don't ya think credentials of the instructors should be taken into consideration when spending your money on a class? travis and chris are cool guys, but i think larry vickers has better credentials on training operatives. agree?
For the armed civilian, the ideal is that we never use the gun outside of training and practice.
You say "with a weapon he will never use on anybody but cans and bottles in the desert" like it is a bad thing.
As a lawfully armed citizen, the only thing that could be worse in my mind than having to use my gun is being in a situation where I needed to use it, but didn't have it.
I wonder at what point they teach off hand shooting (i'm right handed so my left) when shooting around the left side of a barricade. Switching hands offers you much less exposure from cover on that side.
The DVDs are awesome and you can learn a ton of info.
Now I went to the Dynamic Handgun class 1 & 2 and it was awesome. I spent 20+ yrs in Army & time in law enforcement & it was THE BEST CLASS I have attended in regards to pistol marksmanship and its application to real world situations.
If I could recommend one DVD, the Dynamic Handgun would be it. Now if you get the chance to take the class too, then its an awesome combination. Excellent instruction by Chris & Travis.
These guys should be shooting at a faster speed' body armour can take a hit, it stings very bad, but an enemy could easily pull the trigger and spray another 2 rounds in the chest and up.
iono why someone marked you as spam... but that's a good point. If an AK round hits the door first, it might slow it down enough for standard body armor as well.
Either way, it's up to everyone's individual choices. There's always gonna be circumstance that says otherwise, but as for "in general" situations, just close the door -__-'
Some of the best shooters I know are big fat (read:strong and stable) guys.
They may not be able to run and gun all day, but for the 5-7 seconds that the average gunfight lasts, you couldn't ask for a more stable firing platform.
u close the door so it doesn't get in the way in case you need move in that direction magpul is all about speed, form and accuracy a car a door can get in the way
@calleway66 true but on the other side closing the door can lose you valuable seconds in a firefight/ambush situation also the door can serve as a blast shield but ive yet to see or hear of a standard car door stopping any bullet within reasonable limitations.
@gatykeAD Youre absolutely right, a car door wont stop a bullet, the usual bad guy .308 rifle, even the `47 which fires a shorter .308 round, has the capability of going through an entire car from just about any direction within that rifle`s effective to optimum range, however it might reduce some muzzle velocity.
So it`s up to the individual, due to daily life habits I`d probably choose unobstructive view of the situation (Close the car door.)
In one situation I had the luxury of (Not intentionally) firing one live subsonic .22lr through a doghouse, both walls, then through a farmhouse, both walls, and THEN lodged itself into a big rock on the other side, no one got hit, thank god.
Since then I ALWAYS checked chamber visually and physically, even if it`s checked by the person handing it to me, then perform dry-click @ 45 degrees muzzle downward angle and 45 degrees away from persons/assets/animals.
I understand what your saying, but it could be several reasons. First being they are working in a team, so seeing and hearing each other could be limited due to the door. Another being if they need to move quickly, they won't run into the door, or have to manuever around. If you're already forced to exit a vehicle and can't drive away, then you have serious problems.
@td84 Aditional point it depends on where the contact is comming from - what armor the vehicle has - and what your CAT truck has in it (counter assault truck) Most times if a vehicle gets inop'd the Cat truck will either "push" the damaged vehicle out of the x or will go assault the ambushers to take fire off of the people switching vehicles in the x.
@Daytonaman675 I don't think you watched the video. The two individuals exiting the vehicle were using pistols only. If the vehicle is stopped, and you're using pistols only I highly doubt you have a CAT available. Also, if the contact is coming from the driver side and both the driver (exiting from his door) and passenger are exiting the vehicle, I doubt they have an armored vehicle.
Again, I standby my original comment. If you can't drive away, then you have serious problems.
If the door was dismounted from its hinges only would it then be a problem of not shielding bullets in flight (haha). Nevertheless, the door remains intact with the car, open or closed, thereby protecting the shootist from incoming rounds. Personally, I think it's a moot argument as to whether the door should be shut or disregarded upon exiting the vehicle. In fact, depending on the direction of incoming fire, the doors may provide additional cover whilst egressing or engaging.
I agree 100%. In fact, on Magpul Dynamics' homepage, there is a quotation that says, and I'm paraphrasing here, "a car door is not a viable piece of cover; a concrete wall is." It's true that bullets can pass through car doors easily, and the idea is to orient yourself with the engine block between you and the target. In researches conducted by the military, researchers concluded that people tend to shoot at the car as a whole, not the individuals inside. Again, car doors aren't ideal.
Exactly. When my dad was sent to Afghanistan as a journalist, they were told by an ex SAS member that first thing to do is run to cover as fast as possible. If that's not do-able, take cover behind the engine block. If that's not safe, last resort was the wheel well. Explicitly told never hide behind the door.
Basically, whatever works for you is fine. As long as your trigger pull is consistent and doesnt' jerk causing the gun to misdirect towards the side. Common mistake amongst novice or new shooters is 2nd segment of your finger. That is definitely wrong.
@paulpm This is widely debated. It's preference, mostly. Though traditionally, double action revolver or pistol is joint, single action is the pad of the finger.
that dude is so fat lol but yet im jealous he can train with you guys ....
kcc92112 6 months ago
Aw I wanted to see that huge guy shoot from the ground and try to get back up!
voodazz 10 months ago
Gun Gallery, huh? Jacksonville, FL? Nice store; guys know their stuff in there. And I met THe Jedi master himself at the store too. :-)
sablelieger 1 year ago
@joeratti He's got a good stable firing platform, that's for sure.
032125 1 year ago
@joeratti and end up kicking your ass up your face, seeing what progress they are at.
Acer81996 1 year ago
don't ya think credentials of the instructors should be taken into consideration when spending your money on a class? travis and chris are cool guys, but i think larry vickers has better credentials on training operatives. agree?
lcy85 1 year ago
@lcy85 That wasn't a very thought out comment. Apparently you haven't done very much homework to say something ignorant like that.
tactical2bagpipes 1 year ago
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@Churchx77
For the armed civilian, the ideal is that we never use the gun outside of training and practice.
You say "with a weapon he will never use on anybody but cans and bottles in the desert" like it is a bad thing.
As a lawfully armed citizen, the only thing that could be worse in my mind than having to use my gun is being in a situation where I needed to use it, but didn't have it.
mlarson29 1 year ago
Props to the big guy. Keep it up
Ninpokokoro83 1 year ago
cool video
gunterm2009 1 year ago
I wonder at what point they teach off hand shooting (i'm right handed so my left) when shooting around the left side of a barricade. Switching hands offers you much less exposure from cover on that side.
FlyinandDrivin 1 year ago
The DVDs are awesome and you can learn a ton of info.
Now I went to the Dynamic Handgun class 1 & 2 and it was awesome. I spent 20+ yrs in Army & time in law enforcement & it was THE BEST CLASS I have attended in regards to pistol marksmanship and its application to real world situations.
If I could recommend one DVD, the Dynamic Handgun would be it. Now if you get the chance to take the class too, then its an awesome combination. Excellent instruction by Chris & Travis.
SafeArmsReview 1 year ago
These guys should be shooting at a faster speed' body armour can take a hit, it stings very bad, but an enemy could easily pull the trigger and spray another 2 rounds in the chest and up.
IGCOutBreak 1 year ago
Big guy
masterjk 1 year ago
I want to take one of those courses
BirdDog1018 2 years ago 3
iono why someone marked you as spam... but that's a good point. If an AK round hits the door first, it might slow it down enough for standard body armor as well.
Either way, it's up to everyone's individual choices. There's always gonna be circumstance that says otherwise, but as for "in general" situations, just close the door -__-'
kyl64 2 years ago
grilurnuts He dosn't have to be skinny to kill ya.
will1174 2 years ago
Looks like the "fat guy" has pretty good control of his weapon so I wouldn't knock him
rfblues2 2 years ago 2
Some of the best shooters I know are big fat (read:strong and stable) guys.
They may not be able to run and gun all day, but for the 5-7 seconds that the average gunfight lasts, you couldn't ask for a more stable firing platform.
032125 2 years ago
they do low light in the basic class?
benbangui 2 years ago
1:25...very nice reload...
beexsama 2 years ago
u close the door so it doesn't get in the way in case you need move in that direction magpul is all about speed, form and accuracy a car a door can get in the way
calleway66 2 years ago 7
@calleway66 true but on the other side closing the door can lose you valuable seconds in a firefight/ambush situation also the door can serve as a blast shield but ive yet to see or hear of a standard car door stopping any bullet within reasonable limitations.
gatykeAD 1 year ago
@gatykeAD Youre absolutely right, a car door wont stop a bullet, the usual bad guy .308 rifle, even the `47 which fires a shorter .308 round, has the capability of going through an entire car from just about any direction within that rifle`s effective to optimum range, however it might reduce some muzzle velocity.
So it`s up to the individual, due to daily life habits I`d probably choose unobstructive view of the situation (Close the car door.)
ToreDL87 1 year ago
@ToreDL87
It's not just rifles - car doors do very little to stop gunfire even from smaller pistol calibers.
mlarson29 1 year ago
@mlarson29 Yeah tell me about it..
In one situation I had the luxury of (Not intentionally) firing one live subsonic .22lr through a doghouse, both walls, then through a farmhouse, both walls, and THEN lodged itself into a big rock on the other side, no one got hit, thank god.
Since then I ALWAYS checked chamber visually and physically, even if it`s checked by the person handing it to me, then perform dry-click @ 45 degrees muzzle downward angle and 45 degrees away from persons/assets/animals.
ToreDL87 1 year ago
why do you teach them to close the
infcgsd 2 years ago
@infcgsd
if you end up closing the door later, they'll know exactly where to shoot cause you're closing it.
Also, maneuvering around it makes you visible. The farther away you are, the more visible you are *over or under the car view*.
Also, if the door is angle properly, ricochet happens. Here's a physics fact for you. Ricochet is most ideal at around 30º
kyl64 2 years ago
why do they teach to close the door? Fuck the door. Draw you sidearm and engage the bad guys.
dmitrikonovich123 2 years ago
I understand what your saying, but it could be several reasons. First being they are working in a team, so seeing and hearing each other could be limited due to the door. Another being if they need to move quickly, they won't run into the door, or have to manuever around. If you're already forced to exit a vehicle and can't drive away, then you have serious problems.
td84 2 years ago 9
@td84 Aditional point it depends on where the contact is comming from - what armor the vehicle has - and what your CAT truck has in it (counter assault truck) Most times if a vehicle gets inop'd the Cat truck will either "push" the damaged vehicle out of the x or will go assault the ambushers to take fire off of the people switching vehicles in the x.
Daytonaman675 9 months ago
@Daytonaman675 I don't think you watched the video. The two individuals exiting the vehicle were using pistols only. If the vehicle is stopped, and you're using pistols only I highly doubt you have a CAT available. Also, if the contact is coming from the driver side and both the driver (exiting from his door) and passenger are exiting the vehicle, I doubt they have an armored vehicle.
Again, I standby my original comment. If you can't drive away, then you have serious problems.
td84 9 months ago
yes that's a new one to me, i guess if the car was armoured it is for protection but in reality i would engage first.
CivilianSheepdog 2 years ago
More cover, that door could stop a bullet headed for your face.
rommelAOE 2 years ago
If the door was dismounted from its hinges only would it then be a problem of not shielding bullets in flight (haha). Nevertheless, the door remains intact with the car, open or closed, thereby protecting the shootist from incoming rounds. Personally, I think it's a moot argument as to whether the door should be shut or disregarded upon exiting the vehicle. In fact, depending on the direction of incoming fire, the doors may provide additional cover whilst egressing or engaging.
dmitrikonovich123 2 years ago
Furthermore, I doubt a shootist receiving gunfire will give the door any attention when his life is threatened by imminent death.
dmitrikonovich123 2 years ago
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okay. you have a choice. i'm going to shoot you. do u want a door in front of you to slow the bullet a little bit or not. your choice
MP5rules 2 years ago
I have seen car doors dissembled, they are nothing but sheets of metal stamped in various shapes to be rigid. They are not good choices for cover
juki009 2 years ago
I agree 100%. In fact, on Magpul Dynamics' homepage, there is a quotation that says, and I'm paraphrasing here, "a car door is not a viable piece of cover; a concrete wall is." It's true that bullets can pass through car doors easily, and the idea is to orient yourself with the engine block between you and the target. In researches conducted by the military, researchers concluded that people tend to shoot at the car as a whole, not the individuals inside. Again, car doors aren't ideal.
dmitrikonovich123 2 years ago
Exactly. When my dad was sent to Afghanistan as a journalist, they were told by an ex SAS member that first thing to do is run to cover as fast as possible. If that's not do-able, take cover behind the engine block. If that's not safe, last resort was the wheel well. Explicitly told never hide behind the door.
gandhicakes 2 years ago
true dat
dmitrikonovich123 2 years ago
okay. you have a choice. i'm going to shoot you. do u want a door in front of you to slow the bullet a little bit or not. your choice
MP5rules 2 years ago
Is it a personal preference to keep your elbows straight like that?
randomwitekid 2 years ago
Should you pull the trigger with the joint of your trigger finger or with the pad (fingerprint) of your trigger finger?
Thanks,
p
paulpm 2 years ago
Ideally with "plumb" of your finger tip. this depends (obviously) on the individual mechanical articulation (i.e. injuries, etc.)
nerves 2 years ago
@nerves What is the "plumb" of your finger? Never heard of this and Google had nothing.
ChristianChastain 2 years ago
@ChristianChastain pretty much the pad of your finger
n0fry 1 year ago
@paulpm
also depends on the fitting of your hand.
Basically, whatever works for you is fine. As long as your trigger pull is consistent and doesnt' jerk causing the gun to misdirect towards the side. Common mistake amongst novice or new shooters is 2nd segment of your finger. That is definitely wrong.
kyl64 2 years ago
Thanks, p
paulpm 2 years ago
@paulpm This is widely debated. It's preference, mostly. Though traditionally, double action revolver or pistol is joint, single action is the pad of the finger.
John234pwns 9 months ago
well done!
badcatbigbat 2 years ago
thanks.
nerves 2 years ago
Jedi Master lol.
VulcanMarine 2 years ago 2
Why did Costa want to see your video?
Anderasio 2 years ago 2
This makes me very sad that I will miss the class coming up here in Colorado.
decodeddiesel 2 years ago
wish i coulda gone to the class
atacorion 2 years ago 3
Why did he want to see it before you posted it? Make sure you didn't give away any techniques for free?
catalyst895 2 years ago 3