@ADZ01982 It's because the Turkish government hides behind the idea of religious tolerance but still holds the "values" of the old Ottoman regime against non-Muslim worship within the Turkish state. Also, tensions run high between surrounding Orthodox Christian nations, such as Greece and Armenia, and Turkey. Agia Sophia as a church would be a problem in Ankara. The sad thing is that the EU (among others) doesn't care much about one church robbed from us. Efharisto, and greetings from Greece.
There was a reason that God permitted Muslim Turks to capture and convert Holy Church of +Hagia Sophia to mosque of Ayasofya."The Crusaders" , "Christians from other countries", came before Turks and totally showed disrespect to Christianity in Byzantine and no need here to repeat what they had done to the Constantinople, Its Clergy and men, women, children.I lived in the City 26 years, i still hear morning prayers and chanting Angels waking people up from the sleep. We will see God's decision.
how could you just terrorize a church and turn it into a mosque it's a crime... you just can't. its like nowadays shooting all the people in a mosque and making it a church. its cruel, imhumane and would really just never happen.
How you could just terrorize a mosque into a church in Andalusia, that is a crime. Before you will talk about Hagia sophia, turn to your own droppings
@xxTurquiaxx how about you learn some history. When you muslims invaded Spain (since war is your way of life like your muhammad instructed you) you conquered the area cordoba, Andalusia. At the site was a church and you muslims converted it to a mosque before building a new mosque on the site of the church.
The Spanish took back Spain and rebuilt the church that you muslims had previously demolished. As usual you muslims do not apply logic. You only want to take by force other lands and people.
whatever im not spanish so thats not my focus. i am focussing on this because i am greek orthodox. plus the spanish just wanted to take back what was theirs.
it was so beautiful and timeless.... until the ottomans came and stuffed it big time, once a church always a church no matter what. and its called Agia Sophia not some arabic name with heaps of flem.
All your comments, forget the Crusaders who did the same thing...get with it and stop being so judgmental. How about the Spanish Inquisitions burning at the stake, that must have been fun to watch by the so called Christians.. And the Romans and their execution fun in the great areas. Stop having such tunnel vision.
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TÜRKİYE CUMHURİYETİ
OSMANLI DEVLETİ - 1453 conquest of Istanbul
Benim Türk milletine Türk cemiyetine Türklüğün istikbaline ait ödevlerim bitmemiştir siz onları tamamlayacaksınız Siz de sizden sonrakilere benim sözümü tekrar ediniz
Benim hayatta yegane fahrim servetim Türklükten başka bir şey değildir
The Sofia Cathedral was locked with people inside, there are witness account that describe the cruelty of the Ottoman Muslims where they raped nuns, took the babies of the Christians, destroying the church interior and desacrating the altar. The Ottomans committed a genocide which the Sultans were able to conceal. They have been able to commit genocide of Christians and managed to stay out of bllame with the help of British trade agreements. It is sickening! Islam is a war religion.
Many temples of worship have gone from sinagues to Catholic Churches ( in Spain there are hundreds ) and from Mosques to Catholic Churches ( La Alhambra) so being this as someone points out as a crime ...I guess all are criminals....but whom ever is in power can do this. In Jerusalem the Dome of the Rock has all 3 Monotheistic Religions sharing the same building ...with no problem........the problem is with the individual and his thinking and precedences ... there is only One God- Mashallah
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Bu ülke, tarihte Türk’tü, bugün de Türk’tür ve sonsuza dek Türk kalacaktır
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OSMANLI DEVLETİ - 1453 conquest of Istanbul
Benim Türk milletine, Türk cemiyetine, Türklüğün istikbaline ait ödevlerim bitmemiştir, siz onları tamamlayacaksınız. Siz de, sizden sonrakilere benim sözümü tekrar ediniz
How many of you know that the Christians transformed the pagan temples into churches & killed a lot of people unwillingly to convert to Christianism ? The best example is maybe the Hungarian King Stephen I who drawned into Danube those ones who refused to convert to Christianism in the year 1000 ! Transforming isn't quite a crime, but put it down, tha's a CRIME and the Popes aren't totally innocent when it comes to the minds behind this act. Don't hope that Hagia Sophia will be Christian again.
Crime or not, it's still good enough that they didn't put it down as the Austro-Hungarians did in Transylvania after they conquered it. Over 150 monasteries & churches have been burnt & put down by canons just because they were of Christian Orthodox rite. Between 1940-1944 the Hunagrians also destroied Orthodox churches in Transylvania or transformed'em in stable & the the Holy Altar in WC !!! Don't forget that the Turks took control of Constantinople on May 29, 1453, other times...
@fuentes83 : "Istanbul" is NOT a Greek word and it doesn't mean "city". Istanbul comes from Constantinople (Constantinoupolis in Greek = City of Constantine, Kostantiniyye or İstanbul in Turkish) the name given to the village of Byzantium by Constantin I the Great once he moved the capital of the Roman Empire in the middle of the empire to better control & organize it. Later capital of the Eastern Roman Empire. "Poli" = city & Poleis = cities in Greek.
Hagia Sophie should be made a Christian place of religon again. This church was the centre of the Christian world for a thousand years. I find it an insult to see it as a museum. I am tolerant of all religons but if Europe freely allows Mosques to be built in its borders then the Hagia Sophia should be returned to allow Christian worship there. I do not see this to be a unreasonable request for Turkey.
In the North Cyprus,occupaid airia they converted many churches to ..farms,or deserted,spilling the icones to sell them;other became mosque and personnally I refused to take out my shoes to go in...
This does'nt bother a lot European community.Thank you for your comment...
With the blessing of the Lord Jesus Christ & the Virgin Mary "Hagia Sophia" will one day again be a place to the greeks. Orthodox Christian center. It will be what it once was, the greatest Orthodox Christian Cathedral in the world.
ΠΑΛΙ ΜΕ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΜΕ ΚΑΙΡΟΥΣ ΠΑΛΙ ΔΙΚΙΑ ΜΑΣ ΘΑ ΝΑΙ....
after victory Mehmed alfatih ordered that citizens of all ages who had managed to escape detection were to leave their hiding places throughout the city and come out into the open, as they were remain free and no question would be asked. He further declared the restoration of houses and property to those who had abandoned thecity before the siege, if they returned home, they would be treated according to their rank and religion, as if nothing had changed.
The best gift from muslims to East Christians (Orthodox) would be to allow once a year to be heared orthodox chants in Agia Sofia...Something like a religious festival in order to honer the purpose that this church was build centuries ago..Nobody claims anything..
the turks are the greatest land grabbers of all time... taking lands from Greece (Eastern Thrace, Constantinople (not Istanbul you bitches), Imbros and Lemnos islands, northern Cyprus and west Anatolia, Armenia, Syria (Antioch not Antalya you goat fuckers). HAGIA SOPHIA IS A CHURCH NOT A FUCKING MOSQUE u put minarets or crescent insignias over the domes but you cannot erase its heritage u fucking muslim turks
Could everyone just stop fucking arguing about the Hagia Sophia! Yes it was originally from Christians and Greeks whatever! That was the past! Forget it! What a shame! You are all arguing like bitches! It's now a museum and it will stay a museum! HAPPY?
First of all, Hagia Sophia (Blue mosque) is a church you moron! It's something called a Muslim mosque!
Second of all, the word "Istanbul" doesn't come from Greek! It's Turkish! It's not like everything is Greek you know.
Third of all, Muslims aren't terrorist! They didn't even do the 9/11! The 9/11 was a conspiracy! The twin tower's' structure was built to be weak, secondly, there was a bomb in the building. Look closely at the 9/11 videos. The building explodes before plane impact!
Jesus will be here soon to claim his city and his Cathedral very soon. When you feel the earth shake beneath your feet in Constantinople that just might be the day!
The biggest Orthodox church in the world-Cathedral of Saint Sava in Belgrade was built in a style similar to Hagia Sophia-the style is called the Serbian-Byzantine stil.Pogledajte on you tube clip of the temple
Sofiyskiy sobor mojet bït preobrazovan v cherkov snova, no ya ne mogu verutsya k mecheti. Poskobky cherkov arhitektura pozvolyet tolko hristianskogo bogoslijeniya.
Hagia Sophia (the Church of Holy Wisdom), now known as the Ayasofya Museum, is a former Eastern Orthodox church converted to a mosque in 1453, converted into a museum in 1935, in the Turkish city of Istanbul. It is universally acknowledged as one of the greatest buildings of the world and sometimes considered the Eighth Wonder of the World. Its conquest by the Ottomans at the fall of Constantinople is considered one of the great tragedies of Christianity by the Greek Orthodox faithful.
It is a crime against humanity and religion to convert a church to a mosque. What kind of peace moslems do claim? Killing, Stealing people property, and destroying their properties are considered peace in islam.
@ mouhdie: before naming conversions as crime, remind the mosques in spain which were converted into churches after moors were sent exile and jews were massacred by holy christian armies!!!Moreover Hagia Sophia is not a mosque today, it's a museum (which is also wrong in my opinion, it must be serving as our great mosque!!)
@Colts4ever123: we will be waiting for your humanly shaped god ;)
@mouhdie, when Muslims talk of peace, they only mean peace amongst themselves. They could care less about peace with other people who are not Muslim. Not to mention the fact that their "Holy Book" the Q'uran says that its okay to do these things.
@mouhdie what the fuck u on about. your actually pathetic. its the most respectful thing you could do, the christian mosiacs were not chucked in the bin but rather covered along with the christian artifects and others. remember that the byzantines were enemys of the turks at the time and they city was not sacked. hagia sophia was in terrible condition at the time. also the city was sacked in 1204 by the crusaders, so go accuse ur religion christianity of being barbaric, not islam
What have you got against us Muslims? We weren't murderers! Even the 9/11 was a complete conspiracy! The 9/11 was a conspiracy! The twin tower's' structure was built to be weak, secondly, there was a bomb in the building. Look closely at the 9/11 videos. The building explodes before plane impact! America did it themselves! Aren't I clear to you people!?
@mouhdie well, every religion offers some kind of a peace, and if you take christians, they did inquisitions, the crusades...
What i mean is, don't try to understand a religion by its followers. Get a Kuran or Bible, whatever, and see how YOU understand it in the way of acting and behaving.
It's the Ottoman Rule, who converted Hagia Sophia to a mosque, it's not especially an Islamic thing. O-T-T-O-M-A-N. It's different. (although, i don't support it =))
@mouhdie also, what i read about this is, Fatih Sultan Mehmed (Fatih The Conqueror), enters the Hagia Sophia on this horse right after the conquest of Istanbul. He takes a look around, and says with no hasitation: "We're keeping this place."
He could have it demolished, right? =) It would be a bigger victory. This behavior is a way of appreciating the Christianity of Anatolia and Istanbul in my opinion. And also some other stuff.
@mouhdie If you visit here, Istanbul someday, or maybe you already have, you'll see that, every mosque built after the conquest looks like Hagia Sophia. That's why, mosques in Turkey do look different than those in other muslim countries.
@ROBHUGHES1453 don't confuse laicism with atheism. tukey is the epitome of an islamic colony. the crescent became the symbol of islam after the fall of constantinople. turkey is a muslim country with secular (military) administration (built on christian blood and bones)
oh my god, this church was converted hundreds of years ago when human rights did not exist, who cares
if it had happened some years ago, your complaint would be ok
in Lybia, in Tripoli, one of the most beautiful cathedrals in Northern Africa was converted to a mosque in the last fifty years, we should complain about this example because it is a recent event
and today the Hagia Sophia is a museum, not a mosque
you stupid. you know what the history of Turkey? Originally the mosque was not the church. Christianity is cruel that are willing to kill people and to force Muslims into Christians, if not they will be killed. you are not a scientist or archaeologist. do not say arbitrarily, while the writings of al-Quran is older than the paintings and patterns made by the Christians in the building.
@ctmets \The Christian building is older than islam itself. It is proven. You muslims pilleged Christian land and murder innocent women and children and raped them. The people were forced to cnvert under a sword. The quran is a book made of 300 other books called the quran compiled by a sultan and made into one book.
you stupid(mouhdie). you know what the history of Turkey? Originally the mosque was not the church. Christianity is cruel that are willing to kill people and to force Muslims into Christians, if not they will be killed. you are not a scientist or archaeologist. do not say arbitrarily, while the writings of al-Quran is older than the paintings and patterns made by the Christians in the building.
Christians are willing to do whatever it takes to close the history of the world but now modern. scientists are now able to differentiate what is correct and not so well with the age thing or old buildings.
@mouhdie you stupid. you know what the history of Turkey? Originally the mosque was not the church. Christianity is cruel that are willing to kill people and to force Muslims into Christians, if not they will be killed. you are not a scientist or archaeologist. do not say arbitrarily, while the writings of al-Quran is older than the paintings and patterns made by the Christians in the building.
it is silly...it was named Costantinoupoli(constantine's city) or Poli (city) who built agia sofia and the whole byzantium and they now call it istanbul that means "to the city"...even the name means the same...
Several Ionic pillars of Hagia Sophia were taken from the Temple of Artemis in Ephesus(one of the seven wonders of the ancient world which burned down on the night of Alexander's birth). Much stonework was taken from Troy which was used a quarry.
It would have been fascinating to see this under construction, and the Dome being repaired, thankfully when it changed hands nobody destroyed it, like the Parthenon, apparently even the enemies have an eye for artistic beauty.
istanbul is a greek word and means city .. stimbolis ... it was istanbul before 1453 too... and actually it was constantiniyye in ottoman records, not istanbul..
@ctimur constantinopolis is right, but usage of stimboli (now istanbul, and means simply "city" in greek) was common. now the istanbul word is derived from stimboli, not constantinople.
Konstantin-iye was Constantinople in Ottoman meaning place of Constantine, but the original Ottoman name for this town is DERSAADET. Anyway Istanbul was more commonly used among the people, maybe because its easier and faster to pronounce. When you say the name you almost dont say the first character, like _Stanbul.
Colts, I hate to say this and with all due respect I have heard the bible has been corrupted over time. Look at Europe today people are abandoning Christianity like it is a plague.The Christian values and teachings are being lost to the almighty dollar and greed.
Constantinole is still the New Rome. The title has never been taken away,other than by barbaric wars. We never approved Charlemange to be Emperor no did we approve his Filloque, this was not done by any Council. Charlamange was appointed by a Pope with out the Power or the right to approve sucha person,since then the destructution of the Church began, and to this day the Vatican plays possum to all unity efforts to appease the people.behind the scenes it is in fear of Serbia,Greece,Russia,etc.
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From you beleive that Jesus was a Prophet, But remeber when Mohammed was apon the mountain and was grabbed by the Arch Angel Gabriel and he Gave him Many Revelations, I wonder who did not express the virgin birth or the resurrection on Paschal sunday? Was it Mohammed that lied or the Arch Angel Gabriel?
For some reason, God (the Holy Trinity) allowed Constantinople to fall to the godless Muslims. There is a tradition that before the world ends the Divine Liturgy, which was stopped when the church was taken over, will be completed. How great it must have been to hear the great saints preach in Agia Sophia. What a blessing. God bless all Orthodox Christians.
For those narrow minded moron who just blaiming and mocking the turks and muslim for the past history just look at your own ugly history...Christian kill muslim in spain during the inquisition, if wasn't for the muslim europe is still trap in old frigged middle ages christian teaching and all of you live in wooden and mud made stucture, the peasant is always a peasent and the lord is always greedy and oppresing no sense of just, your food have no spice and tasteless and your priest teaching myth
Correct Lysandros back then to be Roman was to be Greek, To be Greek was to be Roman, The Apostles did not write the epistles in Latin they wrote them in Greek.Pure KOINE GREEEK
It's a holy deed,to once regain the lost territories of the byzantine empire, which is actually the REAL christian empire since its connected to jesus
You are correct, Christ rules that City not the ottomans he awaits in paitence for his triumphunt return, or the return of the Orthordox carrying the great Holy Cross tto put atop the Dome that has been missing for so many years.
disgusting how those barbarian turk bastards vandalised one of the most beautiful churches in the world, destroying many paintings and putting ugly islamic signs on it, which are obviously ugly looking...
I agree, my friend, leave it to Satan worshipping Muslims to destroy anything holy. . . if the Muslims were so good they wouldn't have taken over an innocent city to begin with.
Me1i, you are welcome. "Force of Arms", in Latin referred to as Vi et Armis or Armorum VI, I am sure will be included in your essay. Just a reminder also that we are all descendants and have become the successors in title to the goods taken from our ancestors by 'Force of Arms" which applies directly to the Hagia. Good luck with the essay.
"Force of Arms", in Latin referred to as Vi et Armis or Armorum VI, in which ownership has always been established by force; originally by the "Force of Arms" and latterly by the force of law. We are all descendants and have become the successors in title to the goods taken from our ancestors by 'Force of Arms". As stated The Hagia Sophia belongs rightfully to the Turkish Government and therefore they are under no moral obligations.
lets hope so there are still pages from the church that are being kept hidden, old manuscripts written by priests back then etc no one knows this becuase my friends dad works in intelligence and is good friends with the cleric of the now mosque hagia sofia.
"Force of Arms" is a completely legitimate way of transferring ownership of territory,treasure and artifacts etc, even when good guys lose. Just ask the Americans they are experts on "Force of Arms". The Hagia Sophia belongs rightfully to the Turkish Government and therefore they are under no moral obligations.
Fatih Sultan Mehmed sent a request that Constantinople be given to him without a war, but the emperor decided to fight, if Constantinople was given without a fight, then Hagia Sophia would have still been remaning as a church.
lol i could say the same for you, for greece could not be greece without conquests of many cities. It is stupid to compare a house which belongs to a land, to land itself.
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There is no need to worry, sons of the Ottomans shall rise, and Hagia Sophia rightfully shall be converted into a mosque, as the conqueror of the greatest city wished. Fatih Sultan Mehmed, ceaser of East Rome, age 21.
You have been cursed by the deaths of the Genocides you have committed, you have been cursed by the Holy Wisdom because you have desecrated and belittled his Cathedral and home dedicated and consecrated by the early church fathers to him, you are cursed you have my familys blood on your hands and do not bat an eye, I am not God I do not Forgive but jesus awaits paitently!
I understand your point of view. And I give you full credits for wanting Hagia Sophia, one of the finest artifacts created to this day. You stand by your ancestors side and I stand by mine, in the end, stronger shall win, it's simple as that. Remember though, Constantinople was taken by force, if you were to give it to Fatih Sultan Mehmed conqueror, Hagia Sophia still would have been a church. Unfortunately for you, you decided to fight, thus the price of Hagia Sophia was rightfully earned.
"Remember though, Constantinople was taken by force, if you were to give it to Fatih Sultan Mehmed conqueror, Hagia Sophia still would have been a church. Unfortunately for you, you decided to fight, thus the price of Hagia Sophia was rightfully earned" Not quite. does not make sense.
I can t help but write,i keep reading the comments and god how bigoted you are!!By the way you talk as if byzantines were angels with wings,this is history every nation killed people for land,and if those should be cursed there should be no german or serbian (what they did in srebrenitsa was inhuman) in the world.I don t approve or boast about thisbut what christians forgets that ur god is also muslim s god they do respect jesus,by the way prophets are just prophets ,divine god not to human!
my angels?It s arabic bullshit! have you ever met a turkish personally?I met greeks and we had no problems among us ,but people like you are the slaves of propagandas they want you to hate and you hate,they want you to fight you fight..A hateful person cannot believe in god,!!
@paradoxicallyinpara like i said you again do not take responsibility for the muslim mujahadeen and thier terror in the balkans. and by the way i eat at turkish restaurants 2-3 times a week.
i think you re obsessed with mujahadeen simply connecting everything with them,I don t even accept the concept of mujahadeen because religion is personal , between god and yourself, forcing someone to become religious is tyrannism and by the way, you hate turkish people but at least you have no hatred for food,good of you:)
@paradoxicallyinpara wrong, the war in bosnia has a 2 sided story, the serbs may not have been angels but i will not accept the fact that the other side sat like ducks waiting to be shot at they have many skeletons also to provoke this anger.
i forgive as my god tells me to to forget is hard when you have lost family at the hands of the turk. as far my religion it is a peaceful faith. wE DO NOT BLOW UP TOWERS,PEOPLE,AIRPLANES.SLAUGHTER PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF aLLAH
we ALSO do not do these kind of shits , they are fanatics, people who are brainwashed, no matter what religion you believe it is forbidden to kill people,it is unbelieveable and inhuman,my family,my friends,the people around me are not like this and we all hate who slaughter somebody in the name of so called god,it is funny to even believe that these ones are doing it in the name of god,killing what god created,what reflects god in the earth!
Byzantium is still alive, one reason why Turkey still is in control is because of the USA. In 1980 Greece was going to attack Turkey at her weakest point but the CIA talked her out of it? Turkey a strategic location ? NO! There are other countries to the west. They fear the rise of Byzantium Orthodoxy to the North (Russia) to the South (Greece) along with Serbia,Romania,Bulgaria, Armenia.The Ukraine Now the Pope would not like that,neither would the USA. But Byzantium is alive and well !
And Muslims should demolish all the Mosques they have built inside Christian Churches, first of all the Great Church of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople.
Were the Muslims Squatting on Spanish land at the time? Like the Turks which in Reality do not have a DNA are Squatting on the Bosphorous and Anatolia? Is Hagia Sophia a Cathedral that Belongs To Jesus Christ or one that has been desecrated at the hands of the Islamic Turks? They talk freedom of Religion, The world has yet to see that, Cyprus is still under invasion where is the international community, Like always afraid, chickens, But they will attack (Nato) a Christian Country
Are you fucking retarded? He thinks you are lieing because you said you weren't a racist but you ethnic slurs. Fuck you are handicapped. Turks are White-Asians mixed. Greeks have Ethiopian DNA. Stupid fucking untermensch.
@ADZ01982 It's because the Turkish government hides behind the idea of religious tolerance but still holds the "values" of the old Ottoman regime against non-Muslim worship within the Turkish state. Also, tensions run high between surrounding Orthodox Christian nations, such as Greece and Armenia, and Turkey. Agia Sophia as a church would be a problem in Ankara. The sad thing is that the EU (among others) doesn't care much about one church robbed from us. Efharisto, and greetings from Greece.
Ital721 1 month ago in playlist AGIA SOPHIA
what a waste
bestinfadel 2 months ago
There was a reason that God permitted Muslim Turks to capture and convert Holy Church of +Hagia Sophia to mosque of Ayasofya."The Crusaders" , "Christians from other countries", came before Turks and totally showed disrespect to Christianity in Byzantine and no need here to repeat what they had done to the Constantinople, Its Clergy and men, women, children.I lived in the City 26 years, i still hear morning prayers and chanting Angels waking people up from the sleep. We will see God's decision.
sevsen4 3 months ago
Hagia Sofia is not a museum...Is a monument that needs to be restored in its original form!
remali2013 4 months ago
@remali2013 that would mean taking away those awful minerets and that cresent symbol . to bring it back to its true form
bestinfadel 2 months ago
Hagia Sophia is not a mosque anymore. It currently serves as a museum.
pterocardio 4 months ago
One day, Hagia Sophia will be once again be crowned with a cross.
JayYoonSH 4 months ago
how could you just terrorize a church and turn it into a mosque it's a crime... you just can't. its like nowadays shooting all the people in a mosque and making it a church. its cruel, imhumane and would really just never happen.
nicolettaabaaybee 5 months ago
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How you could just terrorize a mosque into a church in Andalusia, that is a crime. Before you will talk about Hagia sophia, turn to your own droppings
xxTurquiaxx 5 months ago
@xxTurquiaxx how about you learn some history. When you muslims invaded Spain (since war is your way of life like your muhammad instructed you) you conquered the area cordoba, Andalusia. At the site was a church and you muslims converted it to a mosque before building a new mosque on the site of the church.
The Spanish took back Spain and rebuilt the church that you muslims had previously demolished. As usual you muslims do not apply logic. You only want to take by force other lands and people.
C0mmanderEddingt0n 4 months ago
@xxTurquiaxx
whatever im not spanish so thats not my focus. i am focussing on this because i am greek orthodox. plus the spanish just wanted to take back what was theirs.
nicolettaabaaybee 4 months ago
it was so beautiful and timeless.... until the ottomans came and stuffed it big time, once a church always a church no matter what. and its called Agia Sophia not some arabic name with heaps of flem.
nicolettaabaaybee 5 months ago
All your comments, forget the Crusaders who did the same thing...get with it and stop being so judgmental. How about the Spanish Inquisitions burning at the stake, that must have been fun to watch by the so called Christians.. And the Romans and their execution fun in the great areas. Stop having such tunnel vision.
mountainsong100 5 months ago in playlist ancient constructions and great buildings
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Türkiye Cumhuriyeti'ni kuran Türkiye halkına Türk milleti denir. ℂ⋆
Bu ülke, tarihte Türk’tü bugün de Türk’tür ve sonsuza dek Türk kalacaktır
TÜRKİYE CUMHURİYETİ
OSMANLI DEVLETİ - 1453 conquest of Istanbul
Benim Türk milletine Türk cemiyetine Türklüğün istikbaline ait ödevlerim bitmemiştir siz onları tamamlayacaksınız Siz de sizden sonrakilere benim sözümü tekrar ediniz
Benim hayatta yegane fahrim servetim Türklükten başka bir şey değildir
Fatih Sultan Mehmet & Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK
harbiye100 5 months ago
The Sofia Cathedral was locked with people inside, there are witness account that describe the cruelty of the Ottoman Muslims where they raped nuns, took the babies of the Christians, destroying the church interior and desacrating the altar. The Ottomans committed a genocide which the Sultans were able to conceal. They have been able to commit genocide of Christians and managed to stay out of bllame with the help of British trade agreements. It is sickening! Islam is a war religion.
hetismij21 6 months ago
Many temples of worship have gone from sinagues to Catholic Churches ( in Spain there are hundreds ) and from Mosques to Catholic Churches ( La Alhambra) so being this as someone points out as a crime ...I guess all are criminals....but whom ever is in power can do this. In Jerusalem the Dome of the Rock has all 3 Monotheistic Religions sharing the same building ...with no problem........the problem is with the individual and his thinking and precedences ... there is only One God- Mashallah
zarah1020 6 months ago
Killing, stealing etc, is not considered peace in Islam.. if you actually look into it, and read the Qu'ran you'll understand...
MG109 6 months ago
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TÜRKİYE CUMHURİYETİ
OSMANLI DEVLETİ - 1453 conquest of Istanbul
Benim Türk milletine, Türk cemiyetine, Türklüğün istikbaline ait ödevlerim bitmemiştir, siz onları tamamlayacaksınız. Siz de, sizden sonrakilere benim sözümü tekrar ediniz
Fatih Sultan Mehmet & Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK
harbiye100 8 months ago
DEATH TO TURKEY
alevonto 9 months ago
que playmobil saque en juguete esta hermosa joya de la humanidad! :D
evogecko 9 months ago
How many of you know that the Christians transformed the pagan temples into churches & killed a lot of people unwillingly to convert to Christianism ? The best example is maybe the Hungarian King Stephen I who drawned into Danube those ones who refused to convert to Christianism in the year 1000 ! Transforming isn't quite a crime, but put it down, tha's a CRIME and the Popes aren't totally innocent when it comes to the minds behind this act. Don't hope that Hagia Sophia will be Christian again.
ROMANABSOLUT 10 months ago
Crime or not, it's still good enough that they didn't put it down as the Austro-Hungarians did in Transylvania after they conquered it. Over 150 monasteries & churches have been burnt & put down by canons just because they were of Christian Orthodox rite. Between 1940-1944 the Hunagrians also destroied Orthodox churches in Transylvania or transformed'em in stable & the the Holy Altar in WC !!! Don't forget that the Turks took control of Constantinople on May 29, 1453, other times...
ROMANABSOLUT 10 months ago
@fuentes83 : "Istanbul" is NOT a Greek word and it doesn't mean "city". Istanbul comes from Constantinople (Constantinoupolis in Greek = City of Constantine, Kostantiniyye or İstanbul in Turkish) the name given to the village of Byzantium by Constantin I the Great once he moved the capital of the Roman Empire in the middle of the empire to better control & organize it. Later capital of the Eastern Roman Empire. "Poli" = city & Poleis = cities in Greek.
ROMANABSOLUT 10 months ago
christ has risen agia sofia will be orthodox again..
koringn 11 months ago
@mouhdie i agree with you.
alvamuri 1 year ago
Hagia Sophie should be made a Christian place of religon again. This church was the centre of the Christian world for a thousand years. I find it an insult to see it as a museum. I am tolerant of all religons but if Europe freely allows Mosques to be built in its borders then the Hagia Sophia should be returned to allow Christian worship there. I do not see this to be a unreasonable request for Turkey.
ADZ01982 1 year ago 10
@ADZ01982
In the North Cyprus,occupaid airia they converted many churches to ..farms,or deserted,spilling the icones to sell them;other became mosque and personnally I refused to take out my shoes to go in...
This does'nt bother a lot European community.Thank you for your comment...
From Cyprus..
82224561 11 months ago
HAGIA SOPHIA IS GREEK
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MrGiangli 1 year ago
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With the blessing of the Lord Jesus Christ & the Virgin Mary "Hagia Sophia" will one day again be a place to the greeks. Orthodox Christian center. It will be what it once was, the greatest Orthodox Christian Cathedral in the world.
ΠΑΛΙ ΜΕ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΜΕ ΚΑΙΡΟΥΣ ΠΑΛΙ ΔΙΚΙΑ ΜΑΣ ΘΑ ΝΑΙ....
MrGiangli 1 year ago 12
after victory Mehmed alfatih ordered that citizens of all ages who had managed to escape detection were to leave their hiding places throughout the city and come out into the open, as they were remain free and no question would be asked. He further declared the restoration of houses and property to those who had abandoned thecity before the siege, if they returned home, they would be treated according to their rank and religion, as if nothing had changed.
truly1 of the best leaders of all time
TheSabry1991 1 year ago
@TheSabry1991 yer after 3 days of looting raping and pillaging the hagia sophia was the main focus of pillaging
ROBHUGHES1453 1 year ago
The best gift from muslims to East Christians (Orthodox) would be to allow once a year to be heared orthodox chants in Agia Sofia...Something like a religious festival in order to honer the purpose that this church was build centuries ago..Nobody claims anything..
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this shit will be destroyed by next erdquake soon
Timurchin1 1 year ago
the turks are the greatest land grabbers of all time... taking lands from Greece (Eastern Thrace, Constantinople (not Istanbul you bitches), Imbros and Lemnos islands, northern Cyprus and west Anatolia, Armenia, Syria (Antioch not Antalya you goat fuckers). HAGIA SOPHIA IS A CHURCH NOT A FUCKING MOSQUE u put minarets or crescent insignias over the domes but you cannot erase its heritage u fucking muslim turks
melbingkoy 1 year ago 3
@melbingkoy
ayasofyanın minareleri bi tarafına girsin
aksamgunesiim 8 months ago
I wouldnt be worrying about the Hagia Sophia.How about fixing the Greek government and economy first before the country and Europe goes bankrupt.
fromwilliams 1 year ago
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alevonto 1 year ago
this is a greek church and always will be!!and we will remember kwstandinoupoli as a great part of our nation greece!!
bill0bs 1 year ago
Could everyone just stop fucking arguing about the Hagia Sophia! Yes it was originally from Christians and Greeks whatever! That was the past! Forget it! What a shame! You are all arguing like bitches! It's now a museum and it will stay a museum! HAPPY?
0466226745 1 year ago
Bütün insanlar Türkler eleştiren serseri, başlı dick, orospu çocukları kim tecavüz anneleri vardır.
0466226745 1 year ago
Hang on!
First of all, Hagia Sophia (Blue mosque) is a church you moron! It's something called a Muslim mosque!
Second of all, the word "Istanbul" doesn't come from Greek! It's Turkish! It's not like everything is Greek you know.
Third of all, Muslims aren't terrorist! They didn't even do the 9/11! The 9/11 was a conspiracy! The twin tower's' structure was built to be weak, secondly, there was a bomb in the building. Look closely at the 9/11 videos. The building explodes before plane impact!
0466226745 1 year ago
Around 600 years have passed since turkish invasion and occupation
Turks killed thousands of us destroyed our churches
transform this great church into mosque but we survived
Hagia Sophia we promise you that someday you will be our church
and turks will return from where they come from i mean central asia
alevonto 1 year ago
@alevonto
Turkish army was defending themselves dickhead! Everyone came for us, but we kicked their asses!
0466226745 1 year ago
@0466226745 Turkish army are animals they rape and destroy
our churches
one day we will destroy your country
turks will return to mongolia
Byzantine empire will return
americans or british wont save you
alevonto 1 year ago
@alevonto
byzantine empire gone to hell and no return back
aksamgunesiim 8 months ago
May 29, never forget !!!!!!!
LeMousqueteerBleu 1 year ago
Jesus will be here soon to claim his city and his Cathedral very soon. When you feel the earth shake beneath your feet in Constantinople that just might be the day!
Colts4ever123 1 year ago
The biggest Orthodox church in the world-Cathedral of Saint Sava in Belgrade was built in a style similar to Hagia Sophia-the style is called the Serbian-Byzantine stil.Pogledajte on you tube clip of the temple
milos504 2 years ago
Sofiyskiy sobor mojet bït preobrazovan v cherkov snova, no ya ne mogu verutsya k mecheti. Poskobky cherkov arhitektura pozvolyet tolko hristianskogo bogoslijeniya.
IIJigsaW 2 years ago
is it me, or did George Lucas get his idea of the Naboo Palace in Star Wars Episode 1 from the Hagia Sophia?
rothril 2 years ago
Hagia Sophia (the Church of Holy Wisdom), now known as the Ayasofya Museum, is a former Eastern Orthodox church converted to a mosque in 1453, converted into a museum in 1935, in the Turkish city of Istanbul. It is universally acknowledged as one of the greatest buildings of the world and sometimes considered the Eighth Wonder of the World. Its conquest by the Ottomans at the fall of Constantinople is considered one of the great tragedies of Christianity by the Greek Orthodox faithful.
mouhdie 2 years ago
is it the church that moslems converted it to a mosque?
mouhdie 2 years ago
@mouhdie unfortunately yes
byzantinecaesar 1 year ago 3
It is a crime against humanity and religion to convert a church to a mosque. What kind of peace moslems do claim? Killing, Stealing people property, and destroying their properties are considered peace in islam.
mouhdie 1 year ago 31
i agree with you my friend :)
byzantinecaesar 1 year ago 2
@ mouhdie: before naming conversions as crime, remind the mosques in spain which were converted into churches after moors were sent exile and jews were massacred by holy christian armies!!!Moreover Hagia Sophia is not a mosque today, it's a museum (which is also wrong in my opinion, it must be serving as our great mosque!!)
@Colts4ever123: we will be waiting for your humanly shaped god ;)
fuimaranwe 1 year ago
@mouhdie, when Muslims talk of peace, they only mean peace amongst themselves. They could care less about peace with other people who are not Muslim. Not to mention the fact that their "Holy Book" the Q'uran says that its okay to do these things.
TheSacredHeart2 1 year ago
@mouhdie what the fuck u on about. your actually pathetic. its the most respectful thing you could do, the christian mosiacs were not chucked in the bin but rather covered along with the christian artifects and others. remember that the byzantines were enemys of the turks at the time and they city was not sacked. hagia sophia was in terrible condition at the time. also the city was sacked in 1204 by the crusaders, so go accuse ur religion christianity of being barbaric, not islam
moee12 1 year ago
@mouhdie
What have you got against us Muslims? We weren't murderers! Even the 9/11 was a complete conspiracy! The 9/11 was a conspiracy! The twin tower's' structure was built to be weak, secondly, there was a bomb in the building. Look closely at the 9/11 videos. The building explodes before plane impact! America did it themselves! Aren't I clear to you people!?
0466226745 1 year ago
@mouhdie: so, what kind of peace christians do claim if they converts mezquita in cordoba to a cathedral?
tauchindra 1 year ago
@mouhdie well, every religion offers some kind of a peace, and if you take christians, they did inquisitions, the crusades...
What i mean is, don't try to understand a religion by its followers. Get a Kuran or Bible, whatever, and see how YOU understand it in the way of acting and behaving.
It's the Ottoman Rule, who converted Hagia Sophia to a mosque, it's not especially an Islamic thing. O-T-T-O-M-A-N. It's different. (although, i don't support it =))
ctimur 1 year ago
@mouhdie also, what i read about this is, Fatih Sultan Mehmed (Fatih The Conqueror), enters the Hagia Sophia on this horse right after the conquest of Istanbul. He takes a look around, and says with no hasitation: "We're keeping this place."
He could have it demolished, right? =) It would be a bigger victory. This behavior is a way of appreciating the Christianity of Anatolia and Istanbul in my opinion. And also some other stuff.
ctimur 1 year ago
@mouhdie If you visit here, Istanbul someday, or maybe you already have, you'll see that, every mosque built after the conquest looks like Hagia Sophia. That's why, mosques in Turkey do look different than those in other muslim countries.
Regards from Istanbul =)
ctimur 1 year ago
when turkey was defeated under the Ottoman Muslim empire...the land is now the MUslim territory..so its no crime to turn it into a mosque...
wat with the mosques converted to cathedrals and churches in spain??its their right...international rules of war!
TheSabry1991 1 year ago
@TheSabry1991 BUT it was churches at the first place
wmino 1 year ago
@TheSabry1991 Turkey isnt a muslim country
ROBHUGHES1453 1 year ago 3
@ROBHUGHES1453 ya it is. check your facts
weirdcanbgood2 1 year ago
@weirdcanbgood2 It has no state religion therefore is not a muslim country.
ROBHUGHES1453 1 year ago
@ROBHUGHES1453 don't confuse laicism with atheism. tukey is the epitome of an islamic colony. the crescent became the symbol of islam after the fall of constantinople. turkey is a muslim country with secular (military) administration (built on christian blood and bones)
zragisha 2 months ago
@mouhdie
was haben die kreuz züge gemacht noch schlimmer
wir haben euch frieden und kultur gebracht
ihr habt ja islam fubie
celikocelik 1 year ago
@mouhdie
oh my god, this church was converted hundreds of years ago when human rights did not exist, who cares
if it had happened some years ago, your complaint would be ok
in Lybia, in Tripoli, one of the most beautiful cathedrals in Northern Africa was converted to a mosque in the last fifty years, we should complain about this example because it is a recent event
and today the Hagia Sophia is a museum, not a mosque
crikvenicabiel 8 months ago
you stupid. you know what the history of Turkey? Originally the mosque was not the church. Christianity is cruel that are willing to kill people and to force Muslims into Christians, if not they will be killed. you are not a scientist or archaeologist. do not say arbitrarily, while the writings of al-Quran is older than the paintings and patterns made by the Christians in the building.
ctmets 6 months ago
@ctmets \The Christian building is older than islam itself. It is proven. You muslims pilleged Christian land and murder innocent women and children and raped them. The people were forced to cnvert under a sword. The quran is a book made of 300 other books called the quran compiled by a sultan and made into one book.
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you stupid(mouhdie). you know what the history of Turkey? Originally the mosque was not the church. Christianity is cruel that are willing to kill people and to force Muslims into Christians, if not they will be killed. you are not a scientist or archaeologist. do not say arbitrarily, while the writings of al-Quran is older than the paintings and patterns made by the Christians in the building.
ctmets 6 months ago
Christians are willing to do whatever it takes to close the history of the world but now modern. scientists are now able to differentiate what is correct and not so well with the age thing or old buildings.
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@mouhdie you stupid. you know what the history of Turkey? Originally the mosque was not the church. Christianity is cruel that are willing to kill people and to force Muslims into Christians, if not they will be killed. you are not a scientist or archaeologist. do not say arbitrarily, while the writings of al-Quran is older than the paintings and patterns made by the Christians in the building.
ctmets 6 months ago
@mouhdie it's a museum right now. it's not a church nor a mosque.
aporia82 6 months ago 2
@mouhdie
For goodness sake! Stop saying Moslem! It's Mu-slim! Muslim! Can't you all spell or do you all just hate Muslims you fuck tards!
0466226745 1 year ago
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pralibaba 2 years ago
it is silly...it was named Costantinoupoli(constantine's city) or Poli (city) who built agia sofia and the whole byzantium and they now call it istanbul that means "to the city"...even the name means the same...
omgsawyer 2 years ago
Several Ionic pillars of Hagia Sophia were taken from the Temple of Artemis in Ephesus(one of the seven wonders of the ancient world which burned down on the night of Alexander's birth). Much stonework was taken from Troy which was used a quarry.
HankQuinIan 2 years ago
Very beautiful church!!!Huggies Perla.
perla51 2 years ago
It would have been fascinating to see this under construction, and the Dome being repaired, thankfully when it changed hands nobody destroyed it, like the Parthenon, apparently even the enemies have an eye for artistic beauty.
1vdn992 2 years ago
me ta xronia kai me kerous...pali dika mas tha einai...with the ages and the days...IT WILL BE OURS AGAIN!!!
greeknik1 2 years ago
When Turks would intercept travelers on their way to Constantinople, they would ask them 'Where are you going?"
"Es...stan....pol" is a turkish translation of the Greek words "I go (to the) City".
raykaelin 2 years ago
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That building is one of those ugly places on earth..
Especially inside ..
Like all xian churches it is doom % gloom inside ..
You dont fell you are in the presence of god ..
Such a sense of foreboding ..
No wonder we changed it into a museum ..
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Istanbul deserves better edifices ..
fan5x 2 years ago
the church is from the 6th century it is one of the oldest churches in the world. show respsect.
nickpafras 2 years ago
C★ Istanbul since 1453 C★
fromwilliams 2 years ago
istanbul is a greek word and means city .. stimbolis ... it was istanbul before 1453 too... and actually it was constantiniyye in ottoman records, not istanbul..
fuentes83 2 years ago 21
@fuentes83 istanbul, the word which is derived from its original: constantinopolis, means city of constantin.
ctimur 1 year ago
@ctimur constantinopolis is right, but usage of stimboli (now istanbul, and means simply "city" in greek) was common. now the istanbul word is derived from stimboli, not constantinople.
fuentes83 1 year ago
@fuentes83 yeah we know that, so what ?
aporia82 1 year ago
@fuentes83
Konstantin-iye was Constantinople in Ottoman meaning place of Constantine, but the original Ottoman name for this town is DERSAADET. Anyway Istanbul was more commonly used among the people, maybe because its easier and faster to pronounce. When you say the name you almost dont say the first character, like _Stanbul.
zicco26 6 months ago
constinople before that! hah
macky111222 2 years ago
Colts, I hate to say this and with all due respect I have heard the bible has been corrupted over time. Look at Europe today people are abandoning Christianity like it is a plague.The Christian values and teachings are being lost to the almighty dollar and greed.
fromwilliams 2 years ago 3
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PebbledBeach 2 years ago
@PebbledBeach
It was because they became Muslims and renamed it. Turkey nowadays is a Muslim country. You see now? :)
0466226745 1 year ago
Constantinole is still the New Rome. The title has never been taken away,other than by barbaric wars. We never approved Charlemange to be Emperor no did we approve his Filloque, this was not done by any Council. Charlamange was appointed by a Pope with out the Power or the right to approve sucha person,since then the destructution of the Church began, and to this day the Vatican plays possum to all unity efforts to appease the people.behind the scenes it is in fear of Serbia,Greece,Russia,etc.
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
Muslims also believe in God and in Jesus.Its been 556 years since The Hagia has been under the Turks. To disrespect this is to disrespect God.
fromwilliams 2 years ago
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From you beleive that Jesus was a Prophet, But remeber when Mohammed was apon the mountain and was grabbed by the Arch Angel Gabriel and he Gave him Many Revelations, I wonder who did not express the virgin birth or the resurrection on Paschal sunday? Was it Mohammed that lied or the Arch Angel Gabriel?
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
For some reason, God (the Holy Trinity) allowed Constantinople to fall to the godless Muslims. There is a tradition that before the world ends the Divine Liturgy, which was stopped when the church was taken over, will be completed. How great it must have been to hear the great saints preach in Agia Sophia. What a blessing. God bless all Orthodox Christians.
athosrose 2 years ago
For those narrow minded moron who just blaiming and mocking the turks and muslim for the past history just look at your own ugly history...Christian kill muslim in spain during the inquisition, if wasn't for the muslim europe is still trap in old frigged middle ages christian teaching and all of you live in wooden and mud made stucture, the peasant is always a peasent and the lord is always greedy and oppresing no sense of just, your food have no spice and tasteless and your priest teaching myth
badaktanduk3 2 years ago 2
Christ is in your Midst, beware there are also 300 million morons breathing down your throat waiting for obama to pull out the troops.
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
This is the deeds of the Catholic Church, not the Orthodox church, which has remained pure.
Lysandros 2 years ago
Correct Lysandros back then to be Roman was to be Greek, To be Greek was to be Roman, The Apostles did not write the epistles in Latin they wrote them in Greek.Pure KOINE GREEEK
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
Be grateful the Turks did not bulldoze it
fromwilliams 2 years ago 2
it would not fall, but if they did, there would be no more turkish DNA if there is such a thing , or their bulldozers.
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
It's a holy deed,to once regain the lost territories of the byzantine empire, which is actually the REAL christian empire since its connected to jesus
gaastra12 2 years ago
You are correct, Christ rules that City not the ottomans he awaits in paitence for his triumphunt return, or the return of the Orthordox carrying the great Holy Cross tto put atop the Dome that has been missing for so many years.
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
disgusting how those barbarian turk bastards vandalised one of the most beautiful churches in the world, destroying many paintings and putting ugly islamic signs on it, which are obviously ugly looking...
gaastra12 2 years ago
I agree, my friend, leave it to Satan worshipping Muslims to destroy anything holy. . . if the Muslims were so good they wouldn't have taken over an innocent city to begin with.
cultusdeus 2 years ago
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soxprid1123 2 years ago
HAGIA SOPHIA:
from Jesus
to Muslims since 1453
fromwilliams 2 years ago 3
and back to Jesus very soon!
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
Me1i, you are welcome. "Force of Arms", in Latin referred to as Vi et Armis or Armorum VI, I am sure will be included in your essay. Just a reminder also that we are all descendants and have become the successors in title to the goods taken from our ancestors by 'Force of Arms" which applies directly to the Hagia. Good luck with the essay.
fromwilliams 2 years ago 2
omw thanx for that information!! i'm writing an art history test tomorrow and we write about the hagia sophia aswell yay!!!!
Me1li 2 years ago
Its a museum now, For everyone to enjoy. Thank you Turkish people.
gordak 2 years ago 3
from a mosque to a museam..how can that possibly be sommet good, oh im sorry u lookin at it through a secular non religious point of view!?
newcastleatz 2 years ago
"Force of Arms", in Latin referred to as Vi et Armis or Armorum VI, in which ownership has always been established by force; originally by the "Force of Arms" and latterly by the force of law. We are all descendants and have become the successors in title to the goods taken from our ancestors by 'Force of Arms". As stated The Hagia Sophia belongs rightfully to the Turkish Government and therefore they are under no moral obligations.
fromwilliams 2 years ago 2
Well than, we`ll just have to take it back won`t we.
bishop102 2 years ago
stolen by the turks!
facefilms87 2 years ago
History is cyclical my friend, someday the church and the great city itself may be restored.
HouseofAtreus01 2 years ago
lets hope so there are still pages from the church that are being kept hidden, old manuscripts written by priests back then etc no one knows this becuase my friends dad works in intelligence and is good friends with the cleric of the now mosque hagia sofia.
facefilms87 2 years ago
Now its a museum, not a mosque
ItsFreaky 2 years ago
How about you Greeks concentrate on trying to fill the churches you already have.From what I hear numbers for church-goers are dropping.
fromwilliams 2 years ago
so i see you have been visiting
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
"Force of Arms" is a completely legitimate way of transferring ownership of territory,treasure and artifacts etc, even when good guys lose. Just ask the Americans they are experts on "Force of Arms". The Hagia Sophia belongs rightfully to the Turkish Government and therefore they are under no moral obligations.
fromwilliams 2 years ago
No Obligations, We will take that obligation. Period!
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
The Golden Gates await paleologos! This is your Curse Turkey .. Paleologos, figure it out...... HA Ha Ha !
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
Fatih Sultan Mehmed sent a request that Constantinople be given to him without a war, but the emperor decided to fight, if Constantinople was given without a fight, then Hagia Sophia would have still been remaning as a church.
FinalFantassyyy 2 years ago
if i send you a request either leave your house or i will take it by force , what will you do?
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
lol i could say the same for you, for greece could not be greece without conquests of many cities. It is stupid to compare a house which belongs to a land, to land itself.
FinalFantassyyy 2 years ago
He would have made the same things he did in real... he was a barbar, ignorant of art and truth, a shame that his grave is in the Hagia Sophia
Hellenic04 2 years ago
Thats crap. Even if the byzantines would havegiven him the city, he would have convert the Agia Sophia.
What a Barbar!
Rhomios 2 years ago
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There is no need to worry, sons of the Ottomans shall rise, and Hagia Sophia rightfully shall be converted into a mosque, as the conqueror of the greatest city wished. Fatih Sultan Mehmed, ceaser of East Rome, age 21.
FinalFantassyyy 2 years ago
.....and then you'll see another dream, fucking Turk.
PeterFaster 2 years ago
I may see a dream, but you're gonna be the one having nightmares.
FinalFantassyyy 2 years ago
well, for the time being, till we "welcome" you.......FUCK OFF !
PeterFaster 2 years ago
Where is it seen that you welcome someone to their own house? Istanbul is ours. It's real owner, Fatih Sultan Muhammed the blessed.
FinalFantassyyy 2 years ago
constaninople is byzantine and fatih sultan is cursed god bless emperor constantine the great knight may he rest in peace in paradise
theodrethecoptic2 2 years ago
You have been cursed by the deaths of the Genocides you have committed, you have been cursed by the Holy Wisdom because you have desecrated and belittled his Cathedral and home dedicated and consecrated by the early church fathers to him, you are cursed you have my familys blood on your hands and do not bat an eye, I am not God I do not Forgive but jesus awaits paitently!
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
I understand your point of view. And I give you full credits for wanting Hagia Sophia, one of the finest artifacts created to this day. You stand by your ancestors side and I stand by mine, in the end, stronger shall win, it's simple as that. Remember though, Constantinople was taken by force, if you were to give it to Fatih Sultan Mehmed conqueror, Hagia Sophia still would have been a church. Unfortunately for you, you decided to fight, thus the price of Hagia Sophia was rightfully earned.
FinalFantassyyy 2 years ago
"Remember though, Constantinople was taken by force, if you were to give it to Fatih Sultan Mehmed conqueror, Hagia Sophia still would have been a church. Unfortunately for you, you decided to fight, thus the price of Hagia Sophia was rightfully earned" Not quite. does not make sense.
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
I can t help but write,i keep reading the comments and god how bigoted you are!!By the way you talk as if byzantines were angels with wings,this is history every nation killed people for land,and if those should be cursed there should be no german or serbian (what they did in srebrenitsa was inhuman) in the world.I don t approve or boast about thisbut what christians forgets that ur god is also muslim s god they do respect jesus,by the way prophets are just prophets ,divine god not to human!
paradoxicallyinpara 2 years ago
@paradoxicallyinpara You left out your angels the mujahadeen
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
my angels?It s arabic bullshit! have you ever met a turkish personally?I met greeks and we had no problems among us ,but people like you are the slaves of propagandas they want you to hate and you hate,they want you to fight you fight..A hateful person cannot believe in god,!!
paradoxicallyinpara 2 years ago
@paradoxicallyinpara like i said you again do not take responsibility for the muslim mujahadeen and thier terror in the balkans. and by the way i eat at turkish restaurants 2-3 times a week.
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
i think you re obsessed with mujahadeen simply connecting everything with them,I don t even accept the concept of mujahadeen because religion is personal , between god and yourself, forcing someone to become religious is tyrannism and by the way, you hate turkish people but at least you have no hatred for food,good of you:)
paradoxicallyinpara 2 years ago
@paradoxicallyinpara wrong, the war in bosnia has a 2 sided story, the serbs may not have been angels but i will not accept the fact that the other side sat like ducks waiting to be shot at they have many skeletons also to provoke this anger.
i forgive as my god tells me to to forget is hard when you have lost family at the hands of the turk. as far my religion it is a peaceful faith. wE DO NOT BLOW UP TOWERS,PEOPLE,AIRPLANES.SLAUGHTER PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF aLLAH
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
we ALSO do not do these kind of shits , they are fanatics, people who are brainwashed, no matter what religion you believe it is forbidden to kill people,it is unbelieveable and inhuman,my family,my friends,the people around me are not like this and we all hate who slaughter somebody in the name of so called god,it is funny to even believe that these ones are doing it in the name of god,killing what god created,what reflects god in the earth!
paradoxicallyinpara 2 years ago
@paradoxicallyinpara Then AMEN !
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
Hagia Sophia , Agia Triada, With your Guidance, the gates will open again.
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
One day Byzantium will be reclaimed for the west
HouseofAtreus01 2 years ago
Byzantium is still alive, one reason why Turkey still is in control is because of the USA. In 1980 Greece was going to attack Turkey at her weakest point but the CIA talked her out of it? Turkey a strategic location ? NO! There are other countries to the west. They fear the rise of Byzantium Orthodoxy to the North (Russia) to the South (Greece) along with Serbia,Romania,Bulgaria, Armenia.The Ukraine Now the Pope would not like that,neither would the USA. But Byzantium is alive and well !
Colts4ever123 2 years ago 3
damn the usa cia dogs and god help all the byzantines and orthodox in all the world (coptic=egyptian orthodox)
theodrethecoptic2 2 years ago
May God Bless all Coptic Orthodox, our Brothers in Faith, and all Orthodox around the world!
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
Christian should demolish the Church that they have built inside the Grand Mosque of Cordova in Spain and should hand the mosque back to Muslims.
aristotleuk 2 years ago
And Muslims should demolish all the Mosques they have built inside Christian Churches, first of all the Great Church of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople.
GeorgeEconomou 2 years ago 4
Were the Muslims Squatting on Spanish land at the time? Like the Turks which in Reality do not have a DNA are Squatting on the Bosphorous and Anatolia? Is Hagia Sophia a Cathedral that Belongs To Jesus Christ or one that has been desecrated at the hands of the Islamic Turks? They talk freedom of Religion, The world has yet to see that, Cyprus is still under invasion where is the international community, Like always afraid, chickens, But they will attack (Nato) a Christian Country
Colts4ever123 2 years ago
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IchKommeAufJotunheim 2 years ago
Mine is Genetic evidence. Yours is just what some guy said.
IchKommeAufJotunheim 2 years ago
some guy hahahahahahah man ur more pathetic than i thought so what a guy didnt do ur tests it was a martian or an alien from uranus hahahhaa lol
tsigouni2 2 years ago
. . . dendrograms and correspondence analyses.
IchKommeAufJotunheim 2 years ago
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Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian)
people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both
Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305,
*0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310.
Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan
groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster
with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining . . .
IchKommeAufJotunheim 2 years ago
You said "and i aint racist u little prick i just hate monglians"
"man u fuckers really have no idea y huh ur all a bunch of monkeys sand niggers ur like a bunch of cocaroches."
Well that sounds like racism so sorry, you're an idiot.
NeoByzantineWay 2 years ago
y do u keep on changing on changing the subject? what about always saying the truth quit repeating urself its begining to get stupid
tsigouni2 2 years ago
Just keep lieing. Its what you do. You aren't a racist but racial slurs just slide your way.
NeoByzantineWay 2 years ago
u asshole how am i lieing when i am say the truth about how i feel u should learn how to say the truth little man
and quit changing the subject u havent answered yet and i am sure that u are not going to answer
tsigouni2 2 years ago
Are you fucking retarded? He thinks you are lieing because you said you weren't a racist but you ethnic slurs. Fuck you are handicapped. Turks are White-Asians mixed. Greeks have Ethiopian DNA. Stupid fucking untermensch.
IchKommeAufJotunheim 2 years ago
yeah bitch turks are half greek and half chinese
tsigouni2 2 years ago
@tsigouni2
Actually, the original Turks came from the Far East. Or was it Asia?
0466226745 1 year ago
i guess u are all from greek seed
tsigouni2 2 years ago
Im Nordic, not Greek and have no Greek decedants or Greek blood.
IchKommeAufJotunheim 2 years ago