LAST PART: And the creativity on display here is impressive yet absent any hint of fussiness or showiness. Its always worth considering the merits of art that is outside of our comfort zone or area of interest and what that artist may be trying to accomplish or contribute to the medium's cannon.
Just as Television's Marquee Moon showed us one year earlier how in the post-punk era guitar work within rock could still amaze without leaving behind the composition or the groove or the other band members (i.e. "Freebird", Clapton's "Cocain"), Spectre vs Rector delivers a story of epic theme in which the narrative does not overtake the music; nor is it a 'heroic' or self-aggrandizing narrative typical of epic prog-rock FM classics (Hotel California, say).
(Both art and entertainment are critical for the survival of any culture; I do not mean to imply that either is more important than the other, only that they serve two important yet different purposes.) Sorry for a long-winded post, but point is that I can understand why many will find this piece 'unpleasant' to listen to, but feel strongly that it is *not* arbitrary in its scattering of noise, and not without brilliance and an important message of that time.
Central difference between a culture w/ high appreciation 4 art, but low appreciation 4 entertainment (French, 4 example, who typically make rotten rock, vid games, comedy, and other "fun") versus culture such as ours, which has a sophisticated understanding of entertainment (arguably most sophisticated in history of world at creating/appreciating entertainment) yet a low understanding of art, which we critique only for its value as 'entertainment' for us personally, as opposed to its new ideas.
Primativists and garage bands intentionally rebel against such high production values. You may declare an instant distaste for such an aesthetic, but, educationally, it is helpful to understand what is motivating the artist, and make an attempt to understand them and assess the failure or success of their work based on *their* intentions rather than our own expectations.
To say they sound as if they recorded this "awful noise" in some warehouse is to not understand their intentions. Most folks, esp we Americans, are used to highly-produced sounds that typically are significantly compressed via engineering techniques. 'Compressed' means that the highest and lowest outlying sound waves get digitally erased so that the resulting music has a smooth, synthetic sound that's easy on the ears.
Not all artist are *trying* to achieve that polished Coldplay sound. The Fall arose during the original ("1st wave") of British punk, and, as Manchester "Northerners", even considered themselves estranged from the pop-ier punk bands of England's larger Southern cities. They came on the scene inspired by a slew of 'primitives' (Velvet Underground), garage bands (M5, Stooges) and polyrhythmic pioneers (Germany's Can, for example).
@meandmehousetramp Exactly, its unbelievable how anyone could want to listen to this. Has he just recorded the noise from a factory or something. absolute rubbish
@jasonbigelow Why do you think I like Nickleback jase? is the fall and nickleback the only two bands you have heard of? There is in fact MORE than those two bands in the world and this allows people (people like me) two hate both the Fall AND Nickleback. Do you understand this, basically what i'm saying is that hating the Fall is not a prerequisite for being a fan of Nickleback. I hope I have cleared up any confusion jason.
@MrThreescoops If you hate The Fall,who are basically the voice of God in a musical context..then you might as well be a fucking Nicklefaggotback fan.
@jasonbigelow Are you serious, you are without doubt the stupidest person i have ever conversed with. You have absolutely nothing worthwhile to say. I don't like nickleback so dont bringing them up over and over again, your obsessed with them. I think you may be the nickleback fan here. I also think that you have said the word 'faggot' to many times for a secure strait man, i think in fact you might be a gay nickleback fan. Come on let it out
You certainly can't tell stories nowadaze.
Too much risk of a subversive undercurrent its nay allowed.
LondonDada 2 months ago
A living document.
LondonDada 2 months ago
nice one
StinkiwinkiPoo 6 months ago
The Fall were always far too good for normal pop audience , Mark E. Smith should better belong to avantgarde music environments.
vogelmandrie 6 months ago
Is it Riley or Scanlon thats playing lead on this one?
TheOissin 7 months ago
LAST PART: And the creativity on display here is impressive yet absent any hint of fussiness or showiness. Its always worth considering the merits of art that is outside of our comfort zone or area of interest and what that artist may be trying to accomplish or contribute to the medium's cannon.
easilyremembered11 9 months ago in playlist Dragnet - The Fall
Just as Television's Marquee Moon showed us one year earlier how in the post-punk era guitar work within rock could still amaze without leaving behind the composition or the groove or the other band members (i.e. "Freebird", Clapton's "Cocain"), Spectre vs Rector delivers a story of epic theme in which the narrative does not overtake the music; nor is it a 'heroic' or self-aggrandizing narrative typical of epic prog-rock FM classics (Hotel California, say).
easilyremembered11 9 months ago in playlist Dragnet - The Fall
(Both art and entertainment are critical for the survival of any culture; I do not mean to imply that either is more important than the other, only that they serve two important yet different purposes.) Sorry for a long-winded post, but point is that I can understand why many will find this piece 'unpleasant' to listen to, but feel strongly that it is *not* arbitrary in its scattering of noise, and not without brilliance and an important message of that time.
easilyremembered11 9 months ago in playlist Dragnet - The Fall
Central difference between a culture w/ high appreciation 4 art, but low appreciation 4 entertainment (French, 4 example, who typically make rotten rock, vid games, comedy, and other "fun") versus culture such as ours, which has a sophisticated understanding of entertainment (arguably most sophisticated in history of world at creating/appreciating entertainment) yet a low understanding of art, which we critique only for its value as 'entertainment' for us personally, as opposed to its new ideas.
easilyremembered11 9 months ago in playlist Dragnet - The Fall
Primativists and garage bands intentionally rebel against such high production values. You may declare an instant distaste for such an aesthetic, but, educationally, it is helpful to understand what is motivating the artist, and make an attempt to understand them and assess the failure or success of their work based on *their* intentions rather than our own expectations.
easilyremembered11 9 months ago in playlist Dragnet - The Fall
To say they sound as if they recorded this "awful noise" in some warehouse is to not understand their intentions. Most folks, esp we Americans, are used to highly-produced sounds that typically are significantly compressed via engineering techniques. 'Compressed' means that the highest and lowest outlying sound waves get digitally erased so that the resulting music has a smooth, synthetic sound that's easy on the ears.
easilyremembered11 9 months ago in playlist Dragnet - The Fall
Not all artist are *trying* to achieve that polished Coldplay sound. The Fall arose during the original ("1st wave") of British punk, and, as Manchester "Northerners", even considered themselves estranged from the pop-ier punk bands of England's larger Southern cities. They came on the scene inspired by a slew of 'primitives' (Velvet Underground), garage bands (M5, Stooges) and polyrhythmic pioneers (Germany's Can, for example).
easilyremembered11 9 months ago in playlist Dragnet - The Fall
unbelievable
meandmehousetramp 11 months ago
@meandmehousetramp Exactly, its unbelievable how anyone could want to listen to this. Has he just recorded the noise from a factory or something. absolute rubbish
MrThreescoops 10 months ago
@MrThreescoops And what have you done with your life,that's better? Cunt.
jasonbigelow 9 months ago
@jasonbigelow I just coughed up a chunk of grey phlegm thats better than this shit. Cunt
MrThreescoops 9 months ago
@MrThreescoops Go back to your fucking faggot nickleback cds. QUEER.
jasonbigelow 9 months ago
@jasonbigelow Why do you think I like Nickleback jase? is the fall and nickleback the only two bands you have heard of? There is in fact MORE than those two bands in the world and this allows people (people like me) two hate both the Fall AND Nickleback. Do you understand this, basically what i'm saying is that hating the Fall is not a prerequisite for being a fan of Nickleback. I hope I have cleared up any confusion jason.
MrThreescoops 9 months ago
@MrThreescoops If you hate The Fall,who are basically the voice of God in a musical context..then you might as well be a fucking Nicklefaggotback fan.
jasonbigelow 9 months ago
@jasonbigelow Are you serious, you are without doubt the stupidest person i have ever conversed with. You have absolutely nothing worthwhile to say. I don't like nickleback so dont bringing them up over and over again, your obsessed with them. I think you may be the nickleback fan here. I also think that you have said the word 'faggot' to many times for a secure strait man, i think in fact you might be a gay nickleback fan. Come on let it out
MrThreescoops 9 months ago
i like to think of this song as the Fall's proverbial antithesis of 'bytor and the snowdog',lol
GalleryOfDreamality 1 year ago
I wanna be in the fall yaaaaaghhhh!
liamscully 1 year ago
Bliss...............and I have not been possessed. thankyou fallfan :-)
Biagio64 3 years ago
fucking amaaaazing
muffinspork 3 years ago 2
Wow, still sounds amazing after all these years.
smithmarke 3 years ago