its funny to see that people who claim to be a master of musashi's "style", know nothing of musashi and didnt even read the Book of Five Rings, or they just dont get it. They would be killed by a thug holding a baseball bat.
The only way these techniques work if you move forward quickly or backwards quickly into a onelegged stance known as Heacho this brings the leg up out of the way. otherwise not just one hand is going to safely protect yourself. These are the tricks you learn in the very upper levels of schools or ryuhas. Also when teaching foreigners do you really think the japanses masters are going to teach you all the goodies. No. Not unless you prove worthy.
True,I might needs lots more strength,but a real sword,you say is,"light indeed?"I doubt it,not the ones made with steel.or those solid redwood ones. What wrist exercises do you or other real martial artists recommend?
I think there are a few study groups, people who regularly attend the big seminars in Canada, but Im not sure that they are official dojo. There were some Seminar's planned this year for the US but Im not sure they went ahead, not sure why!
It looks a bit hard, but I have a few corrections. People mentioned this before, but this is niten, not Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū. Although I don't know the different styles so I can't call that one.
Secondly, Musashi didn't use just one technique. He was a master of weapons, ranging from the wakazashi to the spear. Although this is coming from Wikipedia so I can't really credit that either.
Well from what I read, he's a pretty funny guy, and I'd love to learn his style. Just dunno where to.
There is no way this is Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. Nito kendo maybe...Musashi's style uses the two swords as two different weapons and never uses them at the same time to cut. It the katana blocks, the wakizashi cuts etc. There is no form in what the instructor does at 1:57 its just a series of flailing motions.
This video express good angle, and an idea of moving 2 swords as one unit, plus he is right, 2 swords are hard to master. Going against someone with 2 swords, 2 Kama's, hook swords etc it adds another blade to the mix, the spear adds the reach. In the end it depends on the people welding the weapons, and on a final note, none of you have ever been in a Duel, with any weapon of any kind, so what would you know about combat with swords and spears?
Well I have a friend that has done hyoho niten ichi ryu, and I've done some sojutsu myself and I can tell you that both are pretty good. Though, I must say a spearman would be substantially more threatening, and that I personally feel awkward with two swords instead of one.
No doubt. People seem to have this notion that a spear or staff isn't as versatile as it is. Of course, there are no swords or spears in actual combat these days, but it is one of the only weapons (besides a gun) that even a beginner is dangerous with, mostly because it has so much range. Also, halberd and spear fighting methods can be applied to almost any long and narrow solid object.
It's also pretty hard to get past the tip, because the spear has so much mass that it's hard to get out of the way and all that must be done to ward off a middling swordsman is point at him. Plus the ones with the cross bars or blades jutting out from the sides can still catch you even if you *do* get past the thing, or catch the length of whatever weapon you've got and drive it down while the tip goes in your leg. Scary prospect, dealing with a good spearman.
I've gotta say the bit about techniques between staves and spears being similar is right on the money, btw. Some people end up wielding bo like a quarterstaff and it just looks silly to me. Wastes all the length of the thing.
Every time I see these guys I try to take the higher ground and keep my mouth shut, but I guess I'm just a belligerent s.o.b. because I can't seem to get passed the lunacy on the video.
I could watch this video with no sound and tell you that the whole thing is nonsense. Don't be deceived! None of this is real! Take your evident passion and enthusiasm for swordsmanship to someone who really knows what they're doing and leave this behind!
Yup, I have. In Japan, at a Japanese dojo that practices real japanese kendo. And yes, they are tough to beat. This? This isn't even remotely close to real.
Do you mean Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu kenjutsu or Nito Kendo, the 2 are very different, Im assuming you are talking about Nito, as I doubt you would have "faced" the former...if so I suppose that entirely depends on your level as a kendoka, and their level as a Nito kendoka.
@rinjimaikeru I'm begining to agree with you guys! Although I've never used 2 swords at the same time, I do know that the stances are wrong! Kenjutsu uses slightly wide stances, usualy similar to horse and bow stance (the Wushu equivilant) I normaly try to give the benefit of the doubt about other styles, simply because I'm only human and cant learn everything, but this is the exeption. Ancient warriors were usualy masters of there body and mind, listening to both! What the hell!!
@rinjimaikeru My body would say thats gonna get you killed!! Swinging aimlessly! If their trying to do Musashi-sans style, I give this advice, "do nothing that is of no use," Myamoto Musashi, Book of Five Rings!
The fine quality swords are heavy aren't they.Only a very strong muscular person could really fight with two swords,but if your'e interested,pls.look into this movie,GOJOE,in which Tadanobu,Asano acted.His character uses lots of two-sword fighting.
@CulturePeaceForever A real sword is very light indeed... If you cannot successfully wield a cut with a sword with one hand, even a claymore, then your simply of BELOW average strength. Any martial artist, or warrior from ancient times would have the strength to easily wield two average weight Katana, and some Katana are extremely light with a point of Balance very close to the hand indeed... These flow effortlessly at the cost of a bit of cutting power. It's like the archers paradox...
@Britbadger You obviously don't know enough about swords or metal for that matter if that's the best argument you can come up with. Katana come in a range of weights and balances, most of which fall into around 2lbs (fullered) 3 ish non fullered. As far as me THINKING what the weight is, I KNOW what the weight is, and the feel, and how fast and effective a cut is with one hand vs two. Two hands will always be "stronger". but one handed grip is quite effective if a bit less deep cutting.
3lbs is not THAT light to be swinging around. A shinai is less than 1lb and Im knackered after training (kendo). I would hate to be swinging two around.
Then your simply not in shape or something LOL. But honestly you don't have to be Conan the barbarian. Also some Katana are balanced better for 1 hand use than others. A non fullered Katana made for heavy cutting is not a good choice. A fullered sword with a POB close to your hand will flow much more effortlessly through motions but won't bite as deeply on the cut.
It's a balance and a trade off. But a shinai is NOT a good sub for a real sword either. Bokken is better.
@Britbadger It must be nice to have an easy excuse for your ignorance then eh? Because I am not a Kendoka (sport fencing), I know nothing about Real swords or how to use them? That's like saying that because I don't play paintball I don't know how to shoot a real rifle too right? Please... This IS pointless, your just another black belt keyboard martial artist.
Unfortunately it's A-typical for Japanese martial arts to be filled with ignorant cliques on you tube and in dojo countrywide.
@Britbadger PS I have worked with Shinai before... If you ever worked with a real sword you would know how different they are.
I have nothing against Kendo or what it teaches, but to confuse it with real comprehensive swordsmanship is silly... It's diluted necessarily into sport application. You cannot compare modern European fencers to their medieval and Renaissance counterparts, or those who train that way.
It's just not the same, no matter how much you want it to be.
@D3mang3l But Im not, your totally mis-construing what I say. I didn't say a shinai is a sub for a sword, i dont confuse it with 'comprehensive' swordsmanship, i realise the different. I don't want it to be the same. Where do you get this all from? Ofcourse youve played with swords before, otherwise you wouldnt of been able to tell me how heavy they are compared to your obvious superhuman strength arms that weight 10 tons. ooh what a ridiculous point I just made!!!
I rarely ever see anyone using 2 swords and never sparred anyone using 2 swords either ... it would be interesting... i hate how 1 sword is shorter tho...
its shorter because its meant for different spaces. Longer swords are good for more open areas, the shorter sword is for speed and agility. So you'd have faster movements and reactions with a shorter sword while the other is power. It's a clever tag team effort essentially.
There is nothing "frivolous" or "flashy" about real HNIR. If that's what they think then they haven't actually seen it and if they did, they certainly didn't understand it. At any rate, if what you say is true it is completely not kosher, especially for a koryu. You can't call yourself Niten Ichi-ryu just because you wave two swords around and think you are doing it better than the guys who have the real HNIR and the backing of Imai Sensei, current Soke of HNIR.
This is sad but true. Everyone looking for a martial arts school should do plenty of research about the style and the teacher before signing on, especially if it's koryu.
I can't remember its name, but its an adaptation of HNIR.
Since a portion of HNIR is essentially frivolous flashy moves some people took it upon themselves to 'clean it up'. That phrasing by the way is all them and not me.
I can't remember the name they gave their style, but this looks like it. They call themselves the true school of Niten Ichi-Ryu.
Indeed, I originally mastered using a single Katana (sword) but after reading The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi I learned that using a katana in one hand and a wakisashi in the other sways the odds in your favor. And also makes a situation with more than one attacker seem more manageable.
the trick is not waiting for the other to attack, the trick is to have the "no-mind" and to reflect your opponent although even if you're a great swordsman you'll have some problems beating a niten ryu guy... he has the ability to attack and defend at the same time as niten ryu was designed for multiple combat ;)
this video is pretty good it is slow to show you the technique being used and it appears to be a pretty good style ... i myself being trained in sword arts know that working 2 swords is a lot harder then it looks, even if you have mastered using a single sword
playing with wooden sticks? a stick works perfectly fine to crack someones skull or break someones bones. But you have a point. I Think that martial arts should be trained for use not for show.
Like in most martial art vids I have seen in youtube, there are always the "That's no good, me (or my school) could do better" boring comments posted.
An attitude which I think is opposed to martial arts, and also opposed to any way of learning whatever you'd like to learn...
Perfect view Ikkenmushou, if any of these kids really do practise any arts they would have by now learnt humility, im sure the teacher reached his grade through skill and ppl need to realise that he is giving a demonstration to students.
my personal peave is the amount of ppl that claim to be learning Hyoho niten ichi ryu.
So to all those Laptop Samurai out there get off your asses and learn rather than claim your superiority over someone who has actully achieved a "real" standing in bushido.
Thats all well and good, But there is a difference between appreciating anothers art and doing an art under someone elses name. That is called theft, and has been iterated numerous times throughout the replys
you have to realise how easy it would be for the guy attacking at the beggining to pull away and defend the second sword! this so called "sensei" is complete balls and has no skill!!
haha, and what's with the windmill thing that he does!?
Also notice how the attacker is already open when he attacks, so there isnt any need to pretend to be Miyamoto Musashi-sama.
so "swordteacher992", tell your teacher to stop teaching you balls, and you stop being cocky about playing with wooden sticks!
Well you don't block with the sharp edge of a blade it will cause it to either dull at the very least. I learned first to keep the other blades timihg off and if you do have to parry or deflect and attack use the mune it is stronger and keeps the HA pointed at your advasary. I am no expert at HNIR but I am a studnet of iaido batto and shinkendo and I was always taught if swords are to make contact with eachother do your best to parry or deflect with the mune. Save the HA for the cut!
Either you cut first and win, or cut slow and need to do something about it. Which is to use a block (which shouldn't be Ha on Ha, which would dull and chip the edge) It's used as a last resort but normally going offline of the sword is enough to not need to block. Also a good point to make is the difference between parries and blocks. Blocks stop the opponent's blade, parries divert, the later is preferred, and if you study martial arts in general, parrying is almost always preferred.
Yah its true Mosconi526 that the true samurai intent was to obey orders and kill the guy. But to do so without damaging the sword that costs about as much as a house is preferred. Blocking in general is only when you cut slower than you opponent which means you need to keep yourself from dying. Samurai fights are not like the ones you see in movies where blocks are made simply to make the battles last longer (for viewing pleasure).
Ok... Im self taught.. :) But im gonna go ahead and say this.. "a warriors only Goal in combat is to cut down the enemy" END OF STORY!!!! Doesnt matter about the blade. If the blade breaks then you had failed long before the battle ever began by not taking care of your Sword.
sword were mostly used in battle . so theres were you need to keep you sword because my sensei once told me that the stories of samurai killing dozens of men are true but that only happens after like 20 minutes into battle were almost all the people are injured or they're sword is dulled . so if you were smart you will try to keep you sword from dulling which was a matter of life and death.
that is true, but dont forget that the sword was a last resort behind the Naginata, which not only kills just as good as the sword, but has better range. Should a sword be broken. Throw it away and grab some other joes sword (joe would mean any random dead guy on the ground with a sword) The sword was a tool, although its an expensive tool, on the battle field, there are tons of them. but yes efficient use is preferable
swords don't break that easily ???? depends what you mean........ when u mean break like snap in two...... it happens more than you might believe. these katana arn't the hollywood swords form the movies. i dare you to try Tamashigiri. you need to make a perfect cut in order to not warp the blade. and tamashigiri is taking out the blood, fatigue and other war time variables. But swords can also be too chipped to use, blood coagulating on the edge making it dull, back then, probably happened alot.
Very true but thats why katanas are made the way they are. First, the smith prestresses the metal by bending it back and forth in the fire. Then,they wrap the steel around a thin strip of clay which helps keep the cutting edge razor sharp and prevent chipping. A well crafted sword can stand up to alot ^_^ And if you use the last 6-8 inches when preforming Tamashi giri then the blade will take minimal stress and still rend the target. But yeah blood and oils totally damage a sword :/
The worst attack for a sword is dijodan shoman giri. Even tho the katana will go straight thru the skull it still damages the blade :/ And nukuichi haza giri is also bad for the blade because it rends the foe's midsection spilling stomach acid all over your sword which if you just shake it off and shieth it, it will just melt away. Thats why samurai would carry a cloth in their obi(robes) to wipe the blade down after a kill. To a master of kenjutsu the sword is an extension of their own body.
Oh and I love Naginata ^_^ i just began my training with it recently,; although I have been training with the rashakabo (Bo staff) which has very similar movements although a Naginata is alot heavier lol.
Yeah guys one of the first thing taught to a swordsman was that if you could avoid a sword do it instead of blocking, so a swordsman would learn how to move on there feet first then train with the sword, because while blade to blade blocking was often necisary it still ruined a blade and if you could move out of the way you should.
Is that rob guy gay, he sounds totally gay. its extremely obvious that blade on blade blocking WAS necesssary and if it was life or death, F*** the sword. A samurai's duty to his lord was much more important than damage to his sword. Only an idiot or a faggot would ever say such a stupid comment about blade on blade blocking not being necessary. So why don't you Mr. Rob go get yourself a life and maybe a clue.
If it was necessary than it is.....But Ha on Ha blocking was unnecessary due to parrying the other blade or taking yourself off-line of your opponent and killing in one cut. if your a samurai that could only "defend" yourself with blade on blade blocks....your not a very good samurai i must say
Haha I'm sorry to say but koryu that are hundreds of years old practice a variety of parries and blocks so you better learn more before speaking haha
And no, this isn't Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu as practiced under Iwami Toshio Gensho, 11th generation soke (or his teacher, Imai Masayuki Nobukatsu). They have possession of the artifacts indicating unbroken lineage, and the people represented above aren't part of that.
Man, give it up. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, you're just spouting stuff you heard from movies and cartoons. Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu as transmitted by Iwami Toshio does have blocks. Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu under Ikeda sensei's line does as well. There are many examples. There are a great number of antique swords with flaws where you would expect after withstanding a block. You're just plain wrong without any supporting argument.
Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. Anyone who actually studies japanese sword arts knows you're wrong besides, there's no point in trying to convince you. Have fun in your little imaginary world, and when you come back, don't forget to check in with actual Japanese sensei who teach actual Japanese Sword Arts. You might be surprised that life is different from the movies.
I have sent you a pm explaining more. Suffice to say that owning a few swords doesn't make you an expert. I have studied and talked with sensei, the subject of blocking does come up, and there are a number of logical reason to block blade-to-blade. You can keep saying it isn't true, but that won't make the sensei and the japanese sword arts disappear, which will give you an opportunity to visit them anyway. I suggest you do.
AHAHAHAHAH!! NO NO!!! stop!! your making me cry... that is NOT niten ichi ryu. niten ichi ryu uses BOKKEN! they are SHINAI! it's kendo mate. plus it's shit teaching. i.e. 27 seconds in the guy has a SUPER weak wrist i mean.. you want to block a real left handed cut with that O.o.... and plus. most of those techniques were a heap of shit. if you wanna see real niten search sasen or any name of the REAL techniques and watch iwama do them. then you'll see the REAL niten and the REAL musashi style.
Some good basic moves here. I'd like to see more slashing techniques with the short sword. Musashi, however prefered to hold both swords out horizontally because he used the short sword to help aid in killing multiple opponents. Good video! Nevermind the haters.
Uh...Requiro, didn't Musashi fight with two long swords?.... Not sure about this..... But as for the techniques displayed, they seem awfully pre-arranged. Wondner how well he'd do in open sparring with chambara with the same weapons.......
I'm annoyed when people act like the experts on sports and comment in these videos. You might actually think that you know what you're doing, but that's it. You THINK you know what you're doing. Can you actually walk the walk? The majority of these posters don't even participate in these sports. They merely see something on the internet and attempt to criticize the actions of others.
Real Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu doesn't use shinai. Many people confuse it with what is widely known as nito ryu, which is just kendo using two swords. Search youtube for niten ichi ryu and you'll find what it really is.
Are people born stupid or do they become that way? Once again this isn't nito kendo. It is Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. Different styles have different kata and different purposes in their technique. Paladin you are being very arrogant in what you speak. For your sake you better have some godly videos of your own using your style or else you are just a hating moron. The video makes sense to what is written in Musashi's book. dont pay attention to these fools that call kendo a game with players.
There is no 'shinai' sparring in HNIR, shinai use, iai/batto, tamashigiri, left handed use of the daito, etc, within the HNIR. They use bokken btw. The man is a fake, so quit trying to act as if you know HNIR. This is not it. Do your research.
This is just horrible. How do you people fall for this stuff. This is not how two swords are used. Ask any nito kendo player or anyone who actually practices. Lastly, the "cuts" the instructor makes have no power or purpose. if you are going to show how to cut, then at least cut and stop flailing around like an idiot.
personally i think this guy is NOT a complete fraud because from what i see he does have some kendo training. but he might not use traditional methods, he teaches his students his own brand of kendo. but that is really not a problem
If this is supposed to be ko-ryu, why are they fighting like they're holding shinai? Parrying like he's showing you would destroy a nihon-to very quickly. Most ko-ryu thus use dodges or simple flicks / careful receptions to preserve the blade.
Oh, and the "x" block that he does is amazingly inefficient.
"It is my opinion that there is nothing wrong with a block if it saves your life. Of course, stopping a blow full on can damage a sword, but swords are replacable. Plus, if you train yourself to NEVER block you'll.... never block. Sometimes it is necessary ;)"
Swords are replacable, yes. But the basis of JSA is that the sword is supposed to represent your life. Without the sword, you can't fight. To just say that a sword is just a replacable tool would make anyone who takes real JSA croak.
Some styles/arts have different ways of thinking. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Samurai never really thought of the sword as their "soul" until peace times when many Iaido schools were refined. It is my understanding that way back when when the sword was employed on the battle field, it was a TOOL in which to preserve yourself and dispatch a foe. I believe this is how kenjutsu treats a sword. Although there is still a level of respect and reverance :D
I would have to say that stating "Samurai never really thought of the sword as their 'soul' until peace times..." is false. The idea of the katana being a Samurai's soul originated from Bushido, which arose as ealry as the 11th century(1001 AD).
I would have to say that stating "Samurai never really thought of the sword as their "soul" until peace times " is false. The idea of the katana being a samurai's soul originated from Bushido, which arose as early as the 11th century(1001 AD).
I would have to say that stating "Samurai never really thought of the sword as their "soul" until peace times " is false. The idea of the katana being a samurai's soul originated from Bushido, which arose as early as the 11th century(1001 AD).
It wasn't til the 17th century that there was a decline in employed samurai, which was followed by the meiji restoration and eventually peace, meaning less Bushido practice and thus less reverance for the katana. This would be the opposite of what you said.
On the contrary, the Gendai Budo (created post-Meiji, including Kendo) prize the weapon with great reverence and respect. It's true that there was a more intellectual and philosophical treatment of the art, but this began during the Edo period, before Meiji's rise
Well, what I was really going for was that the samurai didn't consider the katana as only a tool, even in the early days of the samurai. Would you agree?
Yes and no. The term Samurai is whored out to be a synonym of the word "Bushi" - warrior. Samurai could be anyone from people that scrubbed a Daimyo's floor to the greatest warrior in to the prefecture. In general, it's too broad to generalize what a Samurai thought of their weapon over 500-600 some odd years of experience.
That aside, Bushi prized all their weapons, though to varying degrees of importance. Bushi from the Nara period are characterized as utilizing their weaponry more as tools - the warriors from the Tokugawa period and the subequent peace are really the ones who popularized the spiritual significance of the katana through their peacetime meditations.
But wasn't the nara period in the 8th century, whereas Bushido was developed in the 11th? If so, then it would make sense that they considered their weapons more as tools during that time. And wasn't the main weapon for infantry on the battlefield a spear, with the katana as a sidearm?
To my understanding what you say about the spear is true. This is the reason I believed that they thought of the sword more as a tool than their soul. It was a "just in case" kind of thing.
(part 2) On top of that, if a Samurai lived through many battles and was forced to employ use of his sword mroe than once, it is likely that he will have gone through a few swords in his day. That is also why I personally thoguht that attaching your soul to something that needs to be replaced so often seemed a bit strange. It just seemed more appropriate that this philosophy would rise once peace time has settled and swords were used less for battlefield confrontation.
Your logic does appear to add up. Although I'm not sure that a samurai would go through several swords in a day, but then again I don't know exactly the style of fighting the infantry employed on the battlefield. The kenjutsu I'm most familiar with involves parries that don't stop the enemies blow abruptly but rather redirected it so that the blade's edge would not be damaged.
Haha, sorry, I didnt mean "in one day" I more or less meant "during his lifet ime". Yes, to preserve a sword's edge (and the sword itself) one would be more disposed to parries than full on blocks. I believe however that blocking cannot be 100% avoided, so it could've happened now and then, especially in a battle field situation.
(part 2 again :D) The Samurai would actually dull their blades a bit before battle in an attempt to preserve their swords should they contact with hard materials. I never woulda thought of that :D
Hmm, never heard of that before. Did they dull the whole blade though? I read somewhere that the tip of the sword is said to be the sharpest(or at least most used) because it is the part that provides damage while still staying as far out of your opponents range as possible, meaning the rest of the blade could be used for parries. If this is true, then I'd think you'd only need to dull the lower 3/4 of the blade.
Old comment, but you know... it really doesn't add up. Most of the famous swordsmen of the Muromachi period, from the Onin war onwards, were just that. *Swordsmen*. But the funny thing is, though they were famous swordsmen, swords weren't nearly as popular or effective as spears. Yet you had this apparent reverence for dudes with swords. Kamiizumi Nobutsuna, Tsukahara Bokuden, Yagyu Munenori, Iizasa Ienao. Granted, they were all master spearmen, but that's not what made them famous. Why?
I believe it is because of the sword's natural and formal essense. It is the embodiment of a Samural's spirit, because it represents thier soul; hard yet supple, reflective, and razor sharp. It is straight-foreward and well-rounded in style, and a swords clean cut or stab seems so elegant and pure. It is not so much the weapon's practicality but what it means as a symbol to those fighting men.
The sword didn't have that sort of connotation at the period I mentioned. Swords could be owned by anybody of any rank at this time, with no length restriction whatsoever. Therefore, the significance of the sword as the "soul of the samurai" was not necessarily there. We don't actually know why people were noted as swordsmen, though it could have something to do with swords being particularly expensive, and therefore being a symbol of your status. We don't actually know.
It's relevant to the topic at hand. Maybe if you spent more time actually reading the above and less time stroking your cock to some shitty translation of gorin no sho, you'd have followed the conversation, which was about the prevalence of the "sword = soul of the samurai" concept and when it was actually relevant.
Sorry If I offended you. But, my Great Grandfather was a samurai, and I have been training under my Father since I was a little boy. I understand Bushido in the Japanese language, not translated. One of the reasons the sword was so expensive at that time is because of what it meant to a Samurai as a symbol to have one. In many cultrues the sword is a symbol of a warrior. Like a woman`s LV purse, it was not so much the material that made it expensive, but what having it meant.
The sword before the Edo period wasn't much of a symbol for samurai at all. Why? Because anybody was allowed to own one. The only reason the long sword became the "symbol" of samurai was to one-up commoners and strengthen the grip the samurai had on the lower class. That, however, does not account for the several hundred years of samurai history before that period, which is exactly what I am saying.
As regards your family, I don't give a shit. I'm descended from a long line of mercenaries and stone masons from about the 1400's, but that doesn't make me an authority on either. Samurai, like other warrior cultures, evolved quite a bit over a long period of time, and did in fact change with the times. The sword wasn't a symbol of samurai until the Edo period. Which is after the Muromachi period. If you disagree with that, you could be the Emperor's half cousin and still be dead wrong.
The vdeo above, and the associated videos, do not show Hyoho Nten Ichi Ryu (HNIR), nor any "branch of HNIR." (A branch would be 'something-ha name-ryu' not 'something-ryu name-ryu' as these "Kimini Ryu HNI-Ryu" guys claim.)Simply using two swords or two shinai -- poorly, in this case -- does not make it so.
first off in nito ryu normal size shinai isnt used for protection as this guy is, the nito shinai is the one for defense
antoniohdg 8 months ago
its funny to see that people who claim to be a master of musashi's "style", know nothing of musashi and didnt even read the Book of Five Rings, or they just dont get it. They would be killed by a thug holding a baseball bat.
andrewsalamon 1 year ago
@andrewsalamon the book of five rings is a great book and has lots of tips to help any "martialist" become better
serenadesilhout 11 months ago
This is HNIR. anyone who thinks otherwise just needs to read the water scroll a few thousand more times. "each guard is part of the act of killing."
I have a question. Do any of the master's techniques against multiple opponents survive to this day?
Thank you for your time
honortheemporer 1 year ago
@honortheemporer Nope, its not HNIR, simple as that, and that is all.
nicostormUK 1 year ago
i'm sorry i'm not convinced
zenaku85 1 year ago
The only way these techniques work if you move forward quickly or backwards quickly into a onelegged stance known as Heacho this brings the leg up out of the way. otherwise not just one hand is going to safely protect yourself. These are the tricks you learn in the very upper levels of schools or ryuhas. Also when teaching foreigners do you really think the japanses masters are going to teach you all the goodies. No. Not unless you prove worthy.
rvking2005 1 year ago
True,I might needs lots more strength,but a real sword,you say is,"light indeed?"I doubt it,not the ones made with steel.or those solid redwood ones. What wrist exercises do you or other real martial artists recommend?
CulturePeaceForever 1 year ago
fail...
they dont even know how to dispose the bogu for keiko.
leandroken 2 years ago
it seems like this guy doesn't eaven know what the fuck he's teaching the others
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aguilaroja001 2 years ago
Are there any Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu dojos in the USA?
Karateforlife777 2 years ago
I think there are a few study groups, people who regularly attend the big seminars in Canada, but Im not sure that they are official dojo. There were some Seminar's planned this year for the US but Im not sure they went ahead, not sure why!
nicostormUK 2 years ago
Where is this class being taught at? It looks like they are on a Racquetball Ball Court.
Karateforlife777 2 years ago
@Karateforlife777 Musashi-Kai seminar is all there is unless you are lucky enough to know a sensei/sempai who practices it.
almoroth 2 years ago
It looks a bit hard, but I have a few corrections. People mentioned this before, but this is niten, not Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū. Although I don't know the different styles so I can't call that one.
Secondly, Musashi didn't use just one technique. He was a master of weapons, ranging from the wakazashi to the spear. Although this is coming from Wikipedia so I can't really credit that either.
Well from what I read, he's a pretty funny guy, and I'd love to learn his style. Just dunno where to.
frikyouall 2 years ago
There is no way this is Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. Nito kendo maybe...Musashi's style uses the two swords as two different weapons and never uses them at the same time to cut. It the katana blocks, the wakizashi cuts etc. There is no form in what the instructor does at 1:57 its just a series of flailing motions.
Delmo67 2 years ago 2
wrong
juxtapoz98 2 years ago
any reasoning to your comment?
Delmo67 2 years ago
This video express good angle, and an idea of moving 2 swords as one unit, plus he is right, 2 swords are hard to master. Going against someone with 2 swords, 2 Kama's, hook swords etc it adds another blade to the mix, the spear adds the reach. In the end it depends on the people welding the weapons, and on a final note, none of you have ever been in a Duel, with any weapon of any kind, so what would you know about combat with swords and spears?
damian1469 2 years ago
Well I have a friend that has done hyoho niten ichi ryu, and I've done some sojutsu myself and I can tell you that both are pretty good. Though, I must say a spearman would be substantially more threatening, and that I personally feel awkward with two swords instead of one.
lulzbot 2 years ago
No doubt. People seem to have this notion that a spear or staff isn't as versatile as it is. Of course, there are no swords or spears in actual combat these days, but it is one of the only weapons (besides a gun) that even a beginner is dangerous with, mostly because it has so much range. Also, halberd and spear fighting methods can be applied to almost any long and narrow solid object.
LoganBruneau 2 years ago
It's also pretty hard to get past the tip, because the spear has so much mass that it's hard to get out of the way and all that must be done to ward off a middling swordsman is point at him. Plus the ones with the cross bars or blades jutting out from the sides can still catch you even if you *do* get past the thing, or catch the length of whatever weapon you've got and drive it down while the tip goes in your leg. Scary prospect, dealing with a good spearman.
lulzbot 2 years ago
I've gotta say the bit about techniques between staves and spears being similar is right on the money, btw. Some people end up wielding bo like a quarterstaff and it just looks silly to me. Wastes all the length of the thing.
lulzbot 2 years ago
That is why they were the mainstay of all weapons in medieval armies orient or ocident, cheap, easy to handle easy to manufacture keep and train.
Nebelung13 2 years ago
Every time I see these guys I try to take the higher ground and keep my mouth shut, but I guess I'm just a belligerent s.o.b. because I can't seem to get passed the lunacy on the video.
I could watch this video with no sound and tell you that the whole thing is nonsense. Don't be deceived! None of this is real! Take your evident passion and enthusiasm for swordsmanship to someone who really knows what they're doing and leave this behind!
rinjimaikeru 2 years ago 5
Amen
lulzbot 2 years ago 2
Agreed.
LoganBruneau 2 years ago
bullshit.....have any of you faced an opponent skilled in niten?
a skilled niten swordsman is very tough to beat.
sigma941 2 years ago
Yup, I have. In Japan, at a Japanese dojo that practices real japanese kendo. And yes, they are tough to beat. This? This isn't even remotely close to real.
rinjimaikeru 2 years ago
Do you mean Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu kenjutsu or Nito Kendo, the 2 are very different, Im assuming you are talking about Nito, as I doubt you would have "faced" the former...if so I suppose that entirely depends on your level as a kendoka, and their level as a Nito kendoka.
nicostormUK 2 years ago
@rinjimaikeru I'm begining to agree with you guys! Although I've never used 2 swords at the same time, I do know that the stances are wrong! Kenjutsu uses slightly wide stances, usualy similar to horse and bow stance (the Wushu equivilant) I normaly try to give the benefit of the doubt about other styles, simply because I'm only human and cant learn everything, but this is the exeption. Ancient warriors were usualy masters of there body and mind, listening to both! What the hell!!
AmericanSamurai100 3 months ago
@rinjimaikeru My body would say thats gonna get you killed!! Swinging aimlessly! If their trying to do Musashi-sans style, I give this advice, "do nothing that is of no use," Myamoto Musashi, Book of Five Rings!
AmericanSamurai100 3 months ago
Yeah it can be pretty hard not getting skewered...
lulzbot 2 years ago
The fine quality swords are heavy aren't they.Only a very strong muscular person could really fight with two swords,but if your'e interested,pls.look into this movie,GOJOE,in which Tadanobu,Asano acted.His character uses lots of two-sword fighting.
CulturePeaceForever 3 years ago
@CulturePeaceForever A real sword is very light indeed... If you cannot successfully wield a cut with a sword with one hand, even a claymore, then your simply of BELOW average strength. Any martial artist, or warrior from ancient times would have the strength to easily wield two average weight Katana, and some Katana are extremely light with a point of Balance very close to the hand indeed... These flow effortlessly at the cost of a bit of cutting power. It's like the archers paradox...
D3mang3l 1 year ago
@D3mang3l Mate, a sword is a piece of metal. I think it may be heavier than you think.
Britbadger 1 year ago
@Britbadger You obviously don't know enough about swords or metal for that matter if that's the best argument you can come up with. Katana come in a range of weights and balances, most of which fall into around 2lbs (fullered) 3 ish non fullered. As far as me THINKING what the weight is, I KNOW what the weight is, and the feel, and how fast and effective a cut is with one hand vs two. Two hands will always be "stronger". but one handed grip is quite effective if a bit less deep cutting.
D3mang3l 1 year ago
3lbs is not THAT light to be swinging around. A shinai is less than 1lb and Im knackered after training (kendo). I would hate to be swinging two around.
Britbadger 1 year ago
@Britbadger
Then your simply not in shape or something LOL. But honestly you don't have to be Conan the barbarian. Also some Katana are balanced better for 1 hand use than others. A non fullered Katana made for heavy cutting is not a good choice. A fullered sword with a POB close to your hand will flow much more effortlessly through motions but won't bite as deeply on the cut.
It's a balance and a trade off. But a shinai is NOT a good sub for a real sword either. Bokken is better.
D3mang3l 1 year ago
@D3mang3l Ok, well your not a kendoka. You wouldn't know. This is now pointless.
Britbadger 1 year ago
@Britbadger It must be nice to have an easy excuse for your ignorance then eh? Because I am not a Kendoka (sport fencing), I know nothing about Real swords or how to use them? That's like saying that because I don't play paintball I don't know how to shoot a real rifle too right? Please... This IS pointless, your just another black belt keyboard martial artist.
Unfortunately it's A-typical for Japanese martial arts to be filled with ignorant cliques on you tube and in dojo countrywide.
D3mang3l 1 year ago
@Britbadger PS I have worked with Shinai before... If you ever worked with a real sword you would know how different they are.
I have nothing against Kendo or what it teaches, but to confuse it with real comprehensive swordsmanship is silly... It's diluted necessarily into sport application. You cannot compare modern European fencers to their medieval and Renaissance counterparts, or those who train that way.
It's just not the same, no matter how much you want it to be.
D3mang3l 1 year ago
@D3mang3l But Im not, your totally mis-construing what I say. I didn't say a shinai is a sub for a sword, i dont confuse it with 'comprehensive' swordsmanship, i realise the different. I don't want it to be the same. Where do you get this all from? Ofcourse youve played with swords before, otherwise you wouldnt of been able to tell me how heavy they are compared to your obvious superhuman strength arms that weight 10 tons. ooh what a ridiculous point I just made!!!
Britbadger 1 year ago
@D3mang3l your just as much of a keyboard martial artist as me or anyone else who decides to weigh in on an argument.
Britbadger 1 year ago
Dis some Bullshit yall.
rinjimaikeru 3 years ago
That's ... a lot of badges...
Peekingduck 3 years ago
I rarely ever see anyone using 2 swords and never sparred anyone using 2 swords either ... it would be interesting... i hate how 1 sword is shorter tho...
7skf7 3 years ago
its shorter because its meant for different spaces. Longer swords are good for more open areas, the shorter sword is for speed and agility. So you'd have faster movements and reactions with a shorter sword while the other is power. It's a clever tag team effort essentially.
thebatmanofonett 3 years ago
There is nothing "frivolous" or "flashy" about real HNIR. If that's what they think then they haven't actually seen it and if they did, they certainly didn't understand it. At any rate, if what you say is true it is completely not kosher, especially for a koryu. You can't call yourself Niten Ichi-ryu just because you wave two swords around and think you are doing it better than the guys who have the real HNIR and the backing of Imai Sensei, current Soke of HNIR.
drosera99 3 years ago
I agree with you.
However the reality is they are free to provide false information and dupe whoever doesn't know how to go about learning HNIR the proper way.
And so they will most likely carry on.
thebatmanofonett 3 years ago
This is sad but true. Everyone looking for a martial arts school should do plenty of research about the style and the teacher before signing on, especially if it's koryu.
drosera99 3 years ago
There is no way this is real HNIR. Sorry but this is fake.
drosera99 3 years ago
HNIR? what's thaT?. . . . Nitten Ryu has lineage that dates back to The Legendary swordsman Miyamoto Musashi.
SuperJavie 3 years ago
I believe you are referring to Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu. That is the school Miyamoto Musashi founded and that is what is meant by HNIR.
Whatever they're doing in the video, it's not real Niten Ichi-ryu.
drosera99 3 years ago
That's it bro. . thanks for droppin some knowledge.
SuperJavie 3 years ago
agreed, what I cannot figure out is, its not HNIR, and its not nito kendo, so what actually do they think they are doing?
nicostormUK 3 years ago
I have know idea...
drosera99 3 years ago
I can't remember its name, but its an adaptation of HNIR.
Since a portion of HNIR is essentially frivolous flashy moves some people took it upon themselves to 'clean it up'. That phrasing by the way is all them and not me.
I can't remember the name they gave their style, but this looks like it. They call themselves the true school of Niten Ichi-Ryu.
thebatmanofonett 3 years ago
nice moves! i study a different ryu so my kamae position is different...
pedritoelmalote 3 years ago
Indeed, I originally mastered using a single Katana (sword) but after reading The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi I learned that using a katana in one hand and a wakisashi in the other sways the odds in your favor. And also makes a situation with more than one attacker seem more manageable.
otherthreat 3 years ago
Nice. However a wise swordsman would have no problem against someone using two swords. The trick is not attacking first :)
renesito 3 years ago
Meh... I don't about tricks... I think alot more people when because of offense,
DXAnimeLoverPersonXD 3 years ago
the trick is not waiting for the other to attack, the trick is to have the "no-mind" and to reflect your opponent although even if you're a great swordsman you'll have some problems beating a niten ryu guy... he has the ability to attack and defend at the same time as niten ryu was designed for multiple combat ;)
pedritoelmalote 3 years ago
this video is pretty good it is slow to show you the technique being used and it appears to be a pretty good style ... i myself being trained in sword arts know that working 2 swords is a lot harder then it looks, even if you have mastered using a single sword
gothemo10101 3 years ago
Wow!! great technique explaining !!
Seems to be very logic and efficient techniques and I have no reasons to say that's not HNIR.
Always came bunches ov detractors...Just keep doind it man!!
Asatrupagan82 3 years ago
I really wish these videos had be taken off you tube by now. Its an embarrassment.
five2niner 3 years ago 2
playing with wooden sticks? a stick works perfectly fine to crack someones skull or break someones bones. But you have a point. I Think that martial arts should be trained for use not for show.
Trollhammaren33 3 years ago
Good vid!
Like in most martial art vids I have seen in youtube, there are always the "That's no good, me (or my school) could do better" boring comments posted.
An attitude which I think is opposed to martial arts, and also opposed to any way of learning whatever you'd like to learn...
ikkenmushou 3 years ago
Perfect view Ikkenmushou, if any of these kids really do practise any arts they would have by now learnt humility, im sure the teacher reached his grade through skill and ppl need to realise that he is giving a demonstration to students.
my personal peave is the amount of ppl that claim to be learning Hyoho niten ichi ryu.
So to all those Laptop Samurai out there get off your asses and learn rather than claim your superiority over someone who has actully achieved a "real" standing in bushido.
Namiwakiru 3 years ago
Thats all well and good, But there is a difference between appreciating anothers art and doing an art under someone elses name. That is called theft, and has been iterated numerous times throughout the replys
Starnerd67 3 years ago
Thank you!
Peace0MamaCas 3 years ago
or mabey learn the arts then critisize them.
Gobliterator 3 years ago
Most of the guys here commenting do seem to learn these arts. The point is this is not really Kendo or Kenjutsu, its certainly not HNIR.
nicostormUK 3 years ago
you have to realise how easy it would be for the guy attacking at the beggining to pull away and defend the second sword! this so called "sensei" is complete balls and has no skill!!
haha, and what's with the windmill thing that he does!?
Also notice how the attacker is already open when he attacks, so there isnt any need to pretend to be Miyamoto Musashi-sama.
so "swordteacher992", tell your teacher to stop teaching you balls, and you stop being cocky about playing with wooden sticks!
youngaikidoka 3 years ago
I practice the nitto style and...thats simply horrible really...
Ptolemayos 4 years ago
Is he wearing socks in the dojo, or are his feet just really white?
sicnor553 4 years ago
Looks like he's got Tabi on!
spookyfbi 4 years ago
no actually he's not...seems to be a very pale white dude
solid11203 3 years ago
Well you don't block with the sharp edge of a blade it will cause it to either dull at the very least. I learned first to keep the other blades timihg off and if you do have to parry or deflect and attack use the mune it is stronger and keeps the HA pointed at your advasary. I am no expert at HNIR but I am a studnet of iaido batto and shinkendo and I was always taught if swords are to make contact with eachother do your best to parry or deflect with the mune. Save the HA for the cut!
RPTHUD5 4 years ago
That can differ between ryu. Each Ryu will have different thoughts on it.
spookyfbi 4 years ago 3
but this clip is about as much to do with HNIR as my kids playing Jedi in the back yard!
spookyfbi 4 years ago 3
Sorry folks! This is BS. There is no way that this is Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu. Sorry!
And this "teacher" knows 0 about HNIR.
drosera99 4 years ago 8
oh and just to repeat!
Nope no way is this HNIR!
spookyfbi 4 years ago
you have to protect you sword! Its like breaking a hammer 5 minutes into building a house without a replacement!
gusta20 4 years ago
This is not Hyoho niten ichi ryu.
spookyfbi 4 years ago 4
i dont think, he can block any two handed swing with just one hand...
Sempfei 4 years ago
Either you cut first and win, or cut slow and need to do something about it. Which is to use a block (which shouldn't be Ha on Ha, which would dull and chip the edge) It's used as a last resort but normally going offline of the sword is enough to not need to block. Also a good point to make is the difference between parries and blocks. Blocks stop the opponent's blade, parries divert, the later is preferred, and if you study martial arts in general, parrying is almost always preferred.
Starnerd67 4 years ago
Yah its true Mosconi526 that the true samurai intent was to obey orders and kill the guy. But to do so without damaging the sword that costs about as much as a house is preferred. Blocking in general is only when you cut slower than you opponent which means you need to keep yourself from dying. Samurai fights are not like the ones you see in movies where blocks are made simply to make the battles last longer (for viewing pleasure).
Starnerd67 4 years ago
Ok... Im self taught.. :) But im gonna go ahead and say this.. "a warriors only Goal in combat is to cut down the enemy" END OF STORY!!!! Doesnt matter about the blade. If the blade breaks then you had failed long before the battle ever began by not taking care of your Sword.
Mosconi526 4 years ago
Yes, Kill the enemy. If your sword breaks, fight with the shard.
j5221436598 4 years ago
that's were your wrong.
sword were mostly used in battle . so theres were you need to keep you sword because my sensei once told me that the stories of samurai killing dozens of men are true but that only happens after like 20 minutes into battle were almost all the people are injured or they're sword is dulled . so if you were smart you will try to keep you sword from dulling which was a matter of life and death.
gusta20 4 years ago
plus if you break you sword in battle .......you dead
gusta20 4 years ago
Swords would have been a side arm on the battle field for the most part.
spookyfbi 4 years ago
that is true, but dont forget that the sword was a last resort behind the Naginata, which not only kills just as good as the sword, but has better range. Should a sword be broken. Throw it away and grab some other joes sword (joe would mean any random dead guy on the ground with a sword) The sword was a tool, although its an expensive tool, on the battle field, there are tons of them. but yes efficient use is preferable
Starnerd67 3 years ago
Swords dont brake that easily mate.
renesito 3 years ago
swords don't break that easily ???? depends what you mean........ when u mean break like snap in two...... it happens more than you might believe. these katana arn't the hollywood swords form the movies. i dare you to try Tamashigiri. you need to make a perfect cut in order to not warp the blade. and tamashigiri is taking out the blood, fatigue and other war time variables. But swords can also be too chipped to use, blood coagulating on the edge making it dull, back then, probably happened alot.
Starnerd67 3 years ago
Very true but thats why katanas are made the way they are. First, the smith prestresses the metal by bending it back and forth in the fire. Then,they wrap the steel around a thin strip of clay which helps keep the cutting edge razor sharp and prevent chipping. A well crafted sword can stand up to alot ^_^ And if you use the last 6-8 inches when preforming Tamashi giri then the blade will take minimal stress and still rend the target. But yeah blood and oils totally damage a sword :/
otherthreat 3 years ago
The worst attack for a sword is dijodan shoman giri. Even tho the katana will go straight thru the skull it still damages the blade :/ And nukuichi haza giri is also bad for the blade because it rends the foe's midsection spilling stomach acid all over your sword which if you just shake it off and shieth it, it will just melt away. Thats why samurai would carry a cloth in their obi(robes) to wipe the blade down after a kill. To a master of kenjutsu the sword is an extension of their own body.
otherthreat 3 years ago
Oh and I love Naginata ^_^ i just began my training with it recently,; although I have been training with the rashakabo (Bo staff) which has very similar movements although a Naginata is alot heavier lol.
otherthreat 3 years ago
Yeah guys one of the first thing taught to a swordsman was that if you could avoid a sword do it instead of blocking, so a swordsman would learn how to move on there feet first then train with the sword, because while blade to blade blocking was often necisary it still ruined a blade and if you could move out of the way you should.
tannerblack666 4 years ago 2
Is that rob guy gay, he sounds totally gay. its extremely obvious that blade on blade blocking WAS necesssary and if it was life or death, F*** the sword. A samurai's duty to his lord was much more important than damage to his sword. Only an idiot or a faggot would ever say such a stupid comment about blade on blade blocking not being necessary. So why don't you Mr. Rob go get yourself a life and maybe a clue.
Shadowtengu 4 years ago
If it was necessary than it is.....But Ha on Ha blocking was unnecessary due to parrying the other blade or taking yourself off-line of your opponent and killing in one cut. if your a samurai that could only "defend" yourself with blade on blade blocks....your not a very good samurai i must say
Starnerd67 4 years ago
um, kendo isnt intended to mimick samurai actual fighting on the battlefield.
Shanedidwhat 4 years ago
This is NOT Hyoho niten ichi ryu.
It's a bunch of B.S. flim-flmmery is what it is.
Why hasn't this sad excuse for a video been removed yet?
Kenzan3000 4 years ago
haha im sorry to say this but a katana is not meant to parry another sword your going to get nips in it and well your going to destroy your sword
so you better be sticking with wood for that haha
rob864guy 4 years ago
Haha I'm sorry to say but koryu that are hundreds of years old practice a variety of parries and blocks so you better learn more before speaking haha
And no, this isn't Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu as practiced under Iwami Toshio Gensho, 11th generation soke (or his teacher, Imai Masayuki Nobukatsu). They have possession of the artifacts indicating unbroken lineage, and the people represented above aren't part of that.
splice42 4 years ago
no the samurai always avoided parries they respect their blades more than anything except their lord
rob864guy 4 years ago
Man, give it up. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, you're just spouting stuff you heard from movies and cartoons. Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu as transmitted by Iwami Toshio does have blocks. Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu under Ikeda sensei's line does as well. There are many examples. There are a great number of antique swords with flaws where you would expect after withstanding a block. You're just plain wrong without any supporting argument.
splice42 4 years ago
a katana is not meant to go to blade to blade blocking so get over it
rob864guy 4 years ago
Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. Anyone who actually studies japanese sword arts knows you're wrong besides, there's no point in trying to convince you. Have fun in your little imaginary world, and when you come back, don't forget to check in with actual Japanese sensei who teach actual Japanese Sword Arts. You might be surprised that life is different from the movies.
splice42 4 years ago
hahahahahah omg your just so clueless
the swords used in the movies are thicker than a real katana so they can handle the abuse thats used in movies
now a real folded steel katana if it hits another folded steel katana with the same hardness both will become chipped
once again to get it through your head a katana is not meant for blade on blade blocking
i own a few katana, i have read about them and how they are made. why dont you go run along now and play with your bokken
rob864guy 4 years ago
I have sent you a pm explaining more. Suffice to say that owning a few swords doesn't make you an expert. I have studied and talked with sensei, the subject of blocking does come up, and there are a number of logical reason to block blade-to-blade. You can keep saying it isn't true, but that won't make the sensei and the japanese sword arts disappear, which will give you an opportunity to visit them anyway. I suggest you do.
splice42 4 years ago
AHAHAHAHAH!! NO NO!!! stop!! your making me cry... that is NOT niten ichi ryu. niten ichi ryu uses BOKKEN! they are SHINAI! it's kendo mate. plus it's shit teaching. i.e. 27 seconds in the guy has a SUPER weak wrist i mean.. you want to block a real left handed cut with that O.o.... and plus. most of those techniques were a heap of shit. if you wanna see real niten search sasen or any name of the REAL techniques and watch iwama do them. then you'll see the REAL niten and the REAL musashi style.
Sethicus111 4 years ago
Any credibility you may have conceivably had - was just completely annihilated by the "O.o"
Go watch some Inuyashu you fucking wapanese faggot
akaMouse 4 years ago
This is NOT Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu! It's a form of bastardised Kendo!
swordsman5 4 years ago 2
Some good basic moves here. I'd like to see more slashing techniques with the short sword. Musashi, however prefered to hold both swords out horizontally because he used the short sword to help aid in killing multiple opponents. Good video! Nevermind the haters.
teh4klift 4 years ago
no.... he used one long one short.
602gts 4 years ago
Uh...Requiro, didn't Musashi fight with two long swords?.... Not sure about this..... But as for the techniques displayed, they seem awfully pre-arranged. Wondner how well he'd do in open sparring with chambara with the same weapons.......
GunnySGT1911 4 years ago
my god, what a bullshit. I would ask the guy if he had been in a duel before to see that movements are not there
batilc 4 years ago
valen madre ponganse a trabajar mejor
supersmashmike45 4 years ago
Much respect to Myamoto Musashi, who was the first kensai who "invented" the art of fighting with the katana and the wakizashi
Requiro 4 years ago
The guy actually using Niten Ichi Ryu seems to really know what he's doing. Although they're not really sparring, all his movements are precise.
drunkenirishpunk 4 years ago
It would be true if this was HNIR, but it isn't. It's something he made up.
mriaidoka 4 years ago
I'm annoyed when people act like the experts on sports and comment in these videos. You might actually think that you know what you're doing, but that's it. You THINK you know what you're doing. Can you actually walk the walk? The majority of these posters don't even participate in these sports. They merely see something on the internet and attempt to criticize the actions of others.
(all of the above directed towards KeijiMaeda86)
Council13 4 years ago
No man, seriously, this isnt kendo, its just some guys trying to sword fight. You could call it that, but its not kendo.
scidz0 4 years ago
Real Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu doesn't use shinai. Many people confuse it with what is widely known as nito ryu, which is just kendo using two swords. Search youtube for niten ichi ryu and you'll find what it really is.
neogtrmn 4 years ago
Are people born stupid or do they become that way? Once again this isn't nito kendo. It is Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. Different styles have different kata and different purposes in their technique. Paladin you are being very arrogant in what you speak. For your sake you better have some godly videos of your own using your style or else you are just a hating moron. The video makes sense to what is written in Musashi's book. dont pay attention to these fools that call kendo a game with players.
KeijiMaeda86 4 years ago
Mr. KeijiMaeda86,
There is no 'shinai' sparring in HNIR, shinai use, iai/batto, tamashigiri, left handed use of the daito, etc, within the HNIR. They use bokken btw. The man is a fake, so quit trying to act as if you know HNIR. This is not it. Do your research.
mriaidoka 4 years ago
This is just horrible. How do you people fall for this stuff. This is not how two swords are used. Ask any nito kendo player or anyone who actually practices. Lastly, the "cuts" the instructor makes have no power or purpose. if you are going to show how to cut, then at least cut and stop flailing around like an idiot.
paladin586 4 years ago
personally i think this guy is NOT a complete fraud because from what i see he does have some kendo training. but he might not use traditional methods, he teaches his students his own brand of kendo. but that is really not a problem
beetlejuice202 4 years ago
I would love to be given the chance to go to this guys "dojo" and expose him as a fraud.
five2niner 5 years ago
that is one horrible instructor. boring. im a fun instructor.
TheEmperoroftheUni 5 years ago
Bullshit! If you see a "real kenjutsu lesson", you undertanding better!
Castrojrbass 5 years ago
i want my 4:55min back
3X0N 5 years ago
not sure but there's a flaw on their technique. They leave their mid section too open, you just stab in the mid and the end.
that's the theory anyways
3X0N 5 years ago
If this is supposed to be ko-ryu, why are they fighting like they're holding shinai? Parrying like he's showing you would destroy a nihon-to very quickly. Most ko-ryu thus use dodges or simple flicks / careful receptions to preserve the blade.
Oh, and the "x" block that he does is amazingly inefficient.
kichigaikendoka 5 years ago
"It is my opinion that there is nothing wrong with a block if it saves your life. Of course, stopping a blow full on can damage a sword, but swords are replacable. Plus, if you train yourself to NEVER block you'll.... never block. Sometimes it is necessary ;)"
Swords are replacable, yes. But the basis of JSA is that the sword is supposed to represent your life. Without the sword, you can't fight. To just say that a sword is just a replacable tool would make anyone who takes real JSA croak.
Anime12478 5 years ago
Some styles/arts have different ways of thinking. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Samurai never really thought of the sword as their "soul" until peace times when many Iaido schools were refined. It is my understanding that way back when when the sword was employed on the battle field, it was a TOOL in which to preserve yourself and dispatch a foe. I believe this is how kenjutsu treats a sword. Although there is still a level of respect and reverance :D
ltaction 5 years ago
I would have to say that stating "Samurai never really thought of the sword as their 'soul' until peace times..." is false. The idea of the katana being a Samurai's soul originated from Bushido, which arose as ealry as the 11th century(1001 AD).
Kensuke 5 years ago
I would have to say that stating "Samurai never really thought of the sword as their "soul" until peace times " is false. The idea of the katana being a samurai's soul originated from Bushido, which arose as early as the 11th century(1001 AD).
Kensuke 5 years ago
I would have to say that stating "Samurai never really thought of the sword as their "soul" until peace times " is false. The idea of the katana being a samurai's soul originated from Bushido, which arose as early as the 11th century(1001 AD).
Kensuke 5 years ago
It wasn't til the 17th century that there was a decline in employed samurai, which was followed by the meiji restoration and eventually peace, meaning less Bushido practice and thus less reverance for the katana. This would be the opposite of what you said.
Kensuke 5 years ago
On the contrary, the Gendai Budo (created post-Meiji, including Kendo) prize the weapon with great reverence and respect. It's true that there was a more intellectual and philosophical treatment of the art, but this began during the Edo period, before Meiji's rise
kichigaikendoka 5 years ago
Well, what I was really going for was that the samurai didn't consider the katana as only a tool, even in the early days of the samurai. Would you agree?
Kensuke 5 years ago
Yes and no. The term Samurai is whored out to be a synonym of the word "Bushi" - warrior. Samurai could be anyone from people that scrubbed a Daimyo's floor to the greatest warrior in to the prefecture. In general, it's too broad to generalize what a Samurai thought of their weapon over 500-600 some odd years of experience.
kichigaikendoka 5 years ago
That aside, Bushi prized all their weapons, though to varying degrees of importance. Bushi from the Nara period are characterized as utilizing their weaponry more as tools - the warriors from the Tokugawa period and the subequent peace are really the ones who popularized the spiritual significance of the katana through their peacetime meditations.
kichigaikendoka 5 years ago
But wasn't the nara period in the 8th century, whereas Bushido was developed in the 11th? If so, then it would make sense that they considered their weapons more as tools during that time. And wasn't the main weapon for infantry on the battlefield a spear, with the katana as a sidearm?
Kensuke 5 years ago
To my understanding what you say about the spear is true. This is the reason I believed that they thought of the sword more as a tool than their soul. It was a "just in case" kind of thing.
ltaction 5 years ago
(part 2) On top of that, if a Samurai lived through many battles and was forced to employ use of his sword mroe than once, it is likely that he will have gone through a few swords in his day. That is also why I personally thoguht that attaching your soul to something that needs to be replaced so often seemed a bit strange. It just seemed more appropriate that this philosophy would rise once peace time has settled and swords were used less for battlefield confrontation.
ltaction 5 years ago
Your logic does appear to add up. Although I'm not sure that a samurai would go through several swords in a day, but then again I don't know exactly the style of fighting the infantry employed on the battlefield. The kenjutsu I'm most familiar with involves parries that don't stop the enemies blow abruptly but rather redirected it so that the blade's edge would not be damaged.
Kensuke 5 years ago
Haha, sorry, I didnt mean "in one day" I more or less meant "during his lifet ime". Yes, to preserve a sword's edge (and the sword itself) one would be more disposed to parries than full on blocks. I believe however that blocking cannot be 100% avoided, so it could've happened now and then, especially in a battle field situation.
ltaction 5 years ago
(part 2 again :D) The Samurai would actually dull their blades a bit before battle in an attempt to preserve their swords should they contact with hard materials. I never woulda thought of that :D
ltaction 5 years ago
Hmm, never heard of that before. Did they dull the whole blade though? I read somewhere that the tip of the sword is said to be the sharpest(or at least most used) because it is the part that provides damage while still staying as far out of your opponents range as possible, meaning the rest of the blade could be used for parries. If this is true, then I'd think you'd only need to dull the lower 3/4 of the blade.
Kensuke 5 years ago
Old comment, but you know... it really doesn't add up. Most of the famous swordsmen of the Muromachi period, from the Onin war onwards, were just that. *Swordsmen*. But the funny thing is, though they were famous swordsmen, swords weren't nearly as popular or effective as spears. Yet you had this apparent reverence for dudes with swords. Kamiizumi Nobutsuna, Tsukahara Bokuden, Yagyu Munenori, Iizasa Ienao. Granted, they were all master spearmen, but that's not what made them famous. Why?
lulzbot 3 years ago
I believe it is because of the sword's natural and formal essense. It is the embodiment of a Samural's spirit, because it represents thier soul; hard yet supple, reflective, and razor sharp. It is straight-foreward and well-rounded in style, and a swords clean cut or stab seems so elegant and pure. It is not so much the weapon's practicality but what it means as a symbol to those fighting men.
LoganBruneau 2 years ago
The sword didn't have that sort of connotation at the period I mentioned. Swords could be owned by anybody of any rank at this time, with no length restriction whatsoever. Therefore, the significance of the sword as the "soul of the samurai" was not necessarily there. We don't actually know why people were noted as swordsmen, though it could have something to do with swords being particularly expensive, and therefore being a symbol of your status. We don't actually know.
lulzbot 2 years ago
Well thanks for telling me that, its really interesting, but what does it have to do with actual swordplay and ,artial arts?
LoganBruneau 2 years ago
It's relevant to the topic at hand. Maybe if you spent more time actually reading the above and less time stroking your cock to some shitty translation of gorin no sho, you'd have followed the conversation, which was about the prevalence of the "sword = soul of the samurai" concept and when it was actually relevant.
lulzbot 2 years ago
Sorry If I offended you. But, my Great Grandfather was a samurai, and I have been training under my Father since I was a little boy. I understand Bushido in the Japanese language, not translated. One of the reasons the sword was so expensive at that time is because of what it meant to a Samurai as a symbol to have one. In many cultrues the sword is a symbol of a warrior. Like a woman`s LV purse, it was not so much the material that made it expensive, but what having it meant.
LoganBruneau 2 years ago
The sword before the Edo period wasn't much of a symbol for samurai at all. Why? Because anybody was allowed to own one. The only reason the long sword became the "symbol" of samurai was to one-up commoners and strengthen the grip the samurai had on the lower class. That, however, does not account for the several hundred years of samurai history before that period, which is exactly what I am saying.
lulzbot 2 years ago
As regards your family, I don't give a shit. I'm descended from a long line of mercenaries and stone masons from about the 1400's, but that doesn't make me an authority on either. Samurai, like other warrior cultures, evolved quite a bit over a long period of time, and did in fact change with the times. The sword wasn't a symbol of samurai until the Edo period. Which is after the Muromachi period. If you disagree with that, you could be the Emperor's half cousin and still be dead wrong.
lulzbot 2 years ago
自信過剰にもほどがありますね。日本人の血が入っていて、日本語で五輪の書を読んだ者に対して、shity-transateを読んでいるとは、面白い見解です。
LoganBruneau 2 years ago
逝ってよし
lulzbot 2 years ago
The vdeo above, and the associated videos, do not show Hyoho Nten Ichi Ryu (HNIR), nor any "branch of HNIR." (A branch would be 'something-ha name-ryu' not 'something-ryu name-ryu' as these "Kimini Ryu HNI-Ryu" guys claim.)Simply using two swords or two shinai -- poorly, in this case -- does not make it so.
SeikiBrian 5 years ago
If it works in combat.... We teach and use it.(Tournaments)
D321W 5 years ago
i second rottunpunk. this guy is fishy. check out the other niten ichi ryu videos on youtube...they are short but informative.
oh, and if musashi was here he would kill you all! haha.
wrathVchild 5 years ago
at one point the bloke teaching sticks the tip of the shinai on the floor and leans on it.
one of the first things i earnt was never to treat a shinai that way, for safety reasons as well as respect to the weapon
:p