One of the most critical points you made deals with the fact that under her method of parenting, children develop a debilitating dependency on external motivators. People greatly underestimate how potentially devastating this can be.
As someone who has had relations with people who have suffered under literal slavery, I can testify that your crutch analogy is gravely accurate. The will - individual determination, passion - is a muscle of the soul that can atrophy to the point of no return.
@kristopheraugust Yes, it is indeed rare to find someone who excels in a given paradigm while strongly challenging that paradigm. I was actually such a person during my schooling, but this earned me no shortage of resentment among many (though not all) other academically accomplished peers. The same phenomenon can be observed in later academia. Those who study a given theorist's work, for instance, are overwhelmingly admirers because of self-selection and peer reinforcement.
What do you think of Nature vs Nuture? Do you think a child's upbringing has a great or lesser impact on a child's potential, or do you believe it is something 'inate' in the child?
@JacobPelka Thank you, and an excellent question! I shall have to make a video on this subject, as it requires some elaboration. I will say for now that I am not a genetic determinist and do not believe that genes can foreordain the potential of the child. However, I also do not think that upbringing is everything; a child can exhibit a range of reactions to the same upbringing. The environment can offer more or fewer opportunities to the child, but it is up to the child to pursue them.
@ZombieX13 I would attribute this to the strong disciplinarian streak in much of contemporary American conservatism -- a streak I very much disagree with.
@XOmniverse I am somewhat familiar with the concept, but I have not read on it in depth. My impression is that it can work quite well when the child's environment is set up to facilitate a natural motivation in learning and self-improvement. Its effectiveness would also probably increase as the child becomes older.
Calling her children "garbage" for the occasional disobedience is verbal abuse and I see no justification for this at all. I'm not Chinese at all, but my parents tried this with me and it didn't work. This approach to me made me resent my parents for this.
I like most of the Chinese people I meet, but they have this weird aversion to philisophical though in general. Its like they are programmed to lack any explicit ideology. Even the stupid hics I have grown up in the midwest had opinions, but all the chinese people I met avoid the topic at all costs. Maybe its because they are taught not to or maybe because its hard to talk about those things in english. Not sure.
@dadrogon I might be that in more authoritarian, collectivist culture, people are taught to only form such opinions if they themselves become an authority figure.
@dadrogon I think part of what you observe may arise from the doublethink that many Chinese have been forced to espouse with regard to communism in their home country. The regime has dispensed with many of the economic structures of communism, while still paying lip service to it and retaining some of the old political oppressions. So, at least in the political arena, many Chinese are not sure what they are “supposed” to believe and so shun the subject altogether.
That being said, I -do- agree with her attack on the Self Esteem movement, though she goes to far in the other direction and falters completely. Like you I am not a parent, but I'm interested in developmental psychology (Not an expert, just interested) Generally, I'm interested what ever parenting techniques best lead to a well developed adult. If that means external discipline, so be it. But it doesnt seem very effective from the research.
I'm going to examine this from a Psychological stand point, with a little bit of ad homonym. Chua's an idiot who believes that the best way to raise your children is preventing them from making there own decisions. This is going to lead massive anxiety in your children when they reach the outside world and are forced to make there own decisions. Things like inhibiting sleep overs and club participation, will actually hurt your ability to net work in a business world.
One of the most critical points you made deals with the fact that under her method of parenting, children develop a debilitating dependency on external motivators. People greatly underestimate how potentially devastating this can be.
As someone who has had relations with people who have suffered under literal slavery, I can testify that your crutch analogy is gravely accurate. The will - individual determination, passion - is a muscle of the soul that can atrophy to the point of no return.
KagarBeardtooth 8 months ago
@KagarBeardtooth Agreed in full. Thank you for these astute observations.
GStolyarovII 8 months ago
What, specifically, do you consider 'Western Civilization?
JacobPelka 1 year ago
@kristopheraugust Yes, it is indeed rare to find someone who excels in a given paradigm while strongly challenging that paradigm. I was actually such a person during my schooling, but this earned me no shortage of resentment among many (though not all) other academically accomplished peers. The same phenomenon can be observed in later academia. Those who study a given theorist's work, for instance, are overwhelmingly admirers because of self-selection and peer reinforcement.
GStolyarovII 1 year ago
You'd be a wonderful father Gennady. =)
What do you think of Nature vs Nuture? Do you think a child's upbringing has a great or lesser impact on a child's potential, or do you believe it is something 'inate' in the child?
JacobPelka 1 year ago
@JacobPelka Thank you, and an excellent question! I shall have to make a video on this subject, as it requires some elaboration. I will say for now that I am not a genetic determinist and do not believe that genes can foreordain the potential of the child. However, I also do not think that upbringing is everything; a child can exhibit a range of reactions to the same upbringing. The environment can offer more or fewer opportunities to the child, but it is up to the child to pursue them.
GStolyarovII 1 year ago
Excellent video.
the9564 1 year ago
@the9564 Thank you!
GStolyarovII 1 year ago
I found it strange that Michael Savage praised this article by Ms. Chua.
ZombieX13 1 year ago
@ZombieX13 I would attribute this to the strong disciplinarian streak in much of contemporary American conservatism -- a streak I very much disagree with.
GStolyarovII 1 year ago
What do you think of unschooling? Are you familiar with it?
XOmniverse 1 year ago
@XOmniverse I am somewhat familiar with the concept, but I have not read on it in depth. My impression is that it can work quite well when the child's environment is set up to facilitate a natural motivation in learning and self-improvement. Its effectiveness would also probably increase as the child becomes older.
GStolyarovII 1 year ago
Calling her children "garbage" for the occasional disobedience is verbal abuse and I see no justification for this at all. I'm not Chinese at all, but my parents tried this with me and it didn't work. This approach to me made me resent my parents for this.
gir908922 1 year ago 2
I like most of the Chinese people I meet, but they have this weird aversion to philisophical though in general. Its like they are programmed to lack any explicit ideology. Even the stupid hics I have grown up in the midwest had opinions, but all the chinese people I met avoid the topic at all costs. Maybe its because they are taught not to or maybe because its hard to talk about those things in english. Not sure.
dadrogon 1 year ago
@dadrogon I might be that in more authoritarian, collectivist culture, people are taught to only form such opinions if they themselves become an authority figure.
XOmniverse 1 year ago
@dadrogon I think part of what you observe may arise from the doublethink that many Chinese have been forced to espouse with regard to communism in their home country. The regime has dispensed with many of the economic structures of communism, while still paying lip service to it and retaining some of the old political oppressions. So, at least in the political arena, many Chinese are not sure what they are “supposed” to believe and so shun the subject altogether.
GStolyarovII 1 year ago
That being said, I -do- agree with her attack on the Self Esteem movement, though she goes to far in the other direction and falters completely. Like you I am not a parent, but I'm interested in developmental psychology (Not an expert, just interested) Generally, I'm interested what ever parenting techniques best lead to a well developed adult. If that means external discipline, so be it. But it doesnt seem very effective from the research.
RomeoCo 1 year ago
I'm going to examine this from a Psychological stand point, with a little bit of ad homonym. Chua's an idiot who believes that the best way to raise your children is preventing them from making there own decisions. This is going to lead massive anxiety in your children when they reach the outside world and are forced to make there own decisions. Things like inhibiting sleep overs and club participation, will actually hurt your ability to net work in a business world.
RomeoCo 1 year ago