@jfryerfresh I work with two different police departments, and I agree with you that is a technique used by many pursuing leo's in these situations but it would be immediately picked back up by local when they arrive and the pursuit would start yet again.
gtasalova6969, it's like a criminal with many hostages (public). They need to take a head shot before some innocent person(s) get murdered by the criminal. Shoot her/him in the back of the head as soon as they run a red light or start driving reckless. Just do it before a street hostage gets killed. The criminal has a choice to stop or attempt to murder someone on the street with there weapon, the vehicle. If they murder someone, they should get the death penalty.
Rules of engagement vary from state to state, in most states if it is perceived that the chase/ vehicle pursuit is or has become too dangerous a high ranking official sends the order to terminate or discontinue the pursuit. in most likely the city or county picked up the pursuit or followed the vehicle from a safe distance.
@piglett2195 firing upon a moving vehicle isn't always allowed during a pursuit in most states and is VERY dangerous due to the possible ratchets. The guy was later caught either way.
I'd rather the badguy have one point and officers zero then have a school bus going 90 mph down residential roads kill someone innocent. Good call by the officer.
@WolfGuy100 he's a state trooper he can't be chasing inside the city or doing traffic stops..only on highways and freeways I'm sure that the local salt lake police department took over the presuit
@lawdog53 Before calling someone a dumbass you should really think about the fact that sport events are held at night and buses transport the players back to the school at NIGHT. Obviously you haven't been in school for a long time.
@TyWhite96 I havent been to school and im 13 yeah ok sure waterver u say.. atleast im geting myself a education and being a cop when i get older loser goodl uck
Like to see this guy come to Georgia and see what the Georgia State Patrol would have done. I can promise you that the red light wouldnt have stopped that chase
Like to see this guy come to Georgia and see what the Georgia State Patrol would have done. I can promise you that that red light wouldnt have stopped that chase
@jbcurlee21 yeah that would be the same with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol they would not stop for nothing unless the bus was stopped and the idiot was in handcuffs.
they terminated because of danger. plus it was a trooper. he probably didnt know the city streets and they way the bus was going, its way too dangerous to pursue for a property crime.
when the chase goes into a busy city and they are speeding..... they have to call it off, it is too dangerous and worse things could happen to people on bicycles or foot
@CSILCPD I used to be a Sheriff's Deputy, the Trooper here called off the chase for public safety. When in a pursuit you operate with the public's safety in mind. In theory, if you stop chasing something it will stop running. So if he called off the chase the bus will stop driving so erraticly.
@CSILCPD It all just depends. They were chasing the school bus initially for a hit-and-run and he also hit one car while the Trooper was chasing and he tried to get the Trooper to run into the back of him. Apparently he didn't care who he hit. Maybe the air unit wasn't available, I have no idea. I personally wouldn't have called off the chase YET. I would of waited until we had more units following him and if he didn't chase his behavior at all, I also would of called off the chase.
@CSILCPD My only guess is it's not worth chasing him on those smaller surface streets with the way he was driving. They can obviously identify a bus later on when they find him later :P
@CSILCPD because with a pursuit like that it's very dangerous for citizens and officers involved. the police wait for a helicopter to show up and it watches the suspect until he stops then the police move in. Usually when the police are chasing someone they drive recklessly to escape but as soon as the police back off the suspect will calm down and not drive so crazy.
@CSILCPD because if he is willing to run a 2ton bus through a red light then he is very desperate. he could kill someone at the next light luckily no one was coming then.
@CSILCPD well, he's actually handing it off to the city cops since that is their jurisdiction...and he doesn't want to keep the suspect agitated by continuing to chase him
@chpman2013 so if the state trooper stopped chasing him and the city cops did...how would that keep him from being agitated? Your explination makes no sense lol
@Hbryant188 because the suspect is in a fight or flight state of mind, and he's determined to get away from the pursuing trooper anyway he can..(ie, the instances of where he tries to "brake-check" the trooper by slamming on the brakes to make him crash, and another instance when he clipped that k-9 unit)....the city cops (or county cops) would get him later on...but between the time the trooper terminated the chase and the time the city cops would get on him, the dude was alone
Well then you must be right. In this school did they teach you about run on sentences? Site a reference instead of using the because I said so mentality. Your refusal to site any source shows you're full of it. Yeah I am sure that's the reason he didn't get the job. If anyone with your mentatlity can get on the job, which i highly doubt you really are a cop, then anyone can. What department do you work for?
I quote, ""The burden of proof " that your talking about is using deadly force against the individual however it does not apply towards using deadly force on vehicle."
So if a suspect that you're pursuing in Utah were to open fire on you from the vehicle, you're not allowed to shoot out the tires? You can only aim at the suspect? For being a LEO on the job for 7 years you don't sound too smart. Amazing as it sounds, Utah law isn't the law everywhere else in the US.
Look up this case. Roosevelt police officer T.J. Bird was justified in using deadly force while trying to arrest Gary M. Wheeler following a brief vehicle pursuit.
Well apparently you're wrong. Police in Utah are allowed to use deadly force at a vehicle. Show a case that says officers in Utah are not allowed to fire their weapons at vehicle tires. You make all these claims but have submitted zero proof of your statements. I am not a cop in Utah. I'd kill myself before I moved there!
@golapd Shooting at a driver in a vehicle is not the same as shooting out the tires of w vehicle... Yes you can shoot at a suspect in a vehicle that may cause you or another person harm... NO you cannot shoot out the tires to stop a vehicle from moving. Those are two COMPLETELY different things. Your case shows nothing. After going to school for Law Enforcement and being one for seven years now I would think I would know what you can an cannot do as a police officer.
@yellowfungis Google this story: UPDATE: Carolina Beach Police shoot out suspect's tire. This is from my state. Does the state of Utah not consider a vehicle a deadly weapon? You seem pretty adamant that the courts in Utah have clearly stated that officers are prohibited from shooting out a suspects tires in ALL cases. Please reference a court case that this precedent has been stipulated in the state of Utah.
@golapd I never said that all states are the same way I said MOST states so get your facts right. Shooting at a moving vehicle from a moving vehicle is not smart because there are too many factor involved. Im not a cop in Utah, Im a cop in Minnesota. The statutes are written with almost the same wording for authorized use of deadly force. Court precedents are set and that is how the law is then defined followed by those decisions.
@golapd cops make split second choices that doesn't mean they always make the right ones (im not saying your example was wrong). you still didn't give a a court case. I can show you news stories and videos of cops doing things they are not supposed to but they still do. Long story short this is how im going to end this discussion. Laws are different in some places.
@yellowfungis You can stop the discussion I don't care. The clear fact is you're wrong. State law doesn't state police can not shoot out the tires of a moving vehicle. The actual departmental policy determines whether or not an officer can discharge his firearm at a moving vehicle (tire) or not. No court in Minnesota or any state in the country would side with a defendant if an officer were to shoot the tires out of a vehicle that was about to run over a citizen or fellow officer. NONE!
@golapd I went to school and discussed this very same thing in a class I know what most states can and cant do for this because we talked about it because we had some eager kid who though he was gonna be a cop asked the same question and tried to debate it to the end that he was right. That same guy is currently working as mall security because he couldn't get a job.
Shooting a car tire is using deadly force. An officer discharing his firearm is designated as using deadly force. This code makes no mention of it being against the law for an officer to discharge his weapon at a vehicle. Show me that law.
(i) the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a felony offense involving the infliction or threatened infliction of death or serious bodily injury; or (ii) the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect poses a threat of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or to others if apprehension is delayed; or
In these situations officers are permitted to use deadly force. That includes shooting out tires moron!
@golapd You can believe that all you want but it has to be directed towards the suspect you are trying to capture. Courts have defined it that way and what the court says goes. You obviously are not a police officer because if you asked one they would know that. Believe me if it was allowed to shoot out tires in pursuits I would have done it along time ago.
76-2-404. Peace officer's use of deadly force. (1) A peace officer, or any person acting by his command in his aid and assistance, is justified in using deadly force when: (a) the officer is acting in obedience to and in accordance with the judgment of a competent court in executing a penalty of death under Subsection 77-18-5.5(3) or (4);
@19914568 In most states it is against the law for police to shoot out the tires because it is dangerous and has a chance of ricochet. The officer would be fired if they did. That is the reason they created stop sticks (spike strips) however it isn't always easy and it is also very dangerous for an officer to deploy them especially when its a school bus.
@19914568 Well the officers care because they want to keep there job and if the bus or cop would have hit someone while chasing through the busy city streets the department would get a lot of heat from the public who dont understand police work.
@golapd Yes it would be against the Law. The State is the one who authorizes the police powers and in most states it would be against the state statute (Law) to use deadly force in that situation.
@yellowfungis Stats laws do not spell out each scenario that an officer may use deadly force. If an offier feels his or a fellow officers life or a private citizens life is in danger they can use deadly force. The only burden of proof is for them to explain that imminent danger. If they do that successfully they are cleared. There are no state laws that say police officers can not shoot out tires. If you think there are, you're a moron!
@yellowfungis Stats laws do not spell out each scenario that an officer may use deadly force. If an offier feels his or a fellow officers life or a private citizens life is in danger they can use deadly force. The only burden of proof is for them to explain that imminent danger. If they do that successfully they are cleared. There are no state laws that say police officers can not shoot out tires. If you think there are, you're an idiot!
@golapd you sir are in fact wrong... Utah Code Title: 76 Chapter: 2 Section: 404 Peace officer's use of deadly force... you can go look it up if the situation does not fall under any of those categories they can NOT use deadly force and will be punished. "The burden of proof " that your talking about is using deadly force against the individual however it does not apply towards using deadly force on vehicle. Some states allow it but Utah is not one of them the courts will not accept it.
@yellowfungis (b) effecting an arrest or preventing an escape from custody following an arrest, where the officer reasonably believes that deadly force is necessary to prevent the arrest from being defeated by escape; and
There's an easy solution to that problem... If there are no children aboard, then shoot the bus's tires out. Thats what I would have done. At the drop of a hat I might add.
@ewtng In most states it is against the law for police to shoot out the tires because it is dangerous and has a chance of ricochet. The officer would be fired if they did. That is the reason they created stop sticks (spike strips) however it isn't always easy and it is also very dangerous for an officer to deploy them especially when its a school bus.
Thats why police departments should have police busses. Well maybe not but think of it, it would be cool to see 2 busses duking it out. lol
tillamookice 1 day ago
@BRAVOADD i hopr youre joking
ussoccerman88 1 week ago
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it's so wierd seeing this, I always drive i-15 in salt lake city for work, kind of strange knowing exactly where they are
maetar 1 week ago
Must not have wanted to drag out out his police report huh?
BRAVOADD 1 month ago
@BRAVOADD Yeah, it couldn't be because the bus weighs 10 tons and would obliterate a family blowing through a red light.
BoxerTwoZero 1 month ago
eh wot happened ?
toejam1200 1 month ago
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Red Light=Gas Station Doughnut
ridem92 2 months ago
There was a change in jurisdiction, that's why the pursuing trooper stopped because local was going to pick it up.
chuckproductionscm 2 months ago
@chuckproductionscm No, they stopped following him because of the danger. He would drive more calmly without being pursued!
jfryerfresh 1 month ago
@jfryerfresh If you listened to the radio calls you can hear another officer going to the area to pick up from where the highway patrolman was.
chuckproductionscm 1 month ago
@chuckproductionscm Yes, I heard that but trust me, that's not why he stopped pursuing the suspect!
jfryerfresh 1 month ago
@jfryerfresh I work with two different police departments, and I agree with you that is a technique used by many pursuing leo's in these situations but it would be immediately picked back up by local when they arrive and the pursuit would start yet again.
chuckproductionscm 1 month ago
Fucking Pussy Mormon cop!
bilgewater79 2 months ago
and what was the end whit the scool bus driver ?
MrFordShelby 2 months ago
Smart officer!!! He did the right thing!!!
gtasalova6969 2 months ago
@gtasalova6969
gtasalova6969, it's like a criminal with many hostages (public). They need to take a head shot before some innocent person(s) get murdered by the criminal. Shoot her/him in the back of the head as soon as they run a red light or start driving reckless. Just do it before a street hostage gets killed. The criminal has a choice to stop or attempt to murder someone on the street with there weapon, the vehicle. If they murder someone, they should get the death penalty.
12dollarsand78cents 2 months ago
the cop heard that there was fresh donuts at the gas station the officer had no choice he had to stop lol..
firewallsniper 2 months ago
@firewallsniper Are you being serious or joking?
TyWhite96 2 months ago
@TyWhite96 i am not to sure what i rote but i am sure i was having fun with whatever i wrote lol..
firewallsniper 2 months ago
thats dumb as shit! how the fuck are you just gonna drop a pursuit like that!
Icandrum2 2 months ago
WOW, IF IT IS REALLY THAT EASY TO RUN FROM THE COPS AT 9:47 THEN I AM GOING TO START RUNNING FROM COPS NOW ON.
freeagent7Scott 2 months ago
@freeagent7Scott Ok good luck with that.
TyWhite96 2 months ago
there is prolly another video of this with some guy crying about how he used his light to stop traffic to go to the gas station xD
Carnage11B 2 months ago
Rules of engagement vary from state to state, in most states if it is perceived that the chase/ vehicle pursuit is or has become too dangerous a high ranking official sends the order to terminate or discontinue the pursuit. in most likely the city or county picked up the pursuit or followed the vehicle from a safe distance.
acoachman88 3 months ago
@acoachman88 shoot out the tires to slow the bus down then wait till it stops
piglett2195 2 months ago
@piglett2195 firing upon a moving vehicle isn't always allowed during a pursuit in most states and is VERY dangerous due to the possible ratchets. The guy was later caught either way.
acoachman88 2 months ago
do any one want to know why cop not stop bus ?? reason cop car out of gas that why cop go stop gas store lol
BigBlock490 3 months ago
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J3TPILOT1991 3 months ago
I'd rather the badguy have one point and officers zero then have a school bus going 90 mph down residential roads kill someone innocent. Good call by the officer.
DrunkTr33 3 months ago
WTF?! why did the chase end?????????!
supervideowatcher500 3 months ago
woww... when the charger floor... i cum... hahaha
hotwhells20 3 months ago
@hotwhells20 The one in this video is a crown vic not a charger.
TyWhite96 3 months ago
@TyWhite96 WOW, anyway awsome sound!
hotwhells20 3 months ago
@hotwhells20 look up Hennesseys fleet of vehicles if you havent done so already. Hennessey Performance . Com ....
acoachman88 3 months ago
@hotwhells20 sorry man, but that is a Ford 4.6L V8 that you're hearin'...not a HEMI
chpman2013 2 months ago
if the officer had continued the pursuit and the bus had blown through another red light striking a vehicle then the outcome would've been much worse
yodawgwoof 3 months ago
That's absolutely ridiculous that you cancel after he runs ONE red light !! Come on, that was a waste of time
spunkpirate 3 months ago
At the end...why would the cop just stopped chasing after that guy?
WolfGuy100 4 months ago
@WolfGuy100 he's a state trooper he can't be chasing inside the city or doing traffic stops..only on highways and freeways I'm sure that the local salt lake police department took over the presuit
mazurkaawic 3 months ago
It's Obv. he needed gas..
xXP3CXx 4 months ago
that was the biggest waste of my time
KyleMothafuckinAnder 4 months ago
I know some cities have a no chase policy? IDK if salt lake is one of those though.
gfteddygrahams 4 months ago
what the hell was that??????????????????
MrShaboo21 4 months ago
i bet the kids on the bus were scared shitless
TyWhite96 4 months ago
@TyWhite96 Dude -.- it night time why would kids be on that bus going to school at night??? GET a brain a some one stole tha bus #Dumbass
lawdog53 3 months ago
@lawdog53 Before calling someone a dumbass you should really think about the fact that sport events are held at night and buses transport the players back to the school at NIGHT. Obviously you haven't been in school for a long time.
TyWhite96 3 months ago
@TyWhite96 I havent been to school and im 13 yeah ok sure waterver u say.. atleast im geting myself a education and being a cop when i get older loser goodl uck
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@lawdog53 Well now we all know why you are so inmature...you are only 13.
TyWhite96 3 months ago
@TyWhite96 why would there be kids on a stolen bus at 5:30 in the morning, when they're still at home either sleeping or getting ready for school?
chpman2013 2 months ago
@chpman2013 IDK why the hell is everybody such an ass these days?
TyWhite96 2 months ago
@TyWhite96 I was just bein' logical
chpman2013 2 months ago
@chpman2013 there is only the driver
ridem92 2 months ago
he just wanted to stop for a doughnut break
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Like to see this guy come to Georgia and see what the Georgia State Patrol would have done. I can promise you that the red light wouldnt have stopped that chase
jbcurlee21 5 months ago
Like to see this guy come to Georgia and see what the Georgia State Patrol would have done. I can promise you that that red light wouldnt have stopped that chase
jbcurlee21 5 months ago
@jbcurlee21 yeah that would be the same with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol they would not stop for nothing unless the bus was stopped and the idiot was in handcuffs.
MrShaboo21 4 months ago
they terminated because of danger. plus it was a trooper. he probably didnt know the city streets and they way the bus was going, its way too dangerous to pursue for a property crime.
mdiggymac 5 months ago
@mdiggymac Yeah I agree bro.
RidingYamaha47 4 months ago
good job :))))
classmobile 5 months ago
You know it's a good police chase when a car passes you in the fast lane xD ( 2:36 )
Rad8895 5 months ago
That sucks. Nothing more irritating thank being told to terminate. Thanks for sharing.
raley87 5 months ago
I can see police stop because he pull over to petrol station for fill up fuel on police car! LMAO!
nlikos2007 5 months ago
Remind me to drive a school bus next time I wanna elude police... lol
SchoolInYa101 6 months ago
Did he get away
Tazz121298 6 months ago
@1:51 sudden stop
Tazz121298 6 months ago
Who the fuck runs from the cops with a bus? I guess he could not find a cement truck......
usmc2076 6 months ago
good call
ivan24077 6 months ago
good call at that time to stop the chase before someone got killed
Thatuptownguy 6 months ago
he fuckin got away i sat here ten minuites to see u drag this dirtbag out and ulet him get away well fuck u
ryanrockstar14 7 months ago
Wow, who steals a bus?
Duetschgas 7 months ago
when the chase goes into a busy city and they are speeding..... they have to call it off, it is too dangerous and worse things could happen to people on bicycles or foot
kralston89sb 7 months ago
Well, I probably would've terminated... but definitely would have followed it blacked out or something...
oregonninetwentynine 8 months ago
In the Great State of Texas you Sure as Hell Can Shoot out tires =)
Christian00151 8 months ago
Awesome dispatcher!!! Wow!
caleet 8 months ago
Salt Lake City has a no chase policy. I'm not sure if it applies to the UHP.
markjwil 9 months ago
Hell, I wouldn't let a red light in light traffic stop me if he rammed my buddy...
ben2028 10 months ago 6
why is the officer not pursuing the bus till it stops/is stopped? when the bus runs the red light he calls the pursuit off??
CSILCPD 10 months ago 6
@CSILCPD I used to be a Sheriff's Deputy, the Trooper here called off the chase for public safety. When in a pursuit you operate with the public's safety in mind. In theory, if you stop chasing something it will stop running. So if he called off the chase the bus will stop driving so erraticly.
DVA1492 9 months ago
@DVA1492 ok thank you for the information, but wouldn´t it be better to stay behind him with bigger distance so that you can arrest him if he stops?
or mabye use a air unit or different patrol cars just reporting the position of the errant driver
CSILCPD 9 months ago
@CSILCPD It all just depends. They were chasing the school bus initially for a hit-and-run and he also hit one car while the Trooper was chasing and he tried to get the Trooper to run into the back of him. Apparently he didn't care who he hit. Maybe the air unit wasn't available, I have no idea. I personally wouldn't have called off the chase YET. I would of waited until we had more units following him and if he didn't chase his behavior at all, I also would of called off the chase.
DVA1492 9 months ago
@CSILCPD My only guess is it's not worth chasing him on those smaller surface streets with the way he was driving. They can obviously identify a bus later on when they find him later :P
Rad8895 5 months ago
@CSILCPD because with a pursuit like that it's very dangerous for citizens and officers involved. the police wait for a helicopter to show up and it watches the suspect until he stops then the police move in. Usually when the police are chasing someone they drive recklessly to escape but as soon as the police back off the suspect will calm down and not drive so crazy.
Asstasticplastic2 3 months ago
@CSILCPD because if he is willing to run a 2ton bus through a red light then he is very desperate. he could kill someone at the next light luckily no one was coming then.
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8747800 3 months ago
@CSILCPD well, he's actually handing it off to the city cops since that is their jurisdiction...and he doesn't want to keep the suspect agitated by continuing to chase him
chpman2013 2 months ago
@chpman2013 so if the state trooper stopped chasing him and the city cops did...how would that keep him from being agitated? Your explination makes no sense lol
Hbryant188 2 months ago
@Hbryant188 because the suspect is in a fight or flight state of mind, and he's determined to get away from the pursuing trooper anyway he can..(ie, the instances of where he tries to "brake-check" the trooper by slamming on the brakes to make him crash, and another instance when he clipped that k-9 unit)....the city cops (or county cops) would get him later on...but between the time the trooper terminated the chase and the time the city cops would get on him, the dude was alone
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blondefoshizzle5 2 months ago
Well. That was anti-climatic...
dancinmike2004 10 months ago
@dancinmike2004 Nice try at sounding wise and scholarly, but the word is 'climactic'. LOL
WizardOfChicamunga 9 months ago
Well then you must be right. In this school did they teach you about run on sentences? Site a reference instead of using the because I said so mentality. Your refusal to site any source shows you're full of it. Yeah I am sure that's the reason he didn't get the job. If anyone with your mentatlity can get on the job, which i highly doubt you really are a cop, then anyone can. What department do you work for?
golapd 11 months ago
I quote, ""The burden of proof " that your talking about is using deadly force against the individual however it does not apply towards using deadly force on vehicle."
So if a suspect that you're pursuing in Utah were to open fire on you from the vehicle, you're not allowed to shoot out the tires? You can only aim at the suspect? For being a LEO on the job for 7 years you don't sound too smart. Amazing as it sounds, Utah law isn't the law everywhere else in the US.
golapd 11 months ago
Look up this case. Roosevelt police officer T.J. Bird was justified in using deadly force while trying to arrest Gary M. Wheeler following a brief vehicle pursuit.
Well apparently you're wrong. Police in Utah are allowed to use deadly force at a vehicle. Show a case that says officers in Utah are not allowed to fire their weapons at vehicle tires. You make all these claims but have submitted zero proof of your statements. I am not a cop in Utah. I'd kill myself before I moved there!
golapd 11 months ago
@golapd Shooting at a driver in a vehicle is not the same as shooting out the tires of w vehicle... Yes you can shoot at a suspect in a vehicle that may cause you or another person harm... NO you cannot shoot out the tires to stop a vehicle from moving. Those are two COMPLETELY different things. Your case shows nothing. After going to school for Law Enforcement and being one for seven years now I would think I would know what you can an cannot do as a police officer.
yellowfungis 11 months ago
@yellowfungis Google this story: UPDATE: Carolina Beach Police shoot out suspect's tire. This is from my state. Does the state of Utah not consider a vehicle a deadly weapon? You seem pretty adamant that the courts in Utah have clearly stated that officers are prohibited from shooting out a suspects tires in ALL cases. Please reference a court case that this precedent has been stipulated in the state of Utah.
golapd 11 months ago
@golapd I never said that all states are the same way I said MOST states so get your facts right. Shooting at a moving vehicle from a moving vehicle is not smart because there are too many factor involved. Im not a cop in Utah, Im a cop in Minnesota. The statutes are written with almost the same wording for authorized use of deadly force. Court precedents are set and that is how the law is then defined followed by those decisions.
yellowfungis 11 months ago
@golapd cops make split second choices that doesn't mean they always make the right ones (im not saying your example was wrong). you still didn't give a a court case. I can show you news stories and videos of cops doing things they are not supposed to but they still do. Long story short this is how im going to end this discussion. Laws are different in some places.
yellowfungis 11 months ago
@yellowfungis You can stop the discussion I don't care. The clear fact is you're wrong. State law doesn't state police can not shoot out the tires of a moving vehicle. The actual departmental policy determines whether or not an officer can discharge his firearm at a moving vehicle (tire) or not. No court in Minnesota or any state in the country would side with a defendant if an officer were to shoot the tires out of a vehicle that was about to run over a citizen or fellow officer. NONE!
golapd 11 months ago
@golapd I went to school and discussed this very same thing in a class I know what most states can and cant do for this because we talked about it because we had some eager kid who though he was gonna be a cop asked the same question and tried to debate it to the end that he was right. That same guy is currently working as mall security because he couldn't get a job.
yellowfungis 11 months ago
Shooting a car tire is using deadly force. An officer discharing his firearm is designated as using deadly force. This code makes no mention of it being against the law for an officer to discharge his weapon at a vehicle. Show me that law.
golapd 11 months ago
@golapd Call your local police department and tell them that they will get a chuckle out of it
yellowfungis 11 months ago
@golapd the courts will beg to differ
yellowfungis 11 months ago
(i) the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a felony offense involving the infliction or threatened infliction of death or serious bodily injury; or (ii) the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect poses a threat of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or to others if apprehension is delayed; or
In these situations officers are permitted to use deadly force. That includes shooting out tires moron!
golapd 11 months ago
@golapd You can believe that all you want but it has to be directed towards the suspect you are trying to capture. Courts have defined it that way and what the court says goes. You obviously are not a police officer because if you asked one they would know that. Believe me if it was allowed to shoot out tires in pursuits I would have done it along time ago.
yellowfungis 11 months ago
Where does it say in that section that an officer can not shoot out the tires of a vehicle evading police?
golapd 11 months ago
76-2-404. Peace officer's use of deadly force. (1) A peace officer, or any person acting by his command in his aid and assistance, is justified in using deadly force when: (a) the officer is acting in obedience to and in accordance with the judgment of a competent court in executing a penalty of death under Subsection 77-18-5.5(3) or (4);
golapd 11 months ago
Why stop after the light?? That makes all that freeway chasing for NOTHING!! If there are no kids on that bus,shoot the tires out that muthafukka!
19914568 11 months ago
@19914568 In most states it is against the law for police to shoot out the tires because it is dangerous and has a chance of ricochet. The officer would be fired if they did. That is the reason they created stop sticks (spike strips) however it isn't always easy and it is also very dangerous for an officer to deploy them especially when its a school bus.
yellowfungis 11 months ago
@yellowfungis Who gives a fuck. that bus is endangering innocent people! I'd shoot the sukka right in the tires for real!!
19914568 11 months ago
@19914568 Well the officers care because they want to keep there job and if the bus or cop would have hit someone while chasing through the busy city streets the department would get a lot of heat from the public who dont understand police work.
yellowfungis 11 months ago
@yellowfungis It wouldn't be against the law but potentially against department policy. Those are two different things.
golapd 11 months ago
@golapd Yes it would be against the Law. The State is the one who authorizes the police powers and in most states it would be against the state statute (Law) to use deadly force in that situation.
yellowfungis 11 months ago
@yellowfungis Stats laws do not spell out each scenario that an officer may use deadly force. If an offier feels his or a fellow officers life or a private citizens life is in danger they can use deadly force. The only burden of proof is for them to explain that imminent danger. If they do that successfully they are cleared. There are no state laws that say police officers can not shoot out tires. If you think there are, you're a moron!
golapd 11 months ago
@yellowfungis Stats laws do not spell out each scenario that an officer may use deadly force. If an offier feels his or a fellow officers life or a private citizens life is in danger they can use deadly force. The only burden of proof is for them to explain that imminent danger. If they do that successfully they are cleared. There are no state laws that say police officers can not shoot out tires. If you think there are, you're an idiot!
golapd 11 months ago
@golapd you sir are in fact wrong... Utah Code Title: 76 Chapter: 2 Section: 404 Peace officer's use of deadly force... you can go look it up if the situation does not fall under any of those categories they can NOT use deadly force and will be punished. "The burden of proof " that your talking about is using deadly force against the individual however it does not apply towards using deadly force on vehicle. Some states allow it but Utah is not one of them the courts will not accept it.
yellowfungis 11 months ago
@yellowfungis (b) effecting an arrest or preventing an escape from custody following an arrest, where the officer reasonably believes that deadly force is necessary to prevent the arrest from being defeated by escape; and
golapd 11 months ago
Weak.
Channel79productions 1 year ago
There's an easy solution to that problem... If there are no children aboard, then shoot the bus's tires out. Thats what I would have done. At the drop of a hat I might add.
ewtng 1 year ago
@ewtng In most states it is against the law for police to shoot out the tires because it is dangerous and has a chance of ricochet. The officer would be fired if they did. That is the reason they created stop sticks (spike strips) however it isn't always easy and it is also very dangerous for an officer to deploy them especially when its a school bus.
yellowfungis 11 months ago
why did he stop
Ksvoronos 1 year ago
@Ksvoronos Because a bus running red lights is not good, he terminated so the guy would slow down.
UnrealNate 1 year ago
fark sent me here
halolamer 1 year ago