Proof of Concept XenDesktop vs VMware View

[mahermali]

I'm trying to run BF3 in Wine it doesn't work, on VirtualBox it's useless I think I'll try XEN desktop soon, thanks

[mEtalzarE]

you need to know, that vmware virtulize the drivers, while citrix got their xentools. its like comparing apples and pears :) you need to look whats the best for you enviroutment

[FreePizza007]

Hi Please answer me this question. On top of a IBM x460 is it possible to have XEN with 64 bit guests vist, xp, linux etc.??

I have a x460 that does not support intel VT. Put VMWare 64 bit on and now I cannot put 64bit os's onto VMware. Can XEN overcome this?

Thanks.

[mbuis]

@FreePizza007 Xen requires CPU virtualization support/extensions (Intel VT, AMD-V) for running HVM guests (=Windows). Virtualization support needs to be enabled in the system BIOS. Intel calls this feature also as "VT-x".

So if your CPU doesn't have Intel VT support, you can only run non windows guest machines on your XenServer.

Hope it helps.

[TQ255]

Overduidelijk! 

[quiubolecab]

Anyone has tried kaviza with HDX?

[roshanrr2006]

VMware View and PCoIP is not a WAN optimized protocol like Citrix ICA. Citrix XenDesktop and XenServer is the clearer winner and for 1/3 of the Cost.. If you want PCoIP via Citrix, You can use Citrix Provisioning server for LAN based delivery.

People need to understand the Application and Desktop visualization models before selecting a technology..

search good for understanding-all-the-applicat­ion-and-desktop-delivery-

[vmwaretips]

Purely commenting on the video. Just responding to some of the previous commentators. I agree with the previous comment that this needs to be done with PCoIP, but I'm firmly confident that vSphere is the hypervisor of choice regardless of the VDI decision.

[RyouDizzy]

Would be more interesting to see Citrix HDX vs View with PCoIP..

[dragakane]

citrix is my product of choice when it comes to VDI

[vmwaretips]

With VMware vSphere advanced technologies like DPM there is little reason why we wouldn't want to put our desktops into the datacenter.

Adding other reasons like IP protection, simpler remote access and extending the lifecycle for the desktop PC from 3 years to 10 years makes VDI a no brainer.

[jwhalen72]

@vmwaretips Sorry, are you commenting on the demo or preparing to shoot a VMware commercial?

[vmwaretips]

VMware vs Citrix are very close when it comes to technology and price. HDX and PCoIP are apples/apples and bandwidth/latency are all relative. If you're on a low bandwidth high latency connection then PCoIP will compensate.

Pricing? Apples/Apples IMO, VMware View Premier comes with vSphere for free, Citrix's solution is no different, your going to pay a per seat license and you're putting it back into the DC.

If your running Windows you still have a license there regardless.

[mbhurley2001]

lets see XenDesktop 4 vs View 4

[hipponl]

please do this again with XenDesktop View 4 with PCoIP. everyone already knows about rdp's bad performance with multimedia

i support both solutions, so i can support more customers and keep working/earning money ;-) you just compared the display protocol

hope to see an updated video soon

cheers

[jabberwolf]

and again Vm is making you put all ur eggs in 1 basket.. all your CPU and power back into the server room.

But I agree they should do Views 4 with PCoIP against XEND with HDX.

then show the ability AS WELL AS - the traffic created.

Management point of view.. bad bad idea if simply not practical for vmware view.

[TigerOscar78]

is vmware and xendesktop the same as having a thin client?

[strawberryx1234]

citrix is a solution!!! vmware only a product! THATS IT

[vmwaretips]

Just wait until PCoIP is embedded in VMware View 4. So long RDP

[jabberwolf]

Who cares.. with PCoIP you have 1 point of failure and need oodles more processing in the datacenter. Not to even mention a Massively larger PIPE for a switch for the traffic created.

While most are trying to lower power constraints INSIDE the datacenter. Vmware forces you to put it all inside the datacenter.

This is where in practice Citrix Xen simply works and Vmware views simply doesnt!

PS - the XEN HDX works just as well without the massive traffic that PCoIP creates.

[damtux]

Dude, comparing XenDesktop to Vmware view is quite a non sens because by default VMWare provide RDP protocole and we know that kind of solution is very lite. But don't forget XenDesktop is using ICA which use a compression on the client. So if you want to compare both solution then compare Citrix XenDesktop to VMWare with RDP enhancement (like HP RDP). Also don't forget that view 3.1 support HP RGS which support 3D and High latency (and in this case, VMWare will be better)

[SpeedoJoe]

damtux raises some very good points. mbuis, could you look into this and produce another video. I'd be very interested in seeing the new results.

[jonpanozzo2006]

Except you're forgetting that those are additional costs. In addition, everyone knows that Provisioning Server is a superior platform to linked clones. Not to mention that Citrix will always own the desktop and application virtualization space...

[seanbolding]

With enough money anyone can make anything better. I think the point is that using default software that does not include running out and buying enhancements, Citrix blows away VMware. On the other hand if you insist on spending a fortune to make VMware achieve the same technical comparisons then go right ahead. For my money, Citrix is the better solution all around. BTW, I'm both a VMware VCP and a Citrix CCEA so I know what I'm talking about.

[Oljaitu]

I assume you are using Port ICA on the XenDesktop and RDP on the View side?

[mbuis]

You're correct. We were using both native clients for the testing. The Citrix Desktop Receiver and the VMware View client.

[jabberwolf]

Are you using the vmware client virtualization ?

And are they running locally with network connection and do you have an example offline ?

[ivanromog]

Very interesting, could you publish que hardware that you used to do this? Thanks a lot.

[mbuis]

The hardware that is used during this test are:

3x IBM System x3550 with

2 x Intel Xeon E5410 @ 2.33 GHz

32 Gb internal memory.

On 2 machines we run XenServer and on one machine we run ESX.

On XenDesktop the VDI's have 512 MB internal memory and on VMware View they have 1GB of memory.

[mrtrexblog]

I'm curious about the client used to connect to the virtual desktop in this POC.

Will the performance be the same on a simple thin client?

[yonderbox]

What is the music?

[mbuis]

It's a song from Merlin's Magic... ;-)