Du hast echt recht! Wie bescheuert kann man sein???? Aber die leute wollen ja allle dieses rumgestrampel sehen, wie es dem Pferd dabei geht ist ihnen scheiß egal :( Mit denen die so reiten und bei so was klatschen müsste man echt das selbe machen, was die ihren pferden antun!
Put the video on fulll screen and get your magnafying glass , and look at what these riders are really doing? Pay close atttention to the hands and feet ! I watched an interview with Anky on Rolkur which she stated that she does not know how long she holds her horse in the rolkur position. She does not keep a watch on her when she trains. Poor Horse !!!
what i've noticed is people like her are in the olympics. what i have also noticed is people who can ACTUALLY RIDE (whether it be dressage, show jumping etc.) i hardly see them on the big tv shows. And frankly, i don't blame them, because i would never want to share a warm up ring with someone like Anky. Peopl keep saying "Oh the horse wouldn't do that if it didn't want to" Actually, the horse won't misbehave in case it's "master" abuses the curb, or gouges holes in it sides with spurs
@ egasserd8888 > Oh please!! Get over yourself!! I won't be srtprised if you are some average novice rider b*ching because you are jealous! That woman is the nr.1 rider in the world for a reson! Empty canns make the most noise, so please, keep your comments to yourself.
@fairyraindrop the horse wouldn't be doing that if it didn't want to. The horse could easily just rear, buck or do something crazy to get the rider of it's back. Many horses do have a problem with it but those aren't the ones that make it to the top like Anky's horses do. Horses do what they do because they love to do it.
Maybe Grunsven should have a bit put in her mouth and pressed hard down against her tongue then a curb chain placed under her jaw tight, then a person should be given the reins to hang onto hard, until her tongue turnes blue whilst she be made to jog along. Then she should be made to watch the following, Seach on utube for "Bridless dressage with anna zbitnoff"
You know whats worse? People complaining about her. If she really was so horrible, she would never NEVER make it to the Olympics.. I just can't stand it that you are so fcking jealous. please get a life.. or just try to ride like her. I bet you all cant do it.. and if you're are better, get YOUR horse and go to the Olympics :)
@loenawingg she did it to the olympics because the judge like rollkur and she's married with the trainer of the Netherlands. he's got friends in the judgement and dealings in the IOC. I'm not jealous, i think it's better to have a healthy horse and don't ride international than have a rollkur trained horse and ride at the olympics, WC etc
not just her does this with the horses.. and i don't know why she's riding at the olympics because it's NEVER ever right to do this. some peole are very stupid because they just look after if it looks good.
and no i'm not jealous, why should i? i'm happy with my pony, although she got her head wherever she wants. the head should be vertically and not below that "line". and the horse she is riding has her head just in front of it's chest.!
@loenawingg k. You're an idiot. Straight up. Germans must be onto something. Dur? She makes it to the olympics /because/ of her poor horsemanship. None of the top levels are regulated for the wellbeing of the animal. /You're/ the fool that has joined the ranks of people who're pushing aside scientific facts as to why her style of riding is physically unhealthy for horses. Smarten up. Going around calling people jealous has nothing to do with anything, lmao.
@loenawingg there are numerous groubs in this world that really do animalabuse in order to make a living and get away with it 100%,because either it´s a case of smth that ppl dont want to change or it´s about blindness, which you can see with sadly so many dogbreeders. TopDressage today seems to be mainly business and who gets the biggest score, no matter what way.
@loenawingg You can get to the olympics and be cruel to your horses, that doesn't say ANYTHING about how nice you are to them, just the results you get.
@loenawingg ok let's get some things clear shall we?
First of all I'm not jealous. I actually used to think Anky was amazing back in Athens, but I ended up seeing these videos of her riding horses in hyperflexion and as I learnt more about dressage the more I realised how bad this method of training is for horses.
@TheMelpher Second of all, I refuse to ride like her. I unlike you apparently, understand a few basic biomechanical principles behind the correct riding posture. So riding like Anky will just cause severe back damage.
Thirdly, classical dressage is based on a horse's NATURAL movement. Last time I check no horse will willingly tuck their head in for so long. For a prey animal this is just plain impractical.
@TheMelpher Competition dressage is supposed to be the same as classical dressage in theory but recent events have shown that it isn't. I just hope it doesn't take a major disaster for things to change.
@TheMelpher exactly. classical dressage is all about acceptance of the hand. rollkur is the horse over-flexing in order to evade the hand. ridiculous.
Can all you numbskulls quit bashing Anky? I am SURE you don't even have half the skills as she has. Once you have trained horses to the Olympic level and beaten her, then I'll listen. So shut up, get off your computers and start working on it. OK?
She's amazing, but of course all the idiots on youtube think they all know better. If you know it so much better than why are you sitting behind your computer bashing everything she does, and not at the Olympics beating her?
it's because she has got the money and I don't. Dressage and espacially
nearly all types of horse sports are very expensive and if you don't have the money you are not able to ride on shows like the olympic games. and the way she is riding is a fact that is not only criticzed by us, but also by other trainers who know more about horses and how to train them correct and they all say that her way is brutal...
@movinon5 because even though I am not riding at the Olympics I know very well what is healthy for a horse and her "training method" rollkur is extremly unhealthy. it is cruel and causes much pain for the horse, which can't see anything and can't breathe in the position of rollkur. you don't need to be an Olympic Rider to know that.
And if anyone believes Rollkur isn't bad for a horse, he should tie his chin to his breast and hold that position for 15 minutes. Rollkur is violence nothing else!
@horsegirl2812 that's what I was just about to mention. hyperflexion, or how Anky would say "workout for the horse" is ridiculous and results to nothing positiv for the horse.
@jory84 exactly =) i heard a wonderful comment on rollkur, because here in germany rollur is forbidden, but if you only do it for 15 minutes, it's okay. so the man said:"if you rape a woman, it's a crime. Riding in hyperflexion is a crime. But if you only do it for 15 minutes is sports. So would raping a woman for only 15 minutes also be sports??"
@horsegirl2812 So könnte man das natürlich auch definieren. Tragisch. Rollkur ist ja auch gleichgestellt der Misshandlung, also ist die Vergewaltigung wäre gar nicht mal so weit entfernt. Ich versteh halt echt nicht wie man so etwas als normal oder sogar im Training als notwenig sehen kann. Jeder Tierarzt kann bestätigen wie schlecht die Hyperflexion für die Gesundheit des Pferdes ist. Aber wenn man den Tierärzten nicht glauben will, dann ist einem die Gesundheit des eigenen Pferdes ja eh egal.
@horsegirl2812 There's no rollkur in this video, just germanic dressage. And if she uses rollkur she couldn't ride at the olympics (now excuse my english 'cause i'm not good ... --')
@adadadu59 let me give you a hint: think whether you have the knowledge to comment on sth before you do it. cause there is no "germanic dressage" existing at all.and what you can see in this video is rollkur,also knows as hyperflexion. and she is allowed to ride at the olympics cause there she doesn't ride in hyperflexion but she does at home when she trains her horse and poorly that is not forbidden!
so please get me right: I think she could be a good rider but not as long as she uses rollkur.
@adadadu59 she uses rollkur as a training method, obviously she doesn't ride in the olympics with it. it's a training method to get them to over-break at the poll, then when shows come the rider doesn't have to ask as harshly to keep their head and neck in the correct position. it completely goes against all theory behind classical dressage - the horse is FORCED into hyperflexion, rather than him accepting the bit and using his muscles properly.
ich finde es ok, wenn man sein pferd mal ein bisschen hinter der senkrechten reitet und nicht immer nur in dehnungshaltung, aber so wie der läuft kann der doch eigentlich nicht übern rücken schwingen, weil der vorne schon so zusammengestaucht ist, das der keine möglichkeiten mehr hat den rücken aufzuwölben und vernünftig unterzutreten....naja sie weiß halt alles besser...
She's a moron... I am sorry, but ugh... Horses do not do that natrually... EVER. And I again will say, there are far better riders than her, and I am sure it is politics that got her this far.
@HaflingerAddiction that is not bad rollkur, the horse is clearly responding in a correct way, relaxing, and then given a break. Conpressing the neck is a useful tool when used approperately and limitely.
@jennyg8525 you definetely know nothing about horses.
What Anky does to her horses is so bad and you can see the horses walking painful... it's not only on the outside of the horse, the damage is in his neck... :/
genau,mal ne weile riegeln dann isses pferd auch unten. wenn man nich reitn kann sollte mans lassn -.- Nur scheiße, das so viele nur ihre pferde "runterriegeln" anstatt sie richtig an zügel zu reitn.. is bei uns im stall genaus gleiche.
Natural beauty is revealed with time taken, feel and love. To honour the beautiful horse and horsemen who use kind hands please sign the petition on website: wu-wei-verlag and clicking on: Officials! Stop Hyperflexion! Riding these magnificent animals can be wonderful but there are sadly some that abuse the generosity of these animals with the use of a quick fix hidden from the untrained eye. Sign and study the tragic physiological effect of Roll-kur. BHS supports petition.
Natural beauty is revealed with time taken, feel and love. To honour the beautiful horse and horsemen who use kind hands please sign the petition on website: wu-wei-verlag and clicking on: Officials! Stop Hyperflexion! Riding these magnificent animals can be wonderful but there are sadly some that abuse the generosity of these animals with the use of a quick fix hidden from the untrained eye. Sign and study the tragic physiological effect of Roll-kur. BHS supports petition.
klar muss arbeit sein, man muss ja das tier auch fordern... aber so... nee. die dame hat sich schon zu tief in ihre rollkur-sache reingeritten (wortspiel, uuh)
ich meine ich habe nichts gegen Truniersport und arbeiten, denn diese Trunierpferde wollen das auch, die wollen gearbeitet werden ect. aber dann richtig ! und nicht so . .
Kein Pferd will so geritten werden . :/
und erfolge, wie die meinen, bringt das nicht . . schon gar nicht langfristig.
Bei Anky und denen kann man echt nur den Kopfschütteln.
I think it's a bit strange that almost 75% of all the comments are German...
No offence but specialy after Winsdor where the Dutch riders won, the Germans emidiatly said that the classic Dressage is history..
Hyperflexion is an other way to make your horse flexibel.... The last thing you'll need is a stiff horse in a Kür. THAT would REALLY damage the horse.
Also (said by anky) it is not a training method for every rider and every horse..
Yeah da hat jemand Ahnung. Ich will dich mal zwei Minuten in der Position sehen, und wenn du dann mit blutigem Maul noch reden kannst, sachse mal ob du dich jetzt gedehnt fühlst.
also hier reitet sie halt mal hinter der senkrechten aber schlimm ist das wirklich nicht ... sie sollte halt dazwischen dem pferd die möglcuihkeit geben vor die senkrechte zu gehen ..
es ist aber nicht nur anky die so reitet, wie viele reiter ziehen ihren pferden den kopf auch so an die brust? dressurreiter, springreiter, westernreiter! da schau ich mir auch lieber leute an, die mit ihren moppeligen pferden durch den wald reiten aber dafür eine einheit sind!
ich finde jeder der mit tieren umgeht sollte dies ordentlich tun. ich lasse meine reitschüler nicht ohne dreieckszügel reiten, wenn sie ihr pferd nicht durchs genick reiten können, denn pferde bekommen nicht nur durch rollkur rückenprobleme, sondern viel öfter durch schlechtes reiten. ganz allgemein gesagt gäbe es weniger elend in den reitställen, wenn die leute mehr darauf bedacht wären selber gut zu reiten anstatt mit dem finger auf andere zu zeigen.
anky lobt das pferd zwischendurch, das finde ich sehr gut. die piaffen sind mit schön gesetzter hinterhand geritten und nur weil das pferd ab und zu kurz tief und dabei hinter die senkrechte kommt kann man hier nun wirklich nicht von rollkur sprechen. alles von anky schlecht zu reden, nur weil im moment allgemein die stimmung gegen sie ist, ist zwar menschlich zeugt aber nicht davon, dass jemand pferdeverstand besitzt, sondern eher davon, dass er ein mitläufer ist.
das habe ich auch bemerkt bei diesem video. bei einem anderen pferd, welches sie geritten ist sah es definitiv schlimmer aus, hier finde ich sieht es gar nicht so nach rollkur aus bzw ist es kaum eine für mich. aber es gibt dennoch extremen dabei was ich persönlich auch gar nicht mehr als "am zügel gehen" bezeichnen kann.
Und dieses "Loben" wie du es nennst ist nicht anderes als bloßes Rumgepatsche auf dem Pferdehals. Was soll daran für das Pferd Belohnung sein?
Außerdem scheint Anky ja gerne bei Vorführungen alles toll und pferdefreundlich zu machen. Ich möchte sie aber ehrlich gasgt nicht auf dem Abreiteplatz sehen.
ich bin wirklich kein ankyfan, aber ich bin dagegen pauschal alles von ihr schlecht zu reden. ganz allgemein finde ich es traurig, dass sich vor allem die leute über rollkurreiter aufregen, die ihr pferd gar nicht an den zügel geritten bekommen. deren pferde haben den kopf irgendwo in der luft und den rücken durchgedrückt und dann erzählen diese leute was von heuschmann. damit hat ihr reiten aber gar nichts zu tun. komisch, dass sich darüber keiner aufregt.
das was Anky macht hat aber nichts mit an den Zügel zu reiten zu tun; und das argument andere können die Pferde nicht mal an den zügel reiten - andere Leute - sind auch nicht die Weltelite der Reiterschaft und von der will ich nunmal ordentliches Reiten und Pferde mit POSITIVER Spannung sehen...
Außerdem heißt an den Zügel reiten nicht runterriegeln und zusammenziehen. Da schau ich lieber einem Anfänger zu, bei dem das pferd halt nicht durchs genick geht, aber dafür nach der Reiteinheit psychisch noch in Ordnung ist.
recht habt ihr.... öffentlich und das als vorbild für junge reiter... naja leider machen es die deutschen nicht besser "werth und hannes"... schlimm genug das sie es überhaupt machen....
ja ichgeb euch beiden recht, das mit der rollkur is echt scheiße...dass sie das so öffentlich macht und sich überhaupt nich schämt, das müsste man wirklich mal mit ihr machen...
Die Hinterhand tritt bei dem armen Pferd nicht mehr richtig mit. Wie bei so vielen Reiter ist es : Vorne hui, hinten pfui. Und es hat mal wieder den typischen 'anky rollkur halz '
Und die Leute applaudieren .. schlimmer gehts nicht !
naja ob sie dabei spaß hat weiß ich nicht. aber sinn der sache ist doch, dass wenn du das pferd vor der prüfung so unter spannung setzt, es vollkommenes showgehabe ist, was es dann letztendlich in der prüfung zeigt. naja und das hat den bekannten "wow-effekt". ich denke, solche reiter haben ihr schlechtes gewissen irgendwo auf dem weg ihrer reitkarriere verloren. ihrer ansicht nach sind sie damit wahrscheinlich noch ballast los geworden.
Das sieht man doch! Guck dir mal Stimmen der Pferde an! Ist zwar nicht sonderlich spannend gemacht, aber dafür sehr lehrreich.
Ich frage mich, warum bekommt die immer noch Applaus? Weil es unwissende Menschen gibt, die sich nicht dafür interessieren wie es dem Pferd dabei ergeht!
ich bin wie gesagt auch kein fan von anky, muss aber sagen, dass ihr pferd in prüfungen sehr gut auf die hinterhand kommt, sehr sehr gut. ich bezweifel dass die rollkur sich positiv darauf auswirkt nur finde ich es schade wenn das was hinter anky und der rollkur steht einfach so missachtet wird. Mein Pferd würde ich nie so reiten aber anky macht ob mit oder ohne rollkur einen guten job.
i love riding and watching dressage.i'm an isabell werth-fan, but i think that anky is also a great rider, that's why she has got a lot of success all these years. She has a lot of experience and this makes it so upsetting that she even does rollkur. she exactually knows how to disable her horses not to stem rollkur. my dressage horse is a well-educated, heathly-minded horse, that would put anky in 10 seconds down in the mud when she would be doing this... :) luckily
What I dont understand about all this stuff is why people arent attacking jumpers for doing Rollkur I know 50x's more jumper trainers that use this method, even national level professionals, than dressage trainers....and the reason we attack Anky is why....I honestly think its because she has won so much and gained such a fame level that people arent happy unless they tear her apart about something. Go back to the source people and not a rider who picked up on the method. :)
The horse was sliiiiightly tense...but not in its work, more so that it was at a clinic.
It WAS on its hindquaters, so dont know what youre going on about there....
and, um, rollkur. How many scientific papers have you read? Well, ive read, and indeed written, quite a few. OKAY we know if its done wrong it can be bad, we get it! But this was fine. rollkur done well does not harm the horse whatsoever. FACT.
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why is everyone so jalous.. she is the best of the world 4 x! whats youre comment.. the horse is great, with Anky! she tell how you train of a piaffe to passage and talk not of a rollkur, if you no what it is
MONEY money and more money ... I have to say she is brilliant as making MO MONEY ...... as a rider she is HORRID, AND WORSE THAN THAT , she teaches the whole world how to abuse horses, destry their spines ..... competition dressage has nothing to do with Dressage , let 's not mix the two . Competition dressage is GREED AND THAT IS ALL ANKY IS , a greedy woman . Boy Oh BOY does she has millions fooled , what a brilliant business woman , but as a rider , she abuses her horses for her glory
ich nehm jetz mal stark an,dass es sich bei dem Publikum um Zuschauer gehandelt hat, die keine Ahnung haben.. denn ansonsten verstehe ich ihre Begeisterung nicht..
Aber wir sollten stolz auf sie sein.. das Pferd hatte den Kopf nur noch hinter der senkrechten und kaum an der Brust! haste dolle gemacht anky *klatsch*
Und die herrliche Piaffe!das ganze Gewicht auf die Vorderhand und die Hinterhand hüpft irgendwo herum!
(Zum drehen dieses Clips hat Anky nur ein oder zwei Pferde "kaput" gemacht)
armselig.sie zeigt wunderbar die schwächen der menschen, nämlich schwächere zu demütigen und für siege und erfolg alles zu tun.auch ein pferd systematisch quälen und auch noch meinen naja behaupten es gefällt dem pferd.ich habe mal einen alten artikel von ihr gelesen wo sie mit rollkur angefangen hatte..."es tut dem pferd gut" war eine eindeutige aussage die im ganzen text vorkam.klar das pferd mag gedemütigt werden.sind ja im maul garnicht so empfindlich*huuust*
This horse is not Through nor is it tracking up when worked in working trot. The neck is tight as is the jaw. I don't believe in "fashion dressage" it shouldn't be rewarded, regarded or applauded. It's the ugly form of competition. Classical principles will one day become more popular when people realise it's "fashion" making their horses lame, sore and weak in the back. Watch horses like this, they move with a flashy front end and nothing going on behind. Come on this is NOT DRESSAGE!
yes yes yes!!! dressage is no more the art, it is just a sport.. horse is no more a parner, but only a tool... Anky should be in jail, not at Olympics...
Ich verstehe nicht wie man das toll finden kann, das arme Pferd wir eingerollt und sie bohrt nur mit den Sporen, aber es sieht ja so toll aus..............
I must admit I am unsure of her training techniques. But I think it is still unfair for onlookers to acuse Anky of inflicting abuse upon her horses, you are not the rider or the horse, so how can one be so sure that she is "abusing" them? the judges dont seem to mind the way she rides, or the FEI, so what are we arguing and acusing her of?Is it just Anky's courage to challenge classical views that were so caught up in? Although there are the medical "facts" to consider. I dont know what to think
"Do you believe in everything the government tells you?"... Just because the judges and the FEI don't argue with Anky's techniques/abuses it doesn't mean what she does is CORRECT or according to the classical principles. The dressage she shows is "show dressage/modern dressage" which is dressage astray. I say it's time all horse people educate themselves in regards to which frames are beneficial and good to the horses versus the frames that are in conflict with the horse's well being.
das kommentar von labu94 is einfach nua lächerlich eifersüchtig auf sone hässliche reiterei einfach nur lächerlich lern erst ma reiten bevorst a kommentar abgibst ey!! dann weißt du was wir alle meine was die frau macht grenzt scha an tierquälerei!!
Eh du von mir aus kann da ein Marsmensch gewinnen aber bei Tierquälerrei hört es einfach auf.Wenn Isabell Wehrt das machen würde würde ich die auch hassen aber die alte schweine grunz denkt doch nur an ihren Gewinn die Tiere sind ihr scheißegal warscheinlich auch die Menschen ,die hat kein Hertz und keine Gefühle die ist gefärlich und gehört in die psichatrie!!!:(Tut mir leid aber es ist so man sollte sich von der in acht nehmen die ist zu allem Fähig!!!
ich kann nicht besser reiten, aber kritik an tierquälerei üben ist für mich ein unterschied als aus neid lästern. das ist nicht klassisch, das ist nicht pferdegerecht, das ist der schummelweg für "ich entlocke mienem pferd spannige schwebetritte und verkaufe sie als harmonische piaffe" bitte? anky a la teppichklopfdötzrunterallesgut-mehode. feines reiten schaut anders aus.
if she is soo good then why can't she train her horses just like all the other good riders out there?
does she really have to make her horse kiss his own chest to train it when other trainers can get the same results if not better using kinder methods?
I do not like this method. When has winning been more important than the welfare of the horse? Rollkur is 'learned helplessness' 'training' of the horse. I am very happy that my horse is on the forehand and my reins are like washing lines - because we are both happy and comfortable.
Rollkur is a suppling exercise. I've ridden horses trained this way in Holland and they were not at all unhappy or incorrect. They go properly if trained with seat and legs. I do not use this method, but I will not call lpeople who do names or accuse them of not caring about their horses.
I never said that the Rollkur makes the horse tense and psycho. what i meant was that alot of her horses are very hot, and a tense body normally comes with a very hot and nervous horse. But all of her horses, regardless of the stiffness, execute their movements 100% correctly and they float off of the ground with ease. Because of this I find it hard to believe rollkur, under ankys hands, affects the horse at all. It may and will with people who dont know what they are doing, but not with her.
Again hyperflexion is fine in the correct hands and its fine if an amature rider does it under the trained eye of a professional. This girl on the video is riding great and probably will ride better then most people bitching on this post ever will. Everyone needs to get off thier high-horse about hyperflexon and except the fact that it is what anky does and it obviously works considering she keeps winning EVERYTHING!
even in the hands of an experienced rider, rollkur is wrong :( and to add it works considering she keeps winning, just souns so cold. If you´re a great rider, you should be able to perform greatly with a horse without using rollkur during training it..! Plus to say people commenting about it are just jealous really ain´t the case :D seriously, it always makes me laugh when people say "oh you´re just jealous!" lol
Obviously you are as ignorant as all of the other people on this comment page saying this is wrong. I would like to see you try and ride the horses anky rides. She rides some of the hottest horses in the world and therefore she can use rollkur with them, because as long as you have ALOT of impulsion in the hind end to back it up with, it will not harm the horse. And people say her horses are tense, well of course, most of them are psycho and hot thats why they hotrod off the ground and win.
so you haven´t thought about the possibility that the use of rollkur might be a reason for some of her horses being tense and "psycho"? I remember one person telling me she works at a horseclinic and tha many of ankys horses arriving there were really messed up :( So shortly said: as long as you keep winning every stupid race, the horse doesn´t matter?? Imagine yourself as horse forced to rollkur and even you start hurting you´re not allowed to rice your head one bit.
i totally agree Jefrma. Gd rider care about their horses, using rollkur is a really bad method, and some people say it's against the FEI rule!!!She keeps winning everything is because she has a great horse and she has great music, but that doesn't mean she has great personality.If you just consider if you win or not you shouldn't be riding.Riding means you'll need to work with your partner,if you're not caring your partner why are you even riding?huh? I THINK YOU'LL BE THE ONE WHO CAN'T RIDE GD!
Salinero and Bonfire are especially hot horses,she doesn't buy great horses she trains them and when she finally takes them to the olympics they are about 15. She spends months on freestyle pieces too, she doesn't get great music she makes it. Anky also cares for her horses if her horses were not willing to do the work then they wouldn't perform the way they do. You can't fake olympic dressage, she gets marked on relaxation and willingness of the horse and so her horses are obviously happy.
i totally agree Jefrma. Gd rider care about their horses, using rollkur is a really bad method, and some people say it's against the FEI rule!!!She keeps winning everything is because she has a great horse and she has great music, but that doesn't mean she has great personality.If you just consider if you win or not you shouldn't be riding.Riding means you'll need to work with your partner,if you're not caring your partner why are you even riding?huh? I THINK YOU'LL BE THE ONE WHO CAN'T RIDE GD!
uughh! What a horrible voice!!! :-P It sounds like she's gagging on somehting while she's trying to talk. and to think she was singing in part of the song she used for her freestyle rides on salinero. yuck.
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Rollkur makes me laugh. They are called "flexions of the jaw and neck" and Baucher started it way back in the 1700's. This is nothing new. It brings out the best in the horse. Open your minds. LEarn from the best, because the best trainer use this method. I ride at Grand Prix, and I ride ALL my horses this way. I was taught by a world champion who to ride deep, and all about Baucher.
Anky IS a dutch name and a legndary rider in the world of dressage and No Im not jealous, but do you really think that things like rolkur are a "nice" thing to do to a horse??
der müsste man das reiten verbieten
Vicky32782011 3 months ago
Und dann erklärt sie den Leuten auchnoch wie man es richtig macht...und die Spasten klatschen auchnoch
annaunddaslicht 9 months ago
@annaunddaslicht
Du hast echt recht! Wie bescheuert kann man sein???? Aber die leute wollen ja allle dieses rumgestrampel sehen, wie es dem Pferd dabei geht ist ihnen scheiß egal :( Mit denen die so reiten und bei so was klatschen müsste man echt das selbe machen, was die ihren pferden antun!
Flicka090 9 months ago
@Flicka090 Das stimmt =(
annaunddaslicht 9 months ago
vor allem tritt die hinterhand gar nicht richtig ran, das pferd geht nicht übern rücken und wie alle so schön sagen ist das pferd zu eng!!
linchen931 10 months ago
wer ihre methoden liebt und beachtet, dem gehört das kinn an die brust geschnallt und dann gehts für ein paar runden im laufschritt ins viereck!!
BabySliders 11 months ago
Das arme Pferd läuft teilweise aber ganz schön hinter der Senkrechten. Wirklich schön finde ich dieses Video nicht!!!
Flicka090 11 months ago
Put the video on fulll screen and get your magnafying glass , and look at what these riders are really doing? Pay close atttention to the hands and feet ! I watched an interview with Anky on Rolkur which she stated that she does not know how long she holds her horse in the rolkur position. She does not keep a watch on her when she trains. Poor Horse !!!
gwendiferous 11 months ago
Love the way this prof rider is riding and teaching.
caballoscasares1 1 year ago
what anky is saying in this clinic is exactly right!
jeaninedressage 1 year ago
Why do they clap their hands ^^
ImmortalHappyness 1 year ago
@DaddysPrincess1006
"That woman is the nr.1 rider in the world for a reason!"
Yeah, she abuses her horse into doing what she commands them to, and hardly anyone knows the awful truth behind the shiny "perfect" dressage-fasade.
Pinkparakeets 1 year ago 6
@Pinkparakeets Exactly.
whiskerstea 1 year ago
what i've noticed is people like her are in the olympics. what i have also noticed is people who can ACTUALLY RIDE (whether it be dressage, show jumping etc.) i hardly see them on the big tv shows. And frankly, i don't blame them, because i would never want to share a warm up ring with someone like Anky. Peopl keep saying "Oh the horse wouldn't do that if it didn't want to" Actually, the horse won't misbehave in case it's "master" abuses the curb, or gouges holes in it sides with spurs
tsukasaWAH 1 year ago
or perhaps she does other things, but i am certain that she doesn't use kindness and love to achieve her level of...um..."expertise"
you want a real dressage rider, look up Philippe Karl. i doubt he ever had to resort to something so disgusting as rollkur.
tsukasaWAH 1 year ago
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tsukasaWAH 1 year ago
no.... actually.... that comment was directed at everyone who criticises Anky.
DaddysPrincess1006 1 year ago
@ egasserd8888 > Oh please!! Get over yourself!! I won't be srtprised if you are some average novice rider b*ching because you are jealous! That woman is the nr.1 rider in the world for a reson! Empty canns make the most noise, so please, keep your comments to yourself.
DaddysPrincess1006 1 year ago
@fairyraindrop the horse wouldn't be doing that if it didn't want to. The horse could easily just rear, buck or do something crazy to get the rider of it's back. Many horses do have a problem with it but those aren't the ones that make it to the top like Anky's horses do. Horses do what they do because they love to do it.
hunterjumpergal1231 1 year ago
Maybe Grunsven should have a bit put in her mouth and pressed hard down against her tongue then a curb chain placed under her jaw tight, then a person should be given the reins to hang onto hard, until her tongue turnes blue whilst she be made to jog along. Then she should be made to watch the following, Seach on utube for "Bridless dressage with anna zbitnoff"
fairyraindrop 1 year ago 4
She is so ill in her head!!! I hate that Bitch!!! The poor Horse!!
leleleah1 1 year ago
You know whats worse? People complaining about her. If she really was so horrible, she would never NEVER make it to the Olympics.. I just can't stand it that you are so fcking jealous. please get a life.. or just try to ride like her. I bet you all cant do it.. and if you're are better, get YOUR horse and go to the Olympics :)
loenawingg 1 year ago 4
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@loenawingg if you think, she doesn't do any rollkur/hyperflexion, and if you think rollkur is good for hoses, your as fucking stupid as anky
avrillavigne1981 1 year ago
@avrillavigne1981 please read my text. you dont understand me.. if she's so horrible with horses.. how could she make it to the olympics..
Read al the fucking comments on the other pages.. dont you notice that like 70% is positive.. and 30 % (most germans) are negative..
I think its just strange.. and is jealousy :)
loenawingg 1 year ago 5
@loenawingg she did it to the olympics because the judge like rollkur and she's married with the trainer of the Netherlands. he's got friends in the judgement and dealings in the IOC. I'm not jealous, i think it's better to have a healthy horse and don't ride international than have a rollkur trained horse and ride at the olympics, WC etc
avrillavigne1981 1 year ago
@loenawingg
not just her does this with the horses.. and i don't know why she's riding at the olympics because it's NEVER ever right to do this. some peole are very stupid because they just look after if it looks good.
and no i'm not jealous, why should i? i'm happy with my pony, although she got her head wherever she wants. the head should be vertically and not below that "line". and the horse she is riding has her head just in front of it's chest.!
Cookiesky13 1 year ago
@loenawingg k. You're an idiot. Straight up. Germans must be onto something. Dur? She makes it to the olympics /because/ of her poor horsemanship. None of the top levels are regulated for the wellbeing of the animal. /You're/ the fool that has joined the ranks of people who're pushing aside scientific facts as to why her style of riding is physically unhealthy for horses. Smarten up. Going around calling people jealous has nothing to do with anything, lmao.
whiskerstea 1 year ago 2
@loenawingg there are numerous groubs in this world that really do animalabuse in order to make a living and get away with it 100%,because either it´s a case of smth that ppl dont want to change or it´s about blindness, which you can see with sadly so many dogbreeders. TopDressage today seems to be mainly business and who gets the biggest score, no matter what way.
Jefrma 1 year ago
@loenawingg You can get to the olympics and be cruel to your horses, that doesn't say ANYTHING about how nice you are to them, just the results you get.
Synna89 9 months ago
@loenawingg plz don't use rollkur on your horse! :(
sofiazz09 1 year ago
@sofiazz09 did you ever heard me saying that im using rollkur on the horse?
loenawingg 1 year ago
@sofiazz09 no.. i just don't want you to. xD
sofiazz09 1 year ago
@loenawingg ok let's get some things clear shall we?
First of all I'm not jealous. I actually used to think Anky was amazing back in Athens, but I ended up seeing these videos of her riding horses in hyperflexion and as I learnt more about dressage the more I realised how bad this method of training is for horses.
TheMelpher 1 year ago
@TheMelpher Second of all, I refuse to ride like her. I unlike you apparently, understand a few basic biomechanical principles behind the correct riding posture. So riding like Anky will just cause severe back damage.
Thirdly, classical dressage is based on a horse's NATURAL movement. Last time I check no horse will willingly tuck their head in for so long. For a prey animal this is just plain impractical.
TheMelpher 1 year ago
@TheMelpher Competition dressage is supposed to be the same as classical dressage in theory but recent events have shown that it isn't. I just hope it doesn't take a major disaster for things to change.
TheMelpher 1 year ago
@TheMelpher exactly. classical dressage is all about acceptance of the hand. rollkur is the horse over-flexing in order to evade the hand. ridiculous.
showjumpinluv 3 months ago
@loenawingg very true....
jeaninedressage 1 year ago
@loenawingg read above comment ^
dappledbaybeauty 4 months ago
I wish I could understand what she was saying.
gryphonkeen 1 year ago
Can all you numbskulls quit bashing Anky? I am SURE you don't even have half the skills as she has. Once you have trained horses to the Olympic level and beaten her, then I'll listen. So shut up, get off your computers and start working on it. OK?
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mighty120571 1 year ago
@gamera131313 let's just make a deal: we quit bashing anky when anky quits bashing horses. okay for you?
mighty120571 1 year ago 5
She's amazing, but of course all the idiots on youtube think they all know better. If you know it so much better than why are you sitting behind your computer bashing everything she does, and not at the Olympics beating her?
movinon5 1 year ago 4
@movinon5
it's because she has got the money and I don't. Dressage and espacially
nearly all types of horse sports are very expensive and if you don't have the money you are not able to ride on shows like the olympic games. and the way she is riding is a fact that is not only criticzed by us, but also by other trainers who know more about horses and how to train them correct and they all say that her way is brutal...
aleanha 1 year ago
@movinon5 I just posted a comment just like yours before I read it. So basically, I fully agree with you!
gamera131313 1 year ago
@movinon5 totally agree with you :D
loenawingg 1 year ago
@movinon5 because even though I am not riding at the Olympics I know very well what is healthy for a horse and her "training method" rollkur is extremly unhealthy. it is cruel and causes much pain for the horse, which can't see anything and can't breathe in the position of rollkur. you don't need to be an Olympic Rider to know that.
And if anyone believes Rollkur isn't bad for a horse, he should tie his chin to his breast and hold that position for 15 minutes. Rollkur is violence nothing else!
horsegirl2812 1 year ago 14
@horsegirl2812 that's what I was just about to mention. hyperflexion, or how Anky would say "workout for the horse" is ridiculous and results to nothing positiv for the horse.
jory84 9 months ago 3
@jory84 exactly =) i heard a wonderful comment on rollkur, because here in germany rollur is forbidden, but if you only do it for 15 minutes, it's okay. so the man said:"if you rape a woman, it's a crime. Riding in hyperflexion is a crime. But if you only do it for 15 minutes is sports. So would raping a woman for only 15 minutes also be sports??"
I thought this was quite amazing ;)
horsegirl2812 9 months ago 2
@horsegirl2812 So könnte man das natürlich auch definieren. Tragisch. Rollkur ist ja auch gleichgestellt der Misshandlung, also ist die Vergewaltigung wäre gar nicht mal so weit entfernt. Ich versteh halt echt nicht wie man so etwas als normal oder sogar im Training als notwenig sehen kann. Jeder Tierarzt kann bestätigen wie schlecht die Hyperflexion für die Gesundheit des Pferdes ist. Aber wenn man den Tierärzten nicht glauben will, dann ist einem die Gesundheit des eigenen Pferdes ja eh egal.
jory84 9 months ago
@horsegirl2812 There's no rollkur in this video, just germanic dressage. And if she uses rollkur she couldn't ride at the olympics (now excuse my english 'cause i'm not good ... --')
adadadu59 8 months ago
@adadadu59 let me give you a hint: think whether you have the knowledge to comment on sth before you do it. cause there is no "germanic dressage" existing at all.and what you can see in this video is rollkur,also knows as hyperflexion. and she is allowed to ride at the olympics cause there she doesn't ride in hyperflexion but she does at home when she trains her horse and poorly that is not forbidden!
so please get me right: I think she could be a good rider but not as long as she uses rollkur.
horsegirl2812 8 months ago
@adadadu59 she uses rollkur as a training method, obviously she doesn't ride in the olympics with it. it's a training method to get them to over-break at the poll, then when shows come the rider doesn't have to ask as harshly to keep their head and neck in the correct position. it completely goes against all theory behind classical dressage - the horse is FORCED into hyperflexion, rather than him accepting the bit and using his muscles properly.
showjumpinluv 3 months ago
ich finde es ok, wenn man sein pferd mal ein bisschen hinter der senkrechten reitet und nicht immer nur in dehnungshaltung, aber so wie der läuft kann der doch eigentlich nicht übern rücken schwingen, weil der vorne schon so zusammengestaucht ist, das der keine möglichkeiten mehr hat den rücken aufzuwölben und vernünftig unterzutreten....naja sie weiß halt alles besser...
aleanha 1 year ago
@aleanha
on schwingen kann nicht die rede sein. ihre pferde gehen total verspannt und schrecklich. ich habe einen hass auf diese frau.
ihre pferde sind alle kaputt. sie haben starke schmerzahfte schäden weil sie die ganze zeit so gehen (mussten). das ist absolut schrecklich
NieOhneDich 1 year ago
fucking bitch...poor horses..
evita565 1 year ago
waah ich hasse die schlampe...
Scrabbleish 1 year ago
He isn't even tracking up..
glenroyvillas 1 year ago
She's a moron... I am sorry, but ugh... Horses do not do that natrually... EVER. And I again will say, there are far better riders than her, and I am sure it is politics that got her this far.
HaflingerAddiction 1 year ago
@HaflingerAddiction that is not bad rollkur, the horse is clearly responding in a correct way, relaxing, and then given a break. Conpressing the neck is a useful tool when used approperately and limitely.
jennyg8525 1 year ago 4
@jennyg8525 you definetely know nothing about horses.
What Anky does to her horses is so bad and you can see the horses walking painful... it's not only on the outside of the horse, the damage is in his neck... :/
RenegadeGirl434 1 year ago
genau,mal ne weile riegeln dann isses pferd auch unten. wenn man nich reitn kann sollte mans lassn -.- Nur scheiße, das so viele nur ihre pferde "runterriegeln" anstatt sie richtig an zügel zu reitn.. is bei uns im stall genaus gleiche.
XxGoAway 1 year ago
@XxGoAway das kenn ich... und dann gucken se einen immer blöd an, weil man 10 Minuten länger braucht um das Pferd annen Zügel zu bekommen... -.-
Dafür läuft meine dann schön und reißt nicht den Kopf hoch, sobald die Zügel weggehen... die Pferde von Anky tun mir übelst leid... -.-
RenegadeGirl434 1 year ago
@RenegadeGirl434 ja eben. Ich hab mein Pferd lieber richtig am Zügel und brauch dafür halt mal bisschen länger als so.
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Horsehealth 1 year ago
i hate her
Claudka13 2 years ago 5
oh mann... ich bin und bleib ein buschreiter mit moppelpony und stallhalfter statt trense...
alphawoelfin1987 2 years ago 5
@alphawoelfin1987
ich auuch :D
aber mit Trense und einwenig arbeit muss auch mal sein ^.^
aber Anky bleibt nach wie vor scheusslich ! :/
FranqiiFantastic 2 years ago
du hast völlig recht^^
klar muss arbeit sein, man muss ja das tier auch fordern... aber so... nee. die dame hat sich schon zu tief in ihre rollkur-sache reingeritten (wortspiel, uuh)
alphawoelfin1987 2 years ago 2
eben
ich meine ich habe nichts gegen Truniersport und arbeiten, denn diese Trunierpferde wollen das auch, die wollen gearbeitet werden ect. aber dann richtig ! und nicht so . .
Kein Pferd will so geritten werden . :/
und erfolge, wie die meinen, bringt das nicht . . schon gar nicht langfristig.
Bei Anky und denen kann man echt nur den Kopfschütteln.
FranqiiFantastic 2 years ago
I think it's a bit strange that almost 75% of all the comments are German...
No offence but specialy after Winsdor where the Dutch riders won, the Germans emidiatly said that the classic Dressage is history..
Hyperflexion is an other way to make your horse flexibel.... The last thing you'll need is a stiff horse in a Kür. THAT would REALLY damage the horse.
Also (said by anky) it is not a training method for every rider and every horse..
and she doesn't use the method constantly...
nederjoos 2 years ago
Yeah da hat jemand Ahnung. Ich will dich mal zwei Minuten in der Position sehen, und wenn du dann mit blutigem Maul noch reden kannst, sachse mal ob du dich jetzt gedehnt fühlst.
MrsCaramel1501 2 years ago 4
also hier reitet sie halt mal hinter der senkrechten aber schlimm ist das wirklich nicht ... sie sollte halt dazwischen dem pferd die möglcuihkeit geben vor die senkrechte zu gehen ..
jumprider 2 years ago
es ist aber nicht nur anky die so reitet, wie viele reiter ziehen ihren pferden den kopf auch so an die brust? dressurreiter, springreiter, westernreiter! da schau ich mir auch lieber leute an, die mit ihren moppeligen pferden durch den wald reiten aber dafür eine einheit sind!
donnalitchen 2 years ago 3
aber auch Freizeitreiter, die einfach nur riegeln, weil sie von all dem keine ahnung haben, bestes Beispiel bei uns im Stall.
Nur weil Freizeitreiter keine Turniere gehen, heíßt das ja nicht, dass die ordentlich reiten =/
FranqiiFantastic 2 years ago 3
Det som er vakkert er naturlege, frie bevegelsar kor bakparten er den bærende kraften, og ein form som er naturleg for kvar individuelle hest.
MsHillbillygirl 2 years ago
Ein ser ikkje så mykje ut av rollkuren i denne videoen, men eg håpar folk ser at hesten gjennom nesten heile snutten går bak loddplan.
I høg samling skal det høgaste punket vere første halsvirvel, ikkje andre, tredje eller fjerde for den saks skuld.
Hesten verkar anspent og flat i bakparten i piaffen, noko som er ein direkte verknad av rollkur.
Det finst ikkje noko vakkert ved "flikking" og "flashing" med frambeina.
MsHillbillygirl 2 years ago
I hasse diese Frau, ich hasse sie so sehr !
Wie kann man so mit seinen Pferden umgehen ?!
Es ist ne Frechheit das sie überhaupt reiten darf :(
Keiner der Richter sagt was, die sind alle genau so wie sie.
Ihre Pferde sind toll und sie tun mir unendlich leid :(:(
kissx93 2 years ago 3
ich finde jeder der mit tieren umgeht sollte dies ordentlich tun. ich lasse meine reitschüler nicht ohne dreieckszügel reiten, wenn sie ihr pferd nicht durchs genick reiten können, denn pferde bekommen nicht nur durch rollkur rückenprobleme, sondern viel öfter durch schlechtes reiten. ganz allgemein gesagt gäbe es weniger elend in den reitställen, wenn die leute mehr darauf bedacht wären selber gut zu reiten anstatt mit dem finger auf andere zu zeigen.
1010nicole1010 2 years ago 4
also bitte guckt euch doch ma die anderen videos von der an .Das ist nicht nur ausversehen ein mal kurtz hinter der senkrechten
Julia04151 2 years ago 2
anky lobt das pferd zwischendurch, das finde ich sehr gut. die piaffen sind mit schön gesetzter hinterhand geritten und nur weil das pferd ab und zu kurz tief und dabei hinter die senkrechte kommt kann man hier nun wirklich nicht von rollkur sprechen. alles von anky schlecht zu reden, nur weil im moment allgemein die stimmung gegen sie ist, ist zwar menschlich zeugt aber nicht davon, dass jemand pferdeverstand besitzt, sondern eher davon, dass er ein mitläufer ist.
1010nicole1010 2 years ago
das habe ich auch bemerkt bei diesem video. bei einem anderen pferd, welches sie geritten ist sah es definitiv schlimmer aus, hier finde ich sieht es gar nicht so nach rollkur aus bzw ist es kaum eine für mich. aber es gibt dennoch extremen dabei was ich persönlich auch gar nicht mehr als "am zügel gehen" bezeichnen kann.
FlightlessBird95 2 years ago 2
Und dieses "Loben" wie du es nennst ist nicht anderes als bloßes Rumgepatsche auf dem Pferdehals. Was soll daran für das Pferd Belohnung sein?
Außerdem scheint Anky ja gerne bei Vorführungen alles toll und pferdefreundlich zu machen. Ich möchte sie aber ehrlich gasgt nicht auf dem Abreiteplatz sehen.
bkbt1711 2 years ago 3
ich bin wirklich kein ankyfan, aber ich bin dagegen pauschal alles von ihr schlecht zu reden. ganz allgemein finde ich es traurig, dass sich vor allem die leute über rollkurreiter aufregen, die ihr pferd gar nicht an den zügel geritten bekommen. deren pferde haben den kopf irgendwo in der luft und den rücken durchgedrückt und dann erzählen diese leute was von heuschmann. damit hat ihr reiten aber gar nichts zu tun. komisch, dass sich darüber keiner aufregt.
1010nicole1010 2 years ago 2
Ich kann mein Pferd am Zügel reiten und das ohne großen Zwang.
Deshlab verstehe ich Leute wie Anky nicht...
Natürlich kann sie auch gut reiten, aber für mich überwiegen die negativen Dinge.
bkbt1711 2 years ago
das was Anky macht hat aber nichts mit an den Zügel zu reiten zu tun; und das argument andere können die Pferde nicht mal an den zügel reiten - andere Leute - sind auch nicht die Weltelite der Reiterschaft und von der will ich nunmal ordentliches Reiten und Pferde mit POSITIVER Spannung sehen...
xyzJackBlackzyx 2 years ago
Außerdem heißt an den Zügel reiten nicht runterriegeln und zusammenziehen. Da schau ich lieber einem Anfänger zu, bei dem das pferd halt nicht durchs genick geht, aber dafür nach der Reiteinheit psychisch noch in Ordnung ist.
xyzJackBlackzyx 2 years ago
recht habt ihr.... öffentlich und das als vorbild für junge reiter... naja leider machen es die deutschen nicht besser "werth und hannes"... schlimm genug das sie es überhaupt machen....
156eros 2 years ago
ja ichgeb euch beiden recht, das mit der rollkur is echt scheiße...dass sie das so öffentlich macht und sich überhaupt nich schämt, das müsste man wirklich mal mit ihr machen...
thimsisi 2 years ago
da kann ich dir nur zustimmen
iLoveIsabella09 rollkur und dann auch noch klatschen. man sollte ihr den kopf selber mal an die brust binden und so rumlaufen lassen.
maikesponge 2 years ago
Die Hinterhand tritt bei dem armen Pferd nicht mehr richtig mit. Wie bei so vielen Reiter ist es : Vorne hui, hinten pfui. Und es hat mal wieder den typischen 'anky rollkur halz '
Und die Leute applaudieren .. schlimmer gehts nicht !
iLoveIsabella09 2 years ago
naja ob sie dabei spaß hat weiß ich nicht. aber sinn der sache ist doch, dass wenn du das pferd vor der prüfung so unter spannung setzt, es vollkommenes showgehabe ist, was es dann letztendlich in der prüfung zeigt. naja und das hat den bekannten "wow-effekt". ich denke, solche reiter haben ihr schlechtes gewissen irgendwo auf dem weg ihrer reitkarriere verloren. ihrer ansicht nach sind sie damit wahrscheinlich noch ballast los geworden.
SimplyKirara 2 years ago
Naja Die Hinterhand greift bei dem Pferd fast nicht mehr 1:03-1:09 von dem her...
RidingHoney 2 years ago
kann mir jemand erklären aus welchem grund man so etwas grausames von seinem pferd verlangt?? macht das spaß das eigene pferd voll zu unterdrücken??
einfach nur schrecklich! gehört verboten so etwas!
snegge1988 2 years ago
was denn?
SourisSalut 2 years ago
sieht man das nicht??
wenn diese prozedur auch ohne zaumzeug, sporen und gerte funktioniert, dann hat sie meinen respekt!
dann würde das pferd freiwillig so gehen..oder??
denkanstoß: natural horsemanship
denn meine pferde können das auch ohne zwang - und haben sogar noch spaß dabei!
das benötigt halt viel zeit - die leider nur wenige haben!
snegge1988 2 years ago
Das sieht man doch! Guck dir mal Stimmen der Pferde an! Ist zwar nicht sonderlich spannend gemacht, aber dafür sehr lehrreich.
Ich frage mich, warum bekommt die immer noch Applaus? Weil es unwissende Menschen gibt, die sich nicht dafür interessieren wie es dem Pferd dabei ergeht!
(Ist nicht auf dich bezogen)
RidingHoney 2 years ago
Ich verstehe was du meinst.
ich bin wie gesagt auch kein fan von anky, muss aber sagen, dass ihr pferd in prüfungen sehr gut auf die hinterhand kommt, sehr sehr gut. ich bezweifel dass die rollkur sich positiv darauf auswirkt nur finde ich es schade wenn das was hinter anky und der rollkur steht einfach so missachtet wird. Mein Pferd würde ich nie so reiten aber anky macht ob mit oder ohne rollkur einen guten job.
SourisSalut 2 years ago
ich will dir deine meinung nicht absprechen, ich finde es sollte nur zwischen dem ganzen contra anky auch mal erwähnt werden.
SourisSalut 2 years ago
also sieht jetzt nicht so durchlässig aus in dem video, aber generell ... reiten ca 98% der reiter so, oder?
SourisSalut 2 years ago
i love riding and watching dressage.i'm an isabell werth-fan, but i think that anky is also a great rider, that's why she has got a lot of success all these years. She has a lot of experience and this makes it so upsetting that she even does rollkur. she exactually knows how to disable her horses not to stem rollkur. my dressage horse is a well-educated, heathly-minded horse, that would put anky in 10 seconds down in the mud when she would be doing this... :) luckily
extravagantbrownie 2 years ago
hmm this could have been beautiful if it weren't for the rolkur shit. you'd think someone as high up as Anky would know better...
loveofallhorses 2 years ago 3
What I dont understand about all this stuff is why people arent attacking jumpers for doing Rollkur I know 50x's more jumper trainers that use this method, even national level professionals, than dressage trainers....and the reason we attack Anky is why....I honestly think its because she has won so much and gained such a fame level that people arent happy unless they tear her apart about something. Go back to the source people and not a rider who picked up on the method. :)
overopainthorseluver 2 years ago
about the jumpers.. that's so right!
riclicdreamer 2 years ago
because she should know better
indiaismygirl 2 years ago
Callunairis...
Shhhh.
You dont know what you're talking about.
Read a book.
The horse was sliiiiightly tense...but not in its work, more so that it was at a clinic.
It WAS on its hindquaters, so dont know what youre going on about there....
and, um, rollkur. How many scientific papers have you read? Well, ive read, and indeed written, quite a few. OKAY we know if its done wrong it can be bad, we get it! But this was fine. rollkur done well does not harm the horse whatsoever. FACT.
Howe3488 2 years ago
Falsch. Du solltest "Stimmen der Pferde" ansehen, oder "Finger in der Wunde" lesen.
aaeaeama 2 years ago 2
I agree. Anky rocks.
painthorselover14023 2 years ago
The horse looks so relieved to stop.
bettylion 2 years ago 6
@bettylion any horse is relieved and happy to stop hard work
jennyg8525 1 year ago
This could have been nice... IF THE HORSE WAS NOT TOTALLY TENSE! Besides, what happened to 'being on the hindquarters' with collection??
And I'm not even gonna start about that horrible rollkur...
callunairis1 2 years ago 5
Die Alte gehört echt weggemacht. AFFA
bigmichel1969 2 years ago 5
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why is everyone so jalous.. she is the best of the world 4 x! whats youre comment.. the horse is great, with Anky! she tell how you train of a piaffe to passage and talk not of a rollkur, if you no what it is
Fornarinaaa 2 years ago
doof odaH sow im gehirn ?!
PferdeLiebtMann 2 years ago
have you comment.. english pleas..
Fornarinaaa 2 years ago
ich empfehle der Reiterin das Buch "Finger in der Wunde".Armseelig unseren Reiternachwuchs so unreiterlich zu Schulen!
sunrisetarget 2 years ago 2
i hate Anky for that, what she do with horses! FEI should kick she to as s!
ania9393 3 years ago 3
MONEY money and more money ... I have to say she is brilliant as making MO MONEY ...... as a rider she is HORRID, AND WORSE THAN THAT , she teaches the whole world how to abuse horses, destry their spines ..... competition dressage has nothing to do with Dressage , let 's not mix the two . Competition dressage is GREED AND THAT IS ALL ANKY IS , a greedy woman . Boy Oh BOY does she has millions fooled , what a brilliant business woman , but as a rider , she abuses her horses for her glory
egasserd8888 3 years ago 31
yes!
BonVuaz 3 years ago
also jetz komm i grad net mit. aber di anky sitzt da net auf dem pferd sondern des is die sprecherin da?.
was die hat gesagt rollkur tut dem pferd gut?!?!
ehm ja oke..also i glaub da muss ma nix dazu sagen.Ich renn au gern mit da nase an der brust die ganze Zeit rum*autsch* armes pferdL!
CathyOnTour 3 years ago
zu den kommentaren hier von flaggenbrand,meckie15 usw ist nichts weiter hinzuzufügen.
-.-
Maibienchen 3 years ago
haha idd je ziet niet eens dat ze iets doet :P
Fornarinaaa 3 years ago
ich nehm jetz mal stark an,dass es sich bei dem Publikum um Zuschauer gehandelt hat, die keine Ahnung haben.. denn ansonsten verstehe ich ihre Begeisterung nicht..
Aber wir sollten stolz auf sie sein.. das Pferd hatte den Kopf nur noch hinter der senkrechten und kaum an der Brust! haste dolle gemacht anky *klatsch*
Und die herrliche Piaffe!das ganze Gewicht auf die Vorderhand und die Hinterhand hüpft irgendwo herum!
(Zum drehen dieses Clips hat Anky nur ein oder zwei Pferde "kaput" gemacht)
Flaggenbrand 3 years ago 4
armselig.sie zeigt wunderbar die schwächen der menschen, nämlich schwächere zu demütigen und für siege und erfolg alles zu tun.auch ein pferd systematisch quälen und auch noch meinen naja behaupten es gefällt dem pferd.ich habe mal einen alten artikel von ihr gelesen wo sie mit rollkur angefangen hatte..."es tut dem pferd gut" war eine eindeutige aussage die im ganzen text vorkam.klar das pferd mag gedemütigt werden.sind ja im maul garnicht so empfindlich*huuust*
meckie15 3 years ago 8
u die klatschen no wie dumm muss ma sein
WESERADELUXE 3 years ago 3
Grässlich. Einfach nur grässlich und schrecklich und gemein. Und damit verdient man Millionen.
Gescheiterte 3 years ago 3
die Frau is einfach nur reif für de Insel. Soll de Pferde in ruhe lassn ...meine fresse! Ò_ó
Kruemelbacke91 3 years ago 4
This horse is not Through nor is it tracking up when worked in working trot. The neck is tight as is the jaw. I don't believe in "fashion dressage" it shouldn't be rewarded, regarded or applauded. It's the ugly form of competition. Classical principles will one day become more popular when people realise it's "fashion" making their horses lame, sore and weak in the back. Watch horses like this, they move with a flashy front end and nothing going on behind. Come on this is NOT DRESSAGE!
CounterCanter888 3 years ago 4
yes yes yes!!! dressage is no more the art, it is just a sport.. horse is no more a parner, but only a tool... Anky should be in jail, not at Olympics...
krisouyeah 3 years ago 7
haaallooo. ze is wereldkampioen 4 x achter elkaar.. ze is dus wel goed . ze heeft elke duister verslagen hoor.. O.o
xChaa 3 years ago
Ich verstehe nicht wie man das toll finden kann, das arme Pferd wir eingerollt und sie bohrt nur mit den Sporen, aber es sieht ja so toll aus..............
mona8970 3 years ago
vollkommen inaktiv die hinterhand O.o sieht für mich nicht gut aus.... sehr sehr verspannt...
paschida 3 years ago
I must admit I am unsure of her training techniques. But I think it is still unfair for onlookers to acuse Anky of inflicting abuse upon her horses, you are not the rider or the horse, so how can one be so sure that she is "abusing" them? the judges dont seem to mind the way she rides, or the FEI, so what are we arguing and acusing her of?Is it just Anky's courage to challenge classical views that were so caught up in? Although there are the medical "facts" to consider. I dont know what to think
DressageDiva000 3 years ago
"Do you believe in everything the government tells you?"... Just because the judges and the FEI don't argue with Anky's techniques/abuses it doesn't mean what she does is CORRECT or according to the classical principles. The dressage she shows is "show dressage/modern dressage" which is dressage astray. I say it's time all horse people educate themselves in regards to which frames are beneficial and good to the horses versus the frames that are in conflict with the horse's well being.
Onaziz 3 years ago 4
das kommentar von labu94 is einfach nua lächerlich eifersüchtig auf sone hässliche reiterei einfach nur lächerlich lern erst ma reiten bevorst a kommentar abgibst ey!! dann weißt du was wir alle meine was die frau macht grenzt scha an tierquälerei!!
MalibuSaufa 3 years ago
Ich weiß nicht, wie man auf so was neidisch sein sollte... So wenig Gefühl - keine spur von Leichtigkeit, das kann man nicht REITEN nennen!
mayflower55555 3 years ago 2
Scheiße!!!!!! Tierquälerei!!!!!
schnauzentier 3 years ago
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<3 ANKY <3 ich denk mal dass viele deutsche einfach neidig auf anky sind, da ihre 'super-isabelle
' anfach nicht gegen sie ankommt!!
ich mag sie und ihre Pferde sehr :)
labu94 3 years ago
Eh du von mir aus kann da ein Marsmensch gewinnen aber bei Tierquälerrei hört es einfach auf.Wenn Isabell Wehrt das machen würde würde ich die auch hassen aber die alte schweine grunz denkt doch nur an ihren Gewinn die Tiere sind ihr scheißegal warscheinlich auch die Menschen ,die hat kein Hertz und keine Gefühle die ist gefärlich und gehört in die psichatrie!!!:(Tut mir leid aber es ist so man sollte sich von der in acht nehmen die ist zu allem Fähig!!!
lilcherrylove1 3 years ago
ich kann nicht besser reiten, aber kritik an tierquälerei üben ist für mich ein unterschied als aus neid lästern. das ist nicht klassisch, das ist nicht pferdegerecht, das ist der schummelweg für "ich entlocke mienem pferd spannige schwebetritte und verkaufe sie als harmonische piaffe" bitte? anky a la teppichklopfdötzrunterallesgut-mehode. feines reiten schaut anders aus.
go6go6go6 3 years ago
anky du schlampe!!!!!
doubtless4ever 3 years ago 2
rollkur a la anky...jipije^^
go6go6go6 3 years ago
waoh! xD What a pleasure it must be to pat the neck of the horse which you are killingxD....
fleur4198 3 years ago
you guys are really boring
jlclpa 3 years ago
These comments are BOOOOOOOOOORING! I'm really looking forward to watch some of the video's of these people reacting, riding their own horses.
djustyou 3 years ago
sorry excuse my ignorance but Anky isnt Emily Anker is it?
courtnkate 3 years ago
i'm prety sure she is talking about anky van grunsven but i could be wrong .
SUPatKRiiSTEN 3 years ago
if she is soo good then why can't she train her horses just like all the other good riders out there?
does she really have to make her horse kiss his own chest to train it when other trainers can get the same results if not better using kinder methods?
loraleypike 3 years ago
I do not like this method. When has winning been more important than the welfare of the horse? Rollkur is 'learned helplessness' 'training' of the horse. I am very happy that my horse is on the forehand and my reins are like washing lines - because we are both happy and comfortable.
hellybelly6 3 years ago
Rollkur is a suppling exercise. I've ridden horses trained this way in Holland and they were not at all unhappy or incorrect. They go properly if trained with seat and legs. I do not use this method, but I will not call lpeople who do names or accuse them of not caring about their horses.
pirouette987 3 years ago
It sounds like she's gagging on somehting while she's trying to talk
LOL. That's how Dutch sounds. They have those sounds in Dutch. That's normal. Try getting out sometime and being exposed to some other languages :)
pirouette987 3 years ago
I never said that the Rollkur makes the horse tense and psycho. what i meant was that alot of her horses are very hot, and a tense body normally comes with a very hot and nervous horse. But all of her horses, regardless of the stiffness, execute their movements 100% correctly and they float off of the ground with ease. Because of this I find it hard to believe rollkur, under ankys hands, affects the horse at all. It may and will with people who dont know what they are doing, but not with her.
overopainthorseluver 3 years ago
anky uses rollkur..
LordisNaughtyGirl 3 years ago
Again hyperflexion is fine in the correct hands and its fine if an amature rider does it under the trained eye of a professional. This girl on the video is riding great and probably will ride better then most people bitching on this post ever will. Everyone needs to get off thier high-horse about hyperflexon and except the fact that it is what anky does and it obviously works considering she keeps winning EVERYTHING!
overopainthorseluver 3 years ago
even in the hands of an experienced rider, rollkur is wrong :( and to add it works considering she keeps winning, just souns so cold. If you´re a great rider, you should be able to perform greatly with a horse without using rollkur during training it..! Plus to say people commenting about it are just jealous really ain´t the case :D seriously, it always makes me laugh when people say "oh you´re just jealous!" lol
Jefrma 3 years ago
Obviously you are as ignorant as all of the other people on this comment page saying this is wrong. I would like to see you try and ride the horses anky rides. She rides some of the hottest horses in the world and therefore she can use rollkur with them, because as long as you have ALOT of impulsion in the hind end to back it up with, it will not harm the horse. And people say her horses are tense, well of course, most of them are psycho and hot thats why they hotrod off the ground and win.
overopainthorseluver 3 years ago
so you haven´t thought about the possibility that the use of rollkur might be a reason for some of her horses being tense and "psycho"? I remember one person telling me she works at a horseclinic and tha many of ankys horses arriving there were really messed up :( So shortly said: as long as you keep winning every stupid race, the horse doesn´t matter?? Imagine yourself as horse forced to rollkur and even you start hurting you´re not allowed to rice your head one bit.
Jefrma 3 years ago
i totally agree Jefrma. Gd rider care about their horses, using rollkur is a really bad method, and some people say it's against the FEI rule!!!She keeps winning everything is because she has a great horse and she has great music, but that doesn't mean she has great personality.If you just consider if you win or not you shouldn't be riding.Riding means you'll need to work with your partner,if you're not caring your partner why are you even riding?huh? I THINK YOU'LL BE THE ONE WHO CAN'T RIDE GD!
ching962 3 years ago
Salinero and Bonfire are especially hot horses,she doesn't buy great horses she trains them and when she finally takes them to the olympics they are about 15. She spends months on freestyle pieces too, she doesn't get great music she makes it. Anky also cares for her horses if her horses were not willing to do the work then they wouldn't perform the way they do. You can't fake olympic dressage, she gets marked on relaxation and willingness of the horse and so her horses are obviously happy.
katers93 3 years ago
i totally agree Jefrma. Gd rider care about their horses, using rollkur is a really bad method, and some people say it's against the FEI rule!!!She keeps winning everything is because she has a great horse and she has great music, but that doesn't mean she has great personality.If you just consider if you win or not you shouldn't be riding.Riding means you'll need to work with your partner,if you're not caring your partner why are you even riding?huh? I THINK YOU'LL BE THE ONE WHO CAN'T RIDE GD!
ching962 3 years ago
how does Rollkur Bring out the best in the horse ???? by being soo deep that the horse cant come under himself??
your not the only dressage rider that gets trained by a olympic champion and i have learnt something ; not to do Rollkur
And just because you were taught by a world champion ;doesn't mean that your a good rider. and doesn't mean that your riding your horse correctly
Dressagechick96 3 years ago
uughh! What a horrible voice!!! :-P It sounds like she's gagging on somehting while she's trying to talk. and to think she was singing in part of the song she used for her freestyle rides on salinero. yuck.
mercon88 3 years ago
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Rollkur makes me laugh. They are called "flexions of the jaw and neck" and Baucher started it way back in the 1700's. This is nothing new. It brings out the best in the horse. Open your minds. LEarn from the best, because the best trainer use this method. I ride at Grand Prix, and I ride ALL my horses this way. I was taught by a world champion who to ride deep, and all about Baucher.
peronacedressage 3 years ago
It is Anky Riding First of all .. and theres no point in arguing over the rollkur situation cause its not going to help!
kuniccam 3 years ago
like I said, I'll take it back. I'm totally against rolkur, and it's far from nice..
horsieylover 3 years ago
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Anky is a Dutch name, and I guess you're just jealous. She's an amazing rider, and you'll only ride the way she does IN YOUR DREAMS.
horsieylover 3 years ago
Can't you see what she is ding to the horse? It's just sooo cruel! Anyone who is less cruel rides better than her.
JeaTin 3 years ago 2
I take it back, and I'm sorry. You're right. She IS a bad rider, she's just abusing that poor horse.
horsieylover 3 years ago
Anky IS a dutch name and a legndary rider in the world of dressage and No Im not jealous, but do you really think that things like rolkur are a "nice" thing to do to a horse??
FuriosoDespina 3 years ago