Sham 69 White Riot

[hotcharger66]

The Clash? Sex Pistols? I thought this was a Sham 69 video

[batrolita]

about the discussion...

"Yesterday i thought i was a crud. Then I saw the sex pistols and I became a king, decided to move into the future"

joe strummer

1952-2002 Rip

[captaincomputa]

was'nt this a clash song?

[yuryiodizadebee]

Black man gotta lot a problems

But they don't mind throwing a brick

White people go to school

Where they teach you how to be thick

[redredreds100]

black man got one problem, the white man, you got a big problem, look in mirror

[yuryiodizadebee]

the lyrics refer to to joe strummer witnessing police using the sus law againts blacks at the 1976 notting hill carnival and being met with a hail of bricks and missiles as they tried to arrest blacks mob handed but then having to flee for their lives.strummer states in the next verse white people are too chicken to even try it by attacking ' the law' unlike the blacks who were prepared to take up arms againts their adverser.a picture of the actual riot appears on the back of the clash 1977 lp.

[KILLEDBYPAOK]

to compare Clash with the Pistols is like comparing Che Guevara with .... Gorbachev.

[Hollandia777]

bit strange comparison! In (not only) my opinion Clash doesn't ever reach the neighbourhood of Sex Pistols

[petarst]

LOL you are comapring pistols vs clash , i mean it is so uncomperable, Clash were and was the only band that matter.

[rudron]

Lydon = sell out

Strummer= took it to the grave with him

RIP

[Awollner]

This is the best song, but Clash did it better

[megvarndell]

Woopppss i totally mean Mark Cain. ;).

[megvarndell]

My uncle was the drummer of this band... Mark Ward.

[spilledinsanity]

i could only wish i lived in this era. i would like it better than the bratty hott topic kids we have now.

[sledz90]

Joe didn;t copy Sex Pistols - he was only inspired by them. "Being inspired" isn't the same that "copying somebody's music", don't you think so?

[littletoolate08]

abandoned boy

[tjommens]

Well can only say this. Its a great fucking song that i love......

[JANER64]

Terrible sound, you need a better mic!

[rabsmiff]

STRUMMER would have slagged off this bullshit-----it has sod all to do with punk's true spirit.

[coolboy77x]

strummer sang it rabsmiff,why the fuck would he slag it off???

and what do you mean punks true spirit???

..this song is a classic!

[rabsmiff]

this song was a classic in 77/'78 at the very latest. But PURSEY is re-treading ground that is 30 years old......even in '78, the CLASH had moved on a great deal from the primitive attack that was the first album.

[coolboy77x]

Yeah i see your point considering the clash's first album was the only one to be considered a true punk album

as what they released after was a mix of reggae,beat etc but this song is a still a classic because of its great energy it unleashes and the lyrics that were relevant to working class at the time.

[rabsmiff]

FAIR POINT......we both agree that early 76/77 punk is best, coolboy......

[jamierourketen]

it's the anniversary of punk,what do you want them to sing , bay city rollers?

[rabsmiff]

AS far as I know, MICK JONES doesn't re-tread old CLASH stuff now...JONES looks too old now, he moved onnto more studio-based work and lower-key gigs.....PURSEY here is simply regurgitating past glories in the same way that the remaining ROLLERS would also approach THEIR 'music'.

[chuzz123]

joe strummer wasnt even a real punk im not saying hes bad he just copied the pistols he even says it in his documentary

[rabsmiff]

It was really only the CLASH'S first album that I regard as their real punk stuff.....later bands like the EXPLOITED just kept repeating the [by 1980] cliches of early CLASH or DAMNED.

[chuzz123]

yeah

[AppoCC119]

Yeah sure, White Man in Hammersmith Palais, Safe European Home, Complete Control, London Calling, Jimmy Jazz, Sound of the Sinners, Magnificent Seven, Straight to Hell, This Is England.

All are obviously copied straight from the Pistols.

Joe was extremely influenced by the Pistols yes, they started him down the path of punkrock, but to claim that "he just copied them" is wrong.

For Zalmoxis' sake, the Clash are the ones that brought politics into punk to begin with.

[chuzz123]

listen youre picking me up wrong, i fucking love all the clash and im not saying he ROBBED MUSIC FROM THE PISTOLS he says in the future is unwritten that he went to see the pistols and said to himself "i have to be like them" bear in mind thats not a direct quote but still i love the clash and joe plus the clash werent the first band to bring politics into "punk"

[AppoCC119]

He wanted to be punk like the Pistols, true.

I'm not saying that the Clash made the very first political song of punk, but they are definitely the ones that made punk so strongly associated with left-wing politics.

Btw, I don't count songs like Anarchy in the UK or God Save the Queen as political songs, more like part of a rather immature "smash-stuff-up" attitude.

[w1o5w6]

Influenced by the pistols?In his music?I don't think so...The clash had the ability to change their music,they were not like the pistols(brittney spears of the 70s).Sex pistols only sold the trend of punk musically they cannot even be compared with clash,dead kennedys etc.

[AppoCC119]

No one is comparing The Clash to the Pistols, but Strummer (and everyone else too) were definitely influenced by the Pistols, he said so very clearly a great number of times. Yes the Clash evolved beyond their punk beginings, but that doesn't mean that (especially) their first record was extremely influenced by the Pistols.

Besides, I think Lydon proved in PiL once and for all that he is no Britney Spears, later sellouts or not.

[bladesmark2]

I guess some people are getting confused with Bernie rhodes (the manager)& rhodes who played with the clash after jones & headon left the group/band.

[L1ttleL0ndonStud10s]

This was a tribute to Clash LISTEN TO THE LYRICS... sham was never a right wing band infact they were the ones with the threats... long live sham69 if only people knew GO jP X

[malkiour]

jones didnt write it strummer and rhodes wrote it

[bladesmark2]

@ malkiour - strummer & jones infact wrote this tune,nothing to do with rhodes as rhodes wasn't a member of the clash until 1985 after jones & headon left the group.

[malkiour]

read pashion is fashion rhodeswas the manager from day 1 and helped strummer write the song but then again i might be wrong i aint a big clash fan

[chrishalton123]

jones and strummer did in fact write this,,true,, Rhodes was manager from 76 , then sacked, brought back after departure of Jones and headon.

[bladesmark2]

rhodes had nothing to do with the writing side of things

[tomosbananas]

i didnt know sham 69 did a cover of this song!

[dude15646]

the clash wrote it. pursey wasnt even part of the "white riot". it was only Joe Strummer and Paul Simonon. i just think that pursey liked the song alot. cause at one of the clash's concerts at victoria park, the clash is performing white riot and pursey comes out of nowhere and starts to sing along on stage.

[eivindstaal]

This is not a racist song,listen to the song,stupid

[EarthNuker]

oh shit, pursey's drunk again.

"black man's got a lot of problems

but he don't mind throwin a brick

while you walk the streets

to chicken to even try it

HEY GUYS, I FORGOT WHERE I WAS SO I'LL REPEAT THE SAME VERSE AGAIN!"

lol, i wish it was a closeup so i could see his face. it'd be as funny as that one video of "if the kids are united" where he's obviously wasted.

[kwfkarateka]

Well, Sham 69 in this video sound like Chaz'n'Dave after too many pale ales. Shut my mouth? What did I say. Keyboard warriors- what a hoot.

[benballen]

I didnt say thy recorded it first thy wrote it for the clash

[hulmsey]

strummer and jones wrote it, i didnt think they even liked pursey

[jslax27]

how so, thats sham 69 an old punk band still kickin and theyre playing a clash song, thats pretty punk

[benballen]

no their not they wrote this song

[DavidWatts3]

No, you're mistaken. This song was written by The Clash. It's from their fist album.

[kwfkarateka]

It seems that punk is dead afterall

[ninjadrummer14]

Shut your mouth.

[hulmsey]

ahah for sure you know it