If this worked wouldn't we all be healed by now. Seriously, what a bunch of quackery. This is just sexed up alternative medicine with no basis in scientific fact.
Doctors also can be FRAUD AND FAKE! Doctors: Here, Let me prescribe all the pills you need to feel better Ahahaha.... Oh wait Pain Killers is the way to go! Oh wait How about we get more testings to figure it out what you have, but for now let me prescribe you some more SHIT for you to take. Gosh, what a JOKE!
Part 3: You need to spend time with Dr. Steven Kuslich.. he provided an invitation many years ago to bring chiro's into the surgical room so they can learn once and for all subluxations don't exist. google him
Part 2: Crelin showed one has to break spine to re-create chiro subluxation; ACA made fools of themselves when they criticized Crelin by saying Crelin was using Cadavers invalidating study because the living spine is less likely to sublux because of natural muscular restraints. Convenient study often forgotten by chiro's.
Nerve connections R not new,sayingg there was a subluxation is pure assumption... You have to pick one of 100 diff definitions of a sublux & say which it is.. studies show chiro's can't even agree on x-ray film what a sublux is.. also natural anatomically shaped vertebrae takes palpation out of picture.(See Part 2)
You need to start calling your hypotheses, hypotheses or at least theories. Speaking in conclusives on issues that have never been proven scientifically is why people will call you a quack. Say, "The theory is......" Qualify yourself that 'we don't know if this actually affects organs this way or that way, etc..." but this is what we believe is happening.
@noclassatall you are sooooo wrong here. Chiropractic is not even close to allopathy. It is in essence all about physiology and cell function. The brain controls it all so if the info getting too and from the brain is bad it will affect your health. Chiropractic recognise 3 classes of stressors namely Physical, Emotional and Chemical. That covers toxins, nutrition, exercise, safety, stress, etc...... Chiropractic is Holistic, Vitalistic and created the Wellness concept. Naturopathy also great!
@noclassatall ever heard of the vagus nerve? Simple anatomy... however you probably are not up to date with the neuro anatomy that has found the feedback loops of the cranial nerves via C2. Yes processed food can cause reflux and so can 20 other things. One of these being stress and since chiropractic adjustments can shut off a chronic over-active stress response it can affect reflux in this way. I have a number of patients that has reported that their reflux stopped once they started care
In my opinion, this "science" was cutting edge when D.D. Palmer practiced but in the 1900s but is severely out of date now. Chiropractors beget other chiropractors. Subluxation theory is laughable.unless you are billing medicare for treating them.
Back crackers are a complete fraud. The "adjustment" is actually foolish. alot or all of the information may be true, but the act of popping gas out of the synovial fluid, which creates a "cracking sound", has nothing to do with "realigning" anything. its the outer-limits of quackery.
And NO, they are not doctors, Their lucrative association forced (paid for) a court ruling that legally calls them doctors. They are nincompoops. Not respected.
@headlesssoldier unfortunately the profession has stuck to the "bone out of place" model because it is easier to explain than talking about sensory disafferentation affecting the neural pathways and causing misrepresentation of the body function to the brain (cortex, cerebellum and brainstem) cause dissociation of nerve mimpulses affecting both axonal and neurotransmitter function at global and cellular level.
@headlesssoldier Doctors also can be FRAUD AND FAKE! Doctors: Here, Let me prescribe all the pills you need to feel better Ahahaha.... Oh wait Pain Killers is the way to go! Oh wait How about we get more testings to figure it out what you have, but for now let me prescribe you some more SHIT for you to take. Gosh, what a JOKE!
Chiropractors are doctors. (But not the prescription dealers like the medical doctor you are probably thinking of.) They undergo a very intense 4 year graduate program after undergraduate school. I'm not sure why you have such aggression towards the issue; but I insist you try to learn a bit more about it. It's incredibly effective; there is just a large amount of misinformation out there.
I just learned that chiro was alternative medicine. I always thought it was just a name for a "back specialist" and uncontroversial. I'm trying to find criticism against chiro, but all I find is arguments against intelligent spines and curing of headaches etc., for which I haven't checked for evidence yet. I just want to know if it at least can cure back pain without having treatment regularly (possible "pay-per-visit" bias).
There is zero scientific evidence that this ridiculous practice 'works', and its basis is laughable. Anybody been following the recent Somon Singh case? Yes, the claims of chiropractic are bogus and dishonest. Sue me!
I have severe problems with my spine. So much so that if I don't get help it eventually leaves me almost completely paralyzed from the waist and hips down, with incredible pain my lower back and hips. I will actually fall and can even fall out of a chair and not be able to sit up. I can not afford to go have surgery, but each time, this has happened to me, my husband or my mother has taken me to see a Chiropractor. I'm not gonna list his name. But after 3 visits, he'll have me back to normal.
@sasperilla23 I don't mean to pry but what is your lifestyle like? Would you say that you get very much physical activity or that you eat a healthy diet? What, specifically do you mean when you say that you were "almost completely paralyzed"? That you literally had lost motor function of your body or that you were in some degree of pain? Being in pain when you move is not the same thing as being unable to move as far as the term "paralysis" is concerned. I study these things and am just curios.
@BandofSorensons I actually lose control of my lower body from the hips down, and have really bad pain in my lower spine. I am starting to think I have a herniated disk or something. When it gets really bad, I've been laid out in bed and the area around that part of my lower spine swells so I need a cold pack. As for my life style, I am over weight, I have an admitted eating disorder and over eat, and also have PCOS. You'll have to look that one up since it would take too much to explain here
@sasperilla23 Thank you for sharing with me. I think that you can overcome these health problems for sure, though I'm not sure about PCOS. I think that I tend to overeat also but I don't gain weight because of the type of foods that I eat everyday. Have you ever taken a nutrition class or read up about healthy eating plans? I used to be obese but learning how to eat, despite my tendency to over do it, has put me well within my recommended BMI. It could also help you prevent gout in the future.
@BandofSorensons Yes, I was prescribed Uloric, but I can't afford it. It costs about $100 per bottle. That's a one month's supply. I do not eat pork, shell fish or turkey xcept in minute pieces. For instance; if someone dropped some sausage on my side of the pizza. I try to drink any type of dark berry juice that I can. At one point I was consuming so many cherries that I got tired of eating them. My gout is so severe, I had a mini surgery to remove some of the acid crystals.
@BandofSorensons At the moment, my financial issues also keep me from eating the ideal healthy diet since I'm not only shopping for myself. I eat raw carrots now, home made salsa with store bought chips, apples, oranges, orange juice, cran-grape juice, and I know those things aren't so bad. Its the Tuna helper and Hamberger Helper, etc that don't help. I know what is making me fat. I know that changing to a raw diet has the huge possibility of actually "curing" my PCOS. I just can't afford it.
@BandofSorensons I am now in a wheel chair as well, as I have severe gout and it has eaten away some of the bone in my left ankle. Since I'm part of the poor in the country, I am not able to afford the surgery as of yet, that would repair it. So i've been in a Wheel chair for a year and a half.
@sasperilla23 I'm sorry to hear that. I hope that you feel much better in the future and that you are able to acquire the care that you need. Have you been prescribed medication for your gout or given any concrete advice about nutrition and gout? I wonder most about the latter because I think far too few people ever learn that there are changes they can make now that can help with gout.
@mascota010 It's "millimeters of mercury" like the old style blood pressure cuffs. How many millimeters of mercury where displaced gives you the measurement of pressure.
@cfqpa BC HE DOESN'T MENTION THE VERTEBRAE TERMS FOR EACH VERTEBRA YOU GET THE IMPRESSION HE DOESN'T KNOW THEM? YOU SOUND LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, AND TRYING TO DISCREDIT THIS MAN... FOOLISH IS WHAT I THINK OF YOU
Subluxation is a word that a chiropractor made up out of thin air years ago, they love using it in their brainwash schticks. Some of these guys will actually tell you that they can cure MS with their adjustments..
I understand some of your guys' skepticism. This guy is just oldschool, and clearly trained in the USA. Subluxation theory really should be discarded, there are other reasons why chiropractic is beneficial but subluxations probably aren't one of them. If you plan on going to a chiro, find one that has been educated in Canada, they receive a far superior education
look up the C.L.E.A.R. institute and their research on chiropractic and scoliosis. I work there and have seen 37deg thoracic cob angle reversed to approx 10deg. I've seen 29 deg go down to close to zero deg. all the time!! seen it with my own eyes time after time. That's the C.L.E.A.R. institute, again. don't let your politics get in the way of your health potential, and especially other people's. there's a place for everything.
I'm a college sophomore, and I'm going into chiropractics, my dad is a chiropractor, he went to national chiropractic college, and is recomending that, where did you go, and what would you recommend?
97% subluxation at the spine where the nerves exited. Ok, but did he then look at all the subluxations of the spine on the SAME cadaver and ascertain whether there was some pathology of the organ correlating with THAT subluxation?? If not, then his test means nothing. Not saying that its not interesting, but its certainly not conclusive unless you look at ALL subluxation and ALL organs innervated by those nerves.
Unfortunate victims of spinal trauma who are left quadraplegic,unable to move the limbs,have no impulses from the brain to travel below the neck.Yet in these patients the organs work without difficulty and diseases dont develop at higher rates.Of course,there are some effects from the disruption of the ANS(eg bladder),but all effects of spinal cord damage are caused by known neurological injury.If subluxation theory were correct,people with high spinal cord injuries would be ravaged by disease.
That is the difference between a dislocation and a subluxation, which is less than a total dislocation. Subluxations do not cause spinal cord injury. What you are referring to is the theory of your own understanding or lack thereof.
I refer you to Thomas Young, shot through the spine in Iraq. He's barely holding his body together. I met him at a screening of the documentary about his story, Body of War, shortly after one of his longer hospitalizations. While I have not yet arrived at a position on chiropractic medicine, I contend some people with spinal cord injuries are quite susceptible to being ravaged by disease.
@lald6103 They do have have higher rates of tumors formation in the organs and the organs don't last as long as average people. Follow the research buddy!
@lald6103 Check your research Quadraplegic victims do have other conditions. But if you understand the spinal cord there are different layers, motor control is in the more superficial tracts where as the autonomic responces are more toward the center. So these patients do have impulses that travel below the neck, just no motor impulses. Look at Christopher Reeves case he had a respirator because his lungs didn't work.
Dr. Winsor decided to investigate this new science and art of healing- chiropractic.
After graduating from medical school, Dr. Winsor was inspired by chiropractic and osteopathic literature to experiment. He planned to dissect human and animal cadavers to see if there was a relationship between any diseased internal organ discovered on autopsy and the vertebrae associated with the nerves that went to the organ. As he wrote:
quack quack quack, subluxation theory is a pile of nonsense, theosteopathic lesion is more realistic but still rather dualistic. this is simply a way for "doctors" of chiropractic to make lots of money and snap your back
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The subluxation theory of disease is totally bunk. A guy named Crelin examined this in the 1970s showed that the "nerve pressure" theory is impossible. The space in the intervertebral foramina are massive in comparison to the nerves exiting the spinal cord.
As an aside, how in the hell did DD Palmer cure Harvey Lillard of his deafness? I've been asking chiropractors all over the place and the only responses I've gotten are half-assed ad hominem attacks.
Limbs are innervated by spinal nerves (i.e. nerves that arise from the spinal cord). The ear carries auditory information via the vestibulocochlear nerve (cranial nerve #8). this nerve arises leaves the skull without going anywhere near the spinal cord/vertebral column.
even if subluxation theory was correct (it isnt) it would be impossible to cure deafness with an upper cervical manipulation.
@lald6103 Gee thanks for the neurology lesson. Ever heard of braggards test? Dorsiflexion of the foot can affect a lumbar spinal lesion. Ergo, un upper cervical legion/subluxation can affect neurology above. And it does! Does chiro claim to cure deafness? Ofc not. Have we proven to improve neurological fxn via adjustment? Ofc we have. Impossible to cure deafness w an adjustment? Lol what a dolt you are. As always.
Apologies for sounding condescending, I don't know what your background is.
Especially when you say things like just now. I employ a straight leg raise test to elicit sciatic nerve involvement which may be due to an impingement. The neuroanatomy is not the same in the skull, especially when we are talking about CH#8.
it works the other way around...organ and ultimately emotional imbalances cause problems in the nervous system which lead to unbalanced muscular tightness next to the spine.Then you make a "false move" and the vertebra moves out of line.
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An execent point and one I wish Id thought of myself... talk about the ultimate "subluxation". Same point i was trying to make with a transplanted heart (or kidney/liver, ect.) but on a much grander scale.
Chiropractic theory would seem to dictate that all such cases must result in cascading organ failure is short order.
I can't claim that the above is an original point - I read something about that recently - on the science-based medicine website. The article is called "chiropractic - a brief overview".
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I 'thot" I told you to what?
Good thing they apparently dont have spelling test to get into chiropractic school.
Mr. Reeves died of sepsis (resulting in heart failure) from a pressure ulcer after many years of quadraplegia, but then again I sure that ulceration was really due to a spinal subluxation.
Im dying to hear how this could have been prevented by proper chiropractic spinal adjustment.
When are you going to give it up and stop shamming you sad profession with every post you write?
As usual bj or should i call you cowy1(your sock puppet), you dodge the relevant point. I said Reeves needed life support to maintain his organ function which was compromised from a severed spinal cord. Wanna disagree with that Mr" the heart runs without nerve energy"? Oh thats right...Youre a doctor. LOL
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My God in heaven is there no end to your ignorance?
I said that after transplantation a heart no longer gets innervation from the spinal cord (and what is "nerve energy" anyway?)
What does chiropractic theory (subluxation/"pressure on a nerve") have to do with cord transection? The two are not the same at all. Anyone with a basic understanding of neuroanatomy can see that... but not you, since it doesnt fit your neat little theory you have to twist it to fit your hopeless, antiquated argument.
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You know just what I meant, and so would any passive reader of that post.
Your so pathetically desperate to latch onto your deliberate misreading of the point because it goes to the very heart of chiropractics theory's great failing-that it falls flat in the face of basic physiologic fact.
All of your infantile name calling and poorly phrased innuendo cant make up for that.
Interesting that your the one avoiding the point at hand, content to post your nastiness and think your taken seriously.
@9pt9 Even if a person feels the need to comment on here, there is no need to throw such a horrible insult of infertility at another being. That is just childish and inappropriate. Please treat others as you'd like to be treated and try focusing your radar for false advertising at the FDA. Now there, my friend, is something to really worry about.
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You and I both know that the phrase "nerve energy" is not used outside of chiropractic and other alternative/new-age mumbo-jumbo terminalogy. That probably explains why you choose to employ such a non-physiologic euphemism... as if I should expect anything less.
I continue to observe that you still havent addressed the point at hand... is that "so the world can see what little u know"?
You are right. Chiropractic is totally false. We dont get results at all! We managed to trick the public to the top of natural healtcare. And the insurance companies don't know we are fake so don't tell them! Especially medicare! Please!!
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You sad pathetic little man (or woman as the case may be)...
Finally resorted to that tired old retorical device as a paper thin dodge, trying avoid an honest and reputable rebutal the point being made here over and over again by your betters... really sad.
At least youve given that potty mouth of yours a break for a change. Maybe theres some hope for you yet.
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It is a fair question, explain to me what nerve energy is. I've had extensive neurobiology and never once did any PhD teaching the course mention "nerve energy". Enlighten us all.
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WTF is nerve energy? I've never seen that in a physiology textbook. Usually they talk about, you know, Na/K pumps and other, more obscure things obviously not covered in chiropracty school.
Tell you what, I'll stop posting if you can explain to me how DD Palmer cured Harvey Lillard's deafness by crackin' his back.
Technically there's no shit in an enema. Stick to commenting on chiropractic vidoes. I'll stick to delivering the real healthcare the public. After all they want it!
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This "nerve going to the heart" example just goes to show what a bunch of bullshit this chiropractic crap really is. patient who have heart transplants no longer have ANY "nerves" connect to the heart-they were cut when the organ was harvested-but still it works. According to this quack it couldnt possibly.
A subluxation noted on autopsy... I dare this guy to sight that little study. I doupt it was ever published in any peer reviewed journal.
Wrong again retard. C1-C5 gray rami communicantes carry sypathetic nerve innervation to the heart. Open any medical antomy book. Your a pretty mouthy ignorant dumbass.
Not once one is transplanted from a donor... or an I missing the surgical step where you microsurgically reconnect the innervation along with the plumbing?
Do you even read what your betters post before retorting like an "ignorant dumbass"...
Try responding to the substance of my point (not that you can)... and try to insult me with something a little more original that what you were apparently called back in junior high before you dropped out.
"Pts that have had heart transplants no longer have ANY nerves".
You dunce. During a heart transplant the sinoatrial node remains intact of the recipient. A heart cannot function without nerve energy. You really believe an organ can function after its nerves are cut? You said you were a doctor. Now we all know you're just a troll.
No nerves connect to the brain via the spinal cord that would (or would not) be effected by manipulation of the vertebrae. My god you people are dense... but Im proud that you actually know about the sinoartial node, thats a big word for you!
Read this and cry you simple minded moron... once an organ is harvested from a donor and subsequently transplanted in to a recipient the prior innervation is no longer intact. If you dont understand that then you dont understand much of anything about human anatomy. Your above article would not apply by definition.
What is with this need own people on youtube... are off your meds again?
The recipients original neurology runs the donated heart. You think the heart just beats on its own? The research article (that you will probably refuse to look it) is hard scientific proof that adjustments to the thoracic spine positively influence the sympathetic chain that has multiple connections to the heart. There are loads of medical studies citing the validity of chiropractic. Not to mention millions of satisfied people. Seriously why are you so against chiropractic?
#1) Spinal manipulation cannot effect the function of the sinoatrial node in a transplant patient, simple fact. Either you dont get that, or you are deliberately dancing around the point.
#2) Nothing in my undergraduate studies in mammalian physiology, graduate program in Osteopathic Medicine, postgraduate residency training and a decade of practice give me any reason to believe that the basic theory behind chiropractic has any scientific validity beyond the basic placebo effect.
I never said adjustments can effect the SA node of a transplanted heart so get off it. What is a proven "medical" fact by medical doctors is adjustments unquestionable improve cardiac output. And you should know all this "doctor". And im sitting infront of a pile of "medical studies" from SPINE, JMPT, et al that show how subluxaton affects joint/disc health, neuroimmunology, organ physiology and pain. Ur a Dr and you haven't read these? Your medical peers seem to think its more than placebo LOL
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JMPT is one of the shittiest journals available, one step above the crap on the magazine rack at your local Wal-Mart. It is mostly filled chiroquackery ads and other various scam products peddled by your "profession".
I am currently a Chiro student in Dallas and over half way with my education. First, our medical doctors are the best in the world when it comes to trauma and therefore I would never discredit that aspect. Second, Chiropractors are the best at restoring motion to vertebral segments. There are multiple issues when dealing with scoliosis and a big one is loss of motion. When any part of your body stops moving, the body will build scar tissue around it. Movement equals blood flow equals healing
no...and don't let them try and tell you different. There has been no proof despite what they claim. Chiropractors don't move bones, like they want you to think. Muscles control bone structure.
hmm...for all of you who are so uneducated about the chiropractic profession and its benefits...I feel sorry for you. I also feel sorry for you in the future when you choose the drug/surgery approach to health care instead of providing yourself the preventive/health approach now! and cowy1...how about you learn how to use the term "chiropractic" appropriately. "chiropracty"??? what is that? wow, it is sad you talk trash on such an important aspect of the total healthcare spectrum.
Most chiro students have a 4 year degree prior to chiro school (due to the requirements of chiro school).
The classes for the first two years of chiro school are very similar to med school. however, after that they differ widely, mainly due to the different clinical aspects of the two.
It doesn't upset me when people disagree with my comments, what does bother me is how often the misinformed try to argue their points. You giving this doc credit means you may think his message makes sense, which is a small victory for chiropractic in itself. Go and check out w-w-w-dot-n-y-c-c-dot-e-d-u. Poke around the site a little and see what you can pick up. In closing, as important as they are (and I love you guys) massage therapists have nowhere near the schooling of a chiropractor.
Finally, the doc in the video may have more experience due to the fact he's been practicing for decades, yes you are absolutley correct. However the fact that "you" may think he knows more than most chiropractors is again simply opinion. The content of his message is pretty basic stuff and isn't anything we don't hear somewhere along the way during our schooling.
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Also the fact that you "think" chiros only learn 1/10 as much as MD's do,well that only shows that you're actually misinformed (like many others out there) as to what is taught in either institutions. I will say that a chiro learns 1/10th of the pharmacology an MD does, that is true. However, thats one of the philosophies of chiropractic..to not rely on chemicals as much as one should rely on their individual ability to heal ones self naturally. You can agree with that or not, your decision.
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Alright, a few things in response: As far as the kid being the dumbest person from your HS, well all I can say is maybe you sold the guy short. I'm sure you didn't have acess to any of his transcipts to know what his grades were or how well he did when he went to college. That being said those comments are simply opinion on your part and therefore completely irrelevant.
You apparently have no clue what a chiropractor learns. We do learn internal medicine infact we're exposed to more internal medicine during our schooling than an MD is. Where an MD get s all his/her knowledge is during their internships. This is where their experience is gathered. Chiro's learn a lot more than just the spine and how to adjust. Do some research and educate yourself. Until then be a smart little monkey and keep quiet!
You are misleading people. Chiropractors LITERALLY learn about 1/10 as much as MD's, especially specialized MD's. One of the dumbest people from my high school, and I mean dumb, just got accepted to a chiropractic school. He could not pass medical school if his life depended on it. "Chiro's" as you call them are slightly more educated Massagers. THis particular guy on the video is much more learned than most Chiropractors.
True story, guy I know from high school who thought Pittsburgh was in Kentucky is about to graduate from chiropracty school with high honors. Chiropracty school is a joke even compared to undergrad.
cowy1 - True story #2: you don't know very much do you? There is, in fact, a city of Pittsburg in Kentucky. Yes, it is spelled differently (it does not end with an "h"). Actually, there are 9 states (CA, IA, IL, KS, KY, MO, NH, OK, TX) with a city/town named Pittsburg (no "h" at the end).
Apparently you wouldn't do too well in "Chiropracty" school - if you could even get admitted.
Research something before you make ignorant comments.
I'm my own chiropractor...I can crack just about every single tendon, ligament, and joint in my body. I remember when I was younger I used to have asthma, and a congested nose. Ever since I got serious with cracking myself I have had no asthma, and no congestion. So as this man may have a point with this spinal correction, you don't need to go to a chiropractor, you can do it yourself easily.
you shouldn't be cracking your own back. If you have pain, I would recommend going to a Chiropractor, not doing it yourself.. trust me I know from my own experience.
Dear DC. You are not trained in traditional internal medicine. Please do not feel so comfortable when you give medical advise about internal medicine. Please focus on only spine which is your only specialty. Please do not cross the border
I am a radiographer in a Chiropractic office in central Virginia and answer this question very often. A properly trained DC can look at the x-rays and immediately know why you are experiencing the pain or discomfort you mentioned. If you live near or in a big city, you should have no problem finding a DC that also specializes in sports medicine that would be able to coach you through some exercises and stretching techniques to keep you from re-injuring problem areas.
thank you very much for the explanation. i really appreciate it. i have been to a lot of medical doctors the only thing they can do with back pain is give some medicenes which doesnt help at all and they never admit they cant help you.
my first chiropractor wasnt a good experience but now i have DACNB chiropractor he really nows what he is doing and it helped me a lot.
personally i think dacnb chiropractors are the best among the chiropractors.
and medical doctors should send patiants with back pain directly to a chiropractor cause they really dont understand the spine at all which can be irritating for patiants.i dont know why MD dont work together with chiropractors !!! it will be better for everyone even for MD but in europe chiropractors are not fully recognised UNFORTUNATELY
The doctor of chiropractic (DC) is trained to notice more subtle differences in the alignment of your spine which can cause pressure on the nerves exiting your spinal column! It's like if you have a break in the coating on an electrical wire, the lamp will flicker or not work at all... same goes for the organs and muscles of your body. Your brain "runs" everything in your body and if it can't effectively "communicate" with your body parts, how can you be totally healthy? (cont..)
If have had x-rays taken of your problem areas: The difference is NOT the x-rays themselves, its the training of the doctor diagnosing from the x-rays. The medical doctor can only treat "broken bones" (or cancer!!) so that is all they will admit is noticeable on an x-ray.
dear doctor i have had these problems. After being to the doctor (GP i'm in the UK), neurologist and a chiropracter they all do not want to accept the possibility that a trapped nerve could be causing my problems. I know it is a trapped nerve in my back because after my back pains started so did the problems. A blood test also revealed a problem in one of my bladder. So who do i go to now ???? seems no one agrees
everytime I roll my head (like in a warm up before excercise) my neck pops. Like in the back more of the left side in the back. It only happens when I roll my neck. I also have uncontrollable hypertension, for years, they have done renal exams and different meds, but nothing seams to work. I have no problems with my kideys(so renal exam was negative) Could it be something for a chiropractor to look at?
I also tried doing one of those thoracic spine manipulations on my grandmother's pet budgie and now it can't fly. Do you recommend any other manipulations to fix it? And please hurry because grandma is coming out of her coma soon,
Take it to the vet immediately. Chiropractors go to school for several years to learn how to spinal manipulations, unless you are trained to do them, you will probably do more damage than good.
I tried doing one of those thoracic spine manipulations on my dog and now it can't walk. Do you recommend any other manipulations to fix it? And please hurry because my parents will be home soon.
This guy states "Imagine if the nerve that goes to the heart is being pinched and the problems that it could cause" Wrong! because anyone educated at a real medical school "Which a Chiro is not" would know that even if the nerve to the heart was damaged the heart would still work just fine, because, the heart exhibits "Autorhythmicity", meaning the heart itself(Not External Nerves)is responsible for initiating the heart beat. Look it up, it is common medical knowledge, chiro's don't get it.
I went to a chiropractor and he called Subluxation(Which he says that I have) a VERY serious condition. He said that I need to have my spouse present for a meeting. He also gave me an adjustment for $45. It felt great at first, but then the pain came back a few hours later. What should I think of this?
A subluxation is not a real medical issue. It is simply a marketing tool that chiros use to generate profits and scare medically-ignorant patients. Wanna test it? Take a "subluxation" diagnosis to two seperate Orthopedic Surgeons and see what they have to say; they'll be rolling their eyes all the way to the bank.
your ignorance on what is the meaning of chiropractic is rolling the eyes of big pharmaceutical companies all the way to the banks and the deaths of thousands every year
and mind ultering drugs that cause addiction and suicides
chiropractic frees the nerveous system and has prevented thousands of back and neck surgeries and drug use
chiropractors have saved lives and have made life better for all
I am not a chiropractor nor do I support their growth in any meaningful way.
I had terrible rib pain one day and went to a chiropractor to have that fixed. Chiro also noted subluxations in my spine.
He corrected subluxations at the level corresponding to my sinuses and stomach. I used to have TERRIBLE heartburn and TERRIBLE sinusitis for many years. BUT ever since the verterbrae started staying in place, these issues have disappeared totally.
If this worked wouldn't we all be healed by now. Seriously, what a bunch of quackery. This is just sexed up alternative medicine with no basis in scientific fact.
LLauranzonIII 1 day ago
WHAT A SCAM! Subluxations? Are you kidding me? Chiropractors calling themselves DOCTORS? wtf? folks WAKE UP! ITS A SCAM!!
mgallant01 4 months ago
Doctors also can be FRAUD AND FAKE! Doctors: Here, Let me prescribe all the pills you need to feel better Ahahaha.... Oh wait Pain Killers is the way to go! Oh wait How about we get more testings to figure it out what you have, but for now let me prescribe you some more SHIT for you to take. Gosh, what a JOKE!
slanderscribe 6 months ago
Part 3: You need to spend time with Dr. Steven Kuslich.. he provided an invitation many years ago to bring chiro's into the surgical room so they can learn once and for all subluxations don't exist. google him
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
Part 2: Crelin showed one has to break spine to re-create chiro subluxation; ACA made fools of themselves when they criticized Crelin by saying Crelin was using Cadavers invalidating study because the living spine is less likely to sublux because of natural muscular restraints. Convenient study often forgotten by chiro's.
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
Nerve connections R not new,sayingg there was a subluxation is pure assumption... You have to pick one of 100 diff definitions of a sublux & say which it is.. studies show chiro's can't even agree on x-ray film what a sublux is.. also natural anatomically shaped vertebrae takes palpation out of picture.(See Part 2)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
You need to start calling your hypotheses, hypotheses or at least theories. Speaking in conclusives on issues that have never been proven scientifically is why people will call you a quack. Say, "The theory is......" Qualify yourself that 'we don't know if this actually affects organs this way or that way, etc..." but this is what we believe is happening.
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@noclassatall you are sooooo wrong here. Chiropractic is not even close to allopathy. It is in essence all about physiology and cell function. The brain controls it all so if the info getting too and from the brain is bad it will affect your health. Chiropractic recognise 3 classes of stressors namely Physical, Emotional and Chemical. That covers toxins, nutrition, exercise, safety, stress, etc...... Chiropractic is Holistic, Vitalistic and created the Wellness concept. Naturopathy also great!
chirojanee 8 months ago
@noclassatall ever heard of the vagus nerve? Simple anatomy... however you probably are not up to date with the neuro anatomy that has found the feedback loops of the cranial nerves via C2. Yes processed food can cause reflux and so can 20 other things. One of these being stress and since chiropractic adjustments can shut off a chronic over-active stress response it can affect reflux in this way. I have a number of patients that has reported that their reflux stopped once they started care
chirojanee 8 months ago
Quack! Quack! Quack!
TheDuck663 9 months ago
In my opinion, this "science" was cutting edge when D.D. Palmer practiced but in the 1900s but is severely out of date now. Chiropractors beget other chiropractors. Subluxation theory is laughable.unless you are billing medicare for treating them.
workingstiff76 9 months ago
@noclassatall "Chiropractic is completely useless"
4+ peer reviewed journals say otherwise. Get a brain.
9pt9 9 months ago 2
@9pt9 peer reviewed by chiropractors most likely
workingstiff76 9 months ago
@9pt9 if chiropractic was useless it would have died a 100 years ago already
chirojanee 8 months ago
Back crackers are a complete fraud. The "adjustment" is actually foolish. alot or all of the information may be true, but the act of popping gas out of the synovial fluid, which creates a "cracking sound", has nothing to do with "realigning" anything. its the outer-limits of quackery.
And NO, they are not doctors, Their lucrative association forced (paid for) a court ruling that legally calls them doctors. They are nincompoops. Not respected.
headlesssoldier 9 months ago
@headlesssoldier unfortunately the profession has stuck to the "bone out of place" model because it is easier to explain than talking about sensory disafferentation affecting the neural pathways and causing misrepresentation of the body function to the brain (cortex, cerebellum and brainstem) cause dissociation of nerve mimpulses affecting both axonal and neurotransmitter function at global and cellular level.
chirojanee 8 months ago
@headlesssoldier Doctors also can be FRAUD AND FAKE! Doctors: Here, Let me prescribe all the pills you need to feel better Ahahaha.... Oh wait Pain Killers is the way to go! Oh wait How about we get more testings to figure it out what you have, but for now let me prescribe you some more SHIT for you to take. Gosh, what a JOKE!
slanderscribe 6 months ago
Many thanks Jeff
MrVahid1486 10 months ago
CHIROPRACTORS ARE NOT DOCTORS FOR FUCKS SAKE.
maxpowers439 11 months ago
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Chiropractors are doctors. (But not the prescription dealers like the medical doctor you are probably thinking of.) They undergo a very intense 4 year graduate program after undergraduate school. I'm not sure why you have such aggression towards the issue; but I insist you try to learn a bit more about it. It's incredibly effective; there is just a large amount of misinformation out there.
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im pretty sure that none of this actually makes sence.
bschifke 1 year ago
im pretty sure that none of this actually makes sence.
bschifke 1 year ago
@bschifke Do you mean "sense"? Maybe you should watch it again and pay attention this time!
cheyenneman98yahoo 1 year ago
@cheyenneman98yahoo im glad that you u picked up on the fact that when i type on the internet i don't care too much on spelling or grammar.
Did you pick up on the fact that this still doesn't make sense?
bschifke 1 year ago
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@bschifke Do you mean "sense"? Maybe you should watch it again, only this time pay attention!
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cmanclan101 1 year ago 5
@cmanclan101 I do and I have :-)
workingstiff76 9 months ago
I just learned that chiro was alternative medicine. I always thought it was just a name for a "back specialist" and uncontroversial. I'm trying to find criticism against chiro, but all I find is arguments against intelligent spines and curing of headaches etc., for which I haven't checked for evidence yet. I just want to know if it at least can cure back pain without having treatment regularly (possible "pay-per-visit" bias).
Burlak4 1 year ago
Not a bad way to lool at things...
pete0969wi 1 year ago
There is zero scientific evidence that this ridiculous practice 'works', and its basis is laughable. Anybody been following the recent Somon Singh case? Yes, the claims of chiropractic are bogus and dishonest. Sue me!
derek24hudson 1 year ago
@derek24hudson i dont care if there's no scientific evidence, the FACT is it my damn back doesn't hurt anymore lol
rodri605 1 year ago
I have severe problems with my spine. So much so that if I don't get help it eventually leaves me almost completely paralyzed from the waist and hips down, with incredible pain my lower back and hips. I will actually fall and can even fall out of a chair and not be able to sit up. I can not afford to go have surgery, but each time, this has happened to me, my husband or my mother has taken me to see a Chiropractor. I'm not gonna list his name. But after 3 visits, he'll have me back to normal.
sasperilla23 1 year ago 3
@sasperilla23 I don't mean to pry but what is your lifestyle like? Would you say that you get very much physical activity or that you eat a healthy diet? What, specifically do you mean when you say that you were "almost completely paralyzed"? That you literally had lost motor function of your body or that you were in some degree of pain? Being in pain when you move is not the same thing as being unable to move as far as the term "paralysis" is concerned. I study these things and am just curios.
BandofSorensons 1 year ago
@BandofSorensons I actually lose control of my lower body from the hips down, and have really bad pain in my lower spine. I am starting to think I have a herniated disk or something. When it gets really bad, I've been laid out in bed and the area around that part of my lower spine swells so I need a cold pack. As for my life style, I am over weight, I have an admitted eating disorder and over eat, and also have PCOS. You'll have to look that one up since it would take too much to explain here
sasperilla23 1 year ago
@sasperilla23 Thank you for sharing with me. I think that you can overcome these health problems for sure, though I'm not sure about PCOS. I think that I tend to overeat also but I don't gain weight because of the type of foods that I eat everyday. Have you ever taken a nutrition class or read up about healthy eating plans? I used to be obese but learning how to eat, despite my tendency to over do it, has put me well within my recommended BMI. It could also help you prevent gout in the future.
BandofSorensons 1 year ago
@BandofSorensons Yes, I was prescribed Uloric, but I can't afford it. It costs about $100 per bottle. That's a one month's supply. I do not eat pork, shell fish or turkey xcept in minute pieces. For instance; if someone dropped some sausage on my side of the pizza. I try to drink any type of dark berry juice that I can. At one point I was consuming so many cherries that I got tired of eating them. My gout is so severe, I had a mini surgery to remove some of the acid crystals.
sasperilla23 1 year ago
@sasperilla23 I'm sorry to hear it. This sounds insane to some people but you will be in my prayers. Thank you for your testimony.
BandofSorensons 1 year ago
@BandofSorensons At the moment, my financial issues also keep me from eating the ideal healthy diet since I'm not only shopping for myself. I eat raw carrots now, home made salsa with store bought chips, apples, oranges, orange juice, cran-grape juice, and I know those things aren't so bad. Its the Tuna helper and Hamberger Helper, etc that don't help. I know what is making me fat. I know that changing to a raw diet has the huge possibility of actually "curing" my PCOS. I just can't afford it.
sasperilla23 1 year ago
@BandofSorensons I am now in a wheel chair as well, as I have severe gout and it has eaten away some of the bone in my left ankle. Since I'm part of the poor in the country, I am not able to afford the surgery as of yet, that would repair it. So i've been in a Wheel chair for a year and a half.
sasperilla23 1 year ago
@sasperilla23 I'm sorry to hear that. I hope that you feel much better in the future and that you are able to acquire the care that you need. Have you been prescribed medication for your gout or given any concrete advice about nutrition and gout? I wonder most about the latter because I think far too few people ever learn that there are changes they can make now that can help with gout.
BandofSorensons 1 year ago
so what´s 10 milimeters of pressure? honestly, is pressure measured in meters?
mascota010 1 year ago
@mascota010 It's "millimeters of mercury" like the old style blood pressure cuffs. How many millimeters of mercury where displaced gives you the measurement of pressure.
quirmche 1 year ago
He doesnt even know the numbers of the verts he just says here and here and here..hahahaha trust me when this guy gets sick, he aint going to a chiro
and Ill bet these guys , when they are in trouble and need a doc, dont dare say they are chiros. hhahahaha makes me laugh
and buddy, your somehting but you aint no Doctor..
cfqpa 1 year ago
@cfqpa BC HE DOESN'T MENTION THE VERTEBRAE TERMS FOR EACH VERTEBRA YOU GET THE IMPRESSION HE DOESN'T KNOW THEM? YOU SOUND LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, AND TRYING TO DISCREDIT THIS MAN... FOOLISH IS WHAT I THINK OF YOU
Multifarious222 1 year ago
@Multifarious222 Nah i just cant stand charlatans
cfqpa 1 year ago
Subluxation is a word that a chiropractor made up out of thin air years ago, they love using it in their brainwash schticks. Some of these guys will actually tell you that they can cure MS with their adjustments..
cfqpa 1 year ago
why does he keep calling it the spine.... the spinal cord doesn't go down the spine.... vertebral column doc
wackyaction 1 year ago
very good for my Technical English classes
amarcosdurock2009 2 years ago
I understand some of your guys' skepticism. This guy is just oldschool, and clearly trained in the USA. Subluxation theory really should be discarded, there are other reasons why chiropractic is beneficial but subluxations probably aren't one of them. If you plan on going to a chiro, find one that has been educated in Canada, they receive a far superior education
jayeh182 2 years ago
Very interesting information. Thank you.
TucoRamirez2 2 years ago
look up the C.L.E.A.R. institute and their research on chiropractic and scoliosis. I work there and have seen 37deg thoracic cob angle reversed to approx 10deg. I've seen 29 deg go down to close to zero deg. all the time!! seen it with my own eyes time after time. That's the C.L.E.A.R. institute, again. don't let your politics get in the way of your health potential, and especially other people's. there's a place for everything.
lsamalot 2 years ago
A crock from a quack. Ho-hum.
n9387d 2 years ago
actually every cell isn't innervated by its own neuron...just look at multi-unit smooth muscle cells for example.
drin2014 2 years ago
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wbutton 2 years ago
Hi doctor Jeff.
I'm a college sophomore, and I'm going into chiropractics, my dad is a chiropractor, he went to national chiropractic college, and is recomending that, where did you go, and what would you recommend?
thanks, mike
mikerobinsonn 2 years ago
If you are set on chiropracty, National University in Lombard Il seems to be one of the few schools that actually follows scientific evidence.
cowy1 2 years ago
What are your opinions on Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine (D.O.)...for me, I only utilize them if they reject OMT and cranial therapy.
drin2014 2 years ago
Thank you for your video again, Dr. Jeff. :) Thank you for the brief and great explication. Wonderful.
n7c7m7p8 2 years ago
97% subluxation at the spine where the nerves exited. Ok, but did he then look at all the subluxations of the spine on the SAME cadaver and ascertain whether there was some pathology of the organ correlating with THAT subluxation?? If not, then his test means nothing. Not saying that its not interesting, but its certainly not conclusive unless you look at ALL subluxation and ALL organs innervated by those nerves.
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Unfortunate victims of spinal trauma who are left quadraplegic,unable to move the limbs,have no impulses from the brain to travel below the neck.Yet in these patients the organs work without difficulty and diseases dont develop at higher rates.Of course,there are some effects from the disruption of the ANS(eg bladder),but all effects of spinal cord damage are caused by known neurological injury.If subluxation theory were correct,people with high spinal cord injuries would be ravaged by disease.
lald6103 2 years ago 10
That is the difference between a dislocation and a subluxation, which is less than a total dislocation. Subluxations do not cause spinal cord injury. What you are referring to is the theory of your own understanding or lack thereof.
mg200442000 2 years ago
I refer you to Thomas Young, shot through the spine in Iraq. He's barely holding his body together. I met him at a screening of the documentary about his story, Body of War, shortly after one of his longer hospitalizations. While I have not yet arrived at a position on chiropractic medicine, I contend some people with spinal cord injuries are quite susceptible to being ravaged by disease.
apcnkc 2 years ago
@lald6103 They do have have higher rates of tumors formation in the organs and the organs don't last as long as average people. Follow the research buddy!
quirmche 1 year ago 2
@quirmche
Uhuh. What research is this?
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 Check your research Quadraplegic victims do have other conditions. But if you understand the spinal cord there are different layers, motor control is in the more superficial tracts where as the autonomic responces are more toward the center. So these patients do have impulses that travel below the neck, just no motor impulses. Look at Christopher Reeves case he had a respirator because his lungs didn't work.
spinalreliefcenter 1 year ago 2
@spinalreliefcenter Huh?
Scottrchrdsn 1 year ago
@lald6103
Dr. Winsor decided to investigate this new science and art of healing- chiropractic.
After graduating from medical school, Dr. Winsor was inspired by chiropractic and osteopathic literature to experiment. He planned to dissect human and animal cadavers to see if there was a relationship between any diseased internal organ discovered on autopsy and the vertebrae associated with the nerves that went to the organ. As he wrote:
quirmche 1 year ago 3
So long as people are told before hand that this is "alternative" (made up) medicine, Then I have no problem with them throwing away their money.
But its not fair to lie to people and give them the impression this is serious medicine.
You know... based on "facts" and "evidence"
aversion2k 2 years ago
quack quack quack, subluxation theory is a pile of nonsense, theosteopathic lesion is more realistic but still rather dualistic. this is simply a way for "doctors" of chiropractic to make lots of money and snap your back
siamsawadee 2 years ago
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The subluxation theory of disease is totally bunk. A guy named Crelin examined this in the 1970s showed that the "nerve pressure" theory is impossible. The space in the intervertebral foramina are massive in comparison to the nerves exiting the spinal cord.
As an aside, how in the hell did DD Palmer cure Harvey Lillard of his deafness? I've been asking chiropractors all over the place and the only responses I've gotten are half-assed ad hominem attacks.
cowy1 2 years ago
You are making this way too easy. You should really go back to the clubhouse with your friends. How does a person get numbness in a limb?
9pt9 2 years ago 5
@9pt9
Limbs are innervated by spinal nerves (i.e. nerves that arise from the spinal cord). The ear carries auditory information via the vestibulocochlear nerve (cranial nerve #8). this nerve arises leaves the skull without going anywhere near the spinal cord/vertebral column.
even if subluxation theory was correct (it isnt) it would be impossible to cure deafness with an upper cervical manipulation.
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 Gee thanks for the neurology lesson. Ever heard of braggards test? Dorsiflexion of the foot can affect a lumbar spinal lesion. Ergo, un upper cervical legion/subluxation can affect neurology above. And it does! Does chiro claim to cure deafness? Ofc not. Have we proven to improve neurological fxn via adjustment? Ofc we have. Impossible to cure deafness w an adjustment? Lol what a dolt you are. As always.
9pt9 1 year ago 2
@9pt9
Apologies for sounding condescending, I don't know what your background is.
Especially when you say things like just now. I employ a straight leg raise test to elicit sciatic nerve involvement which may be due to an impingement. The neuroanatomy is not the same in the skull, especially when we are talking about CH#8.
lald6103 1 year ago
""You should really go back to the clubhouse with your friends. "
I think that will be the "half-assed ad hominem attacks." then.
I notice he hasn't actually answered your question.
revjimbob 2 years ago
it works the other way around...organ and ultimately emotional imbalances cause problems in the nervous system which lead to unbalanced muscular tightness next to the spine.Then you make a "false move" and the vertebra moves out of line.
sirprenante 2 years ago
How come those with severe high spinal injuries (paralyised) do not suffer from a multitude of organ disease?
revjimbob 2 years ago
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An execent point and one I wish Id thought of myself... talk about the ultimate "subluxation". Same point i was trying to make with a transplanted heart (or kidney/liver, ect.) but on a much grander scale.
Chiropractic theory would seem to dictate that all such cases must result in cascading organ failure is short order.
bjs8145 2 years ago
I can't claim that the above is an original point - I read something about that recently - on the science-based medicine website. The article is called "chiropractic - a brief overview".
revjimbob 2 years ago
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9pt9 2 years ago 6
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I 'thot" I told you to what?
Good thing they apparently dont have spelling test to get into chiropractic school.
Mr. Reeves died of sepsis (resulting in heart failure) from a pressure ulcer after many years of quadraplegia, but then again I sure that ulceration was really due to a spinal subluxation.
Im dying to hear how this could have been prevented by proper chiropractic spinal adjustment.
When are you going to give it up and stop shamming you sad profession with every post you write?
bjs8145 2 years ago
As usual bj or should i call you cowy1(your sock puppet), you dodge the relevant point. I said Reeves needed life support to maintain his organ function which was compromised from a severed spinal cord. Wanna disagree with that Mr" the heart runs without nerve energy"? Oh thats right...Youre a doctor. LOL
9pt9 2 years ago 5
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My God in heaven is there no end to your ignorance?
I said that after transplantation a heart no longer gets innervation from the spinal cord (and what is "nerve energy" anyway?)
What does chiropractic theory (subluxation/"pressure on a nerve") have to do with cord transection? The two are not the same at all. Anyone with a basic understanding of neuroanatomy can see that... but not you, since it doesnt fit your neat little theory you have to twist it to fit your hopeless, antiquated argument.
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9pt9 2 years ago 10
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You know just what I meant, and so would any passive reader of that post.
Your so pathetically desperate to latch onto your deliberate misreading of the point because it goes to the very heart of chiropractics theory's great failing-that it falls flat in the face of basic physiologic fact.
All of your infantile name calling and poorly phrased innuendo cant make up for that.
Interesting that your the one avoiding the point at hand, content to post your nastiness and think your taken seriously.
bjs8145 2 years ago
@9pt9 Even if a person feels the need to comment on here, there is no need to throw such a horrible insult of infertility at another being. That is just childish and inappropriate. Please treat others as you'd like to be treated and try focusing your radar for false advertising at the FDA. Now there, my friend, is something to really worry about.
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9pt9 2 years ago 11
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You and I both know that the phrase "nerve energy" is not used outside of chiropractic and other alternative/new-age mumbo-jumbo terminalogy. That probably explains why you choose to employ such a non-physiologic euphemism... as if I should expect anything less.
I continue to observe that you still havent addressed the point at hand... is that "so the world can see what little u know"?
bjs8145 2 years ago
You are right. Chiropractic is totally false. We dont get results at all! We managed to trick the public to the top of natural healtcare. And the insurance companies don't know we are fake so don't tell them! Especially medicare! Please!!
9pt9 2 years ago 6
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You sad pathetic little man (or woman as the case may be)...
Finally resorted to that tired old retorical device as a paper thin dodge, trying avoid an honest and reputable rebutal the point being made here over and over again by your betters... really sad.
At least youve given that potty mouth of yours a break for a change. Maybe theres some hope for you yet.
bjs8145 2 years ago
am I?
9pt9 2 years ago
@9pt9 The irony in my opinion is that this bit of sarcasm is completely correct.
workingstiff76 9 months ago
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It is a fair question, explain to me what nerve energy is. I've had extensive neurobiology and never once did any PhD teaching the course mention "nerve energy". Enlighten us all.
cowy1 2 years ago
Look at a corpse and the answer is obvious.
chrisperry88 2 years ago
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WTF is nerve energy? I've never seen that in a physiology textbook. Usually they talk about, you know, Na/K pumps and other, more obscure things obviously not covered in chiropracty school.
Tell you what, I'll stop posting if you can explain to me how DD Palmer cured Harvey Lillard's deafness by crackin' his back.
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9pt9 2 years ago
What machines are you talking about? What organs?
revjimbob 2 years ago
Correction to my prior statement on Reeves. He required a ventilator to maintain his respiration due to phrenic nerve paralysis.
9pt9 2 years ago
Just like you need an enema - you are full of shit.
revjimbob 2 years ago
Technically there's no shit in an enema. Stick to commenting on chiropractic vidoes. I'll stick to delivering the real healthcare the public. After all they want it!
9pt9 2 years ago
"Technically there's no shit in an enema."
No -it is the patient who is full of shit - if you don't know that much, I think I'll pass on any healthcare you may offer.
"After all they want it! "
Of course - health care is all about pandering to whatever fad the public are enthused about.
revjimbob 2 years ago
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This "nerve going to the heart" example just goes to show what a bunch of bullshit this chiropractic crap really is. patient who have heart transplants no longer have ANY "nerves" connect to the heart-they were cut when the organ was harvested-but still it works. According to this quack it couldnt possibly.
A subluxation noted on autopsy... I dare this guy to sight that little study. I doupt it was ever published in any peer reviewed journal.
These quacks are the lunatic fringe...
bjs8145 2 years ago
Wrong again retard. C1-C5 gray rami communicantes carry sypathetic nerve innervation to the heart. Open any medical antomy book. Your a pretty mouthy ignorant dumbass.
9pt9 2 years ago 5
Not once one is transplanted from a donor... or an I missing the surgical step where you microsurgically reconnect the innervation along with the plumbing?
Do you even read what your betters post before retorting like an "ignorant dumbass"...
Try responding to the substance of my point (not that you can)... and try to insult me with something a little more original that what you were apparently called back in junior high before you dropped out.
bjs8145 2 years ago
"Pts that have had heart transplants no longer have ANY nerves".
You dunce. During a heart transplant the sinoatrial node remains intact of the recipient. A heart cannot function without nerve energy. You really believe an organ can function after its nerves are cut? You said you were a doctor. Now we all know you're just a troll.
9pt9 2 years ago 3
No nerves connect to the brain via the spinal cord that would (or would not) be effected by manipulation of the vertebrae. My god you people are dense... but Im proud that you actually know about the sinoartial node, thats a big word for you!
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9pt9 2 years ago
Read this and cry you simple minded moron... once an organ is harvested from a donor and subsequently transplanted in to a recipient the prior innervation is no longer intact. If you dont understand that then you dont understand much of anything about human anatomy. Your above article would not apply by definition.
What is with this need own people on youtube... are off your meds again?
bjs8145 2 years ago
The recipients original neurology runs the donated heart. You think the heart just beats on its own? The research article (that you will probably refuse to look it) is hard scientific proof that adjustments to the thoracic spine positively influence the sympathetic chain that has multiple connections to the heart. There are loads of medical studies citing the validity of chiropractic. Not to mention millions of satisfied people. Seriously why are you so against chiropractic?
9pt9 2 years ago
#1) Spinal manipulation cannot effect the function of the sinoatrial node in a transplant patient, simple fact. Either you dont get that, or you are deliberately dancing around the point.
#2) Nothing in my undergraduate studies in mammalian physiology, graduate program in Osteopathic Medicine, postgraduate residency training and a decade of practice give me any reason to believe that the basic theory behind chiropractic has any scientific validity beyond the basic placebo effect.
bjs8145 2 years ago
I never said adjustments can effect the SA node of a transplanted heart so get off it. What is a proven "medical" fact by medical doctors is adjustments unquestionable improve cardiac output. And you should know all this "doctor". And im sitting infront of a pile of "medical studies" from SPINE, JMPT, et al that show how subluxaton affects joint/disc health, neuroimmunology, organ physiology and pain. Ur a Dr and you haven't read these? Your medical peers seem to think its more than placebo LOL
9pt9 2 years ago
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JMPT is one of the shittiest journals available, one step above the crap on the magazine rack at your local Wal-Mart. It is mostly filled chiroquackery ads and other various scam products peddled by your "profession".
cowy1 2 years ago
Our "Quackery" profession happens to be the leading healthcare choice on the globle next to medicine. Ouch! you are a tool yes.
9pt9 2 years ago 8
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Uh, just because people believe in it doesn't mean it is going to do anything. Appealing to the ignorant masses makes you less, not more, credible.
cowy1 2 years ago
Funny how those who have never been to a chiro are anti-chiro and those who have been are all for them.
Richard2003 2 years ago
10 millimeters of pressure??
ThePurdude 2 years ago 2
The boiling point of water is 277 angstroms per furlong.
ilovesolfege 2 years ago
he meant millimeters of mercury
liteonbeta 2 years ago
can chiropractors help scoliosis?
spongebob341 2 years ago
I am currently a Chiro student in Dallas and over half way with my education. First, our medical doctors are the best in the world when it comes to trauma and therefore I would never discredit that aspect. Second, Chiropractors are the best at restoring motion to vertebral segments. There are multiple issues when dealing with scoliosis and a big one is loss of motion. When any part of your body stops moving, the body will build scar tissue around it. Movement equals blood flow equals healing
scttjnkns 2 years ago
I am currently studying masturbation in front of my computer I think its as worthwhile in helping the body as chiro
Fattboy26 2 years ago 4
No but it will lighten the weight off your wallet
Fattboy26 2 years ago
no...and don't let them try and tell you different. There has been no proof despite what they claim. Chiropractors don't move bones, like they want you to think. Muscles control bone structure.
qmagnumq 2 years ago
Not at all; zero evidence that spinal manipulation can help scoliosis. See a spinal surgeon.
cowy1 2 years ago
hmm...for all of you who are so uneducated about the chiropractic profession and its benefits...I feel sorry for you. I also feel sorry for you in the future when you choose the drug/surgery approach to health care instead of providing yourself the preventive/health approach now! and cowy1...how about you learn how to use the term "chiropractic" appropriately. "chiropracty"??? what is that? wow, it is sad you talk trash on such an important aspect of the total healthcare spectrum.
ebuck31 2 years ago
Please then, enlighten us all with your anatomically and physiologically correct description of the chiropractic subluxation.
You might want to start at ES Crelin, 1973 "A scientific test of chiropractic's subluxation theory".
cowy1 2 years ago
Quack
openminded1313 2 years ago
how rough is chiropractic school compared to a university or med school
brutussteel 2 years ago
Most chiro students have a 4 year degree prior to chiro school (due to the requirements of chiro school).
The classes for the first two years of chiro school are very similar to med school. however, after that they differ widely, mainly due to the different clinical aspects of the two.
boxant 2 years ago
Just pay turn up and agree with any shit they say and in you pass
Fattboy26 2 years ago 4
It doesn't upset me when people disagree with my comments, what does bother me is how often the misinformed try to argue their points. You giving this doc credit means you may think his message makes sense, which is a small victory for chiropractic in itself. Go and check out w-w-w-dot-n-y-c-c-dot-e-d-u. Poke around the site a little and see what you can pick up. In closing, as important as they are (and I love you guys) massage therapists have nowhere near the schooling of a chiropractor.
JohnnyChiro 2 years ago
Finally, the doc in the video may have more experience due to the fact he's been practicing for decades, yes you are absolutley correct. However the fact that "you" may think he knows more than most chiropractors is again simply opinion. The content of his message is pretty basic stuff and isn't anything we don't hear somewhere along the way during our schooling.
JohnnyChiro 2 years ago
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Also the fact that you "think" chiros only learn 1/10 as much as MD's do,well that only shows that you're actually misinformed (like many others out there) as to what is taught in either institutions. I will say that a chiro learns 1/10th of the pharmacology an MD does, that is true. However, thats one of the philosophies of chiropractic..to not rely on chemicals as much as one should rely on their individual ability to heal ones self naturally. You can agree with that or not, your decision.
JohnnyChiro 2 years ago
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Alright, a few things in response: As far as the kid being the dumbest person from your HS, well all I can say is maybe you sold the guy short. I'm sure you didn't have acess to any of his transcipts to know what his grades were or how well he did when he went to college. That being said those comments are simply opinion on your part and therefore completely irrelevant.
JohnnyChiro 2 years ago
Dear jackson20809
You apparently have no clue what a chiropractor learns. We do learn internal medicine infact we're exposed to more internal medicine during our schooling than an MD is. Where an MD get s all his/her knowledge is during their internships. This is where their experience is gathered. Chiro's learn a lot more than just the spine and how to adjust. Do some research and educate yourself. Until then be a smart little monkey and keep quiet!
JohnnyChiro 3 years ago
You are misleading people. Chiropractors LITERALLY learn about 1/10 as much as MD's, especially specialized MD's. One of the dumbest people from my high school, and I mean dumb, just got accepted to a chiropractic school. He could not pass medical school if his life depended on it. "Chiro's" as you call them are slightly more educated Massagers. THis particular guy on the video is much more learned than most Chiropractors.
pacers3115 2 years ago 3
Not really.
Also, getting accepted does not equate into finishing.
boxant 2 years ago
True story, guy I know from high school who thought Pittsburgh was in Kentucky is about to graduate from chiropracty school with high honors. Chiropracty school is a joke even compared to undergrad.
cowy1 2 years ago
Chiropractic school...chiropractIC, and what do you do for work?
beauryan84 2 years ago
True story, there are 3 states with a city named Pittsboro. There is Pittsboro, NC; Pittsboro, MS; and Pittsboro, IN.
It's entirely possible that the guy you know knew maybe mis-heard someone, thinking they said Pittsboro (when they actually said Pittsburgh)?
Is it also possible he knew more about geography than you?
Another fun fact for you - there is a city named London in 9 different US states: AR, CA, KS, KY, MI, MN, OH, TX, WV.
jmichaelb080 1 year ago
cowy1 - True story #2: you don't know very much do you? There is, in fact, a city of Pittsburg in Kentucky. Yes, it is spelled differently (it does not end with an "h"). Actually, there are 9 states (CA, IA, IL, KS, KY, MO, NH, OK, TX) with a city/town named Pittsburg (no "h" at the end).
Apparently you wouldn't do too well in "Chiropracty" school - if you could even get admitted.
Research something before you make ignorant comments.
jmichaelb080 1 year ago 2
I'm my own chiropractor...I can crack just about every single tendon, ligament, and joint in my body. I remember when I was younger I used to have asthma, and a congested nose. Ever since I got serious with cracking myself I have had no asthma, and no congestion. So as this man may have a point with this spinal correction, you don't need to go to a chiropractor, you can do it yourself easily.
EvilMapleSyrup 3 years ago
you shouldn't be cracking your own back. If you have pain, I would recommend going to a Chiropractor, not doing it yourself.. trust me I know from my own experience.
ritzie713 3 years ago
But if I ever have pain and then crack my back the pain goes away,
EvilMapleSyrup 3 years ago
You're an idiot.
buzman1985 2 years ago
I see....and how am I an idiot? I want to be lectured on the horror and awe of self cracking. :D
EvilMapleSyrup 2 years ago
Dear DC. You are not trained in traditional internal medicine. Please do not feel so comfortable when you give medical advise about internal medicine. Please focus on only spine which is your only specialty. Please do not cross the border
jackson20809 3 years ago
this guy is a natural for instructional videos
roudy1689 3 years ago
I have Vsc. its a pain in the ass. cant train or even stretch as much as before. cant wait to be back training back at full tilt!
Jasonsoul1 3 years ago
(Part 3)
I am a radiographer in a Chiropractic office in central Virginia and answer this question very often. A properly trained DC can look at the x-rays and immediately know why you are experiencing the pain or discomfort you mentioned. If you live near or in a big city, you should have no problem finding a DC that also specializes in sports medicine that would be able to coach you through some exercises and stretching techniques to keep you from re-injuring problem areas.
Good luck!
Mom53004 3 years ago
thank you very much for the explanation. i really appreciate it. i have been to a lot of medical doctors the only thing they can do with back pain is give some medicenes which doesnt help at all and they never admit they cant help you.
my first chiropractor wasnt a good experience but now i have DACNB chiropractor he really nows what he is doing and it helped me a lot.
personally i think dacnb chiropractors are the best among the chiropractors.
Mertt03 3 years ago
and medical doctors should send patiants with back pain directly to a chiropractor cause they really dont understand the spine at all which can be irritating for patiants.i dont know why MD dont work together with chiropractors !!! it will be better for everyone even for MD but in europe chiropractors are not fully recognised UNFORTUNATELY
Mertt03 3 years ago
(Part 2)
The doctor of chiropractic (DC) is trained to notice more subtle differences in the alignment of your spine which can cause pressure on the nerves exiting your spinal column! It's like if you have a break in the coating on an electrical wire, the lamp will flicker or not work at all... same goes for the organs and muscles of your body. Your brain "runs" everything in your body and if it can't effectively "communicate" with your body parts, how can you be totally healthy? (cont..)
Mom53004 3 years ago
i have a guestion i hope you can help me doctor?
i have a lot of Mid back pain especially with bending or stretching my back. the mobilitie of my back is very low.
what kind of x ray is the best to make for a good diagnose?
for example i have lateral/ Ap view thoracic and lumbar x ray but you only can see wheter the vertebrae is broken or not
so is there different x rays to determine subluxations or the mobility of the vertebrae ?and if yes how is it called
Mertt03 3 years ago
(Part 1)
If have had x-rays taken of your problem areas: The difference is NOT the x-rays themselves, its the training of the doctor diagnosing from the x-rays. The medical doctor can only treat "broken bones" (or cancer!!) so that is all they will admit is noticeable on an x-ray.
(continued...)
Mom53004 3 years ago
dear doctor i have had these problems. After being to the doctor (GP i'm in the UK), neurologist and a chiropracter they all do not want to accept the possibility that a trapped nerve could be causing my problems. I know it is a trapped nerve in my back because after my back pains started so did the problems. A blood test also revealed a problem in one of my bladder. So who do i go to now ???? seems no one agrees
me4u 3 years ago
Pyschetruth:
everytime I roll my head (like in a warm up before excercise) my neck pops. Like in the back more of the left side in the back. It only happens when I roll my neck. I also have uncontrollable hypertension, for years, they have done renal exams and different meds, but nothing seams to work. I have no problems with my kideys(so renal exam was negative) Could it be something for a chiropractor to look at?
supercar28 3 years ago
I also tried doing one of those thoracic spine manipulations on my grandmother's pet budgie and now it can't fly. Do you recommend any other manipulations to fix it? And please hurry because grandma is coming out of her coma soon,
mc123toadies123 3 years ago 7
Take it to the vet immediately. Chiropractors go to school for several years to learn how to spinal manipulations, unless you are trained to do them, you will probably do more damage than good.
psychetruth 3 years ago
You are a gullible fool
lald6103 2 years ago
I tried doing one of those thoracic spine manipulations on my dog and now it can't walk. Do you recommend any other manipulations to fix it? And please hurry because my parents will be home soon.
wheredidallthepeople 3 years ago 7
Take it the vet immediately.
psychetruth 3 years ago
This guy is obviously trolling you about his pet.
Magicmanny 3 years ago
This guy states "Imagine if the nerve that goes to the heart is being pinched and the problems that it could cause" Wrong! because anyone educated at a real medical school "Which a Chiro is not" would know that even if the nerve to the heart was damaged the heart would still work just fine, because, the heart exhibits "Autorhythmicity", meaning the heart itself(Not External Nerves)is responsible for initiating the heart beat. Look it up, it is common medical knowledge, chiro's don't get it.
racecarapple2 3 years ago
Look up the vagus nerve dude.
There are nerves that go from the brain into the heart.
psychetruth 3 years ago
I went to a chiropractor and he called Subluxation(Which he says that I have) a VERY serious condition. He said that I need to have my spouse present for a meeting. He also gave me an adjustment for $45. It felt great at first, but then the pain came back a few hours later. What should I think of this?
MirageRC3 3 years ago
MirageRC3,
A subluxation is not a real medical issue. It is simply a marketing tool that chiros use to generate profits and scare medically-ignorant patients. Wanna test it? Take a "subluxation" diagnosis to two seperate Orthopedic Surgeons and see what they have to say; they'll be rolling their eyes all the way to the bank.
mas9999999999 3 years ago 2
your ignorance on what is the meaning of chiropractic is rolling the eyes of big pharmaceutical companies all the way to the banks and the deaths of thousands every year
and mind ultering drugs that cause addiction and suicides
chiropractic frees the nerveous system and has prevented thousands of back and neck surgeries and drug use
chiropractors have saved lives and have made life better for all
i speak from experience
Energyium 3 years ago
I am not a chiropractor nor do I support their growth in any meaningful way.
I had terrible rib pain one day and went to a chiropractor to have that fixed. Chiro also noted subluxations in my spine.
He corrected subluxations at the level corresponding to my sinuses and stomach. I used to have TERRIBLE heartburn and TERRIBLE sinusitis for many years. BUT ever since the verterbrae started staying in place, these issues have disappeared totally.
Kobulingam 3 years ago
You're TOTALLY full of shit.
Blndrfist 3 years ago 2
Mas, you are so wrong about that. A subluxation is VERY real and the source of many patients fibromyalgia along with a lot of other symptoms.
Magicmanny 3 years ago