I have listened to appoximately 100 INC sermons. I gave them a chance. Therefore I am not commenting in predjudice. Manalo is a false prophet. This man is vain like other false prophets. A hierarchy of administration headed by nepotism is a clue, and a red flag. INC members hear this. You are being controlled, you are not free. Praise Jesus, and know the bible for yourselves. Vain interpretations are misleading you. Jesus comes to you. Manalo does not lead you to the holy city. Don't be stupid.
You make a great point. The more I talk to INC people, the more I realize how many of them are blinded by their zeal for their religion. They cannot see very common sense things. No amount of reasoning seems to wake them up, we can only pray for them.
After not following the orignal manuscripts, after admitting that Rom 16 does not support an organization name hence debunking INC), after making the blunder that the NT was written in Hebrew, after saying that the Apostle's didn't know Greek, you really have the audacity to say that I failed? Then after all that, you say you are proud? Proud of what, that you make a bunch of factual errors and blunders? That's very deluded thinking.
The Canon is not a "translation" its a list of books. In other words, I'm asking you how do you know which list books belong in the NT, who compiled this list of books, and do you trust them? I noted no answer...
Like i said some ttanslation of verse mislead to true teaching because they want u lead their religion that my 1st question in my research in other church not like the INC do not have own bible tthat their own bible translated by minister. maybe u r because u r a preist
All you have to do is go back to the orignal manuscripts, that should solve all your problems. When you do, you will find out that they do not say "far" east, nor do they say "church of christ." The problem is that you keep wanting to go to "translations" not to the original texts.
Bible is reperence for spiritual Gods word for salvision of ones soul some translation of bible translated to mislead u know the trueth in bible example church of God but God is spirit; no blood that mislead to ones soul that i can not follow that teaching: that way i belief church of christ is acceptable because christ has blood thur his blood he will save his body ( church ) at school u use a book too for human knowledge if studing math u not using history book that wrong teaching ofcause ma
Moreover, you are ignoring what the text says. You are stuck with what it says whether it agrees with your theology or not, or whether you like it or not.
I trush the word of God written in the bible and i will follow His conments also christ teaching. God want to the poelpe to worship Him no other god or idol. Worship God in spirit because God is spirit
As my naleage the aposples and christ are from jerusalem thier language must be hebrew and moses also hebrew both OT and NT Is mist be written in hebrew yes i belief in the bible but i have to be careful because God said be careful wjat you follow and not go beyond to it written... Canon that word in the bible
Notice what you just did, by saying that the OT and NT were written in Hebrew, you have refuted your own assertion that it was written in "tagalog." Moreover, the NT was not written in Hebrew, we have no manuscript evidence for that. We only have manuscript evidence for the Greek. Furthermore, Jesus and the Apostle's had to speak Greek (as well as Aramaic), since they were communicating with Roman soldiers and Gentile people. Finally, you did not answer my 3 questions.
@aliasbarok Dude wake up man. Check out Acts 20:28 in the original form, from the greek manuscript at biblos.com, click on the greek tab and you can see for yourself. The original texts says "church of God" not "Christ" as in Lamsa's bible so the INC (Church of Christ) should quit using Lamsa's bible to claim that they are God's chosen church.
Christ teacthing which is comanded by Almigthy God?
6; if i can not understand or contradicion in some teacthing i always ask what it means until i understand the whole meaning of it.
This some of my list and category that i am look for true church and salvition for my own soul. It must have all that; not just some but all of that i am look for. I not look after to the member do or what they belief; because everbody is accountable to make a own salvation to A
Christ teacthing which is comanded by Almigthy God?
6; if i can not understand or if here is contradicion in some teacthing i always ask what it means until i understand the whole meaning of it.
This some of my list and category that i am look for true church and salvition for my own soul. It must have all that; not just some but all of that i am look for. I not look after to the member do or what they belief; because everbody is accountable to make a own sal
That's fine, but it's really irrelevant to my question about the name INC being found in scripture. But since you mention the Bible and the "owner" of the translation, then I must ask you, 1). How do you know which books belong in the NT canon? 2). Who compiled the NT canon? 3). Do you trust them?
This is my all question: I this my own opinion when i was researching the true church; 1; which church belief on the bible with out owner of translation (church publish from their own religion) of the bible? I can eliminate some that i know.Ex: muslim have coran and also .... And so on
2; which church belief there is only one God?
3; which church belief there is a savevior for salvation?
4; which church belief there has a propercies in the bible?
U need research in hebrew like i said before greek gather all the book and translated in greek but hebrew is thier 2nd language like me english is my 2nd language u r very lucky u still understand me
I have no idea of what you're talking about. The OT was written in Hebrew and later in Greek with the Septuagint. None of those use "far" east. The NT was all written in Greek, not "tagalog." The only possible exception was the Gospel of Matthew which Saint Papias said was in Aramaic. If you really think that the NT was originally written in "tagalog" then you have deluded yourself.
If you're referring to Isaiah 43:5, then that just proves my case. If "Greek is not using far" then that means that Isa 43:5 does not say "far" east. Thanks :-)
Read it if can read in tagalog; Mangagbatian kayo ng banal na halik. Binabati kayo ng lahat ng mga iglesia ni Cristo. (Mga Taga-Roma 16:16 TLAB) christ organice the church why he have 12 aposple and they make it grow to different location what church is not have organisiation. If not organice is not belong to God
No, the NT was not written in "tagalog," it was written in Greek. I already explained to you that Rom 16 is not using an organizational name and you admitted to that.
Roman 16:16 and acts 20:28 lamsa u can read church of christ but the other church of christ u mention they had no prophecy in the bible. INC is the prophecy from the bible far east isaih 43:5 moffat but u can not accept it by your belief for not being careful what to follow
So the verses you provided are the ones that I have already responded to, and you had nothing to say to my response? That's very weak. To remind you, Rom 16:16 uses the plural, which is referring to a collection of churches, not to an organization name, and you already admitted this. Acts 20:28 has 3 textual variants, none of which use "church of Christ." Isaiah 43 has to do with the regathering of Israel and the hebrew does not use "far" east. Your response? Silence...
Christ is the head and the church his body what you think you? If there is a body without a head can you recognice. CSI if they a case with body out a head they have identify by DNA before they know who is the head . Like u said the church is body of christ and what u going to call; its rigth to call by his name or by what name the other name not by christ; respect . Christ build his church need to by his name not in other name or no name... Church of Christ.... If can not acept the trueth
I agree that Christ is the head of his Body. That's not the question, the question is, Can you provide a verse that says the name of the church is INC? You haven't given us any.
Ang kulit nitong tao na to sabi mga iglesia ni cristo hindi ibang iglesia hayyyyy naku sabing kaming mga iglesia ni cristo kami lang ang magbabatoan hindi kasama
Merely asserting that Isa 43:5 is refering to INC is not proof, just an assertion. In order for your assertion to be valid, you need to provide some proof and evidence. So far you have not done this. Moreover, I showed you a negative case for why Isaiah 43 does not refer to INC. You did not respond, hence, you have provided no good reason to believe in your assertion.
Every body can use the what bible you preper but... God say becareful what you fallow... because some translation in the bible lead distraction like i said they translated to fit to their doctrine God makes it happen bacause for a reason
Yes, we do need to becareful when we use the Bible. You are a perfect example of this, as you have misused scripture passages such as Rom 16, Acts 20:28 and Isa 43:5 to your own destruction. Please treat the word of God with more respect.
The church at roma is belong to christ becuase he biuld church not belong any aposole even they r leader of does church. But they name then church of christ because they preach to follow christ; he is head of the church and church is the body that y they e called by church of christ
Yes, the Church is the body of Christ, but where does that say that the Name is INC? You are assuming what you yet have to prove. First, you need to show us where in scripture the Name of the church is INC. You have not done this.
U know i am sorry that i make u mad that why i do not want go to beyond what its written. But the true is hurt...Yap u r correct church at roma and other location what kind of church they r? U mean to say they just a church or u mean to they r church of aposole Pual or aposole Peter because they lead the church in that location. Does church has a name?
Asking whether the Church has a name is NOT proof that it does have one. At most its just a question. You are the one claiming that the Church is called INC, therefore the burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence. The only text you brought forth was Rom 16, which you implicitly admitted that its not talking about an organizational Name. Thus far, you have not provided any evidence, so yes, the truth hurts when you can't prove your position :-)
that why INC read diffirent bible to more specific and more understanding what is written not like other church they make onw translation to fits to there teaching i do not want to mention any others church because you are going to just me that i am accusing the other church; like Christ many people do not belief him specially the priest and leaders; i know the trueth its hurt if u cannt fallow dont fallow and dont be a priest always oppose
Since you seem to claim that INC has the authority to use certain Bibles, let me ask you, do you trust the people who compiled the canon of the NT in the 3rd and 4th century?
East is general for east side of the world; there are near easr, middle east and far east. God said be careful what u fallow. Thats why INC read other bible for spisific location: in isa43:5 good news tranlationa: distand east and farwest; may be the distant; middle east or far east but in moffat it is written more spicifict far east. Remember be careful what u fallow if can fallow don't fallow if bible say middle east i be a muslim by now
Yes Isaiah 43:5 does say East. And you are correct in trying to figure out the specific location. That's why we go to the context. Israel was taken captive out of their homeland Israel to eastern lands such as Babylon and Assyria. God says that he will gather his exile children back to Israel. Hence, the context is refering to God delivering his children from captivity in those eastern lands of Babylon. Theres nothing here about a new church reemerging in the Philippines.
U r correct we are plural now that why INC are allover the world in fact 96 countries ( this all glory to Almigty God). Now, we are churches of Christ. Our Lord Jesus Christ built 1st church but it grow to roma, corinthians....and thessalonians does places has follows Christ teaching. They are also call churches of Christ because they are in different location they become plural in one location or one person may say I am member of Church Of Christ
Actually, the plural use of "churches" doesn't support your case at all. The use of the plural would be in reference to a collection of churches, which are identified by their LOCATION, like the Church at Corinth, the Church at Rome, etc. It does not identify them as an institutional or organizational name like INC. Hence, that actually backfired agaisnt you, since you implicitly admitted that Rom 16 doesn't say "Church (singular) of Christ."
You mean to say debunked roman 16:16 thats the word of Almigth God. By the way the roman 16:16 is not for you that is my holy kiss to my brothers and sister in faith (INC). Yes or No answer ;my question is mofatt translation for Isaiah 43:5 ans Yes or No and why; also this lamsa translation for Act 20:28 Yes or No and why
I did not say I debunked Rom 16:16, I said I debunked "INC's use" of Rom 16:16, please be more honest next time. Rom 16 uses the plural "churches" not the singular "church," hence its not talking about an institutional name like INC. Isa 43:5 does not use "far" east based on the hebrew and the context does not support a new church reemerging. Acts 20:28 has at least 3 textual variants, none of which say "Christ," hence it does not support the institutional name INC imposes upon it
Eeeeng!!! The answer is only the Church Of Christ or Iglesia Ni Cristo in filipino. July 27, 1914 ( happy 97th anniversary to all INC members; roman 16:16) from the far east which is the PI and july 27, 1968 richout to the far west which is hawaii and califonia, USA ( Isaiah 43:5 moffat ) know you are saying that moffat translation is wrong (revalation 22:18,19). And your bible is more correct. Open your both eye not one eye.
You did not deal with my previous post. I already made a video debunking INC's use of Isa 43:5. I show how INC takes it completely out of context. Moreover I show what the correct translation is from the Hebrew, and I show that irrespective of the translation, it still would not prove that a new church reemerged. In short, from whatever angle you look at it from it does not support INC. Finally, I debunked Romans 16:16 in my other video, watch it.
.Ako'y Iglesia Ni Cristo.....Question: which church beggin's from fareast of worldt and richout to farwest of world? Did the last messenger oppose written in the bible? but if the church beggin's from west to east part whole world that it 's not written and oppose God word written in bible and who always oppose God?
That's the wrong question. You are presupposing that scripture says a new church will reemerge in the far east, but it doesn't say that. As I have repeatedly shown in my videos, those verses are talking about God gathering his exiled people, Israel, back to their homeland. It has nothing to do with a new church reemerging. Moreover, the original hebrew does not say "far" east, only "east." See my other videos for more information.
other translation “From the distant east and the farthest west . (Isaiah 43:5 GNTD) translated to word east = distant east and to word west = farthest west. in moffat written ....east = far east and west = far west... In our time it is written in history book or other book it say the country in far east and far west...I am proud a member of the CHURCH OF CHRIST
It is written ,Fear not, for I am with thee: I will. bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west. (Isaiah 43:5 DRA)... Seed = member INC... East = PI ... West = west of USA ... I am a member of the church of christ....
I can not be like you proving something...this is reminder to the 1st and last day of INC members; Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. (1 Corinthians 4:6 NIV84) Last messenger of this last day was part of the plan of Almigthy GOD he did not go beyond what is written.... I am proud a member of the
If you cannot prove anything, then why should I believe you? I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Felix Manalo is taught in 1 Cor 4:6, thats just pure eisegesis. And actually, he did go beyond what is written by saying that a new church would emerge in the philippines.
I am a member of the church of christ.... “God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about yout and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way. (Matthew 5:11, 12 NLT).., thank you to all people like you made my faith stronger than ever. The last messenger is a GOD plan for salvation. I am proud a member of
I don't recall persecuting you or INC. All I'm doing in this video is looking at texts that INC offers and I showing how they are misused. Anyone can say they've been persecuted. The Catholic Church is being persecuted in Iraq and Pakistan as we speak. What needs to be shown is whether you are a true church to begin with. That's why I made this video to test INC's claim. Felix Manalo is not salvation. Jesus is.
Ako'y Iglesia Ni Cristo.... Mangagbatian kayo ng banal na halik. Binabati kayo ng lahat ng mga iglesia ni Cristo. (Mga taga Roma 16:16 TLAB).... Mga kapatid ko sa pananampalataya magpatulog tayo mabuhay sa kasaldalam at sa pagiging ganap sa buhay espirituwal ( may kasamang beso-beso ). At nagpapasalamat po ako sa mga kumakalaban sa Iglesia Ni Cristo dahil sa kanila lalong tumatatag ang aking pananampalataya na ang INC ay tunay na iglesia....
these INC are nothing but cult.....i know cause i am a member ....many members almost all are just blind followers ...they also claim that manalo was an angel and he warned the four angels pertaining to the big four of WWI which is really ridiculous...how can he warn them when they were in europe and manalo was in the philippines that time..they cant even argue against a pastor here in tv cause they know they are fake...they even tel the members not to read the bible cause they will be insane
Not ONCE in your entire response did you refute ANYTHING I mentioned in the video. All you did was call me names, which is a FALLACY known as "Ad Hominem" and is a sign of a failed argument. Next time before you run your mouth like an idiot, you should actually bring MEANINGFUL argumentation (but maybe that is too difficult for you). Do better next time :)
Never trust a preacher in a cheap suit, or an expensive suit for that matter.
BSmenot 5 months ago
@BSmenot
HAHAHA
Mkvine 5 months ago
I have listened to appoximately 100 INC sermons. I gave them a chance. Therefore I am not commenting in predjudice. Manalo is a false prophet. This man is vain like other false prophets. A hierarchy of administration headed by nepotism is a clue, and a red flag. INC members hear this. You are being controlled, you are not free. Praise Jesus, and know the bible for yourselves. Vain interpretations are misleading you. Jesus comes to you. Manalo does not lead you to the holy city. Don't be stupid.
BSmenot 5 months ago
@BSmenot
You make a great point. The more I talk to INC people, the more I realize how many of them are blinded by their zeal for their religion. They cannot see very common sense things. No amount of reasoning seems to wake them up, we can only pray for them.
Mkvine 5 months ago
INC is an anacronism for (Ignorance iN aCtion)
BSmenot 5 months ago
@BSmenot
MrRetzel 2 months ago
@BSmenot sa palagay moba kong walang lead ng dyos uunlad ba INC? baka sau ang wala ULOL
MrRetzel 2 months ago
@MrRetzel ooga booga to you too
BSmenot 2 months ago
U fail i am done with u ...I AM PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
After not following the orignal manuscripts, after admitting that Rom 16 does not support an organization name hence debunking INC), after making the blunder that the NT was written in Hebrew, after saying that the Apostle's didn't know Greek, you really have the audacity to say that I failed? Then after all that, you say you are proud? Proud of what, that you make a bunch of factual errors and blunders? That's very deluded thinking.
Mkvine 6 months ago
Whose translation NT canon that will be fall to My 1st question in church research
aliasbarok 6 months ago
Whose translatioan NT canpn
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
The Canon is not a "translation" its a list of books. In other words, I'm asking you how do you know which list books belong in the NT, who compiled this list of books, and do you trust them? I noted no answer...
Mkvine 6 months ago
Like i said some ttanslation of verse mislead to true teaching because they want u lead their religion that my 1st question in my research in other church not like the INC do not have own bible tthat their own bible translated by minister. maybe u r because u r a preist
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
All you have to do is go back to the orignal manuscripts, that should solve all your problems. When you do, you will find out that they do not say "far" east, nor do they say "church of christ." The problem is that you keep wanting to go to "translations" not to the original texts.
Mkvine 6 months ago
Bible is reperence for spiritual Gods word for salvision of ones soul some translation of bible translated to mislead u know the trueth in bible example church of God but God is spirit; no blood that mislead to ones soul that i can not follow that teaching: that way i belief church of christ is acceptable because christ has blood thur his blood he will save his body ( church ) at school u use a book too for human knowledge if studing math u not using history book that wrong teaching ofcause ma
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
That does not answer my 3 questions. Do you understand them or should I explain my questions for you?
Mkvine 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Moreover, you are ignoring what the text says. You are stuck with what it says whether it agrees with your theology or not, or whether you like it or not.
Mkvine 6 months ago
I trush the word of God written in the bible and i will follow His conments also christ teaching. God want to the poelpe to worship Him no other god or idol. Worship God in spirit because God is spirit
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
That does not answer my 3 questions.
Mkvine 6 months ago
If the bible translation is questionable we need to go back basic which is closest to the hebrew. I belief God have a reason before verything
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Yeah and the Hebrew doesn't support your view of "far" east.
Mkvine 6 months ago
As my naleage the aposples and christ are from jerusalem thier language must be hebrew and moses also hebrew both OT and NT Is mist be written in hebrew yes i belief in the bible but i have to be careful because God said be careful wjat you follow and not go beyond to it written... Canon that word in the bible
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Notice what you just did, by saying that the OT and NT were written in Hebrew, you have refuted your own assertion that it was written in "tagalog." Moreover, the NT was not written in Hebrew, we have no manuscript evidence for that. We only have manuscript evidence for the Greek. Furthermore, Jesus and the Apostle's had to speak Greek (as well as Aramaic), since they were communicating with Roman soldiers and Gentile people. Finally, you did not answer my 3 questions.
Mkvine 6 months ago
@aliasbarok Dude wake up man. Check out Acts 20:28 in the original form, from the greek manuscript at biblos.com, click on the greek tab and you can see for yourself. The original texts says "church of God" not "Christ" as in Lamsa's bible so the INC (Church of Christ) should quit using Lamsa's bible to claim that they are God's chosen church.
jasonn2112 5 months ago
@aliasbarok The church of God is also mentioned four other times in th NT (in 1 Corinthians).
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5; which church belief and follow
Christ teacthing which is comanded by Almigthy God?
6; if i can not understand or contradicion in some teacthing i always ask what it means until i understand the whole meaning of it.
This some of my list and category that i am look for true church and salvition for my own soul. It must have all that; not just some but all of that i am look for. I not look after to the member do or what they belief; because everbody is accountable to make a own salvation to A
aliasbarok 6 months ago
5; which church belief and follow
Christ teacthing which is comanded by Almigthy God?
6; if i can not understand or if here is contradicion in some teacthing i always ask what it means until i understand the whole meaning of it.
This some of my list and category that i am look for true church and salvition for my own soul. It must have all that; not just some but all of that i am look for. I not look after to the member do or what they belief; because everbody is accountable to make a own sal
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
That's fine, but it's really irrelevant to my question about the name INC being found in scripture. But since you mention the Bible and the "owner" of the translation, then I must ask you, 1). How do you know which books belong in the NT canon? 2). Who compiled the NT canon? 3). Do you trust them?
Mkvine 6 months ago
This is my all question: I this my own opinion when i was researching the true church; 1; which church belief on the bible with out owner of translation (church publish from their own religion) of the bible? I can eliminate some that i know.Ex: muslim have coran and also .... And so on
2; which church belief there is only one God?
3; which church belief there is a savevior for salvation?
4; which church belief there has a propercies in the bible?
5; which church belief and follow
Christ t
aliasbarok 6 months ago
U need research in hebrew like i said before greek gather all the book and translated in greek but hebrew is thier 2nd language like me english is my 2nd language u r very lucky u still understand me
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
I have no idea of what you're talking about. The OT was written in Hebrew and later in Greek with the Septuagint. None of those use "far" east. The NT was all written in Greek, not "tagalog." The only possible exception was the Gospel of Matthew which Saint Papias said was in Aramaic. If you really think that the NT was originally written in "tagalog" then you have deluded yourself.
Mkvine 6 months ago
Greek is not using far
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
If you're referring to Isaiah 43:5, then that just proves my case. If "Greek is not using far" then that means that Isa 43:5 does not say "far" east. Thanks :-)
Mkvine 6 months ago
Read it if can read in tagalog; Mangagbatian kayo ng banal na halik. Binabati kayo ng lahat ng mga iglesia ni Cristo. (Mga Taga-Roma 16:16 TLAB) christ organice the church why he have 12 aposple and they make it grow to different location what church is not have organisiation. If not organice is not belong to God
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
No, the NT was not written in "tagalog," it was written in Greek. I already explained to you that Rom 16 is not using an organizational name and you admitted to that.
Mkvine 6 months ago
Roman 16:16 and acts 20:28 lamsa u can read church of christ but the other church of christ u mention they had no prophecy in the bible. INC is the prophecy from the bible far east isaih 43:5 moffat but u can not accept it by your belief for not being careful what to follow
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
So the verses you provided are the ones that I have already responded to, and you had nothing to say to my response? That's very weak. To remind you, Rom 16:16 uses the plural, which is referring to a collection of churches, not to an organization name, and you already admitted this. Acts 20:28 has 3 textual variants, none of which use "church of Christ." Isaiah 43 has to do with the regathering of Israel and the hebrew does not use "far" east. Your response? Silence...
Mkvine 6 months ago
Christ is the head and the church his body what you think you? If there is a body without a head can you recognice. CSI if they a case with body out a head they have identify by DNA before they know who is the head . Like u said the church is body of christ and what u going to call; its rigth to call by his name or by what name the other name not by christ; respect . Christ build his church need to by his name not in other name or no name... Church of Christ.... If can not acept the trueth
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
I agree that Christ is the head of his Body. That's not the question, the question is, Can you provide a verse that says the name of the church is INC? You haven't given us any.
Mkvine 6 months ago
Ang kulit nitong tao na to sabi mga iglesia ni cristo hindi ibang iglesia hayyyyy naku sabing kaming mga iglesia ni cristo kami lang ang magbabatoan hindi kasama
aliasbarok 6 months ago
Sorry i am not silly , i am aliasbarok n u can say; aliasbarok comment ( my ice breaker hehehe)
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
I said your comment was silly. Read more carefully next time.
Mkvine 6 months ago
Isaih 43:5 is propelic verse ... Yes it happen already july 14,1914
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Merely asserting that Isa 43:5 is refering to INC is not proof, just an assertion. In order for your assertion to be valid, you need to provide some proof and evidence. So far you have not done this. Moreover, I showed you a negative case for why Isaiah 43 does not refer to INC. You did not respond, hence, you have provided no good reason to believe in your assertion.
Mkvine 6 months ago
Every body can use the what bible you preper but... God say becareful what you fallow... because some translation in the bible lead distraction like i said they translated to fit to their doctrine God makes it happen bacause for a reason
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Yes, we do need to becareful when we use the Bible. You are a perfect example of this, as you have misused scripture passages such as Rom 16, Acts 20:28 and Isa 43:5 to your own destruction. Please treat the word of God with more respect.
Mkvine 6 months ago
The church at roma is belong to christ becuase he biuld church not belong any aposole even they r leader of does church. But they name then church of christ because they preach to follow christ; he is head of the church and church is the body that y they e called by church of christ
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Yes, the Church is the body of Christ, but where does that say that the Name is INC? You are assuming what you yet have to prove. First, you need to show us where in scripture the Name of the church is INC. You have not done this.
Mkvine 6 months ago
U know i am sorry that i make u mad that why i do not want go to beyond what its written. But the true is hurt...Yap u r correct church at roma and other location what kind of church they r? U mean to say they just a church or u mean to they r church of aposole Pual or aposole Peter because they lead the church in that location. Does church has a name?
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Asking whether the Church has a name is NOT proof that it does have one. At most its just a question. You are the one claiming that the Church is called INC, therefore the burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence. The only text you brought forth was Rom 16, which you implicitly admitted that its not talking about an organizational Name. Thus far, you have not provided any evidence, so yes, the truth hurts when you can't prove your position :-)
Mkvine 6 months ago
May be u r a preist.... I AM A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST. Aliasbarok
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Silly comment.
Mkvine 6 months ago
that why INC read diffirent bible to more specific and more understanding what is written not like other church they make onw translation to fits to there teaching i do not want to mention any others church because you are going to just me that i am accusing the other church; like Christ many people do not belief him specially the priest and leaders; i know the trueth its hurt if u cannt fallow dont fallow and dont be a priest always oppose
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Since you seem to claim that INC has the authority to use certain Bibles, let me ask you, do you trust the people who compiled the canon of the NT in the 3rd and 4th century?
Mkvine 6 months ago
East is general for east side of the world; there are near easr, middle east and far east. God said be careful what u fallow. Thats why INC read other bible for spisific location: in isa43:5 good news tranlationa: distand east and farwest; may be the distant; middle east or far east but in moffat it is written more spicifict far east. Remember be careful what u fallow if can fallow don't fallow if bible say middle east i be a muslim by now
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Yes Isaiah 43:5 does say East. And you are correct in trying to figure out the specific location. That's why we go to the context. Israel was taken captive out of their homeland Israel to eastern lands such as Babylon and Assyria. God says that he will gather his exile children back to Israel. Hence, the context is refering to God delivering his children from captivity in those eastern lands of Babylon. Theres nothing here about a new church reemerging in the Philippines.
Mkvine 6 months ago
U r correct we are plural now that why INC are allover the world in fact 96 countries ( this all glory to Almigty God). Now, we are churches of Christ. Our Lord Jesus Christ built 1st church but it grow to roma, corinthians....and thessalonians does places has follows Christ teaching. They are also call churches of Christ because they are in different location they become plural in one location or one person may say I am member of Church Of Christ
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
Actually, the plural use of "churches" doesn't support your case at all. The use of the plural would be in reference to a collection of churches, which are identified by their LOCATION, like the Church at Corinth, the Church at Rome, etc. It does not identify them as an institutional or organizational name like INC. Hence, that actually backfired agaisnt you, since you implicitly admitted that Rom 16 doesn't say "Church (singular) of Christ."
Mkvine 6 months ago
You mean to say debunked roman 16:16 thats the word of Almigth God. By the way the roman 16:16 is not for you that is my holy kiss to my brothers and sister in faith (INC). Yes or No answer ;my question is mofatt translation for Isaiah 43:5 ans Yes or No and why; also this lamsa translation for Act 20:28 Yes or No and why
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
I did not say I debunked Rom 16:16, I said I debunked "INC's use" of Rom 16:16, please be more honest next time. Rom 16 uses the plural "churches" not the singular "church," hence its not talking about an institutional name like INC. Isa 43:5 does not use "far" east based on the hebrew and the context does not support a new church reemerging. Acts 20:28 has at least 3 textual variants, none of which say "Christ," hence it does not support the institutional name INC imposes upon it
Mkvine 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
See my videos for my information, watch?v=2lc-Z1-bKrw
and watch?v=9-Y8yYqo1Q0&feature=related
and watch?v=D6eu-69-Cwg&feature=related
Mkvine 6 months ago
Eeeeng!!! The answer is only the Church Of Christ or Iglesia Ni Cristo in filipino. July 27, 1914 ( happy 97th anniversary to all INC members; roman 16:16) from the far east which is the PI and july 27, 1968 richout to the far west which is hawaii and califonia, USA ( Isaiah 43:5 moffat ) know you are saying that moffat translation is wrong (revalation 22:18,19). And your bible is more correct. Open your both eye not one eye.
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
You did not deal with my previous post. I already made a video debunking INC's use of Isa 43:5. I show how INC takes it completely out of context. Moreover I show what the correct translation is from the Hebrew, and I show that irrespective of the translation, it still would not prove that a new church reemerged. In short, from whatever angle you look at it from it does not support INC. Finally, I debunked Romans 16:16 in my other video, watch it.
Mkvine 6 months ago
.Ako'y Iglesia Ni Cristo.....Question: which church beggin's from fareast of worldt and richout to farwest of world? Did the last messenger oppose written in the bible? but if the church beggin's from west to east part whole world that it 's not written and oppose God word written in bible and who always oppose God?
aliasbarok 6 months ago
@aliasbarok
That's the wrong question. You are presupposing that scripture says a new church will reemerge in the far east, but it doesn't say that. As I have repeatedly shown in my videos, those verses are talking about God gathering his exiled people, Israel, back to their homeland. It has nothing to do with a new church reemerging. Moreover, the original hebrew does not say "far" east, only "east." See my other videos for more information.
Mkvine 6 months ago
other translation “From the distant east and the farthest west . (Isaiah 43:5 GNTD) translated to word east = distant east and to word west = farthest west. in moffat written ....east = far east and west = far west... In our time it is written in history book or other book it say the country in far east and far west...I am proud a member of the CHURCH OF CHRIST
aliasbarok 7 months ago
It is written ,Fear not, for I am with thee: I will. bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west. (Isaiah 43:5 DRA)... Seed = member INC... East = PI ... West = west of USA ... I am a member of the church of christ....
aliasbarok 7 months ago
I can not be like you proving something...this is reminder to the 1st and last day of INC members; Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. (1 Corinthians 4:6 NIV84) Last messenger of this last day was part of the plan of Almigthy GOD he did not go beyond what is written.... I am proud a member of the
aliasbarok 7 months ago
@aliasbarok
If you cannot prove anything, then why should I believe you? I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Felix Manalo is taught in 1 Cor 4:6, thats just pure eisegesis. And actually, he did go beyond what is written by saying that a new church would emerge in the philippines.
Mkvine 7 months ago
lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers.matthew5:11 NLT ... I am a member of the church of christ.
aliasbarok 7 months ago
@aliasbarok
It's one thing to assert it, its another thing to prove it. So far you haven't proven anything.
Mkvine 7 months ago
I am a member of the church of christ.... “God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about yout and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way. (Matthew 5:11, 12 NLT).., thank you to all people like you made my faith stronger than ever. The last messenger is a GOD plan for salvation. I am proud a member of
aliasbarok 7 months ago
@aliasbarok
I don't recall persecuting you or INC. All I'm doing in this video is looking at texts that INC offers and I showing how they are misused. Anyone can say they've been persecuted. The Catholic Church is being persecuted in Iraq and Pakistan as we speak. What needs to be shown is whether you are a true church to begin with. That's why I made this video to test INC's claim. Felix Manalo is not salvation. Jesus is.
Mkvine 7 months ago
Ako'y Iglesia Ni Cristo.... Mangagbatian kayo ng banal na halik. Binabati kayo ng lahat ng mga iglesia ni Cristo. (Mga taga Roma 16:16 TLAB).... Mga kapatid ko sa pananampalataya magpatulog tayo mabuhay sa kasaldalam at sa pagiging ganap sa buhay espirituwal ( may kasamang beso-beso ). At nagpapasalamat po ako sa mga kumakalaban sa Iglesia Ni Cristo dahil sa kanila lalong tumatatag ang aking pananampalataya na ang INC ay tunay na iglesia....
aliasbarok 7 months ago
@aliasbarok
I would appreciate it if you write your comments in English. I speak English and my video is in English. Thanks.
Mkvine 7 months ago
no they are cult ....they are a gang ...a very organized gang....
jinglenene1000 9 months ago
these INC are nothing but cult.....i know cause i am a member ....many members almost all are just blind followers ...they also claim that manalo was an angel and he warned the four angels pertaining to the big four of WWI which is really ridiculous...how can he warn them when they were in europe and manalo was in the philippines that time..they cant even argue against a pastor here in tv cause they know they are fake...they even tel the members not to read the bible cause they will be insane
elfili77 1 year ago
is not because on his face.. that u cannot believe.. but the doctrine..
Thea0009 1 year ago
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hula sa 2 tes. 2:4 MB natupad na!!!
"kakalabanin niya ang lahat ng sinasamba ng tao at ipinalalagay na banal"
(tipunin nyo ang lahat ng pastor sa luneta)
"itataas niya ang kanyang sarili"
(ako lang nman ang pastor na nagtuturo ng puro nakasulat. ang mga apostol nagkakamali pero ako hindi nagkakamali)
"papasok siya sa templo ng Diyos, uupo roon at ipapahayag sa siya ay dios
(kasama ko dios pati ako dios na rin)
saktong sakto ang katuparan kay SORIANO.
diosmaypuwit 1 year ago
Coward!!! This is the only thing you can do,but in a debate you cannot refute and cannot defend your claim.
Loser,this voice,sounds like the voice of a loser named Carl Keating,lol!
MrManipakyaw 1 year ago
@MrManipakyaw
Not ONCE in your entire response did you refute ANYTHING I mentioned in the video. All you did was call me names, which is a FALLACY known as "Ad Hominem" and is a sign of a failed argument. Next time before you run your mouth like an idiot, you should actually bring MEANINGFUL argumentation (but maybe that is too difficult for you). Do better next time :)
Mkvine 1 year ago