Clean Energy - Wind vs Coal

[YoungIvyScholar]

Let's keep in mind that windmills use coal as a backup when there's no wind which is usually about 75% of the time. And coal is typically worse than oil.

[GalaxyStar4]

The fat idoit in the middle is a moron.

[captinseperoth]

If you, as an average American, got all your electricity from nuclear plants, you'd generate one kilogram of nuclear waste during your lifetime, enough to fit in a soda can. If you got all your electricity from coal, you'd generate almost 70 tons of waste. Coal plants emit far more radioactive materials than nuclear plants do;

each year a 1,000-megawatt coal plant disperses about 27 metric tons of uranium, thorium and other radioactive substances.

[GaunletofDestruction]

I love watching these types of videos just to see the people fight!

[mike121223]

i will build the damn wind farms for the people!

[GalaxyStar4]

@mike121223

No kidding. Me too!

[510purple]

well why dont they fund wind energy. wind energy is a renewable resource which means its gonna be around forever. also wind energy has no environmental impact. they dont think about it but these big coal burning companies wont exist when the ecosystem they live in is destroyed....

[GaunletofDestruction]

Coal is our cheapest form of electricity production and will increase in the future not the opposite. If "we" expect to get off of foreign oil then we need clean coal, since we have so much of it. It would be foolish of America to ignore building more coal plants with carbon sequestration technology. It is part of the solution for us to get off of foreign oil and with multiple other energy sources will be our best bet.

[ToxicBrainSyndrome]

Wind energy. If we took 1 tillion dollars the cost of the wars in you know where. 1 trillion/4 million (estimated cost of scale for a commercial one wind turbine) would net 25 billion wind turbines. One wind turbine can generate 2.5MWh electricity. 2.5MWh can power 350 homes in a northern cold state. 25 billion X 250 homes? I think that pretty much covers the US needs for power. Just having fun here, don't shoot the messenger.

[hydra8888]

There are many many wind energy companies in the United States. google Green-e

[epicdeuce]

This guy comes off as meek and weak...

[canadiceconstruction]

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[canadiceconstruction]

I like the "Google Plan". I have an EV that I have charged from solar and wind energy. Now if 250,000,000 U.S. car owners would do the same, we as a nation would save 500,000,000 gals. of gasoline each day, without increasing emissions due to increased coal fired electric generation. The gasoline savings equates to $730 Billion per year!! My plan is to first replace as much gasoline as we can with solar and wind. And then try to replace inexpensive coal fired electricity.

[CleanWaterActionPA]

We need to redirect the trillions of dollars it will take for "clean" coal towards wind and solar. Maybe then we will have more funding. It is essential to invest in clean energy. We can't except "We don't have the money" as an excuse, it is just a cop out. We need to ween off coal and move to clean energy.

[offsprng46]

What patently absurd nonsense. Coal or wind? I choose neither. NUCLEAR POWER IS THE ONLY SENSIBLE WAY TO GO. These idiots know nothing about the physical laws which govern economic activity.

[im4wur]

Are you speaking of fission or fusion?

[offsprng46]

Both. It's a development process that needs to proceed as follows: Immediate need: - Crash program of 2G uranium reactor production & deployment; - Distributed reactor development; - 3G&4G thorium reactor development; - Fusion R&D. Near future: - 3G & 4G reactor deployment; - Large-scale deployment of nuclear-powered desalination; - Distributed small reactor deployment; - Fusion generation commercialization; - R&D for other applications of fusion (ie, aerospace apps)

[offsprng46]

Long term:

- Fusion reactor deployment;

- Commercialization of fusion-powered technologies and applications;

- Large-scale investment in space exploration and colonization using aforementioned fusion technologies

[gREENbUILT21]

Absolutely, unequivocally.....CORRECT!

If Man is to progress, we must increase our knowledge and use of 'fire'.

[im4wur]

How do you propose handling the byproducts of fission?

[offsprng46]

I don't really understand why people get so hung-up on that. Whatever... If it was up to me, I would go the reprocessing route.

[im4wur]

25, 000 years is a long time. - It's dangerous to assume responsibility for something over which you have little chance of controlling. - To do so is to invite disaster.

[im4wur]

For instance, it's my understanding that in the 1960's a lot of radioactive material was placed in containers and dumped off the US coastline. Those containers had a projected lifespan of maintaining their integrity for 50 years. Guess what? It's 50 years later. - Ask the Somalians about what happens in such circumstances. It's not a pretty picture.

[im4wur]

btw, the depletion of ocean food sources and Somalians' radiation sickness is related to the recent pirate attacks. - Just another example of the result of uncaring short-sightedness and the fact that: "What goes 'round, comes around."

[offsprng46]

Hey, guess what? The uranium has been in the earth for 5 BILLION YEARS. Now, we should just reprocess it, since there's little point throwing it away when 99% of the usable energy remains. However, even if we just bury it under a mountain, why exactly is just putting it back under the ground from whence it came so awful? That's absurd.

I don't believe radioactive material was dumped off the coast in the 1960's, at least not legally. Got a source? In any case, we must be smarter than that.

[offsprng46]

For Christ's sake bro, we put dozens of men on the moon. You really think we can't figure out what to do with spent fuel rods? Especially when WE'VE ALREADY FIGURED OUT?

And yes, I am aware that the Somali pirate attacks are related to European vessels dumping toxic waste off their coast. That is most disgusting - we should put together a multinational task force to clean up the mess.

[im4wur]

wrt: "we should put together a multinational task force to clean up the mess." - Upoin this we agree.

[im4wur]

Fortunately, I'm not responsibile for what you chose to believe. Try googling: "Veteran Recounts Dumping of Radioactive Waste Off U.S. Shore"

[im4wur]

That's not the only case: "Thousands of radioactive waste barrels rusting"

"Piracy Requires a Concerted International Response"

[im4wur]

It's true that "Everything has problems". However, it's by comparing the Total costs (in terms of $, health and future concerns) that you realize coal is a dead industry.

Coal energy is:just a dead industry walking.

[Nilopollis]

I dont care about coal miners and windmills arent that effective. couldnt we do something new like harvest volcano power or something?

[im4wur]

There is geo-thermal. However, it's my understanding that a link has been established between deep well drilling and earthquakes. - Currently, it seems that geo-thermal viability is a function of location.

[Nilopollis]

WE CAN CAUSE EARTHQUAKES!?

thats awesome if its true. but yeah...lets just turn yosemite into one big power plant and leave the rest of the environment alone

[im4wur]

a google for : deep well earthquakes - will yield results.

For that matter, I wouldn't be surprised if draining an aquifer could (under the right conditions) trigger an earthquake (one at least). Although, I've never seen any studies on this.

[im4wur]

Interesting: "Abstract - Earthquakes can be triggered by any significant perturbation of the hydrologic regime. In areas where potentially active faults are already close to failure, the increased pore pressure resulting from fluid injection, or, alternatively, the massive extraction of fluid or gas, can induce sufficient stress and/or strain changes that, with time, can lead to sudden catastrophic failure in a major earthquake."

source: springerlink. com

[fatmanprime]

Why wind? It's fucking crap, produces piss-poor power.

We need an assload of nuclear power, if coal is too offensive.

[offsprng46]

Damn skippy. I've about had it with these idiotic technology-hating anti-nuclear zombies.

[FRTothus]

Coal is being subsidized. What's wrong with using that same money? Take it (or even half of it) away from coal and oil for the 6 months or 12, and require the sacrifice of them as a national duty to get these national goods into being. But that's not really the goal, it would seem. They'd rather hold on to their feifdoms and monopolies and their mansions and yachts. Have you seen the bigger piggies in their starched white shirts?

[dulatows]

there is no such thing as clean coal.

[nickd4818]

fucking bonzer mate

[tattootomorrow]

Nuclear power can help, while wind acts as an accessory.

[Gwisss]

Let the US build loads of nuclear power plants, and then use Canada as a storage facility for waste! YES! Way to go.

[tattootomorrow]

Outside coal plants Geiger counters report higher radiation than you find outside nuclear power plants. Nuclear power plants produce much more power. Nuclear power plants have far less carbon emissions (not really any, by comparison).

[atomicchitlin]

Want cheap coal power?? Willing to put up with 24,000 deaths a year (How many sick??) Who decides who lives and who dies; the coal guy? Renewable energy is cheaper today once you remove all the "Externalized Costs" ...like dead people; and wars

We can all do our part - cut consumption; install a solar water heater, cut down your miles; walk, bike  Easy ;-)

[nickd4818]

go fuck yourself

[ArkeAngelRevonulet]

I live in TN.I love how the coal mess in east TN doesn't get much air/news time! I will say it plainly. F$#k Coal..I wonder if any of these coal loving smuks lives near a coal plant or would they live near one and drink the water? I think not! Clean coal my arse LOL!

[ubuibiok]

Cut and kill all the Brakes that the Coal companies and Power companies are getting and in 2 month's the power companies will get off there asses.......

[wreckchordsnz]

yea makes sense, close the loopholes and wind alternative forms of energy will probably become economically viable... suddenly there would probably be plenty of private sector companies that would put the investment up...