Good for you, If people like you move into the feminist organizations and boot out the ancient man hating evil dykes that run those entities, MRA's and Feminists might someday be able to work together and get this mess straightened out. For the time being however those organizations are basically hate groups that try to extract wealth and power from society and push men further into the lower disposable class. Until they improve, those organizations are the enemy of anyone with a objective mind
I cant understand why this video has been downvoted...what you say makes perfect sense to me, and it's entirely correct. I think the reason you have been downvoted is because you (rightly) defend feminism, and say that feminists and MRA's should get together and bring down something which is bad for them both...however it reveals the men's rights movement for what it is...anti-feminist. Not pro-men.
@misterparadise89 I think your respons is a good indicator of why people are voting this down. The men's right movement is NOT an anti-feminist movement, the same way the feminist movement (depending on your definition, but ill not go into that now) is not an anti-men's rights movement. But a lot of negative views do excist between the two groups from what I have seen, and your statement doesnt rly help to promote equal rights for both sexes :P
@misterparadise89 I agree, it doesnt make sense. I suppose people are too lazy to listen. She's simply explaining why this double standard exists, not saying its right. As far as feminism and "Men's rights" (whatever the fuck that is), lets not muddy the water. Neither of these groups should exist. The top comment is right, women DO get special privilege, and as long as there are "feminists" out there throwing a fuss and ruining everyone's day, they always will. Lets all just shut the fuck up
Modern technology with its labor-saving devices (created and maintained by men) have given women the delusion of power. "I can do anything!" Fact is, they can't. Oh, they're powerful enough when talking or tapping on a keyboard is concerned, but just wait until the car stops running or the garbage disposal is on the fritz. Just wait until something heavy needs moving or there's a sidewalk to be broken up. Then it's "Oh, poor me, is there a big, strong man to do this for me (blink, blink)."
Wow, you are smarter than any other famous feminist I have ever heard speak. Way to critically think about the larger picture and the value of getting down to fundamentals. It is so sad when you see advocates of feminine or male issues not seeing the double sided coin, and just working together for the greater good of both genders.
You instantly portrayed the woman as being the victim of a male.., when infact she can be a victim of her own stupidity and our thoughts go instantly to the concern for her well being. Whereas a male who falls victim to his own stupidity is usually laughed at in the less serious matters.., even in some serious matters
So what you are saying that wimen are depressed in the modern community? I deeply disagree with that, if you look at a modern day society you can see that in a lot of relationships the power in the relationship is splitted 50/50. I am not saying that all relationships are like that but a lot of modern relationships are like that now.
And the part about when a boy cries, the father tells him to man up and stop crying. I have never seen anyone talk to their crying child like that.
@LabratTremulous that would indeed be a funny story... but i fear she'd kill you afterwards... oh dear, that is a funny picture xD
Oh, btw: I do racist and discriminating jokes; about everyone. The problem is that people take insult of it. I don't see a big differ between people as groups in big scale, but i see differ in individual qualities, but i do know history, and because of this i make jokes based on what i know: Look at Gabriel Iglesias, he is super funny, does racist :)
Feminism is flawed for the same reasons that Masculism is flawed.
Humanism will suffice until the aliens land, and then we'll have to do better once again...
Also, lets stop pretending that physical strength is not a factor in the language we are using. It is, and it is also important for our monkey brains to cope with this modern society we have created. To see how, watch how a group of men treat each other, with respect to the skinny and the strong. Weakness is ingrained in ALL animals.
you won me over...in part. while i agree with the second half of your video (about gender stereotpyes hurting everyone) i DONT agree with you assertion that it is even understandable to laugh at men where they have been debased and made to be utterly vulnerable.
it is wrong. mutilation and torture of a fellow human being is wrong. inflicting horror, fear and shame upon a fellow human being is wrong. unequivocally.
The problem with this vid is that you suppose it's just one theory. When Lorena Bobbit cut off her husband's penis they hated him because of her reasons. It's just too conveniant that everytime there is obliviousness towards violence towards men, it's because of men. One woman on the crap 'Talk' show stated that she has thought of castrating her husband too. When it's okay for a woman to say that, is that really, in and of itself, the fault of stereotyping. I'd blame that on pathos.
It's funny he wasn't able to protect himself while he was asleep and some psycho bitch cut his penis off. Yea that is sooooo hilarious. You have any idea the physical pain he must have endured. Lets not also forget the emotionally pain he will feel for the rest of his life. He won't ever be able to have sex again for starters but he is now robbed of his manhood. You make me sick!
It's not weak to be mutilated while you sleep. It could even happen to Chuck Norris. Just try and call him weak, he'll fucking do it to you when you're wide awake and have a loaded shotgun ready.
Well spoken, you seem the kind of 'reasonable' and non biased person the feminist movement needs, instead of bashing men while still wanting all their privileges and still going for men who earn a high wage, a nice car, and have loads of confidence. But as it stands, the feminist act want to have their cake and eat it too, and if they keep doing that, men will still treat them like shit and not take them seriously. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.
Stopped 2 seconds in point is not funny to laugh now as it wouldnt be funny with circumstances reveresed now stfu and stop trying to make it more than it is.
you hit the nail on the head for a big part of this, but like many others have stated, much of the feminist movement wants more rights for women without taking away their special privileges.
What feminism seems to want to do is free women from their patriarchal obligations to society and to men, while holding men to their patriarchal obligations--utility, provision, protection and disposability, all for the benefit of women.
Feminism is two-faced. It wants to keep male gender roles intact for the benefit of women.
Very interesting. I was vehemently against feminism until not long ago. However, I decided to study up and educate myself about it.
I've heard the saying "women & children first" being bandied around as how feminism wants men to sacrifice themselves for the sake of a woman. However, it is interesting to realise where it came from - it is called the "Birkenhead Drill" and was adopted in 1860 as a formal order - by MEN themselves. It is an example of how patriarchy harms men too.
You start off by sayign feminism is about tearing down gender to help BOTH genders stereotypes then you turn around and say that feminism shouldn't try to be male concious casue MRAs dont' want to help women...which is BULLSHIT!
There are MULTITUDES of concious MRAs! You jsut don't know what they're like so you assume they're as SEKLFISH and COLD and HEARTLESS as feminists are!
However well established the science behind the biological drivers of gender roles is, it simply doesn't follow that in the 21st century we should equip society with any stardards dictating any person to try and be a "proper representative of his/her biological sex." People still vary as to how many of these ideals they personally accept, and some of them may not give a fuck about their biological sex much at all. They don't need to.
i agree with you for the most part,but you're wrong when you say that feminists are trying to tear down stereotypes because they still want men to pay for dates,they think all men are criminals and they think all women are angels
@FeministNation If that is the case then why has the feminist movement not said anything about Sharon Osbourne and the talk making fun of male genital mutilation? If it was equal. Her man hating ass would be kicked off that show and never work in television again. Oh let's also start pushing for female life sentences and execution for women who commit murder.
@norxcontacts Deep down nobody wants equality. We don't want to be treated like everybody else. We want to be treated BETTER than everybody else. We don't want the same job/house/car as everybody else we want the one that is better than everybody else.
Have you ever considered the fact that millions of years of evolution have led to the "gender roles", and thus their very abolition would lead to an societal collapse?
PEOPLE: FOR F*CK SAKE, WE HAVE THESE ROLES FOR A REASON. call them whatever the hell you want, but babies have to be born, and someone has to feed them, so get the fuck over it. if you have to stay home because your baby needs to be cared for, thats a good thing, and MAYBE, it makes MORE sense for the woman to do the "traditional" role of cooking, because her husband is out at work all day providing for his family.
@ILoveIslamInCanada Ok lady, then stay at home and cook foods all day long. Noone forces u to work or anything. But it is none of ur business when it comes to other females. And as a muslim chick, u should not use rude words like "f*ck" ;).
International women's day used to be "International WORKING women's day" and was first celebrated by communists in the USSR, Working as in "workers of the world unite". The day was later promoted through communist labor unions.
Probably was never taught that by your Left-wing UNION teachers in school? Just saying look stuff up, think for yourself, don't become someone who's values emulate that of Hollywood celebrities.
That being said there are a few cases where super athletic women out perform men and deserve physical work more. It's nutsl tho to not acknowledge that men and women are different, and that it's biologically based. Dont listen to those nut jobs with a leftist agenda, just observe how life works and you will see, what I am saying is infact true.
All in all be a free thinker and don't just regurgitate the Ideas that the far left tells you!
Girl in video: Please do not be mislead by Liberal media/education
Gender is real, men and women clearly have different talents and temperaments and if you can't acknowledge this you can't acknowledge life itself.
Equality is not desirable, judging people based on merit is, and standards should not be lowered for women and women shouldn't have affirmative action. Yes this would mean less women firefighters being replaced with stronger/more capable men.
I understood what she is talking about. And I agree that feminism does try to work to get rid of stereotypes within our culture, which is a good thing, since most stereotypes are not true in real life. This is actually a pretty good video that explains why we have double standards.
As for the comment of women holding the top positions. You haven't been working in the real world for long. I however have and what I've observed is women taking off far more time from work then men. Women take far more sick days, maternity leave, leave for hysterectomies, and any other number of female problems. However us men have to work overtime to cover for them, we have to constantly pick up the slack for all the excuses they can't be at work.
Men aren't weak. Look at the animal kingdom. No one jacks with the male lion. The lioness backs down every time when he comes in to feed or expresses the need she get out of his way. The reason a man has to act vulnerable these days is because if he even smells like a man that will stand up for himself he'll be hauled off the jail. Men have been neutered and turned into sissies because they've been denied the right to act as a man would in nature.
@ThaneDoorin She hunts because she has to eat. And yet the pride is held together by the male lion who will fight to the death to protect his pride and young. You won't find a lioness doing that as she will back down the second she senses she's over matched. The male lion is the one that lays the smack down on anyone that gets in the way of his pride, he's the one that will finish off an animal that doesn't want to go down as he is the biggest and strongest.
Ah, another apologist for feminism!! What are u upto, missy? Are you trying to say that those lousy females should continue doing this again and again until these GENDER STREOTYPES you talk abt. dissappear from the lovely planet Earth?
Feminism is a hate group, they never fought for the man, never brought up their discriminations to the media, to the courts, or to the work place. Instead, feminism has supported man hating and bashing on almost every part of society, this is why men are pouring into the MRA, because they know they have to stop what is happening, men are not viewed as human beings, they are viewed as human doers, disposable if not useful. This is what is being tought now to children as young as 6. Feminist=Nazi.
I believe that most women do not want equality with men - they want fairness. Equality between the genders does not work. For example, as a male I cannot join the women's softball team - only because I am male; that is certainly not equal treatment. And next time a husband and wife hear a strange noise downstairs at night, let's see if it's the wife who goes and checks it out.
... Please don't see us men as wrongly constructed to dominate and aggress, that's far from the whole pic. Men aren't dominators in society, that's just appearances. They are most of congressmen, but also almost 100% of garbage guys and all other things we don't put women to. And no one is seeking equality for the worst men get have u seen that? Women should spend the day smelling trash? Be OBLIGATED to go to war? Men raised with same protection hadn't done bunch of what we got. Take care, Al.
forget all that... I'll start believing in honest feminism and equality when my dates start insisting to pick up the check from time to time.
Equality I have no problem with.
We have physical standards for soldiers. If a woman wants to join up? She should have to meet those standards. Not a separate female one. After all, if the lower standard for femmes is good enough to be a solider, it should be good enough for a man too, but isn't.
... and ignore men and women are equally violent and women kill children 2x more. We have been seen so much propaganda about how bad they are, that we say these things. Se, among numberless examples, the MIke Tyson's rape case: everyone recognized men as potential rapists! But the 2 volunteer firefighters who died saving the jury in the hotel fire didn't make us acknowlege how men are prepared to die for others. Volunteer firefighter! We need more a better eye to see men then uniformize gender..
sacrificed men and women in the past with these roles. As for men you know they have been sent to holocaust in every war, for instance. HBO made a documentary about how men or women (/watch?v=KaX-pvae4gw) who come back from the war. Men are obligued to sign for that. The problem is not with teaching them to be strong, is with teaching them to suck up their feelings, make them disposable, then saying they are the problem. We demonize men. Ex.: we think of them as domestic violence perpetrators...
Sis, having a "good men project" is already a sign that there is a problem with the way we see men, not with men in-mass for taking the roles we put down their baby's throats. We don't have a "good women project". The traditional demandings put pressure on men and feminism has released women from traditional roles, but we haven't freed men, that's part of it. But there's a lot more making men and boys suffer. We learned to see the shadow side of men and bright side of women, after we have...
@mohann2007 Paul Elam asked the "good men project" a very good question...
He asked them "can you tell me ONE thing that differentiates a 'good man' from a good human or good woman?"
They couldn't answer, they just side-stepped the question entirely. He pointed out something very important, which is that society ONLY has a "real man" and "good man" expectation on men.
Men are the only ones who have extra responsibilities in order to qualify as a human being.
@AlekNovy Yes, I've seen that. It is truth, but people will wake up for that slowly, men don't feel it is dignifying to fight for themselves, they fight and die for the country, they fight fire in buildings to save women, elderly and children. People see men, doing traditional manly stuff or not, as worst then they really are. It's more a problem with the eye of the seer then with men, as I said to deathnightretard.
You are a young person and I'm sorry that you may have heard aggressive comments for saying that in a heated environment such as this discussion on the net. I didn't read them, just imagine.
I read the good men project article you used as basis. It is wrong. Feeling pain for being deprived of father's rights by Justice biast is not equal to being an alcoholic and not facing the problem with yourself. If he says the problem is with parental education, then the boy is the one to blame, how?
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@AlekNovy Correcting inequality in the workplace has allowed men who wish to be stay at home fathers the option of doing this. Correcting issues for women has, with the same brush, helped to correct issues of inequality for men.
And if MRAs want equality, why don't they do things to help women, hmm?
"And if MRAs want equality, why don't they do things to help women, hmm?"
MRAs have never lied this way. MRAs claim and only claim to care about correcting inequalities that impact men.
See, WE DONT GIVE A FUCK if feminists don't care about men. What we care about is that they keep LYING that they do, as a silencing tactic, as a way of silencing men speaking up about male issues.
@AlekNovy Truth. But I still feel bad to see how feminists don't care and they say WE men or MRAs don't care. Some ppl tell me it's not their fault, but I feel so disappointed, because I used to be a feminist and I cared. They don't, because they think from the premise that men are mostly oppressors and heartless. They're focused enough not to see. Men die more then the numbers of WWII and feminists are as sensitive to this as nazis were to jews and others.
What have shittier standards for the Army/Police/Navy/Fire Service. More quotas in business so subpar women can get into boardrooms. More favouritism when it comes to family court, continued belief of ANY accusation made by a woman against a man in regards domestic violence, rape and molestation of children.
@deathnightretard Which enables women to both have a child and peruse a career. The benefit to men is/was a secondary goal, if even that. Until they address issues such as men having shorter life spans, whilst the majority of gender specific health research is directed towards, e.g. breast cancer vs prostate cancer, or the men having to register for draft in order to vote, or slanted domestic violence laws, its absurd to claim that they work for equality.
@deathnightretard Unlike with the feminist movement, barely anyone has heard of MRAs. They get no media coverage at all. They are not in a position to help men, nor women.
@deathnightretard I'm sure there are MRAs that do things to help women but it can't be things in terms of law since law is already biased in favour of women...
@deathnightretard now i want gender equality and you get more labour in factories and wars too. i want equality when i go out on a date and let u pay ur half and not expect me 2 pay
I don't see woman as equals. Where in history have women exerted themselves as out equals? If they were so equal then men would not have dominated them throughout time. Equality is a fake concept and unmeasurable.
@MrJesusHitler Men are ignored from the health institutions:
watch?v=8Vx8ZzGuIkY
And here, feminist women openly saying "most of the workers are women, half of the managers are women, in the coming years we only get more, because men die faster than us":
watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4 (the feminist hate-speech will start after 2:34)
Feminists know that men are discriminated, they simply will increase this discrimination.
Thanks for your great thoughts. Feminism can mean different things to different people. I also hope men's rights and feminists can work together. I'm totally for your idea of feminism. I'm very much against the nightly news programs idea of feminism that sees men as less important. Instead of treating mans' and women's rights as separate subjects, we should focus on equality and fairness.
You're justifying the humor in the mutilation of a man by basically saying, 'He was stronger, this is the gory, real-life equivalent to slapstick...'
Bullshit...
The fact is, it happened... Whatever physical profile he held doesn't matter... A crime was committed... There is no double-standard for that... Just because he was bigger, doesn't mean he was any less susceptible to it... To think otherwise is wrong, and backwards...
I've been watching a few of these responses and I've realized that ALL of the women here say basically the same thing: "Stereotype that Men are strong and women are weak". If I were to interject, men and women are equally strong, but the double standards favor the women greatly. If you are saying that it is okay for a woman to do anything to a man and get away with it, then we are living in a sad, sad world...
@Audi134 Men are ignored from the health institutions:
watch?v=8Vx8ZzGuIkY
And here, feminist women openly saying "most of the workers are women, half of the managers are women, in the coming years we only get more, because men die faster than us":
watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4 (the feminist hate-speech will start after 2:34)
Feminists know that men are discriminated, they simply will increase this discrimination.
I agree but lets not be technical here we both know what I'm talking about feminist leave out when calculating the social power dynamic Mens' strong desire for women which in a nutshell drives the majority of Mens' action... You can't leave that out. Women don't spend the billions of dollars in the beauty industry just so they can get a complement from a man...It's an investment. I'm not mad at that I'm just mad about the level of dishonesty exhibited by women in these type of discussions
@ajw21778 Nobody should be mad simply because men and women get lucky, but there are many who don't understand that our roles in courtship are interchangeable. It's a little silly when somebody assumes that male sexuality is more powerful than female sexuality. There has to be a man, looking for a woman, for every woman, looking for a man, and vise versa.
@molluskscommawethe You are just denying reality for ideals... How many men you know are hanging the future prospects of there lives on marrying a rich woman then ask how many women are basing there life on marrying a rich guy. So CAN BE AND IS are two different things. Ask yourself why do successful men with pretty wives throughout history cheat with no so attractive women...Because like Bill Mahre said it's not about the best it's about new. That's not women inclination.
@molluskscommawethe You think that you need to believe that women and men are the same to make a case for equality... I am a humanist I believe in respecting and admiring the natural differences because i believe they wee made to compliment each other not compete. You don't look at a female lion and say it's the same as a male lion in order to say they both are amazing creatures. They are different and so are we.
@ajw21778 Men are ignored from the health institutions:
watch?v=8Vx8ZzGuIkY
And here, feminist women openly saying "most of the workers are women, half of the managers are women, in the coming years we only get more, because men die faster than us":
watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4 (the feminist hate-speech will start after 2:34)
Feminists know that men are discriminated, they simply will increase this discrimination.
@molluskscommawethe ask yourself this can an average guy nothing special about his physical appearance incise a woman to spend money or convenience him using his sexuality... NO...Maybe thru being clever and cunning....But an average woman does it all the time you think every chick in the club who gets free drinks is super hot...I doubt it...
@ajw21778 I don't personally know anybody who doesn't want to make their own living, but I agree with you in that each gender is a unique thing, and they shouldn't be judged against each other. It's inconsistencies I notice in certain myths of sexuality which leads me to believe that we have more in common, in this regard, than I was taught.
I hear you but, the men right's movement unlike feminism doesn't assert to be morally superior or to be completely vulnerable and no power within culture both things being blatantly false I think until both of these thing are address I can't take feminist seriously...Feminist must account for the power to choose who's genes will go into the future which gives women enormous power among other things in the social realm...
@molluskscommawethe An example I might understand? Given your own lack of understanding, that is rich. To put it in a form that you might understand: Feminism seeks ever more rights for women, whilst relieving them of responsibility. It seeks to marginalise men. It calls this 'equality'. It is a lie founded on deceit and deception. And where, pray, does widespread 'slut-shaming' occur? Given the number of women sleeping around nowadays as well as the men, your argument is irrelevant.
@bennyboy133 Wow! I was super marginalized when I expected the same out of women as I expect of myself. The feminism conspiracy did it! I had no idea that I hated and wished to destroy myself until you laid it all down for me. Thank you for freeing me! I'd better form a committee right away, so we can get back to hitting people that we disagree with (even if they're women!) Because I now believe that chivalry is only being kept alive by the multitudes of feminists who hate chivalry.
@bennyboy133 Oh, and the answer to your question is "everywhere." I don't know where you went to school, but many people don't have the same expectations for women as they do for men. It's actually worse outside of the US!
@molluskscommawethe To claim that the feminist position of women as an oppressed class solely on the basis of the general use of the term 'slut' is a very weak argument. And women apply that term to other women just as much as men do, so to say it's sexist is nonsense, or at least sexism wholly formulated by men. You are picking a single sociological factor and presenting it as evidence of the 'patriarchy'. That, my friend, is ridiculous.
@bennyboy133 I'm obviously not making an entire argument for feminism in that one notion; just an example which you might understand, and one which contradicts its proposed "worthlessness". Slut-shaming is oppressive to women whether or not a woman is being called a slut by men or other women, so long as this only applies to women. Again, I have to emphasize that feminists don't hate men. Heterosexual female feminists LOVE men, just not the types who would call them sluts.
@molluskscommawethe You give yourself too much credit by far. You have proved nothing whatsoever, other than that you have failed completely to understand anything that I have said. And what 'bizarre reset' are you talking about? I picked up on something you yourself said and expanded upon it. Your arguments are like those of all feminists; empty rhetoric, solipsistic sophistry and full of logical phallacies. You twist the truth, disregard facts and make claims that you cannot back-up.
@bennyboy133 Them point out in your last argument where you explained that making the distinction between who is a slut and who isn't is not valid, because that certainly falls under "any validity". The only argument you're using is crime bias, and that's already been stated to be a chivalric quality, which has already been separated from feminist philosophy, to our agreement. It's kind of ridiculous that your tone suddenly has suddenly changed to before we made these distinctions.
@molluskscommawethe Feminism no longer has any validity. Western women are now the most privileged population (as distinct from ruling classes) ever to have existed, enjoying rights (minus the concomitant responsibilities) and protections that no other population - male, female or both - has ever enjoyed in the whole of human history. Yet feminism keeps up the pretence that women in the west are oppressed...makes you wonder what thier true agenda is...
@bennyboy133 I proved that chivalry is the source of your complaints, that feminism isn't chivalry, and that feminists still have wonderfully valid things to fight. None of these were addressed in this bizarre reset. Are you starting a new argument or something?
@molluskscommawethe I agree that most feminists dislike chivalry - no argument there. However, when a woman receives a lighter sentence (or is let off) than a man for the same crime, it is chivalry in action - and feminists remain silent. when chivalry works in their favour, they remain silent - but will decry it the rest of the time. as for proof of non-feminists disliking chivalry - check out pinegrove33's or fidelbogen's channels. Both very anti-feminist and very anti-chivalry.
@bennyboy133 Three is nice, but I'm speaking on the broadest scale. Judging by the amount of support feminists have here, it's fair to say that they are not a majority of the population. Chivalry is your complete enemy, and the fact that certain people who consider themselves feminists also use chivalry does not speak for the feminist movement. So long as problems persist so simple as "a woman is a slut, but a man isn't", feminism will have validity (here, and everywhere else.)
@bennyboy133 I am not anti-feminist, but I do see what you are saying. That is once again due to gender stereotypes. It creates a double standard with men and women and this hurts both genders when this happens.
@molluskscommawethe My point is that feminists rely on the chivalry which is too ready to believe that women are only victims, or that they are less culpable when not. You're right, I am anti-feminist. Because I believe in equal opportunities, not equality of outcome. I believe in treating all adults as adults, with equal agency and culpability under the law, and equal punishment for equal crimes. I believe in innocent-until-proved-guilty. I believe in equal rights and equal responsibilities.
@molluskscommawethe Well, it certainly isn't a patriarchal society anymore (I still refute that there was ever such things as a 'patriarchy') - it's a matriarchal one. Try being a man and getting equal custody of your children now. Try defending yourself against a female partner's violence and see who gets arrested.
@bennyboy133@bennyboy133 It's good for you to not be amongst the anti-feminists who have no data, but aggression ratios have never really been related to my arguments (only why they are perceived in such a way as they are within society.) Getting back to this - you said that chivalry isn't related to this bias, by virtue of it being a thing that certain "feminists" use to leverage some bizarre rationalization of female violence, but as I've stated, this is a logical fallacy.
@bennyboy133 Chivalry's values parallel the discomforts you are listing, but chivalry is still not a morality who's support is unanimously female, or even closely so (chivalry also happens to be a major turn-off for the vast majority of feminists, if you haven't already guessed.) You'll likely need to prove to me that non-feminists do not support or condone chivalry, or that chivalry parallels the philosophy that women can and should be able to do whatever a man would want to do.
@molluskscommawethe Data-less? Au contraire. I have just sent you a private message with a number of links; I put them in a PM as the character limit here on the comments are far too short. The links themselves are but the tip of an iceberg that I am trying to put together.
@molluskscommawethe Patriarchal society? No such thing, never was. It's a feminist construct, a lie told in order to justify what can be some pretty extreme views. What ego do you mean?
As for women and men being able to sleep around with equal abandon; you're right.. They can, and do, both sexes. I cannot help but get the impression that you disdain men who do this (pseudo-masculinity etc) but actively support women doing so. Just the impression I get, it might be wrong...
@bennyboy133 For it to not be patriarchal, there needs to be as much female perspective as male.
Also, no; I don not see male promiscuity as a problem, nor do I see female promiscuity as a problem. I see a problem when male promiscuity is considered more normal than the same females. The word "slut" does not have any real equivalence in males.
@molluskscommawethe (last bit, I promise)...by shouting down anyone who calls it into question. There are videos here on youtube of Erin Pizzey saying that she has been threatened by feminists seeking to portray women as victims only. Seriously, look it up. Feminism is not about equality, it hasn't been for a long time. Once it was, but not any more. Seriously, man, cast about and do a bit of research; the well has long been poisoned.
@bennyboy133 Your logic would assume that some bad apples in the Black Panther Party caused the African American civil rights movement to not exist. Seriously. Are you telling me that my ideology is something different than it is while there are a few extremists you can point at who don't share my ideology? If domestic violence statistics are false, then where are the real statistics? What do you have to speak on other than an data-less opinion?
@molluskscommawethe ...there are far too many examples of female-on-male violence being made light of or even celebrated. Where are the feminists to speak out against this? Nowhere. Erin Pizzey herself has said that shelters are needed for battered husbands - but they will NOT get any government funding, because of the false DV stats bandied around by the feminist lobby. Feminism in this respect DEPENDS upon chivalry, and deliberately tries to suppress evidence of female violence....cont'd..
@molluskscommawethe I haven't said that the problem of female-on-male violence not being taken seriously is a reuslt of feminism; I just have yet to hear any feminist call for a re-examination of our attitudes towards it. On the contrary; those Swedish girls with their SCUM video promoting the murder of men (an extreme example); the girl in the UK let off for glassing a man for smiling at her; Sharon Osborne's delight at a woman cutting her unconscious husband's penis off..cont'd..
@molluskscommawethe And as for my 'going on about sexual conquests' you have again missed the point entirely. My point is that men were historically admired for bedding a lot of women because it was seen as a conquest, in the same way that a woman who harms a man IS STILL celebrated for 'conquering' a man. And no, I wasn't 'addressing the women who conquered those men' because nobody saw it that way. Get over yourself; I did not invent historic cultural biases. Wind your neck in.
@bennyboy133 Chivalry is the source of the violence bias, though it makes the accusation of violence such a grievous insult to the character of a male perpetrator that it is often ignored without serious evidence. Similarly, a male partner who is beat by his female partner is also ignored, because men aren't expected to sustain physical abuse from females. You aren't looking at a problem caused by feminism, which does NOT celebrate violence against the male gender.
@bennyboy133 The ego which has been built up by centuries of patriarchal society (and perhaps muscle mass) is so often contradictory to the values of its written manliness. Any heterosexual male cannot pursue multiple sexual partners without any heterosexual female also pursuing multiple sexual partners (unless the conquest is rape.)
It's rather careless to assume that this pseudo-masculinity is anything but very alive in modern society.
@molluskscommawethe I think you may have missed my point. I agree that nobody should hit anyone, a woman who hits a man will invariably be let off. There was a case in the UK where a judge let a woman go after she glassed a guy for smiling at her. It seems that women are often viewed as being less culpable in the eyes of the law. So a man defending himself from attack may find himself being prosecuted for doing so, which is crazy.
Men have been told that there is no strength in crying and women have been told that there is no strength in being mothers and care givers. We have all been lied to. Women seem to realize that men have been lied to but don't seem to realize that they are also being lied to about where their power lays. In WWII a few women probably could have brought a battle to a halt but could they do it now? No, beause they have been stripped of their power by feminism.
Let me get something straight, here. Feminism is about the plights of women. Feminism is NOT about sexism as a whole. There's plenty of room for a masculinism movement, but do you know why you never really hear about one? Because we men are pretty damn comfortable with our lot in life. If there are any clear indications that women are UNcomfortable with their lives in our human society, than what kind of person are you to say all this is absolutely untrue without any perspective of being female?
men are strong, wemon are not. in every culture and country, men are less likely to cry. get over it and move on.... geez -.- its not nogoshable this has nothing to do with the cultures In the USA because its near the same everywhere so get your facts straight
um... actually hes right. time and time again i've been scrutinized for even defending the "man" how is that equal. If i were to attack a women the way men are constantly attacked as womanizers and so on and so forth you can't honestly say in your heart that they would be seen the same. Face it which would a teacher stop more quickly? a man arguing against a woman who hasnt said anything. or a woman doing the same. none of this that you're saying is true.
@AnayaMEric You're acting like accusations are an offense. If you don't fit the accusation, then you're innocent and shouldn't be bothered by them. Feminists aren't man-haters. Heterosexual female feminists LOVE men, just like heterosexual male feminists LOVE women. Feminism isn't a movement to create a matriarchy, but it is a movement to shine light on certain places which deserve accusation and scrutiny.
Good for you, If people like you move into the feminist organizations and boot out the ancient man hating evil dykes that run those entities, MRA's and Feminists might someday be able to work together and get this mess straightened out. For the time being however those organizations are basically hate groups that try to extract wealth and power from society and push men further into the lower disposable class. Until they improve, those organizations are the enemy of anyone with a objective mind
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What I want to know is... why was this video made in the first place?
We all know what gender stereotypes and the particular stereotypes that are in place today, what's your point?
BeastLordofMetal 20 hours ago
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BeastLordofMetal 20 hours ago
well said deathnightretard, I cant see why this vid has been disliked so much. you spoke as a person and not as a women or a man.
viperr000007 20 hours ago
Dumb Cunt
DXFan1269 21 hours ago
I cant understand why this video has been downvoted...what you say makes perfect sense to me, and it's entirely correct. I think the reason you have been downvoted is because you (rightly) defend feminism, and say that feminists and MRA's should get together and bring down something which is bad for them both...however it reveals the men's rights movement for what it is...anti-feminist. Not pro-men.
misterparadise89 1 day ago
@misterparadise89 I think your respons is a good indicator of why people are voting this down. The men's right movement is NOT an anti-feminist movement, the same way the feminist movement (depending on your definition, but ill not go into that now) is not an anti-men's rights movement. But a lot of negative views do excist between the two groups from what I have seen, and your statement doesnt rly help to promote equal rights for both sexes :P
Llewellyn124 22 hours ago
@misterparadise89 I agree, it doesnt make sense. I suppose people are too lazy to listen. She's simply explaining why this double standard exists, not saying its right. As far as feminism and "Men's rights" (whatever the fuck that is), lets not muddy the water. Neither of these groups should exist. The top comment is right, women DO get special privilege, and as long as there are "feminists" out there throwing a fuss and ruining everyone's day, they always will. Lets all just shut the fuck up
rocier 21 hours ago
Modern technology with its labor-saving devices (created and maintained by men) have given women the delusion of power. "I can do anything!" Fact is, they can't. Oh, they're powerful enough when talking or tapping on a keyboard is concerned, but just wait until the car stops running or the garbage disposal is on the fritz. Just wait until something heavy needs moving or there's a sidewalk to be broken up. Then it's "Oh, poor me, is there a big, strong man to do this for me (blink, blink)."
warwolfii 1 day ago
feminists never care about inequality when it's in their favour, and you know that well
TheAndron55 1 day ago 4
Wow, you are smarter than any other famous feminist I have ever heard speak. Way to critically think about the larger picture and the value of getting down to fundamentals. It is so sad when you see advocates of feminine or male issues not seeing the double sided coin, and just working together for the greater good of both genders.
seshoki 2 days ago
You instantly portrayed the woman as being the victim of a male.., when infact she can be a victim of her own stupidity and our thoughts go instantly to the concern for her well being. Whereas a male who falls victim to his own stupidity is usually laughed at in the less serious matters.., even in some serious matters
mysty0 2 days ago
So what you are saying that wimen are depressed in the modern community? I deeply disagree with that, if you look at a modern day society you can see that in a lot of relationships the power in the relationship is splitted 50/50. I am not saying that all relationships are like that but a lot of modern relationships are like that now.
And the part about when a boy cries, the father tells him to man up and stop crying. I have never seen anyone talk to their crying child like that.
WeTalkAboutTech 2 days ago
It's sexist to be nice to women BECAUSE they are women.
- Fact.
LabratTremulous 3 days ago 2
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LabratTremulous 3 days ago
Okay so lets say I go ahead and rape a bodybuilding female (keeping in note I am 14 and not in top shape) this would be a laughable offence?
Oh hey I raped this strong chick.
Ahahahaha that's funny dude, cuz she was strong and you were weak.
Yeah I know right.
High-five you go boy!
LabratTremulous 3 days ago 15
@LabratTremulous that would indeed be a funny story... but i fear she'd kill you afterwards... oh dear, that is a funny picture xD
Oh, btw: I do racist and discriminating jokes; about everyone. The problem is that people take insult of it. I don't see a big differ between people as groups in big scale, but i see differ in individual qualities, but i do know history, and because of this i make jokes based on what i know: Look at Gabriel Iglesias, he is super funny, does racist :)
BaronBuddy 3 hours ago
Hot accent. ;)
AcidGuitarPlanet 3 days ago
gorgeous,intelligent and well-spoken. very very good :)
bobbyeph 3 days ago
Feminism is flawed for the same reasons that Masculism is flawed.
Humanism will suffice until the aliens land, and then we'll have to do better once again...
Also, lets stop pretending that physical strength is not a factor in the language we are using. It is, and it is also important for our monkey brains to cope with this modern society we have created. To see how, watch how a group of men treat each other, with respect to the skinny and the strong. Weakness is ingrained in ALL animals.
MARTIN0641 3 days ago
Men are strong. Women are weak. Feminism didn't change this at all.
terryshiavoftw 3 days ago
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whatisahumans 3 days ago
I've always slept on my stomach since I was a kid. Nothing is getting near my family jewels.
WillGotti 4 days ago
Stupid Cunt
AMlTYAFFLICTlON 4 days ago
All I see in this video is you just reinforcing gender stereotypes. Good job.
BobButtins 4 days ago
you won me over...in part. while i agree with the second half of your video (about gender stereotpyes hurting everyone) i DONT agree with you assertion that it is even understandable to laugh at men where they have been debased and made to be utterly vulnerable.
it is wrong. mutilation and torture of a fellow human being is wrong. inflicting horror, fear and shame upon a fellow human being is wrong. unequivocally.
drewma09 4 days ago
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drewma09 4 days ago
The problem with this vid is that you suppose it's just one theory. When Lorena Bobbit cut off her husband's penis they hated him because of her reasons. It's just too conveniant that everytime there is obliviousness towards violence towards men, it's because of men. One woman on the crap 'Talk' show stated that she has thought of castrating her husband too. When it's okay for a woman to say that, is that really, in and of itself, the fault of stereotyping. I'd blame that on pathos.
NeverAloneForever 4 days ago
It's funny he wasn't able to protect himself while he was asleep and some psycho bitch cut his penis off. Yea that is sooooo hilarious. You have any idea the physical pain he must have endured. Lets not also forget the emotionally pain he will feel for the rest of his life. He won't ever be able to have sex again for starters but he is now robbed of his manhood. You make me sick!
TheMightykaz 4 days ago
It's not weak to be mutilated while you sleep. It could even happen to Chuck Norris. Just try and call him weak, he'll fucking do it to you when you're wide awake and have a loaded shotgun ready.
Clembo 4 days ago
Well spoken, you seem the kind of 'reasonable' and non biased person the feminist movement needs, instead of bashing men while still wanting all their privileges and still going for men who earn a high wage, a nice car, and have loads of confidence. But as it stands, the feminist act want to have their cake and eat it too, and if they keep doing that, men will still treat them like shit and not take them seriously. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.
Muskateering 4 days ago
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Muskateering 4 days ago
Stopped 2 seconds in point is not funny to laugh now as it wouldnt be funny with circumstances reveresed now stfu and stop trying to make it more than it is.
XxMarkTheSharkxX 5 days ago
you hit the nail on the head for a big part of this, but like many others have stated, much of the feminist movement wants more rights for women without taking away their special privileges.
sirhelmet 6 days ago
Gender bias? Why arent women fighting to be trash collectors. Theyre just as strong as men right? Just as capable and should get paid equally right?
1cambiamos 6 days ago
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What feminism seems to want to do is free women from their patriarchal obligations to society and to men, while holding men to their patriarchal obligations--utility, provision, protection and disposability, all for the benefit of women.
Feminism is two-faced. It wants to keep male gender roles intact for the benefit of women.
TruthandJustice101 6 days ago
Too long, did not listen
ThoseWhoHaveFallen97 6 days ago
Very interesting. I was vehemently against feminism until not long ago. However, I decided to study up and educate myself about it.
I've heard the saying "women & children first" being bandied around as how feminism wants men to sacrifice themselves for the sake of a woman. However, it is interesting to realise where it came from - it is called the "Birkenhead Drill" and was adopted in 1860 as a formal order - by MEN themselves. It is an example of how patriarchy harms men too.
rbhu7 6 days ago
@rbhu7 "I was vehemently against feminism until not long ago."
Yeah right.
wereaux 6 days ago
@wereaux what is that supposed to mean? Explain. and I shall do likewise.
rbhu7 6 days ago
Not sure why this got so many dislikes. You're speaking truth, men cry the trick is knowing when it's appropriate and when it gets in the way.
navymexican 1 week ago
Bitch shut the fuck up he was asleep how could he defend himself you are a sick person
HeyitsRjbitch 1 week ago
@HeyitsRjbitch Dude, she was explaining that mentality as the problem, not espousing it herself...
Saerain 1 week ago
Jesus the guy was asleep..it's not like she came at him with scissors in hand stating i'm cutting off your penis.
bawniey 1 week ago
why so many downvotes? she raises good points
im a man btw
partisan49 1 week ago
You start off by sayign feminism is about tearing down gender to help BOTH genders stereotypes then you turn around and say that feminism shouldn't try to be male concious casue MRAs dont' want to help women...which is BULLSHIT!
There are MULTITUDES of concious MRAs! You jsut don't know what they're like so you assume they're as SEKLFISH and COLD and HEARTLESS as feminists are!
(Which is simply NOT the case.)
J0k3r4U 1 week ago
Voice of reason and intelligent debate BECAUSE she from a country where people get a batter quality education
funstopper420 1 week ago
@funstopper420 *better*
CrazyEpicReviews 1 week ago
However well established the science behind the biological drivers of gender roles is, it simply doesn't follow that in the 21st century we should equip society with any stardards dictating any person to try and be a "proper representative of his/her biological sex." People still vary as to how many of these ideals they personally accept, and some of them may not give a fuck about their biological sex much at all. They don't need to.
Just "let people do" as they please.
Hirvassalo 1 week ago
And scientifically proven.
1337masternazi 1 week ago
Its a fact that they are weak...
1337masternazi 1 week ago
Women are weak is not a stereotype LOL
1337masternazi 1 week ago
i agree with you for the most part,but you're wrong when you say that feminists are trying to tear down stereotypes because they still want men to pay for dates,they think all men are criminals and they think all women are angels
TrueBlueCanuck 1 week ago
Women don't want equality, they want special privileges.
norxcontacts 1 week ago 69
@norxcontacts True story.
deadfishy666 1 week ago
@norxcontacts Special Privleges = Inequality... EQUALITY IS KEY!!!! FIGHT FOR EQUALITY
FeministNation 3 days ago
@FeministNation Stop calling yourself a Feminist then. The very term is sexist.
BeestOfSpood 2 days ago 3
@FeministNation If that is the case then why has the feminist movement not said anything about Sharon Osbourne and the talk making fun of male genital mutilation? If it was equal. Her man hating ass would be kicked off that show and never work in television again. Oh let's also start pushing for female life sentences and execution for women who commit murder.
TheMightykaz 21 hours ago
@norxcontacts Deep down nobody wants equality. We don't want to be treated like everybody else. We want to be treated BETTER than everybody else. We don't want the same job/house/car as everybody else we want the one that is better than everybody else.
cartoonglutton326 1 day ago
Have you ever considered the fact that millions of years of evolution have led to the "gender roles", and thus their very abolition would lead to an societal collapse?
ImperialGeorge 1 week ago
@ImperialGeorge
THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU
PEOPLE: FOR F*CK SAKE, WE HAVE THESE ROLES FOR A REASON. call them whatever the hell you want, but babies have to be born, and someone has to feed them, so get the fuck over it. if you have to stay home because your baby needs to be cared for, thats a good thing, and MAYBE, it makes MORE sense for the woman to do the "traditional" role of cooking, because her husband is out at work all day providing for his family.
ILoveIslamInCanada 1 week ago
@ILoveIslamInCanada Ok lady, then stay at home and cook foods all day long. Noone forces u to work or anything. But it is none of ur business when it comes to other females. And as a muslim chick, u should not use rude words like "f*ck" ;).
ReturnoftheJediVI 1 week ago
I may be hardcore ranting but bear with me.
International women's day used to be "International WORKING women's day" and was first celebrated by communists in the USSR, Working as in "workers of the world unite". The day was later promoted through communist labor unions.
Probably was never taught that by your Left-wing UNION teachers in school? Just saying look stuff up, think for yourself, don't become someone who's values emulate that of Hollywood celebrities.
God bless :)
Jamespot24 1 week ago
That being said there are a few cases where super athletic women out perform men and deserve physical work more. It's nutsl tho to not acknowledge that men and women are different, and that it's biologically based. Dont listen to those nut jobs with a leftist agenda, just observe how life works and you will see, what I am saying is infact true.
All in all be a free thinker and don't just regurgitate the Ideas that the far left tells you!
Jamespot24 1 week ago
Girl in video: Please do not be mislead by Liberal media/education
Gender is real, men and women clearly have different talents and temperaments and if you can't acknowledge this you can't acknowledge life itself.
Equality is not desirable, judging people based on merit is, and standards should not be lowered for women and women shouldn't have affirmative action. Yes this would mean less women firefighters being replaced with stronger/more capable men.
Just sayin acknowledge life!
Jamespot24 1 week ago
I understood what she is talking about. And I agree that feminism does try to work to get rid of stereotypes within our culture, which is a good thing, since most stereotypes are not true in real life. This is actually a pretty good video that explains why we have double standards.
BloomingFireHeart 1 week ago
As for the comment of women holding the top positions. You haven't been working in the real world for long. I however have and what I've observed is women taking off far more time from work then men. Women take far more sick days, maternity leave, leave for hysterectomies, and any other number of female problems. However us men have to work overtime to cover for them, we have to constantly pick up the slack for all the excuses they can't be at work.
toowaker37 1 week ago
All feminists are ugly and freaks.
SpiritJaivyn 1 week ago
Men aren't weak. Look at the animal kingdom. No one jacks with the male lion. The lioness backs down every time when he comes in to feed or expresses the need she get out of his way. The reason a man has to act vulnerable these days is because if he even smells like a man that will stand up for himself he'll be hauled off the jail. Men have been neutered and turned into sissies because they've been denied the right to act as a man would in nature.
toowaker37 1 week ago
@toowaker37 The Lioness is the hunter.
ThaneDoorin 1 week ago
@ThaneDoorin She hunts because she has to eat. And yet the pride is held together by the male lion who will fight to the death to protect his pride and young. You won't find a lioness doing that as she will back down the second she senses she's over matched. The male lion is the one that lays the smack down on anyone that gets in the way of his pride, he's the one that will finish off an animal that doesn't want to go down as he is the biggest and strongest.
toowaker37 1 week ago
You idiot. This isn't just a double standard. Feminism was supposed to BE about women's rights, not degrading men.
wb5704 1 week ago
Ah, another apologist for feminism!! What are u upto, missy? Are you trying to say that those lousy females should continue doing this again and again until these GENDER STREOTYPES you talk abt. dissappear from the lovely planet Earth?
gkhinduatheist 1 week ago
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
aWhiteStorm 1 week ago
your voice instantly made me turn this off
tylernew24 1 week ago
i love it when 15 year olds think they know everything
2bornottoby 2 weeks ago
Feminism is a hate group, they never fought for the man, never brought up their discriminations to the media, to the courts, or to the work place. Instead, feminism has supported man hating and bashing on almost every part of society, this is why men are pouring into the MRA, because they know they have to stop what is happening, men are not viewed as human beings, they are viewed as human doers, disposable if not useful. This is what is being tought now to children as young as 6. Feminist=Nazi.
11220joe 2 weeks ago
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I believe that most women do not want equality with men - they want fairness. Equality between the genders does not work. For example, as a male I cannot join the women's softball team - only because I am male; that is certainly not equal treatment. And next time a husband and wife hear a strange noise downstairs at night, let's see if it's the wife who goes and checks it out.
broyomama 2 weeks ago
Anyone ever tell you that your forehead can be used as an IMAX screen?
BoyMonarch 2 weeks ago
... Please don't see us men as wrongly constructed to dominate and aggress, that's far from the whole pic. Men aren't dominators in society, that's just appearances. They are most of congressmen, but also almost 100% of garbage guys and all other things we don't put women to. And no one is seeking equality for the worst men get have u seen that? Women should spend the day smelling trash? Be OBLIGATED to go to war? Men raised with same protection hadn't done bunch of what we got. Take care, Al.
mohann2007 2 weeks ago
@mohann2007
forget all that... I'll start believing in honest feminism and equality when my dates start insisting to pick up the check from time to time.
Equality I have no problem with.
We have physical standards for soldiers. If a woman wants to join up? She should have to meet those standards. Not a separate female one. After all, if the lower standard for femmes is good enough to be a solider, it should be good enough for a man too, but isn't.
(not a solider, btw)
Smoovious 1 week ago
... and ignore men and women are equally violent and women kill children 2x more. We have been seen so much propaganda about how bad they are, that we say these things. Se, among numberless examples, the MIke Tyson's rape case: everyone recognized men as potential rapists! But the 2 volunteer firefighters who died saving the jury in the hotel fire didn't make us acknowlege how men are prepared to die for others. Volunteer firefighter! We need more a better eye to see men then uniformize gender..
mohann2007 2 weeks ago
sacrificed men and women in the past with these roles. As for men you know they have been sent to holocaust in every war, for instance. HBO made a documentary about how men or women (/watch?v=KaX-pvae4gw) who come back from the war. Men are obligued to sign for that. The problem is not with teaching them to be strong, is with teaching them to suck up their feelings, make them disposable, then saying they are the problem. We demonize men. Ex.: we think of them as domestic violence perpetrators...
mohann2007 2 weeks ago
Sis, having a "good men project" is already a sign that there is a problem with the way we see men, not with men in-mass for taking the roles we put down their baby's throats. We don't have a "good women project". The traditional demandings put pressure on men and feminism has released women from traditional roles, but we haven't freed men, that's part of it. But there's a lot more making men and boys suffer. We learned to see the shadow side of men and bright side of women, after we have...
mohann2007 2 weeks ago
@mohann2007 Paul Elam asked the "good men project" a very good question...
He asked them "can you tell me ONE thing that differentiates a 'good man' from a good human or good woman?"
They couldn't answer, they just side-stepped the question entirely. He pointed out something very important, which is that society ONLY has a "real man" and "good man" expectation on men.
Men are the only ones who have extra responsibilities in order to qualify as a human being.
AlekNovy 2 weeks ago
@AlekNovy Yes, I've seen that. It is truth, but people will wake up for that slowly, men don't feel it is dignifying to fight for themselves, they fight and die for the country, they fight fire in buildings to save women, elderly and children. People see men, doing traditional manly stuff or not, as worst then they really are. It's more a problem with the eye of the seer then with men, as I said to deathnightretard.
mohann2007 2 weeks ago
You are a young person and I'm sorry that you may have heard aggressive comments for saying that in a heated environment such as this discussion on the net. I didn't read them, just imagine.
I read the good men project article you used as basis. It is wrong. Feeling pain for being deprived of father's rights by Justice biast is not equal to being an alcoholic and not facing the problem with yourself. If he says the problem is with parental education, then the boy is the one to blame, how?
mohann2007 2 weeks ago
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Feminist: No no you got us wrong, we don't hate men. We want equality for EVERYONE!!!
MRA: Show me evidence of feminism ever correcting inequalities that hurt men in the favor of women
Feminist: OMG WTF? It's not our job to help men.
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True story :D
AlekNovy 2 weeks ago 53
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@AlekNovy Correcting inequality in the workplace has allowed men who wish to be stay at home fathers the option of doing this. Correcting issues for women has, with the same brush, helped to correct issues of inequality for men.
And if MRAs want equality, why don't they do things to help women, hmm?
deathnightretard 2 weeks ago
@deathnightretard
"And if MRAs want equality, why don't they do things to help women, hmm?"
MRAs have never lied this way. MRAs claim and only claim to care about correcting inequalities that impact men.
See, WE DONT GIVE A FUCK if feminists don't care about men. What we care about is that they keep LYING that they do, as a silencing tactic, as a way of silencing men speaking up about male issues.
AlekNovy 2 weeks ago
@AlekNovy Truth. But I still feel bad to see how feminists don't care and they say WE men or MRAs don't care. Some ppl tell me it's not their fault, but I feel so disappointed, because I used to be a feminist and I cared. They don't, because they think from the premise that men are mostly oppressors and heartless. They're focused enough not to see. Men die more then the numbers of WWII and feminists are as sensitive to this as nazis were to jews and others.
mohann2007 2 weeks ago
@deathnightretard Because everyone else is already doing it.
photoallergic 2 weeks ago
@deathnightretard why make another 'equality' group when feminism claims to be one already?
YaFatButch 2 weeks ago
@deathnightretard
Help women???? HELP WOMEN?
What have shittier standards for the Army/Police/Navy/Fire Service. More quotas in business so subpar women can get into boardrooms. More favouritism when it comes to family court, continued belief of ANY accusation made by a woman against a man in regards domestic violence, rape and molestation of children.
Want any more cunt?
Primordialfan1 2 weeks ago
@deathnightretard Which enables women to both have a child and peruse a career. The benefit to men is/was a secondary goal, if even that. Until they address issues such as men having shorter life spans, whilst the majority of gender specific health research is directed towards, e.g. breast cancer vs prostate cancer, or the men having to register for draft in order to vote, or slanted domestic violence laws, its absurd to claim that they work for equality.
qonf 1 week ago
@deathnightretard Unlike with the feminist movement, barely anyone has heard of MRAs. They get no media coverage at all. They are not in a position to help men, nor women.
qonf 1 week ago
@deathnightretard The MRA is not funded of recognized by the government, hence we cannot do anything to help women.
Manoffriendship 1 week ago
@deathnightretard I'm sure there are MRAs that do things to help women but it can't be things in terms of law since law is already biased in favour of women...
Understand?
J0k3r4U 1 week ago
@deathnightretard Why don't they do things to help women?
What would you have MRA's do to help women?
I want an answer.
Truth0rDeath 1 week ago
@deathnightretard now i want gender equality and you get more labour in factories and wars too. i want equality when i go out on a date and let u pay ur half and not expect me 2 pay
doctorshanab 4 days ago
@deathnightretard They're men's right's advocates.
NeverAloneForever 4 days ago
women are weaker than men and men are stronger.
wtf is so wrong with that? its biology, you twat
ILoveIslamInCanada 2 weeks ago
another product of feminism,,,, another messed up USA chick...
Colleges are FULL of them, and NON of them is HAPPY and pleasant nice your women,,,
no, ... they are ALL messed up, THINK LESS ABOUT "PROBLEMS" Looks for a good boyfriend and take it easy.
CommentMustBe 2 weeks ago
Your ugly.
skyvoc2000 2 weeks ago
I don't see woman as equals. Where in history have women exerted themselves as out equals? If they were so equal then men would not have dominated them throughout time. Equality is a fake concept and unmeasurable.
MrJesusHitler 2 weeks ago
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@MrJesusHitler Men are ignored from the health institutions:
watch?v=8Vx8ZzGuIkY
And here, feminist women openly saying "most of the workers are women, half of the managers are women, in the coming years we only get more, because men die faster than us":
watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4 (the feminist hate-speech will start after 2:34)
Feminists know that men are discriminated, they simply will increase this discrimination.
TwiztidcAsh 2 weeks ago
Thanks for your great thoughts. Feminism can mean different things to different people. I also hope men's rights and feminists can work together. I'm totally for your idea of feminism. I'm very much against the nightly news programs idea of feminism that sees men as less important. Instead of treating mans' and women's rights as separate subjects, we should focus on equality and fairness.
Mystefier 2 weeks ago
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You're justifying the humor in the mutilation of a man by basically saying, 'He was stronger, this is the gory, real-life equivalent to slapstick...'
Bullshit...
The fact is, it happened... Whatever physical profile he held doesn't matter... A crime was committed... There is no double-standard for that... Just because he was bigger, doesn't mean he was any less susceptible to it... To think otherwise is wrong, and backwards...
Irish0400 2 weeks ago
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Irish0400 2 weeks ago
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shut the fuck up, i cant believe i actually listened to ur crap. what do u know about man psych
Sam10947 2 weeks ago
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men > women...get that around ur head kido
Sam10947 2 weeks ago
I've been watching a few of these responses and I've realized that ALL of the women here say basically the same thing: "Stereotype that Men are strong and women are weak". If I were to interject, men and women are equally strong, but the double standards favor the women greatly. If you are saying that it is okay for a woman to do anything to a man and get away with it, then we are living in a sad, sad world...
Audi134 2 weeks ago
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@Audi134 Men are ignored from the health institutions:
watch?v=8Vx8ZzGuIkY
And here, feminist women openly saying "most of the workers are women, half of the managers are women, in the coming years we only get more, because men die faster than us":
watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4 (the feminist hate-speech will start after 2:34)
Feminists know that men are discriminated, they simply will increase this discrimination.
TwiztidcAsh 2 weeks ago
I agree but lets not be technical here we both know what I'm talking about feminist leave out when calculating the social power dynamic Mens' strong desire for women which in a nutshell drives the majority of Mens' action... You can't leave that out. Women don't spend the billions of dollars in the beauty industry just so they can get a complement from a man...It's an investment. I'm not mad at that I'm just mad about the level of dishonesty exhibited by women in these type of discussions
ajw21778 2 weeks ago
@ajw21778 Nobody should be mad simply because men and women get lucky, but there are many who don't understand that our roles in courtship are interchangeable. It's a little silly when somebody assumes that male sexuality is more powerful than female sexuality. There has to be a man, looking for a woman, for every woman, looking for a man, and vise versa.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe You are just denying reality for ideals... How many men you know are hanging the future prospects of there lives on marrying a rich woman then ask how many women are basing there life on marrying a rich guy. So CAN BE AND IS are two different things. Ask yourself why do successful men with pretty wives throughout history cheat with no so attractive women...Because like Bill Mahre said it's not about the best it's about new. That's not women inclination.
ajw21778 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe You think that you need to believe that women and men are the same to make a case for equality... I am a humanist I believe in respecting and admiring the natural differences because i believe they wee made to compliment each other not compete. You don't look at a female lion and say it's the same as a male lion in order to say they both are amazing creatures. They are different and so are we.
ajw21778 2 weeks ago
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@ajw21778 Men are ignored from the health institutions:
watch?v=8Vx8ZzGuIkY
And here, feminist women openly saying "most of the workers are women, half of the managers are women, in the coming years we only get more, because men die faster than us":
watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4 (the feminist hate-speech will start after 2:34)
Feminists know that men are discriminated, they simply will increase this discrimination.
TwiztidcAsh 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe ask yourself this can an average guy nothing special about his physical appearance incise a woman to spend money or convenience him using his sexuality... NO...Maybe thru being clever and cunning....But an average woman does it all the time you think every chick in the club who gets free drinks is super hot...I doubt it...
ajw21778 2 weeks ago
@ajw21778 I don't personally know anybody who doesn't want to make their own living, but I agree with you in that each gender is a unique thing, and they shouldn't be judged against each other. It's inconsistencies I notice in certain myths of sexuality which leads me to believe that we have more in common, in this regard, than I was taught.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
I hear you but, the men right's movement unlike feminism doesn't assert to be morally superior or to be completely vulnerable and no power within culture both things being blatantly false I think until both of these thing are address I can't take feminist seriously...Feminist must account for the power to choose who's genes will go into the future which gives women enormous power among other things in the social realm...
ajw21778 2 weeks ago
@ajw21778 I think it's a little strange to label human reproduction as anything less than a cooperation.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe An example I might understand? Given your own lack of understanding, that is rich. To put it in a form that you might understand: Feminism seeks ever more rights for women, whilst relieving them of responsibility. It seeks to marginalise men. It calls this 'equality'. It is a lie founded on deceit and deception. And where, pray, does widespread 'slut-shaming' occur? Given the number of women sleeping around nowadays as well as the men, your argument is irrelevant.
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@bennyboy133 Wow! I was super marginalized when I expected the same out of women as I expect of myself. The feminism conspiracy did it! I had no idea that I hated and wished to destroy myself until you laid it all down for me. Thank you for freeing me! I'd better form a committee right away, so we can get back to hitting people that we disagree with (even if they're women!) Because I now believe that chivalry is only being kept alive by the multitudes of feminists who hate chivalry.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
@bennyboy133 Oh, and the answer to your question is "everywhere." I don't know where you went to school, but many people don't have the same expectations for women as they do for men. It's actually worse outside of the US!
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
Mutilating someone without their consent is unethical. Period.
The coverage I saw of that story pissed me off.
I agree with this video entirely. Thank you. :)
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xXRoBeRtXHaYdNXx 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe To claim that the feminist position of women as an oppressed class solely on the basis of the general use of the term 'slut' is a very weak argument. And women apply that term to other women just as much as men do, so to say it's sexist is nonsense, or at least sexism wholly formulated by men. You are picking a single sociological factor and presenting it as evidence of the 'patriarchy'. That, my friend, is ridiculous.
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@bennyboy133 I'm obviously not making an entire argument for feminism in that one notion; just an example which you might understand, and one which contradicts its proposed "worthlessness". Slut-shaming is oppressive to women whether or not a woman is being called a slut by men or other women, so long as this only applies to women. Again, I have to emphasize that feminists don't hate men. Heterosexual female feminists LOVE men, just not the types who would call them sluts.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
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@bennyboy133 On that same note, I'd like to point out that slut-shaming is a result of chivalry, not men. Imagine that.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe You give yourself too much credit by far. You have proved nothing whatsoever, other than that you have failed completely to understand anything that I have said. And what 'bizarre reset' are you talking about? I picked up on something you yourself said and expanded upon it. Your arguments are like those of all feminists; empty rhetoric, solipsistic sophistry and full of logical phallacies. You twist the truth, disregard facts and make claims that you cannot back-up.
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@bennyboy133 Them point out in your last argument where you explained that making the distinction between who is a slut and who isn't is not valid, because that certainly falls under "any validity". The only argument you're using is crime bias, and that's already been stated to be a chivalric quality, which has already been separated from feminist philosophy, to our agreement. It's kind of ridiculous that your tone suddenly has suddenly changed to before we made these distinctions.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe Feminism no longer has any validity. Western women are now the most privileged population (as distinct from ruling classes) ever to have existed, enjoying rights (minus the concomitant responsibilities) and protections that no other population - male, female or both - has ever enjoyed in the whole of human history. Yet feminism keeps up the pretence that women in the west are oppressed...makes you wonder what thier true agenda is...
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@bennyboy133 I proved that chivalry is the source of your complaints, that feminism isn't chivalry, and that feminists still have wonderfully valid things to fight. None of these were addressed in this bizarre reset. Are you starting a new argument or something?
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@molluskscommawethe I agree that most feminists dislike chivalry - no argument there. However, when a woman receives a lighter sentence (or is let off) than a man for the same crime, it is chivalry in action - and feminists remain silent. when chivalry works in their favour, they remain silent - but will decry it the rest of the time. as for proof of non-feminists disliking chivalry - check out pinegrove33's or fidelbogen's channels. Both very anti-feminist and very anti-chivalry.
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago 9
@bennyboy133 Three is nice, but I'm speaking on the broadest scale. Judging by the amount of support feminists have here, it's fair to say that they are not a majority of the population. Chivalry is your complete enemy, and the fact that certain people who consider themselves feminists also use chivalry does not speak for the feminist movement. So long as problems persist so simple as "a woman is a slut, but a man isn't", feminism will have validity (here, and everywhere else.)
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
@bennyboy133 I am not anti-feminist, but I do see what you are saying. That is once again due to gender stereotypes. It creates a double standard with men and women and this hurts both genders when this happens.
BloomingFireHeart 1 week ago
@molluskscommawethe My point is that feminists rely on the chivalry which is too ready to believe that women are only victims, or that they are less culpable when not. You're right, I am anti-feminist. Because I believe in equal opportunities, not equality of outcome. I believe in treating all adults as adults, with equal agency and culpability under the law, and equal punishment for equal crimes. I believe in innocent-until-proved-guilty. I believe in equal rights and equal responsibilities.
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe Well, it certainly isn't a patriarchal society anymore (I still refute that there was ever such things as a 'patriarchy') - it's a matriarchal one. Try being a man and getting equal custody of your children now. Try defending yourself against a female partner's violence and see who gets arrested.
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@bennyboy133 @bennyboy133 It's good for you to not be amongst the anti-feminists who have no data, but aggression ratios have never really been related to my arguments (only why they are perceived in such a way as they are within society.) Getting back to this - you said that chivalry isn't related to this bias, by virtue of it being a thing that certain "feminists" use to leverage some bizarre rationalization of female violence, but as I've stated, this is a logical fallacy.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
@bennyboy133 Chivalry's values parallel the discomforts you are listing, but chivalry is still not a morality who's support is unanimously female, or even closely so (chivalry also happens to be a major turn-off for the vast majority of feminists, if you haven't already guessed.) You'll likely need to prove to me that non-feminists do not support or condone chivalry, or that chivalry parallels the philosophy that women can and should be able to do whatever a man would want to do.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe Data-less? Au contraire. I have just sent you a private message with a number of links; I put them in a PM as the character limit here on the comments are far too short. The links themselves are but the tip of an iceberg that I am trying to put together.
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe Patriarchal society? No such thing, never was. It's a feminist construct, a lie told in order to justify what can be some pretty extreme views. What ego do you mean?
As for women and men being able to sleep around with equal abandon; you're right.. They can, and do, both sexes. I cannot help but get the impression that you disdain men who do this (pseudo-masculinity etc) but actively support women doing so. Just the impression I get, it might be wrong...
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
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molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@bennyboy133 For it to not be patriarchal, there needs to be as much female perspective as male.
Also, no; I don not see male promiscuity as a problem, nor do I see female promiscuity as a problem. I see a problem when male promiscuity is considered more normal than the same females. The word "slut" does not have any real equivalence in males.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@molluskscommawethe (last bit, I promise)...by shouting down anyone who calls it into question. There are videos here on youtube of Erin Pizzey saying that she has been threatened by feminists seeking to portray women as victims only. Seriously, look it up. Feminism is not about equality, it hasn't been for a long time. Once it was, but not any more. Seriously, man, cast about and do a bit of research; the well has long been poisoned.
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@bennyboy133 Your logic would assume that some bad apples in the Black Panther Party caused the African American civil rights movement to not exist. Seriously. Are you telling me that my ideology is something different than it is while there are a few extremists you can point at who don't share my ideology? If domestic violence statistics are false, then where are the real statistics? What do you have to speak on other than an data-less opinion?
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@molluskscommawethe ...there are far too many examples of female-on-male violence being made light of or even celebrated. Where are the feminists to speak out against this? Nowhere. Erin Pizzey herself has said that shelters are needed for battered husbands - but they will NOT get any government funding, because of the false DV stats bandied around by the feminist lobby. Feminism in this respect DEPENDS upon chivalry, and deliberately tries to suppress evidence of female violence....cont'd..
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe I haven't said that the problem of female-on-male violence not being taken seriously is a reuslt of feminism; I just have yet to hear any feminist call for a re-examination of our attitudes towards it. On the contrary; those Swedish girls with their SCUM video promoting the murder of men (an extreme example); the girl in the UK let off for glassing a man for smiling at her; Sharon Osborne's delight at a woman cutting her unconscious husband's penis off..cont'd..
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@molluskscommawethe And as for my 'going on about sexual conquests' you have again missed the point entirely. My point is that men were historically admired for bedding a lot of women because it was seen as a conquest, in the same way that a woman who harms a man IS STILL celebrated for 'conquering' a man. And no, I wasn't 'addressing the women who conquered those men' because nobody saw it that way. Get over yourself; I did not invent historic cultural biases. Wind your neck in.
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
@bennyboy133 Chivalry is the source of the violence bias, though it makes the accusation of violence such a grievous insult to the character of a male perpetrator that it is often ignored without serious evidence. Similarly, a male partner who is beat by his female partner is also ignored, because men aren't expected to sustain physical abuse from females. You aren't looking at a problem caused by feminism, which does NOT celebrate violence against the male gender.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@bennyboy133 The ego which has been built up by centuries of patriarchal society (and perhaps muscle mass) is so often contradictory to the values of its written manliness. Any heterosexual male cannot pursue multiple sexual partners without any heterosexual female also pursuing multiple sexual partners (unless the conquest is rape.)
It's rather careless to assume that this pseudo-masculinity is anything but very alive in modern society.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@molluskscommawethe I think you may have missed my point. I agree that nobody should hit anyone, a woman who hits a man will invariably be let off. There was a case in the UK where a judge let a woman go after she glassed a guy for smiling at her. It seems that women are often viewed as being less culpable in the eyes of the law. So a man defending himself from attack may find himself being prosecuted for doing so, which is crazy.
bennyboy133 2 weeks ago
Men have been told that there is no strength in crying and women have been told that there is no strength in being mothers and care givers. We have all been lied to. Women seem to realize that men have been lied to but don't seem to realize that they are also being lied to about where their power lays. In WWII a few women probably could have brought a battle to a halt but could they do it now? No, beause they have been stripped of their power by feminism.
GBiv78 2 weeks ago
Let me get something straight, here. Feminism is about the plights of women. Feminism is NOT about sexism as a whole. There's plenty of room for a masculinism movement, but do you know why you never really hear about one? Because we men are pretty damn comfortable with our lot in life. If there are any clear indications that women are UNcomfortable with their lives in our human society, than what kind of person are you to say all this is absolutely untrue without any perspective of being female?
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
You seem pretty smart for a ugly girl like your self.
Hetierd 2 weeks ago
@Hetierd You seem like you should fuck off.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
men are strong, wemon are not. in every culture and country, men are less likely to cry. get over it and move on.... geez -.- its not nogoshable this has nothing to do with the cultures In the USA because its near the same everywhere so get your facts straight
Kehlsteinhaus7 2 weeks ago
um... actually hes right. time and time again i've been scrutinized for even defending the "man" how is that equal. If i were to attack a women the way men are constantly attacked as womanizers and so on and so forth you can't honestly say in your heart that they would be seen the same. Face it which would a teacher stop more quickly? a man arguing against a woman who hasnt said anything. or a woman doing the same. none of this that you're saying is true.
AnayaMEric 2 weeks ago
@AnayaMEric You're acting like accusations are an offense. If you don't fit the accusation, then you're innocent and shouldn't be bothered by them. Feminists aren't man-haters. Heterosexual female feminists LOVE men, just like heterosexual male feminists LOVE women. Feminism isn't a movement to create a matriarchy, but it is a movement to shine light on certain places which deserve accusation and scrutiny.
molluskscommawethe 2 weeks ago
so, your a young