Shabir attacks Biblical passages about women and suggests God rescued Jesus from the cross and that Muslims must believe in Jesus. Of course he is speaking about the Islamic version of Jesus based on the word of Muhammed.
Dave says he wants both books. He tries to contradict the claim that the Quran is a violent book. He contradicts this, suggesting that the Quran is peaceful and the Bible is violent. He points to Abraham's promise, Moses' command to kill, Joshua's attack of Jericho, David's murder of Philistines, Samson's killing of Philistines as an inspiration for suicide killing, Elijah's, story of the murder of the children, Elijah's slaughter of the priests of Baal, the NT praise of Samson, etc.
Dave shows the implication of the Quran in Surah 4:157 "they killed him not but it appeared to be so". He shows that this means the foundation of Christianity is a deception of Allah. Dave says the apostles would not have died for a lie. He says that we're being asked to throw all the gospel witnesses out just because of Surah 4:157. He says that we're being expected to throw everything out for that one verse.
Dave attacks Shabir's version of events at the resurrection, particularly about the spear and Shabir's denial that the crucifixion took place. He suggests Shabir's account doesn't add up. He suggests that the apostles DIED telling this story. He reminds Shabir that not one of the apostles denied the gospel. He says that Shabir's indirect implication that the disciples were paid to say those things is false. He said they were certain of the things they preached, even risking being hated.
@rightlydivide so you believe God allowed himself to die in pain and suffering on the cross, begging for his life as he slowly, painfully bled to death? You believe that it's possible for 3 persons to make up God. Many compare it with marriage. But that doesn't make sense, since a marriage consists of two people, with differing opinions and different souls, with different desires and intentions, so they can't literally be one. It's like saying 3 wholes make one whole.
@Zeegoner If your talking about God why do you think it should make sense? Are you as intelligent as God? God cannot make sense to finite people. sorry
I have poor grammer, It makes sense to have One True God. Jesus cannot be God, and the Holy spirit is a innovation. A very clear innovation. People must remember that Tawheed, the oneness of God was taught before Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), Look at the Old Testament, there are tons of verses that speak of the oneness of God, if God is one then how can Jesus be God. That is utter shirk. May Allah forgive us for even contemplating ideas as such as that. Prophet Mohammed's teachings, the last chance.
Doesn't make sense to have One True God, One Lord of everything.The Lord of you, me, of Jesus (PBUH), Mohammad (PBUH), and everyone. Instead of multiple Monothestic slash Polythesitic perspectives from the early teaching of the Bible. The Bible was pure, and holy, but it has been corrupted for, multiple reasons. One God, One Lord, just makes sense.
@rightlydivide lol one day god is 3 the next day god is 5 the next day god is 25 ETC ETC.
Give up man give up!!
I can write my OWN BIBLE AND 100 MILLION CHRISTIANS WILL BELIEVE IN MY BIBLE LITERALLY man.
stop being ignorant and everyone who is watching this video is also READING YOUR COMMENTS AND THEY ALL KNOW THAT YOUR IGNORANT and narrow minded. wake up dude youve be sleeping for 2000 years now.
@RoadhouseStudios Well you say what doesnt make sense but believing in a God you have never ever seen make absolutely no sense. Where is Allah and why is he hiding?
most christian think that we Muslims are brainwashed...no we are not...we think with the most basic logical way of thinking..we human are a logical creature and i believe we all agree that..and Islam fulfill that need in us. it put our heart in ease and put our mind in rest. our concept of God is so clear, only One with no associated partner...but christian concept of god is so unlogical, three is one, one is three...? three is three..one is one..that's the correct english i believe.
@amirzubairmughal i agree with u, if "chirstians' (which i was) would look at the 'proof' outside of 'christianity' their eyes would be open, but they don't becuz they r so brainwashed that anything outside of 'christianity' is from satan. if jesus' birth date is not the 25th of dec n is a lie, what else has 'satan' thrown in there? the bible doesnt teach this, man does. keep listening to men, and u will be deceived. the bible tells u all men r liars n we r not to follow after man but the TRUTH
There R also certain verses dat is written in da Bible dat Jesus is the son of God bt cant write down all in here as its gonna be too long n i hav only 500 charactrs left 2 write. Even long before he is born in this world,lots of prophets have prophesiesd about him in the Bible,and all the prophesies have come true on Him
@cryctalite08 he is not even archangel...he is Chris angel...actually I have watched the video of behind the magic trick,and it shows under the water they had put some glasses so that Chris could walk on the water.and jesus didnt used such tricks!...lol
@zorinmawii from the bible he did things after the resurrection but did he died again afterwards? how was his life? seemed that nobody ever mentioned it according to bible
i'm not that fascinated by magician but when people justified certain human as god just because they can work some miracles, i considered it as absurd
@cryctalite08 thousnds of years bfore Jesus came in dis world,it had been prophesies by certain prophet in the bible tat Jesus(the messiah)will come 2 dis world,N dat he will be slay 4 da redemtion of our sins,tat aftr 3 days he will raise agn.All dis come true on Jesus life.He is crucify in the cross,raise agn aftr 3 days frm da tomb.Ascended to heaven in da presence of 11 of his apostles.An angel told da watchin disciples dat Jesus 2nd comin wld take place in da same mannr as his ascension.
@zorinmawii almost similar to what i believe but i never believe that he was crucified nor he was resurrected afterward but yes i believe that he was raised to heaven and definitely will come again to the world. sometimes i get confused when people believe him as a messiah and also as god
@cryctalite08 I hav a prove tat Jesus is da messiah & da son of God.Da day wen my granpa was about to past away,he raise up his hands and said,"I'm going to Jesus,Jesus is calling me"he keep on repeatin ovr & ovr agn.No one hav an idea tat he's gonna die a couple of hrs later coz he is ill 4 bout a week already.Also,der is one man in my place who had been shot wit several bullets in his head,he ws dead for bout 7hrs already,den he wakes up agn.Surely,he can tell hw he met jesus during his death
@zorinmawii i believe that he was a messiah but sorry...your story bout yr grandpa did not prove him to be of divine entity..anyone who was raised with the knowledge of him from young wud definitely repeated his name prior to anything..especially in delirious state. if someone was raised as buddhist..do u think that he wud be saying jesus name on his deathbed? i dont think so..i dont mean to offend u, it was just the reasons u've been giving was mostly based by peoples' assumptions..
@cryctalite08 my grandpa is the type of a guy who hardly even tell a white lie......i know him well,he will never make up a story which is not real.....
@zorinmawii i dont accuse yr grandpa a lier, what i meant..anyone who is sick can be delirious and say anything..but my point is..he was raised as christian..its not a miracle or prove of divinity when he said that he saw Jesus...that's why i ask u if someone raised as buddhist...do u think that he would be calling Jesus name on his deathbead??..it is just a simple question..
Jesus will tell the modern Christians that he never was divine nor God himself but a Prophet sent to the house of Israel. Jesus only did everything with the authority and permission by Allah.
No Christian can answer with a verse from the Bible where Jesus accepts being GOD OR SAYS I AM GOD OR I AM THE LORD OR I AM DIVINE! No where can that be found.
@rightlydivide verily verily i say unto you before Abraham was i m.. but there are verses where Jesus says that i m not God,, is that contradiction or your lack of understanding,, thats actually paganisim,,like hidu Gods were actually more powerfull then your ideologies or defination of God,, but listen that :i am: means not God but it is the messege which every prophet given to mankind ,,before Abrahim Adam was the prophet in the Bible,,and he had same mesege,,
@amirzubairmughal its not paganism.....In ONE God there is three things,ie, The father,the son and the holy spirit,together they work as one.Dnt be confuse to think "how can it be one when you say three?". Well,lemme explain this way,in one egg there are three things,the yolk,the albumen,and the shell,together they form ONE egg.It could be very foolish to say,' this is a yolk,not an egg' coz even the yolk is a part of the egg.It was as simple as that.
@zorinmawii but if shell broke then egg cant keep its shape ,, like when jesus died on cross ,,that was happen exactly which you are explaining to me,,
@amirzubairmughal U are so stupid to used your human logical reasoning.Yes,if the shell broke the egg cant keep its shape bcoz the egg is powerless.But God is the maker of the universe,do u think he will be so powerless to function bcoz His son (which is a part oh Him) died on the cross?.God said without the shed of blood,there will be no forgiveness for our sin.And when Adam & eve sinned in Eden,he already planned Jesus to died on the cross for our salvation.
@amirzubairmughal Wat i'm saying is God is not gonna used your ideas or logic in His plan and His creation,including me or anyone else.Where R u anywy wen God makes heaven N earth?If God say He can do it U dnt have a right to opposed Him coz U r only one of his creation.That's wy He will do it in his own way,bcoz He is God N his wy is God WAY,not your way or my way.Yes,I'm fully sure about wat I believes in.
@zorinmawii , i didnt make any idea or logic , you stared first with Egg ,,well i simply believe on God ,,and i m not confuse at all ,, i m fully sure ,so you are also sure you said, so its good thing , now over work is to love each other not to hate , okey . so will love you if you will ,but of you will hate me then same reaction ,, you what you say my friend
@amirzubairmughal I'm juz using egg as an example so dat U would undrstnd it.Why should I ever hate U?I'm juz telling U da truth.Besides Jesus told us to even love our enemy! (frankly that's so difficult for a human,i alone find it really diff!..it's easy to love someone who love you,but to love your enemey is da hardest thing....dat's da subj that I'm still learning even today.....
@zorinmawii John 3:16 according to the New International Version For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou (David) art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
JESUS IS NOT THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAN AND YOUR LOGIC AND THEORY IS FALSE!
@rightlydivide I don't see anywhere that JESUS SAYS I AM GOD OR I AM THE LORD OR I AM THE FATHER OR I AM DIVINE.
How simple is it but you can't seem to find that. All you're faith is based upon is God being Crucified on a Cross as Jesus.
Yet there is no verse of your Pauline Christianity where you can point to Jesus saying that he himself is the Lord or is Divine. Give me one verse saying himself that he is so.
@supermankhan Acts 20:28 tells us, "...Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood." Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased the church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!
@supermankhan Muslim always says when they quarreled with christian ,"Jesus did not say,I'm God,I'm the Lord,worship me". Well,let me tell you also,Jesus did not say,"I'm not God,I'm not the Lord,don't worship me". There are certain things He could not confess before he fullfilled his mission.But you see action speaks louder than words.His death,resurrection and a all the symbol,whatever prophesies in the bible even thousands of years before He had ever been born in this world had come true
@zorinmawii But he did say he was a Prophet. Luke 24:19 “And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:”
Matthew 21:11 “And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.”
Luke 7:16 “And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us”
@zorinmawii You can't just give me a verse and say here look he's called Son of God. Cause even in the OLD TESTAMENT any righteous person was called Son of God. So that's not a very valid point. Again Jesus was a powerful special Prophet that did everything by the will of God.
@supermankhan Jesus as only da prophet of god is only on Muhammed ideas N belives,and u hav 2 knw christianity is much2 mor older den islamic religion."For god so loved da world(world refers 2 us,human being).That He gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON dat whosoevr beliv in Him shld not perish bt hav everlasting life. John 3:16.Yes,not only in the old testament,bt even today in da new testament,people who belivs in Jesus Christ are called da son of God coz through Him we inherit da kingdm of God
@zorinmawii John 3:16 according to the New International Version: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
WAS JESUS THE ONLY SON OF GOD? NO.
Psalms 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou (David) art
@zorinmawii John 3:16 according to the New International Version: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou (David) art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Respond to this video... He said to them,"Bt who do you say that I am?". So they said,"some say John the baptist,some Elijah,and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He said to them,"Bt who do u say dat I am?". Simono Peter answered and said,"U R the Christ,the Son of the living God." Jesus answered and said to him,"Blessed R u,Simon Bar-Jonah,4 flesh N blood has not revealed this 2 U,bt my Father who is in heaven.".(matt 16:13-17)cn't type all,too long..
@supermankhan well off the top here can it be found john 8:58 Jesus told them, "I can guarantee this truth: Before Abraham was ever born, I am." 59 Then some of the Jews picked up stones to throw at Jesus. However, Jesus was concealed, and he left the temple courtyard.
@piqlol The biggest speech he is about to say according to you that he is The Lord and than he runs away? Talk about being a powerful Lord he ran away. So logically speaking he never got to finish what he was going to say and ran for it.
I always here that verse from "born again Christians" and that is pretty weak. Your saying he is confessing to be the Lord the biggest testimony ever and he tries to escape the Jews. How illogical is that.
It's like saying I'm Superman and than I run away.
2. What have they done to show their repentance? Just asking for forgiveness isn't good enough, there is still the pain/damage you caused that must be fixed. Allah doesn't want to help people he just wants superficial statements made by people who don't really care.
@godswordsheal You're getting ahead of yourself. Allah does not just forgive anyone for whatevery they did. In 67:13-14 Allah says, "And keep your opinion secret or proclaim it, lo! He is KNower of all that is in the breasts (of men). Should He not Know what He created? An He is the Subtile, the Aware." You see, if Allah sees that you are actually sorry and he knows that after repenting you won't go back to sin, He will forgive you Inshallah. But if he decides to not, then u recieve punishment
@ShortyMubarak You believe that if you ask for forgiveness sincerely that you can truly never sin again? I'm sorry but the text says nothing about never sinning again. Are you allowed to add to the words of the Qur'an? Surah 67:12 "As for those who fear their Rabb, although they have not seen Him, shall have forgiveness and a great reward." There's nothing about never sinning again. You only have to be truly sorry to be forgiven.
@godswordsheal Im sorry, i confused my words. I did not mean to say that if you never go back to sin you'll be forgiven. Allah can forgive you as He wills, even if He knows that you'll go back to sin, BUT THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM NOT ALLAH'S. As far as Allah is concerned, He really doesn't care if you sin or not, for He can punish you as much as needed. And hey! its in human nature to sin!!!! its in us alright?
@ShortyMubarak What kind of god is that? Muslims are always telling me that my faith makes it ok for me to sin as long as I accept Jesus, even though that's not true. But now you are telling me that your god does that? Which is it, does he punish you until you are good or does he forgive you until you are good? It can't be both.
@godswordsheal You are not getting what im trying to tell you. When i said He can punish you as much as needed, I meant to say that He will punish you with the just punishment. Not making it harsher than needed, neither making it too slightly than deserving. I hope im explaining myself well this time.
@ShortyMubarak It seems to me that there is no real punishment for evil. I know Muslims believe that everyone is going to hell, some longer than others, but then will everyone reach paradise eventually? If you kill someone what is a just punishment? So, first allah punishes you and then forgives you? Like I said before if you punish someone then they aren't forgiven because they pay for their sin. If you forgive them then there is no payment for the sin. You cannot have both.
@godswordsheal People who have gone to prison and recieved punishments for rape, murder and so on most of the time come back doing it again!!! Take adultery as an example. It has a harsh punishment for the ones who do it. But even so after getting punished one may easily go back to it. ITS IN OUR NATURE TO SIN AND THAT IS WHY ALLAH IS MERCIFUL WITH US.
@ShortyMubarak I agree 100% but if you sin and die before you get to ask for forgiveness then you go to hell. But Jesus died for you so that as long as you belong to Him that even if you do accidentally sin, He promises that His blood will cover you. That doesn't mean you can sin purposefully, but accidents will be forgiven because Jesus knows our imperfections. Can Muhammad promise that?
@godswordsheal No it does not work like that. On the day of judgement our deeds will be put into a balance where on one side lays the bad deeds and on the other the good deeds. If the bad one's outweigh the good one's, you go to hell, and recieve your JUST punishment. This also goes vise versa. However, you claim that Jesus will cover up for your mistaken sins. So does Allah!! He will not punish you for something that you did not know it was sinful. BTW, Mohammad is a prophet not a God.
@ShortyMubarak So, are Muslims universalists? Everyone is saved eventually? I didn't say you don't know its sinful, I said you accidentally sin, you don't desire to sin, but you do. Well lets not get into the subject of whether Muslims treat Muhammad as a god, it won't help the conversation.
A real god does not leave his people out in the mud like Allah seems to do. My God saves those who love Him through a Holy act of sacrifice that can cover anyone and everyone if only they would believe it. Allah sits ruling over the people he created while watching them continually stumble and die with no plan to save them from themselves. They continue to ruin the great things he has given them and he just sits watching them do it and then forgiving them for it with no reparations, no grace.
I've listened to so may debates in my life but I've never seen somebody loose this badly. That was a masterpiece by Shabir Ally. David Hunt, stay away from debating
Muslim scholars. It is obvious that you've been crashed by Shabir. That was really embarrassing, really really embarrassing for those Christians attending this debate.
Now I am reminding you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you indeed received and in which you also stand.Through it you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I handed on to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures; that he was buried; that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures;that he appeared to Cephas,
Wow we got so many beliver say how can God die. Well you got to open your mind. you can kill an innocent animal in atonement for your sin, yet you don't see what God's plan was. God does not cross out His word by abrogating it but give us choice to believe in His Word that was made flesh sacrificed for the Love of His priced creation which are us
Let's be wise and realize how hard it is for any side to come to understanding. I am trying to understand Dave Hunt, AND Shabir Ally's view point. I don't believe "everyone is right" or that either of these people are retarded in their thinking. Pick a side, learn/live and see in the end who was right. The God I currently believe in, in my opinion would not damn people, that would "convert" as soon as they saw the angels in heaven themselves! This world is more like a test of some kind.
@lildude2001soc except for the fact that God the Father said that Jesus is God and that the Bible makes tons of ref. to the fact that Jesus is God, and that Jesus said He is God. Open your brainwashed mind to the truth
@jumpbox92 lol i have sir at the time i was not sure to be a muslim or christian at the time. and just to let u know your late and im debating against muslims now.
The truth, with Allah swt's Grace will always find its way out of the most difficult of situations.
May Allah bless Shabir Ally, his parents & his teachers.
Actual facts are more important, regardless of the speakers' physical infirmities, though excuses are made 4 some ppl when the balance of a debate starts 2 turn against one speaker because the foundation of his argument is rather unsound & illogical!
The church has turned Isah (Jesus) ibn Mayam in2 a god yet his teachings say hes prophet!
If some of the stories in the Bible isn't true like the resurrection of Jesus that would mean the Bible is not infallible and is a false doctrine. Then why would he use both the Bible and the koran when the koran is all true and the Bible isn't? Why would he trust the stories that the Bible has that the Koran doesn't when there is a chance that that story has been tampered with. The Bible is the truth.
Wow. All of Christianity is based on just a Cross! Can you believe it! If there was no Cross (which in Jewish traditions it means that whoever dies on the Cross is cursed by God, thus the Jews wanted to crucify Jesus) But nay, Allah does let his prophets die in such a manner, especially such a humble and powerful prophet.
@supermankhan Because you fail to understand one simple simple concept, and that is God can do WHATEVER HE WANTS TOO. Period. if He wants to die a horrible death on the cross for the sins of mankind (to show how much He loves us) ???? He CAN. If he wants to raise for the grave to show how awesome He is??!! HE CAN. If He wants to show how awesome he is throughout eternity because what He did for us???!! HE CAN!!! PERIOD.
@rightlydivide But doesn't mean he has to do that to show us how awesome god is.
It's just stupid to think that god would manifest himself as Jesus or as some other Christians believe make a son just to show how kind he is? Than I'm sorry to say that Christians are very weak of faith because they need god to be in human form to believe in his love. JESUS WAS A MORTAL AND WILL COME BACK TO TASTE DEATH. AND THE LORD IS EVER LASTING ETERNAL.
@supermankhan God can do what He wants to do; just because you don't understand why He would, doesn't mean its not true. I can think of one reason why He Would want too....because thru-out eternity, He will get the glory for doing such a great act of love and mercy.
@rightlydivide No that is not true. His mercy was when he sent his Prophets and Messenger to communities to make people believe in MONOTHEISM. That the LORD is one with out partners or sons and daughters. He shows his mercy when the vegetation sprout from the ground and the rain shower us as the clouds move throughout the man made borders. He does not have to show us act of love at one specific time in history to mankind. That is completely wrong to believe he needs glory from us.
@rightlydivide BUT you forget one important thing. God must give the human a way to find the real religion. And you can do it by logic. It´s not enough to say he can. We all know that he can do evrything but if it´s unlogical why should someone follow it? Why do we have a mind? So many christians say you can not prove it that´s faith, you have to belive. but that says the Hindu also. That´s not working!!!!!!
@rightlydivide Why should you be able to proof it. until now nobody could proof it. It would interest me where you wanna find this mountains of proof. The most open minded people know, that there are tons of constradicTions in the Bible. Beginnig with that, that Jesus never claimed to be God but he often said that he serves God. You and evrybody know, that in the year 325 Konstantin decided to make Jesus God.
@supermankhan I think it's so amazing the God chose to enter into human life personally and then give Himself so that we now can come to Him with our repentance and receive grace! Jesus totally died a cursed, criminals death on a tree (the tradition you are referring to) so that whoever should believe in Him should not die but have eternal life.
@godswordsheal God did not chose to enter human life physically. God chose His Prophets and Messengers and His Angels to deliver his books and messages to humanity. God would not let Jesus (or himself) DIE A CURSED DEATH. Every creation of God has to die first. God is merciful and compassionate and does not need his Messengers or Prophets (or in Christianity case God himself) does not need to die on humanities behalf to show how loving he is. He created all that is in Heaven and Earth with love
@supermankhan I'm sorry that you deny God's truth and love because you refuse to believe in Christ when He said "I AM". Your rejection of Christ as God is your rejection of Allah. When Thomas doubted Jesus' resurrection and demanded to see him and touch his nailed hands and pierced side; Jesus appeared to the disciples and said to Thomas John 20:27 "Then he said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out you hand and put it into my side. STOP DOUBTING and BELIEVE.'"
@godswordsheal No I will not take into account the authorship of Johns book cause most likely words have been taken out and added. Misinterpreted and penetrated with forgery. Why do you go back and forth to God and Christ? Why would Christ be addressing himself when he would cry out to God? And yes Allah is the right way to call upon the Lord. I BELIEVE in the ONENESS OF ALLAH; HIS ANGELS, HIS BOOKS, HIS MESSENGERS & PROPHETS, HIS GRACE AND OUR PRE-DESTINED FATE AND THE JUDGMENT DAY.
@supermankhan Most likely? Do you have any proof to back up your assertion or are you just going by what someone else told you? If you believe in the Qur'an that says to "Ask the People of the Book" then you should realize that the same Gospel of John we have today is almost an exact copy of the Gospel of John that we had before, during, and after the time of Muhammad, we have thousands of manuscripts to prove this. You have to believe that the bible is corrupt or your whole faith is a lie.
@godswordsheal Look up CODEX SINATICUS. Its the OLDEST Bible found and yet most of the text in it is not the same today in modern Bibles. You are just putting your opinion out there. Please do some research and show me where it says that the Gospel of John is 100% the same Gospel of John in history. You are correct about having thousands of manuscripts but with different translations. All of them are different from one another. You hardly would know if you're reading the right bible. GoResearch!
@supermankhan wow. I'm impressed a Muslim actually said something with some truth to it. But, although you are true about one thing the rest is mostly false. Its true that Sinaiticus is our oldest COMPLETE bible and that there are some textual difference, some extra books, and the books are in a different order than are today. What you fail to mention is that we have EARLIER manuscripts (you know what a manuscript is right?) of every book in the New Testament.
@godswordsheal You should be impressed because a Muslim said something with some truth to it? You are a very bias and judgmental person aren't you... The Codex, which was originally around 1,400 pages long, is now a collection of 800 pages and fragments. If you want to call it COMPLETE, than SURE. But all other MANUSCRIPTS that have been found are as early as 4th CENTURY. A few hundred years after Jesus (pbuh). So stop playing games and telling me to go do research on your religion. You NEED to.
@supermankhan Actually, once again you are incorrect with your dates. The "Magdalene" Manuscript of Matt. 26 is dated within the time of Jesus, the "John Rhyland" Manuscript of John is dated as early as 90 AD, the "Bodmer Papyrus II" of John is also dated as early as 90 AD, the "Chester Beatty Papyri" of the entire New Testament is only about maybe 150 years from the time of the events. None of these are fourth Century, and there are many more like these within 200 years of the time of Jesus.
@supermankhan 2.Its unfortunate that Muslims have to lie and secondly they use the toughest standards on the Bible but the loosest standards on the Qur'an, give me ONE manuscript WITHIN 200 years of the time of Muhammad. Even give me one Manuscript of the whole Qur'an within 750 years! I gave you a whole New Testament within 200yrs of Jesus, surely you have something similar for the Qur'an!
@godswordsheal This oldest copy of the Qur'an is attributed to the third caliph Uthman. In 651, 19 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Uthman commissioned a committee to produce a standard copy of the text of Quran. Five of these original Qur'ans were sent to the major Muslim cities of the era, with Uthman keeping one for his own use in Medina. It is sometimes called Othmanic codex, Othmanic recension, Samarkand codex, Samarkand manuscript or Tashkent Qur'an.
@supermankhan Two ancient partial copies of Koran that are in existence are the Samarkand MSS is in Tashkent and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul What many Muslim's do not know is that because these two manuscripts were written in a script style called Kufic practicing Muslim scholars generally date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died.
@godswordsheal What missionary site are you getting that from? That has been used on anti-Islamic sites for very long and can debunked as well. The Earliest Dated Kufic Inscription From Qā‘ al-Mu‘tadil, Near Al-Hijr (Saudi Arabia), 24 AH. This inscription, it appears, is destined to be the most famous of all the Arabic inscriptions as the UNESCO has added it to the Memory of the World Register of Documentary Collections. So please stop trying to look into PAULINE CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY WEBSITES.
@godswordsheal And you're heart is already closed. And not willing to know the truth of monotheism. You will always keep arguing with weak claims and believe in a Christianity that was different from the early Christians. Cause James (Jesus brother) was against Paul's Christianity and thus he was stoned to death. And now you modern Christians not only follow Pauline Christianity but also do it with a blind eye!
@supermankhan Even just give me one manuscript of the gospel during the time of James that says that Jesus is not God. You blindly believe every false word from Muhammad and deny the truth of Jesus Christ. There is Only, One True God, and His name is NOT Allah.
@godswordsheal reread Matthew's gospel and, lo, in it Jesus never claims to be divine, only the Son of Man or Son of God (like David). The majority of Church Fathers agree that the Ebionites rejected many of the central Christian views of Jesus such as his pre-existence, divinity, virgin birth, atoning death, and physical resurrection. Ebionites regarded James the Just as their leader, after Jesus' death and they opposed Paul. NO WHERE IN JAMES DOES IT SAY ONCE THAT JESUS IS GOD HIMSELF!
@godswordsheal James also wrote, “You believe that God is one you do well.” (James 2:19 NRSV) For even Jesus spoke Aramaic and called upon God by saying ALLAH! Get that straight. You are brainwashed by the Pauline Church. Even Peter never believe Jesus was God! You're a sad person trying to run away from the truth. Only if you were eager to look for it
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. -QUR'AN
@godswordsheal Do NOT CAPITALIZE Lord. Cause in the Bible there's a difference between Lord and LORD. The Lord being just a master while the capitalize LORD being the FATHER, GOD. Eve you must know that. So obviously you don't know what you're talking about and just trying to convince yourself that your Pauline Christianity can make sense. Give me a VERSE FROM THE BIBLE WHERE JESUS SAYS I AM GOD OR I AM THE LORD OR I AM DIVINE! If you are truthful you can try. But you'll lie to yourself and me.
@supermankhan Incorrect. "In regard to the divine name YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragrammaton, the translators adopted the device used in most English versions of rendering that name as "Lord" in capital letter to distinguish if from Adonai, another Hebrew word rendered "Lord," for which small letter are used." This is from the Preface to my NIV.
@godswordsheal Matthew 7:21-24 "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
@supermankhan Matt. 8:6 "Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering." 7Jesus said to him, "I will go and heal him"
If Jesus was a Muslim would He allow ANYONE to call him "Lord"=Adonai? NO, He would have rebuked Him and said "There is ONLY ONE LORD!" But He didn't say that because Jesus is God.
Nope he NEVER said JESUS IS GOD. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone." Luke 18:19.
Jesus is separating himself from being God. Why is it hard for you to understand? God tells people many times that he is a Prophet and that he was sent to the lost house of Israel only by God!
Muslim literally means "one who submits (to God)" Just like the Prophet Jesus! And every other Prophet and Messenger
Luke 18:28-30 "Peter said to him, "We have left all we had to follow you!" "I tell you the truth," Jesus said to them, "no one who has left home or wife of brothers...will fail to recieve many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life." Tell me, for whom did Peter say they left everything and what did Jesus PROMISE them for following him?
@godswordsheal No Christian can answer with a verse from the Bible where Jesus accepts being GOD OR SAYS I AM GOD OR I AM THE LORD OR I AM DIVINE! No where can that be found.
@supermankhan Matt. 8:29 "What do you want with us , Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Demons called Him the Son of God.
Matt. 12:8...Please tell me who is the Lord of the Sabbath?
@godswordsheal In post-Biblical Judaism, the title was often applied to righteous men: Sirach 4:10 and Wisdom of Solomon 2:17-18 use the term to refer to just men, and Book of Jubilees 1:24-25 has God declaring all righteous men to be his sons. Philo too wrote that good people are sons of God, and various rabbis in the Talmud declare that when Israelites are good, they are sons of God.
@supermankhan WOW! Are you in the Book of Jubilees! Your argument is sad if you have to go to the Book of Jubilees and the "Wisdom of Solomon" Tell me when those heretical books were written. You are the one who said Jesus isn't called the Son of God in Matthew and I was proving you wrong.
@supermankhan 2."Adonai is the verbal parallel to Yahweh and Jehovah. Adonai is plural; the singular is adon. In reference to God the plural Adonai is used. When the singular adon is used, it usually refers to a human lord." This is an explanation of the uses of Adonai in the bible.
@supermankhan Give me one Ayah from the Qur'an where Muhammad says that he is the last prophet from Allah or I didn't have sex with a nine year old or God doesn't hate me! If you are truthful you can try but you'll lie to yourself and me. Hopefully if you are intelligent you can see how stupid your question is.
@godswordsheal There you go again I figured you couldn't answer me. You just became hostile and ignorant like how your Pauline Christianity teaches you. You are more lost then a sheep. First answer the questions to yourself and me.
So give me a VERSE FROM THE BIBLE WHERE JESUS SAYS I AM GOD OR I AM THE LORD OR I AM DIVINE!
@supermankhan Jesus didn't have to say that to say that to say that He is God. Only in your Muslim mind that has been corrupted by Muhammad's false teachings, does your argument seem truthful. He did not say I am God...But if He has to say those exact words for you to believe Him then equally the fact that He never says "I am not God" should just confuse you. Unless you can give me a verse where He says that then we have to figure another way to tell if He claimed to be God or not, dontcha think
@supermankhan Stop running behind your false prophet! Really THINK about what Jesus said and did in the bible. If He is just a prophet why did He say "I and the Father are one", and don't just deny it, really think about it. I don't care about your silly excuses because Muhammad told you so. Why did the writer of the Qur'an not know what Christians believe about the Trinity. He said that Jesus never said worship Him and his mother..no christian has ever believed that mary was part of the trinity
@godswordsheal he also said I and the people are one just like I and the father are one. You read specific stuff from your own bible as well. You're trying to force yourself to make Jesus into God. Even Jesus will tell you that he does not know you.
@supermankhan 2.Why did the Jews want to kill Him whenever He said things like "My Father is working to this very day and I, too, am working" ? If He was not saying that He is God then why doesn't He correct them. Since He doesn't either He IS claiming to be God OR He is a terrible, horrible Muslim!!! I'd like to hear you say "I and God are one" at your mosque and see how you are treated...
@supermankhan What are you blabbering about? Again I challenge you, go into a mosque and say "I and God are one!" Then tell me how it goes...Until then you are not a real Muslim and you hate God.
@godswordsheal That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. Why on earth would I say I and God are one when I been telling you no one is like unto God. Even Moses wanted to see God and couldn't handle it.
You are just a brainwashed child. You believe in idols and polytheism. You do not follow monotheism.
@supermankhan HA! So you admit that you CAN'T SAY THAT, unless you were God. Jesus said it. So either Jesus was a BLASPHEMER or MUHAMMAD was FALSE! Thank God that the truth has come out!
@supermankhan 2.Sinaiticus is only the earliest complete bible we have found, it is NOT the earliest attestation to its text. It is awesome that anyone on earth with a computer can actually look online at the actual Codex Sinaiticus for themselves in the direct greek or through a few other languages. Yes do go and research.
@supermankhan “O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers..."
David hunt : ahhh i am stupid, Ahhh i am too stupid... ahhh lol yes, i am stupid ahhhh :)
flexpape 3 weeks ago
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Shabir attacks Biblical passages about women and suggests God rescued Jesus from the cross and that Muslims must believe in Jesus. Of course he is speaking about the Islamic version of Jesus based on the word of Muhammed.
jhall38 3 months ago
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Dave says he wants both books. He tries to contradict the claim that the Quran is a violent book. He contradicts this, suggesting that the Quran is peaceful and the Bible is violent. He points to Abraham's promise, Moses' command to kill, Joshua's attack of Jericho, David's murder of Philistines, Samson's killing of Philistines as an inspiration for suicide killing, Elijah's, story of the murder of the children, Elijah's slaughter of the priests of Baal, the NT praise of Samson, etc.
jhall38 3 months ago
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@jhall38 Shabir, not Dave says he wants....
jhall38 3 months ago
Dave shows the implication of the Quran in Surah 4:157 "they killed him not but it appeared to be so". He shows that this means the foundation of Christianity is a deception of Allah. Dave says the apostles would not have died for a lie. He says that we're being asked to throw all the gospel witnesses out just because of Surah 4:157. He says that we're being expected to throw everything out for that one verse.
jhall38 3 months ago
Dave attacks Shabir's version of events at the resurrection, particularly about the spear and Shabir's denial that the crucifixion took place. He suggests Shabir's account doesn't add up. He suggests that the apostles DIED telling this story. He reminds Shabir that not one of the apostles denied the gospel. He says that Shabir's indirect implication that the disciples were paid to say those things is false. He said they were certain of the things they preached, even risking being hated.
jhall38 3 months ago
@rightlydivide so you believe God allowed himself to die in pain and suffering on the cross, begging for his life as he slowly, painfully bled to death? You believe that it's possible for 3 persons to make up God. Many compare it with marriage. But that doesn't make sense, since a marriage consists of two people, with differing opinions and different souls, with different desires and intentions, so they can't literally be one. It's like saying 3 wholes make one whole.
Zeegoner 7 months ago
@Zeegoner Yes I believe that Jesus died for my sins. Just because you dont understand it does not make it false.
rightlydivide 7 months ago
@rightlydivide then wat will happen to us/.... we will all suffer in hell .YEAH BABY...
futbalgopal 1 week ago
@Zeegoner If your talking about God why do you think it should make sense? Are you as intelligent as God? God cannot make sense to finite people. sorry
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
I have poor grammer, It makes sense to have One True God. Jesus cannot be God, and the Holy spirit is a innovation. A very clear innovation. People must remember that Tawheed, the oneness of God was taught before Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), Look at the Old Testament, there are tons of verses that speak of the oneness of God, if God is one then how can Jesus be God. That is utter shirk. May Allah forgive us for even contemplating ideas as such as that. Prophet Mohammed's teachings, the last chance.
RoadhouseStudios 8 months ago 2
Doesn't make sense to have One True God, One Lord of everything.The Lord of you, me, of Jesus (PBUH), Mohammad (PBUH), and everyone. Instead of multiple Monothestic slash Polythesitic perspectives from the early teaching of the Bible. The Bible was pure, and holy, but it has been corrupted for, multiple reasons. One God, One Lord, just makes sense.
RoadhouseStudios 8 months ago 7
@RoadhouseStudios I agree! There is One God....contained in 3 persons, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. :)
rightlydivide 8 months ago
@rightlydivide lol one day god is 3 the next day god is 5 the next day god is 25 ETC ETC.
Give up man give up!!
I can write my OWN BIBLE AND 100 MILLION CHRISTIANS WILL BELIEVE IN MY BIBLE LITERALLY man.
stop being ignorant and everyone who is watching this video is also READING YOUR COMMENTS AND THEY ALL KNOW THAT YOUR IGNORANT and narrow minded. wake up dude youve be sleeping for 2000 years now.
afrikanballa 1 month ago
@RoadhouseStudios Well you say what doesnt make sense but believing in a God you have never ever seen make absolutely no sense. Where is Allah and why is he hiding?
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
Jesus is the son of God
MrFall2006 9 months ago
most christian think that we Muslims are brainwashed...no we are not...we think with the most basic logical way of thinking..we human are a logical creature and i believe we all agree that..and Islam fulfill that need in us. it put our heart in ease and put our mind in rest. our concept of God is so clear, only One with no associated partner...but christian concept of god is so unlogical, three is one, one is three...? three is three..one is one..that's the correct english i believe.
NurIslam44J1 9 months ago
@amirzubairmughal i agree with u, if "chirstians' (which i was) would look at the 'proof' outside of 'christianity' their eyes would be open, but they don't becuz they r so brainwashed that anything outside of 'christianity' is from satan. if jesus' birth date is not the 25th of dec n is a lie, what else has 'satan' thrown in there? the bible doesnt teach this, man does. keep listening to men, and u will be deceived. the bible tells u all men r liars n we r not to follow after man but the TRUTH
rayoflight5873 9 months ago
There R also certain verses dat is written in da Bible dat Jesus is the son of God bt cant write down all in here as its gonna be too long n i hav only 500 charactrs left 2 write. Even long before he is born in this world,lots of prophets have prophesiesd about him in the Bible,and all the prophesies have come true on Him
zorinmawii 11 months ago
@cryctalite08 he is not even archangel...he is Chris angel...actually I have watched the video of behind the magic trick,and it shows under the water they had put some glasses so that Chris could walk on the water.and jesus didnt used such tricks!...lol
zorinmawii 11 months ago
@zorinmawii from the bible he did things after the resurrection but did he died again afterwards? how was his life? seemed that nobody ever mentioned it according to bible
i'm not that fascinated by magician but when people justified certain human as god just because they can work some miracles, i considered it as absurd
cryctalite08 11 months ago
@cryctalite08 thousnds of years bfore Jesus came in dis world,it had been prophesies by certain prophet in the bible tat Jesus(the messiah)will come 2 dis world,N dat he will be slay 4 da redemtion of our sins,tat aftr 3 days he will raise agn.All dis come true on Jesus life.He is crucify in the cross,raise agn aftr 3 days frm da tomb.Ascended to heaven in da presence of 11 of his apostles.An angel told da watchin disciples dat Jesus 2nd comin wld take place in da same mannr as his ascension.
zorinmawii 11 months ago
@zorinmawii almost similar to what i believe but i never believe that he was crucified nor he was resurrected afterward but yes i believe that he was raised to heaven and definitely will come again to the world. sometimes i get confused when people believe him as a messiah and also as god
cryctalite08 11 months ago
@cryctalite08 I hav a prove tat Jesus is da messiah & da son of God.Da day wen my granpa was about to past away,he raise up his hands and said,"I'm going to Jesus,Jesus is calling me"he keep on repeatin ovr & ovr agn.No one hav an idea tat he's gonna die a couple of hrs later coz he is ill 4 bout a week already.Also,der is one man in my place who had been shot wit several bullets in his head,he ws dead for bout 7hrs already,den he wakes up agn.Surely,he can tell hw he met jesus during his death
zorinmawii 11 months ago
@zorinmawii i believe that he was a messiah but sorry...your story bout yr grandpa did not prove him to be of divine entity..anyone who was raised with the knowledge of him from young wud definitely repeated his name prior to anything..especially in delirious state. if someone was raised as buddhist..do u think that he wud be saying jesus name on his deathbed? i dont think so..i dont mean to offend u, it was just the reasons u've been giving was mostly based by peoples' assumptions..
cryctalite08 10 months ago
@cryctalite08 my grandpa is the type of a guy who hardly even tell a white lie......i know him well,he will never make up a story which is not real.....
zorinmawii 10 months ago
@zorinmawii i dont accuse yr grandpa a lier, what i meant..anyone who is sick can be delirious and say anything..but my point is..he was raised as christian..its not a miracle or prove of divinity when he said that he saw Jesus...that's why i ask u if someone raised as buddhist...do u think that he would be calling Jesus name on his deathbead??..it is just a simple question..
cryctalite08 10 months ago
@cryctalite08 lets see archangel raise himself from the death after 3 days.
jumpbox92 11 months ago
@jumpbox92 and what happened after resurrection...seemed to be no more story about jesus afterward... i wonder..
cryctalite08 11 months ago
@cryctalite08 lots of stories,read the whole Bible after the resurrection....and Jesus still works a miracle even today!
zorinmawii 11 months ago
I`m sick of this pld man!!!
MrRookie2 1 year ago
@MrRookie2 me too, I'm glad Dave Hunt shows us the word of God in the Bible about how Jesus died for our sins and is God in the flesh. Jesus is Lord
rightlydivide 8 months ago
@rightlydivide You do realise he was talking about Dave?
holepunchers1 7 months ago
@MrRookie2 lol me tooooo!!!
maxhot31 7 months ago
Jesus will tell the modern Christians that he never was divine nor God himself but a Prophet sent to the house of Israel. Jesus only did everything with the authority and permission by Allah.
No Christian can answer with a verse from the Bible where Jesus accepts being GOD OR SAYS I AM GOD OR I AM THE LORD OR I AM DIVINE! No where can that be found.
supermankhan 1 year ago 16
@supermankhan 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
I am, is the name of God. Yes, there is Bible passages that say that Jesus is God
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide Tell me a Bible passage where it says specifically that Jesus is God. Or better yet show me where Jesus says himself he is God.
Thanks :)
supermankhan 1 year ago
@rightlydivide verily verily i say unto you before Abraham was i m.. but there are verses where Jesus says that i m not God,, is that contradiction or your lack of understanding,, thats actually paganisim,,like hidu Gods were actually more powerfull then your ideologies or defination of God,, but listen that :i am: means not God but it is the messege which every prophet given to mankind ,,before Abrahim Adam was the prophet in the Bible,,and he had same mesege,,
amirzubairmughal 1 year ago 10
@amirzubairmughal its not paganism.....In ONE God there is three things,ie, The father,the son and the holy spirit,together they work as one.Dnt be confuse to think "how can it be one when you say three?". Well,lemme explain this way,in one egg there are three things,the yolk,the albumen,and the shell,together they form ONE egg.It could be very foolish to say,' this is a yolk,not an egg' coz even the yolk is a part of the egg.It was as simple as that.
zorinmawii 11 months ago
@zorinmawii but if shell broke then egg cant keep its shape ,, like when jesus died on cross ,,that was happen exactly which you are explaining to me,,
amirzubairmughal 11 months ago
@amirzubairmughal U are so stupid to used your human logical reasoning.Yes,if the shell broke the egg cant keep its shape bcoz the egg is powerless.But God is the maker of the universe,do u think he will be so powerless to function bcoz His son (which is a part oh Him) died on the cross?.God said without the shed of blood,there will be no forgiveness for our sin.And when Adam & eve sinned in Eden,he already planned Jesus to died on the cross for our salvation.
zorinmawii 11 months ago
@zorinmawii when i used my logic then i m stupid ,, and your logic is logical ,, hmmm
amirzubairmughal 11 months ago
@amirzubairmughal I dont used my logic or your logic...His way is God way,not yours or mine
zorinmawii 11 months ago
@zorinmawii ,, are you not sure about yourself ,, i m sure my way is God way,,
amirzubairmughal 11 months ago
@amirzubairmughal Wat i'm saying is God is not gonna used your ideas or logic in His plan and His creation,including me or anyone else.Where R u anywy wen God makes heaven N earth?If God say He can do it U dnt have a right to opposed Him coz U r only one of his creation.That's wy He will do it in his own way,bcoz He is God N his wy is God WAY,not your way or my way.Yes,I'm fully sure about wat I believes in.
zorinmawii 11 months ago
@zorinmawii , i didnt make any idea or logic , you stared first with Egg ,,well i simply believe on God ,,and i m not confuse at all ,, i m fully sure ,so you are also sure you said, so its good thing , now over work is to love each other not to hate , okey . so will love you if you will ,but of you will hate me then same reaction ,, you what you say my friend
amirzubairmughal 11 months ago
@amirzubairmughal I'm juz using egg as an example so dat U would undrstnd it.Why should I ever hate U?I'm juz telling U da truth.Besides Jesus told us to even love our enemy! (frankly that's so difficult for a human,i alone find it really diff!..it's easy to love someone who love you,but to love your enemey is da hardest thing....dat's da subj that I'm still learning even today.....
zorinmawii 11 months ago
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@zorinmawii John 3:16 according to the New International Version For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou (David) art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
JESUS IS NOT THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAN AND YOUR LOGIC AND THEORY IS FALSE!
supermankhan 11 months ago
@supermankhan Isaiah 48:16-17, John 15:26, Matthew 28:19, John 10:30, John 10:33, John 8:58, See John: 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58,and 13:19, Colossians 1:15-17, (John 1:1 + John 1:14), 1 Timothy 3:16, (Isaiah 7:14 + Matthew 1:23), Isaiah 9:6, Luke 7:16, John 5:18, John 13:13, Mark 14:61-62, John 14:9, John 14:10, John 20:28, Philippians 2:6, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16, 1 Timothy 6:15, Hebrews 1:2-3, Hebrews 1:8, Titus 2:13, Luke 5:20-24, Revelation 19:11-14, Revelation 1:8 no room for more.
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide I don't see anywhere that JESUS SAYS I AM GOD OR I AM THE LORD OR I AM THE FATHER OR I AM DIVINE.
How simple is it but you can't seem to find that. All you're faith is based upon is God being Crucified on a Cross as Jesus.
Yet there is no verse of your Pauline Christianity where you can point to Jesus saying that he himself is the Lord or is Divine. Give me one verse saying himself that he is so.
Thanks :)
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan Acts 20:28 tells us, "...Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood." Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased the church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@supermankhan Isaiah 48:16-17, John 15:26, Matthew 28:19, John 10:30, John 10:33, John 8:58, See John: 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58,and 13:19, Colossians 1:15-17, (John 1:1 + John 1:14), 1 Timothy 3:16, (Isaiah 7:14 + Matthew 1:23), Isaiah 9:6, Luke 7:16, John 5:18, John 13:13, Mark 14:61-62, John 14:9, John 14:10, John 20:28, Philippians 2:6, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16, 1 Timothy 6:15, Hebrews 1:2-3, Hebrews 1:8, Titus 2:13, Luke 5:20-24, Revelation 19:11-14, Learn to READ and you'll see. READ
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide I have read and still don't FIND anywhere JESUS SAY I AM THE LORD OR I AM GOD OR I AM DIVINE.
Please just don't write numbers. Give me ONE VERSE where Jesus calls himself - YES himself GOD OR YAHWEH OR DIVINE.
Thanks :)
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan John 8:58. If you dont know how to read, or understand what a person a saying, then you have no business making comments in here. READ.
rightlydivide 1 year ago
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@rightlydivide You are lost!!!
MrRookie2 1 year ago
@supermankhan Muslim always says when they quarreled with christian ,"Jesus did not say,I'm God,I'm the Lord,worship me". Well,let me tell you also,Jesus did not say,"I'm not God,I'm not the Lord,don't worship me". There are certain things He could not confess before he fullfilled his mission.But you see action speaks louder than words.His death,resurrection and a all the symbol,whatever prophesies in the bible even thousands of years before He had ever been born in this world had come true
zorinmawii 1 year ago
@zorinmawii But he did say he was a Prophet. Luke 24:19 “And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:”
Matthew 21:11 “And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.”
Luke 7:16 “And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us”
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan Read Matthew 16:13-20
zorinmawii 11 months ago
@zorinmawii You can't just give me a verse and say here look he's called Son of God. Cause even in the OLD TESTAMENT any righteous person was called Son of God. So that's not a very valid point. Again Jesus was a powerful special Prophet that did everything by the will of God.
supermankhan 11 months ago
@supermankhan Jesus as only da prophet of god is only on Muhammed ideas N belives,and u hav 2 knw christianity is much2 mor older den islamic religion."For god so loved da world(world refers 2 us,human being).That He gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON dat whosoevr beliv in Him shld not perish bt hav everlasting life. John 3:16.Yes,not only in the old testament,bt even today in da new testament,people who belivs in Jesus Christ are called da son of God coz through Him we inherit da kingdm of God
zorinmawii 11 months ago
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@zorinmawii John 3:16 according to the New International Version: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
WAS JESUS THE ONLY SON OF GOD? NO.
Psalms 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou (David) art
my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
DAVID IS ALSO THE SON OF GOD.
Please learn the Bible and find the truth.
supermankhan 11 months ago
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@zorinmawii John 3:16 according to the New International Version
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Psalms 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou (David) art
my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
supermankhan 11 months ago
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@zorinmawii John 3:16 according to the New International Version: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou (David) art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Again Jesus is NOT THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAN?
supermankhan 11 months ago
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@supermankhan Matthew 16:13 -20 just read this and you will know
zorinmawii 11 months ago
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@supermankhan Matthew 16:13-20 read this and you will know the thruth
zorinmawii 11 months ago
Respond to this video... He said to them,"Bt who do you say that I am?". So they said,"some say John the baptist,some Elijah,and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He said to them,"Bt who do u say dat I am?". Simono Peter answered and said,"U R the Christ,the Son of the living God." Jesus answered and said to him,"Blessed R u,Simon Bar-Jonah,4 flesh N blood has not revealed this 2 U,bt my Father who is in heaven.".(matt 16:13-17)cn't type all,too long..
zorinmawii 11 months ago
@supermankhan well off the top here can it be found john 8:58 Jesus told them, "I can guarantee this truth: Before Abraham was ever born, I am." 59 Then some of the Jews picked up stones to throw at Jesus. However, Jesus was concealed, and he left the temple courtyard.
piqlol 9 months ago in playlist islam
@piqlol The biggest speech he is about to say according to you that he is The Lord and than he runs away? Talk about being a powerful Lord he ran away. So logically speaking he never got to finish what he was going to say and ran for it.
I always here that verse from "born again Christians" and that is pretty weak. Your saying he is confessing to be the Lord the biggest testimony ever and he tries to escape the Jews. How illogical is that.
It's like saying I'm Superman and than I run away.
supermankhan 9 months ago
2. What have they done to show their repentance? Just asking for forgiveness isn't good enough, there is still the pain/damage you caused that must be fixed. Allah doesn't want to help people he just wants superficial statements made by people who don't really care.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal You're getting ahead of yourself. Allah does not just forgive anyone for whatevery they did. In 67:13-14 Allah says, "And keep your opinion secret or proclaim it, lo! He is KNower of all that is in the breasts (of men). Should He not Know what He created? An He is the Subtile, the Aware." You see, if Allah sees that you are actually sorry and he knows that after repenting you won't go back to sin, He will forgive you Inshallah. But if he decides to not, then u recieve punishment
ShortyMubarak 1 year ago
@ShortyMubarak You believe that if you ask for forgiveness sincerely that you can truly never sin again? I'm sorry but the text says nothing about never sinning again. Are you allowed to add to the words of the Qur'an? Surah 67:12 "As for those who fear their Rabb, although they have not seen Him, shall have forgiveness and a great reward." There's nothing about never sinning again. You only have to be truly sorry to be forgiven.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal Im sorry, i confused my words. I did not mean to say that if you never go back to sin you'll be forgiven. Allah can forgive you as He wills, even if He knows that you'll go back to sin, BUT THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM NOT ALLAH'S. As far as Allah is concerned, He really doesn't care if you sin or not, for He can punish you as much as needed. And hey! its in human nature to sin!!!! its in us alright?
ShortyMubarak 1 year ago
@ShortyMubarak What kind of god is that? Muslims are always telling me that my faith makes it ok for me to sin as long as I accept Jesus, even though that's not true. But now you are telling me that your god does that? Which is it, does he punish you until you are good or does he forgive you until you are good? It can't be both.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal You are not getting what im trying to tell you. When i said He can punish you as much as needed, I meant to say that He will punish you with the just punishment. Not making it harsher than needed, neither making it too slightly than deserving. I hope im explaining myself well this time.
ShortyMubarak 1 year ago
@ShortyMubarak It seems to me that there is no real punishment for evil. I know Muslims believe that everyone is going to hell, some longer than others, but then will everyone reach paradise eventually? If you kill someone what is a just punishment? So, first allah punishes you and then forgives you? Like I said before if you punish someone then they aren't forgiven because they pay for their sin. If you forgive them then there is no payment for the sin. You cannot have both.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal People who have gone to prison and recieved punishments for rape, murder and so on most of the time come back doing it again!!! Take adultery as an example. It has a harsh punishment for the ones who do it. But even so after getting punished one may easily go back to it. ITS IN OUR NATURE TO SIN AND THAT IS WHY ALLAH IS MERCIFUL WITH US.
ShortyMubarak 1 year ago
@ShortyMubarak I agree 100% but if you sin and die before you get to ask for forgiveness then you go to hell. But Jesus died for you so that as long as you belong to Him that even if you do accidentally sin, He promises that His blood will cover you. That doesn't mean you can sin purposefully, but accidents will be forgiven because Jesus knows our imperfections. Can Muhammad promise that?
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal No it does not work like that. On the day of judgement our deeds will be put into a balance where on one side lays the bad deeds and on the other the good deeds. If the bad one's outweigh the good one's, you go to hell, and recieve your JUST punishment. This also goes vise versa. However, you claim that Jesus will cover up for your mistaken sins. So does Allah!! He will not punish you for something that you did not know it was sinful. BTW, Mohammad is a prophet not a God.
ShortyMubarak 1 year ago
@ShortyMubarak So, are Muslims universalists? Everyone is saved eventually? I didn't say you don't know its sinful, I said you accidentally sin, you don't desire to sin, but you do. Well lets not get into the subject of whether Muslims treat Muhammad as a god, it won't help the conversation.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
A real god does not leave his people out in the mud like Allah seems to do. My God saves those who love Him through a Holy act of sacrifice that can cover anyone and everyone if only they would believe it. Allah sits ruling over the people he created while watching them continually stumble and die with no plan to save them from themselves. They continue to ruin the great things he has given them and he just sits watching them do it and then forgiving them for it with no reparations, no grace.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
I've listened to so may debates in my life but I've never seen somebody loose this badly. That was a masterpiece by Shabir Ally. David Hunt, stay away from debating
Muslim scholars. It is obvious that you've been crashed by Shabir. That was really embarrassing, really really embarrassing for those Christians attending this debate.
ProudAmerican2010 1 year ago
Now I am reminding you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you indeed received and in which you also stand.Through it you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I handed on to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures; that he was buried; that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures;that he appeared to Cephas,
swippletip 1 year ago
Wow we got so many beliver say how can God die. Well you got to open your mind. you can kill an innocent animal in atonement for your sin, yet you don't see what God's plan was. God does not cross out His word by abrogating it but give us choice to believe in His Word that was made flesh sacrificed for the Love of His priced creation which are us
silvaadman 1 year ago
@silvaadman i respect your idea, but!!
i pet you feel some confusion in the bible
but if you read the qur'an you will not see any confusion
and i admire this video and i would love if you see it.
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gQuaresma07 1 year ago
Let's be wise and realize how hard it is for any side to come to understanding. I am trying to understand Dave Hunt, AND Shabir Ally's view point. I don't believe "everyone is right" or that either of these people are retarded in their thinking. Pick a side, learn/live and see in the end who was right. The God I currently believe in, in my opinion would not damn people, that would "convert" as soon as they saw the angels in heaven themselves! This world is more like a test of some kind.
LampPlaceThing 1 year ago
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lildude2001soc 1 year ago
@lildude2001soc except for the fact that God the Father said that Jesus is God and that the Bible makes tons of ref. to the fact that Jesus is God, and that Jesus said He is God. Open your brainwashed mind to the truth
jumpbox92 1 year ago
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@jumpbox92 lol i have sir at the time i was not sure to be a muslim or christian at the time. and just to let u know your late and im debating against muslims now.
lildude2001soc 1 year ago
"you cant buy the disciples off"...well Judas was bought off pretty cheap ahaha
Propaine187 1 year ago
The truth, with Allah swt's Grace will always find its way out of the most difficult of situations.
May Allah bless Shabir Ally, his parents & his teachers.
Actual facts are more important, regardless of the speakers' physical infirmities, though excuses are made 4 some ppl when the balance of a debate starts 2 turn against one speaker because the foundation of his argument is rather unsound & illogical!
The church has turned Isah (Jesus) ibn Mayam in2 a god yet his teachings say hes prophet!
mawnyz1 1 year ago
If some of the stories in the Bible isn't true like the resurrection of Jesus that would mean the Bible is not infallible and is a false doctrine. Then why would he use both the Bible and the koran when the koran is all true and the Bible isn't? Why would he trust the stories that the Bible has that the Koran doesn't when there is a chance that that story has been tampered with. The Bible is the truth.
XodusOnan 1 year ago
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The bible is truth confounded with falsehoods of man-made stories.
Propaine187 1 year ago
look at the white american faces lol they start to doubt ....
eriblood 1 year ago
Wow. All of Christianity is based on just a Cross! Can you believe it! If there was no Cross (which in Jewish traditions it means that whoever dies on the Cross is cursed by God, thus the Jews wanted to crucify Jesus) But nay, Allah does let his prophets die in such a manner, especially such a humble and powerful prophet.
supermankhan 1 year ago 7
@supermankhan Because you fail to understand one simple simple concept, and that is God can do WHATEVER HE WANTS TOO. Period. if He wants to die a horrible death on the cross for the sins of mankind (to show how much He loves us) ???? He CAN. If he wants to raise for the grave to show how awesome He is??!! HE CAN. If He wants to show how awesome he is throughout eternity because what He did for us???!! HE CAN!!! PERIOD.
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide But doesn't mean he has to do that to show us how awesome god is.
It's just stupid to think that god would manifest himself as Jesus or as some other Christians believe make a son just to show how kind he is? Than I'm sorry to say that Christians are very weak of faith because they need god to be in human form to believe in his love. JESUS WAS A MORTAL AND WILL COME BACK TO TASTE DEATH. AND THE LORD IS EVER LASTING ETERNAL.
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan God can do what He wants to do; just because you don't understand why He would, doesn't mean its not true. I can think of one reason why He Would want too....because thru-out eternity, He will get the glory for doing such a great act of love and mercy.
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide No that is not true. His mercy was when he sent his Prophets and Messenger to communities to make people believe in MONOTHEISM. That the LORD is one with out partners or sons and daughters. He shows his mercy when the vegetation sprout from the ground and the rain shower us as the clouds move throughout the man made borders. He does not have to show us act of love at one specific time in history to mankind. That is completely wrong to believe he needs glory from us.
supermankhan 1 year ago
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you degrade God to a created thing ... its a big blashpemy!
FakeMuslimExposer123 1 year ago
@FakeMuslimExposer123 Jesus was not created, He is eternal. Read John 1 about it.
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide Yes God can do whatever he wants, except things that makes him less than God. Think about it.
firdhaus 1 year ago
@rightlydivide Astagfirullah!! ur saying God died? pls brother open ur heart.
megawadz79 1 year ago
@rightlydivide BUT you forget one important thing. God must give the human a way to find the real religion. And you can do it by logic. It´s not enough to say he can. We all know that he can do evrything but if it´s unlogical why should someone follow it? Why do we have a mind? So many christians say you can not prove it that´s faith, you have to belive. but that says the Hindu also. That´s not working!!!!!!
82Sayko 1 year ago
@82Sayko I am not every Christian. I would say, that I can prove that Christianity and the Bible IS the only true faith with a mountain of evidence.
rightlydivide 1 year ago
@rightlydivide Why should you be able to proof it. until now nobody could proof it. It would interest me where you wanna find this mountains of proof. The most open minded people know, that there are tons of constradicTions in the Bible. Beginnig with that, that Jesus never claimed to be God but he often said that he serves God. You and evrybody know, that in the year 325 Konstantin decided to make Jesus God.
82Sayko 1 year ago
@supermankhan I think it's so amazing the God chose to enter into human life personally and then give Himself so that we now can come to Him with our repentance and receive grace! Jesus totally died a cursed, criminals death on a tree (the tradition you are referring to) so that whoever should believe in Him should not die but have eternal life.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal God did not chose to enter human life physically. God chose His Prophets and Messengers and His Angels to deliver his books and messages to humanity. God would not let Jesus (or himself) DIE A CURSED DEATH. Every creation of God has to die first. God is merciful and compassionate and does not need his Messengers or Prophets (or in Christianity case God himself) does not need to die on humanities behalf to show how loving he is. He created all that is in Heaven and Earth with love
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan I'm sorry that you deny God's truth and love because you refuse to believe in Christ when He said "I AM". Your rejection of Christ as God is your rejection of Allah. When Thomas doubted Jesus' resurrection and demanded to see him and touch his nailed hands and pierced side; Jesus appeared to the disciples and said to Thomas John 20:27 "Then he said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out you hand and put it into my side. STOP DOUBTING and BELIEVE.'"
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal No I will not take into account the authorship of Johns book cause most likely words have been taken out and added. Misinterpreted and penetrated with forgery. Why do you go back and forth to God and Christ? Why would Christ be addressing himself when he would cry out to God? And yes Allah is the right way to call upon the Lord. I BELIEVE in the ONENESS OF ALLAH; HIS ANGELS, HIS BOOKS, HIS MESSENGERS & PROPHETS, HIS GRACE AND OUR PRE-DESTINED FATE AND THE JUDGMENT DAY.
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan Most likely? Do you have any proof to back up your assertion or are you just going by what someone else told you? If you believe in the Qur'an that says to "Ask the People of the Book" then you should realize that the same Gospel of John we have today is almost an exact copy of the Gospel of John that we had before, during, and after the time of Muhammad, we have thousands of manuscripts to prove this. You have to believe that the bible is corrupt or your whole faith is a lie.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal Look up CODEX SINATICUS. Its the OLDEST Bible found and yet most of the text in it is not the same today in modern Bibles. You are just putting your opinion out there. Please do some research and show me where it says that the Gospel of John is 100% the same Gospel of John in history. You are correct about having thousands of manuscripts but with different translations. All of them are different from one another. You hardly would know if you're reading the right bible. GoResearch!
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan wow. I'm impressed a Muslim actually said something with some truth to it. But, although you are true about one thing the rest is mostly false. Its true that Sinaiticus is our oldest COMPLETE bible and that there are some textual difference, some extra books, and the books are in a different order than are today. What you fail to mention is that we have EARLIER manuscripts (you know what a manuscript is right?) of every book in the New Testament.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal You should be impressed because a Muslim said something with some truth to it? You are a very bias and judgmental person aren't you... The Codex, which was originally around 1,400 pages long, is now a collection of 800 pages and fragments. If you want to call it COMPLETE, than SURE. But all other MANUSCRIPTS that have been found are as early as 4th CENTURY. A few hundred years after Jesus (pbuh). So stop playing games and telling me to go do research on your religion. You NEED to.
supermankhan 1 year ago
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@supermankhan Actually, once again you are incorrect with your dates. The "Magdalene" Manuscript of Matt. 26 is dated within the time of Jesus, the "John Rhyland" Manuscript of John is dated as early as 90 AD, the "Bodmer Papyrus II" of John is also dated as early as 90 AD, the "Chester Beatty Papyri" of the entire New Testament is only about maybe 150 years from the time of the events. None of these are fourth Century, and there are many more like these within 200 years of the time of Jesus.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@supermankhan 2.Its unfortunate that Muslims have to lie and secondly they use the toughest standards on the Bible but the loosest standards on the Qur'an, give me ONE manuscript WITHIN 200 years of the time of Muhammad. Even give me one Manuscript of the whole Qur'an within 750 years! I gave you a whole New Testament within 200yrs of Jesus, surely you have something similar for the Qur'an!
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal This oldest copy of the Qur'an is attributed to the third caliph Uthman. In 651, 19 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Uthman commissioned a committee to produce a standard copy of the text of Quran. Five of these original Qur'ans were sent to the major Muslim cities of the era, with Uthman keeping one for his own use in Medina. It is sometimes called Othmanic codex, Othmanic recension, Samarkand codex, Samarkand manuscript or Tashkent Qur'an.
STOP BEING BIAS NOW
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan Two ancient partial copies of Koran that are in existence are the Samarkand MSS is in Tashkent and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul What many Muslim's do not know is that because these two manuscripts were written in a script style called Kufic practicing Muslim scholars generally date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal What missionary site are you getting that from? That has been used on anti-Islamic sites for very long and can debunked as well. The Earliest Dated Kufic Inscription From Qā‘ al-Mu‘tadil, Near Al-Hijr (Saudi Arabia), 24 AH. This inscription, it appears, is destined to be the most famous of all the Arabic inscriptions as the UNESCO has added it to the Memory of the World Register of Documentary Collections. So please stop trying to look into PAULINE CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY WEBSITES.
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan 2.Had these two manuscripts been compiled any earlier they would have been written in either the Ma'il or Mashq script style.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal And you're heart is already closed. And not willing to know the truth of monotheism. You will always keep arguing with weak claims and believe in a Christianity that was different from the early Christians. Cause James (Jesus brother) was against Paul's Christianity and thus he was stoned to death. And now you modern Christians not only follow Pauline Christianity but also do it with a blind eye!
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan Ok. Prove your statement that James DIDN'T believe that Jesus was God. Give me one historian who agrees with that statement.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@supermankhan Even just give me one manuscript of the gospel during the time of James that says that Jesus is not God. You blindly believe every false word from Muhammad and deny the truth of Jesus Christ. There is Only, One True God, and His name is NOT Allah.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal reread Matthew's gospel and, lo, in it Jesus never claims to be divine, only the Son of Man or Son of God (like David). The majority of Church Fathers agree that the Ebionites rejected many of the central Christian views of Jesus such as his pre-existence, divinity, virgin birth, atoning death, and physical resurrection. Ebionites regarded James the Just as their leader, after Jesus' death and they opposed Paul. NO WHERE IN JAMES DOES IT SAY ONCE THAT JESUS IS GOD HIMSELF!
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan What year does the Ebionite literature come from? Do some research my friend.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal Answer the question, did Jesus call himself God or say I am the Lord or speak of himself being divine?
He addressed himself as a Prophet.
supermankhan 1 year ago
@godswordsheal James also wrote, “You believe that God is one you do well.” (James 2:19 NRSV) For even Jesus spoke Aramaic and called upon God by saying ALLAH! Get that straight. You are brainwashed by the Pauline Church. Even Peter never believe Jesus was God! You're a sad person trying to run away from the truth. Only if you were eager to look for it
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. -QUR'AN
supermankhan 1 year ago
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@supermankhan You are brilliant my friend....Read JAMES 1:1!!!! "James, a servant of God and of the !!!LORD!!! Jesus Christ." You fail, TRY AGAIN!
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@supermankhan READ James 2:1 My brothers, as believers in our glorious !!!LORD!!! Jesus Christ..." You fail even MORE. TRY AGAIN.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal Do NOT CAPITALIZE Lord. Cause in the Bible there's a difference between Lord and LORD. The Lord being just a master while the capitalize LORD being the FATHER, GOD. Eve you must know that. So obviously you don't know what you're talking about and just trying to convince yourself that your Pauline Christianity can make sense. Give me a VERSE FROM THE BIBLE WHERE JESUS SAYS I AM GOD OR I AM THE LORD OR I AM DIVINE! If you are truthful you can try. But you'll lie to yourself and me.
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan Incorrect. "In regard to the divine name YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragrammaton, the translators adopted the device used in most English versions of rendering that name as "Lord" in capital letter to distinguish if from Adonai, another Hebrew word rendered "Lord," for which small letter are used." This is from the Preface to my NIV.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal Matthew 7:21-24 "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan Matt. 8:6 "Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering." 7Jesus said to him, "I will go and heal him"
If Jesus was a Muslim would He allow ANYONE to call him "Lord"=Adonai? NO, He would have rebuked Him and said "There is ONLY ONE LORD!" But He didn't say that because Jesus is God.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal John 5:30 I can do nothing on my own authority.
Nope he NEVER said JESUS IS GOD. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone." Luke 18:19.
Jesus is separating himself from being God. Why is it hard for you to understand? God tells people many times that he is a Prophet and that he was sent to the lost house of Israel only by God!
Muslim literally means "one who submits (to God)" Just like the Prophet Jesus! And every other Prophet and Messenger
supermankhan 1 year ago
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@supermankhan You said Matthew so why are you now in Luke and John?...You are so inconsistent.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one"
Luke 18:28-30 "Peter said to him, "We have left all we had to follow you!" "I tell you the truth," Jesus said to them, "no one who has left home or wife of brothers...will fail to recieve many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life." Tell me, for whom did Peter say they left everything and what did Jesus PROMISE them for following him?
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal No Christian can answer with a verse from the Bible where Jesus accepts being GOD OR SAYS I AM GOD OR I AM THE LORD OR I AM DIVINE! No where can that be found.
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan Matt. 8:29 "What do you want with us , Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Demons called Him the Son of God.
Matt. 12:8...Please tell me who is the Lord of the Sabbath?
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal In post-Biblical Judaism, the title was often applied to righteous men: Sirach 4:10 and Wisdom of Solomon 2:17-18 use the term to refer to just men, and Book of Jubilees 1:24-25 has God declaring all righteous men to be his sons. Philo too wrote that good people are sons of God, and various rabbis in the Talmud declare that when Israelites are good, they are sons of God.
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan WOW! Are you in the Book of Jubilees! Your argument is sad if you have to go to the Book of Jubilees and the "Wisdom of Solomon" Tell me when those heretical books were written. You are the one who said Jesus isn't called the Son of God in Matthew and I was proving you wrong.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal JESUS IS A PROPHET! ENOUGH SAID WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS. STOP LYING.
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan Read Matt. 22:43-45 Where David calls Jesus his Lord and Jesus agrees with him.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@supermankhan 2."Adonai is the verbal parallel to Yahweh and Jehovah. Adonai is plural; the singular is adon. In reference to God the plural Adonai is used. When the singular adon is used, it usually refers to a human lord." This is an explanation of the uses of Adonai in the bible.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@supermankhan Give me one Ayah from the Qur'an where Muhammad says that he is the last prophet from Allah or I didn't have sex with a nine year old or God doesn't hate me! If you are truthful you can try but you'll lie to yourself and me. Hopefully if you are intelligent you can see how stupid your question is.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal There you go again I figured you couldn't answer me. You just became hostile and ignorant like how your Pauline Christianity teaches you. You are more lost then a sheep. First answer the questions to yourself and me.
So give me a VERSE FROM THE BIBLE WHERE JESUS SAYS I AM GOD OR I AM THE LORD OR I AM DIVINE!
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan Jesus didn't have to say that to say that to say that He is God. Only in your Muslim mind that has been corrupted by Muhammad's false teachings, does your argument seem truthful. He did not say I am God...But if He has to say those exact words for you to believe Him then equally the fact that He never says "I am not God" should just confuse you. Unless you can give me a verse where He says that then we have to figure another way to tell if He claimed to be God or not, dontcha think
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@supermankhan Stop running behind your false prophet! Really THINK about what Jesus said and did in the bible. If He is just a prophet why did He say "I and the Father are one", and don't just deny it, really think about it. I don't care about your silly excuses because Muhammad told you so. Why did the writer of the Qur'an not know what Christians believe about the Trinity. He said that Jesus never said worship Him and his mother..no christian has ever believed that mary was part of the trinity
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal he also said I and the people are one just like I and the father are one. You read specific stuff from your own bible as well. You're trying to force yourself to make Jesus into God. Even Jesus will tell you that he does not know you.
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan 2.Why did the Jews want to kill Him whenever He said things like "My Father is working to this very day and I, too, am working" ? If He was not saying that He is God then why doesn't He correct them. Since He doesn't either He IS claiming to be God OR He is a terrible, horrible Muslim!!! I'd like to hear you say "I and God are one" at your mosque and see how you are treated...
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal The Bible Admits Jews Killed Prophet Zechariah/Zakariah [Matthew 23: 34-36] You don't know your own Bible.
NO ONE IS LIKE GOD. GOD IS ONE ALONE NONE LIKE UNTO HIM.
Thanks :) Wise up now.
supermankhan 1 year ago
@supermankhan What are you blabbering about? Again I challenge you, go into a mosque and say "I and God are one!" Then tell me how it goes...Until then you are not a real Muslim and you hate God.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@godswordsheal That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. Why on earth would I say I and God are one when I been telling you no one is like unto God. Even Moses wanted to see God and couldn't handle it.
You are just a brainwashed child. You believe in idols and polytheism. You do not follow monotheism.
supermankhan 1 year ago
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@supermankhan HA! So you admit that you CAN'T SAY THAT, unless you were God. Jesus said it. So either Jesus was a BLASPHEMER or MUHAMMAD was FALSE! Thank God that the truth has come out!
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@supermankhan 2.Sinaiticus is only the earliest complete bible we have found, it is NOT the earliest attestation to its text. It is awesome that anyone on earth with a computer can actually look online at the actual Codex Sinaiticus for themselves in the direct greek or through a few other languages. Yes do go and research.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
@supermankhan “O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers..."
supermankhan 1 year ago
in my country a Muslims apostate will be forced to attend re-training camp..LOL
utubeixin 1 year ago
we turksish muslims tell expres our gratituth by saying allah razi olsun may allah be your help esselamualaeykum and hello to the critians
erhan2brother 1 year ago
dave hunt is big liar
shengstyle 1 year ago
thats because talking to a muslim is like talking to a wall
MrKeserwan 1 year ago