Here's One 4 You Atheist. Explain How The Scriptures Written By Men Several Hundred Or Thousand Years Apart,How Can It Be In Perfect Harmony From The Begging To End.God sais He Will Deal With Mans Sin Problem Genesis 3:15 Then In The Law Of Moses Had Many Prophesies Of Jesus In Detail, All Coming True In The Old Testament Books Of Mathew-John B4 The Cross.The Prophesies Alone Blow Your Stupid Atheistic Non Sense To Bits, Of Coarse You Will Have A Lame Reply About This I Am Sure.
@Love6653 Harmony from start to finish in the Bible? Clearly you have not read the book. It is littered with contradictions. In Matthew 1:16, Joseph's father is reportedly Jacob. In Luke 3:23, Joseph's father is Heli. In John 10:30, Jesus claims that he and his father are one. In John 14:28, Jesus claims that his father is "greater than I." In Genesis 1:25 - 1:26, God created beasts first and then created man. In Genesis, 2:18 - 2:19, he created man first then beasts.
Only In Your Atheistic Mind.Genesis 2:18-19 Does Not Say Man Was Created First Silly. It Sais God Made All From The Dust Of The Ground Read On Verse 21-23 There Is Gods Helper For Man.Luke 3:23 Remember The Passage Reads Joseph Was Supposedly Jesus Father, But Was Not, And Joseph Was Married To Mary And This Passage Could Be Talking About Eli Being Her Dad, And Josephs Step Dad. You Have Nothing Here Dude.Grasping For Straws, Typical Atheistic Move.
Actually your scripture is not in harmony with itself at all. Jesus prophecied that all the stars would fall from heaven within 25 years of his death. It never happened because it is physically impossible, so Jesus is a false prophet. As Matthew & Luke both provided false and conflicting genalogies for Jesus, and he failed in the 4 tasks of the messiah, clearly Jesus is a false prophet and a false messiah. Also revelations 22:16 reveals that Jesus is in fact Lucifer.
Typical Atheist Knows Nothing About Scripture. The Stars Were Not Going To Literally Fall Silly.Just Like Acts 2:19-20 Is Not Literal Silly.I Have News 4Yu Dude Jesus Created The Stars, And Us.Revelation 22:16 Is BRIGHT And Morning Star. Lucifer is a FALLEN Star. Get Your Facts Straight.
Typical Atheist. You Believe In Nothing, Because You Came From Nothing. What A Joke. Sure The Sun Just Popped Out Of No Where, Just Like The Earth Popped Out Of No Where,And Just Happens To Be Just The Right Distance From The Sun To Sustain Life.We Came Up From Pond Scum, Or Apes Depending On The Foolish Non Sense These Silly People try To Conn You With.Do You Exist Atheist? Prove You Exist? How Can We Know? Tell Us Atheist Do You Exist? Prove It. What Evidence Do You Have, Please Show us.
Hey Dude I Have An Education. I Know There Is A God.This Atheistic Baloney is satanic To The Core. These Silly Non Believers Need An Education in Strong Deception. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. Looks Like God Is Spot On Here.Strong Delusion On All Who Love Sin.satan Is Your Enemy Atheist, And Believe Me He Is Using You For His Purpose. I Truly Feel Sorry For You Non Believers.Revelation 12:9. You Better Believe There Is A God, And Every Knee Will Bow To Jesus Christ Guaranteed.
@Love6653 Yes, we better love this God who is responsible for creating Satan. He has also allowed Satan to torment humanity despite being omnipotent. And finally, if we do not worship this "loving" God he will send us to suffer for all of eternity. I feel sorry for people like you, who have a perverse understanding of what it means to love and be loved.
Typical Atheist Answer.We Are Lost Because Of Sin Dude. God Cannot Exist With Sin, Thus Jesus Was Gods Answer For Our Problem, And Why He Died On The Cross.It Is Your Frail Humanism That Has No Clue About Gods Love, Only Your Limited Humanistic Version.I Feel Real Sorry For Lost Souls Who Cannot See Clear Evidence Of God Existing Yes Truly Sad Indeed.God Lets All Have Free Will, You Can Follow The Looser satan, Or The Great One Jesus, Still Your Choice.
Do You Scientific Proof God Does Not Exist, Or Just THEORIES. You Know The THEORY of DEVIL-DELUSION.I Want Proof Monkey Man. HA HA.Show Us Our Ape Ancestors. HA HA.Show Us Our Ape Grandmas And Grandaddies. HA HA.Was Your Family Tree Started In A Tree? HA HA.Lets Get Back To Basics With Our So Called Ann-Ses-tors And Live In Trees.Come On Icarus Don't Tricarous HA HA.Did Our Monkey Ann-Ses-Tors Have Intelligent Conversations? Would We Go Ape Over Seeing Them today?
@Love6653 Seach for "Evolution made easy" and "Natural Selection Made Easy" by Potholer54, this should answer all your questions :D If you believe it or not, is your own thing. However, it will allow you to understand the idea a lot more, because when you understand it even a little, it doesn't sound "plumb stupid"
I Don't Need To Look Into Devil-Delusion Because I Know Who Is Behind All Deception In Our World. We Never Came From Ape's.We Were Created Period. End Of Story.
@Love6653 When you refuse to even try to understand the ideas of people you disagree with you just close yourself off. This close-mindedness is what religion thrives on.
Closed Minded. Your One To Talk There Mr. Atheist. You Been Hog feed satanic Lies Probably All Your Life By The Evil One Deluding You Into This Atheistic Baloney. I Have Read The OVERWHELMING PROOF GOD EXIST. I Don't Need The Opinion Of a Brain Washed Atheist To Let Me Know What I Already Know. No Delusion is What satan Thrives On and He Has You Lock Stock, And Gun Barrel.
Well satan Is Laughing At All Of Yu Dudes Deceived, And He Loves It. Hope You Wake Up B4 It Is 2 Late. You Will Bow Your Knee To Jesus Christ Guaranteed.Have A Great Night Dude.
I know God exists because he borrows my socks, my keys, and my biros and I can't always find them when I need them because he works in mysterious ways and at mysterious times. Also, one time I put chocolate cake in the fridge, and half an hour it had vanished without a trace. Clear evidence that God exists, he also eats people, hence all the food metaphors for humanity in the Bible (and the Mass), which is why there are so many missing persons notes on Milk.
@Arcflash67 So where are you from? Did your demographic enslave people because they were evil too? You're an atheist yourself for the discredit of other gods you claim don't exist.
@Arcflash67 That's an interesting concept, considering the bible and the qur'an both present a conflict. Response? Your only defense is what your book tells you. Which is a pretty weak argument considering you all claim to be right. How do you know? Only one of you can be right while at the same time, you all can be wrong.
@Arcflash67 "Autistic children and people in bad situations...." And you have some evidence to back this up right? "You should wait until you are educated...." Says the person who claims children and people in bad situations are in those positions as punishment. What pray tell fly by night institution did you recieve your doctorate from?
It's so funny how the Christian's only defense is "Wait, wait, wait.....can't I talk.....aren't you going to let me talk....we can't argue like this......let me finish than you can talk". Mean while they just keep talking over the hosts like they're not even there. These hosts are soooo patient with these incompetent and ignorant people.....I don't know how these guys put up with these callers.
@dejesusluisx that is an interpretation of scripture. However, if it is the actual reason, then it only serves to make God look more like a monster. Who would want to worship a being that commands you to kill your family members out of obedience even if it wasn't planning on making you go through with it.
lol so if everything that stands in a book is true the world would be kinda fucked up I mean there are some crazy books out there and many of them and somehow they all are true even the ones who go against each other :/
If God is all knowing and all powerful, then why does he have to test people in the first place? Shouldn't an all knowing and all powerful God already know that Abraham is completely faithful? So if the Bible is literally true, then according to Genesis 22, God IS NOT all knowing and all powerful.
@zensychosis The test wasn't for God to know, it was for Abraham to know. The test was for Abraham to realize how strong His own faith was, God already knew it, Abraham didn't.
@zensychosis i had this thought yesterday, if god is truely omnipotent, why does he need people and love? needing love is a human condition, which means god is very very human.
if he was truely omnipotent, he wouldn't care... and a real interpretation of what a god would be like is dr manhattan from the watchmen graphic novels.
@dejesusluisx Dening Christ and for someone who knows nothing about Christ and saying they don't believe the story are not the same thing. If they knew nothing about him before, they surely didn't believe in him either. If this truly isn't a requirement to get into heaven, than god or Christ are pretty useless in the grand scheme of things. It's better that these people never heard of Chrustianity. The indians thought the same. Things got very bad for them when they wouldn't convert.
Christians that say "He didn't sacrifice his son" are automatically morons. There is a one word answer to that bullshit that automatically renders them wrong:
There is no historical fact that Christ ever existed and I am a Christian. I concede there is no proof by way of evidence. The bible was written by a man, supposedly inspired by divine right, translated many times into even more languages. I am a Christian by faith, but my intellect allows me to concede that I do not follow the bible blindly because as they point out, "books say lots of things". I follow what is in my heart. Not what I am told by voice or someones translation of the bible.
@segundooron No offence, but if you accept that dead is the end (i know it suckes) then you don't need religion and you can start living and stop apologizing for beging human.
@segundooron "GOD created the heavens and the earth" means the foundation for all matter, known today as energy. Back then, the concept of energy wasn’t even conceived. "And the earth was without form, and void and darkness lay upon the faces of the deep" Describe how the concept of energy must have been viewed through revelation by the viewer. "and the Spirit of GOD hovered over the waters" energy moves through waves, the only analogy conceivable to describe energy is water
@segundooron "and GOD said “Let there be light,” and there was light": God spoke, speaking produce waves, a movement of energy. The metaphor implies energy waves colliding, that produced a gigantic spark, hence light. This must have been a colossal collision of the energy produced by God and the existing energy waves. Cosmologists are exploring a collision of waves as a theory of how the Big Bang came to be. How could ancient goat herders produce such a profound metaphor?
@segundooron I can go on and on, but I guess you can get the idea the Bible has to be interpreted. Ancient goat herders received an inspiration which, in their ignorance, they described the best way they could. We know better now, we can make sense of that inspiration. God is energy, conscious energy. A spirit is an immaterial conscious being, and only energy is immaterial. Need more proof? God is continuously described as the light, and what is light? energy of course...
@dejesusluisx So if I were one of these people that never heard of Jesus and then one day you told me about him and I said I didn't believe you, can I still go to heaven?
@jdale1 In reality, it will never be that clear cut. Going to heaven is a matter of being in tune or in the same wavelength of the Father. I say it depends more on how spiritual you are instead of what you believe. It is as difficult to enter heaven for a person that denies Jesus as for a rich person which is only preoccupied with materialism. That's why Jesus used the parable of the camel and the needle eye. There are things that usually don't mix, I hope you get it...
@cassindia1987 I have graduated from Hogwarts and moved to Middle Earth. It's sooooo nice here!!! The mail man is a wizard! Every day I run outside and yell YOU'RE A WIZARD HARRY! (just so happens his name happens to be Harry=double win) I bet he really hates me.
Ok. I hold largely existential, atheistic views. But dammit guys. You need to let the man speak. If your goal is to help christians to see your point of view and more importantly seriously investigate. Then you can't cut the guy off at every turn with aggressive and dismissive tones. You've got to get to the root of what gives someone faith in God at all. Usually a subjective extreme experience or experiences that are suggested to be and interpreted as the experience of God.
@Lordgaraj So sad eh. If these two guys aren't smart enough to understand the bible then the caller doesn't have a preyer, lol. I would bet that the two guys on the show have an I.Q. three times higher then the callers.
Oook....Everyone listen up. If there really was a time where an entire town who got ressurected and went traipsing around town....we would have heard more about it from way more people. It wouldn't be in just one book.
@dangraphic presented by the church. Gee, I wonder why? And many times when nonbiased 3rd parties offer or want to examine some of these documents or artifacts to authenticate the claims surrounding them, the church either denies the request or procrastinates in accepting the offer. Gee, I wonder why. Are they hiding something. If these things are authentic, you would think they would want to share them with the world to put the doubt to rest.
@dangraphic That's because there are no contemporary sources outside of the bible or the qur'an. There are tons of contemporary sources for the historical figures you listed. There are first hand accounts, all with original documentation that can be verified with other sources not just from publications but with people who have actual names, dates, tangible evidence and artifacts. Where have all the religious documents been kept? In a library, peoples homes? No they have all been collected and
What EVIDENCE do we have that ANYONE mentioned in any account actually existed?
Why do you discredit the bible as a historical record, yet you would accept other historical records based on testimonial eye witness account that Nero, Napoleon or Jefferson existed. There is no EVIDENCE that these people existed, other than testimonial records. So if we accept that others existed based on eye witness accounts, we can't discount the records in the bible.
@dangraphic The more independent sources that can confirm an event the better a picture we can paint to what actually happened. If there was only one book in history that described Napoleon there would be debate over his existence also. Add on supernatural claims about him and its credibility would diminish.
@dangraphic "There is no EVIDENCE that these people existed, other than testimonial records. So if we accept that others existed based on eye witness accounts" There are TONS of evidence that these people existed. If there was only one book about Thomas Jefferson and no other contemporary sources that could verify the content of the book, I would seriously doubt Jefferson's existence as well. Eyewitness accounts are unreliable. Take for instance the 500 people who witnessed the crucifixion.
@dangraphic Who are these people? What are their names? What did they see, who did they talk too, did they write down their experiences, can anyone else verify that they were there and can they collaborate their stories? We can do all of this with and more with historical figures. Most if not all sources were recorded in real time, several are the same accounts told by many people who can be verified, and other accounts along with tangible evidence can used to authentic the accounts.
@dangraphic Most if not all of which Jesus said or did was at the time orally communicated. The world didn't learn anything of what Jesus reportedly said or did until years even centuries after his "death". Which really none of the original documents exist to this day, copies of copies with contradictions and inconsistencies of accounts from either unknown authors or accounts from 2 or 3 people or 500 with no names. It's pretty arrogant on your part to say we should doubt the existence of
@dangraphic like Jefferson and Napoleon that have overwhelming evidence for their existence and to trust in one source that has very little or none at all to authentic it's contents. Hear say accounts are not accepted in a court of law and rarely in historical accounts, why should an exception be made for anything else?
well i look at death as a combination of evoulotion and reincarnation where as soon as u die u can be reborn because every second 3 people die 5 are born which leaves two empty vessels which either generate two new people or we all started out as single celled organisms and had to work are way up the latter untill we became monkeys after you die from your monkey form then u get to the final stage which is human and once again once ur human you always remain human bill hicks has been reborn
@chariotdrvr14 But it just goes to show that in the case with these callers, they are just not prepared to answer questions posed from atheists. It's the mentality that some people consider atheists ignorant (some are) but when faced with one that is educated and knows the bible, the reaction is to get angry when they cannot answer the question and vice versa.
Not exactly rooting for the christian caller here, but the atheist panel doesn't exactly impress either. Nothing they said to refute the caller showed much scholastic forethought. But the superimposed comments were funny.
@dejesusluisx So the all loving god made all creatures but only the conscious ones go to heaven? What about a autistic persoon who has no clue about his/her environment.
elephant, dog, dolphine etc goes to heaven,but a mosquitoes and cockroaches dont,Dino's do they have a conscious? And people the worst of all creatures can go to heaven? We have a conscious and we kill everything in our path and then go to church ask for forgivingness and than go to heaven? Is this the best god can think of?
@raduen2 Only humans show a level of consciousness that can align them with God's consciousness, the only requirement to be with Him. Now once you are in God's consciousness, you reject all selfish acts, which is what we call evil. If you don't, you aren't ready to be with Him.
@dejesusluisx So then i don't want to go to heaven because there wil be no animals in heaven only selfish people,And why did he create the animals in the first place? Just for fun?,he made lions so they can hunt the gazelle so he can watch de carnage?Why did he make the insects?I thought he was the all loving?Don't you think the word conscious help religious people to foul them self why animal don't go to heaven? An elephant knows what dead is,my dog loves me but god don't love him?.get real
@raduen2 You got it wrong. The only people that get to go to heaven are unselfish people, selfish people can't get it. What does being all loving have to do with the existence of a particular species of animal?. God is a law giver, He created the laws that allow animals to reproduce, produce variation and new species. Species are the product of variation, not magic. Dogs don't love you, they just lick the hands that feeds them, is instinct. Love is a conscious act, animals don't love.
@dejesusluisx;Are kidding me?Do you really believe what you write?About all loving and animals:If he is all loving then he will let animals go to heaven to,but then the hole concept about the bible does not apply,so religious people have to come up with conscious,what you are trying to avoid is the word evolution,but religious people don't believe in evolution. what's the purpose of animals? god likes to watch the hunt ,carnage and killings? Yet another erogant human thinking:Animals don't love!
@raduen2 You have no idea what heaven is and why is absurd for animals to go there, anf it has nothing to do about love. ""religious people don't believe in evolution"" this just show your ignorance about the subject. Only religious fundamentalists don't accept evolution. Catholics, as well as many other denominations see evolution as the right hand of God. Evolution is real, and so is God.
@dejesusluisxDo you have an idea what heaven is?Why is it absurd for animals to go there? forget conscious i don't buy that. they are god's creation to.And again "Only religious fundamentalists don't accept evolution Catholics, as well as many other denominations" How many are there? you all can even agry on evolution. And i find it absurd that animals to go to heaven. What about you freewill are you allow to keep it in heaven?I hope not because then you wil sin again.With you i mean men ok?
@raduen2 The only gift we can give God in return for the life He has given us is our free will. For animals to go to heaven is absurd because heaven is the union of all consciousness, since animals aren't conscious, there's no possible union. Animals are only body, we are body and spirit, so when animals die, there is no spirit to go anywhere, that's why is absurd, material bodies don't go to heaven, neither animals' nor ours.
@dejesusluisx So basically in heaven people or conscious you will be wondering arround without freewill just like controle robots forever,because religious people say thats why we have freewill in the first place,not to be robots.About animals and people did you know that we are mamals just like rat's and pig's,plain simple mamals?if a rat is just simple a body than we are just simple a body period.Read some biology books. And please stop thinking that we are better than animals we are the same.
@dejesusluisx One more think i forget and you did not answer. autistic persoon where do a autistic persoon goes? Some of them don't have a conscious and yes they don't know what of who jezus is.
@raduen2 An autistic person is like any other person, is a conscious human being. The fact their brain function differently doesn't change that reality. Where did you get the wrong idea that they don't have consciousness? The fact many humans haven't heard about Jesus doesn't exclude them from heaven. Jesus is a message, a way to live, the logos or incarnated verb, and if people live according to the message, even if they didn't know the message existed, they will be one with the Father
@dejesusluisx LOL, I don't know what bible you read thats an other proof that it's just a book, there are so many versions of it that even the religious people lost count, according to the bible the only way to get into heaven is thrue jezus,At least 9 out of 10 religious people say's so. I think you don't know any real autistic person believe me,you don't,I have one in my family,She even don't know what's up or down.
@raduen2 ""I think you don't know any real autistic person believe me,you don't,I have one in my family,She even don't know what's up or down"" From what you have posted, I can confidently say you don't either...
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@tigersforchrist How are they gonna be afraid of your threats and your scriptures... they don't beilieve it.... We cannot say there's for sure there's not a god and you can say there for sure there is.
@tigersforchrist How many times must I tell you? Islam is the only way one can get close to god. If you disagree, Hinduism is the best way to commit oneself for purity to Sheba. No, wait may be it's Buddhism or wicken.
Must accept that not everyone agrees with your beliefs. Sorry you don't accept that
@devante11 "things must be observed in order to be factual" "science never claims anything it can't show evidence for" Unobserved evidence was my example. We didn't have to observe it in order for it to be factual. The evidence was based on mathematics and estimate models. The evidence is not empirical. So you can try and use the same for anything metaphysical. Good luck with that.
what claim did I make? My original post was related to the video. When I was stating unobserved ...I was referring to a uncaused cause.....you clearly misread me from the start
@dejesusluisx "At least we can say we believe it by faith" And that's where you must draw the line. So admitting that you have faith your beliefs are true, you also have to admit you may be wrong. We admit we may be wrong and have no problem with it. If your going to rely on faith and faith alone, leave it at that. Shifting the burden of proof doesn't help you, you're the one still making the claim.
@paw965 Although I agree with you about historicity Jesus, Tacitus is a weak story. The serious side is that the story is most likely hear say. Tacitus heard about Jesus through Christians and never actually met him to face. Secondly. Tacitus would have had access to Roman records. No contemporary records exit of the crucifixion, but Tacitus refers to Jesus as "Christo", records would not have given him a christian name. But unlike Josephus's tampering detected.
Writing in AD115, Tacitus describes how Nero blamed the fire of Rome on Christians in AD65 and goes into detail about Christ, namely his death under Pilate and the stories of his resurrection. Tacitus was no friend of Christians and would have had a perfect opportunity to describe Jesus as a myth if that were so. The Jesus-as-myth position is ignorant. Christian or not, no credible historians deny the historicity of Jesus.
@devante11 We have never observed the earth or Pluto's orbit, but based on the math, research and if both planets continue to follow the laws of gravity, our conclusion that they will complete their orbits in the calculated time, our conclusion is a scientifically sound conclusion.
"We have never observed the earth or Pluto's orbit,our conclusion is a scientifically sound conclusion."
Correct, hence 365 days for the earth to go round the sun once. And it takes 1 day/24 hours to complete one rotation about its axis. We know their is night and day, as we observe this. So the logical conclusion is sound as this is repeated ...and we can measure it
@devante11 Then you should go back and correct your statement because there was nothing physically "observed" to come to that conclusion. We didn't see it, yet it's a logical conclusion based on evidence. We've never "observed" atoms but it's a factual conclusion that they exist. So, you don't have to physically see something in order to make a logical conclusion as long as there is tangible demonstrable evidence to support a logical conclusion.
"So, you don't have to physically see something in order to make a logical conclusion as long as there is tangible demonstrable evidence to support a logical conclusion"
If you are trying to relate something that because we havent observed it ...you cant say it doesnt exist...e.g. a god/s.....Im not interested. There is no evidence for a uncaused cause/observed...nor any evidence for a outside of existence itself
@WombatGully3000 "The old testament was written between 1400 B.C. to 400 B.C the Quran written about 660AD." Relevant because....?? Do you know what the Quran claims to be?
I'm no Biologist, But let's asume the ark story is true, so eight people (noah's family) survived, so we all came out of 8 people, how do you explaine white, black, yellow en red people? Did they just born an other color of did they evolved?
If something must come from something, then god must have came from something ?but does not seems to apply to god?strange!. But i don't see no Dog or Horse running arround with no bible or praying and if you are a biologist you know that we are mammals.
You people are hilarious. No one here knows where matter or energy came from? Without that...no one can refute the creation story. I have an easier time believing "In the beginning...God, than believing "In the beginning...something came from nothing, all the matter in the universe (everything u see and cannot see) swirled within a dot no bigger than a period on this page, exploded; and a single cell organism somehow turned into us.
"In the beginning...God, than believing "In the beginning...something came from nothing, all the matter in the universe......"
But it wouldnt be created .....because matter would already exist to come from it. Thus to be created ...it would be void and from that void ..comes somethingness..from a void, you get a void
We know matter only exists in the material world. Thus is bound by time and space
@christopherduke "Without that...no one can refute the creation story." I don't need to refute the creation story. The person claiming the creation story is the one that must present the evidence that it can't be refuted. It's based in supernatural occurrences, so it's the perfect cop out to say that it can't be refuted because the supernatural has not only never been proven to exist, you can't even test it. "I have an easier time believing "In the beginning.."
@christopherduke Why do you find it easier? What is the explanation that makes you believe it? "than believing "In the beginning...something came from nothing" The only people proclaiming this are the believers and creationists injecting that's what we believe happened and that's what science is claiming. "Something came from nothing" is a nonsensical statement. The big bang was not an explosion, it wasn't the creation of the universe nor does the theory claim it is. BBT is just
@christopherduke an expansion event. The universe expanded from it's previous form and a cause and effect occurred (we don't know what that is) the sun and the planets formed. We have a pretty good idea of how the planets and stars formed. The earth was created and then a "form of life concept" happened. If you want to believe that god was the "form of life concept" that's fine, just don't use "for lack of or I can't think of something better" therefore god and claim it's true.
No one here knows where matter or energy came from?"Without that...no one can refute the creation story."
Who says matter came from anywhere, who observed matter coming from anywhere ...noone......Who saw the first creation take place ....noone
Any creation story can be refuted. As anyone writing about it is "already existing" thus what they are writing is not a "factual observed event". But one of fiction/fantasy and assumptions, baseless of any facts
Continued from above ... Too many holes in the Big Bang Theory an evolution to be credible. It's really pathetic scientists "believe" this theory. No other theory with this much lack of evidence has ever been supported in the scientific community. I should know...I am a Biologist. It's really sad.
@christopherduke "Too many holes in the Big Bang Theory an evolution to be credible" How so? How does creation explain life's diversity? How does creation explain the creation of the universe? "It's really pathetic scientists "believe" this theory." They don't believe, no one should believe in evolution. Evolution is either right or it's wrong, there's no gray area. If it's wrong, that's just it, it's wrong. It doesn't give the green light to anything else.
@christopherduke "No other theory with this much lack of evidence has ever been supported in the scientific community. " Really? Please demonstrate the lack of evidence and provide a better explanation along with evidence to support an alternative. What kind of a biologist are you? I would figure as a biologist, you would have already presented evidence against evolution and the big bang. Why does the the majority of your scientific community disagree with you?
Evolution is not science it is a stupid illogical flawed theory with too many holes, lies and hoaxes that needs more faith then any religion on earth. Peace and god bless you all
@WombatGully3000 "Evolution is not science it is a stupid illogical flawed theory with too many holes, lies and hoaxes" Explain. "that needs more faith then any religion on earth" Would you say that it takes more faith to disbelieve the claims that big foot does not exit than it does to believe the claims that big foot does exist?
@devante11 Than you shouldnt read books at all, cus its putting some dumb ideas and unobserved theorys in your head, that you have not even seen. hmmm lol
@devante11 Than you shouldnt read books at all, cus its putting some dumb ideas and unobserved theorys in your head, that you have not even seen. hmmm lol
@devante11 Than you shouldnt read books at all, cus its putting some dumb ideas and unobserved theorys in your head, that you have not even seen. hmmm lol
@devante11 "Dont read man made books telling you of things unobserved" So things must be observed in order to conclude they are true? Is the bible not a man made book? Gotcha thanks for the tip. How many things in science that have been unobserved that are now the best conclusion or best possible answer? How many can you name?
"So things must be observed in order to conclude they are true? . How many things in science that have been unobserved that are now the best conclusion or best possible answer? How many can you name?"
Yes things must be observed to be factual. That has we know things exists...observed, tested, verified, demonstrated and shown to be accurate and correct with evidence
We as humans speak for him, we are not animals. Your family is not a bunch of animals, they are human being with a purpose. The creator loves us all, but he hates the sin. I don't believe your existence is meaningless and useless like you do. I believe your existence has great meaning. I believe god wants you to know him, this is why he made science for us. So we can find him through his creation. Not some adult fairytale that says anything can turn into anything given enough time and conditions
You people choose to be ignorant and stupid. 100 questions are thrown towards you and your response is, your using a straw man argument yet you can't answer the questions? Then when you ask a question that cannot be answered you claim the theory is wrong. Every time a question is asked you respond with, its a proven fact! Idiotic! If there was any facts in your idiotic theory you would show them. Creation holds it's own. The creator holds his own. His creation speaks for him.
@WombatGully3000 "Every time a question is asked you respond with, its a proven fact! Idiotic! If there was any facts in your idiotic theory you would show them. Creation holds it's own. The creator holds his own. His creation speaks for him.' For someone not presenting the facts of creation that make it true other than "Creation holds it's own" you're pretty demanding of others to present facts.
Yes science says this is the best possible answer we have based on evidence at this point in time. But never states this is the final answer. Science goes where the evidence leads. It never claims anything it cant show evidence for
How stupid, ignorant, illogical and hypocritical can the evolutionist be. It amazes me. Willingly blind, deaf and ignorant. They profess to be wise, but become fools. The truth doesn't change, this is why our theory of creation hasn't changed. The truth can handle all sorts of criticism and investigations. This is why creation has held its own. It doesn't need defense. Evolution is full of lies and hoaxes. Question it you will get ridiculed and abused. The truth doesn't do this.
@devante11 Anything with a beginning has a cause, anything with a beginning has a creation. In the 1800s this wasn't a problem for the atheist because we thought the universe was eternal. This is something every atheist still ignores until today. Unless something was eternal your theory is shot down. Nothing is eternal only the lord our creator. This is why he is outside his creation, because he is internal without a beginning. The bible told us this thousands of years ago.
"Anything with a beginning has a cause, anything with a beginning has a creation"
So who created your god? or are you stating things come from nothing?
"outside his creation"
The definition of existence is everything WITHIN the universe and bound by space and time. You have just claimed a OUTSIDE of existence and a uncaused cause....care to prove them?
@Love6653 If Satan punishes bad people, does that make him good?
jdale1 24 minutes ago
funny... whether or not they've read the bible, the caller guy obviously has trouble hearing..
HomoCognitus 2 hours ago
Here's One 4 You Atheist. Explain How The Scriptures Written By Men Several Hundred Or Thousand Years Apart,How Can It Be In Perfect Harmony From The Begging To End.God sais He Will Deal With Mans Sin Problem Genesis 3:15 Then In The Law Of Moses Had Many Prophesies Of Jesus In Detail, All Coming True In The Old Testament Books Of Mathew-John B4 The Cross.The Prophesies Alone Blow Your Stupid Atheistic Non Sense To Bits, Of Coarse You Will Have A Lame Reply About This I Am Sure.
Love6653 5 hours ago
@Love6653 Harmony from start to finish in the Bible? Clearly you have not read the book. It is littered with contradictions. In Matthew 1:16, Joseph's father is reportedly Jacob. In Luke 3:23, Joseph's father is Heli. In John 10:30, Jesus claims that he and his father are one. In John 14:28, Jesus claims that his father is "greater than I." In Genesis 1:25 - 1:26, God created beasts first and then created man. In Genesis, 2:18 - 2:19, he created man first then beasts.
Lcacique 3 hours ago
@Lcacique
Only In Your Atheistic Mind.Genesis 2:18-19 Does Not Say Man Was Created First Silly. It Sais God Made All From The Dust Of The Ground Read On Verse 21-23 There Is Gods Helper For Man.Luke 3:23 Remember The Passage Reads Joseph Was Supposedly Jesus Father, But Was Not, And Joseph Was Married To Mary And This Passage Could Be Talking About Eli Being Her Dad, And Josephs Step Dad. You Have Nothing Here Dude.Grasping For Straws, Typical Atheistic Move.
Love6653 2 hours ago
@Love6653
Actually your scripture is not in harmony with itself at all. Jesus prophecied that all the stars would fall from heaven within 25 years of his death. It never happened because it is physically impossible, so Jesus is a false prophet. As Matthew & Luke both provided false and conflicting genalogies for Jesus, and he failed in the 4 tasks of the messiah, clearly Jesus is a false prophet and a false messiah. Also revelations 22:16 reveals that Jesus is in fact Lucifer.
formless777 1 hour ago
@formless777
Typical Atheist Knows Nothing About Scripture. The Stars Were Not Going To Literally Fall Silly.Just Like Acts 2:19-20 Is Not Literal Silly.I Have News 4Yu Dude Jesus Created The Stars, And Us.Revelation 22:16 Is BRIGHT And Morning Star. Lucifer is a FALLEN Star. Get Your Facts Straight.
Love6653 52 minutes ago
Typical Atheist. You Believe In Nothing, Because You Came From Nothing. What A Joke. Sure The Sun Just Popped Out Of No Where, Just Like The Earth Popped Out Of No Where,And Just Happens To Be Just The Right Distance From The Sun To Sustain Life.We Came Up From Pond Scum, Or Apes Depending On The Foolish Non Sense These Silly People try To Conn You With.Do You Exist Atheist? Prove You Exist? How Can We Know? Tell Us Atheist Do You Exist? Prove It. What Evidence Do You Have, Please Show us.
Love6653 5 hours ago
@Love6653 Go get an education please....
IcarusTouma 5 hours ago
@IcarusTouma
Hey Dude I Have An Education. I Know There Is A God.This Atheistic Baloney is satanic To The Core. These Silly Non Believers Need An Education in Strong Deception. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. Looks Like God Is Spot On Here.Strong Delusion On All Who Love Sin.satan Is Your Enemy Atheist, And Believe Me He Is Using You For His Purpose. I Truly Feel Sorry For You Non Believers.Revelation 12:9. You Better Believe There Is A God, And Every Knee Will Bow To Jesus Christ Guaranteed.
Love6653 4 hours ago
@Love6653 Yes, we better love this God who is responsible for creating Satan. He has also allowed Satan to torment humanity despite being omnipotent. And finally, if we do not worship this "loving" God he will send us to suffer for all of eternity. I feel sorry for people like you, who have a perverse understanding of what it means to love and be loved.
Lcacique 3 hours ago
@Lcacique
Typical Atheist Answer.We Are Lost Because Of Sin Dude. God Cannot Exist With Sin, Thus Jesus Was Gods Answer For Our Problem, And Why He Died On The Cross.It Is Your Frail Humanism That Has No Clue About Gods Love, Only Your Limited Humanistic Version.I Feel Real Sorry For Lost Souls Who Cannot See Clear Evidence Of God Existing Yes Truly Sad Indeed.God Lets All Have Free Will, You Can Follow The Looser satan, Or The Great One Jesus, Still Your Choice.
Love6653 3 hours ago
@Love6653
Why Do You Capitalize Every First Letter Of Everything You Write ? Is It Some Sort Of Disability ?
formless777 1 hour ago
@formless777
Do You Worry About How Other People Write There Formless One? Do I Need Writting Lessons From The 7Seven 7 Dude 2 Con-Tin-You?
Love6653 1 hour ago
@Love6653 Do you have scientific evidence that your imaginary friend exists? If so can you post it?
IcarusTouma 2 hours ago
@IcarusTouma
Do You Scientific Proof God Does Not Exist, Or Just THEORIES. You Know The THEORY of DEVIL-DELUSION.I Want Proof Monkey Man. HA HA.Show Us Our Ape Ancestors. HA HA.Show Us Our Ape Grandmas And Grandaddies. HA HA.Was Your Family Tree Started In A Tree? HA HA.Lets Get Back To Basics With Our So Called Ann-Ses-tors And Live In Trees.Come On Icarus Don't Tricarous HA HA.Did Our Monkey Ann-Ses-Tors Have Intelligent Conversations? Would We Go Ape Over Seeing Them today?
Love6653 2 hours ago
@Love6653 Ape grandmas? I see, you're a troll...Silly me, I should've known better. I'm done with you :)
IcarusTouma 2 hours ago
@IcarusTouma
Not Hardly. I Am Showing How Stupid It is To Believe We Came From Apes. That is Plumb STUPID.
Love6653 1 hour ago
@Love6653 Seach for "Evolution made easy" and "Natural Selection Made Easy" by Potholer54, this should answer all your questions :D If you believe it or not, is your own thing. However, it will allow you to understand the idea a lot more, because when you understand it even a little, it doesn't sound "plumb stupid"
MaesMust 1 hour ago
@MaesMust
I Don't Need To Look Into Devil-Delusion Because I Know Who Is Behind All Deception In Our World. We Never Came From Ape's.We Were Created Period. End Of Story.
Love6653 1 hour ago
@Love6653 When you refuse to even try to understand the ideas of people you disagree with you just close yourself off. This close-mindedness is what religion thrives on.
MaesMust 1 hour ago
@MaesMust
Closed Minded. Your One To Talk There Mr. Atheist. You Been Hog feed satanic Lies Probably All Your Life By The Evil One Deluding You Into This Atheistic Baloney. I Have Read The OVERWHELMING PROOF GOD EXIST. I Don't Need The Opinion Of a Brain Washed Atheist To Let Me Know What I Already Know. No Delusion is What satan Thrives On and He Has You Lock Stock, And Gun Barrel.
Love6653 1 hour ago
@Love6653 Here's a fun fact: we don't believe in "Satan" either. It's all fairy tales :D
IcarusTouma 1 hour ago
@IcarusTouma
Of Coarse You Do Not believe In da Devil, He Wants It That Way
Love6653 50 minutes ago
@Love6653 Hahahahahaha
IcarusTouma 48 minutes ago
@IcarusTouma
Let Me Guess Here satan Laughing At All Atheist And All Deceived People Correct?
Love6653 44 minutes ago
@Love6653 Nah, I'm just laughing at you.
IcarusTouma 42 minutes ago
@IcarusTouma
Well satan Is Laughing At All Of Yu Dudes Deceived, And He Loves It. Hope You Wake Up B4 It Is 2 Late. You Will Bow Your Knee To Jesus Christ Guaranteed.Have A Great Night Dude.
Love6653 37 minutes ago
@Love6653
But the Bible tells us that Jesus is Satan.
formless777 1 minute ago
@Love6653 We didn't evolve from apes, we share a common ancestor with them. Go troll somewhere else.
IcarusTouma 1 hour ago
@IcarusTouma
Tell Oh Wise One Where Did We Come From??
Love6653 1 hour ago
@Love6653 We evolved, in fact all living things on this planet evolved from a common ancestor. Like I said, get an education...
IcarusTouma 1 hour ago
@IcarusTouma
Tell Us About Those Ann-Sestors Dude.Where Did We Come From Doughting Thomas? Get A Biblical Ed-You-Kay-Shun and Wake Up.
Love6653 51 minutes ago
@IcarusTouma
I know God exists because he borrows my socks, my keys, and my biros and I can't always find them when I need them because he works in mysterious ways and at mysterious times. Also, one time I put chocolate cake in the fridge, and half an hour it had vanished without a trace. Clear evidence that God exists, he also eats people, hence all the food metaphors for humanity in the Bible (and the Mass), which is why there are so many missing persons notes on Milk.
formless777 2 hours ago
@formless777 LOOOL That was brilliant!
IcarusTouma 1 hour ago
@Arcflash67 So where are you from? Did your demographic enslave people because they were evil too? You're an atheist yourself for the discredit of other gods you claim don't exist.
jdale1 9 hours ago
@Arcflash67 That's an interesting concept, considering the bible and the qur'an both present a conflict. Response? Your only defense is what your book tells you. Which is a pretty weak argument considering you all claim to be right. How do you know? Only one of you can be right while at the same time, you all can be wrong.
jdale1 9 hours ago
@jdale1
Jesus is a Hindu and is Very proud to be one.
The Romas lied and about everything Jesus spoke about. and the King James Raped what was left of him.
All "Christians" are Atheist in Blood soaked chothing working for the Devil.
The Americans enslaved people because they were EVIL.
Arcflash67 12 hours ago
"what do you know about the bible, other than what you've read"
facepalm
sethmarongg 18 hours ago 6
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Lets all follow "Mein Kampf" as a holy book because its a book and we don't need any other evidence for the hateful propaganda in it!
TheGamerDictator 21 hours ago
@Arcflash67 "Autistic children and people in bad situations...." And you have some evidence to back this up right? "You should wait until you are educated...." Says the person who claims children and people in bad situations are in those positions as punishment. What pray tell fly by night institution did you recieve your doctorate from?
jdale1 1 day ago
@dejesusluisx
Autistic childen and people in bad situations are there because they were evil in a past life.
I am surprised some one as educated in religion as you does not Know about the teachings of Hinduism.
You should wait until you are educated before you speak son.
Arcflash67 1 day ago
@Arcflash67 Hinduism is a disease that oppresses people with it's caste system
ElnAlter 22 hours ago
@ElnAlter i wouldn't say hinduism oppresses people, its actually one of the nicer religions, but yeh arcflash67 is a doofus
sethmarongg 18 hours ago
It's so funny how the Christian's only defense is "Wait, wait, wait.....can't I talk.....aren't you going to let me talk....we can't argue like this......let me finish than you can talk". Mean while they just keep talking over the hosts like they're not even there. These hosts are soooo patient with these incompetent and ignorant people.....I don't know how these guys put up with these callers.
Flipper79able 1 day ago
@dejesusluisx that is an interpretation of scripture. However, if it is the actual reason, then it only serves to make God look more like a monster. Who would want to worship a being that commands you to kill your family members out of obedience even if it wasn't planning on making you go through with it.
zensychosis 1 day ago
lol so if everything that stands in a book is true the world would be kinda fucked up I mean there are some crazy books out there and many of them and somehow they all are true even the ones who go against each other :/
TibiaOTarena 1 day ago
The title should be "When Some Christians & Some Atheist get cornered, they get angry."
Tejanofirst 1 day ago
If God is all knowing and all powerful, then why does he have to test people in the first place? Shouldn't an all knowing and all powerful God already know that Abraham is completely faithful? So if the Bible is literally true, then according to Genesis 22, God IS NOT all knowing and all powerful.
zensychosis 1 day ago
@zensychosis The test wasn't for God to know, it was for Abraham to know. The test was for Abraham to realize how strong His own faith was, God already knew it, Abraham didn't.
dejesusluisx 1 day ago
@zensychosis i had this thought yesterday, if god is truely omnipotent, why does he need people and love? needing love is a human condition, which means god is very very human.
if he was truely omnipotent, he wouldn't care... and a real interpretation of what a god would be like is dr manhattan from the watchmen graphic novels.
sethmarongg 18 hours ago
@dejesusluisx Dening Christ and for someone who knows nothing about Christ and saying they don't believe the story are not the same thing. If they knew nothing about him before, they surely didn't believe in him either. If this truly isn't a requirement to get into heaven, than god or Christ are pretty useless in the grand scheme of things. It's better that these people never heard of Chrustianity. The indians thought the same. Things got very bad for them when they wouldn't convert.
jdale1 1 day ago
Christians that say "He didn't sacrifice his son" are automatically morons. There is a one word answer to that bullshit that automatically renders them wrong:
Jephthah.
undisputedgreatest 1 day ago
@undisputedgreatest I just read up on Jephthah. What a lunatic. I feel sorry for his daughter.
TheTerrorUforgot 1 day ago
There is no historical fact that Christ ever existed and I am a Christian. I concede there is no proof by way of evidence. The bible was written by a man, supposedly inspired by divine right, translated many times into even more languages. I am a Christian by faith, but my intellect allows me to concede that I do not follow the bible blindly because as they point out, "books say lots of things". I follow what is in my heart. Not what I am told by voice or someones translation of the bible.
segundooron 1 day ago
@segundooron No offence, but if you accept that dead is the end (i know it suckes) then you don't need religion and you can start living and stop apologizing for beging human.
raduen2 1 day ago
@segundooron "GOD created the heavens and the earth" means the foundation for all matter, known today as energy. Back then, the concept of energy wasn’t even conceived. "And the earth was without form, and void and darkness lay upon the faces of the deep" Describe how the concept of energy must have been viewed through revelation by the viewer. "and the Spirit of GOD hovered over the waters" energy moves through waves, the only analogy conceivable to describe energy is water
dejesusluisx 1 day ago
@segundooron "and GOD said “Let there be light,” and there was light": God spoke, speaking produce waves, a movement of energy. The metaphor implies energy waves colliding, that produced a gigantic spark, hence light. This must have been a colossal collision of the energy produced by God and the existing energy waves. Cosmologists are exploring a collision of waves as a theory of how the Big Bang came to be. How could ancient goat herders produce such a profound metaphor?
dejesusluisx 1 day ago
@segundooron I can go on and on, but I guess you can get the idea the Bible has to be interpreted. Ancient goat herders received an inspiration which, in their ignorance, they described the best way they could. We know better now, we can make sense of that inspiration. God is energy, conscious energy. A spirit is an immaterial conscious being, and only energy is immaterial. Need more proof? God is continuously described as the light, and what is light? energy of course...
dejesusluisx 1 day ago
@dejesusluisx So if I were one of these people that never heard of Jesus and then one day you told me about him and I said I didn't believe you, can I still go to heaven?
jdale1 1 day ago
@jdale1 In reality, it will never be that clear cut. Going to heaven is a matter of being in tune or in the same wavelength of the Father. I say it depends more on how spiritual you are instead of what you believe. It is as difficult to enter heaven for a person that denies Jesus as for a rich person which is only preoccupied with materialism. That's why Jesus used the parable of the camel and the needle eye. There are things that usually don't mix, I hope you get it...
dejesusluisx 1 day ago
sounds like some old black pastor
KongKit 1 day ago
awsome...what a retard!!!!good job guys keep the unfaith!!!
ARTSPAD 2 days ago
If everything in The Bible happened then I want to go to Hogwarts because that must be true too.
cassindia1987 2 days ago
@cassindia1987 I have graduated from Hogwarts and moved to Middle Earth. It's sooooo nice here!!! The mail man is a wizard! Every day I run outside and yell YOU'RE A WIZARD HARRY! (just so happens his name happens to be Harry=double win) I bet he really hates me.
IamYou86 2 days ago
...Only the DEvil would ask someone to kill their child
and the Devil doesnt exist
So that leaves the responsibility on the shoudlers of God
and we all know that GOD doesnt exist
Gee - so that would mean that Abraham must have had a psychoneurotic episode and THOUGHT that he heard a voice telling him to kill his child
And many people hear voices
Alchaeon1 2 days ago
Ok. I hold largely existential, atheistic views. But dammit guys. You need to let the man speak. If your goal is to help christians to see your point of view and more importantly seriously investigate. Then you can't cut the guy off at every turn with aggressive and dismissive tones. You've got to get to the root of what gives someone faith in God at all. Usually a subjective extreme experience or experiences that are suggested to be and interpreted as the experience of God.
cligence 2 days ago
The bible really isn't that hard to read and understand. Why would you think anyone couldn't be an expert in this book?
Cayvmann 2 days ago
2:08 I don't believe it he fell back on an old Muslim tactic. "You're too dumb to understand what our holy book means kthxbai."
Lordgaraj 2 days ago
@Lordgaraj So sad eh. If these two guys aren't smart enough to understand the bible then the caller doesn't have a preyer, lol. I would bet that the two guys on the show have an I.Q. three times higher then the callers.
Cheers Christine
christinepeace 1 day ago
Oook....Everyone listen up. If there really was a time where an entire town who got ressurected and went traipsing around town....we would have heard more about it from way more people. It wouldn't be in just one book.
IamYou86 2 days ago
@dangraphic presented by the church. Gee, I wonder why? And many times when nonbiased 3rd parties offer or want to examine some of these documents or artifacts to authenticate the claims surrounding them, the church either denies the request or procrastinates in accepting the offer. Gee, I wonder why. Are they hiding something. If these things are authentic, you would think they would want to share them with the world to put the doubt to rest.
jdale1 2 days ago
@dangraphic That's because there are no contemporary sources outside of the bible or the qur'an. There are tons of contemporary sources for the historical figures you listed. There are first hand accounts, all with original documentation that can be verified with other sources not just from publications but with people who have actual names, dates, tangible evidence and artifacts. Where have all the religious documents been kept? In a library, peoples homes? No they have all been collected and
jdale1 2 days ago
What EVIDENCE do we have that ANYONE mentioned in any account actually existed?
Why do you discredit the bible as a historical record, yet you would accept other historical records based on testimonial eye witness account that Nero, Napoleon or Jefferson existed. There is no EVIDENCE that these people existed, other than testimonial records. So if we accept that others existed based on eye witness accounts, we can't discount the records in the bible.
dangraphic 2 days ago
@dangraphic The more independent sources that can confirm an event the better a picture we can paint to what actually happened. If there was only one book in history that described Napoleon there would be debate over his existence also. Add on supernatural claims about him and its credibility would diminish.
brono25 2 days ago
@dangraphic "There is no EVIDENCE that these people existed, other than testimonial records. So if we accept that others existed based on eye witness accounts" There are TONS of evidence that these people existed. If there was only one book about Thomas Jefferson and no other contemporary sources that could verify the content of the book, I would seriously doubt Jefferson's existence as well. Eyewitness accounts are unreliable. Take for instance the 500 people who witnessed the crucifixion.
jdale1 2 days ago
@dangraphic Who are these people? What are their names? What did they see, who did they talk too, did they write down their experiences, can anyone else verify that they were there and can they collaborate their stories? We can do all of this with and more with historical figures. Most if not all sources were recorded in real time, several are the same accounts told by many people who can be verified, and other accounts along with tangible evidence can used to authentic the accounts.
jdale1 2 days ago
@dangraphic Most if not all of which Jesus said or did was at the time orally communicated. The world didn't learn anything of what Jesus reportedly said or did until years even centuries after his "death". Which really none of the original documents exist to this day, copies of copies with contradictions and inconsistencies of accounts from either unknown authors or accounts from 2 or 3 people or 500 with no names. It's pretty arrogant on your part to say we should doubt the existence of
jdale1 2 days ago
@dangraphic like Jefferson and Napoleon that have overwhelming evidence for their existence and to trust in one source that has very little or none at all to authentic it's contents. Hear say accounts are not accepted in a court of law and rarely in historical accounts, why should an exception be made for anything else?
jdale1 2 days ago
THEY FORGOT JEPHTHAH IN JUDGES 11:39!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrInflames79 3 days ago
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well i look at death as a combination of evoulotion and reincarnation where as soon as u die u can be reborn because every second 3 people die 5 are born which leaves two empty vessels which either generate two new people or we all started out as single celled organisms and had to work are way up the latter untill we became monkeys after you die from your monkey form then u get to the final stage which is human and once again once ur human you always remain human bill hicks has been reborn
1mcashinrs 3 days ago
@chariotdrvr14 But it just goes to show that in the case with these callers, they are just not prepared to answer questions posed from atheists. It's the mentality that some people consider atheists ignorant (some are) but when faced with one that is educated and knows the bible, the reaction is to get angry when they cannot answer the question and vice versa.
jdale1 3 days ago
Not exactly rooting for the christian caller here, but the atheist panel doesn't exactly impress either. Nothing they said to refute the caller showed much scholastic forethought. But the superimposed comments were funny.
chariotdrvr14 3 days ago
Are mosquitoes,cockroaches,flies,bacteria, e-coli, flesh eating bacteria,dinosaurus,ant,cows,chicken,pigs,dog's, rats, horeses etc going to heaven?
raduen2 3 days ago
@raduen2 Heaven is for conscious creatures.
dejesusluisx 3 days ago
@dejesusluisx So the all loving god made all creatures but only the conscious ones go to heaven? What about a autistic persoon who has no clue about his/her environment.
elephant, dog, dolphine etc goes to heaven,but a mosquitoes and cockroaches dont,Dino's do they have a conscious? And people the worst of all creatures can go to heaven? We have a conscious and we kill everything in our path and then go to church ask for forgivingness and than go to heaven? Is this the best god can think of?
raduen2 2 days ago
@raduen2 Only humans show a level of consciousness that can align them with God's consciousness, the only requirement to be with Him. Now once you are in God's consciousness, you reject all selfish acts, which is what we call evil. If you don't, you aren't ready to be with Him.
dejesusluisx 2 days ago
@dejesusluisx So then i don't want to go to heaven because there wil be no animals in heaven only selfish people,And why did he create the animals in the first place? Just for fun?,he made lions so they can hunt the gazelle so he can watch de carnage?Why did he make the insects?I thought he was the all loving?Don't you think the word conscious help religious people to foul them self why animal don't go to heaven? An elephant knows what dead is,my dog loves me but god don't love him?.get real
raduen2 2 days ago
@raduen2 You got it wrong. The only people that get to go to heaven are unselfish people, selfish people can't get it. What does being all loving have to do with the existence of a particular species of animal?. God is a law giver, He created the laws that allow animals to reproduce, produce variation and new species. Species are the product of variation, not magic. Dogs don't love you, they just lick the hands that feeds them, is instinct. Love is a conscious act, animals don't love.
dejesusluisx 1 day ago
@dejesusluisx;Are kidding me?Do you really believe what you write?About all loving and animals:If he is all loving then he will let animals go to heaven to,but then the hole concept about the bible does not apply,so religious people have to come up with conscious,what you are trying to avoid is the word evolution,but religious people don't believe in evolution. what's the purpose of animals? god likes to watch the hunt ,carnage and killings? Yet another erogant human thinking:Animals don't love!
raduen2 1 day ago
@raduen2 You have no idea what heaven is and why is absurd for animals to go there, anf it has nothing to do about love. ""religious people don't believe in evolution"" this just show your ignorance about the subject. Only religious fundamentalists don't accept evolution. Catholics, as well as many other denominations see evolution as the right hand of God. Evolution is real, and so is God.
dejesusluisx 1 day ago
@dejesusluisxDo you have an idea what heaven is?Why is it absurd for animals to go there? forget conscious i don't buy that. they are god's creation to.And again "Only religious fundamentalists don't accept evolution Catholics, as well as many other denominations" How many are there? you all can even agry on evolution. And i find it absurd that animals to go to heaven. What about you freewill are you allow to keep it in heaven?I hope not because then you wil sin again.With you i mean men ok?
raduen2 1 day ago
@raduen2 The only gift we can give God in return for the life He has given us is our free will. For animals to go to heaven is absurd because heaven is the union of all consciousness, since animals aren't conscious, there's no possible union. Animals are only body, we are body and spirit, so when animals die, there is no spirit to go anywhere, that's why is absurd, material bodies don't go to heaven, neither animals' nor ours.
dejesusluisx 1 day ago
@dejesusluisx So basically in heaven people or conscious you will be wondering arround without freewill just like controle robots forever,because religious people say thats why we have freewill in the first place,not to be robots.About animals and people did you know that we are mamals just like rat's and pig's,plain simple mamals?if a rat is just simple a body than we are just simple a body period.Read some biology books. And please stop thinking that we are better than animals we are the same.
raduen2 15 hours ago
@dejesusluisx One more think i forget and you did not answer. autistic persoon where do a autistic persoon goes? Some of them don't have a conscious and yes they don't know what of who jezus is.
raduen2 2 days ago
@raduen2 An autistic person is like any other person, is a conscious human being. The fact their brain function differently doesn't change that reality. Where did you get the wrong idea that they don't have consciousness? The fact many humans haven't heard about Jesus doesn't exclude them from heaven. Jesus is a message, a way to live, the logos or incarnated verb, and if people live according to the message, even if they didn't know the message existed, they will be one with the Father
dejesusluisx 1 day ago
@dejesusluisx LOL, I don't know what bible you read thats an other proof that it's just a book, there are so many versions of it that even the religious people lost count, according to the bible the only way to get into heaven is thrue jezus,At least 9 out of 10 religious people say's so. I think you don't know any real autistic person believe me,you don't,I have one in my family,She even don't know what's up or down.
raduen2 1 day ago
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@raduen2 ""I think you don't know any real autistic person believe me,you don't,I have one in my family,She even don't know what's up or down"" From what you have posted, I can confidently say you don't either...
dejesusluisx 1 day ago
Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
tigersforchrist 4 days ago
@tigersforchrist How are they gonna be afraid of your threats and your scriptures... they don't beilieve it.... We cannot say there's for sure there's not a god and you can say there for sure there is.
MMAbadassbrett 4 days ago
@tigersforchrist Don't be silly.
hog660 4 days ago
@tigersforchrist
"One Ring to rule them all,One Ring to find them,One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."
J. R. R. Tolkien, The Lord Of The Rings, Book 1, chapter 2
we can all quote works of fiction. How does quoting the bible prove god exists?
daverowbotham 4 days ago
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jdale1 4 days ago
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@tigersforchrist How many times must I tell you? Islam is the only way one can get close to god. If you disagree, Hinduism is the best way to commit oneself for purity to Sheba. No, wait may be it's Buddhism or wicken.
Must accept that not everyone agrees with your beliefs. Sorry you don't accept that
jdale1 4 days ago
@tigersforchrist oh i didnt realize your religion supported its own beliefs, i just converted/
Runningjoels 3 days ago
@devante11 "things must be observed in order to be factual" "science never claims anything it can't show evidence for" Unobserved evidence was my example. We didn't have to observe it in order for it to be factual. The evidence was based on mathematics and estimate models. The evidence is not empirical. So you can try and use the same for anything metaphysical. Good luck with that.
jdale1 4 days ago
@devante11 You are the one that made that claim, not I.
jdale1 4 days ago
@jdale1
what claim did I make? My original post was related to the video. When I was stating unobserved ...I was referring to a uncaused cause.....you clearly misread me from the start
devante11 4 days ago
@dejesusluisx "At least we can say we believe it by faith" And that's where you must draw the line. So admitting that you have faith your beliefs are true, you also have to admit you may be wrong. We admit we may be wrong and have no problem with it. If your going to rely on faith and faith alone, leave it at that. Shifting the burden of proof doesn't help you, you're the one still making the claim.
jdale1 4 days ago
this infuriates me greatly
trollope4lyf2k8 4 days ago
@paw965 No tampering detected.
jdale1 4 days ago
@paw965 Although I agree with you about historicity Jesus, Tacitus is a weak story. The serious side is that the story is most likely hear say. Tacitus heard about Jesus through Christians and never actually met him to face. Secondly. Tacitus would have had access to Roman records. No contemporary records exit of the crucifixion, but Tacitus refers to Jesus as "Christo", records would not have given him a christian name. But unlike Josephus's tampering detected.
jdale1 4 days ago
Writing in AD115, Tacitus describes how Nero blamed the fire of Rome on Christians in AD65 and goes into detail about Christ, namely his death under Pilate and the stories of his resurrection. Tacitus was no friend of Christians and would have had a perfect opportunity to describe Jesus as a myth if that were so. The Jesus-as-myth position is ignorant. Christian or not, no credible historians deny the historicity of Jesus.
paw965 5 days ago
Christians..stop reading your Bible. Quran is the true way! Worship Allah!
Casshyr 5 days ago
@Casshyr NO. worship who you want but, dont be telling me who to worship
TheSantoyo2010 5 days ago
@TheSantoyo2010 yes exactly, don't tell atheists not to be atheists either. Politics should be secular, thank you you just made my point.
Casshyr 4 days ago
@TheSantoyo2010 He didn't tell you who to worship, he said to worship god according to Islamic faith.
jdale1 4 days ago
there is never a shortage of dumb ass christians...
freedom1234573 5 days ago
@devante11 We have never observed the earth or Pluto's orbit, but based on the math, research and if both planets continue to follow the laws of gravity, our conclusion that they will complete their orbits in the calculated time, our conclusion is a scientifically sound conclusion.
jdale1 5 days ago
@jdale1
"We have never observed the earth or Pluto's orbit,our conclusion is a scientifically sound conclusion."
Correct, hence 365 days for the earth to go round the sun once. And it takes 1 day/24 hours to complete one rotation about its axis. We know their is night and day, as we observe this. So the logical conclusion is sound as this is repeated ...and we can measure it
devante11 5 days ago
@devante11 But you said 'things need to be observed to be factual". We haven't observed the earth's orbit, but it is a factual conclusion.
jdale1 4 days ago
@jdale1
And they are observed..by factual conclusions, or in other words they dont change. Therefore we can conclude the earth's orbit.
devante11 4 days ago
@devante11 Then you should go back and correct your statement because there was nothing physically "observed" to come to that conclusion. We didn't see it, yet it's a logical conclusion based on evidence. We've never "observed" atoms but it's a factual conclusion that they exist. So, you don't have to physically see something in order to make a logical conclusion as long as there is tangible demonstrable evidence to support a logical conclusion.
jdale1 4 days ago
@jdale1
"So, you don't have to physically see something in order to make a logical conclusion as long as there is tangible demonstrable evidence to support a logical conclusion"
If you are trying to relate something that because we havent observed it ...you cant say it doesnt exist...e.g. a god/s.....Im not interested. There is no evidence for a uncaused cause/observed...nor any evidence for a outside of existence itself
devante11 4 days ago
@devante11 Exactly, and as soon as creationists get this through their head they'll stop this nonsense that science proves their concept(s).
jdale1 5 days ago
@WombatGully3000 "The old testament was written between 1400 B.C. to 400 B.C the Quran written about 660AD." Relevant because....?? Do you know what the Quran claims to be?
jdale1 5 days ago
"Never heard of Mithra." Hmmm.
algi80 5 days ago
I'm no Biologist, But let's asume the ark story is true, so eight people (noah's family) survived, so we all came out of 8 people, how do you explaine white, black, yellow en red people? Did they just born an other color of did they evolved?
If something must come from something, then god must have came from something ?but does not seems to apply to god?strange!. But i don't see no Dog or Horse running arround with no bible or praying and if you are a biologist you know that we are mammals.
raduen2 5 days ago
Abortion?
Halfadomino 5 days ago
You people are hilarious. No one here knows where matter or energy came from? Without that...no one can refute the creation story. I have an easier time believing "In the beginning...God, than believing "In the beginning...something came from nothing, all the matter in the universe (everything u see and cannot see) swirled within a dot no bigger than a period on this page, exploded; and a single cell organism somehow turned into us.
christopherduke 5 days ago
@christopherduke
"In the beginning...God, than believing "In the beginning...something came from nothing, all the matter in the universe......"
But it wouldnt be created .....because matter would already exist to come from it. Thus to be created ...it would be void and from that void ..comes somethingness..from a void, you get a void
We know matter only exists in the material world. Thus is bound by time and space
devante11 5 days ago
@devante11 Really...wow.
christopherduke 5 days ago
@christopherduke "Without that...no one can refute the creation story." I don't need to refute the creation story. The person claiming the creation story is the one that must present the evidence that it can't be refuted. It's based in supernatural occurrences, so it's the perfect cop out to say that it can't be refuted because the supernatural has not only never been proven to exist, you can't even test it. "I have an easier time believing "In the beginning.."
jdale1 5 days ago
@christopherduke Why do you find it easier? What is the explanation that makes you believe it? "than believing "In the beginning...something came from nothing" The only people proclaiming this are the believers and creationists injecting that's what we believe happened and that's what science is claiming. "Something came from nothing" is a nonsensical statement. The big bang was not an explosion, it wasn't the creation of the universe nor does the theory claim it is. BBT is just
jdale1 5 days ago
@christopherduke an expansion event. The universe expanded from it's previous form and a cause and effect occurred (we don't know what that is) the sun and the planets formed. We have a pretty good idea of how the planets and stars formed. The earth was created and then a "form of life concept" happened. If you want to believe that god was the "form of life concept" that's fine, just don't use "for lack of or I can't think of something better" therefore god and claim it's true.
jdale1 5 days ago
@christopherduke
No one here knows where matter or energy came from?"Without that...no one can refute the creation story."
Who says matter came from anywhere, who observed matter coming from anywhere ...noone......Who saw the first creation take place ....noone
Any creation story can be refuted. As anyone writing about it is "already existing" thus what they are writing is not a "factual observed event". But one of fiction/fantasy and assumptions, baseless of any facts
devante11 5 days ago
Continued from above ... Too many holes in the Big Bang Theory an evolution to be credible. It's really pathetic scientists "believe" this theory. No other theory with this much lack of evidence has ever been supported in the scientific community. I should know...I am a Biologist. It's really sad.
christopherduke 5 days ago
@christopherduke "Too many holes in the Big Bang Theory an evolution to be credible" How so? How does creation explain life's diversity? How does creation explain the creation of the universe? "It's really pathetic scientists "believe" this theory." They don't believe, no one should believe in evolution. Evolution is either right or it's wrong, there's no gray area. If it's wrong, that's just it, it's wrong. It doesn't give the green light to anything else.
jdale1 5 days ago
@christopherduke "No other theory with this much lack of evidence has ever been supported in the scientific community. " Really? Please demonstrate the lack of evidence and provide a better explanation along with evidence to support an alternative. What kind of a biologist are you? I would figure as a biologist, you would have already presented evidence against evolution and the big bang. Why does the the majority of your scientific community disagree with you?
jdale1 5 days ago
Evolution is not science it is a stupid illogical flawed theory with too many holes, lies and hoaxes that needs more faith then any religion on earth. Peace and god bless you all
WombatGully3000 5 days ago
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@WombatGully3000 "Evolution is not science it is a stupid illogical flawed theory with too many holes, lies and hoaxes" Explain. "that needs more faith then any religion on earth" Would you say that it takes more faith to disbelieve the claims that big foot does not exit than it does to believe the claims that big foot does exist?
jdale1 5 days ago
Not only does the evolutionist have selective hearing but they also have selective reading.
WombatGully3000 6 days ago
@WombatGully3000 yea they do
TheSantoyo2010 6 days ago
@TheSantoyo2010 : Faith is not a good thing, deary.
QuestionRenee 6 days ago
@QuestionRenee its a very good thing. missy lol
TheSantoyo2010 6 days ago
@TheSantoyo2010
"Step1 grab a bible(word of God), Step2 OPEN it Step3 READ Step4 STUDY ther you go. your welcome "
Step 1 Dont read man made books telling you of things unobserved
devante11 6 days ago
@devante11 Than you shouldnt read books at all, cus its putting some dumb ideas and unobserved theorys in your head, that you have not even seen. hmmm lol
TheSantoyo2010 6 days ago
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@devante11 Than you shouldnt read books at all, cus its putting some dumb ideas and unobserved theorys in your head, that you have not even seen. hmmm lol
TheSantoyo2010 6 days ago
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@devante11 Than you shouldnt read books at all, cus its putting some dumb ideas and unobserved theorys in your head, that you have not even seen. hmmm lol
TheSantoyo2010 6 days ago
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@devante11 "Dont read man made books telling you of things unobserved" So things must be observed in order to conclude they are true? Is the bible not a man made book? Gotcha thanks for the tip. How many things in science that have been unobserved that are now the best conclusion or best possible answer? How many can you name?
jdale1 5 days ago
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@jdale1
"So things must be observed in order to conclude they are true? . How many things in science that have been unobserved that are now the best conclusion or best possible answer? How many can you name?"
Yes things must be observed to be factual. That has we know things exists...observed, tested, verified, demonstrated and shown to be accurate and correct with evidence
devante11 5 days ago
@WombatGully3000
"When have we observed life come into existence?"
We havent ...only thing we observe is from cause and effect. Not uncaused and effect
devante11 6 days ago
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@WombatGully3000 "Not only does the evolutionist have selective hearing but they also have selective reading." Please demonstrate.
jdale1 5 days ago
We as humans speak for him, we are not animals. Your family is not a bunch of animals, they are human being with a purpose. The creator loves us all, but he hates the sin. I don't believe your existence is meaningless and useless like you do. I believe your existence has great meaning. I believe god wants you to know him, this is why he made science for us. So we can find him through his creation. Not some adult fairytale that says anything can turn into anything given enough time and conditions
WombatGully3000 6 days ago
You people choose to be ignorant and stupid. 100 questions are thrown towards you and your response is, your using a straw man argument yet you can't answer the questions? Then when you ask a question that cannot be answered you claim the theory is wrong. Every time a question is asked you respond with, its a proven fact! Idiotic! If there was any facts in your idiotic theory you would show them. Creation holds it's own. The creator holds his own. His creation speaks for him.
WombatGully3000 6 days ago
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@WombatGully3000 "Every time a question is asked you respond with, its a proven fact! Idiotic! If there was any facts in your idiotic theory you would show them. Creation holds it's own. The creator holds his own. His creation speaks for him.' For someone not presenting the facts of creation that make it true other than "Creation holds it's own" you're pretty demanding of others to present facts.
jdale1 5 days ago
@jdale1
Yes science says this is the best possible answer we have based on evidence at this point in time. But never states this is the final answer. Science goes where the evidence leads. It never claims anything it cant show evidence for
devante11 5 days ago
How stupid, ignorant, illogical and hypocritical can the evolutionist be. It amazes me. Willingly blind, deaf and ignorant. They profess to be wise, but become fools. The truth doesn't change, this is why our theory of creation hasn't changed. The truth can handle all sorts of criticism and investigations. This is why creation has held its own. It doesn't need defense. Evolution is full of lies and hoaxes. Question it you will get ridiculed and abused. The truth doesn't do this.
WombatGully3000 6 days ago
@WombatGully3000
"This is why creation has held its own. It doesn't need defense"
What creation ? what uncause and effect ? when was all this observed?
devante11 6 days ago
@devante11 Open your eyes my friend.
WombatGully3000 6 days ago
@devante11 Anything with a beginning has a cause, anything with a beginning has a creation. In the 1800s this wasn't a problem for the atheist because we thought the universe was eternal. This is something every atheist still ignores until today. Unless something was eternal your theory is shot down. Nothing is eternal only the lord our creator. This is why he is outside his creation, because he is internal without a beginning. The bible told us this thousands of years ago.
WombatGully3000 6 days ago
@WombatGully3000
"Anything with a beginning has a cause, anything with a beginning has a creation"
So who created your god? or are you stating things come from nothing?
"outside his creation"
The definition of existence is everything WITHIN the universe and bound by space and time. You have just claimed a OUTSIDE of existence and a uncaused cause....care to prove them?
devante11 6 days ago