The Bible allows slavery and multiple wives. It demands that fornicators be stoned to death. You *do not* get your morals from the Bible. You get them from the same place the rest of us do, the society we live in, which is the same place the Bible got *it's* morals.
If atheism is so bad, I wonder if the maker of the video has ever considered that he/she is also an atheist?
I presume since they are advancing a christian world view that they do not believe in zeus, apollo, vishnu, allah, or the dali lama. That makes them an atheist as well.
So, by their logic. being an atheist is bad, christians are atheists to other religions, ergo, christianity is bad.
If you can't believe my logic, how could you possibly believe his. Unless of course you are nuts.
Science is looking into these subjects as we speak. Soon there will be explanations for lots of these things. Also, humans are other animals. Why would you think anything different? What's so wrong about being part of the animal kingdom? Can animals not be moral? Why the distinction?
Be saved from my intellect? Seriously? I really hope that didn't mean what it looks to mean. You may as well become Muslim because Muslims would want you to throw away reason and blindly believe in their god. Seriously. C'mon guys, even if there is a god it would probably want you to use the brain it gave you.
We are so stupid that we committed a sin against good so the only thing we can be is evil. Luckily the sin we committed was bound to the flesh, and all other sins we commit are bound to flesh. God found the possibility to save us and destroy the sins we commit. He could only do that by becoming flesh himself. Jesus who is God died for our stupidity so that everyone who believes in him will live for eternity. Praise the saviour!
Yes God is so moral that he destroyed millions, millions who were created imperfect, given free will and then blamed for being imperfect. Morality has existed far longer then Christianity. For God so loved the world that he sacrificed himself to himself to save us all from his own rath for a mistake he made centuries earlier.
@Danmill23 Lately, I've been using the term "non-theist" in my dialogue. It seems to get through a little better, especially since theists seem to have some difficulty with what you would think is simple and clear english.
God help us all if God is the only one able to make Moral Prescriptions. I would love somebody to deny Richard Dawkin's Claim that “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
Ill deny it. All those are human concepts, and human standards and interpretations of how we think God should behave. Half of which aren't true, and the other half nonsense.
Can I play too? Can I make up some standards, hold you to them, then judge you as a bad person for not behaving the way "I" think you ought to behave?
Pick one of those characteristics and I can show you how its either untrue, or a nonsense standard to hold God to.
@girzwald3 I present the Euthyphro Dilemma then. Socrates asked "Is something Pius because the Gods say they are, or do the Gods say something is Pius because they are?"
If you take the stance that Piety is good because the Gods say it is so, you are making a Might Makes Right fallacy, and declaring that God makes Morality Arbitrarily.
If you take the stance that God likes Piety because it is good, then God is unnecessary for Morality, and Morality can be derived by Non-Godly agents.
You did not present one of the things from dawkins list. As I asked. As you asked someone to deny. The "Euthyphro Dilemma" was not part of dawkins list or your post.
You went off track. Try again. Pick one from the dawkins list from your post or don't post anything at all.
@girzwald3 You're trying to say that God is Exempt from Human Morals. I am assuming you think you can justify God committing Genocide or jealousy or misogyny, bloodthirst, ect.? It was God's Moral Exception that Euthyphro's Dilemma removes. If you honestly don't think God's ever done anything that would be evil by human morals, then I'd love to have you justify the Flood(or do you consider that story a metaphor?)
The only other rule is that for the sake of this argument, we are assuming God is real, and his word is true and law. Otherwise, I shall not play, and don't bother putting forth one of those characteristics for me to tackle on.
Also, if nature is Uninformative, explain Chaos theory. Explain Entropy. Explain Heat Death.
That's right, you can't, because nature isn't uniform. The sun will eventually burn out. When that happens, all life on earth will cease to exist. When it collapses in on itself, a black hole will likely form, and all the matter that was once the Earth will most likely be sucked into the singularity that is created. Nature is chaotic. Uniformity is only temporary.
So, you're saying that all humans should be slaves to what God says, since he is our overlord, knows all, sees all, and knows everything that will happen. And because of that, it's perfectly okay to rape un-betrothed virgins, (so long as you marry them after and pay their dads 50 shekels of silver) Stone homosexuals, stone adulterers, kill apostates, kill kids, and all of the other fun shit God did in the Old Testament, right?
hes pretty good at creating morals right...oh wait what about the dark ages and holy wars...and what about the thousands of people god slaughtered in the bible...god ordered Moses to kill more then 3000 people for worshiping a god other then him..god is the furthest thing from logic. he suggest magic which is obviously not logical...do some fucking research you ignorant christian.
If God is pure logic, then God is mathmatical..? As Math is based on pure logic and can not be disputed. That's atleast what I could concluded what's been said here... in a broad spectrum.
@OriEy7 it never said slavery is good but it said that slave should be obedient to their masters so that their masters would see the gospel through them and turn to God. It never allowed rape, this is totally false. And what you call murder i call punishment for the wicked. You see Gods eyes are so pure that each act of sin are so horrific to him.
"When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."
Murder, Slavery, robbery and clearly implied rape.
@yoyo4085 If the Bible is going to take the moral high ground, should it not SPECIFICALLY state that slavery is a HUGE no-no? I mean, lets not be so wishy washy about this here.
If you figure out that the bible was really written by a bunch of men then you can't take anything in the book as other than a story and christianity disappears in a puff of silliness. Prove the hand of God came out of the sky and delivered the book fully formed and in his own hand writing. You can't.
The inability of christianity to prove its own world view as solidly logical and true and not just a made up moral code (like any other religion) is why ppl reject it - that is just common sense.
@manchester26m how do you ask me to show you God when he doesnt want to reveal himself yet. He is God after all a creator that is beyond scieence and logic. U might ask how i came to know him then and i will tell u that he revealed himself to me just like he revealed himself to many others around the world. Have an openmind to the possibilities and wait for God to reveal himself to you friend and when he do you will see wat i am talking about.
It seems that if God doesn't exist, then none of these points matter. Sorry buddy, but I am not convinced that a belief in God is reasonable or that the Bible would be his inerrant word.
You already know the speaker is meant to say "consistent" gravity, yet you twist the meaning. And I sincerely hope that you truly do not get your morality from the world. SERIOUSLY, and you know it. Objective morality is universal, regardless of your position.
@grasuh No, morality is subjective. Otherwise there would be a consistant age of consent, a universal approach to drugs, war, sex etc. If morality was universal, everyone would hold the same views. They dont, because it isnt.
The word "morality" is the wrong term to use anyway. People do not have morals. People have their own code of ethics and just like fingerprints, everyones code is different.
@manchester26m Look at it this way. Obj morality says: we should not let little kids have sex. Getting stoned with drug is bad, rape is bad, etc - these are common views in the world. That is, it gives you the fundamentally "right" objective view of the issue. As u mentioned, it won't necessarily give you the specifics of the executing it though - exact age limit, what we define as drug, how to discipline kids, etc. Yes, exact code of ethics differs, but the fundamentals are the same.
Remember that God does not have the same moral obligation that we humans do. Sure He took the lives of innocent children as the last resort for denying Him, but won't they be in heaven? Certainly Bible does not talk about internet addiction or cigarette smoking, but the objective morality should give you the right answers. Sure u are right on Sarah and Ab, but continue reading to Gen12:17 for the consequence. God said bad!
@grasuh As for gen 12:17, why was Pharoah punished when he was conned into buying Sara? The purchase was based on the understanding that Sara was Abrahams sister! Did God have harsh words for Abe? Did he make Abe give back the gifts Pharoah had traded for his new woman?
Now you tell me who was immoral in that story, And you actually buy the line that the Bible is a teacher of morality?
@manchester26m you speak of morality but dont you now that what you consider moral and immoral came from a society severly influenced by christian ideals. Dont you know that if you were a roman a 2000 years ago or a mongol 1000 years ago you wouldnt have considered it immoral to enslave, kill, plunder and loot the innocent. But alas you accuse the bible of not teaching morality when your understanding of morality as you know it came from the bible.
@yoyo4085 Your argument MAY work if the Bible itself taught that slavery, plundering and looting were wrong.
It doesnt. Instead it actively promotes these values amongst other crimes against humanity.
Infanticide? Not a problem. Raping the virgins of a rival tribe and razing everything to the ground? Rubber stamped. Prostitution? Ordained by God himself.
@manchester26m Since you are coming from the bible I will try to answer ur question from the bible and standards attributed to God from the bible. This is to show that the contradictions supposedly to exsis in the bible about a good God killing others is not a contradiction but a paradox. beleive it or not?. When people talk about God commiting "crimes" they are talking about the things that happened when israel reached canan. what is known about the cananites is that they were a culture
@yoyo4085 engrossed in sin. The bible makes it clear that they practiced immorality, injustice, aggression, a worship of things made out of their hands and worse of all they sacrificed their children to a picture made out of wood. They were in other words entrenched in sin to a point that for them it is normal and moral. Objective morality does exsist.It is based on a culture we grew up in and if that culture considers sleeping with sibling moral like Hawaid a long time ago then how is it wrong?
@yoyo4085 earthly morality and Gods morality are two different things. Gods morality firstly exsists in everyone. It is our consicence, the thing that tells us what is right or wrong and the bible says all have it and that it testifies the creators greatness.That is why human beings have always been spirtual in a sense. But we because of our earthly desires, culture, and Gods enemy could have it weakened. We can weaken it to a point that we follow a false idea(image) as something requiring
@yoyo4085 worship and obedience. Sin would be a very normal thing and we wont see sin as sin. Everyone has a God whether it be idols, Money, nation, ideology, hitler, fame, power, or Jesus. Which one should be followed? or U exsist for what? Other sources claim many things but the bible claims that we exsist solely to glorfiy God. Now this might seem unswallowable to you but bear with me. So the bible puts our purpose and exsistence along with everyhting else is linked to worshipping God.
@yoyo4085 Meaning that everything that doesnt glorify or make God great in this reality whether it be the pope or preacher, or the act of lieing (which hurts those created to glorify God) all this are in rebellion from their true function. This is sin. Deviating from ones purpose for exsistence. And humans are capable of doing this because they have a free will and have fallen. God is just because he created the justice. Because he penalizes based on this criteria. Doesnt he have a patent for us
@yoyo4085 Shouldnt he discard those that malfunction just like we discard our trash. He created so he can destroy we didnt create so we cant destroy. Canan sinned against God and God ordered them wiped out. The children that died would have gone to heaven with God instead of having grown up in a sinful culture to become like an adult that God would have to damn. The justice of God is pure. But God is good cause he depite all his power loves us and wants us to come to him on our own.
@yoyo4085 He patiently waits at the door seeking that people desire him above all else and is good to those who hate him. He seeks not to destroy them but to change their hearts to love him. No matter how deep rooted their hatred is God loves his enemies(most of humanity) he doesnt destroy until their is a total and willful rejection. He even created us and promises goodness and completness in him. but if we turn it all down. He would have to punish us because the purpose of us was to glorify
@yoyo4085 in the first place. And that punishment is bloody (since it a slight against an omnipotent being) and reserved for complete enemies of God that cant be harvested. God is good in loving even his enemies to bring them to him he is just in punishing all that is contrary to nature and that have the utter will not to follow God (their purpose). I hope u see the paradox here. If u do the question for u is Does God exsist or not? Pray and beleive to find out the answer.
@grasuh So while we, you, I may share a code of ethics inherited by our similar society, you nor I recieve these strong convictions from God or the Bible,
It is the matter of acceptance vs. denial, given the evidence. Now knowing we have obj morality (OM), also consider why we do things that are often opposite of what OM says we ought to do. This fact is what Christians say sin. We should admit we sin all the time, and admit need God's help and guidance from being the worst we can be.
Have you read the mother fuckin bible? there are infinite ways in which to interperet the text. even claiming you know the correct interpretation is ignorance, let alone claiming it to be the truth. knowledge and an open mind are all you need, not ancient texts.
Exactly, and if god handed down this moral code, why can't I seem to find two christians that have the same stances on all moral issues?
I'll tell you why, because each of them, like the rest of us, develop their morals as a product of parents, society, emotions, and reason. Then, because the bible is so easy to "interpret," they go to the bible and find passages that support what they already feel is moral and discard the rest as "appropriate for its time," or metaphor.
God is logical and reasonable? Are you fucking kidding me! God killed all the first born of egypt. Babies who did nothing to deserve death. That's not being reasonable that's being a homicidal asshole. As far as the concept that christianity is the only religion that answers the tough questions how do you explain Islam then? Seriously who ever made this video is retarded.
What's appaling is your understanding of biblical christianity! Your the one pulling and plucking Verses out to twist them to ur understanding!if you knew ANYTHING about the bible you would know that catholic doctrine goes completely against scripture! Again, just another bitter athiest set out to fight against something he doesn't believe in.
Yes, the bible does set the standard for morality. It's is also corret when it states that God has placed the law on EVERY mans heart which is the ONLY logical explaination for the human conscience. Man can choose to reject morality though such as Hitler, Jeffrey Domer, etc... You know deep down that its wrong to rape a 7 year old or to murder an innocent person. Society never had to tell you that.
"Yes, the bible does set the standard for morality." - slavery, rape, and murder are acceptable according to the bible.
"it states that God has placed the law on EVERY mans heart which is the ONLY logical explaination for the human conscience." - yeah, its logical to say it was magic because someone wrote it in a book.
"You know deep down that its wrong to rape a 7 year old or to murder an innocent person." - the bible endorses both of these acts, it says kill children and rape virgins.
"Slavery, rape, and murder are acceptable...." I hate when atheists try to interperate the bible. There is NO such thing. When bible talks of slavery, it's nothing like ur thinking of. Like in "ROOTS" or something. They were just workers.
"The bible endorses both these acts"- Unfortunately your understanding & Interpritation of the bible is rediculous.
"They were just workers." - that is such bullshit, so they owned their workers as property, were allowed to beat them and kill them and take their kids as workers to for life? they were slaves, not workers. the bible endorses slavery, your "intepretation" is a weak attempt at justifying these terrible things.
Im sorry, but ur way putting it is NEVER endorsed by God! Slavery was an Integral part of the social, economic, and institutional life of the Middle East. Its all they knew! Slaves in Isreal were usually domestic workers in the homes of the wealthy & were treated as family member. God commanded them to be kind to their slaves. Your statements and understanding of Christianity need to be re-examined! If you want the TRUTH, I encourage u to get the book "What does the bible say about slavery"
i know slavery was a way of life,if it was wrong then wouldn't have god told them not do it?yes he would but instead he regulated slavery, he described it as owning people as property, told slaves to obey without question, told masters that they could beat slaves and kill slaves, said that people can be born into slavery, and gave many other commands regarding slavery. the idea that god didn't endorse slavery is completely false, he clearly was in favor of the act, or he would have prohibited it
Lets look at the context. Exodus 21 is stating Hypothetical. Look at vs 20 & 21: "And if a man beats his servent, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand, he shall surely be punished." This is not giving permission, its a hypothetical, like: "If a man commits murder, then he will get the electric chair" Its not giving permission. The context is resolve 2 vs down. "If any misheif follow, then you give life for life." cont...
im not talking about that passage, im talking about "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"
then goes on to state "Eye for an eye, tooth, for tooth, hand for hand, tooth for tooth". And that goes for all those thing. Its obvious by the context that Moses showing that if these things happen, then it will be an eye for and eye, and tooth for tooth! It was obvious that God was against evil slavery!
"eye for an eye.." doesnt mention slavery at all. but Exodus 21:2-6, Exodus 21:7-11, Exodus 21:20-21, Ephesians 6:5, 1 Timothy 6:1-2, and Luke 12:47-48 do mention slavery. calling exodus 21 hypothetical doesn't mean anything, its in the bible hypothetical or not. if the bible is true then you cant ignore what it says.
The only sain, valid way to interpret the bible is the historical-grammatical method. You must understand the historical context of the Bible's references, determine the timeless principle, and go from there. Not just plucking out verses and saying "here ya go!" God makes it very clear that the owner is no more in value of life than that of the slave. Must do some reasearch before you start blaming God for others evil slave driving! Still not an arguement that God doesn't exist!
Suudsu, theists don't claim we should know everything. But it's logical 2 conclude that if God does exisit, we can say God did it or he planned it because..... HE'S GOD!!!
Why are athiest so angry at something they don't believe in?
Why are we angry?Oh I don't know, maybe 500 years of the Spanish Inquisition?The crusades?Century after century of religious wars that continue to this day?The outrageous indoctrination of children into any and every religion worldwide?The blind obedience of billions of people to ancient texts written by racist misogynistic homophobic bigots?The vast resource of human time being wasted by praying to..(pick your own God out of the forty currently worshipped or if you prefer out of the top 5)
Sorry, but that was the catholics, had nothing to do with christianity. And why would you judge God for the actions of humans. makes no sense. thats like saying because I ate one bad hamburger from McDonalds, Im never eating food again. Please dont reject God on that basis.
I hate to pop your bubble but the Catholic church is the largest CHRISTIAN church in the world. What's more you can't cherry pick the bits of the bible you like and ignore all the bits you disapprove of. THAT makes no sense. BTW your spelling is appalling
Why is it that theists are so arrogant to think that humans should know everything? You like to feel up on your high horse because you can answer any question ever asked with a single answer. "God's Plan" or "God did it".
Atheists can man up to the fact that some things are unknown in the world, and this is the force that drives us to discover new technologies to help humanity. Theists could sit around dying of plague and just be thinking "God will save us when it's part of his plan."
H: Not all evolutionists are atheists and not all atheists are evolutionists. I can explain if you need, but you just regressed into the moral category. Oops out of sequence again.
Then you devolve into quoting scripture. I´ve read the Bible in three languages and it doesn´t prove itself.
... so they didn´t surely die the day they ate the apple. Was that a lie or what? Conclusion: saying ´only Christianity´ makes you a bigot and a xenophobe.
the fact still remains that there is no evidence of GOD. Who is this guy. Why would allow such terrible things to happen. This complete bullshit and a waste of time. I was hoping to learn something today, but I clearly didnt
You get your morals from the Bible. So it's okay to commit infanticide and genocide? God does it in the Bible so it must be okay. Uniformity of nature does not prove the existence of God in any way. Saying the laws of logic exist because they exist in the mind of God is the same as saying the laws of logic exist because they exist in the minds of you or I. Human beings have dignity... I don't see why this needs to be accounted for.
You're attempting to use an intellectual argument to prove that god can save you from your intellect.
How very insidious of you.
Also, Hitler was a Roman Catholic.
We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out. - Adolf Hitler
morals part is absolutely laughable slavery infanticide anyone, uniformed is laughable as well with lame vague bible quotes, concepts- lol ditto, human dignity- so in order for us to be like god we should sacrifice each of our own sons so we can have forgiveness, human dignity stop embarrassing yourself with these videos.
Your atheism is every bit as "bronze age" as my Faith. Ever hear of Socrates? Pretty darn famous Atheist from... when was that... oh yeah... BRONZE AGE GREECE! So if you're going to argue that my religion is invalid because it comes from the Bronze Age (though actually it predates the Bronze Age), then your atheism is equally invalid because people have been thinking like you for thousands of years. I guess we both need new ideas. Care to pull one out of your ass?
How about the Sun staying put for that battle, I don't remember which? Immaculate conception?
Look, you can't argue that uniformity AND NON-uniformity (the aforementioned miracles) are both evidence for god. This is not evidence, because you cannot conceive a configuration of the universe, which would disprove god. What ever the universe would be like, you can just say "HA, god made it that way!"
jroyals is referring to verses in the bible that mandate slavery. there are verses in leviticus, exodus, deuteronomy and others that ask us to stone people to death for trivial offenses (like picking up sticks on the sabbath, or sleeping with a woman who's on her period) ...it also condones slavery, not to mention that God himself drowns and kills thousands of his own innocent people. The bible is a HORRIBLE example of morality.
*sigh*. words for thought sir: the bible was written 100% by HUMANS. humans can LIE. humans can DECEIVE. humans have proven time and time again the ability to persuade a gross number of people to believe in something. think about this. what popularized christianity? a WAR. it says "thou shalt not kill" yet a war brought it into the royal light which spread it FORCEFULLY onto peasants. i could make a huge religion too if i had millions of loyal peons and a thousand years of control.
kukulza, you have great skill in taking things out of context, you know that? First off, taking the authorship of the Scriptures out of context. Just because you don't believe in Divine Inspiration, that doesn't make you right about the Bible being written by men who lie and deceive. And what's more, Christianity was already rather widespread throughout the Roman Empire by Constantine's day, and he wasn't the first Christian ruler either. Armenia and Georgia beat him to it. Have a nice day.
ugh, you DONT get your morals from the bible. the bible suggests stoning your kids if they do bad things, is that one of your morals??
and your argument that "humans are not actually animals so it doesn't count if they eat other animals" also fails. first, you have no proof they aren't, and second... all other animals eat other animals too, what about them?
See Christians do get their morals from the bible. Most cruelty was shed through the Old testament. After Christ came, he gave an example on how to rebuild our morals and live life. After Mary Magdalen was stoned, Jesus came to her and helped her. So does this mean that our morals include stoning our neighbor? No.
It is in the bible that people would own slaves. See your only referring to the Old Testament. If your going to use the bible then I would suggest to use it in a more though out way. See the bible includes both Old and New Testaments, in which the old did have slaves and the new did not. See since the NEW came after the old, the NEW is a much more reliant way to see what still is and what is not.
I've always thought that you can tell all you need to know about abrahamic religions from the story of genesis: The first sin is eating fruit from the tree of knowledge!
You're leaving out the key words here, acme. Typical of someone who wants to make a point where there is none. It was the Tree of the Knowledge OF GOOD AND EVIL. Instead of trusting in God, the Creator of all good things, Adam and Eve chose to disobey, and seek for themselves their own way of doing things. But nothing sub-divine can ever acheive a better way than the divine. Adam and Eve sinned, and deserved Hell. Instead, God promised a Saviour from sin. That is the REAL message of Genesis 3.
Yes, it came to the bible - OF COURSE THE ULTIMATE MORALS FOR ALL LIVING THINGS COME FROM THE SAME BOOK THAT CLAIMS THAT PI IS A ROUND NUMBER - as soon as a theist points at the bible, its instant win for any opponent because of it being so demonstrably wrong on so many things it could not even be trusted to be spelling correctly on the cover!
M- There are things that are immoral in the bible and moral today because of "social approval" (i.e. Doing stuff on the Sabbath). Also, there is biblical 'objective morality' that must be taken subjectively (i.e. Honor your mother and father... How does one do that?)
C- If we are made in God's image, shouldn't we all ALWAYS be logical and right and perfect? If humans can be irrational and wrong, cant God be, too?
H- God tells humans to kill other humans in the Bible. Nuff Said.
epic. be saved from your intellect everyone! back to the stone age with all of you so you may truly live as this man says! lolol. love ignorant, outspoken christians. such dull individuals.
Yes, this guy does use some rather stupid words at times, and the ending was definately a dumb thing to say. Christianity is not at all about putting your intelect on hold. Heck, some of Science's greatest minds were Christian. Louis Pasteur is my favourite example.
i'm not going to dig up christian or not scientists but there are 2 things are work that easily account for christian scientists. 1. compartmentalized thought. basically, it's the human capability to trick yourself into maintaining two contradictory facts in your mind and treating both as true. a proven occurrence. 2. the best way to defy sheep is to dress in sheep's clothes and overthrow them from the inside out. scientists were christians because they'd be exiled otherwise.
"I believe that science brings me closer to God" Louis Pasteur. He never fit into either of your categories. Neither did Sir Isaac Newton. Nor Pascal. Nor Mendel. Point is, sir, that religion and science are not mutually exclusionary nor contradictory. Not all religious people listen to science, and not all scientific thinkers have a religion, but the two are not contradictory in anyway.
because i'm sure before compartmentalized thought was defined someone would have admitted to utilizing it... perfect sense. but that's beside the point. if you took what i said as meaning it's impossible to do both then that's my bad. all i meant was that just because they were considered christian didn't mean they really were. due to their circumstances. inevitably tho you're going to reach contradictions as well as peer/work complications. either leading to doublethink , compart., or convert.
god is not moral just becuase he makes things! the cosmos is balanced because of cause and effect the natural forces balance each other out. why is there one god? im an ape proud of it and your faith takes from pagen ideas wich takes from karma your bible has some morals but it has more inmorals!!
i've watched ur videos and this a conclusion: BULL! u r crass at what u do. u assume that if atheism is wrong then god must exist. crock! u have no evidence for what u believe. all u do is say that science cant explain everything. well, would u care to give a prediction for the next 100 years of what the weather will be or have god do it for u? was mother teresa a morally bankrupt person? was sarte a philosophically bankrupt person? u r either inconsistent, ignorant, or a liar if not all three!
would u like to hear why your argument is untenable? "GOD DID IT!" oh and ur morals demand u stone ppl who don't obey the sabbath. and the bible says the earth is flat and surronded by a dome called the sky. is anything but consistent. i recall biblical figures who came down to heaven to speak w/ jc. well, how did they go to heaven if they didn't get there through jesus? oh, and HUMAN DIGNITY, what an injustice u do there, u can read my post on the 1st video for that.
No you don't. Your interpretation of the bible is dependent on the culture you were raised as a part of, the people you associated with / were influenced by / listened to. Any interpretation of the bible is... subjective!
"You know why we can predict the weather for next week?"
Couldn't be science, could it? Seriously, explain to me how without a god, it would be raining skittles next week.
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
Ok, let's say you're right, atheism is bad, wrong and all that. But I still don't belive in god! So what should I do? I'm not an atheist because I think it's right but because I just don't belive in god, simple. (But that doesen't mean I don't belive atheism is right)
And if I suddenly thought "there is a god!" why should I ever turn to christianity? There is plenty of options... Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism, Shinto or some other religion that I haven't mentioned...
My Goodness! You know I am apalled with some the of atheist comments on here. They are just as bad as some of the Christians who get offended so easily. LOL!
Very nice video. Although it relies purely on the logic it can somehow explain the faith. But faith is really a supernatural gift. It's really goes against our ego and logic...it cannot be framed since it points to God Who also cannot be framed. I know...since I tried to search for God through the logic...it just doesn't work that way. Soon one will realize that faith is a gift from God. It's in fact, not the weakness, but power which can overpass our limited mind, there for logic and giant ego.
Yet again, Xians trying to use logic when they have no idea what logic is. Yeah, we don't need to look for answers in science cos magic sky man dun it. Garbage, pure garbage.
I agree there probably is no God that establishes morals. I mean why should a government run by corrupt men be given the right to judge me for being corrupt. So why not kill my wife and kids if they piss me off? Yeah! Im a free man! When I get married I'm going to let my wife know, its my or I am throwing you off the highway! This is a man's world woman get used to it. LOL! J/k I love the ladies, I dont know about kids yet, they do piss me off, and I dont wanna go to hell neither.
Individual atheist beliefs vary. Atheism only implies a lack of belief in a god. You speak of science, logic, and amazingly reason as if they were bad things. It would be very interesting seeing a society try to get along without using science logic or reason and part of me would love to watch the attempts if i were not part of said society. Go ahead and try not using any of these things, if you are not damaged in the head you have to use some sort of reasoning.
You get you morals from the bible? have you read it? All of the answers to your arguments are in the library hundreds of hundreds of book and information on these subjects. You should do the research before you make claims....
I found these videos rather amusing. WRONG in so many ways. Unintelligent and lacking in any real critical thinking, reasoning and logic. But amusing none the less.
M - morals from society. If everyone did as they pleased, a society would destroy itself (as we can see today). Morals are a comprimise between people living together
U - There is no uniformity in life. You can never 100% predict an eclipse or the weather, its always a rough guess
C - nothing is absolutely universal. We create logic like A cannot be non-A because that is what we observe. On that look at Schrodinger's cat
H - Human dignity is similar to morals in that we create them
Ok. Just know that most Christians know that sort of thing is immoral. You should open your mind to appreciating the more intelligent thoughtful Christians, instead of finding Fundamentalist ones to criticize. It would make my job a whole lot easier.
Ok, just watch out and make sure you're not discriminating because to many people's surprise, There are some good Christians our there, you just have to pay attention.
Homosexuality is personal. And Just because I attend a Christian church and believe in the Christian god doesn't mean that you can tell me what I can and cannot accept as moral law from my holy book. It can be interpreted in hundreds of ways so you can't say that objectively it is one way or another.
I get my morals from the bible, I was just arguing that the old testament law isn't the Christian moral standard and arguing that it is is just a pessimistic approach to Christianity, you're just trying to find everything wrong, even if you have to misinterpret the bible.
My PERSONAL beliefs promote love, and understanding, and that's what my church teaches. I'm not going to argue the old testament with you because you're unwilling to accept my rebuttle but just know that we want to love people, (not all of us) but a large majority do and you should be happy about that and accept us. I'm not forcing my beliefs on you, (some people might) but not me. again if I promise not to kill or hurt anyone, are my beliefs a big problem to you?
You can't classify me by other people of my religion. I could say that you like commiting genocide because Stalin was atheist. It's not logical, or fair.
Just because we get morality from the bible, doesn't mean that every line in the bible is a moral law. Those old testament laws were laws intended for old time Isreal. They were placed to maintain God's ultimate plan. But the New Testament abolished old laws. Us Christians know those aren't the current laws. We follow Jesus' teachings.
I don't understand why you're so upset. I think that sex is meant for a man and a woman, but if you want to be gay, then go for it, but i'm not going to support it. I'm not going to discriminate either.
In my eyes, it's not the way marriage should be. It doesn't help reproduce. I don't have a real problem with homosexuals, and I really couldn't care less, i'm just not down with it.
Why do you assume that everything I say comes from the bible, and that's what all of my life evolves around. I'm not a puritan or none of that. I'm a Christian but that doesn't mean you can assume my beliefs. Don't you think are people who aren't Christians who aren't down with the gay scene?
Ok well whether animals do it or not it's just not my thing. Is that really that big of a problem. I mean i'm not going to go out and start attacking them, but i'm just not down with it. Is that a big deal?
well do you think there is a purpose for that? Do you think it's on accident? They don't have any reason to partake in homosexual activity it doesn't advance them in any way.
I don't care about homosexuals, they really aren't hurting anyone. I wouldn't be a homosexual myself and I think marriage should be between a man and a woman, but we can't all agree on that
Then why quote bible verses at us to try to prove something about the moral values. If you read from leviticus and deuteronomy and believe those are our morals, then you have a twisted view on christianity. The old testament gives us historical context for the new testament.
I cant take very seriously a Christian showing me scripture, with that in mind i can show you some very nasty stuff from the bible, that im pretty sure you already know.
I have a question: In the first or second part you said 'God see the future', or something like that.Now, the common explanation is that God did it to test Abraham's feith: "Do not hurt him in any way, for now I know that you truly fear God", so afterall he cant see the future. This is only one comparison of a lot of flaws.
You have misunderstood the purpose of the test. It was not for God to learn for Himself how strong Abraham's Faith was, but rather, to strengthen Abraham's Faith, and to be symbolic of the coming Messiah, for God provided the lamb to be sacrificed in place of Isaac, just as Jesus was the Lamb to be sacrificed in place of us.
That was totally innecesary, was really needed to ask him such a horrible thing in the first place? I mean, Abraham was speaking with god directly, there was no need for his faith to be tested, thats clearly not the message that the bible tried to teach, thats just 'obbey, no matter what'.
Also, after all God doesnt know how much faith i have on him?
There is a lot of inconsistency in the moral teachings, even if you take them metaphorically, not literally.
The Bible allows slavery and multiple wives. It demands that fornicators be stoned to death. You *do not* get your morals from the Bible. You get them from the same place the rest of us do, the society we live in, which is the same place the Bible got *it's* morals.
eventhisidistaken 2 weeks ago
Hm,
If atheism is so bad, I wonder if the maker of the video has ever considered that he/she is also an atheist?
I presume since they are advancing a christian world view that they do not believe in zeus, apollo, vishnu, allah, or the dali lama. That makes them an atheist as well.
So, by their logic. being an atheist is bad, christians are atheists to other religions, ergo, christianity is bad.
If you can't believe my logic, how could you possibly believe his. Unless of course you are nuts.
losghost 4 months ago
Go to your nearest university and take a course in Logic 101, I have never heard such illogical jabber in my 78 years!
ktorch 4 months ago
This has been one of the worst arguments I've heard for Christianity or against atheism. You, sir, should be ashamed of yourself.
shponglefan 5 months ago
I don't know a single atheist who would be impressed by these arguments.
CommitToFocus 7 months ago
Science is looking into these subjects as we speak. Soon there will be explanations for lots of these things. Also, humans are other animals. Why would you think anything different? What's so wrong about being part of the animal kingdom? Can animals not be moral? Why the distinction?
FHomeBrew 9 months ago
Be saved from my intellect? Seriously? I really hope that didn't mean what it looks to mean. You may as well become Muslim because Muslims would want you to throw away reason and blindly believe in their god. Seriously. C'mon guys, even if there is a god it would probably want you to use the brain it gave you.
SteelToothedFox 9 months ago
We are so stupid that we committed a sin against good so the only thing we can be is evil. Luckily the sin we committed was bound to the flesh, and all other sins we commit are bound to flesh. God found the possibility to save us and destroy the sins we commit. He could only do that by becoming flesh himself. Jesus who is God died for our stupidity so that everyone who believes in him will live for eternity. Praise the saviour!
TimReuijl 11 months ago
Yes God is so moral that he destroyed millions, millions who were created imperfect, given free will and then blamed for being imperfect. Morality has existed far longer then Christianity. For God so loved the world that he sacrificed himself to himself to save us all from his own rath for a mistake he made centuries earlier.
TheDano1947 11 months ago
if science can not proved how cell is started !!! yet cell is still mystery! and God is true. and bible is scientific accurate!!!
senjeki 1 year ago
there are 2 more of these??
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
Case not proven. Athiesm is lack of belief. I still do not believe you. I am still not a theist. Athiesm has not been defeated.
Danmill23 1 year ago
@Danmill23 Lately, I've been using the term "non-theist" in my dialogue. It seems to get through a little better, especially since theists seem to have some difficulty with what you would think is simple and clear english.
yourjunk420 1 year ago
@yourjunk420 Cheers sure. I'm open to that. I'll give it a try.
Danmill23 1 year ago
Interesting that the only fruit they couldn't eat was from the tree of knowledge. Telling . . .
nicksgo 1 year ago
hehehe and he just keeps going, as if he will eventually find the passage that makes God appear.. freaking wizards.
GodDamStupidInternet 1 year ago
How does human dignity at all mix with eternal suffering in hell?
Nocturnalux 1 year ago
God help us all if God is the only one able to make Moral Prescriptions. I would love somebody to deny Richard Dawkin's Claim that “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
DaDoctaBoom 1 year ago
@DaDoctaBoom
Ill deny it. All those are human concepts, and human standards and interpretations of how we think God should behave. Half of which aren't true, and the other half nonsense.
Can I play too? Can I make up some standards, hold you to them, then judge you as a bad person for not behaving the way "I" think you ought to behave?
Pick one of those characteristics and I can show you how its either untrue, or a nonsense standard to hold God to.
girzwald3 1 year ago
@girzwald3 I present the Euthyphro Dilemma then. Socrates asked "Is something Pius because the Gods say they are, or do the Gods say something is Pius because they are?"
If you take the stance that Piety is good because the Gods say it is so, you are making a Might Makes Right fallacy, and declaring that God makes Morality Arbitrarily.
If you take the stance that God likes Piety because it is good, then God is unnecessary for Morality, and Morality can be derived by Non-Godly agents.
DaDoctaBoom 1 year ago
@DaDoctaBoom
You did not present one of the things from dawkins list. As I asked. As you asked someone to deny. The "Euthyphro Dilemma" was not part of dawkins list or your post.
You went off track. Try again. Pick one from the dawkins list from your post or don't post anything at all.
girzwald3 1 year ago
@girzwald3 You're trying to say that God is Exempt from Human Morals. I am assuming you think you can justify God committing Genocide or jealousy or misogyny, bloodthirst, ect.? It was God's Moral Exception that Euthyphro's Dilemma removes. If you honestly don't think God's ever done anything that would be evil by human morals, then I'd love to have you justify the Flood(or do you consider that story a metaphor?)
DaDoctaBoom 1 year ago
@DaDoctaBoom
The only other rule is that for the sake of this argument, we are assuming God is real, and his word is true and law. Otherwise, I shall not play, and don't bother putting forth one of those characteristics for me to tackle on.
girzwald3 1 year ago
Also, if nature is Uninformative, explain Chaos theory. Explain Entropy. Explain Heat Death.
That's right, you can't, because nature isn't uniform. The sun will eventually burn out. When that happens, all life on earth will cease to exist. When it collapses in on itself, a black hole will likely form, and all the matter that was once the Earth will most likely be sucked into the singularity that is created. Nature is chaotic. Uniformity is only temporary.
Jinxerz010792 1 year ago
So, you're saying that all humans should be slaves to what God says, since he is our overlord, knows all, sees all, and knows everything that will happen. And because of that, it's perfectly okay to rape un-betrothed virgins, (so long as you marry them after and pay their dads 50 shekels of silver) Stone homosexuals, stone adulterers, kill apostates, kill kids, and all of the other fun shit God did in the Old Testament, right?
Some Fucking morals.
Jinxerz010792 1 year ago
god has never revealed himself...
hes pretty good at creating morals right...oh wait what about the dark ages and holy wars...and what about the thousands of people god slaughtered in the bible...god ordered Moses to kill more then 3000 people for worshiping a god other then him..god is the furthest thing from logic. he suggest magic which is obviously not logical...do some fucking research you ignorant christian.
Dustencumbie 1 year ago
If God is pure logic, then God is mathmatical..? As Math is based on pure logic and can not be disputed. That's atleast what I could concluded what's been said here... in a broad spectrum.
MikeRomulus 1 year ago
According to the bible:
Slavery is good.
God allowed rape.
God allowed murder.
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OriEy7 1 year ago
@OriEy7 it never said slavery is good but it said that slave should be obedient to their masters so that their masters would see the gospel through them and turn to God. It never allowed rape, this is totally false. And what you call murder i call punishment for the wicked. You see Gods eyes are so pure that each act of sin are so horrific to him.
yoyo4085 1 year ago
@yoyo4085
So What about the bible cites on the site I provided earlier?
(Deuteronomy 20:13-14)
"When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."
Murder, Slavery, robbery and clearly implied rape.
But the murder was just I am sure.
God is so horrified that he commands murder...
OriEy7 1 year ago
@yoyo4085 If the Bible is going to take the moral high ground, should it not SPECIFICALLY state that slavery is a HUGE no-no? I mean, lets not be so wishy washy about this here.
manchester26m 1 year ago
If you figure out that the bible was really written by a bunch of men then you can't take anything in the book as other than a story and christianity disappears in a puff of silliness. Prove the hand of God came out of the sky and delivered the book fully formed and in his own hand writing. You can't.
The inability of christianity to prove its own world view as solidly logical and true and not just a made up moral code (like any other religion) is why ppl reject it - that is just common sense.
portantwas 1 year ago
@portantwas prove that God doesnt exist???You can't? Prove that the bible is not written by men inspired by the holy spirit??? You can't?
p.s Why do most of biblical prophecies come true???????
yoyo4085 1 year ago
@yoyo4085 Cant and dont have to.
It is not for a doubter to prove the non-existence of something. Fantastic claims require fantastic evidence. If it exists, show it.
Failure to do so means your God is on a par with the flying spaghetti monster - May you be touched by his noodley appendage.
manchester26m 1 year ago
@manchester26m how do you ask me to show you God when he doesnt want to reveal himself yet. He is God after all a creator that is beyond scieence and logic. U might ask how i came to know him then and i will tell u that he revealed himself to me just like he revealed himself to many others around the world. Have an openmind to the possibilities and wait for God to reveal himself to you friend and when he do you will see wat i am talking about.
yoyo4085 1 year ago
But God can't reveal himself. To see God brings death, as far as the bible says.
Jinxerz010792 1 year ago
It seems that if God doesn't exist, then none of these points matter. Sorry buddy, but I am not convinced that a belief in God is reasonable or that the Bible would be his inerrant word.
AlexanderDGraham 1 year ago
There isnt a constant gravity.
And I sincerely hope that you truly do not get your morality from the Bible.
manchester26m 2 years ago 2
@manchester26m
You already know the speaker is meant to say "consistent" gravity, yet you twist the meaning. And I sincerely hope that you truly do not get your morality from the world. SERIOUSLY, and you know it. Objective morality is universal, regardless of your position.
grasuh 1 year ago
@grasuh No, morality is subjective. Otherwise there would be a consistant age of consent, a universal approach to drugs, war, sex etc. If morality was universal, everyone would hold the same views. They dont, because it isnt.
The word "morality" is the wrong term to use anyway. People do not have morals. People have their own code of ethics and just like fingerprints, everyones code is different.
manchester26m 1 year ago
@manchester26m Look at it this way. Obj morality says: we should not let little kids have sex. Getting stoned with drug is bad, rape is bad, etc - these are common views in the world. That is, it gives you the fundamentally "right" objective view of the issue. As u mentioned, it won't necessarily give you the specifics of the executing it though - exact age limit, what we define as drug, how to discipline kids, etc. Yes, exact code of ethics differs, but the fundamentals are the same.
grasuh 1 year ago
@grasuh Correct - Now lets look at what the BIBLE says about those things you mentioned...
Rape? Deuteronomy 21:10-14
Slavery? (take your pick!)
Drugs? Bible is silent
Underage sex? Bible is SILENT on this issue
Prostitution? Sara was the first prostitute mentioned in the Bible and Abraham acted as pimp.
Slaughter of innocent children? God took the lives of each firstborn!
manchester26m 1 year ago
@manchester26m
Deu 21:10-14 has little to do with rape.
Remember that God does not have the same moral obligation that we humans do. Sure He took the lives of innocent children as the last resort for denying Him, but won't they be in heaven? Certainly Bible does not talk about internet addiction or cigarette smoking, but the objective morality should give you the right answers. Sure u are right on Sarah and Ab, but continue reading to Gen12:17 for the consequence. God said bad!
grasuh 1 year ago
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@grasuh Remember that God does not have the same moral obligation that we humans do
Yes, so I have noticed. Do as I say not as I do.
Sure He took the lives of innocent children as the last resort for denying Him, but won't they be in heaven?
And Christians oppose abortion? Did the children get a say in this? Or was it a "collective punishment" which is a war crime?
manchester26m 1 year ago
@grasuh As for gen 12:17, why was Pharoah punished when he was conned into buying Sara? The purchase was based on the understanding that Sara was Abrahams sister! Did God have harsh words for Abe? Did he make Abe give back the gifts Pharoah had traded for his new woman?
Now you tell me who was immoral in that story, And you actually buy the line that the Bible is a teacher of morality?
manchester26m 1 year ago
@manchester26m you speak of morality but dont you now that what you consider moral and immoral came from a society severly influenced by christian ideals. Dont you know that if you were a roman a 2000 years ago or a mongol 1000 years ago you wouldnt have considered it immoral to enslave, kill, plunder and loot the innocent. But alas you accuse the bible of not teaching morality when your understanding of morality as you know it came from the bible.
yoyo4085 1 year ago
@yoyo4085 Your argument MAY work if the Bible itself taught that slavery, plundering and looting were wrong.
It doesnt. Instead it actively promotes these values amongst other crimes against humanity.
Infanticide? Not a problem. Raping the virgins of a rival tribe and razing everything to the ground? Rubber stamped. Prostitution? Ordained by God himself.
I have no morality. I have ethics.
manchester26m 1 year ago
@manchester26m Since you are coming from the bible I will try to answer ur question from the bible and standards attributed to God from the bible. This is to show that the contradictions supposedly to exsis in the bible about a good God killing others is not a contradiction but a paradox. beleive it or not?. When people talk about God commiting "crimes" they are talking about the things that happened when israel reached canan. what is known about the cananites is that they were a culture
yoyo4085 3 months ago
@yoyo4085 engrossed in sin. The bible makes it clear that they practiced immorality, injustice, aggression, a worship of things made out of their hands and worse of all they sacrificed their children to a picture made out of wood. They were in other words entrenched in sin to a point that for them it is normal and moral. Objective morality does exsist.It is based on a culture we grew up in and if that culture considers sleeping with sibling moral like Hawaid a long time ago then how is it wrong?
yoyo4085 3 months ago
@yoyo4085 earthly morality and Gods morality are two different things. Gods morality firstly exsists in everyone. It is our consicence, the thing that tells us what is right or wrong and the bible says all have it and that it testifies the creators greatness.That is why human beings have always been spirtual in a sense. But we because of our earthly desires, culture, and Gods enemy could have it weakened. We can weaken it to a point that we follow a false idea(image) as something requiring
yoyo4085 3 months ago
@yoyo4085 worship and obedience. Sin would be a very normal thing and we wont see sin as sin. Everyone has a God whether it be idols, Money, nation, ideology, hitler, fame, power, or Jesus. Which one should be followed? or U exsist for what? Other sources claim many things but the bible claims that we exsist solely to glorfiy God. Now this might seem unswallowable to you but bear with me. So the bible puts our purpose and exsistence along with everyhting else is linked to worshipping God.
yoyo4085 3 months ago
@yoyo4085 Meaning that everything that doesnt glorify or make God great in this reality whether it be the pope or preacher, or the act of lieing (which hurts those created to glorify God) all this are in rebellion from their true function. This is sin. Deviating from ones purpose for exsistence. And humans are capable of doing this because they have a free will and have fallen. God is just because he created the justice. Because he penalizes based on this criteria. Doesnt he have a patent for us
yoyo4085 3 months ago
@yoyo4085 Shouldnt he discard those that malfunction just like we discard our trash. He created so he can destroy we didnt create so we cant destroy. Canan sinned against God and God ordered them wiped out. The children that died would have gone to heaven with God instead of having grown up in a sinful culture to become like an adult that God would have to damn. The justice of God is pure. But God is good cause he depite all his power loves us and wants us to come to him on our own.
yoyo4085 3 months ago
@yoyo4085 He patiently waits at the door seeking that people desire him above all else and is good to those who hate him. He seeks not to destroy them but to change their hearts to love him. No matter how deep rooted their hatred is God loves his enemies(most of humanity) he doesnt destroy until their is a total and willful rejection. He even created us and promises goodness and completness in him. but if we turn it all down. He would have to punish us because the purpose of us was to glorify
yoyo4085 3 months ago
@yoyo4085 in the first place. And that punishment is bloody (since it a slight against an omnipotent being) and reserved for complete enemies of God that cant be harvested. God is good in loving even his enemies to bring them to him he is just in punishing all that is contrary to nature and that have the utter will not to follow God (their purpose). I hope u see the paradox here. If u do the question for u is Does God exsist or not? Pray and beleive to find out the answer.
yoyo4085 3 months ago
@grasuh So while we, you, I may share a code of ethics inherited by our similar society, you nor I recieve these strong convictions from God or the Bible,
manchester26m 1 year ago
@manchester26m
It is the matter of acceptance vs. denial, given the evidence. Now knowing we have obj morality (OM), also consider why we do things that are often opposite of what OM says we ought to do. This fact is what Christians say sin. We should admit we sin all the time, and admit need God's help and guidance from being the worst we can be.
grasuh 1 year ago
Human dignity - First, Evolution is not exclusive to Atheism.
Secondly, we didnt come from a "lower" species. There is no ladder. It isnt a reflection of superiority or inferiority.
I think you'll find a lot of vegetarians disagreeing that burgers are "right".
manchester26m 2 years ago
Have you read the mother fuckin bible? there are infinite ways in which to interperet the text. even claiming you know the correct interpretation is ignorance, let alone claiming it to be the truth. knowledge and an open mind are all you need, not ancient texts.
ImOneBadMuthaFucka 2 years ago
Exactly, and if god handed down this moral code, why can't I seem to find two christians that have the same stances on all moral issues?
I'll tell you why, because each of them, like the rest of us, develop their morals as a product of parents, society, emotions, and reason. Then, because the bible is so easy to "interpret," they go to the bible and find passages that support what they already feel is moral and discard the rest as "appropriate for its time," or metaphor.
afsmist 2 years ago
Beam me up, there's no intelligent life down here.
StopSpamming1 2 years ago
God is logical and reasonable? Are you fucking kidding me! God killed all the first born of egypt. Babies who did nothing to deserve death. That's not being reasonable that's being a homicidal asshole. As far as the concept that christianity is the only religion that answers the tough questions how do you explain Islam then? Seriously who ever made this video is retarded.
cwa1984 2 years ago
Why wont you call in on his radio show and explain it yourself!
MegaKIOSK 2 years ago
What's appaling is your understanding of biblical christianity! Your the one pulling and plucking Verses out to twist them to ur understanding!if you knew ANYTHING about the bible you would know that catholic doctrine goes completely against scripture! Again, just another bitter athiest set out to fight against something he doesn't believe in.
djvdiddy 2 years ago
Yes, the bible does set the standard for morality. It's is also corret when it states that God has placed the law on EVERY mans heart which is the ONLY logical explaination for the human conscience. Man can choose to reject morality though such as Hitler, Jeffrey Domer, etc... You know deep down that its wrong to rape a 7 year old or to murder an innocent person. Society never had to tell you that.
djvdiddy 2 years ago
"Yes, the bible does set the standard for morality." - slavery, rape, and murder are acceptable according to the bible.
"it states that God has placed the law on EVERY mans heart which is the ONLY logical explaination for the human conscience." - yeah, its logical to say it was magic because someone wrote it in a book.
"You know deep down that its wrong to rape a 7 year old or to murder an innocent person." - the bible endorses both of these acts, it says kill children and rape virgins.
errskin 2 years ago
"Slavery, rape, and murder are acceptable...." I hate when atheists try to interperate the bible. There is NO such thing. When bible talks of slavery, it's nothing like ur thinking of. Like in "ROOTS" or something. They were just workers.
"The bible endorses both these acts"- Unfortunately your understanding & Interpritation of the bible is rediculous.
djvdiddy 2 years ago
"They were just workers." - that is such bullshit, so they owned their workers as property, were allowed to beat them and kill them and take their kids as workers to for life? they were slaves, not workers. the bible endorses slavery, your "intepretation" is a weak attempt at justifying these terrible things.
errskin 2 years ago
Im sorry, but ur way putting it is NEVER endorsed by God! Slavery was an Integral part of the social, economic, and institutional life of the Middle East. Its all they knew! Slaves in Isreal were usually domestic workers in the homes of the wealthy & were treated as family member. God commanded them to be kind to their slaves. Your statements and understanding of Christianity need to be re-examined! If you want the TRUTH, I encourage u to get the book "What does the bible say about slavery"
djvdiddy 2 years ago
i know slavery was a way of life,if it was wrong then wouldn't have god told them not do it?yes he would but instead he regulated slavery, he described it as owning people as property, told slaves to obey without question, told masters that they could beat slaves and kill slaves, said that people can be born into slavery, and gave many other commands regarding slavery. the idea that god didn't endorse slavery is completely false, he clearly was in favor of the act, or he would have prohibited it
errskin 2 years ago
Lets look at the context. Exodus 21 is stating Hypothetical. Look at vs 20 & 21: "And if a man beats his servent, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand, he shall surely be punished." This is not giving permission, its a hypothetical, like: "If a man commits murder, then he will get the electric chair" Its not giving permission. The context is resolve 2 vs down. "If any misheif follow, then you give life for life." cont...
djvdiddy 2 years ago
im not talking about that passage, im talking about "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"
errskin 2 years ago
then goes on to state "Eye for an eye, tooth, for tooth, hand for hand, tooth for tooth". And that goes for all those thing. Its obvious by the context that Moses showing that if these things happen, then it will be an eye for and eye, and tooth for tooth! It was obvious that God was against evil slavery!
djvdiddy 2 years ago
"eye for an eye.." doesnt mention slavery at all. but Exodus 21:2-6, Exodus 21:7-11, Exodus 21:20-21, Ephesians 6:5, 1 Timothy 6:1-2, and Luke 12:47-48 do mention slavery. calling exodus 21 hypothetical doesn't mean anything, its in the bible hypothetical or not. if the bible is true then you cant ignore what it says.
errskin 2 years ago
The only sain, valid way to interpret the bible is the historical-grammatical method. You must understand the historical context of the Bible's references, determine the timeless principle, and go from there. Not just plucking out verses and saying "here ya go!" God makes it very clear that the owner is no more in value of life than that of the slave. Must do some reasearch before you start blaming God for others evil slave driving! Still not an arguement that God doesn't exist!
djvdiddy 2 years ago
Suudsu, theists don't claim we should know everything. But it's logical 2 conclude that if God does exisit, we can say God did it or he planned it because..... HE'S GOD!!!
Why are athiest so angry at something they don't believe in?
djvdiddy 2 years ago
Why are we angry?Oh I don't know, maybe 500 years of the Spanish Inquisition?The crusades?Century after century of religious wars that continue to this day?The outrageous indoctrination of children into any and every religion worldwide?The blind obedience of billions of people to ancient texts written by racist misogynistic homophobic bigots?The vast resource of human time being wasted by praying to..(pick your own God out of the forty currently worshipped or if you prefer out of the top 5)
pauljn147 2 years ago
Sorry, but that was the catholics, had nothing to do with christianity. And why would you judge God for the actions of humans. makes no sense. thats like saying because I ate one bad hamburger from McDonalds, Im never eating food again. Please dont reject God on that basis.
djvdiddy 2 years ago
I hate to pop your bubble but the Catholic church is the largest CHRISTIAN church in the world. What's more you can't cherry pick the bits of the bible you like and ignore all the bits you disapprove of. THAT makes no sense. BTW your spelling is appalling
pauljn147 2 years ago
Why is it that theists are so arrogant to think that humans should know everything? You like to feel up on your high horse because you can answer any question ever asked with a single answer. "God's Plan" or "God did it".
Atheists can man up to the fact that some things are unknown in the world, and this is the force that drives us to discover new technologies to help humanity. Theists could sit around dying of plague and just be thinking "God will save us when it's part of his plan."
Suudsu2200 2 years ago
H: Not all evolutionists are atheists and not all atheists are evolutionists. I can explain if you need, but you just regressed into the moral category. Oops out of sequence again.
Then you devolve into quoting scripture. I´ve read the Bible in three languages and it doesn´t prove itself.
... so they didn´t surely die the day they ate the apple. Was that a lie or what? Conclusion: saying ´only Christianity´ makes you a bigot and a xenophobe.
oalemdemadrid 2 years ago
I can defeat the Bible by finding and exploiting it's contradictions in a chain link.
See this phrase?
The statement is false.
The first statement is true.
- They trump each other.
islusho777 2 years ago
Neither atheism nor religion can be defeated.
Oh and i love how he starts off his video.
Hypocrisy lmao.
95% of people who go to church are hypocrites. Uniformity of Nature- thats another funny one
onepiecerules01 2 years ago
the fact still remains that there is no evidence of GOD. Who is this guy. Why would allow such terrible things to happen. This complete bullshit and a waste of time. I was hoping to learn something today, but I clearly didnt
onepiecerules01 2 years ago
All you do when you cite God as the reasons for these things is to push it back one. Doesn't make sense.
watermelonygoodness 2 years ago
You get your morals from the Bible. So it's okay to commit infanticide and genocide? God does it in the Bible so it must be okay. Uniformity of nature does not prove the existence of God in any way. Saying the laws of logic exist because they exist in the mind of God is the same as saying the laws of logic exist because they exist in the minds of you or I. Human beings have dignity... I don't see why this needs to be accounted for.
watermelonygoodness 2 years ago
The bible is true, because the bible says so. I love that argument, it's ridiculous.
e15364 2 years ago 2
yeah e15364 the Bible is true because the Bible says so and science is wrong because science says so.
I feel like I´m taking crazy pills!
oalemdemadrid 2 years ago
The god of the bible is a bloodthirsty MONSTER. The bible is a comic book. No... the bible is a porn mag.
rddaos 2 years ago
Using science to negate science? It's been a while since I've seen something so flawed.
LovexandxRage 2 years ago
im gunna go spank one out after this video :D
loyesj 2 years ago
Great series!
spiderpam 2 years ago
You're attempting to use an intellectual argument to prove that god can save you from your intellect.
How very insidious of you.
Also, Hitler was a Roman Catholic.
We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out. - Adolf Hitler
twoAholes 2 years ago
Now do Stalin :)
wood9670 2 years ago
*Do* Stalin?
twoAholes 2 years ago
Since the bible has already been debunked so many times over, tell me again about your M.U.C.H. theory using something outside your novel.
TheLionOfMars 2 years ago 2
in your own words, how has the Bible been debunked exactly?
ThePerrynator 2 years ago
morals part is absolutely laughable slavery infanticide anyone, uniformed is laughable as well with lame vague bible quotes, concepts- lol ditto, human dignity- so in order for us to be like god we should sacrifice each of our own sons so we can have forgiveness, human dignity stop embarrassing yourself with these videos.
izbo10 2 years ago
p.s. im sorry if i missed the point and this was a comedy spoof video, but i doubt that.
izbo10 2 years ago
Morals from the bible !!! As your president says " you guys just have not been reading your bibles". Childish bronze age thinking at its best.
Munro1Man 2 years ago
Your atheism is every bit as "bronze age" as my Faith. Ever hear of Socrates? Pretty darn famous Atheist from... when was that... oh yeah... BRONZE AGE GREECE! So if you're going to argue that my religion is invalid because it comes from the Bronze Age (though actually it predates the Bronze Age), then your atheism is equally invalid because people have been thinking like you for thousands of years. I guess we both need new ideas. Care to pull one out of your ass?
yeahbuddy2 2 years ago
Well we could always take morals from those who despise the Bible. I hear Stalin and Hitler were quite the shining examples in their day.
Also, Isn't it interesting how a lot of countries that ban religion are communist?
Also, I think it would be nice if you read those Bible stories in context. To say that context doesn't matter is a huge lie.
ThePerrynator 2 years ago
So uniformity of nature is evidence for god?
Is resurrection of Jesus evidence for god?
How about the Sun staying put for that battle, I don't remember which? Immaculate conception?
Look, you can't argue that uniformity AND NON-uniformity (the aforementioned miracles) are both evidence for god. This is not evidence, because you cannot conceive a configuration of the universe, which would disprove god. What ever the universe would be like, you can just say "HA, god made it that way!"
tomaz2007 2 years ago
So when you do beat your slaves you make sure they linger and suffer for a couple of days before they die? Just good ol' biblical morality.
jroyals26 2 years ago 2
jroyals26, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Who ever said anything about beating slaves being Biblical morality? Certainly not I.
yeahbuddy2 2 years ago
The bible. So by you beliefs god!
jroyals26 2 years ago
jroyals is referring to verses in the bible that mandate slavery. there are verses in leviticus, exodus, deuteronomy and others that ask us to stone people to death for trivial offenses (like picking up sticks on the sabbath, or sleeping with a woman who's on her period) ...it also condones slavery, not to mention that God himself drowns and kills thousands of his own innocent people. The bible is a HORRIBLE example of morality.
seabrain 2 years ago
*sigh*. words for thought sir: the bible was written 100% by HUMANS. humans can LIE. humans can DECEIVE. humans have proven time and time again the ability to persuade a gross number of people to believe in something. think about this. what popularized christianity? a WAR. it says "thou shalt not kill" yet a war brought it into the royal light which spread it FORCEFULLY onto peasants. i could make a huge religion too if i had millions of loyal peons and a thousand years of control.
kukulza 2 years ago 2
kukulza, you have great skill in taking things out of context, you know that? First off, taking the authorship of the Scriptures out of context. Just because you don't believe in Divine Inspiration, that doesn't make you right about the Bible being written by men who lie and deceive. And what's more, Christianity was already rather widespread throughout the Roman Empire by Constantine's day, and he wasn't the first Christian ruler either. Armenia and Georgia beat him to it. Have a nice day.
yeahbuddy2 2 years ago
Can you prove the divinity of the bible. I'll wait.
adansuperman 2 years ago
ugh, you DONT get your morals from the bible. the bible suggests stoning your kids if they do bad things, is that one of your morals??
and your argument that "humans are not actually animals so it doesn't count if they eat other animals" also fails. first, you have no proof they aren't, and second... all other animals eat other animals too, what about them?
Metsodok 2 years ago
See Christians do get their morals from the bible. Most cruelty was shed through the Old testament. After Christ came, he gave an example on how to rebuild our morals and live life. After Mary Magdalen was stoned, Jesus came to her and helped her. So does this mean that our morals include stoning our neighbor? No.
BFOwings 2 years ago
It's in the bible, lets get some slaves.
jroyals26 2 years ago
It is in the bible that people would own slaves. See your only referring to the Old Testament. If your going to use the bible then I would suggest to use it in a more though out way. See the bible includes both Old and New Testaments, in which the old did have slaves and the new did not. See since the NEW came after the old, the NEW is a much more reliant way to see what still is and what is not.
BFOwings 2 years ago
I've always thought that you can tell all you need to know about abrahamic religions from the story of genesis: The first sin is eating fruit from the tree of knowledge!
Religion wants you dumb and to stay dumb!
acme181169 2 years ago 2
You're leaving out the key words here, acme. Typical of someone who wants to make a point where there is none. It was the Tree of the Knowledge OF GOOD AND EVIL. Instead of trusting in God, the Creator of all good things, Adam and Eve chose to disobey, and seek for themselves their own way of doing things. But nothing sub-divine can ever acheive a better way than the divine. Adam and Eve sinned, and deserved Hell. Instead, God promised a Saviour from sin. That is the REAL message of Genesis 3.
yeahbuddy2 2 years ago
Yes, it came to the bible - OF COURSE THE ULTIMATE MORALS FOR ALL LIVING THINGS COME FROM THE SAME BOOK THAT CLAIMS THAT PI IS A ROUND NUMBER - as soon as a theist points at the bible, its instant win for any opponent because of it being so demonstrably wrong on so many things it could not even be trusted to be spelling correctly on the cover!
GronTheMighty 2 years ago 2
just by saying the the logical absolutes exist in god's mind still doesn't explain where they "come from"...you lose. :P
rtarbinar 2 years ago
M- There are things that are immoral in the bible and moral today because of "social approval" (i.e. Doing stuff on the Sabbath). Also, there is biblical 'objective morality' that must be taken subjectively (i.e. Honor your mother and father... How does one do that?)
C- If we are made in God's image, shouldn't we all ALWAYS be logical and right and perfect? If humans can be irrational and wrong, cant God be, too?
H- God tells humans to kill other humans in the Bible. Nuff Said.
latiasneo3 2 years ago 2
I loved the last bit...
"Turn to Christ and be saved from your intellect."
Brilliant stuff...
Yakovich 2 years ago 2
epic. be saved from your intellect everyone! back to the stone age with all of you so you may truly live as this man says! lolol. love ignorant, outspoken christians. such dull individuals.
kukulza 2 years ago
Yes, this guy does use some rather stupid words at times, and the ending was definately a dumb thing to say. Christianity is not at all about putting your intelect on hold. Heck, some of Science's greatest minds were Christian. Louis Pasteur is my favourite example.
yeahbuddy2 2 years ago
i'm not going to dig up christian or not scientists but there are 2 things are work that easily account for christian scientists. 1. compartmentalized thought. basically, it's the human capability to trick yourself into maintaining two contradictory facts in your mind and treating both as true. a proven occurrence. 2. the best way to defy sheep is to dress in sheep's clothes and overthrow them from the inside out. scientists were christians because they'd be exiled otherwise.
kukulza 2 years ago
"I believe that science brings me closer to God" Louis Pasteur. He never fit into either of your categories. Neither did Sir Isaac Newton. Nor Pascal. Nor Mendel. Point is, sir, that religion and science are not mutually exclusionary nor contradictory. Not all religious people listen to science, and not all scientific thinkers have a religion, but the two are not contradictory in anyway.
yeahbuddy2 2 years ago
because i'm sure before compartmentalized thought was defined someone would have admitted to utilizing it... perfect sense. but that's beside the point. if you took what i said as meaning it's impossible to do both then that's my bad. all i meant was that just because they were considered christian didn't mean they really were. due to their circumstances. inevitably tho you're going to reach contradictions as well as peer/work complications. either leading to doublethink , compart., or convert.
kukulza 2 years ago
These videos started out as interesting, but end in a disgraceful heap of nonsense.
Moral - incorrect as no sane person would take his moral from the bible.
Uniformity - ridiculous, the bible is very poor at describing nature and would be laughable if presented as science.
Concept - again nonsense as religion brings nothing to the subject.
Human dignity - same as moral
I pity the author for his lack of basic understanding of the world and indeed the actual nature of religion.
frilans 2 years ago
Drivel.
garrett2104 2 years ago
god is not moral just becuase he makes things! the cosmos is balanced because of cause and effect the natural forces balance each other out. why is there one god? im an ape proud of it and your faith takes from pagen ideas wich takes from karma your bible has some morals but it has more inmorals!!
nezahualcoyotl85 2 years ago
I wish people would learn what the word Atheist means before they argue against it.
locouru 2 years ago 2
I would like to thank you for giving me this oportunity to listen to the voice of a narrow mind.
rtottenc 2 years ago
i've watched ur videos and this a conclusion: BULL! u r crass at what u do. u assume that if atheism is wrong then god must exist. crock! u have no evidence for what u believe. all u do is say that science cant explain everything. well, would u care to give a prediction for the next 100 years of what the weather will be or have god do it for u? was mother teresa a morally bankrupt person? was sarte a philosophically bankrupt person? u r either inconsistent, ignorant, or a liar if not all three!
Rib64 2 years ago
would u like to hear why your argument is untenable? "GOD DID IT!" oh and ur morals demand u stone ppl who don't obey the sabbath. and the bible says the earth is flat and surronded by a dome called the sky. is anything but consistent. i recall biblical figures who came down to heaven to speak w/ jc. well, how did they go to heaven if they didn't get there through jesus? oh, and HUMAN DIGNITY, what an injustice u do there, u can read my post on the 1st video for that.
Rib64 2 years ago
"We get our morals from the bible."
No you don't. Your interpretation of the bible is dependent on the culture you were raised as a part of, the people you associated with / were influenced by / listened to. Any interpretation of the bible is... subjective!
"You know why we can predict the weather for next week?"
Couldn't be science, could it? Seriously, explain to me how without a god, it would be raining skittles next week.
"Atheism is morally bankrupt."
Yeah, never heard that one before.
mystermix 2 years ago
Deut 21:18-21
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
That's moral?!
analubalitious 2 years ago
Ok, let's say you're right, atheism is bad, wrong and all that. But I still don't belive in god! So what should I do? I'm not an atheist because I think it's right but because I just don't belive in god, simple. (But that doesen't mean I don't belive atheism is right)
And if I suddenly thought "there is a god!" why should I ever turn to christianity? There is plenty of options... Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism, Shinto or some other religion that I haven't mentioned...
Prinskorvkungen 2 years ago
My Goodness! You know I am apalled with some the of atheist comments on here. They are just as bad as some of the Christians who get offended so easily. LOL!
zmode82 2 years ago
Very nice video. Although it relies purely on the logic it can somehow explain the faith. But faith is really a supernatural gift. It's really goes against our ego and logic...it cannot be framed since it points to God Who also cannot be framed. I know...since I tried to search for God through the logic...it just doesn't work that way. Soon one will realize that faith is a gift from God. It's in fact, not the weakness, but power which can overpass our limited mind, there for logic and giant ego.
darijo203 2 years ago 2
Yet again, Xians trying to use logic when they have no idea what logic is. Yeah, we don't need to look for answers in science cos magic sky man dun it. Garbage, pure garbage.
telboy1966manu 2 years ago
The bible gives us morals?! I guess I have to kill my 3 year old since she disobeyed me today and kill my husband for working on the Sabbath. Damn.
MeaganHen 2 years ago
I agree there probably is no God that establishes morals. I mean why should a government run by corrupt men be given the right to judge me for being corrupt. So why not kill my wife and kids if they piss me off? Yeah! Im a free man! When I get married I'm going to let my wife know, its my or I am throwing you off the highway! This is a man's world woman get used to it. LOL! J/k I love the ladies, I dont know about kids yet, they do piss me off, and I dont wanna go to hell neither.
zmode82 2 years ago
Individual atheist beliefs vary. Atheism only implies a lack of belief in a god. You speak of science, logic, and amazingly reason as if they were bad things. It would be very interesting seeing a society try to get along without using science logic or reason and part of me would love to watch the attempts if i were not part of said society. Go ahead and try not using any of these things, if you are not damaged in the head you have to use some sort of reasoning.
hawkxtm 2 years ago
You get you morals from the bible? have you read it? All of the answers to your arguments are in the library hundreds of hundreds of book and information on these subjects. You should do the research before you make claims....
jasason10 2 years ago
I found it amazing that this particular creationist hasn't started censoring his channel and disabled voting.
snake918 2 years ago
As for "H", this is hardly a challenge. Cows are not people. It's brain isn't developed, so it's hardly sentient.
Also, "H" for Human dignity is something lacking in the Bible. The baby butchering genocides of Joshua have no human dignity.
highwind8124 2 years ago
I found these videos rather amusing. WRONG in so many ways. Unintelligent and lacking in any real critical thinking, reasoning and logic. But amusing none the less.
HumblePhilosopher 3 years ago 2
M - morals from society. If everyone did as they pleased, a society would destroy itself (as we can see today). Morals are a comprimise between people living together
U - There is no uniformity in life. You can never 100% predict an eclipse or the weather, its always a rough guess
C - nothing is absolutely universal. We create logic like A cannot be non-A because that is what we observe. On that look at Schrodinger's cat
H - Human dignity is similar to morals in that we create them
ThinkAndRead 3 years ago
No i suppose not. But just don't assume someones a fundamentalist just because they're Christian, You should know better than that.
muzik313 3 years ago
Ok. Just know that most Christians know that sort of thing is immoral. You should open your mind to appreciating the more intelligent thoughtful Christians, instead of finding Fundamentalist ones to criticize. It would make my job a whole lot easier.
muzik313 3 years ago
Ok, just watch out and make sure you're not discriminating because to many people's surprise, There are some good Christians our there, you just have to pay attention.
muzik313 3 years ago
Homosexuality is personal. And Just because I attend a Christian church and believe in the Christian god doesn't mean that you can tell me what I can and cannot accept as moral law from my holy book. It can be interpreted in hundreds of ways so you can't say that objectively it is one way or another.
muzik313 3 years ago
I get my morals from the bible, I was just arguing that the old testament law isn't the Christian moral standard and arguing that it is is just a pessimistic approach to Christianity, you're just trying to find everything wrong, even if you have to misinterpret the bible.
muzik313 3 years ago
My PERSONAL beliefs promote love, and understanding, and that's what my church teaches. I'm not going to argue the old testament with you because you're unwilling to accept my rebuttle but just know that we want to love people, (not all of us) but a large majority do and you should be happy about that and accept us. I'm not forcing my beliefs on you, (some people might) but not me. again if I promise not to kill or hurt anyone, are my beliefs a big problem to you?
muzik313 3 years ago
You can't classify me by other people of my religion. I could say that you like commiting genocide because Stalin was atheist. It's not logical, or fair.
muzik313 3 years ago
Ok well as long as I promise not to kill/stone anybody, is my religion going to be a problem for you?
muzik313 3 years ago
We aren't stoning any homosexuals are we? at least i'm not. What verse is it that jesus said that? just curious
muzik313 3 years ago
Just because we get morality from the bible, doesn't mean that every line in the bible is a moral law. Those old testament laws were laws intended for old time Isreal. They were placed to maintain God's ultimate plan. But the New Testament abolished old laws. Us Christians know those aren't the current laws. We follow Jesus' teachings.
muzik313 3 years ago
it's not that i don't like it. it's just that i don't think it's something worth my time worrying about.
muzik313 3 years ago
I don't understand why you're so upset. I think that sex is meant for a man and a woman, but if you want to be gay, then go for it, but i'm not going to support it. I'm not going to discriminate either.
muzik313 3 years ago
In my eyes, it's not the way marriage should be. It doesn't help reproduce. I don't have a real problem with homosexuals, and I really couldn't care less, i'm just not down with it.
muzik313 3 years ago
Why do you assume that everything I say comes from the bible, and that's what all of my life evolves around. I'm not a puritan or none of that. I'm a Christian but that doesn't mean you can assume my beliefs. Don't you think are people who aren't Christians who aren't down with the gay scene?
muzik313 3 years ago
Ok well whether animals do it or not it's just not my thing. Is that really that big of a problem. I mean i'm not going to go out and start attacking them, but i'm just not down with it. Is that a big deal?
muzik313 3 years ago
well do you think there is a purpose for that? Do you think it's on accident? They don't have any reason to partake in homosexual activity it doesn't advance them in any way.
muzik313 3 years ago
That's what our nature was meant for. reproduction with the opposite sex. It's just how it's supposed to work
muzik313 3 years ago
I don't care about homosexuals, they really aren't hurting anyone. I wouldn't be a homosexual myself and I think marriage should be between a man and a woman, but we can't all agree on that
muzik313 3 years ago
i don't understand what you're saying?
muzik313 3 years ago
Then why quote bible verses at us to try to prove something about the moral values. If you read from leviticus and deuteronomy and believe those are our morals, then you have a twisted view on christianity. The old testament gives us historical context for the new testament.
muzik313 3 years ago
I cant take very seriously a Christian showing me scripture, with that in mind i can show you some very nasty stuff from the bible, that im pretty sure you already know.
I have a question: In the first or second part you said 'God see the future', or something like that.Now, the common explanation is that God did it to test Abraham's feith: "Do not hurt him in any way, for now I know that you truly fear God", so afterall he cant see the future. This is only one comparison of a lot of flaws.
SecularWorld 3 years ago
I got a part of the last message chopped, i was talking about Genesis 22, the famous Abraham story, when god commanded him to kill his son.
SecularWorld 3 years ago
You have misunderstood the purpose of the test. It was not for God to learn for Himself how strong Abraham's Faith was, but rather, to strengthen Abraham's Faith, and to be symbolic of the coming Messiah, for God provided the lamb to be sacrificed in place of Isaac, just as Jesus was the Lamb to be sacrificed in place of us.
yeahbuddy2 3 years ago
That was totally innecesary, was really needed to ask him such a horrible thing in the first place? I mean, Abraham was speaking with god directly, there was no need for his faith to be tested, thats clearly not the message that the bible tried to teach, thats just 'obbey, no matter what'.
Also, after all God doesnt know how much faith i have on him?
There is a lot of inconsistency in the moral teachings, even if you take them metaphorically, not literally.
SecularWorld 3 years ago