Hello - if these little M106 rootstocks are left to grow into full trees, what will the tree be like? After a few years, could you take cuttings from this M106 tree and get them to root (maybe with rooting hormone?) to supply a source of rootstocks?
I'm grateful to have a wonderful nursery near me, but I'll likely follow your lead in the next few years and save some $. Now if only I had your wonderful soil! Many thanks for keeping up with the videos.
Great demonstration. Begs the question, how are rootstock produced commercially? This seems a very efficient way in comparison to waiting for a seedling to reach an appropriate girth.
@TTLM77 Rootstocks are reproduced in stool beds then planted out. To plant seeds would make a new apple variety which would most likely be a standard size tree 30-40ft x 30-40ft. When pollen from one apple variety is deposited on the pistil (stigma) of another apple variety, the seeds in the apple formed contain 50% of the genes from the pollen donor and 50% of the genes from the blossom carrier. Just like humans, the resulting seeds in that apple (baby) are a mixture of the two varieties.
@stephenhayesuk good videos I've watched them a few times . I've put some apple tree cuttings in a bath on my allotment, I'm trying to get some dwarf root stock but this isn't proving to be that easy. Well explained as well .
@TTLM77 Great videos. I've been given a MM106 apple and a St Julian 'A' plum root stock by my local garden centre. I'd like to propagate them in the same way as this video . There about 1 inch in diameter . and 18 inches tall with some very thin branches at the bottom. when is the best time to cut them down to ground level and plant them out, do | cut the small banches off at the bottom which will be underground when planted. There in 4 inch polthene pots at the moment. A hopeful enthusiast.
I've got a couple of quince and one pear rootstock dug up from beneath some pear trees and planted them out this year to occupy the space where once stood (barely) some dead cherry trees.
I dreamed a dream of sticking strong watershoots on the ground last year, hoping they would set root, but no luck there. Can these trees be propagated by cuttings?
@Teorispa 'Can these trees be propagated by cuttings?'
not satisfactorily, I don't say its impossible but commercially its always done from roots.
once again, growing a stock from an apple pip is possible, but unpredictable. With a fruit tree such a long term investment, it seems a poor economy to try it. If it doesn't work well, you will have wasted 4 or 5 years. Its it worth that to save the price of a aglass of beer?These rooted suckers will definitely be MM106 clones.
@fryloc77 thanks. Yes, my studies have convinced me that here are various ways to grow fruit succesfully, a lot depends on factors like soil, climate, variety, etc. Long live Dave Wilson and all others involved in passing on knowledge. This is the way i do things in my orchard in southern Hampshire, Old England. Its not the only way and the more people videolog about what they do where they live the more the knowledge gets spread.
I was in my yard today. Putting in some blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, and my next task is to install trees I'm thing in appointing the trees three to a hole. Or maybe for hole: 24 inches apart . Two cherry trees and Apple in one hole. And in the other two apples and a Peach tree all the trees will be in full sunlight and all trees on dwarf's I am thinking in maybe 4 to 5 years I may have fruit Thank you
@memberson Thanks. Its always worth planting fruit trees, but it sounds as if you are putting these very close together. As a rule, 6 feet apart is the absolute minimum even on ultra drawf root stocks and with intensive summer pruning. You can try and see how it goes, but if I understand you right and you are planting trees 24inches apart, I fear you may have to remove some of them in a couple of years. My trees are too close at 9 feet apart, 12 feet would be better.
@stephenhayesuk Hi Stephen, sorry to but in on your conversation. What memberson is doing is called high-density planting. Its is common here in california and for people who have small gardens or backyards. The idea is to plant 3 trees in a triangle slightly tilting outwards and to be 2 feet apart in every direction. Then one would prune the middle of tree so no branches cross and trim branches with outward facing buds. People do plums, peaches, nect., pears any deciduous trees
@memberson Research your rootstocks. Even if your cherries are on Giselle 5 and the peach on St.Julien A, they will completely over grow your apples. My suggestion would be to plant the cherries in one hole and the apples in the other.Most apples need X pollination so it would be wise to have them close together.Also make sure if you plant a triploid apple that you have proper pollination partners. Peaches are self fertile and do well espaliered against the house.Some cherries are SF others not
@theracemixer These root stocks will never give any useful fruit unless they are grafted. The stock (MM106 in this case) is a clone of a particular apple which was raised by trial and error to give a uniform, healthy root stock of a predictable size and other desirable qualities. To get apples, you need to graft a suitable variety on to a stock, such as these.
If these grow well and are grafted in spring 2012, all being well there could be some first fruits on them in about 5 years.
Hello - if these little M106 rootstocks are left to grow into full trees, what will the tree be like? After a few years, could you take cuttings from this M106 tree and get them to root (maybe with rooting hormone?) to supply a source of rootstocks?
clv101 3 weeks ago
hello
how come some Graft can not be located on the tree.?
memberson 3 months ago
I'm grateful to have a wonderful nursery near me, but I'll likely follow your lead in the next few years and save some $. Now if only I had your wonderful soil! Many thanks for keeping up with the videos.
ayelvington 1 year ago
Great demonstration. Begs the question, how are rootstock produced commercially? This seems a very efficient way in comparison to waiting for a seedling to reach an appropriate girth.
TTLM77 1 year ago
@TTLM77 Rootstocks are reproduced in stool beds then planted out. To plant seeds would make a new apple variety which would most likely be a standard size tree 30-40ft x 30-40ft. When pollen from one apple variety is deposited on the pistil (stigma) of another apple variety, the seeds in the apple formed contain 50% of the genes from the pollen donor and 50% of the genes from the blossom carrier. Just like humans, the resulting seeds in that apple (baby) are a mixture of the two varieties.
applenaut 1 year ago
@TTLM77 Commercially its the same process, just done with more care.
stephenhayesuk 1 year ago
@stephenhayesuk good videos
QUARTERBAT 3 months ago
@stephenhayesuk good videos I've watched them a few times . I've put some apple tree cuttings in a bath on my allotment, I'm trying to get some dwarf root stock but this isn't proving to be that easy. Well explained as well .
QUARTERBAT 3 months ago
@TTLM77 Great videos. I've been given a MM106 apple and a St Julian 'A' plum root stock by my local garden centre. I'd like to propagate them in the same way as this video . There about 1 inch in diameter . and 18 inches tall with some very thin branches at the bottom. when is the best time to cut them down to ground level and plant them out, do | cut the small banches off at the bottom which will be underground when planted. There in 4 inch polthene pots at the moment. A hopeful enthusiast.
QUARTERBAT 3 months ago
I've got a couple of quince and one pear rootstock dug up from beneath some pear trees and planted them out this year to occupy the space where once stood (barely) some dead cherry trees.
I dreamed a dream of sticking strong watershoots on the ground last year, hoping they would set root, but no luck there. Can these trees be propagated by cuttings?
Teorispa 1 year ago
@Teorispa 'Can these trees be propagated by cuttings?'
not satisfactorily, I don't say its impossible but commercially its always done from roots.
once again, growing a stock from an apple pip is possible, but unpredictable. With a fruit tree such a long term investment, it seems a poor economy to try it. If it doesn't work well, you will have wasted 4 or 5 years. Its it worth that to save the price of a aglass of beer?These rooted suckers will definitely be MM106 clones.
stephenhayesuk 11 months ago
I forgot to mention but Dave Wilson trees who have a youtube page show this on a few of their videos in reference to high density planting.
Thanks
fryloc77 1 year ago
@fryloc77 thanks. Yes, my studies have convinced me that here are various ways to grow fruit succesfully, a lot depends on factors like soil, climate, variety, etc. Long live Dave Wilson and all others involved in passing on knowledge. This is the way i do things in my orchard in southern Hampshire, Old England. Its not the only way and the more people videolog about what they do where they live the more the knowledge gets spread.
stephenhayesuk 11 months ago
Hello
I was in my yard today. Putting in some blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, and my next task is to install trees I'm thing in appointing the trees three to a hole. Or maybe for hole: 24 inches apart . Two cherry trees and Apple in one hole. And in the other two apples and a Peach tree all the trees will be in full sunlight and all trees on dwarf's I am thinking in maybe 4 to 5 years I may have fruit Thank you
memberson 1 year ago
@memberson Thanks. Its always worth planting fruit trees, but it sounds as if you are putting these very close together. As a rule, 6 feet apart is the absolute minimum even on ultra drawf root stocks and with intensive summer pruning. You can try and see how it goes, but if I understand you right and you are planting trees 24inches apart, I fear you may have to remove some of them in a couple of years. My trees are too close at 9 feet apart, 12 feet would be better.
kind regards
stephenhayesuk 1 year ago
@stephenhayesuk Hi Stephen, sorry to but in on your conversation. What memberson is doing is called high-density planting. Its is common here in california and for people who have small gardens or backyards. The idea is to plant 3 trees in a triangle slightly tilting outwards and to be 2 feet apart in every direction. Then one would prune the middle of tree so no branches cross and trim branches with outward facing buds. People do plums, peaches, nect., pears any deciduous trees
fryloc77 1 year ago
@memberson Research your rootstocks. Even if your cherries are on Giselle 5 and the peach on St.Julien A, they will completely over grow your apples. My suggestion would be to plant the cherries in one hole and the apples in the other.Most apples need X pollination so it would be wise to have them close together.Also make sure if you plant a triploid apple that you have proper pollination partners. Peaches are self fertile and do well espaliered against the house.Some cherries are SF others not
applenaut 1 year ago
How long will it takes to fruit ?
theracemixer 1 year ago
@theracemixer These root stocks will never give any useful fruit unless they are grafted. The stock (MM106 in this case) is a clone of a particular apple which was raised by trial and error to give a uniform, healthy root stock of a predictable size and other desirable qualities. To get apples, you need to graft a suitable variety on to a stock, such as these.
If these grow well and are grafted in spring 2012, all being well there could be some first fruits on them in about 5 years.
stephenhayesuk 1 year ago
@stephenhayesuk
Thanks for the information.
theracemixer 1 year ago
This is excellent! I'm just starting with however many grape vines survive from the cuttings this spring : )
Helioforge 1 year ago