Re: Re: Veganism - Is Not Natural And Not Healthy -Intro

[kuwaizair]

ah. yeh. that is why Eskimos don't live to 120 like people elsewhere?

[thestreetsempty]

Are you an omnivore promoting a plant-based diet? Awesome! That is objective and honest. I dig. Everyone should be vegan... this planet is literally crumbling while we kill more and more animals and hoard food from starving people. Not cool. :(

[PureBrutalSickness]

excess testosterone and HGH sound good to me xD thankfully i take anti estrogen herbs soo im good to go and eat meat

[neosurrealist]

@PureBrutalSickness Anti estrogen herbs? Sounds like nonsense. Your body has to naturally remove the estrogen and keep homeostasis.

[PureBrutalSickness]

@neosurrealist well not anti more like it balance the hormones in my body.. herbs and minerals..

[tropical481]

LARGE COLONS! TEHEHEHEHE

[lastplacewin]

Strict vegetarian here. The only thing about my diet that isn't vegan is the clothing, but most of my toiletries are vegan.

We are so lucky to be gifted with this human mind and intelligence. Therefore, we must stop eating meat. It's the only sensible/ethical/compassionate choice we have.

[healthfreak18]

Yeah I had a hamburger that had "No added hormones" one morning with cheese for breakfast. I thought I was doing my body good because it a lot of "Protein." A couple of hours later I was extremely depressed. Until I broke down and ate a non-organic salad out of my fridge and felt a million times better. Raw food heals :-) Good video.

[DoesNotApply]

This guy is a joke. BIG LOL @ Hormone absorption through the large intestine. That one really made me laugh.

[linzymack]

thats assuming a vegan doesnt get fiber and doesnt chew well. nice defense. leave vegans and vegetarians alone please? what do you care, more meat for you! whats next, being gay is unhealthy?

[specialchannel]

man thats scary

[MonkeyRenchGang]

duh you are clue less...

I will comment on hormones even though I have no clue..

The FDA approves of a half dozen hormones for farm animals....

[xodiachild]

lmao flawless bodie....you better be hot because your English grammar sucks.

[mirada89]

Yes, I have a Flawless bodie and awesome skin. That's because I'm a vegan, but you... Your hair is nasty and your skin looks like shit, so face it, vegans and vegetarians are healthier. Marcus Schenkenberg, Sophie Monk, Petra Nemcova, Ezequiel Ferrari, Christy Turlington. Patrick Ribbsaetter, Nicole Newman, Evandro Soldati, Johana Krupa and there are so many more vegetarians or vegans beauties... just take a look at them and you'll see the diference between them and the meat eaters like you.

[resentfulremark]

Who were you talking to?

[Zepher130]

Yea who are you talking to?

[tselegala]

*sigh* i have a flawless body and awesome skin...rofl

So do i and thats because i never eat vegetables, i'm the anti-vegan!! BTw the people you mentioned look sick and weak. You might want to rethink you're role models.

[mirada89]

Yeah right haha. You probaly have a good body, but I bet in the future you'll feel the cardiovascular diseases meat gives you, so... BTW. The people I mentioned look FLAWLESS, they have the greatest bodies. If they look sick, I want to be sick like them too.

PS: Sorry for my grammar, my english sucks.

[tselegala]

cholesterol causes heart problems not just eating meat. If you eat tons of bacon and do no nothing to counteract the cholesterol then yes you are looking for trouble. But otherwise it's not an issue. I DO eat vegetables i was just kidding, but i have issues with self righteous people that condemn those who do not share their beliefs. This vegan thing is not just a diet. it's fueled by emotion and arrogance. It reminds me of creationism and Scientology.

[tselegala]

and by the way, I personally dont think fashion models are reference for good health. They have no muscle and look fragile. An athletic looking woman is far more attractive. Oh yeah and Eskimos practically only eat seal and fish meat and they have better health than us so...

[neosurrealist]

What would inuit eat as vegetables? I know fireweed and berries are consumed. But can northern aboriginal groups plant crops? They don't really have much choice in diet.

[tselegala]

They don't have much choice indeed but my point was that they eat alot of meat and don't have many of the health problems that we have. I think we are meant to be omnivorous. We dont have many physical properties of the carnivores but nor do we have many herbivore properties. Like multiple stomachs and the ability to digest cellulose etc. Therefore the vegan claim that we are only herbivores is not true.

[neosurrealist]

Whatever we were "meant to be" implies we are in some way fulfilling some predetermined destiny. Speculating what we are "meant to be" just seems like an argument of faith. I will pass on that one.

Nobody knows what the human digestive system should be used for, but we do know that our ability to adapt our diet has kept us alive long enough to reproduce in many different climates and environments.

[tselegala]

i cant see where i wrote ''meant to be''...but anyways.

''Nobody knows what the human digestive system should be used for'' contradicts the Vegan belief that we should be vegetarians.

[neosurrealist]

"I think we are meant to be omnivorous."

Yeah, I don't blindly advocate any diet. Vegan belief is belief.

I think there are many health benefits from strict vegetarian diets, but I also know there is plenty of flexibility in the human diet. You can survive long enough to reproduce eating nothing but white bread. Will you live much longer than reproducing age? (12years)

 I see vegetarianism as understanding how nutrition affects the body rather than a relapse to primal diet.

Moving forward.

[rosepetal108]

@neosurrealist ====> "Yeah, I don't blindly advocate any diet. Vegan belief is belief."

I am glad you said that. Most Vegans I have spoken to in the past are not honest enough to admit Veganism is a :belief system (religion). Then at the exact same time out of the other side of their mouth say that Veganism is the only ethical or moral way to go. Obviously both those are incompatible. You have decided to be honest and I commend that. However, the Vegan diet is not the best diet.

[Mupyeong]

@mirada89 And lots of 'omnivorous' beauties and vegan/vegetarian people who look bad. Please take in consideration that all the people you named there are in some way prominent and thus have at least one stylist or pictures altered by a team of computer artists.

[verranxcore]

VEGAN TILL I DIE! LOLZ.

get dead.

[SisterSunnshine]

great video! I thought "organic meat" was a-ok at one time... now I'm a vegan... thanks for posting this video ;)

[SXtract]

Correction - meat never even gets to the colon when consumed without fiber, it is completely digested and just excess minerals, bile salts etc. get into the colon. Fiber takes part of the food into the colon where it can "rot" and also scars the walls of small intestine. Also high protein intake is not the same as high meat intake. Osteoporosis, calcium loss, acidic pH etc. have only been observed when the subjects consumed pure protein isolates but consuming just meat didn't do anythin bad.

[VecoED]

your sounding like your promoting vegetarianism, but don't worry, I saw what you really meant, its ok, basically, don't eat a stupid amount of one thing, stick to the recommended daily allowance of everything. otherwise most of the world would be ill wouldn't they! so eating meat, and even altered foods are absolutely fine in a balanced diet.

[neosurrealist]

@VecoED Actually, I am somewhat promoting a vegetarian diet. It's not a choice of morals or dedication for me. More, what is good for us as individuals, nations, and planet.

It doesn't make sense to me that our diet is so far removed from a primate diets which are almost completely vegetarian. Meat is economically inefficient and has some major health issues associated with it.

I just want people to eat responsibly. Breaking the "we need meat" paradigm would do this planet good..

[Mupyeong]

@neosurrealist We need meat. Oh wait, explanation : We as organisms digest it far better than plants, some of the things in meat can't be found in plants, we need meat to stay healthy (and grow up). If you want to eat responsible, hunt your own meat and eat everything and grow your own crops and eat everything you can of that. That would make for a well balanced diet that harms the environment to a minimum. Oh wait, that was a few thousand years ago!

[bonejeenyus]

its funny that u bring up estrogen. do u eat soy? it has been proven to create a lot more hormonal problems than meat

[PwnBucket]

Site some sources.

[bonejeenyus]

have u ever heard of a steer?

[shutupfool6969]

trim those sideburns hippie

[shutupfool6969]

Similarly, the long-held concern that it could worsen hepatic encephalopathy (brain disease due to malfunction of the liver) appears to be unfounded.

You should build your diet around your physical demands. I am an amatuer lightweight bodybuilder. My diet is high in protein, higher in fat than most, good fats and saturated fats, and moderate to low in CHO's. I get plenty of fibre, tons of veggies and moderate amounts of fruit sugar.

I'm healthy, and you are not a doctor.

[shutupfool6969]

Hey hippie...You realize what you said about a high protein diet and renal and hepatic health is not proven. Here is what the medical establishment thinks. Relatively little evidence has been gathered regarding the effect of protein on the development of chronic diseases.[1] While there was initial suspicion that high-protein diets increased the risk for renal failure, studies have shown that kidney problems occur only in people with pre-existing kidney disease (cont'd)

[mirada89]

I'm sorry, but since I'm a VEGAN, my hair looks Brilliant, my Skin looks Radiant and my Body Looks FLAWLESS!!!!... So... GO VEG, you won't die because of it.. lol

GO VEG!

[fitchburgslut]

oh yeah? lets see it! flawless body? raidiant hair? i doubt it

[NinjaGhostScorpion]

@mirada89 You didn't say, "please." In addition, I'm notoriously bad at taking orders that involve life-changing decisions.

[Wtfgrape]

Bookmarking both of your videos. Very, very nicely done!!

[crisology]

You left out cancer as a risk factor for concentrated protein sources (especially meat) but then again, we know those who ingest meat/cow secretions aren't doing it for health..

[docsrocks]

Another sourcesless comment from mythology.

[crisology]

"The protein intake exhibiting a correlation with cancer risk was reported to range from that which meet body maintenance requirements (~5% dietary protein) to that which approximates a doubling of growth and maintenance requirements (~20-25% dietary protein.

Dietary Protein Level and Aflatoxin B1 --Induced Preneoplastic Hepatic Lesions in the Rat, Dunaif & Campbell Field of Environmental Toxicology and Division of Nutritional Sciences, Cornell University.

[docsrocks]

Please use references next time. You cannot have 25 pounds of undigested meat in your digestive system, much less just in your colon. Not all organic meat has hormones in it. It's not hard to find it without any chemicals. And then we come to wildgame. Which is ideal for human consumption. But, please, prove me wrong.

[generatrix999]

You cannot have 25 pounds of undigested meat in your digestive system---- Yes you can asshole. Do some research you quack, better yet, get some colonics and see for yourself.

Meat has no fiber.

[docsrocks]

Done it. Done human dissections as well. Those claims are only found in the annals of PETA and nutritional supplement companies info. In other words, it's an urban myth. Meat has no fiber, so? As an omnivore I can eat exactly what you do and add a piece of meat, egg or whatever and still get my 30 grams of fiber at the end of the day. It takes 4-6 hours to diegest meat. That's the truth. That's what medical texts have and no reputable info counters it. You need to quit the wine enemas

[crisology]

quacksrocks has a recipe for kidney stones "As an omnivore" a rat? "I can eat exactly what you do and add a piece of meat" This explain obesity rates. Eating everything needed + extra meat contributes to extra disease. "egg or whatever" Whatever is exactly what u get..

"It takes 4-6 hours to diegest meat" Digestion doesn't end until total transit ends. This takes up to 4 days or more w/meat. Extended exposure of toxins in rotting meat to mucousal lining of intestines increases cancer risk.

[fitchburgslut]

4 days or more?? where the hell do you get this nonsense??? 25 lbs in your colon? look maybe this is true for someone who is EXTREMLEY obese and unhelathy,(think fat elvis) but for normal people this is so not true

[crisology]

"fecal volume 80-120 grams/day of Western Man and prolonged intestinal transit time of over 72 hours compared to the 300-500 grams/day fecal volume & <40 hours transit time of the Third World countries, is obviously diet/fiber related. Increased intestinal retention of the waste products of putrefaction, from meats and animal fats, w/prolonged exposure of intestinal mucosa to their toxins & carcinogens is responsible for the emergence & prevalence of many disease states. JAMA. 229:1068, 1974

[crisology]

"CONCLUSION: The CTT in healthy patients is in a 100% of the cases studied lower or equal to 72 hrs. Rev Gastroenterol Mex. 2006 Jul-Sep;71(3):410; author reply 410."

"Slowness was defined as more than 45 h for the total CTT"

Functional constipation may be associated with a normal CTT. Disorders of colonic motility and of rectal evacuation could be distinguished by measuring the total and the segmental colonic transit times. Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd. 1998 Feb 14;142(7):357-61.

Please refute.

[MisterNutrition]

whya re you comparing american diet and third world? this sounds like the china study, comparing things that can not be and with no controls. the fact is that meat is digeted more easliy than veg, stop spouting cultist nonsense. just a little research will reveal the truth

[crisology]

"fecal volume 80-120 grams/day of Western Man and prolonged intestinal transit time of over 72 hours compared to the 300-500 grams/day fecal volume & <40 hours transit time of the Third World countries, is obviously diet/fiber related. Increased intestinal retention of the waste products of putrefaction, from meats and animal fats, w/prolonged exposure of intestinal mucosa to their toxins & carcinogens is responsible for the emergence & prevalence of many disease states. JAMA. 229:1068, 1974

[crisology]

Chronic constipation is a widespread disease affecting up to 25 % of the population in western countries. Patients with normal transit may benefit from lifestyle measures including dietetic advice. Patients with slow-transit constipation (transit-time over 72 hours) are dependent on osmotic (polyethylene glycol solutions, Grade A) and stimulant laxatives (bisacodyl" Internist (Berl). 2005 Dec;46(12):1331-8.

[crisology]

The upper limit of normal total colonic transit time (CTT) was 62 h. J Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2004 Nov;19(11):1270-5. Of course Chinese eat far less meat...

"In this report, a patient without digestive tract disease is described, who experienced complete remission of rosacea symptoms following ingestion of a material intended to sweep through the digestive tract and reduce transit time below 30 h" Clin Exp Dermatol. 2004 May;29(3):297-9.

[crisology]

The defaecation pattern and intestinal transit time of 410 apparently healthy children.. majority of children ate a predominantly high residue diet.. 95% of the children opening their bowels one to three times a day. There was a gradual decline in mean stool frequency w/increasing age. The stool produced was usually soft and between 50 & 75 ml in size. Mean mouth to anus transit time in 98 randomly selected children from the study group was 18.3 hours. Afr J Med Med Sci. 1995 Dec;24(4):337-41.

[crisology]

While you sit on your hands and demand references from everyone, u (of course) provide none to support your inherited diet, much less to refute facts regarding diet of healthy people.

[docsrocks]

That's what I love about you mythology. Total and complete denial. I've posted more references, and properly, in one day than you have your entire life on youtube. I stopped bothering with you since one can't argue with a fool. And you taking the vegan side while professing fruitarianism is even more comical.

[hgsquid]

I do not have a problem with your content, but please cut down on the "um, and uh, um"

[neosurrealist]

Hey, here's an um idea.

You post a video without speech tags where you talk for four and a half minutes.

But, um, I'm really sorry to hear that the way that I talk bothers you.

[mandie26]

If evidence proves us wrong then why do vegans and vegetarians have a lower risk of heart disease, obesity and lower cholesterol?

Hmmm..

No, then again, Maybe we are wrong.

I mean all that information is just blindly leading us along, right?

Go eat a big mac, you fucking tool.

[docsrocks]

They have a lower risk of heart disease than those with a 'Typical Western Diet'. That would be fast food. Atkins' Diet has been proven to be a great diet for lowering heart disease as well. As good as the Ornish diet. Anyone who lowers blood sugar and transfats will have a vast lowering of heart disease risk. High blood sugar and certain fats in combination are the real dietary risks in heart disease and obesity.

[crisology]

Study Links High-Protein Diet To Cancer

December 7, 2006

Researchers studying links between diet and cancer say consumption of large amounts of protein may increase the risk of developing the disease.

If a person consumes over 15% protein in his diet (beef typically has 26% protein -- the rest is fat -- and chicken has 61% protein -- the rest is fat), then the body must get rid of that protein.

Dr. Leslie Van Romer

[docsrocks]

What study? What Journal? What Page? This is about as vague as usual. It's someone's opinion.

[crisology]

"epidemiologic, experimental, and animal studies indicate that diet plays an important role in the etiology of gastric cancer. High intake of fresh fruits and vegetables, lycopene and lycopene-containing food products, and potentially vitamin C and selenium may reduce the risk for gastric cancer. Data suggest that nitrosamines, processed meat products, salt and salted foods, and overweight and obesity are associated with increased risk for gastric cancer. Nutr Rev. 2008 May;66(5):237-49.

[docsrocks]

Hmm, that's not the one you posted before. And.....this means...eat fruit. Not 'eat only fruit'. It also picks on the white bread equivalent of meat. So....big deal.

[fitchburgslut]

so in all of this all i see about meat is "processed meat" that is things like hot dogs and ground beef, still not showing any evidence of meat being bad

[crisology]

"Several biological mechanisms may explain the positive association between red meat intake and hormone receptor-positive breast cancer risk". Known cancer-causing compounds in cooked or processed red meat increase mammary tumors in animals and have been suspected of causing breast cancer in humans..cattle in the U.S. are treated with hormones to promote growth, which could also influence breast cancer risk. The type of iron available in red meat also may enhance tumor formation"

[fitchburgslut]

the rest id fat??? what idiocy is this??? pleasee sop lying or beleiving in these other morons that are just trying to sell a book

[crisology]

ScienceDaily (Nov. 14, 2006) — Eating more red meat may be associated with a higher risk for hormone receptor--positive breast cancers in premenopausal women, according to a report in the November 13 issue of Archives of Internal Medicine, one of the JAMA/Archives journals.

[Razwell]

ALL of the misguided vegans on here would do well to read the reserach of ANTHONY COLPO

THERE is ALL the evidence you need.VEGETARINA DO NOT DO NOT have lower all cause mortality ALL fo this is referenced in COLPOS book THE GREAT CHOLESTEROL CON

[neosurrealist]

you are robertangel30.

I think it's funny that every video response I have made to robertangel's vids, you pop up and try to make a point.

And you have privately messaged me.

Talk to me directly like a person, instead of hiding behind this ridiculous immature shroud of anonymity.

[neosurrealist]

bxjam85

evidence is what i gave.

you are the one voicing your OPINION.

[neosurrealist]

bxjam85

evidence is what i gave.

you are the one voicing your OPINION.

[TheBreadGirl]

Humans, by nature, are driven by the power of choice, not instinct. We are more advanced than instinct. You cannot legitimately label the human species as having one natural instinctive diet. Put an apple and a bunny in a crib with a child. If the child eats the bunny and plays with the apple, I'll say that you win this argument.

[davidjakewillis]

Veganism is guided by blind faith, so in that case the arguments for speciesism are logical? What evidence proves him wrong exactly?

[MetalMaiden966]

Hormone... testosterone.. U LACK THIS...CUT UR HAIR U EMO LOOKING FUCK!

[LordRama77]

Metalmaiden you are a turd.

[MetalMaiden966]

lol

[zarathustra087]

ahhhh..you are clever:D so why are you wasting your protein-energy this way?--be useful:P

[xjmxtkdx11]

i really like this video. its one of the best ive ever seen. im putting this up in other places. thanks again! i completely agree with this video!

[438MillionBC]

The only organic meat, I believe, is meat which is hunted. I'm don't eat meat, but if I ever do, its going to be hunted. To bad I'm really lazy...

[tortom110]

Thanks again. Your hair got long :-)

I don't understand all of this "veganism is a religion, not a diet, you're brainwashed etc etc etc." bullshit. Uhhh how is veganism any less of a diet than say a low fat diet? In both cases we're choosing what to leave out of our bodies for whatever reason, be it health or animal rights. An average hamburger takes 3 months to fully digest, just imagine all of that shit piling up in your system. Vegetables take 4-10 hours to digest.. Chew on that.

[dragonforce303]

who gives a fuck if you eat meat or not. "To each his own"

[438MillionBC]

What people eat effects everybody in the world, vegetarian or beefaholic. People need to THINK about what they eat, where their food comes from, and what they should change. Meat or no meat, people need to think about the shit they put into their bodies.

[venzetti8]

All this food talk got me all hungry. I shall BBQ some Steak and some Veggies along with it. I will unite them both in my tummy.

[robertangel30]

"It is estimated that less than 10% of hormones ingested are actually absorbed through the intestine. Consequently, hormone residue safety limits carry a 100-to 1,000-fold safety factor."

[robertangel30]

"...untreated steer meat contains about 1.3 nanograms (parts per billion) of estrogen per 3-oz. serving, a number that increases to 1.9 nanograms for hormone-implanted steers. By contrast, soybean oil contains over 1 million times that concentration. Many vegetables, ranging from peas to cabbage and contain from five to ten times that concentration, according to data compiled by Texas A&M University and the National Cattlemen's Assoc."

[mexicanbananas]

people are so stubborn sometimes. I honestly believe the only reason people dis on a veg lifestyle is because they know they couldn't do it theirselfs.

[watching123123]

I completely agree with you. Most people know, deep down, that its the right thing to do, but they come up with stupid excuses because they cannot do it.

[aharper12]

I love this...I try to tell people that there is no such thing as organic meats. Cause usually the food the animal eats may be treated with something. Not to mention if animals are harvested for food they are not being watched for proper nutrition. Not to meniton watch fast food nation....

[sherribailey75]

just looked at your profile and can't believe you're 31! you look about 22 if not younger. seriously. you're a great poster child for the benefits of veganism -- looking young, really young.

[liberalconservative]

that's funny, robertangel is 47 and looks much younger. I guess he should be a poster child for ominvorism. lol

[sherribailey75]

are you kidding? robertangel looks very much his age. that was one of the first things i noticed about him. he looks worn and tired. his rant is strange and mostly nonsensical. he is angry. so if you want to make that kind of person the poster child for omnivorism -- thank you! I encourage you.

[liberalconservative]

sherribailey75: I think you need glasses.

[sherribailey75]

I wear contacts, thank you.

[namniekib]

Veganism doesn't make sense because anyplace on Earth that was formerly cultivated for grains has turned into wasteland.What we now call the Sahara Desert was once the granary of the Roman Empire.Massive deforestation for shipbuilding in Europe was conducive for growing vegetables and grains but absolute decimation for natural habitats.Perhaps wild mushrooms,acorns and vension would better favor an old growth forest,one that would accumulate trace minerals lacking in domesticated farmland.

[robertangel30]

organic is only half way, it must be grass raised/finished/pastured.

[robertangel30]

where the hell do you get your information? Organic meat does not contain added hormones. Where are your citations? Are you aware that the body can digest raw meat faster than cooked meat?  Undigested meat in the colon? Give me a break. This is a prime example of vegan nonsense.

Yes, lets not forget about the estogen like compounds in soy bean!

[Jimisonjons]

Organic meat still contains hormones even if they're not added. Animals produce hormones.

Plant estrogens in soy are just that- PLANT estrogens which are much weaker than mammalian estrogens found in meat.

[robertangel30]

Jimisonjons: Much weaker perhaps, but many times the concentraion. See quote.

[sherribailey75]

you sound like you're in deep denial. very brainwashed and delusional. clean up your body and your mind. good luck!