The Final Problem - Part 2 of 6 (Sherlock Holmes)

[julielaughs14]

8:24 Oh! I didn't expect that from Sherlock Holmes! It made me want to hug him even more. :)

[LiveMafia96]

whats the models name?The naked one,you know....

[brycemaster]

My Dad is the great Mendosa at 4:00 in :D

[brycemaster]

@brycemaster Actually more like 4:02 :P

[Kersey475]

When it comes to accuracy and faithfulness to the original stories, Jeremy Brett in the Grenada series is the hands-down best Sherlock Holmes.

Personally, my favorite reinterpritations of the great detective are the modern day "Sherlock" BBC series and the Robert Downey Jr. action-adventure-mystery films (In my defense I am an American who's a huge fan of Michael Bay so my media tastes ain't exactly as refined or as bright as other Sherlockains).

[BazilBentley]

7:47= U mad bro?

[bazzatheblue]

Such good casting here,Eric Porter as Moriarty carries a real air of menace,a real good piece of work between two well matched actors.

[doctorwhoreviewer1]

I love how the theft of the Mona Lisa was successfully incorporated to the already fantastic tale, cos i have already read the original story, and this is SO faithful to it that i can't think of any differences (with the exception of the Mona Lisa theft) AT ALL

Love this series!

[DarkOCDmonkey]

@doctorwhoreviewer1 I'm pretty sure Moriarty being the brains behind the red-headed league wasn't in the original story. Although it's a great idea.

[JedediahsGirl]

don't know if anyone else noticed, but the dialogue at 9:47-9:52 was used in BBC's "Sherlock" episode 'The Great Game'...awesome stuff:) ^___^

[kubricksmith]

@JedediahsGirl That's because it's from the same source - The Original Short Story

[TheDawisu]

hmm ... i think the hair of the nude model looks faked

[davidrubiomartin]

nice ass

[Muriam1]

i dont get any of thhiss

[cha5]

@Muriam1 Read the A Conan Doyle whole story from begining to end. If you still don't understand any of it, then no one can help you there.

[bagshitass]

The way they arrested the man, they would have torn up monaliza as well.. great upload, long live holmes!

[kalioshux]

@bagshitass it is not really possible to rip it, until (as far as I know) Mona Lisa was painted on a wooden board.

[bagshitass]

@kalioshux ..That clears things up, cheers mate!

[AHafan1]

"you have... frontal development than I should have expected..." Wonderful that Moriarty judges Holmes' intelligence capacity on the shape of his skull - so deliciously 19th Century

[Setebos]

@AHafan1 --- in the first chapter of "The Hound Of The Baskervilles", Dr. James Mortimer also notices the shape of Holmes' head, and admits to coveting Holmes' skull (presumably . . . and hopefully . . . at a much later date, and under considerably un-sinister circumstances) for scientific purposes.

[EmilyE257]

lol @ 8:24 "oww!!"

[Imverycute2]

Huh. Naked girl butt. Couldn't get away with that on US network TV today.

You men go on and drool over your naked girl -- I'll just keep drooling over Jeremy. ;)

[thrawndaala]

Professor James Moriarty ( Eric Richard Porter )

University of Leeds

-- Leeds

---- West Yorkshire

------ Yorkshire and the Humber

University of Durham ( Durham University )

-- Durham

---- County Durham

------ North East England

[thrawndaala]

Professor James Moriarty ( Eric Richard Porter )

A Treatise on the Binomial Theorem

-- Binomial theorem

The Dynamics of an Asteroid

-- Johann Carl Friedrich Gauss

---- 1821

---- Ceres ( 1 Ceres ) ( dwarf planet )

---- orbit determination

[jimmbo13]

"Mr Morgan" looked nothing like JP Morgan

[thrawndaala]

Moriarty is seen with a map of Paris in The Red-Headed League.

Professor James Moriarty ( Eric Richard Porter ) is mentioned.

The Return of Sherlock Holmes

-- The Adventure of the Norwood Builder

-- The Adventure of the Missing Three-Quarter

His Last Bow

-- His Last Bow

The Case-Book of Sherlock Holmes

-- The Adventure of the Illustrious Client

The Valley of Fear

[thrawndaala]

Moriarty is seen with a map of Paris in The Red-Headed League.

Professor James Moriarty ( Eric Richard Porter ) is seen.

The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes

-- The Red-Headed League

The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes

-- The Adventure of the Final Problem

The Return of Sherlock Holmes

-- The Adventure of the Empty House

His Last Bow

-- The Adventure of the Devils Foot

[calliesaiyan]

There is definitely a great love between Holmes and Watson, though whether it be romance or bromance is entirely up for debate. Either way, Watson and Holmes are family, and it's nice to see. I love the painters accent, btw.

[TheKulu42]

In a reply to some observations here, I believe that Holmes did love Watson and vice versa, but in a brotherly way. The Ancient Greeks were ahead of us in describing love; in fact, I think they had 7 words for it, covering erotic feelings, paternal feelings, love of children for their parents, etc.

I believe this brotherly relationship with Watson, plus whatever relationship he had with Mrs. Hudson (whether she was an older mother figure or younger woman and mistress) gave Holmes a family.

[gredorial]

:) the client's quietly chatting with the naked girl, holmes is too engrossed in the case to pay attention to her, and I'm wondering what I'm supposed to understand about the French morals of the time opposed to the very uptight Victorian spirit... Or maybe I'm reading too much into it and that's merely comic relief :)

[99range70def]

those butts turned me on, -touchs my vajaja-

[TheKulu42]

A beautiful nude model is only a few feet away, but Holme is so engrossed in his case, he doesn't appear to notice. Wonderful!

[rymicka]

I don´t thik so - I sure he winked at her for a second.

[TheKulu42]

Holmes winked at her? I'll have to check that again. I don't think his face was even pointed in her direction.

[BarnabasFrid]

Also, the fact that he is gay may play a part here.

[TheKulu42]

Not at all! From what I've gleaned from The Canon, Holmes was quite the hetrosexual. In Irena Adler, he saw a woman who could attract him sexually and intellectually. Remember when he mentioned another lady, "the most winning woman", who poisoned children for the insurance money? That implies he was "won" temporarily by her.

I believe Holmes may have had a mistress, possiby Mrs. Hudson-note how she's never described in the Canon. Watson would have excluded such things from his stories.

[BarnabasFrid]

Then my friends wiry arms were round me, and he was leading me to a chair.

Youre not hurt, Watson? For Gods sake, say that you are not hurt!"

[BarnabasFrid]

It was worth a woundit was worth many woundsto know the depth of loyalty and love which lay behind that cold mask. The clear, hard eyes were dimmed for a moment, and the firm lips were shaking. For the one and only time I caught a glimpse of a great heart as well as of a great brain. All my years of humble but single-minded service culminated in that moment of revelation.

[lollipopfop]

@TheKulu42 Mrs Hudson would be far too old for Holmes. there is nearly twenty years difference between them.

[TheKulu42]

Look carefully at the Canon of original stories, and you will see that there is nothing to describe her appearance or age. And note that Sidney Paget never drew an illustriation of her. He passed up an good chance to do so in "The Dying Detective." I think it's because he had nothing to base an illo on!

Some Holmes scholars think this lack of detail was Watson's ploy to hide the Holmes/Hudson relationship, that Hudson was ayounger than we suppose, and Holmes's mistress or common law wife.

[ruthmeb]

@TheKulu42 Better to *read* the canon than glean from it. ACD's Holmes wasn't interested in women (or indeed anyone really) and on several occasions is 'quite the' misogynist. ACD is clear that Holmes admires Adler's besting him but equally clear he doesn't fancy her. "Winning' in Victorian terms means no more than 'charming' - no attraction is implied. Beware putting your own fears and insecurities about homosexuality onto someone else's fiction.

[TheKulu42]

@ruthmeb I read carefully and interpreted, and my interpretation is that Holmes was not gay. We know so little about his life before Watson, so he may have had a sweetheart who either died or left him. And I suspect that 'Mrs. Hudson" was actually a younger woman than generally believed and his mistress or wife. Watson gives us good descriptions of Holmes's clients, but virtually nothing about Mrs. Hudson. Oh, I have lebsian friends and a homosextual cousin, so no 'insecurities' there.

[Setebos]

@TheKulu42 --- your theory concerning Mrs. Hudson was one shared by both Manly Wade Wellman and his son Wade (see their book Sherlock Holmes's War Of The Worlds).

[TheKulu42]

@Setebos I read that book years ago. At first, I was against the idea; Holmes all lovey dovey with a young Mrs. Hudson? But the more I read the Canon, the more sense it made. Watson provides detailed descriptions of clients, adversaries, Scotland Yard detectives, etc., yet almost nothing about Mrs. Hudson. Why? I think Watson was protecting her identity, most likely at Holmes's request. I'll have to get another copy of Wellman's book.

[Setebos]

@TheKulu42 --- I'll have to go back to my copy of the Annotated Sherlock Holmes, because I recall reading there on how an authority on the Canon pretty much echoed your notion (privately concluding that Mrs. Hudson was a "demmed fine figure of a woman").

[TheKulu42]

@Setebos I have a copy of the Annotated Sherlock Holmes, too-a Christmas present/bargain book find from a friend and fellow Holmes fan. If you come across that authority, please let me know which story he/she is referring too. Thanks!

[Setebos]

@TheKulu42 --- now I'm really in the mood to go and search carefully. All I can remember at the moment is that it was one of the annotations, and am pretty certain it was marked "Mrs. Hudson". I'll get back to you if I locate it.

[Setebos]

@TheKulu42 --- found it! Refer to #51 ("The Landlady") in the notes for "A Study In Scarlet". In it, both Vincent Starrett and Manly Wade Wellman are quoted as to their notions that Mrs. Hudson was a young, attractive widow. 

[TheKulu42]

@Setebos Great! I'll certainly check that out! One other factor occured to me: I understand in Victorian times that a household's cook or chief housekeeper was sometimes given the honorific "Mrs." whether they were actually married or not. And the friend who have me the Annotated SH has a theory of her own: That Holmes owned 221B Baker Street. If so, Watson could have been a lodger taken on to help cover expenses in the early days of Holmes's career.

[Songsmirth]

@Setebos Interesting. For some reason I thought M was in his 40's when he died. Also, it's been awhile since I've read the books but I don't remember Holmes ever handling a gun. Didn't he usually ask Watson to bring his?

[Setebos]

@Songsmirth --- keep in mind that one of Holmes' hobbies was to practice with a target pistol (he put Queen Victoria's initials into a wall of his apartment . . . and I bet Mrs. Hudson really loved that). He also used a gun in Hound Of The Baskervilles. Usually though, as you pointed out, he'd simply ask Watson to bring his service pistol along. I presumed that, since it was Watson's gun, Watson was more familiar with it and would've been the better shot.

[lordsummerisle87]

@TheKulu42 Yet the Frenchman immediately strikes up a conversation with her ;-)

[12stringsforme]

that's not the Louvre. Not even close. Sheesh.

[missphipps75]

I'll probably get slammed for being crass, but... I saw this episode not long ago. The model's tushy was censored, but not (as you would expect nowadays) by pixelating it out. Instead they sort of "airbrushed" out the center of her butt, making it into one big bun instead of two buns and a crack. Needless to say, it looked odd and a bit comical. Did anybody else see that? It goes to show how arbitrary standards are: I've seen full frontal nudity on PBS as long as about twenty years ago.

[KingofStarfox]

Lol! That would have been quite funny to see. Portraying a woman with only one big buttock seems to me far more obscene than displaying a more natural representation of human anatomy!

[Chakotaysmack]

censorship ruins all things. butts are real, breasts and genitals also. why hide or distort reality to promote ignorance!

[Trampadoo]

@Chakotaysmack: Well, that's the USA for you. I love the European attitude on that matter. ^_^

I may also add that the theory of Mrs Hudson being Holmes' mistress/wife is the most absurd thing I have read in a while (directed at TheKulu42). No offense meant. 

[missphipps75]

When we first see the model, notice the particular way the fingers on both hands twitch. I can tell you that bit of body language is NOT random. Even before having worked as a figure model myself, certain circumstances have made me sensitive to the psychology of embarrassed nudity. It makes me wonder if it was the director's idea (adding vulnerability to her posing), or if the actress did it involuntarily, being genuinely freaked out by her nude scene.

[flameandshadow]

Jeremy Brett has lovely eyes. Hadn't really noticed it before.

[TheAdamk1981]

@flameandshadow

So Do I :)

[74powers]

He looks pissed but as would I if such a thing was to happen to me, imagine having to manhandle JP Morgan after refusing his offer of foul million pounds for the divinci Mona Lisa a masterpiece forged by a master criminal but still the professor is no match the great Sherlock Holmes as he said it him self "you have an over developed frontal lobe"

You have to love this these two matching wits and playing for keeps

[CaptainPolaris]

That guy really shouldn't be talking to the model. It's distracting to her, the artist, and just plain rude.

[sherlockholmesfan1]

hot

[maciekur]

Is the Mona Lisa part from the oryginal "Final Problem" story, as well?

[ReNeilssance]

No, it isn't. Nice addition though.

[sholmes878]

I prefer the adaptations to be as faithful to the original text as possible. Thats just me though :)

[Setebos]

Was that meant to be J.P. Morgan who was going to buy the original painting from Moriarty?

[randomvideos91]

lol 0:40 watson staring at the women

[srmcd1]

That's not Watson.

[tefilobraga]

Or rather, 19th century France.

[tefilobraga]

The nude woman appears to have bikini suntan marks on her skin... Would this be expectable in Victorian Englang?

[Chakotaysmack]

he was in France.

[shauncollege]

Whoa hey, nudity. Grunt.

[sailorearth2007]

Big nose.

[janestreetmusic]

SUCH A TALENTED CAST..

[simplyrohit21]

@janestreetmusic

Trully! notice from 8:42 to 8:56. Holmes, Moriarty face to face. No one is saying anything, but you can feel the intensity and gravity of the moment. This gentlemen, is truly the work of masters! Hats off to all who created such wonderful work of arts!