Love Cobham's kit. I played an identical set of Fibes drums for a couple years and by far the best tone of any acrylic brand. Zycos and Ludwig suck in comparison. Unfortunately the quality of the recording does not do justice but an amazing video. Piece of history. Thanks Bazonics.
Cobham plays open handed. As far as I know he is right handed but has developed his left to the extent that he rides with it. Similarly Lenny White, Simon Phillips etc.
The sound here is somewhat distorted due to the compression, but when you saw these guys live they were amazing, in their virtuosity and stamina, and the sound was amazing. The times I saw them play their sets lasted over 3 hoursand then they would add an encore [sometimes 2]. The patrons were blown away by them. A shame they were never properly recorded and filmed during their tours, but I don't think they really cared about that. And they came from such disparate backgrounds. Again, amazing.
“When I hear new music coming into my head, its mission is integrated into its notes. It basically tells me how it wants to be.” – John McLaughlin. From Page 1 of the book “Follow Your Heart – John McLaughlin song by song.”
I was reading a recent an article with John and he was saying how disappointed on how Jazz has become so boring in the past few decades and how no one is innovating anymore. I don't know if that is true. I think it is just that the record companies have lost their souls. They are run be people who love money rather then music. People who write interesting music do not get signed and promoted.
In his time he was very innovative. Mahavishnu , Shakti... Very few people have had this type of range. He has gone places that few have revisited or bettered. You also can't forget that he was part of the Miles Davis band that invented fusion.
The sad thing is that there are thousands of talented people doing creative things that you have never heard of. Today's record companies are all not brave enough to sign and promote the people who have the talent and the balls to do it.
Record companies were always interested in volume sales -nothing's changed. Problem is, JM is not that creative anymore, nothing to do with the former.
@DONDIVA1969 was a beast. When Gadd & Vinnie invented new ways of playing in the 70s Cobham kept playing his old techniques & stayed where he was while every other serious pro drummer copied Gadd & Vinnie & advanced to a higher level. I still love Cobham's 70s sound better than Vinnie's but his technique got mastered, improved on & outdated. Vinnie is the head beast now & that's why he plays with McLaughlin & Corea. Vinnie & Chambers. Best Chambers is on Steve Khan Suitcase Live in Koln.
Just amazing...but whoever was the camera director forgot that Jan Hammer and Rick Laird were also on the band...Why is it that the bass player seldom gets on focus? We bass players also like to see a master´s techique, LOL!!! Simply amazing!!!
every single mahavishnu fan should check out the band Ohm. they got Kofi Baker (ginger baker's son) on drums, and chris poland on guitar and rob pagliari on bass . they are mind blowing and definitely have similarities to mahavishnu orchestra
@SirJamestheIII Just went on an excursion to listen to Poland Utube clips. IMO, not at all similar to this. In fact all I heard was just another hyper shredder with little melody and harmonic devlopment. It seems with my limited listening, and in the world of "shredding" (?), Poland could use some Shawn Lane schooling on right-hand technique. Oh well...
@dorian411 IMO Chris has the best string bending out there. I think the parallels between Ohm and Mahavishnu where apparent and obvious. Even if you think he is a shredder, he isn't just another guitarist with chops. It is much easier for me to emulate John's playing buit it is near impossible to sound like Chris. His licks are fresh and unique. Here are some of his solos: /watch?v=EC9m7v_7shM This vid has both his metal and jazz stuff
@dorian411 duuuuude..... how can you be so close-minded. imo john's good at different things and chris at others. I love both of their styles but I actually don't think I can pick one over the other. but still, THEY KICK ASS FOREVER :D
@binnyman Do you work for 7 eleven, with that channel name? L.O.L. There is but one steering wheel here, if you listen carefully. I like your analogy, even though I don't think it is applicable to the mighty Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't want to sound elitist here, but VERY FEW people of todays age, especially, understand the musical relationships and dynamics that are being woven like an ecadorian sweater!!! How's that analogy, eh?
@alwaysopen: If an auto had that many steering wheels, then the journey would be amazing diverse---or maybe not, and the destination would, in its' own right, be the correct one to arrive at. Enjoy all music, I say. Peace:-)
Jesus Christ on electric violin...what's 'fast', what's 'slow'? there's only faster than... or slower than... I disagree about B.B's quote, although he's a great player, all his own; some may say Sco fits in the 'slow' category, compared to ,say, JM or Pat Metheny, but then again try playing some of his lines any faster; one wouldn't either be able to or if they did, it would sound like shit & not swing.
Haha, B.B. King said that quote, a guitarist that has been playing for DECADES and STILL cannot play faster than most guitarists who have been playing 1/10 of the time. He is one of the least diverse musicians I have ever seen, which is just pure laziness considering the time he has had to learn. Slowhands will always argue that speedy playing is boring and lacks emotion, because they can't comprehend it.
@Shakrai Haha that quote was from B.B. King, the guitarist that after DECADES of playing STILL can't play fast. If playing fast were really that simple, why can't he do it? He's had ass loads of time? I love that whole argument about quick playing lacking emotion or being boring, its just made by slowhands who can't appreciate anything they can't comprehend.
BTW, I do like slow playing. Hendrix, Miles Davis, John Scofield and SRV = gods.
@TheLasher500 I saw them both on what must have been the same tour at Kent State. Think it was in the spring of '73. Same thing happened...they didn't jam that night either.
this band was immence.I remember a quote of blue oyster cults drummer when they played the central park dates he thought they were a folk band on the undercard when one nite he made the mistake of checkin them out before they went on his quote the band did not want to go onstage mesmerised.
I'm not going to go back and read this entire argument and try to get thoroughly engaged, but I will say this: it seems that you can create emotion in music by simplicity or complexity. Both have their place in the wide spectrum of music, and it is up for the listener to listen to which moves him or her more.
@Shakrai everyone has their own style. if everyone played simple song structures, music would implode in on itself and become boooorring(not that alot of music today isnt boring enough already). b.b. king is a great musician, but hes not the all encompassing authority on music. no one is really. some of us like 'notey' music because we appreciate the attention to detail. its like admiring a highly complex painting or sculpture. besides, dream theater arent the most notey band in any case
That's a HUGE assumption. What if your hitting all the right notes VERRRY fast? The rare thing about JM.. incredible architect with incredible speed. Many folks think JM's too flashy, neglecting the fact that musical occurrences vary in there nature at different levels of energy much like chemical reactions. For some musicians, playing very fast may be the only way to create the right conditions for tapping into and expressing certain forms that would otherwise never come about.
B.B king.. smooth and mellow.. but as far as his technical ability goes, he would get ass raped by MANY other players like J.M, Paco De, ... many others. His range is relatively narrow, his style very refined.. If you say you like his style above all others, its subjective and i can't argue with you, but if guitar playing was an athletic event, he would get hammered by a lot of folks who are just as artistic.
*Sigh* you miss my point, though it is understandable. Too many notes can destroy the beauty of music, but not in MO's case. BB King, as great as he is, has never captured my attention due to his tone, which I find quite lacking. One must strive to find the balance, and play the notes that are the right ones to play, regardless of the quantity, or lack thereof. MO, IMHO, never "overplay", inspite of the fact that they play copious amounts of notes. Peace:-)
Do you know why people will pay $3 for a bottle of water?
Because they can.
I have been a musician most of my life and have played several genres of music with several different people. This type of disconcerted jamming seems senseless to me at times though I can appreciate what they do at times.
There isn't room in a tune for that many different melodies to conflict with each other for an extended period.
What if your car had a steering wheel for each occupant inside?
@alwaysopen It is absolutely amazing that all of this seeming cacophony is planned. Listen to the original studio recordings and you will see that there is very little jamming going on here. They have reproduced the tune to an amazing degree. Your ignorance betrays you.
well maybe, i have 2 cd's coming out playing MO and miles davis music. one of the cd's has the late buddy miles on drums revisiting the devotion album done with mclaughlin in the early 70's, as well as this song and dance of the maya, and yes with buddy miles on drums. the second cd has music of miles davis when mclauglin was in the band, lenny white on drums kei akagi piano(both ex miles players)using a rex bouge double rainbow, les paul bursts, 68 les paul custom,max les pauls.
I don't think so. there are plenty of badass young (and old) players out there today away from the mainstream scene and the 70s had more than its share of dumb pop as well.
christian mcbride, kurt elling, josh redman, alan baylock, stanton moore, all of the marsalis brothers, charlie hunter, kurt rosenwinkle, roy hargrove, bill stewart, matt garrison, brian blade, nicolas payton, dave fuczinski, terreon gully, hiromi uehara, are all artists that got there careers started in the late 80's onward Not to mention all the amazing older players like herbie hancock, chick corea, and john mclaughlin himself who are still creating new music with new bands.
there are many amazing and innovative musicians and crass, boring pop in every generation. the list above are just the more famous people that I thought of off the top of my head. There are many extremely gifted players who play locally or regionally that never get a taste of the spotlight who are equal or better in skill to the household names.
Well, thanks. I'll check out some of the music you mentioned, and I'll try to keep an open mind.
There's one tip, though, that you and I are thinking about different things, and that's your reference to "skill" and "badass." I'm looking for music that is creative, intense, and fresh, but not necessarily made by technically skilled players showing off their speed, etc. I hope to find the compositional genius, not just the instrumental chops.
now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that skill meant technical skill only. I meant broader musical skill such as phrasing, time, listening ability, and ability to create listenable melodies from complex chord changes. If you want to hear real compositional genius study the works of wayne shorter, horace silver, or frank foster. Hate to break it to you, but there are way better composers than mahavishnu.
Okay, I've been checking out some of these people, and as "good" as they all are, none of them even remotely compares to Mahavishnu, and I don't mean skill-wise. That is not an issue. I was hoping to find the "outside" harmonies, the electricity, the intensity, and the raging improvisation. These people you mentioned are playing along with computer time, or metronomes. Nobody is going outside, taking chances. None that I heard in these samples. Don't get me wrong. These are fine, but...
you can't find outside playing from ANY of those people? sorry, but you need to do some more listening before I can take your opinion seriously. many of those players, particulary branford marsalis and josh redma are well-known for their use of outside soloing and harmonies. as for "no intensity"? You obviously haven't seen many of these people live. hiromi goes batshit crazy with her and christian mcbride, who I have seen many times, always looks like he's run a marathon at the end of his shows
We are now far away from the spirit of my original comment and there is no point in continuing this thread. Thanks anyway for your listening suggestions.
Great feeling each of these musicians must of felt knowing the others were there. I am sure JM felt very driven having BC juggernauting away while the textures and virtuosity of JG and JH swirled about on top of a VERY secure bottom of RL.
there's one element missing in your list...i think Pat Metheny it's a great fusion player...but Corea and Mahavishnu (Mc Laughin) are amazing...both in their style...
This is awesome, what other groups are like these? I know and love Frank Zappa, and Rush, and I wanted to get into more progressive kinda music, so any suggestions?
tony williams lifetime, herbie hancock, weather report, chick corea, stanley clark, jean luc ponty, billy cobham, return to forever, narada michael walden...
you would probably love some of jeffs beck more modern live recordings where hes got a very heavy jazz fusion sound. check out "live at ronnie scotts" or "live at bb kings club"
This ABC In Concert show from 1973 inspired Walter Kolosky in a lifelong devotion to the MO. For anyone interested in a deeper understanding of their music, I highly recommend his book: Power Passion & Beauty
Bazonics, is there any chance of uploading this in HQ now that the option is available? I'm sure many of us would GREATLY appreciate it as this is practically impossible to find anywhere else.
You're kidding right? I was being facetious. Every square inch of the stage is covered with amps! LOL! The band is practically buried under Fenders and Marshalls!
but it was soooo much fun to be completely blasted away by the virtuosity and volume.Hands down, the best concerts I ever went to (well excluding the 1st Shakti group).
Tell ya what, there are plenty of "fast" guitar players out there, from blazing Classico and Flamenco types to Hendrix and Lee, to Satriani to Malmsteen to Petrucci to DiMeola, etc. etc. etc. But in this band JM didn't just play fast guitar, the entire band played, often in unison, at the speed of light. Whoosh!
Hammer was superb on the minimoog...man, those things were hard to articulate with cause the pitch wheel had no center spring, so you had to be delicate with touch
McLaughlin is a god; the other four are demigods. The spirits met in this band form -- or, should I say, their demigod spirits played through their human forms.
A little cheesy, but still not an unrealistic thought :)
They were awesome and simply unthinkably good musicians. This clip is awesome. Their drummer is so crazy lol. The violinist is also awesome, and Mclaughlin is just too 1337. All of them are just too awesome.
Uh, and, you do know that the beggining of You Know You Know was sort of caught in the end of this video, right? The only down side to this is that it's just the beggining caught there xD
saw this concert when I was 14 years old, blew me away and took me from rock to fusion in one song. Never went back to Led Zep/Pink Floyd, etc... MAN, memories !!
LOL, wast just about to comment on that... it is INSANE how fast they are playing that. I can do it at about 3/4 album speed, so my hats off to you, my man!
i saw the same tour at the Felt forum in NYC. There was w hite rose on every seat. Opened up with meeting of the spirits and encore was Dance of Maya. It took me 10 minutes to get out of my seat Wow!!!!!
The Ohio State University...Billy Cobham...drum and bugle corps to the max!!!!!!!!!!!
blzebra66 1 week ago
Love Cobham's kit. I played an identical set of Fibes drums for a couple years and by far the best tone of any acrylic brand. Zycos and Ludwig suck in comparison. Unfortunately the quality of the recording does not do justice but an amazing video. Piece of history. Thanks Bazonics.
ikeeptime 3 weeks ago
isso é, Mahavishnu.
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John McLaughlin - chitarra
Jan Hammer - tastiere
Jerry Goodman - violino
Rick Laird - basso
Billy Cobham - batteria
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GutoSambora 2 months ago
Cobham plays open handed. As far as I know he is right handed but has developed his left to the extent that he rides with it. Similarly Lenny White, Simon Phillips etc.
gregwood88 2 months ago
MARAVILLOSO!!
12345vento 2 months ago
i love that blue violin,
cobham is lefty???
ludwighugo 2 months ago
the best band but cobham is wearing a buckeye t shirt wolverines will forgive
lestergass55 2 months ago
enough to make you cry with the knowledge that no matter how much you practice you will never achieve anything this perfect
jesuscomplex 5 months ago 2
@jesuscomplex
Bullshit, these guys practiced a lot and it paid off, same would happen to anyone.
You just have to practice and have your heart completely into it and it will pay off.
dudeforallseasons 6 days ago
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univibe23 5 months ago
Goodman just absolutely slays.I honestly think this date ranks as one of the great performances in fusion history.
bluesborn 5 months ago 2
The sound here is somewhat distorted due to the compression, but when you saw these guys live they were amazing, in their virtuosity and stamina, and the sound was amazing. The times I saw them play their sets lasted over 3 hoursand then they would add an encore [sometimes 2]. The patrons were blown away by them. A shame they were never properly recorded and filmed during their tours, but I don't think they really cared about that. And they came from such disparate backgrounds. Again, amazing.
jomiqutoall 5 months ago
@jomiqutoall The recording of their 1972 Cleveland Concert is nearly perfect.
dorian411 5 months ago
I LOVE the psycadelic sound the violin gives in this
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“When I hear new music coming into my head, its mission is integrated into its notes. It basically tells me how it wants to be.” – John McLaughlin. From Page 1 of the book “Follow Your Heart – John McLaughlin song by song.”
walterkolosky1 7 months ago
I was reading a recent an article with John and he was saying how disappointed on how Jazz has become so boring in the past few decades and how no one is innovating anymore. I don't know if that is true. I think it is just that the record companies have lost their souls. They are run be people who love money rather then music. People who write interesting music do not get signed and promoted.
sharkb0yJ0hn 7 months ago 2
@sharkb0yJ0hn
I saw that interview too and it is true.
The only problem is that JM is amongst that statistic.
Samsgarden 7 months ago
@Samsgarden
In his time he was very innovative. Mahavishnu , Shakti... Very few people have had this type of range. He has gone places that few have revisited or bettered. You also can't forget that he was part of the Miles Davis band that invented fusion.
The sad thing is that there are thousands of talented people doing creative things that you have never heard of. Today's record companies are all not brave enough to sign and promote the people who have the talent and the balls to do it.
sharkb0yJ0hn 7 months ago
@sharkb0yJ0hn
Record companies were always interested in volume sales -nothing's changed. Problem is, JM is not that creative anymore, nothing to do with the former.
Samsgarden 7 months ago
is that a foot controlled MXR phaser pedal That J Mc is using?
taariqtaariq 9 months ago
Cobham is a beast
DONDIVA1969 1 year ago 9
@DONDIVA1969 a monster, exactly!
judgeofwar 10 months ago
@DONDIVA1969 was a beast. When Gadd & Vinnie invented new ways of playing in the 70s Cobham kept playing his old techniques & stayed where he was while every other serious pro drummer copied Gadd & Vinnie & advanced to a higher level. I still love Cobham's 70s sound better than Vinnie's but his technique got mastered, improved on & outdated. Vinnie is the head beast now & that's why he plays with McLaughlin & Corea. Vinnie & Chambers. Best Chambers is on Steve Khan Suitcase Live in Koln.
metamorphosis67 9 months ago
It's a shame there is such a lack of good live video and audio of this band. I spent an awful lot of time in the 70s listening to them.
cr810j 1 year ago
ha..dig the ohio state shirt
tunabomber 1 year ago
Just amazing...but whoever was the camera director forgot that Jan Hammer and Rick Laird were also on the band...Why is it that the bass player seldom gets on focus? We bass players also like to see a master´s techique, LOL!!! Simply amazing!!!
lalbruiz 1 year ago
Thank God. Finally good quality. Thanks for posting.
onelovega 1 year ago
John is one of the best guitar player every.
StreetSpirit008 1 year ago
Was captivated by John's gifted playing, ever since Tony William's Lifetime.
Even the fact that he reminds me of Stan Laurel, doesn't detract from his brilliance.
Sorry John....and I'm not even from Yorkshire.
peterperry268 1 year ago
Amazing!
Is this from '73?
DrShrinker 1 year ago
Lets see PAGE play a double neck like that.. hehehe
DenPay 1 year ago
Music before it was written by marketing executives and emo teens with no concepts of theory.
earthlyinfodotcom 1 year ago
every single mahavishnu fan should check out the band Ohm. they got Kofi Baker (ginger baker's son) on drums, and chris poland on guitar and rob pagliari on bass . they are mind blowing and definitely have similarities to mahavishnu orchestra
SirJamestheIII 1 year ago
@SirJamestheIII Just went on an excursion to listen to Poland Utube clips. IMO, not at all similar to this. In fact all I heard was just another hyper shredder with little melody and harmonic devlopment. It seems with my limited listening, and in the world of "shredding" (?), Poland could use some Shawn Lane schooling on right-hand technique. Oh well...
dorian411 1 year ago
@dorian411 IMO Chris has the best string bending out there. I think the parallels between Ohm and Mahavishnu where apparent and obvious. Even if you think he is a shredder, he isn't just another guitarist with chops. It is much easier for me to emulate John's playing buit it is near impossible to sound like Chris. His licks are fresh and unique. Here are some of his solos: /watch?v=EC9m7v_7shM This vid has both his metal and jazz stuff
SirJamestheIII 1 year ago
@dorian411 duuuuude..... how can you be so close-minded. imo john's good at different things and chris at others. I love both of their styles but I actually don't think I can pick one over the other. but still, THEY KICK ASS FOREVER :D
alsharpton666 1 year ago
Cobham is God.
Frisbieinstein 1 year ago
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TheArbiter74 1 year ago
@binnyman Do you work for 7 eleven, with that channel name? L.O.L. There is but one steering wheel here, if you listen carefully. I like your analogy, even though I don't think it is applicable to the mighty Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't want to sound elitist here, but VERY FEW people of todays age, especially, understand the musical relationships and dynamics that are being woven like an ecadorian sweater!!! How's that analogy, eh?
TheArbiter74 1 year ago
my god, what energy
dazamaru 1 year ago 2
@alwaysopen: If an auto had that many steering wheels, then the journey would be amazing diverse---or maybe not, and the destination would, in its' own right, be the correct one to arrive at. Enjoy all music, I say. Peace:-)
binnyman 1 year ago
@binnyman
Knowing people, a car with that many steering wheels would end up in the oncoming lane or on it's roof in a ditch.
alwaysopen 1 year ago
@chrisdgoldie: My original point exactly. Peace:-)
binnyman 1 year ago
long live billy cobham
bentegrity 1 year ago
Jesus Christ on electric violin...what's 'fast', what's 'slow'? there's only faster than... or slower than... I disagree about B.B's quote, although he's a great player, all his own; some may say Sco fits in the 'slow' category, compared to ,say, JM or Pat Metheny, but then again try playing some of his lines any faster; one wouldn't either be able to or if they did, it would sound like shit & not swing.
egyptianminor 1 year ago
@Shakrai Dream theater is amazing.
Now that I've got that out of the way, Mahavishnu is also amazing.
Now that I've got that out of the way, let the argument stop.
TtAbrams 1 year ago
Man, this camera crew has no freakin' idea who to shoot man! They're always pointing at the wrong person when somebody's taking a solo!!
pageshadow 1 year ago
@pageshadow I think they were high brah! :)
wilsonville1234 1 year ago
Haha, B.B. King said that quote, a guitarist that has been playing for DECADES and STILL cannot play faster than most guitarists who have been playing 1/10 of the time. He is one of the least diverse musicians I have ever seen, which is just pure laziness considering the time he has had to learn. Slowhands will always argue that speedy playing is boring and lacks emotion, because they can't comprehend it.
goldenchopsticks 1 year ago
@Shakrai Haha that quote was from B.B. King, the guitarist that after DECADES of playing STILL can't play fast. If playing fast were really that simple, why can't he do it? He's had ass loads of time? I love that whole argument about quick playing lacking emotion or being boring, its just made by slowhands who can't appreciate anything they can't comprehend.
BTW, I do like slow playing. Hendrix, Miles Davis, John Scofield and SRV = gods.
goldenchopsticks 1 year ago
is this from a dvd? gotta own this!!!!!!!!!
urckrecords 1 year ago
You can still get high quality guys.
add &fmt=18 to the end of the link for the full-res version.
peace.
ShoeStare 1 year ago
cobham is god.
TheLiesette 1 year ago
Billy Cobham... The Best Who Ever Throned A Set of Drums
JazzZappa59 2 years ago 4
just think what would have happened if the Mahavishnu Orchestra jammed with Frank Zappa...
Dilliboy63 2 years ago
Well Jean Luc Ponty played with both of them so if they did play together I'm sure JLP would be invited.
MitchTenderness 2 years ago
I saw Frank Zappa and the Mahavishnu Orchestra on the same night at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto. Early 70s. And no, they didn't jam. Too bad.
TheLasher500 2 years ago
I saw both on the same tour in Philadelphia. Doesn't get much better than that.
finylvinyl66 1 year ago
@TheLasher500 I saw them both on what must have been the same tour at Kent State. Think it was in the spring of '73. Same thing happened...they didn't jam that night either.
theotherguy123 1 year ago
this band was immence.I remember a quote of blue oyster cults drummer when they played the central park dates he thought they were a folk band on the undercard when one nite he made the mistake of checkin them out before they went on his quote the band did not want to go onstage mesmerised.
temulterousbazoon 2 years ago
I'm not going to go back and read this entire argument and try to get thoroughly engaged, but I will say this: it seems that you can create emotion in music by simplicity or complexity. Both have their place in the wide spectrum of music, and it is up for the listener to listen to which moves him or her more.
(This bickering is pointless.)
chrisdgoldie 2 years ago 62
Exactly.
DrBPhD 2 years ago
@chrisdgoldie Well said {:>
Peacenrespect 1 year ago
@chrisdgoldie
Good point. I enjoy Mahavishnu some days and other days I enjoy Bauhaus. Depends on the mood.
larkydozer 1 year ago
@chrisdgoldie
That's some of the best statements ever made about the magic of music. :)
Cause you cannot otherwise explain why would you get goosebumps or start tearing in your eyes by listening to a jazz fusion guitar solo.
1S1o1m1e1O1n1e 1 year ago
@Shakrai everyone has their own style. if everyone played simple song structures, music would implode in on itself and become boooorring(not that alot of music today isnt boring enough already). b.b. king is a great musician, but hes not the all encompassing authority on music. no one is really. some of us like 'notey' music because we appreciate the attention to detail. its like admiring a highly complex painting or sculpture. besides, dream theater arent the most notey band in any case
matternicuss 2 years ago
That's a HUGE assumption. What if your hitting all the right notes VERRRY fast? The rare thing about JM.. incredible architect with incredible speed. Many folks think JM's too flashy, neglecting the fact that musical occurrences vary in there nature at different levels of energy much like chemical reactions. For some musicians, playing very fast may be the only way to create the right conditions for tapping into and expressing certain forms that would otherwise never come about.
ybyainc 2 years ago 2
well, B.B. King might have said what he said but these guys are hittin the right notes....fast!
theman2890 2 years ago
B.B. King is GOD
Pancakes8909 2 years ago
B.B king.. smooth and mellow.. but as far as his technical ability goes, he would get ass raped by MANY other players like J.M, Paco De, ... many others. His range is relatively narrow, his style very refined.. If you say you like his style above all others, its subjective and i can't argue with you, but if guitar playing was an athletic event, he would get hammered by a lot of folks who are just as artistic.
ybyainc 2 years ago
What concert is this? Where can I find a recording or download of it?
Skeeterhaxxorz 2 years ago
@Shakrai
See the movie "Amadeus" and get back to us. B.B. King is not all-knowing.
rosskolnikov 2 years ago
@rosskolnikov
I saw this and have to ask - "Why, what light will that flick shine upon the topic?"
Mozart was light years ahead of any other composer to date. You can't compare anything he did to what would be considered dregs.
alwaysopen 1 year ago
@alwaysopen The Dixie Dregs were wonderful, too.
rosskolnikov 1 year ago
@rosskolnikov
meh...
Deep Purple used to be a real band.
alwaysopen 1 year ago
*Sigh* you miss my point, though it is understandable. Too many notes can destroy the beauty of music, but not in MO's case. BB King, as great as he is, has never captured my attention due to his tone, which I find quite lacking. One must strive to find the balance, and play the notes that are the right ones to play, regardless of the quantity, or lack thereof. MO, IMHO, never "overplay", inspite of the fact that they play copious amounts of notes. Peace:-)
binnyman 2 years ago
I played this for a friend once, so long ago. And he asked me: "Why do they play so many notes, and so fast?"
There was a brief pause before I replied: "Because they can".
Thank you, God, for giving me the ability to appreciate greatness like this, and for allowing me to be alive to enjoy it !!! :-) Peace
binnyman 2 years ago 4
@binnyman
Do you know why people will pay $3 for a bottle of water?
Because they can.
I have been a musician most of my life and have played several genres of music with several different people. This type of disconcerted jamming seems senseless to me at times though I can appreciate what they do at times.
There isn't room in a tune for that many different melodies to conflict with each other for an extended period.
What if your car had a steering wheel for each occupant inside?
alwaysopen 1 year ago
@alwaysopen Ummmm.... i think you just don't like it?
ybyainc 1 year ago
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alwaysopen 1 year ago
@alwaysopen It is absolutely amazing that all of this seeming cacophony is planned. Listen to the original studio recordings and you will see that there is very little jamming going on here. They have reproduced the tune to an amazing degree. Your ignorance betrays you.
TheBigdaddysun 1 year ago
WOW..INCREDIBLE..!!
Hey Bazonics.. Thanks..!!
Try to remix this and upload it again to utube..??
Boost the entire audio..
mrprogjazzgto 2 years ago
Cobham and his machine gun rolls are his signature style no other drummer does.
rann1968 2 years ago
Spot the weak band member??
Trick question- there isn't one.
Awesome.
ritter1808 2 years ago 3
1:15 just made me shit my pants
that riff is fucking incredibal
japanisefishmarket 2 years ago 2
hellz yea...that riff tops the song off
mario21128 2 years ago
0:33 is just classic.
guitardude1230 2 years ago
bilLAY!
Lucretius58 2 years ago 3
nothing will ever come close to this.
osumb17 2 years ago 17
well maybe, i have 2 cd's coming out playing MO and miles davis music. one of the cd's has the late buddy miles on drums revisiting the devotion album done with mclaughlin in the early 70's, as well as this song and dance of the maya, and yes with buddy miles on drums. the second cd has music of miles davis when mclauglin was in the band, lenny white on drums kei akagi piano(both ex miles players)using a rex bouge double rainbow, les paul bursts, 68 les paul custom,max les pauls.
sidhrtha 2 years ago
@osumb17 (sorry im french)
everyday, we just have to cry, when we heard all shity-commercial-non sense "music"
hopefully, Mahavishnu was, and will be a way of free mind music!
so much emotion in this...unbelievable!
they totally change many visions in my life, applause them!
judgeofwar 1 year ago
There is another super group in this kind of music nowadays.... check out
Screaming Headless Torsos....beyond believe!!
Funkover1 2 years ago
Somebody please tell me: what happened to this kind of music and this kind of musician? It's all gone, a thing of the past. Why?
Zeugitai 2 years ago
a collective lack of attention span
funkbeastbasslover 2 years ago
I don't think so. there are plenty of badass young (and old) players out there today away from the mainstream scene and the 70s had more than its share of dumb pop as well.
landononthemoon 2 years ago
Please name some of the recently made music that you are referring to that compares to Mahavishnu.
Thanks..
Zeugitai 2 years ago
christian mcbride, kurt elling, josh redman, alan baylock, stanton moore, all of the marsalis brothers, charlie hunter, kurt rosenwinkle, roy hargrove, bill stewart, matt garrison, brian blade, nicolas payton, dave fuczinski, terreon gully, hiromi uehara, are all artists that got there careers started in the late 80's onward Not to mention all the amazing older players like herbie hancock, chick corea, and john mclaughlin himself who are still creating new music with new bands.
landononthemoon 2 years ago
there are many amazing and innovative musicians and crass, boring pop in every generation. the list above are just the more famous people that I thought of off the top of my head. There are many extremely gifted players who play locally or regionally that never get a taste of the spotlight who are equal or better in skill to the household names.
landononthemoon 2 years ago
and russell gunn too. I almost forgot him but he's just too badass to leave out
landononthemoon 2 years ago
Well, thanks. I'll check out some of the music you mentioned, and I'll try to keep an open mind.
There's one tip, though, that you and I are thinking about different things, and that's your reference to "skill" and "badass." I'm looking for music that is creative, intense, and fresh, but not necessarily made by technically skilled players showing off their speed, etc. I hope to find the compositional genius, not just the instrumental chops.
Thanks, again.
Zeugitai 2 years ago
now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that skill meant technical skill only. I meant broader musical skill such as phrasing, time, listening ability, and ability to create listenable melodies from complex chord changes. If you want to hear real compositional genius study the works of wayne shorter, horace silver, or frank foster. Hate to break it to you, but there are way better composers than mahavishnu.
landononthemoon 2 years ago
Okay, I've been checking out some of these people, and as "good" as they all are, none of them even remotely compares to Mahavishnu, and I don't mean skill-wise. That is not an issue. I was hoping to find the "outside" harmonies, the electricity, the intensity, and the raging improvisation. These people you mentioned are playing along with computer time, or metronomes. Nobody is going outside, taking chances. None that I heard in these samples. Don't get me wrong. These are fine, but...
Zeugitai 2 years ago
you can't find outside playing from ANY of those people? sorry, but you need to do some more listening before I can take your opinion seriously. many of those players, particulary branford marsalis and josh redma are well-known for their use of outside soloing and harmonies. as for "no intensity"? You obviously haven't seen many of these people live. hiromi goes batshit crazy with her and christian mcbride, who I have seen many times, always looks like he's run a marathon at the end of his shows
landononthemoon 2 years ago
We are now far away from the spirit of my original comment and there is no point in continuing this thread. Thanks anyway for your listening suggestions.
Zeugitai 2 years ago
do u like peter hammill?
vtripaldi 2 years ago
Rick sounds awesome on this version..
MattTheFunkyOne 2 years ago
dude upload as HQ!
IpkisStanley 2 years ago
Respect for bazonics,thanks for this masterpiece!
Hasjiesman 2 years ago
Great feeling each of these musicians must of felt knowing the others were there. I am sure JM felt very driven having BC juggernauting away while the textures and virtuosity of JG and JH swirled about on top of a VERY secure bottom of RL.
dorian411 2 years ago
definately overdid the acronyms man
LTdrumma 2 years ago
FIRE BURNING WHITE....
firstbooob 2 years ago
The best fusion band ever-along with chick corea. Great concerts!
anarchistnow 2 years ago
My feelings EXACTLY! Corea is the man and so are Mahavishnu. Long live the kings of fusion.
guitardude1230 2 years ago
try listening "Watercolors" record by pat Metheny, 1977...you will find the other part of this funny colors world
Psycopatologic 2 years ago
there's one element missing in your list...i think Pat Metheny it's a great fusion player...but Corea and Mahavishnu (Mc Laughin) are amazing...both in their style...
Psycopatologic 2 years ago
i'm going to pick up the skin flute.
johnbourbon 2 years ago 5
Blow me away.
HighZombiesRule 2 years ago
Have you become a virtuoso of the skin flute yet? Though it's been a month since you made this comment. :D LMAO!!
Aanalleinoneman 2 years ago
still practicing...and practicing...and practicing...
johnbourbon 2 years ago
ROFL.
Aanalleinoneman 2 years ago
Make sure you clean the pipe!
Man. :s
This is awesome, what other groups are like these? I know and love Frank Zappa, and Rush, and I wanted to get into more progressive kinda music, so any suggestions?
HighZombiesRule 2 years ago
tony williams lifetime, herbie hancock, weather report, chick corea, stanley clark, jean luc ponty, billy cobham, return to forever, narada michael walden...
johnbourbon 2 years ago 2
you certainly choose the best
grabngonuts 2 years ago
well, theyre the most popular anyway :)
johnbourbon 2 years ago
Thank you.
HighZombiesRule 2 years ago
at a glance i thought "narada" was "nirvana" thought NOOOOOOO and my mouth dropped in confusion...
ThreeLeggedMongoose 2 years ago
you would probably love some of jeffs beck more modern live recordings where hes got a very heavy jazz fusion sound. check out "live at ronnie scotts" or "live at bb kings club"
ThreeLeggedMongoose 2 years ago
I did like Truth by JB. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out.
HighZombiesRule 2 years ago
Jan Hammer has inspired me to pick up the synth.
hydralisk125 2 years ago 2
its official, im quitting guitar and picking up my drum sticks.
PornoPlaylist 2 years ago
play both?
nerdyharry 2 years ago 2
will do. I just need to become fluent in one before i begin the other.
PornoPlaylist 2 years ago
go Billy go!!!!
prinznevsky 2 years ago 3
This ABC In Concert show from 1973 inspired Walter Kolosky in a lifelong devotion to the MO. For anyone interested in a deeper understanding of their music, I highly recommend his book: Power Passion & Beauty
NickDuvet 2 years ago
Bazonics, is there any chance of uploading this in HQ now that the option is available? I'm sure many of us would GREATLY appreciate it as this is practically impossible to find anywhere else.
Thank you
abrelosojos18 2 years ago
I saw this line up in Birmingham (UK) c.1974 - best live music I've ever heard.
gefriolsaeme 2 years ago
JEEZUS SO FUNKY HELL YEAH!
ThatWillKid 2 years ago
Whoo!
benchwarmer969 2 years ago
LOL! Looks like they don't have enough amps on stage!
osensei2987 2 years ago
If you have this much talent you don't need to play loud!!!!!
gefriolsaeme 2 years ago 2
You're kidding right? I was being facetious. Every square inch of the stage is covered with amps! LOL! The band is practically buried under Fenders and Marshalls!
osensei2987 2 years ago 2
but it was soooo much fun to be completely blasted away by the virtuosity and volume.Hands down, the best concerts I ever went to (well excluding the 1st Shakti group).
dorian411 2 years ago
Tell ya what, there are plenty of "fast" guitar players out there, from blazing Classico and Flamenco types to Hendrix and Lee, to Satriani to Malmsteen to Petrucci to DiMeola, etc. etc. etc. But in this band JM didn't just play fast guitar, the entire band played, often in unison, at the speed of light. Whoosh!
ebquinn 2 years ago 2
holy crap
chrook 2 years ago
god on drums nuff said
temulterousbazoon 3 years ago
Better than Shrooms!.... I think I got a contact buzz by just watching....Thanks for posting.
sinbadthekat 3 years ago 2
yeah music is the best esp. complicated jazz solos....they make your brain do crazy stuff!
blawpierce 2 years ago
godfathers of fusion hare hare
1dudeman2 3 years ago 3
haha billy cobham fuck yes
analbleediscool 3 years ago 2
Hammer was superb on the minimoog...man, those things were hard to articulate with cause the pitch wheel had no center spring, so you had to be delicate with touch
armalyte 3 years ago
if they were REAL musicians they woulda sampled somebody else ......LOL
these are the guys who did "this is why i'm hot" ?? LOL ... i slay me
chucknorrisyouwimps 3 years ago
McLaughlin is a god; the other four are demigods. The spirits met in this band form -- or, should I say, their demigod spirits played through their human forms.
A little cheesy, but still not an unrealistic thought :)
SonOfYoungwood 3 years ago 2
Mahavishnu Orchestra is just too awesome.
They were awesome and simply unthinkably good musicians. This clip is awesome. Their drummer is so crazy lol. The violinist is also awesome, and Mclaughlin is just too 1337. All of them are just too awesome.
Uh, and, you do know that the beggining of You Know You Know was sort of caught in the end of this video, right? The only down side to this is that it's just the beggining caught there xD
Gretgor666 3 years ago
this vid is waaaay better quallity then the rest of this concert.
icirum 3 years ago
saw this concert when I was 14 years old, blew me away and took me from rock to fusion in one song. Never went back to Led Zep/Pink Floyd, etc... MAN, memories !!
jaimesuarezs 3 years ago 2
oh god i learned that riff at 1:26 and can barely play it at the album speed but that last part is so fast here!
noonward 4 years ago
LOL, wast just about to comment on that... it is INSANE how fast they are playing that. I can do it at about 3/4 album speed, so my hats off to you, my man!
Wamz1978 3 years ago
great video quality
trimags 4 years ago
Good LORD, what is up with the tempo here? They are absolutely blazing through the song.
dccnyc 4 years ago
never give john espresso right b4 the gig .....
chucknorrisyouwimps 3 years ago
always give him acid!
grimreepher 3 years ago 4
wow, this is excellent. so sharp and clear and the sound is so good. anymore from this concert?
thanks.
IShootPpl4funNmoney 4 years ago
First concert I saw as a teen was MO and Frank Zappa in Toronto. I think MO opened.
Blew the top of my head clean off.
ritter1808 4 years ago 3
must have shit
trimags 4 years ago
yea, soooloud too. I got to see MO with The Section opening at the Santa Monica Civic.
So loud it pressed you back it your seat. No theatrics just insane music. Buckethead rules too!!!
1solidrider 4 years ago
Wonderful. I saw MO live at the Johns Hopkins Univ.
during the "Birds of Fire" tour, they were astounding.
I am 52 now and have seen hundreds of live performances. This might have been the very best.
Oh, Gentle Giant opened...that's really for the old folks. The bassist, Ralph Armstrong, was 17 yrs old.
John remembered Miles changing his diapers. I suspect
and extended his wing.
filmboikev 4 years ago 2
oh snap gentle giant!!! im freakin jealous.
chevpowr 4 years ago
i saw the same tour at the Felt forum in NYC. There was w hite rose on every seat. Opened up with meeting of the spirits and encore was Dance of Maya. It took me 10 minutes to get out of my seat Wow!!!!!
oregonbobv 4 years ago