I think its shit I bought one 1800.00 and just breaking in the barrel had 12 out of 80 rds fail to eject. I would never recommend this gun to anyone sent the upper back after 3 weeks have no idea where the hell it is or if its even fixed NEVER BUY A DAMN DPMS....
"Normally you wouldn't shoot ten thousand rounds in two generations"...not with a hunting rifle but with a pistol or a rifle like an AR then 10k rounds is nothing. :-\
great job dpms...you make quality stuff(I own three 3 A3 lite 16) . wish we could have witnessed all 10,000 go through without cleaning and shut the nay-sayer up. Ar15/m16 is a very reliable system and tests like these prove it. It may not be as conscript friendly as the AK family, but with quality manufacturing (DPMS), decent ammo, and a knowledgable operator the system is extremely reliable.
My DPMS franken gun held up to some pretty hefty abuse over the years!
I've shot 300+ rounds through it to get my rifle burning hot, then dropped into a mud puddle to cool the barrel, then shake water out of the barrel, load it up, and keep firing! I went through over 700 rounds in about 1.5 hours, and it ran just fine!
Mine was a dissipator? model... I now have a different upper on my DPMS lower, but it has always worked pretty nicely...
Your point was that .223 is a military round but it is not. It is a civilian round that has similar dimensions to a military caliber. They are not the same thing.
The original video was made well over a year ago. Campy card playing and night to day editing aside, they most definitely shot all 10,000 rounds through the rifle.
That was stupid. You should have told us when you added lube. I have fired 2000 rounds before in a day without cleaning or added extra lube without a jam. It would have been nice to see when he had to add the oil.
BTW, I own a DPMS rifle. I've only ran about 200-300 with out cleaning or lube, and I have about 2k rounds through it. It's never jammed. All and all, a great rifle. The trigger was absolute shit, but I replaced it for about $150.
@dpmsinc Yeah, I wouldn't drive my car with apples like I wouldn't go to war with an AR. HAHA! Kidding, I like both weapons when at home, but if I were to go to an alien planet, AK all the way (or perhaps a robinson xcr).
man i'd love to be able to take one of those to iraq with me... but uh any way you guys could repost this with better picture quality? that'd be great.
Not exactly, though some parts of the barrel will turn red hot. There is nothing on that gun to catch fire, the handguard is a vented aluminum free float tube and the plastic rail covers on it don't get enough direct heat to light up.
I bought a DPMS AP4 about two months ago, and couldn't be happier. It's easily the most accurate rifle I've ever shot. I've since added a free-float quad rail, hogue pistol grip, flip-up back sight (I removed the carry handle), and a rail light for night shooting. Thanks for posting!
Neat test. Was the rifle cleaned at all during the test? Or was it strictly limited to occasional lubing? Were any failures/broken parts experienced during the test? Loose gas key, broken extractors, etc. Was this particular firearm purchased by the testers (pulled at random off the assembly line), or provided directly by dpms?
Not cleaned, just sprayed with additional lube. No broken parts, but there were a couple of easily cleared jams. It was a standard DPMS Mark12 supplied by DPMS to the show.
It's almost nine seconds per round. And it's an AR trigger, so it's nicer than your average semi-auto rifle trigger. I have a DPMS carbine, and while I might not have put 10,000 rounds through it, it's done it in less than optimum conditions, with less than perfect ammo. I've had a single jam with it, and I'm not sure if it's been my fault or not. I have five AKs, two Russians, a Romanian, and two milled Chinese, and while they're reliable, none are so good as my DPMS carbine was.
Wolf isn't good ammo. Mine doesn't mind it, but I didn't want to run too much through it. However, I did try some Yugo SS109 and it jammed almost every other shot. It was bad ammo in that case, not a bad rifle. My Bushmaster hated the stuff, too. My buddy's old Colt SP1 loved it, though.
I'd try something else in it, maybe get a case of the surplus XM193, never had a jam through several cases of that in any rifle.
i just got the mark 12 2 weeks ago and have yet to fire it....guns and ammo said that the tap/fpd 60 grain was the most accurate out of this gun...but isn't that ammo considered a soft point; which is supposed to gum up feed ramps after a couple hundred rounds; resulting in jams ?
The video is from Guns and Ammo TV and aired a little while back, the quality dropped from television to the current level when it was uploaded to youtube.
Very true. This was a torture test however and basically all they did was add lube and fire. Obviously you would never do this with a service rifle as you would never be carrying 10,000 rounds on your person in the battlefield. 334 full magazines would be a little cumbersome in combat compared to the recommended 7.
I don't know if you watched the whole vid....1:08...hornady ammo...top notch, more than a dollar a round...1000 sustained rounds of wolf would have probably broken the extractor!
I bet the accuracy of the barrel is all shot out; Stainless steel tends to hold in heat and coating it with teflon does not help dissipate it either.Probably stringers all across if he was shooting at any target.
Wow... id be freakin fatigued from standing up and shooting all those rounds... sitting i could handle... prone i might crash... but STANDING... lol... insane
NEVER had a problem with mine, not with anything!!
bodydrop3 1 week ago
I think its shit I bought one 1800.00 and just breaking in the barrel had 12 out of 80 rds fail to eject. I would never recommend this gun to anyone sent the upper back after 3 weeks have no idea where the hell it is or if its even fixed NEVER BUY A DAMN DPMS....
glockman459mm 2 months ago
BRAVO COMPANY
HunterKiller308 2 months ago
Should have used beta mags.
fisheater6 3 months ago
Glad I bought this gun =D
404040c 5 months ago
@ 3:46 thats what i said when I Banged yo girl
404040c 5 months ago
"Normally you wouldn't shoot ten thousand rounds in two generations"...not with a hunting rifle but with a pistol or a rifle like an AR then 10k rounds is nothing. :-\
huntwithairguns 6 months ago
go lefties
trentonshot 7 months ago
bet that slide fire stock would have made this test run a bit faster
thearmysredneck 7 months ago
Throw an osprey defense piston system in there and you wouldn't need any additional lube.
KurNorock 9 months ago
@KurNorock Uh...what? That makes no sense.
huntwithairguns 6 months ago
10.000 rounds get shot in 2 Generations, or well a good frieday night in fallu... omg lol
absurd1977 1 year ago
hey hes a lefty...like me
0122358 1 year ago
"no significant malfunction"
"any ar15 will stop cycling, just squirt a little lube in it",
"no real malfunctions, just an occasional crud up"
SeppLainer 1 year ago 11
I Love 20 inch ars.
GUNS4MIKE1234 1 year ago
great job dpms...you make quality stuff(I own three 3 A3 lite 16) . wish we could have witnessed all 10,000 go through without cleaning and shut the nay-sayer up. Ar15/m16 is a very reliable system and tests like these prove it. It may not be as conscript friendly as the AK family, but with quality manufacturing (DPMS), decent ammo, and a knowledgable operator the system is extremely reliable.
ftf1987 1 year ago
can't all guns jam? i really like all firearms though ar and ak are some fine beauties
omid11 1 year ago
Awesome vid! DPMS does it again!
stove6 1 year ago
I wish I could get one but not in my state. Im stuck with the Kel Tec :(
Tyson200422 1 year ago
My DPMS franken gun held up to some pretty hefty abuse over the years!
I've shot 300+ rounds through it to get my rifle burning hot, then dropped into a mud puddle to cool the barrel, then shake water out of the barrel, load it up, and keep firing! I went through over 700 rounds in about 1.5 hours, and it ran just fine!
Mine was a dissipator? model... I now have a different upper on my DPMS lower, but it has always worked pretty nicely...
This is a great video!
cobannie 1 year ago
Excellent material to prove all these "hurp durp M16 jams" people wrong.
L0ENze1337 1 year ago 5
That much ammo costs more than the gun.. If you got extra Ammo, just send some this way!
Brantoc 1 year ago 3
why dont they use some wolf ammo!! thats a real torture test.
helmet600 2 years ago
they want to test it. Not ruin it.
Herman2008 2 years ago
I love DPMS! I have bought 2 DPMS rifles and have been very happy with both of them.
sethmckay1 2 years ago
This is what I like to see before mine is delivered. Awesome test guys! Now I'd like to see an accuracy test. Which I know will be pretty dam good.
coffeejunkie33 2 years ago
I would have liked to see some accuracy testing after that many rounds.
Bly86 2 years ago
Your point was that .223 is a military round but it is not. It is a civilian round that has similar dimensions to a military caliber. They are not the same thing.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago
5.56 NATO surplus is not .223 ammo. 5.56 in a .223 chamber is unsafe and may destroy the rifle.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago
I bet they didn't waste all that .223 with the ammunition shortages going on.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago
The original video was made well over a year ago. Campy card playing and night to day editing aside, they most definitely shot all 10,000 rounds through the rifle.
dpmsinc 2 years ago
That is still a ton of ammo to shoot just to prove the reliability of a rifle.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago
WTF!!! 10k down the range!?#@
miiigoreng 2 years ago 2
I was going to build the same rifle (SPR copy) with a DPMS 18" barrel no less... I guess I could just buy it now.
scrateshooter 2 years ago
That was stupid. You should have told us when you added lube. I have fired 2000 rounds before in a day without cleaning or added extra lube without a jam. It would have been nice to see when he had to add the oil.
tripmatt1 2 years ago 2
it's a Marine thing-- you wouldn't understand...
rootbeer4969 2 years ago
BTW, I own a DPMS rifle. I've only ran about 200-300 with out cleaning or lube, and I have about 2k rounds through it. It's never jammed. All and all, a great rifle. The trigger was absolute shit, but I replaced it for about $150.
gnigged68 2 years ago
Run 89,000 rounds through it- that's eight nine thousand rounds, just like the Yuglavians did to a stamped sheet metal AK to see when it would fail.
mbsells77 2 years ago
That's kind of an apples to radial tires comparison.
dpmsinc 2 years ago 8
@dpmsinc Yeah, I wouldn't drive my car with apples like I wouldn't go to war with an AR. HAHA! Kidding, I like both weapons when at home, but if I were to go to an alien planet, AK all the way (or perhaps a robinson xcr).
redmunkee 1 year ago
I think I'd rather have a good trigger pull and friendly ergonomics.
That said, "outstanding quality" lmao.
gnigged68 2 years ago
@mbsells77
Usual maximum barrel life of any AR-15/M-16 system is rarely over 50,000rds before the head-spacing erodes too much.
cobannie 1 year ago
@mbsells77 - and yes, the Yugoslavian test involved lubing the AK at regular intervals too.
mingheemouse 1 month ago
man i'd love to be able to take one of those to iraq with me... but uh any way you guys could repost this with better picture quality? that'd be great.
americanfighter77 2 years ago
SICK! How much???
MG42pillbox 2 years ago
It was pretty black.
dpmsinc 2 years ago
Not exactly, though some parts of the barrel will turn red hot. There is nothing on that gun to catch fire, the handguard is a vented aluminum free float tube and the plastic rail covers on it don't get enough direct heat to light up.
dpmsinc 2 years ago
so like $5000 on ammo, ouch
i wonder if that was a "hand picked" rifle, 10,000 straight is impressive for any gun
i can only dream my DPMS runs that well
vxtip556 2 years ago
Nope, they only wanted a production run Mark12
dpmsinc 2 years ago
ouch 10,000 rounds on an old guys shoulder cant be good
lemonsaregreat 2 years ago
Actually a couple shooters took part in the testing, they just used the old guy for the show.
dpmsinc 2 years ago
I bought a DPMS AP4 about two months ago, and couldn't be happier. It's easily the most accurate rifle I've ever shot. I've since added a free-float quad rail, hogue pistol grip, flip-up back sight (I removed the carry handle), and a rail light for night shooting. Thanks for posting!
armoredsoldner 3 years ago 2
Neat test. Was the rifle cleaned at all during the test? Or was it strictly limited to occasional lubing? Were any failures/broken parts experienced during the test? Loose gas key, broken extractors, etc. Was this particular firearm purchased by the testers (pulled at random off the assembly line), or provided directly by dpms?
thanks in advance!
BlackRifle99 3 years ago
Not cleaned, just sprayed with additional lube. No broken parts, but there were a couple of easily cleared jams. It was a standard DPMS Mark12 supplied by DPMS to the show.
dpmsinc 2 years ago
It would have been nice if they would have given him a rifle with a muzzle break for a 10,000 round shoot!
CelticSouthland 3 years ago
I think it's fake, nobody can press a trigger 10000 times in 24h. It's to hard for the finger.
dews92 3 years ago
Not fake, it takes the better part of the day and involves more than one person shooting
dpmsinc 3 years ago
It's almost nine seconds per round. And it's an AR trigger, so it's nicer than your average semi-auto rifle trigger. I have a DPMS carbine, and while I might not have put 10,000 rounds through it, it's done it in less than optimum conditions, with less than perfect ammo. I've had a single jam with it, and I'm not sure if it's been my fault or not. I have five AKs, two Russians, a Romanian, and two milled Chinese, and while they're reliable, none are so good as my DPMS carbine was.
AreThereNoMoreNames 3 years ago
I got a dpms to, but a jam every five round with wolf amo. :(
dews92 3 years ago
Wolf isn't good ammo. Mine doesn't mind it, but I didn't want to run too much through it. However, I did try some Yugo SS109 and it jammed almost every other shot. It was bad ammo in that case, not a bad rifle. My Bushmaster hated the stuff, too. My buddy's old Colt SP1 loved it, though.
I'd try something else in it, maybe get a case of the surplus XM193, never had a jam through several cases of that in any rifle.
AreThereNoMoreNames 3 years ago
Yeah, so how did the accuracy test go?
claybreaker12gauge 3 years ago
This was a simple torture test, fire a boat load of rounds without complete failure.
As for normal accuracy, DPMS rifles are MOA to sub MOA out of the box with the right ammo and shooter
dpmsinc 3 years ago
i just got the mark 12 2 weeks ago and have yet to fire it....guns and ammo said that the tap/fpd 60 grain was the most accurate out of this gun...but isn't that ammo considered a soft point; which is supposed to gum up feed ramps after a couple hundred rounds; resulting in jams ?
swordsman3000 3 years ago
questions have arisen about the legitamacy of this test test.
was this rifle bone stock, or were there higher strength bolts or carriers used ?
no real sign of wear on the shell deflector or brass pile
the video quality is extremely poor so these issues can't be clarified
would you care to ?
swordsman3000 2 years ago
It was a stock gun.
The video is from Guns and Ammo TV and aired a little while back, the quality dropped from television to the current level when it was uploaded to youtube.
dpmsinc 2 years ago
It is very similar, but the Mark 12's the military use are made by Colt.
akjetmech 3 years ago
are there differences? If so do you know what they are? Is the DPMS limited in any way?
Thanks for the reply
voteDRNO 3 years ago
Besides there being no full auto option, they are probably very similar. DPMS makes great guns.
akjetmech 3 years ago
Yes.
dpmsinc 3 years ago
No wonder the price of ammo is so damn high! Why can't they spread the wealth!
drew7129 3 years ago
dude calm down its 10000 rounds
jbmxsk896 3 years ago
Very true. This was a torture test however and basically all they did was add lube and fire. Obviously you would never do this with a service rifle as you would never be carrying 10,000 rounds on your person in the battlefield. 334 full magazines would be a little cumbersome in combat compared to the recommended 7.
dpmsinc 3 years ago
Nope, it was Hornady brass.
Steel case ammo voids our warranty and was not used.
dpmsinc 3 years ago
the real test would be using mid grade ammo...any thing should be able to shoot dollar a round ammo flawlessly.
haiysmomma 3 years ago
It looks like those mags were full of steel cased ammo which is lower grade ammo. Wolf ammo most likely.
swedishvolvo 3 years ago
I don't know if you watched the whole vid....1:08...hornady ammo...top notch, more than a dollar a round...1000 sustained rounds of wolf would have probably broken the extractor!
haiysmomma 3 years ago
The video is pretty blurry.
swedishvolvo 3 years ago 2
Any upgrades to this rifle?
Forgoten214 3 years ago
I fired 3000 rounds in one weekend and the barrel was done after that. I didn't get a jam at all.
ferret6677 3 years ago
what no full auto
alexman18 3 years ago
LOL Damn Southpaws....
Nice vid
Bean0000 3 years ago
hes slow!!! I'd of bump fire that thing! lol
SF18BRAV0 3 years ago 2
hell yeah so you could get rid of ammo faster. i'd do the same thing.
ohiodeerhunter21 3 years ago
lol not only that hes slow at firing, but he waste alot of time reloading those 30rd magazines! Id bring out the Beta C mags
SF18BRAV0 3 years ago
I bet the accuracy of the barrel is all shot out; Stainless steel tends to hold in heat and coating it with teflon does not help dissipate it either.Probably stringers all across if he was shooting at any target.
victor1566 4 years ago
he is to slow id shot it all day
cwjolly69 4 years ago
Wow... id be freakin fatigued from standing up and shooting all those rounds... sitting i could handle... prone i might crash... but STANDING... lol... insane
DEATHoB4oDISHONOR 4 years ago
Is this a stainless steel barrel that has the black teflon finish or is it a chrome moly barrel with a chrome lined barrel and chamber???
victor1566 4 years ago
If they didn't modify anything it's 416 Stainless Steel and Teflon coated.
dpmsinc 4 years ago
Teflon coated bore or exterior?
noobsmoke79 3 years ago
Just exterior.
dpmsinc 3 years ago
lol. They can send me the brass
BionicSniper 4 years ago
wonder what the accuracy is after all that
dewage838 4 years ago