Abortion Protesters Hugh & Ron: in Rocky River / Cleveland, Ohio August 13, 2009

[dakotajoman]

Instead of making complete fools of yourselves go and help the poor and down trodden. It's what Jesus would do.

[wiccanmoonman]

I going to shoot both Hugh and Ron in their heads.

[Pikesterful]

This is so amusing, Listen to that stupid old arrogant and ignorant fart shout over every single person and their opinions. And everytime someone simply asks a question or dispute why you are there, you start accusing people of assault and harrassment. Your a bunch of idiots. Your quite agressive towards everyone, and that woman justified quite clearly her decisions for having and abortion, one of many, and you blatantly ignored what she said. your in denial and brain washed with religious ways

[VoiceOfModeration]

//Do you believe that an atheist tax payer should have a choice to not fund churches?//

Yes. The state shouldnt encroach on religion, nor religion on the state. //Or how bout the billionaire...//I dont believe in corporate welfare whatsoever, and the same for higher education institutions. //How about a war I dont support...//War is a government decision, not a personal decision. If you're going to say "her body, her choice" - then how come you think other people besides her should pay for it?

[xxNibiNekomataxx]

So let me get this straight

You are an atheist but you act like a right wing christian?

I'm not sure if you are being serious or trolling here.

[VoiceOfModeration]

@xxNibiNekomataxx Hey man, Im also non-religious but believe in pro-life. Also, look into the journalist Christopher Hitchens. He's a pro-life atheist. Type it in google, lots of secular people believe in pro-life.

[Lady0Pamela]

What were you videoing taping the non confrontational woman in the red car for?

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: I wasn't there my name is Patrick read the title thanks…;)

Oh and that's that Lawyer that doesn't exist in the tie and glasses with the goatee…

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist You post the video of those "cowards", I mean they won't say their names, they won't answer questions. If they were any other person but your buddies on your side, you would bully them into non-existence

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: Look they aren't the most articulate they are older and so this is their response when they feel threatened it's not the way I would have responded Ed and I have had several calm and cool mutually respectful conversations but atleast their heart is in the right place.

These are responses from my iPhone4 while watching TV or out and about in the car before I get out and go into a business or while I am doing the circle of life in the bathroom like now so the grammar suffers…

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist So because they are old it's okay to not give their names, but when you belittle a 15 year old it's just ammo. Of course you and Ed have good conversations, you're cut from the same fabric of life. Maybe they shouldn't go out with out you, they aren't your best representation. They need you as a body guard.

Well if you know that grammar suffers from your phone maybe you shouldn't name call when someone says they were confused by what you wrote.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: Again that kid was in his early 20s not 15 that was just me teasing him about his size.

Ed the Lawyer that wants us to stay away from the front of the building is cut from the same cloth as I am in what way you lost me?

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist Again it doesn't matter, you used your size and age to bully him, you weren't teasing him, you were bullying. You could have just left them alone to handle their protest which they are legally in their rights to do, but instead you harrassed them.

You both have a tendency to bully the weaker, that is your common cloth. You can't bully each other though.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: What would keep me from bullying Ed if I were so inclined you lost me?

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist Probably the fact he would bully you back. He isn't a kid, or a senior citizen.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: He would?…lol. Ed is in his 50s I believe and I am a good 7+ inches taller than he is so no there is no chance of that.

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist Ah so again proving you bully those you find weaker then you so you can feel safer in doing so. I guess the only thing you and Ed have in common is bulling the weaker ones.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: I have never in my life backed down from anyone regardless of the size or the strength of the person. Not only does that apply to the big and strong it also applies to the little, weak, and foolish meaning if a Woman acts like a Man I will treat her like one and any hitting of any kind will be returned.

Now this is never necessary because I have learned a long time ago that if a Woman threatens to hit you convincing her that you will hit back stops her from actually doing it.

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist You say you don't back down from the big and strong, but you focused on explaining what you do when a woman dares to act like a man.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: My point was clear I don't back down from the big and strong but I don't let the little and weak off the hook either.

My motto is if you don't want hit don't hit which I think is more than fair…

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist Yep being strong bully. Keep it up, one day you just might met your match, I hope you will video tape it.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: Being a Bully means you just pick on people weaker than you whereas I don't back down from anyone and treat everyone the same.

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist Whatever you say bully, I have only seen you bully the weaker, so I can't really judge that. However I can see you haven't done much bullying lately, last video was uploaded 8 months ago.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: Ohhhhh how that stings…lol! Three excellent reasons for that. 1. It's hot and even when I was an Athlete I always hated the heat! 2. My extremely successful career has a down side that it is time consuming. 3. We share a meal at BK or Wendys and the last time one of the Protesters began to speak about how the shit goes from the houses in Japan into a drainage ditch when asked not to by a Customer he was rude to her and continued so I told him off and left before I got angry.

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist Of course you have excuses. 1. Fat boys don't like the heat. 2. Who are you? 3. The protestors what do longer like you cause you bullied one of them?

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: I keep forgetting that you aren't to be taken seriously and so I mistakenly show you respect enough to honestly answer your pointless observations.

You are a coward who hides behind your computer that doesn't even have to courage to post a Pic of themselves or make a Video how sad indeed.

Lastly I ask you what I ask alot of people like you what have you ever done to stand up for what you believe in?…I must be Psychic because I already know the answer…lol!

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist I haven't taken you seriously this whole time, and respect, you don't show that to anyone from what I can tell, and I am not about to give you any. Call me whatever you like, your opinion means nothing. I don't have to post a picture of myself or post some video, those are for you falsely arrogant sob's. I leave that to you. I don't have to brag about what I do for my beliefs. Believe what you will, I already know you planned to do that from the beginning.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: Oh no problem sweety I knew you were some net freak shut in that lives vicariously through others by way of YouTube, Chat Rooms and other various net forms of communication and don't worry this doesn't shock me at all I have come to accept this over the last 12 years before that I had just heard the rumors. One clue to this was the fact that every time I posted a response to one of your comments you would post ten more in rapid fire almost always instantaneous…hard to keep up!;)

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist See I knew you would create a very unique back story for me. Love the use of sweety to try and degrade me as a woman, nice touch. Seriously exaggerations though on the number of comments I posted? I can understand you being impressed by my typing speed and unable to keep up, but to fudge the number of comments I would put to a post is above and beyond. Let me give you some advice boy, give up the fictional insults they don't work as well as using reality.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela:  If I am anything at all it's a perfect judge of people I can read people like books and size them up in an instant with minimal contact and info and I have you pegged whether or not you admit it to me or even fully to yourself deep...deep...deep down you know I am correct in my evaluation of your basic situation and overall character.

If you really want to get at some you don't make up childish lies and insults you simply state the truth in a blunt and unflinching manner…[=^\|/}

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist Well hate to break it to you, not that you will ever realize it, but you are the worse judge of character I have ever met. That is the beauty of this for you though isn't it. You can tell yourself you are a perfect judge of character and believe it. You still can't egg me on to tell you any of my personal details, I don't have to prove a thing to you. All you do are childish lies and insults, no truth.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: Well I guess you are taking the high road and are above showing even a little evidence that your not a shut in living through the Net and completely lacking social skills or contributing to society or that you are an ugly beast.

I solute your courage and integrity in this matter…unless of course this is all just a half baked cowardly excuse…?

No No I am sure you are being virtuous.

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist I adore how you are trying to go away from the issue at hand. Which is you don't understand what being prochoice is, or why people feel that the choice is needed to be legal. That you method of being prolife is to invade others privacies that you have judged as not being worthy and to resort to the bullying of others. My reason for personally attacking you was to show you that it does nothing for an argument on an issue. You can continue to bully, but it won't help your side

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Lady0Pamela: YouTube is acting a little whacky so I have had to work at getting a response to you I hope this hasn't caused any undue stress.

You simply dodged my question so I will patiently wait for a straight answer…

[Lady0Pamela]

@ConservativeAtheist Wow didn't realize that was a real question, should have remembered who I am dealing with. Once again I haven't advertised my personal life and welcomed you into it. You are the one putting yourself out there. Whether you salute me or not means nothing to me.

[VoiceOfModeration]

@Lady0Pamela I have a sincere question for you. Do you believe that pro-life taxpayers should have a "Choice"? Or do you believe the idea of "state-funded Choice" makes sense and isn't cognitively dissonant?

[Lady0Pamela]

@VoiceOfModeration I have a sincere question for you. Do you believe that an atheist tax payer should have a choice to not fund churches? Or do you believe the idea of "state-funded religion" makes sense and isn't congnitely dissonant? Or how about the billioniare who received 52 millionin tax payer money to pay for a parking lot for his art musuem? Or a $110k to go to a superintendent for finishing his doctorate and getting a $5,000 raise when I can't even go to college.

[VoiceOfModeration]

@LYou didn't answer my question. You just change the subject and this is the same kind of response I get every time I ask someone whose inconsistently pro-choice that question. Don't you realize that the fact you're upset about your taxes funding certain things only makes you on the same page with me? But yet you think it's an argument against it? I just wanted to know if you were a respectable and consistent pro-choicer like Gov Johnson or VP Biden. But it appears you're just another hypocrite.

[Lady0Pamela]

@VoiceOfModeration I thought stating all the things I hate paying for yet have no real choice in was an answer. Maybe I need to be clearer with you. I wish choice could go to tax payer issues but clearly it is left to majority, house or public health/needs. You can call me a hypocrite, but you are. I believe in choice, but not even I get a choice all the time. Why should you get the choice on tax payer money when I am sure you enjoy things I wouldn't want to pay for and vice versa.

[VoiceOfModeration]

@Lady0Pamela LOL, so politics for you is just a tug of war where both sides try to piss off the other side by making them pay for things they hate. Abortion divides America like a shovel going through a pumpkin. Understand? 1 out of every 2 people you know thinks abortion is murder. You understand? Please acknowledge and fix your hypocrisy, it's frustrating to see so many pro-abortion people who think they're pro-choice. Other then this, there's not much else I can do to help you.

[Lady0Pamela]

@VoMo That is your problem you thinking you are helping people, when clearly you are not. I actually don't know any anti-choicers personally. I know people who don't like abortion but are non-judgemental in the decisions of others as they are not them. Yes, politics is a pissing contest, clearly you drink lots of water.

[Lady0Pamela]

@VoiceOfModeration How about the board of education getting tax payer money to keep the lawsuits against them hush hush. How about tax payer money going to pay for the very pesticides that are making our kids sick and killing us? Do you want to continue the dance of crap my tax payer money goes to that I think is wrong? How about a war I don't support or believin, by the way I am a vet, and not enough tax dollars go to helping us get back to normal after we are sent to fight the wars.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@lOtakul: Seeing is believing…?

The type of situation you speak of is far less than 1% of the Abortions committed every year but being the typical Liberal that you are you point out the relatively rare situation and act like it's the usual reason for Abortions and base your arguments on these false emotionally driven assumptions!

My Brother and I both were suppose to die in Child birth yet we are both here and healthy as horses!

[switchbladesaint16]

Back in the fall of 1992, i aborted 3 kittens. thumbs up if you agree :)

[ConservativeAtheist]

@switchbladesaint16: Again your comments show you aren't to bright.

[ELconchesumare]

Excellent cause. Let's just get someone who is capable of communicating with people and effectively spread the word. That versus using an old man who sounds like he is missing his false teeth and is yelling at anyone even if they are interesting in knowing more and the other dude who just goes silent when he is asked questions.

[MissKSE]

All talk until the cops come around, and then they're both kiss-ass.

[skybreaker09]

GOD! Ron is an asshole.

[ihavenothing0000]

@ConservativeAtheist Geezus this is a pretty awful way to treat people, i'm anti abortion and all, but i would get pretty angry if there were people like this. I know some people were being rude to the two protesters, but they seem they just like to anger people for YouTube then get their points across. At first, there was that really nice guy who wanted to know more about the cause, and they just tried to make him angry on camera. Also, they freakin back sassed the police officer.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@ihavenothing0000: I don't agree with how they handled this situation and I have told them this as well.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@hatpat24: You are no Doctor you are some little kid on the net…lol

[loner1878]

These videos make me proud to be an abortion clinic escort. Reminds me of why I need to be out there every week helping patients get past the fanatic protestors.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@loner1878: Well every instance of violence I have personally seen was initiated by the Pro-Abortion Fanatics.

[loner1878]

@ConservativeAtheist

If the people filmed in your videos are your standard for "pro abortion fanatics" - LMAO

All I see are rightfully outraged citizens standing up to ignorant thugs outside a medical clinic harrasing women.

[EmperorDesiden]

@ConservativeAtheist Don't delude yourself, moron. If you think abortion is wrong, deal with in a civilized way. Don't harass others, because, at the end of the day, you only manage to make yourself look like a bunch of insensitive jackasses.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@EmperorDesiden: Actually you are the moron otherwise you would know that non-violent Protest is a civilized way of dealing with a social ill and is part of the proud history of this country.

[canadianskye1964]

who's being confrontational? 2 old southern farts (inbred i bet -our parents were sibiings who gave birth to you & grew up eating dirt) harassing people who walk by or sit in cars.

the women said she was diagnosed w cancer by pp & you you yelled back about abortion.

i guess women's health means nothing to you old farts. that is what is evil about antis-they are so paranoid about abortion-they will try to shut down any place that offers other health care services for women,

[Gino0]

you guys are a bunch of toools

you guys get scaredd and shitt because soon enough you guys will get justified by someone just like this gentlemen. and all you guys can do is to tell him to go away like..you guys are ridicolous ahahah

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Gino0: Well again I wasn't there and I don't know why the told him to go away?

Justified? I am not sure that you know what that word means.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@bricktrevor: That I can't answer I wasn't there.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@bricktrevor: I am an Atheist so I don't believe in God nor do I care about what he supposedly wants or says although according to your logic not only should we allow Abortion we should allow Murder and Rape and everything else because it's all part of Gods plan.

Has anyone ever told you that you are a Dope?

[764amc08]

so when people take the slightest intreset in what your saying you start to insult them? how does that get the message out?

[ConservativeAtheist]

@764amc08: Their reactions to this guy didn't make sense to me but I wasn't there so I can't day what happened before they began filming?

[764amc08]

@ConservativeAtheist Then you should probably not associate with people that should be left in a retirement home.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@764amc08: I associate with people who hold the same views as myself.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@steven10177: Making light of child molestation won't be tolerated so you are welcome to say whatever you like but using children like this in an argument will get you blocked next time.

[jo05dk]

A religious notcase telling someone else to go to school?!? Man what a joke!

If there's any justice these religious morons will be beaten up and taken a good piss on.Scum like that needs to be taught a lesson.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@jo05dk: You have my personal invite to come on down and I will personally kick your ass! (20800 Center Ridge Rd., Rocky River, Ohio) I will be there between (10:00am-11:30pm on Saturday: 11/12/2010).

[PartyForEquality]

@ConservativeAtheist ...the words of a Christian??? And is this guy yelling at the kid, because he feels the kid is harrassing them? What a joke...a hypocrit to God, and with his own actions

[pasen0]

at the end of the day unless you are some sort of mind reader you don't know why anyone is there. I refer to my private message and leave you with this thought maybe the next woman you film might end up in situation I was in, being found by someone she was trying to escape from and lets just hope she is as lucky as I was and lives because her death would be down to you filming people you shouldn't be I was doing my bit to help animals she might be a councillor or anything for all you know

[pasen0]

They are just attention seekers, "filming for their protection" and "only filming people who are confrontational" funny the mail guy was on film and the lady in the car who didn't say a word to them. What it has to do with them I have no idea, some people have no other alternative but to have a termination. I wonder why two old men would go out of their way to make people miserable on one of the worse days of their lives? who are they to tell anyone what to do with their body?

[ConservativeAtheist]

@pasen0: Well they are no one to tell anyone what to do with their body unfortunately there is another human beings body involved and everyone has the right to try and protect an innocent human life,

[pasen0]

@ConservativeAtheist my issue is the privacy aspect, taping people is wrong. I do not agree with the later stage abortions that take place there but I realise that in some cases it is a better choice... take women who have been raped or subjected to incest would you rather have them be forced to go to term suffer the emotional and mental torture of re-living that every day? not to mention the emotional state of the child knowing who would then be a dependent on the state ?

[ConservativeAtheist]

@pasen0: Your simply showing your ignorance of the issue. In the past (Rape, Incest, Life of the Mother) was permitted and the Abortions were performed by the womans OBGYN so that argument has no standing.

Most people in this country agreed with me when polled that things should go back to that standard I just mentioned it's why Liberals don't want it put to a vote even though they claim they want the will of the people.

[pasen0]

@ConservativeAtheist i have sent you a pm on this matter i hope you can see my point

[pasen0]

@ConservativeAtheist its not as easy as just going to obgyn, look up a video called dad confronts pro lifer his child had a genetic defect and would not have survived, they were referred so the poor woman would not have to wait for an appointment with a dead baby in her womb

[ConservativeAtheist]

@pasen0: Again situations like that were allowed in the past so that argument doesn't stand.

Over 99% of Abortions are Abortions of convenience.

[Bloodius]

@ConservativeAtheist Do you have proof of these statistics in proper documentation? And not some internet search you did, I mean REAL in hand copy of the statement signed by the legal party that searched it.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Bloodius: What stats are you referring to and who has what you claim to require? I believe the answer is no one...lol

How old are you genius? Without even looking I am going to guess you are some kid.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@Bloodius: You are 24 according to you and after looking at your page I understand…lol!

[Bloodius]

@ConservativeAtheist Yeah, that didn't answer anything. Go you, sir, you've proven my point.

[wandererwillow]

Save the life of unborn children so they can grow up and get into a car wreck due to pro-lifers that are blocking the view of a busy road! That's how you do it!

[ConservativeAtheist]

@wandererwillow: So your against all protesting or just the protesting you disagree with? That's like saying I am for Free Speech but only the Free Speech I agree with…that's illogical.

[dutchdan]

Hahahhahahahahahahaha, you guys are fucking ridiculous. Glad to know that you are just bumming around on street corners being instead of actually doing anything concrete to force your twisted meddling persona upon the world.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@dutchdan: Of course you don't understand why they do this or what they hope to gain from it because you have never stood up for anything you believe in assuming that you believe in anything.

[dutchdan]

@ConservativeAtheist

Nice try, pal, 'because you have never stood up for anything', and how would you know that, you don't know me and I've never filmed myself 'never standing up for anything'.

Yet you have filmed yourself over and over again harassing people who annoy you by doing something they think they should be able to whilst you think that because some misplaced feeling of superiority.

I believe in few things, one of them is the believe that you should mind your own business.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@dutchdan: Saving innocent lives is everyones business.

[dutchdan]

@ConservativeAtheist

You sir, you are not saving lives. Paramedics, firefighters and brave people like that save lives.

You, you are merely inflicting the beliefs which you hold (and which you are totally in your right to hold as a free man) upon others in such a way that it obstructs, conflicts and intrudes into their personal lives, a particular part of other people's existence in which you have no right to be, let alone to try and conform to your own beliefs.

That, is what you do. Bah.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@dutchdan: If you truly believe that then you should work to ban protests of any kind and of you would also want to ban Freedom of the Press which intrudes far more into peopled lives than I do!

Of course all of our laws are the majority forcing everyone else into living by rules they see fit but overturning all of our laws might be a bit more difficult to achieve.

[skitza333]

Wow, those old guys are rude. That guy in the black shirt just wanted to know what was going on, and that lady at the start lived because of that clinic.

[fallenfromgrace3]

i would like to marry the "retard" in the black shirt.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@fallenfromgrace3: What makes you think either one of these two Men would want to marry you my plastic superficial little DingBat friend?

Perhaps if you thought of someone beside yourself you would find others devoting time to this so odd?

[antoniomteixeira]

That old guy is an ass!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop publishing this videos, YOU'RE EMBARRASSING ALL PRO-LIFERS

[CatholicCoatHanger]

Thanks Ron , thank Hugh ..... thanks for your dedication to our cause.

[diamondmotor969]

But that does not make things right does it though? Not much heart in attacking and trying to belittle others as they often try and do. Sad. Only makes them look the fool.

[diamondmotor969]

Why is it that every time someone asks Ron and Hugh a question they attack?? What was that lovely comment to the woman in the beginning of the tape that was bleeped? Or the young man who asked a question politely and all they knew how to do was try and insult him? Try and make him out to be the idiot? Where was the intelligent explanation to the young man? We all know.

[ConservativeAtheist]

@diamondmotor969: As I told someone else I don't know all of the facts of the situation and although I might not agree with their aproach their hearts are in the right place.

[resistanceunion]

Those people asking you questions are nice and you are acting like 4 year old morrons.

[ConservativeAtheist]

I am not present for this Video so I don't know all of the facts.

[joyville2]

I wonder if you ever protest war, the making of horrible weapons, and sending people to harm others and destroy property and the environment.?

[ConservativeAtheist]

It depends if I support that particular war or not. Only extremist fools oppose or support every war.

[vmgarden]

Thank Rocky River Police for protecting crazies- these extremist endangering

working people inside planned parenthood. I guess the Taliban is alive and well in Rocky River

[ConservativeAtheist]

I am a giant so I need no protecting.

Secondly how is any workers in there being endangered by signs?

Third when you claim peaceful protesters are like the Taliban you lose all credibility. I have noticed that anyone that disagrees with Liberals are usually called Nazis but I guess you have modernized the stupidity.

Most violence is directed toward the Protesters not from them in fact two in Michigan were just shot by a Pro-Choice Crazy!

[ConservativeAtheist]

Continued:

it's actually the Liberals who are the Violent Fascists. I remember after Prop-8 was passed watching an old Christian Woman be attacked by an entire croud of Liberal Gays that saw her Christian sign that said something like Jesus Saves.

Oh one last irony the Nazis were actually Left Wing Extremists. The Nazi Party = (The National Socialist Party).

[theendofconfusion]

If you think that is harassment, then you are a very weak person.

[ConservativeAtheist]

Well again I am not there and haven't even watched this Video all the way through.

Most videos are mine but a few recent ones aren't.

[theendofconfusion]

Do you get the permission of the patients you film entering the clinic?

[ConservativeAtheist]

We don't legally need it the only state with laws against this is California.

[mykidsdad36]

********* Correction*********

Sorry, in my last post on the last line, where I was saying tell people why you feel something is wrong? I hit the wrong key and said "fell" instead of "feel"

***Just wanted to post a correction***

[mykidsdad36]

Hey patrick, why were these guys so hard on the young guy with the Black hat? He seemed to just be curious and wanted to ask questions, and I must say he was more respectful than most are.I personally don't mind answering questions when I'm out there on the streets as long as the people are sincere and respestful.After all thats one of the reasons you go out there, to educate, and in order to educate sometimes you have to answer questions and tell people why you fell something is wrong? Right?

[ConservativeAtheist]

I agree 100%! I don't know why they acted as they did unfortunately I wasn't there.