Yeah scottish independence! This means us in england never have the bloody labour party again wohoo!!!! You can keep your gordon brown to screw up your own country
SEpratist RUBBISH!!! shortbread tin politics, silly music, "Brigadoon fairy stories about "A happy land .far far away. THe British people aer basicallythe same!
But we're not. If you go North of the border, you will find that the first answer most people will give to the question "what nationality are you?" will be "I'm Scottish". Try that in England.
@Alun24698781 what the tores lol they wanted to block everything i would not be surprised if they blocked scots from voting fs the english want to keep us the scots r ready to go
scotland we need to wake up ! berfore we have no oil left . Thats all the english are interested in £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
because 1.This the will of the scottish people-never has a democratic decision been over turned in the western world.
2.Scotland would be able to declare independence the the UN rights
article 1 part 1All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
The people of Scotlands wishes will be respected. If most want a break up of the UK then of course the UK government and Parliament will accept this. There will be no need for external forces pressuring us, the will of the Scottish people will be implemented.
However a couple of weeks ago there was a general election. 75% of the votes from Scotland went to parties that strongly support the United Kingdom and oppose an "independent Scotland". There is no justification for a referendum right now
@JamesPipper There was no justification for going in to an illegal
war in iraq-they done it anyway
James: scotland voted for the biggest party that wasn't tory because it gave them a better chance of not getting the tories. There is justification for a referendum right now people didn't vote SNP in 2007 for a laugh the polls are constitent the people of scotland want a say whether or not they are unionist or nationalist
The fact remains 75% in the recent election voted for unionist parties. If they wanted independence they would have voted SNP no matter what, especially was the polls suggested a hung parliament. Also people got what they wanted, Scotland prevented there being a conservative majority government. The tories had to form a coalition with the lib dems. They won a HUGE overall majority in England.
As for 2007, the SNP won one more seat than Labour with a majority of just 48 votes.
@JamesPipper No the scottish people could not have independence right now because the bill of independence would be killed off if they introduced it now.
This general election wasn't about independence it was about who can save scotland from the tories only labour could-now they can't and so with a by-election
in my constituency probably going to be very soon when gordon brown gets a job at the IMF we will see where scotlands loyalities lie.
Indeed a bill on independence would be killed off because the majority of seats in the Scottish parliament are pro union. As soon as the SNP get a majority of seats / votes in the Scottish parliament or a majority of Scottish seats in the UK parliament i will respect the fact Scotland wants a referendum and it should be legally binding and accepted by the British government. Till then there is no justification for one. The SNP victory in 2007 was to punish labour not for support of independence
I think the SNP may win the most seats again in 2011, picking up a few seats but still far short of an overall majority. I dont really like labour, but as a unionist of course id rather see them in power there than the SNP. I dont think much of the labour leader, Salmond is clearly the strongest political force in Scottish politics, that isnt enough to obtain independence though.
@JamesPipper I can see labour losing seats and the lib dems
definitely will-the question however my friend is how many seats.
My neighbour Alex (a tory voter) who goes to strathclyde uni studying poltics under prof.John Curtice suggest the SNP might gain 14 seats mainly in lib-dem and labour areas they were apparently 2nd in 14 seats with a swing less than 5%.
Its certainly possible they could pick up that amount, although how the coalition is doing in a years time may have an impact, it could still be popular which would weaken the punishment for the lib dems. I agree debating now wont make any difference.
But do u accept the basic point that if a majority of seats / votes go to parties that oppose a referendum on independence then they are justified in voting down the referendum bill even if the SNP win some more seats and remain in government?
@JamesPipper Yes If the people of scotland vote for unionist parties
then they are justified but in turn I hope you undestand that devolvement only begets more devolvement that will eventually lead to separation that is happening all over
the uk.I personally cant see british pride and the union recovering-If it does then who knows,But if it doesnt then it is just matter of time maybe 2 years 20 years or 50 years until the final cords snap.
I agree that action is needed to ensure over a long period of time the independence cause does not grow. Of course the longer it is put off the better for the union though. Alex salmond is a powerful leader, even unionists think he makes the best first minister of Scotland because the other parties leaders are pretty lacking. Once Salmond goes the new leader is going to struggle to maintain current levels of support for the snp.
I agree that we need to reverse the decline of British patriotism, this isnt just a problem in Scotland but throughout the United Kingdom. Hell here in England we have muslims who feel more loyal to pakistan than Britain lol. Many things could be done to deal with this problem, its if the political will is there. I think labour losing to the SNP in 2007 has woken them up to the problem more, in the past they just tried to ignore it. Now they have a real reason to take action if they get back in
If scotland was independent now would any one suggest a union-most likely not.
British identity was in a hospice after thatcher,its last week at the re-opening of
all the devolved parliments and getting its last rights on 6th may 2010 when scotland voted labour and england voted tory-even though they are unionist parties this puts strains on anglo-scottish relations regardless.Will it make a recovery-------------Ask yourself in all honesty and truth.
I can understand why people feel proud to be Scottish, there are many reasons to take pride in such great culture. What i do not get is why that stops some people also taking pride in being British. You get even more things to take pride in without any conflict of interest because we have been working together as a United Kingdom for over 300 years.
Why do you think uve never felt or supported being British??
@JamesPipper Well it was the english who threatened the scottish
MPs in 1704 to join them in a union it was appealled twice and after the threat of
invasion,bridery and economic consequencies they marginally agreed.
I refuse to call myself british when westminster limits the powers of holyrood over her own country. Working together is exagerating rather england clicks its fingers and scotland comes to heel.
Libdems+Conservatives form a coalition government which far more votes than the SNP and double the number of seats. You are right in saying there has never been an overall majority in the Scottish parliament, this is why i am confident the SNP will never get one and be able to force through a referendum bill. The unionist can continue to block it, alex salmond wont be around for ever, then the SNP is screwed.
The 3 unionist parties in the Scottish parliament have 78 seats currently, the SNP just 47 so even with the greens / independent and if they pick up a few seats in 2011 they will still not have a majority to pass the bill.
It does depend on what the lib dems do. Considering they are in power at the UK level now i find it unlikely that they will back a referendum in the next parliament. They can simply say the focus must be on dealing with the debt to prevent a crisis.
My point about the constitutional powers of the Scottish parliament is that it has none. The devolved Scottish parliament has no mandate or authority to holding referendums on constitutional matters like destroying the United Kingdom
People voted the SNP into power there to deal with things like health and education. Not reserved matters where the Scottish government has no power. People knew that the SNP couldnt destroy the UK if they got into power. Some just like the SNPs left wing policies
@JamesPipper The scottish parliment has a mandate to do anything
the scottish people want whether constitutional or not, a democratic decision is
very unlikely to be offer turned. If destroying the UK is what the scottish people want then their wishes will be heard.The people never voted SNP to rule just health and that they voted them to govern all devolved matters the scottish people
The Scottish parliament has a right to debate any issue it wants but its powers along with the powers of the government are clearly defined. The UK government / parliament will respect the right of the Scottish parliament to decide if it wants a referendum on independence, it does not legally have to do that. The UK parliament may want to run the referendum itself, not let the Scottish government mess around with the question on such an important referendum.
We can agree on that! :) You care about the Scottish parliament and that it has the ultimate say to represent the views of the Scottish people. I can understand that and as i said before if the majority of Scottish MSPs want a referendum on independence id respect that.
But in 2011 if over 60% of the seats go to parties who clearly state they oppose a referendum on independence does that not justify them blocking the SNPs referendum bill? It would clearly be the wish of the Scottish majority
@JamesPipper .I personally uphold the sovereignty of the scottish people
that they alone with have their will and I must accept that-Yes I want independence but moreover I want the scottish people whether anti or pro indepedence to have their say not english puppet politicans to decide
for them. polls for a referendum are 70-75 % according to wikipedia.
The slump for independence is most likely caused by economic recession.
Vote SNP! I know that I am underage and can't vote but if Scottish people wanna be indepent (which we do) then vote for SNP! I can still stand by my country if I really wanna. Scots rock my blue socks! Fizzy xx
Its coming.Dont you worry because our independance,our freedom,our say must be heard.Centuries we scots have vowed to be free.I can hear it coming.Like Wallace said "FFFRRREEEEEEEEEEDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM".Its coming.
Isn't it a bit unfair to say that you are slaves to a country (England) which itself is no longer self governing? England does not have a seperate parliament and it, like the rest of the U.K. is being subsumed into a European superstate. If you talk of Scottish Independence I have to ask what from?
They let Meghari free but look at it this way, he needed to get hospital treatment because we couldn't let him die due to E.U regulations. Why should we pay for it? Anyway it's a micro concern cause he will be dead in buried within 6 months
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The SNP love Libyan oil and muslim terrorists too.Don't forget they love SF-IRA murderers too.The SNP is the best Nazi party out there.Way to go twats.
These useless fucks let Megrahi go back to Libya. Sad, sad day for Scotland. Only good thing is that maybe this will be what gets rid of these arseholes. God bless the Union!
Because they refused to be America's little bitch like Westminster forces the rest of the UK to be. It's admirable they aren't afraid to make controversial decisions under pressure. Any other party would simply have pandered to America.
And you don't honestly STILL believe Megrahi was properly responsible do you? He was a fall guy. The real people never get caught. And besides, its strange how he forced to drop his appeal by the UK government...could it be there is ahem.. TROUBLESOME evidence
And don't you find it a tad hypocritical that you call upon God to bless the union (the person who represents love and forgiveness ect.) and yet you become highly aggressive and insulting at allowing a dying man to return home. What difference would it have made to you had they kept him in prison. You may not like it, you're probably American given all their judicial system strives to do is PUNISH PUNISH PUNISH (how narrow-minded) but it was an admirable thing to do. So ATTICUS of them.
yah, hear hear. you all can FUCK OFF if u think scotland is better off under ANYBODY'S THUMB. you MUST be english!! FUCK YOU! we love you SCOTLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and you WILL be free
i wouldn't say Scotland gets all of it's money from England but it does get quite a bit from England and i also would not say Scotland will die it just might not do as well as it could.
But England doesn't give Scotland any money. England is in debt to an embarrassing degree, while Scotland raises more in tax than is spent upon it. Those are the cold facts, I'm afraid.
AYE right! Sort of like the earth is flat pigs can fly and Nuclear power is safe!Or was that meant to be Brittania rules the wave !Whatever!Scotland is moving towards Independence wether people like you like it or lump it! So away and check out if your pig can fly yet! INDEPENDENCE!!!!!
I will dream on and as I dream I become more and more certain that Scotland shall be free.Kenny Mcaskills brave and wise decision has only strengthened my belief in this direction. SCOTLAND FOREVER INDEPENDENCE
Scotland shall be Free with or without little brown turds like throwthehammer and all his scaremongering gibberish! No more rule nothing!Scotland to rule itself ............................ INDEPENDENCE NOW !
by the way he rants and raves calls you all sorts of names !Then he blocks you from commenting!That is his idea of fairness!Of course that is the typical norm for little trurds like him. Saor Alba !
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SNP want to turn Scotland into an overtaxed socialist republic who would be part of a European federal superstate, run by bureaucrts and Brussels, they wnat out of NATO threatening west and have made deals with the muslim community to impose Shariah law in certain areas in Scotland, This video is ridiculous misguided propaganda
Open your eyes this is our chance to stand on our own two feet and decide our own fate. No longer london will be able to devalue the scottish pound when you exchange your money aboard and tax us for our own oil the money will go stright back into scotland. We could also charge them for the water we pump down to them and start our own banks after all they made the bank of scotland crash. Vote for a brighter future.
I'm sorry you feel that the nation that (with its allies )defeated Hitler is a farce.Perhaps we shouldn't have bothered. By the way, the nations of Scotland, England and Wales comprise Great Britain. With Northern Ireland we make The U.K.
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scottishlad independence(not independance)you sound english. SNP nanny state same as labour, soft on crime hard on smokers , drinkers etc. raise the price of alcohol for everyone before they will punish the thugs.
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Glasgow East, 'traditional Labour heartland', 2008. What did the SNP say to woo a lot of the voters? 'We'll cut petrol prices', so did they sit down and work out how they'd meet those proposals and how they'd finance it? No they just pulled it out of their arse on the spot.
now you are being ridiculous! Scotland are in a union of their own choosing and can leave if that is the majority will of the peoploe of Scotland! We are NOT a province but a member NATION We are not enslaved you know its called Democracy Dont Forget that!
excuse me but the SNP are in existance for Independence THEN there would be free elections for Scottish only Parties within that structure whether it be right left or center do you really think that the snp would continue for ever in a free Scottish Parliament? they are a means to an end and they are doing rather well.
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Race? theres no such thing as races you racist separatist shit-stirrer. Guess what we were before the SNPs fantasy paradise of Scotland was even invented - Britions! all living in Britannia, grow up pal
Racist shit stirrer eh? mmmm thats a well thought out argument you have there, if thats your vision of Britain to call people names and insult them then you can keep your rosy tinted vision mate! ALL people living in britain were Britons? i see, when exactly was this? and the SNP invented Scotland eh? nothing to to with King Kenneth MacAlpin then in the 10th century i suppose? dream on
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err... during Roman times, if you have any understanding of history you would see that identity/nationality is a fluid thing and the point is to become inclusive NOT exclusive i.e. a united Britain within a united Europe. It called progress, dragging back an idea from the Dark Ages is not progress. Get It?
Wtf you on about? Scots governing their own land has nothing to do with exclusivity , Its a Democratic right of her people if they so desire. Never heard of democracy? GET IT? and as for history dont lecture me pal I am quite well read on the subject. iTS YOUR Ideals that are based in the past ie Colonialism! now go away and stop making a bloody fool of yourself
During roman times there were many racial groups the ones you refer to as 'Britons' were Brythonic(welsh) speaking celts later to be joined by Germanic angles and saxons and in the North the Picts (origins debateable) and towards the end of the empire the Gaelic Scots from Ireland joined the mix. so for you to say that there is no such thing as race is nonesense there has never been a British race as such unless you are refering to the Brythons exclusively
Give it a rest! The SNP have every right to ask for support for their agenda what are you against Democracy? Fuck Britain This is a question for Scots! its up to us we dont need Permission from our Big Brother over the border. One of the oldest Nations in the world has every right to seek its own way again! and 30% i think your figures are wishful thinking Brit Boy
It sure is a great nation and consisting of of four great peoples. We have had the blessing of never being ruled by the far right or far left. We have our own way of doing things.
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Me, me, me thats all you separatists are about. What is wrong with you? why can't you just get along with the people on the same island as you like the majority of us? bunch of racist cavemen.
At the moment we are united if the SNP have there way we will become divided. Then we will have even less of a place in the world. We are already a small country making us small er will do noone any good.
please, please please all scots vote snp. I have to come on this site to make this request as there is no english national party (be racist wouldn't it). also, please take all the scottish mp's, newsreaders,etc, etc. Thanking you all in anticipation of a resounding victory for snp at the next election.
mate there is an english national party: Just look on google and you will find it. If you do get join them though try and encourage them to be a bit more positive: At the moment its all whining about the Scots, Welsh and N Irish a bit like the SNP began. If they could offer a way forward working in harmony with the other British nations (as we must) then they would do well I imagine.
so if Scotland was independent we could make our own decisions on were to delegate our money well for example money on trident low cost of energy due to renewable's and more money from oil in the short term to boost our economy and attract foreign investment. independence is good for Scotland yes. but not for the UK because well i haven't got room to type the reasons but anyway ZKAB go to hell you dafty
so why don't you all vote snp then? What oil you talking about? it belongs to the orkneys and they should have independence as well. That's your economic strategy blown to pieces, but please, please scotland, vote snp, then we english can be rid of you once and for all.
well no tha tor dhin a brian an cannan nasinta agoing Gealic yes we Do have our culter we do have a prospering economy we do have amazing education in some of the best unys in the world and we have the opportunity to be the world leaders of renewable energy! small nations like Denmark and the Netherlands have far better life expectance far better health far better education far better everything accept maybe bombs and army (and well that is not anything to be proud to have)
poor silly SNPs you think u r different from other British nations but what have u got else than Wales or England dont have? u v your culture & heritage its true but what language do u speak? almost all of u speak English so 4 me u remain British
Ever had a look at the state England is in? With an archaic 'first past the post' electoral system. A burgeoning population with a failing health service, soaring crime rates and STILL no enquiry into the london bombings despite simply massive questions about this incident. Westminster is sending british men to fight american wars based on lies, look up 9/11 on youtube. And you wonder why we want fuck all to do with your collapsing constitutional monarchy. Get real. Get educated.
u r right on this we have plenty of problems in England but i love England so Scotland, Wales etc... because all these nations are part of my country i m proud 2 live in: Britain.
i do not say that Scotalnd sucks, not at all, but all nation in the UK must remain in one country. U mentioned problems, they exist but remermber that Britain is the 1st counrty 2 have created a parliamentary monarchy & has been a land of freedom.
am scottish and i dont hate england (i have english m8s aswell) but i dont trust labour, torys or lib dems. If Britain is the country of freedom then why are they so afraid to hold a referendum on independance? Surly if most scots want to remain a part of britain (as the opposing partys say)then theres nothing to worry about. i voted for the party that said the war was illegal and i dont want to remain as a brittain thats run by criminals. Britain is just becoming the 51st state of America.
ur perfectly right neither do i trust current politics in th UK. Our country must remain the country of freedom, our history proved it several times. Like u im disgusted in the americanization of our country that war was a big crime against British people & all peoples of Britain must stay united against them. U r aware of that & i wish all Scots were like u.
firstly it is funny that u did not reply to the bit about wat have Scotland done for Briton lol :D seems more than England have done for us. secondly the act of union was signed with out the peoples of Scotland's consent half the parliament was bribed the other half there missing ""
Oh ok. ON the up are you, 'we can take care of ourselves' from My big S. Then soon as a bloody refinery strike, on the phone to gordon brown. Get a grip!
Energy is currently a reserved matter for the London government, which Holyrood has no say in. Therefore as Scottish First Minister he does not have any power to do anything about energy matters, so yes unfortunately for the time being it is up to Gordon Brown. I'm guessing you are not Scottish from your posts and are probably jealous of us, otherwise why would you be so bitter and have such chip on your shoulder?
Oh jealous of what??? Wake up and get your head out of the clouds on top of the mountains! Its not jealousy it is a feeling of sadness that this nation is possibly on the verge of breaking up and weakening itself. And now IM including Scotland for that aspect.
"This nation" - have you been on the wacky baccy tonight or something? The UK is a STATE made up of 2 nations, a principality and a province. We would all get on a lot better as independent sovereign states, I'm sure a lot of the anti-Englishness and anti-Scottishness going around nowadays would disappear overnight as soon as the obsolete UK comes to an end. If you're not Scottish, then why should you care whether we become independent or not? The final decision will be made by Scottish people.
Your right about that, that it is down to scottish. But its for me to say that you are only making a big mistake. Just look at Britain as a whole and tell me. When ever did it feel divided when this island stood up to the likes of napolean, Kaiser and hitler? Where was the division? Its only untill som1 miss uses your national identity to get votes and to break apart what made this country as a union strong. Yes its not in my blood, but its a feeling in my heart and in my character.
"But its for me to say that you are only making a big mistake".
By saying that you have just proved my point about why we should be independent. If it's a mistake it will be OUR mistake. Nobody has any right to decide the future of Scotland, except the people of Scotland ourselves.
I would never wish to impose my own views upon anyone in England, Wales or Northern Ireland any more than those in France, Germany, Spain or Belgium. Everyone should be able to determine their own future.
Everyone tells me 'why do you care?' Where not british, english or whatever background from this island. But i was born here, and i have a feeling of national unity for this country and its history. For you to say its 'our mistake' proves my point perhaps a little that there is some truth in what i said. I cant change your views, its your choice. But heres a mistake that can be avoided. the leaders shouldnt bicker but find ALL ways on how to make the UK stronger. breaking up wont do that.
On a practical level, Britain is stronger as one. No1 is dictated by one country, it is all mislead by those who like to twist things in order to achieve power. It wont lead you to a peacefull and prosperous Scotland. You would only be surrendering yourselves even more to those who wouldnt care to see britain fall.
You are coming out with the sort of nonsense printed in the tabloid papers on the morning of the 2007 Scottish Parliament election. Trying to scare people just doesn't work. Not everything will be perfect in an independent Scotland and of course there will be challenges, but it will be much better than before. We've had to put up with being treated as second-rate citizens for decades and now at last we have a government who stands up for Scottish people, if I was you I would be pleased for us.
Who says your '2nd rate citizens'? Why the indifference? Is that what your own media coverage portrays? Again this indifference is whats the root of the problem. U see scotland as nd its greatness as it is today, still in unity with the nation (britain) as a whole. A scottish PM, MP's in parliament and even a lower tax rate than those imposed on many english!
When i say stronger, i dont mean in just a political context. Economically and even socially, in the sense we have different and free identitys, but united as one. U think the USA would be the largest power if its states separated? California could, but for what? And dont say they are states and its different because going back in time they joined the union when they were separate on their own. and it made america strong for what it is today. So be Pleased for this outcome? Far from it.
Anyway, what's so good about being large and powerful? That's exactly what leads to illegal wars and thousands of innocent civilians being killed in Iraq. Some of the most successful nations in the world are small countries like Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Switzerland, Netherlands to name a few.
Thats true to be side. Cant argue there with you. But the scotland with britain as you see today formed from being the power it is. You think those countries behind closed doors are trully successfull? Switzerland come on, would fall without the influence of America. Netherlands and the rest are now under the EU operation. Cant you see? Have scotland in union it identifies itself as a british union, or completly as the others followed just surrender your soverighty that you 'want' to europe?
I would never dream of trying to impose any views I might have of the situation with Greece / Turkey / Northern Cyprus upon you.
So why do you try to do the same to me with your views upon the future destiny of Scotland? Perhaps if you had lived in Scotland while Margaret Thatcher systematically destroyed our industry and imposed the poll tax on us you would have some idea of what I'm talking about and why I say we were treated as 2nd rate citizens. But I don't think you ever will.
And there shouldnt be a northern cyprus. But that happended for the same reason im trying to tell u. I'd like to hear your views on that subject. Cyprus years ago in the wake of the collapse of the british empire rebelled. It wanted independence from britain and it got it finally. There was a great rejoice as u can imagine. But all for what? To only have nearly 40% to be taken over by Turkey? All because u wanted to sell yourself to Greece? Cyprus was left defenceless.
And weakened. Under british rule at least it actually brought about development on the island and security, at a cost yes as we were never fully 'independent'. But Scotland is in with Britain. Its a part of what makes Britain as it is. The SNP are just dismantling the things that made its country great using nationalism that has been Mislead out of context. Its not all the SNP, perhaps. Its great u want to look after your own, but understand the damage on total separation could do. Cyprus 4 1
I see from your profile you are a Tory supporter. They're maybe having a good night in the English council elections, but as far as Scotland goes, they're completely finished and will never get much more than about 15% who are core voters anyway.
If / when Cameron becomes PM, then that will only serve to bring Scottish independence on even faster as the people up here will find it very difficult to tolerate another Conservavtive government and even less a public school upper class buffoon.
I do support the conservatives yes, but not because Im a 'Tory' as such. I go by what I see is best for the country. Im not keen on david cameron to be honest. My liking for gordon brown as dropped, but still not entirely. Mainly down to his decisions over northern rock, but as a leader and chancellor he is better 4me.
Thatcher i admire and not for tory reasons but her strengh and pride she had. We need a new fresh image to the scene, one that can lay down law and order and of course to maintain britains success as united and not to feel indifferent with one another that creates all this tension and talk of breaking up, which would only damage our position on a national and international status.
By the way, whats on my profile thats soo Tory? LOL! Its full of sad videos like sunset beach, karl&todd and kim wilde! Which ill admit is weird, but their just my things. I suppose some can be related to it yes! By the way i happen to like you and im pleased although we differ in this subject you take an interest into having a debate... Nothing personal i hope u know?
By the way, over the poll tax yes that she did was a mistake AND wrong. And not just to scotland but all over britain as well. But of course alot of industry was on its way out from all the strikes and protests from radical members in control of unions and lefty socialists. britain compared 1979 overall was more prosperous by 1990 after thatchers reforms. Scotland now stands being the 6th largest finacial centre in europe! in which the nation stands united with its ties to Britain.
Legacy of Maggie Thatcher 3 million unemployed Manufacturing industry decimated Destruction of whole communities Poll tax Increased gap between rich and poor (which Labour have done nothing to help) Greed is good There is no such thing as society Selling off OUR services to private shareholders Ruining NHS Sky high crime Selling council houses and not building more resulting in today's housing crisis. Labour has done very little to help. Independence must be the way forward.
Ok lets put 1970's into prospect; Unemployment on the rise with inflation rocketing, industries failing in every direction due to strike, power of unions, of which led to many of britains industries loosing out to others abroad. Councill estates on the rise, subsidised by the tax payer, Crime u argue on the rise only due to those who challenged the government. Back in the 70's they humilated the government and got their way through mass demonstrations and protests.
No its ok, I thought you were a bit funny at first but I guess you're all right just you got very different views to mine, I have arguments over politics with my best mate too LOL. I suppose I got to take my hat off to you, you do argue your points passionately. I'm absolutely knackered and off to bed in a soon, just listening to Ian Collins on Talk Sport, his phone in just now is about Maggie Thatcher, you should tune in, more interesting than BBC election night programme :-)
AM i still getting to u? LOl!!! Im soon off myself. and i dont intend on keeping u up, soo we can carry on with this if u want another time. Thanks for the tip, il see about lookin into it
'No such thing as society' Good point and ill say why. We are all individuals living in one place. We all need to depend on ourselves as much as possible. do u feel responsible for those failing to work when they can? And Class division? in 1979 only 7% of the nation owned shares. By 1990 it was 25%. More home ownership gave those many homes in their own right and not subdised by the state to look after. Was not greed going on when unions demanded more? When bodies, rubbish piling up
Britain, (Which includes Scotland i want to add in!) actually is a major influence on many of the countries you just mentioned. Over the oil dispute in the north, denmark claims it is on waters which makes it more theres to have. But challenge britain no chance. Scotand on its own? What do u think? Sometimes power is evil but it also maintains stability and prosperity for the nation your in that can use it.
I dont ever call me a ginger haired hilly billy ina skirt. I am greek cypriot, dark hair and toned naturally. With a British feeling of national pride for all the historic countries that make this island one great one!
If you read properly I was quoting another comment, I didnt say that myself. Good for you if you feel proud to be British then thats great for you, I just happen not to feel the same way. I feel Scottish and European, to be honest I don't even know what British is.
Being British is having pride for the country your in. Ok you have Scottish decent, that is your family background and fully respected. But British formed from Scotts, English, Welsh and make up the Island. U c urself as more european? I myself have a european decent and i dont!
Whats made Scotland what it is, is the development and investment that has come out from the wealth generated across Britain. Where the hell would a country with 5 million people be in the ranks with France, Germany or USA? Sell yourselves to europe thats what! Hand over your soverighty from a parliament u ahve representation in too some where across the channel. The SNP has No competence on the Country,No compentence on the economy.
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The sooner we offload you freeloading porridge muchers the better.
The union was born out of your near bankruptcy and you've contributed little since, other than deep fried choclate, lard eating, lager drinking and a whole host of unhealthy oddities.
With the money the english and welsh save I hope we rebuild hadrians wall and stick an infantry battalion on top it to shoot on sight any ginger marauder in a skirt who has any ideas about coming south.
Free loading?? in what way did you come up with that?? What do we get off you?? u give us and extra 8 billion a year we give you 30 billion in oil that is not counted. hmm would we be better of with the 8 billion substations or the 10 billion a year oil (99 dollars a barrel)
the union was born out of u bribing our MP's
and wat is good about the welsh they are poorer than us lol
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yes 10 years of scottish dominated government..... violent crime out of control, massive debt,ineptitude,iraq, corruption. thats scottish leadership for you
Yeah scottish independence! This means us in england never have the bloody labour party again wohoo!!!! You can keep your gordon brown to screw up your own country
cm6405 1 month ago
SEpratist RUBBISH!!! shortbread tin politics, silly music, "Brigadoon fairy stories about "A happy land .far far away. THe British people aer basicallythe same!
NOVATICANWARS 7 months ago
@NOVATICANWARS
But we're not. If you go North of the border, you will find that the first answer most people will give to the question "what nationality are you?" will be "I'm Scottish". Try that in England.
MarvellousMuffin 6 months ago
What I dont get is why we English dont get to vote on Scotish devolution. If we did then you guys would have all you desire lol
Alun24698781 8 months ago 2
@Alun24698781 what the tores lol they wanted to block everything i would not be surprised if they blocked scots from voting fs the english want to keep us the scots r ready to go
MrScottishJamie 5 months ago
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Look at you , your so negative
Let me hear something positive .
Is having control of our oil a bad thing ? I think not .
If your going to say it's sooner than thirty years
then we better hurry up and get our Independence .
It's not all about oil I hope you know .
It's about the right to self-determination
so you better start respecting that right .
cameranzo1 1 year ago
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@JamesPipper
Look at you , your so negative
Let me hear something positive .
Is having control of our oil a bad thing ? I think not .
If your going to say it's sooner than thirty years
then we better hurry up and get our Independence .
It's not all about oil I hope you know .
It's about the right to self-determination
so you better start respecting that right .
cameranzo1 1 year ago
That...was...AMAZING!
cameranzo1 1 year ago
scotland we need to wake up ! berfore we have no oil left . Thats all the english are interested in £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
MrFarmer86 1 year ago 3
@xxrazorbackxx Westminster cannot deny scotland independence
because 1.This the will of the scottish people-never has a democratic decision been over turned in the western world.
2.Scotland would be able to declare independence the the UN rights
article 1 part 1All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
wattsite 1 year ago
The people of Scotlands wishes will be respected. If most want a break up of the UK then of course the UK government and Parliament will accept this. There will be no need for external forces pressuring us, the will of the Scottish people will be implemented.
However a couple of weeks ago there was a general election. 75% of the votes from Scotland went to parties that strongly support the United Kingdom and oppose an "independent Scotland". There is no justification for a referendum right now
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper There was no justification for going in to an illegal
war in iraq-they done it anyway
James: scotland voted for the biggest party that wasn't tory because it gave them a better chance of not getting the tories. There is justification for a referendum right now people didn't vote SNP in 2007 for a laugh the polls are constitent the people of scotland want a say whether or not they are unionist or nationalist
wattsite 1 year ago
The fact remains 75% in the recent election voted for unionist parties. If they wanted independence they would have voted SNP no matter what, especially was the polls suggested a hung parliament. Also people got what they wanted, Scotland prevented there being a conservative majority government. The tories had to form a coalition with the lib dems. They won a HUGE overall majority in England.
As for 2007, the SNP won one more seat than Labour with a majority of just 48 votes.
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper No the scottish people could not have independence right now because the bill of independence would be killed off if they introduced it now.
This general election wasn't about independence it was about who can save scotland from the tories only labour could-now they can't and so with a by-election
in my constituency probably going to be very soon when gordon brown gets a job at the IMF we will see where scotlands loyalities lie.
wattsite 1 year ago
Indeed a bill on independence would be killed off because the majority of seats in the Scottish parliament are pro union. As soon as the SNP get a majority of seats / votes in the Scottish parliament or a majority of Scottish seats in the UK parliament i will respect the fact Scotland wants a referendum and it should be legally binding and accepted by the British government. Till then there is no justification for one. The SNP victory in 2007 was to punish labour not for support of independence
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper Well maybe however just by chnce the SNP are doing
a good job a governing-I can't see labour getting back in next year however
I maybe wrong yet speaking to people in my area stauch labour voters even they
are considering voting SNP.Losing 100 seats is a disgrace if labour aren't fit
to govern the UK then why should they be fit enough for scotland.
wattsite 1 year ago
I think the SNP may win the most seats again in 2011, picking up a few seats but still far short of an overall majority. I dont really like labour, but as a unionist of course id rather see them in power there than the SNP. I dont think much of the labour leader, Salmond is clearly the strongest political force in Scottish politics, that isnt enough to obtain independence though.
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper I can see labour losing seats and the lib dems
definitely will-the question however my friend is how many seats.
My neighbour Alex (a tory voter) who goes to strathclyde uni studying poltics under prof.John Curtice suggest the SNP might gain 14 seats mainly in lib-dem and labour areas they were apparently 2nd in 14 seats with a swing less than 5%.
wattsite 1 year ago
Its certainly possible they could pick up that amount, although how the coalition is doing in a years time may have an impact, it could still be popular which would weaken the punishment for the lib dems. I agree debating now wont make any difference.
But do u accept the basic point that if a majority of seats / votes go to parties that oppose a referendum on independence then they are justified in voting down the referendum bill even if the SNP win some more seats and remain in government?
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper Yes If the people of scotland vote for unionist parties
then they are justified but in turn I hope you undestand that devolvement only begets more devolvement that will eventually lead to separation that is happening all over
the uk.I personally cant see british pride and the union recovering-If it does then who knows,But if it doesnt then it is just matter of time maybe 2 years 20 years or 50 years until the final cords snap.
wattsite 1 year ago
I agree that action is needed to ensure over a long period of time the independence cause does not grow. Of course the longer it is put off the better for the union though. Alex salmond is a powerful leader, even unionists think he makes the best first minister of Scotland because the other parties leaders are pretty lacking. Once Salmond goes the new leader is going to struggle to maintain current levels of support for the snp.
JamesPipper 1 year ago
I agree that we need to reverse the decline of British patriotism, this isnt just a problem in Scotland but throughout the United Kingdom. Hell here in England we have muslims who feel more loyal to pakistan than Britain lol. Many things could be done to deal with this problem, its if the political will is there. I think labour losing to the SNP in 2007 has woken them up to the problem more, in the past they just tried to ignore it. Now they have a real reason to take action if they get back in
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper
If scotland was independent now would any one suggest a union-most likely not.
British identity was in a hospice after thatcher,its last week at the re-opening of
all the devolved parliments and getting its last rights on 6th may 2010 when scotland voted labour and england voted tory-even though they are unionist parties this puts strains on anglo-scottish relations regardless.Will it make a recovery-------------Ask yourself in all honesty and truth.
wattsite 1 year ago
I can understand why people feel proud to be Scottish, there are many reasons to take pride in such great culture. What i do not get is why that stops some people also taking pride in being British. You get even more things to take pride in without any conflict of interest because we have been working together as a United Kingdom for over 300 years.
Why do you think uve never felt or supported being British??
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper Well it was the english who threatened the scottish
MPs in 1704 to join them in a union it was appealled twice and after the threat of
invasion,bridery and economic consequencies they marginally agreed.
I refuse to call myself british when westminster limits the powers of holyrood over her own country. Working together is exagerating rather england clicks its fingers and scotland comes to heel.
wattsite 1 year ago
And that was to a parliament with no constitutional powers, but still a majority of seats and votes went to the unionist parties.
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper The lib dems got less votes than the snp but more seats.
You obviously aren't very up on scottish politics.
No Party since holyrood being reconvened has every had a parliment majority and no in british history as had a majority on their first term in office.
What the constitution has to do with it is beyond me.
wattsite 1 year ago
Libdems+Conservatives form a coalition government which far more votes than the SNP and double the number of seats. You are right in saying there has never been an overall majority in the Scottish parliament, this is why i am confident the SNP will never get one and be able to force through a referendum bill. The unionist can continue to block it, alex salmond wont be around for ever, then the SNP is screwed.
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper Well the 2 parties against 1 isn't fair.
You might be confident but Beg to differ the don't need a overall
majority they currently need only to fall short of 3 depending on
the greens and indepndents retaining their seats.
The lib-dem haven't ruled out a referendum just not now.I expect
theirvote will suffer this year.
wattsite 1 year ago
The 3 unionist parties in the Scottish parliament have 78 seats currently, the SNP just 47 so even with the greens / independent and if they pick up a few seats in 2011 they will still not have a majority to pass the bill.
It does depend on what the lib dems do. Considering they are in power at the UK level now i find it unlikely that they will back a referendum in the next parliament. They can simply say the focus must be on dealing with the debt to prevent a crisis.
JamesPipper 1 year ago
My point about the constitutional powers of the Scottish parliament is that it has none. The devolved Scottish parliament has no mandate or authority to holding referendums on constitutional matters like destroying the United Kingdom
People voted the SNP into power there to deal with things like health and education. Not reserved matters where the Scottish government has no power. People knew that the SNP couldnt destroy the UK if they got into power. Some just like the SNPs left wing policies
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper The scottish parliment has a mandate to do anything
the scottish people want whether constitutional or not, a democratic decision is
very unlikely to be offer turned. If destroying the UK is what the scottish people want then their wishes will be heard.The people never voted SNP to rule just health and that they voted them to govern all devolved matters the scottish people
have no say on what is devolved.
wattsite 1 year ago
The Scottish parliament has a right to debate any issue it wants but its powers along with the powers of the government are clearly defined. The UK government / parliament will respect the right of the Scottish parliament to decide if it wants a referendum on independence, it does not legally have to do that. The UK parliament may want to run the referendum itself, not let the Scottish government mess around with the question on such an important referendum.
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper Yes they(westminster) could but we both know
that would look like westminster undermining the scottish parliment
and be even more divisive.
We can argue until 7:00 am may 5th 2011 but it will not change the results.
wattsite 1 year ago
@JamesPipper it is very unlikely that we are going to agree so I suppose
we will just have to wait and see what the scottish public think in 2011.
wattsite 1 year ago
We can agree on that! :) You care about the Scottish parliament and that it has the ultimate say to represent the views of the Scottish people. I can understand that and as i said before if the majority of Scottish MSPs want a referendum on independence id respect that.
But in 2011 if over 60% of the seats go to parties who clearly state they oppose a referendum on independence does that not justify them blocking the SNPs referendum bill? It would clearly be the wish of the Scottish majority
JamesPipper 1 year ago
@JamesPipper .I personally uphold the sovereignty of the scottish people
that they alone with have their will and I must accept that-Yes I want independence but moreover I want the scottish people whether anti or pro indepedence to have their say not english puppet politicans to decide
for them. polls for a referendum are 70-75 % according to wikipedia.
The slump for independence is most likely caused by economic recession.
wattsite 1 year ago
Vote SNP! I know that I am underage and can't vote but if Scottish people wanna be indepent (which we do) then vote for SNP! I can still stand by my country if I really wanna. Scots rock my blue socks! Fizzy xx
spriterox4eva 1 year ago
Its coming.Dont you worry because our independance,our freedom,our say must be heard.Centuries we scots have vowed to be free.I can hear it coming.Like Wallace said "FFFRRREEEEEEEEEEDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM".Its coming.
cameranzo1 1 year ago
Scottish NOT British! Alba gu Brath. Vote Scottish National Party or Scottish Socialist Party.
evo1dee4life 2 years ago 2
@evo1dee4life Don't split the vote bobby sands taught us that.
wattsite 1 year ago
Britain forever. No to British disunion.
britishfirstandlast 2 years ago
You can still have a Britain made up of England, Wales and N. Ireland. Oh, and you can keep our Scottish born Prime Ministers. With our compliments.
We've been slaves to England for far too long. Time for independence.
nacho1560 2 years ago
Isn't it a bit unfair to say that you are slaves to a country (England) which itself is no longer self governing? England does not have a seperate parliament and it, like the rest of the U.K. is being subsumed into a European superstate. If you talk of Scottish Independence I have to ask what from?
britishfirstandlast 2 years ago
They let Meghari free but look at it this way, he needed to get hospital treatment because we couldn't let him die due to E.U regulations. Why should we pay for it? Anyway it's a micro concern cause he will be dead in buried within 6 months
seanyw89hotmailcom 2 years ago
Westminster can't decline it, it's our parliment and if the SNP get enough seats then it's nothing to do with Westminster
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The SNP love Libyan oil and muslim terrorists too.Don't forget they love SF-IRA murderers too.The SNP is the best Nazi party out there.Way to go twats.
Bronxloyalist 2 years ago
It's alright Scotland has enough oil wealth...40 years worth that brings £32 million a day to the UK economy.
seraduha1 2 years ago 3
Can you give just one or two examples, Bronx? When did the SNP pander to the IRA or side with the Nazis?
Making up stories? No? The English have always done that to keep us down.
nacho1560 2 years ago
These useless fucks let Megrahi go back to Libya. Sad, sad day for Scotland. Only good thing is that maybe this will be what gets rid of these arseholes. God bless the Union!
harleyd4vidson 2 years ago
Because they refused to be America's little bitch like Westminster forces the rest of the UK to be. It's admirable they aren't afraid to make controversial decisions under pressure. Any other party would simply have pandered to America.
And you don't honestly STILL believe Megrahi was properly responsible do you? He was a fall guy. The real people never get caught. And besides, its strange how he forced to drop his appeal by the UK government...could it be there is ahem.. TROUBLESOME evidence
seraduha1 2 years ago 2
And don't you find it a tad hypocritical that you call upon God to bless the union (the person who represents love and forgiveness ect.) and yet you become highly aggressive and insulting at allowing a dying man to return home. What difference would it have made to you had they kept him in prison. You may not like it, you're probably American given all their judicial system strives to do is PUNISH PUNISH PUNISH (how narrow-minded) but it was an admirable thing to do. So ATTICUS of them.
seraduha1 2 years ago
Money shouldn't be an issue when we vote for independance.If we were to vote no it would show that we prefer money to independance.
AndrewMc09 2 years ago 2
Agree, I would rather have a scottish passport than have a couple hundred pounds and a british one. ALBA GU BRATH
evo1dee4life 2 years ago
yah, hear hear. you all can FUCK OFF if u think scotland is better off under ANYBODY'S THUMB. you MUST be english!! FUCK YOU! we love you SCOTLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and you WILL be free
akappins 2 years ago
i wouldn't say Scotland gets all of it's money from England but it does get quite a bit from England and i also would not say Scotland will die it just might not do as well as it could.
TheKwoodsy 2 years ago
But England doesn't give Scotland any money. England is in debt to an embarrassing degree, while Scotland raises more in tax than is spent upon it. Those are the cold facts, I'm afraid.
globaltraveller 2 years ago 2
Scotland gets all its money from England. If Scotland becomes independent they'll become poor and slowly die.
MegaDoctor123 2 years ago
AYE right! Sort of like the earth is flat pigs can fly and Nuclear power is safe!Or was that meant to be Brittania rules the wave !Whatever!Scotland is moving towards Independence wether people like you like it or lump it! So away and check out if your pig can fly yet! INDEPENDENCE!!!!!
alba4232 2 years ago
dream on!
harleyd4vidson 2 years ago
I will dream on and as I dream I become more and more certain that Scotland shall be free.Kenny Mcaskills brave and wise decision has only strengthened my belief in this direction. SCOTLAND FOREVER INDEPENDENCE
alba4232 2 years ago 2
Scotland shall be Free with or without little brown turds like throwthehammer and all his scaremongering gibberish! No more rule nothing!Scotland to rule itself ............................ INDEPENDENCE NOW !
alba4232 2 years ago
by the way he rants and raves calls you all sorts of names !Then he blocks you from commenting!That is his idea of fairness!Of course that is the typical norm for little trurds like him. Saor Alba !
alba4232 2 years ago
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SNP want to turn Scotland into an overtaxed socialist republic who would be part of a European federal superstate, run by bureaucrts and Brussels, they wnat out of NATO threatening west and have made deals with the muslim community to impose Shariah law in certain areas in Scotland, This video is ridiculous misguided propaganda
Rule Britannia the best of the West
throwthehammer 2 years ago
SAOR ALBA !
alba4232 2 years ago
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2007 first preference votes
Labour 770 45.96%
SNP 449 33.24%
Conservative 678 6.53%
Solidarity 466 4.49%
Liberal Democrat 392 3.78%
Socialist 224 2.16%
Unionist 216 2.08%
Green 181 1.74%
gooners105 2 years ago
our freedom is coming
and they dont like it..they need scotland alot more than we need them and they fucking hate it.
VOTE SNP NOW!
Chris1888 3 years ago 33
Open your eyes this is our chance to stand on our own two feet and decide our own fate. No longer london will be able to devalue the scottish pound when you exchange your money aboard and tax us for our own oil the money will go stright back into scotland. We could also charge them for the water we pump down to them and start our own banks after all they made the bank of scotland crash. Vote for a brighter future.
john25m 3 years ago 16
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God Save the Queen! Fuck this lot & their attempts to break up the Union.
1888jacktheripper 3 years ago
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be free if you want Alex will still have muslims taking your country
gooners105 3 years ago
Independence is predicted within the next three years.
You are quite simply a bigoted little idiot if you believe that independence could be for the worse.
Silly un-educated little Huns!
chadstur1991 3 years ago 9
Hey Sheepshagger how is it going?
throwthehammer 2 years ago
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Bigoted? everyone come to my channel and see what this sheepshager has said about my fathers nationality
WHo the hell are you to call bigot you disgusting little cunt?
throwthehammer 2 years ago
Respect to the Nations of Scotland England and Wales
The UK is not a Nation its a pathetic farce that will be soon over
howdofolks 3 years ago 5
I'm sorry you feel that the nation that (with its allies )defeated Hitler is a farce.Perhaps we shouldn't have bothered. By the way, the nations of Scotland, England and Wales comprise Great Britain. With Northern Ireland we make The U.K.
hernhillrebel 3 years ago
THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND ARE Awakening
VOTE SNP!!!!!
8rampant4 3 years ago 8
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SNP sucks!
lyndaaaaaa 3 years ago
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Well the effect from Scottish indipendance will hit every family in Scotland with 5800 a year more tax.
(thats not including the the price of EU membership £50 billion a year which will also come out of your 'independent' Scottish pockets)
Kieronoldham 3 years ago
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the scots need do get all IRA on them english scum bags
skizzo192 3 years ago
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scottishlad independence(not independance)you sound english. SNP nanny state same as labour, soft on crime hard on smokers , drinkers etc. raise the price of alcohol for everyone before they will punish the thugs.
bocher222 3 years ago
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Glasgow East, 'traditional Labour heartland', 2008. What did the SNP say to woo a lot of the voters? 'We'll cut petrol prices', so did they sit down and work out how they'd meet those proposals and how they'd finance it? No they just pulled it out of their arse on the spot.
Kieronoldham 3 years ago
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Saor Alba!
Vote YES in 2010!
ps: whats the original song in the video?
Chapels 3 years ago
hell yea JOIN SNP NOW OR FOEVER BE LIED TO BY LABOUR!!
Chris1888 3 years ago 9
lets do it people, vote independance.
scottishlad1987 3 years ago 3
listen to mr keegan know it all
know fuk all keep your english comments to yourself kunt so sick of english cunts that think they have a say in what scottish people want
ahumanfly1975 3 years ago
Part of a nation? so you are saying England is Part of a Nation too? No way chummy! I want an Independent England
Englishjustice66 3 years ago 3
GO for it Scotland! Free England as well
Englishjustice66 3 years ago 3
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SNP scum.I hate the way the snp are targeting 18-21 year olds trying to convince them they are voting for scotland when they are voting to destroy it
JOHNT076 3 years ago
Scum? thats a tad harsh young man! Freedom is a God given right and if the Scots want it then by all means they can have it
lilyallenSux 3 years ago 9
now you are being ridiculous! Scotland are in a union of their own choosing and can leave if that is the majority will of the peoploe of Scotland! We are NOT a province but a member NATION We are not enslaved you know its called Democracy Dont Forget that!
ELONut 3 years ago 2
excuse me but the SNP are in existance for Independence THEN there would be free elections for Scottish only Parties within that structure whether it be right left or center do you really think that the snp would continue for ever in a free Scottish Parliament? they are a means to an end and they are doing rather well.
ELONut 3 years ago
We are not seperatists! we are Patriots!
Britain is merely a geographical term not a race of people We know who we are can you say the same? British? do me a favour
ELONut 3 years ago 2
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Race? theres no such thing as races you racist separatist shit-stirrer. Guess what we were before the SNPs fantasy paradise of Scotland was even invented - Britions! all living in Britannia, grow up pal
mnby5rh2 3 years ago
Racist shit stirrer eh? mmmm thats a well thought out argument you have there, if thats your vision of Britain to call people names and insult them then you can keep your rosy tinted vision mate! ALL people living in britain were Britons? i see, when exactly was this? and the SNP invented Scotland eh? nothing to to with King Kenneth MacAlpin then in the 10th century i suppose? dream on
ELONut 3 years ago 7
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err... during Roman times, if you have any understanding of history you would see that identity/nationality is a fluid thing and the point is to become inclusive NOT exclusive i.e. a united Britain within a united Europe. It called progress, dragging back an idea from the Dark Ages is not progress. Get It?
mnby5rh2 3 years ago
Wtf you on about? Scots governing their own land has nothing to do with exclusivity , Its a Democratic right of her people if they so desire. Never heard of democracy? GET IT? and as for history dont lecture me pal I am quite well read on the subject. iTS YOUR Ideals that are based in the past ie Colonialism! now go away and stop making a bloody fool of yourself
ELONut 3 years ago 7
During roman times there were many racial groups the ones you refer to as 'Britons' were Brythonic(welsh) speaking celts later to be joined by Germanic angles and saxons and in the North the Picts (origins debateable) and towards the end of the empire the Gaelic Scots from Ireland joined the mix. so for you to say that there is no such thing as race is nonesense there has never been a British race as such unless you are refering to the Brythons exclusively
Englishjustice66 3 years ago 4
OH YEA? those figure go up and down like a fidddlers elbow ,But you Brits believe every bit of shit press you hear.
Scottish first
Scottish forever
Death to the union
ELONut 3 years ago 2
Give it a rest! The SNP have every right to ask for support for their agenda what are you against Democracy? Fuck Britain This is a question for Scots! its up to us we dont need Permission from our Big Brother over the border. One of the oldest Nations in the world has every right to seek its own way again! and 30% i think your figures are wishful thinking Brit Boy
TartanTerror1314 3 years ago 2
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I can't believe how many times I have to say this but...
Scotland is not a nation
England is not a nation
Wales is not a nation
The UK is a great nation.
Its 2008 not 1308 - grow up.
mnby5rh2 3 years ago
It sure is a great nation and consisting of of four great peoples. We have had the blessing of never being ruled by the far right or far left. We have our own way of doing things.
hernhillrebel 3 years ago
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Me, me, me thats all you separatists are about. What is wrong with you? why can't you just get along with the people on the same island as you like the majority of us? bunch of racist cavemen.
mnby5rh2 3 years ago
COmpletely agree with keegan343f
United we Stand
Divided we Fall
grej16 3 years ago
Yes and we are Divided! Thats the point!
Scotland for ever, alba gu brath!
TartanTerror1314 3 years ago
At the moment we are united if the SNP have there way we will become divided. Then we will have even less of a place in the world. We are already a small country making us small er will do noone any good.
grej16 3 years ago
Unionists fear change and are Pussies
lilyallenSux 3 years ago 7
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Separatists are twisted, racist shit stirrers
mnby5rh2 3 years ago
Dont Listen to Keegan he is a fool!
RoyWoodsWig 3 years ago 6
Vote SNP. Saor Alba.
bacabu30 3 years ago 5
Isn't there a hymn to this tune?
fuerstF 3 years ago
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no stay with the UK
lyndaaaaaa 3 years ago
NO!
RoyWoodsWig 3 years ago
nvm saw it at the end of vid
VOTE SNP
Chris1888 3 years ago 5
good vid
whats the name of the 2nd song?
VOTE SNP!
Chris1888 3 years ago 3
100% Independence for SCOTLAND Now !!!
glasgow1234 3 years ago 2
please, please please all scots vote snp. I have to come on this site to make this request as there is no english national party (be racist wouldn't it). also, please take all the scottish mp's, newsreaders,etc, etc. Thanking you all in anticipation of a resounding victory for snp at the next election.
kingnichendrix 3 years ago
mate there is an english national party: Just look on google and you will find it. If you do get join them though try and encourage them to be a bit more positive: At the moment its all whining about the Scots, Welsh and N Irish a bit like the SNP began. If they could offer a way forward working in harmony with the other British nations (as we must) then they would do well I imagine.
saintee1000 3 years ago
N-O=NO
(.Y.)
pixiegnomes 3 years ago
so if Scotland was independent we could make our own decisions on were to delegate our money well for example money on trident low cost of energy due to renewable's and more money from oil in the short term to boost our economy and attract foreign investment. independence is good for Scotland yes. but not for the UK because well i haven't got room to type the reasons but anyway ZKAB go to hell you dafty
donaldalbanich 3 years ago
so why don't you all vote snp then? What oil you talking about? it belongs to the orkneys and they should have independence as well. That's your economic strategy blown to pieces, but please, please scotland, vote snp, then we english can be rid of you once and for all.
kingnichendrix 3 years ago
well no tha tor dhin a brian an cannan nasinta agoing Gealic yes we Do have our culter we do have a prospering economy we do have amazing education in some of the best unys in the world and we have the opportunity to be the world leaders of renewable energy! small nations like Denmark and the Netherlands have far better life expectance far better health far better education far better everything accept maybe bombs and army (and well that is not anything to be proud to have)
donaldalbanich 3 years ago
poor silly SNPs you think u r different from other British nations but what have u got else than Wales or England dont have? u v your culture & heritage its true but what language do u speak? almost all of u speak English so 4 me u remain British
ZkaB 3 years ago
Ever had a look at the state England is in? With an archaic 'first past the post' electoral system. A burgeoning population with a failing health service, soaring crime rates and STILL no enquiry into the london bombings despite simply massive questions about this incident. Westminster is sending british men to fight american wars based on lies, look up 9/11 on youtube. And you wonder why we want fuck all to do with your collapsing constitutional monarchy. Get real. Get educated.
thuddas 3 years ago
u r right on this we have plenty of problems in England but i love England so Scotland, Wales etc... because all these nations are part of my country i m proud 2 live in: Britain.
i do not say that Scotalnd sucks, not at all, but all nation in the UK must remain in one country. U mentioned problems, they exist but remermber that Britain is the 1st counrty 2 have created a parliamentary monarchy & has been a land of freedom.
ZkaB 3 years ago
am scottish and i dont hate england (i have english m8s aswell) but i dont trust labour, torys or lib dems. If Britain is the country of freedom then why are they so afraid to hold a referendum on independance? Surly if most scots want to remain a part of britain (as the opposing partys say)then theres nothing to worry about. i voted for the party that said the war was illegal and i dont want to remain as a brittain thats run by criminals. Britain is just becoming the 51st state of America.
Morne555 3 years ago 3
ur perfectly right neither do i trust current politics in th UK. Our country must remain the country of freedom, our history proved it several times. Like u im disgusted in the americanization of our country that war was a big crime against British people & all peoples of Britain must stay united against them. U r aware of that & i wish all Scots were like u.
ZkaB 3 years ago
The oil was disovered in the 1960s, over 250 years after you porridge muchers signed the union.
Shortly after there's a resurgence in scottish nationalis and claims of 'our' oil.
It's bollocks. It's in British water, not scottish, its a weak argument in every sense, even the scottish prime minister thinks so.
So get on that you red nosed, ginger haired, hill billy in a skirt !!!
ianh321 3 years ago
firstly it is funny that u did not reply to the bit about wat have Scotland done for Briton lol :D seems more than England have done for us. secondly the act of union was signed with out the peoples of Scotland's consent half the parliament was bribed the other half there missing ""
donaldalbanich 3 years ago
Quote ianh321 (2 months ago) "The oil was disovered in the 1960s, over 250 years after you porridge muchers signed the union.
Shortly after there's a resurgence in scottish nationalis and claims of 'our' oil.
It's bollocks. It's in British water, not scottish, its a weak argument in every sense, even the scottish prime minister thinks so.
So get on that you red nosed, ginger haired, hill billy in a skirt !!! "
THIS MUST BE THE MOST STUPID IDIOTIC COMMENT IVE EVER READ ON YOUTUBE.
akava77 3 years ago
Oh ok. ON the up are you, 'we can take care of ourselves' from My big S. Then soon as a bloody refinery strike, on the phone to gordon brown. Get a grip!
tondabone 3 years ago
Energy is currently a reserved matter for the London government, which Holyrood has no say in. Therefore as Scottish First Minister he does not have any power to do anything about energy matters, so yes unfortunately for the time being it is up to Gordon Brown. I'm guessing you are not Scottish from your posts and are probably jealous of us, otherwise why would you be so bitter and have such chip on your shoulder?
akava77 3 years ago
Oh jealous of what??? Wake up and get your head out of the clouds on top of the mountains! Its not jealousy it is a feeling of sadness that this nation is possibly on the verge of breaking up and weakening itself. And now IM including Scotland for that aspect.
tondabone 3 years ago
"This nation" - have you been on the wacky baccy tonight or something? The UK is a STATE made up of 2 nations, a principality and a province. We would all get on a lot better as independent sovereign states, I'm sure a lot of the anti-Englishness and anti-Scottishness going around nowadays would disappear overnight as soon as the obsolete UK comes to an end. If you're not Scottish, then why should you care whether we become independent or not? The final decision will be made by Scottish people.
akava77 3 years ago
Your right about that, that it is down to scottish. But its for me to say that you are only making a big mistake. Just look at Britain as a whole and tell me. When ever did it feel divided when this island stood up to the likes of napolean, Kaiser and hitler? Where was the division? Its only untill som1 miss uses your national identity to get votes and to break apart what made this country as a union strong. Yes its not in my blood, but its a feeling in my heart and in my character.
tondabone 3 years ago
"But its for me to say that you are only making a big mistake".
By saying that you have just proved my point about why we should be independent. If it's a mistake it will be OUR mistake. Nobody has any right to decide the future of Scotland, except the people of Scotland ourselves.
I would never wish to impose my own views upon anyone in England, Wales or Northern Ireland any more than those in France, Germany, Spain or Belgium. Everyone should be able to determine their own future.
akava77 3 years ago
Everyone tells me 'why do you care?' Where not british, english or whatever background from this island. But i was born here, and i have a feeling of national unity for this country and its history. For you to say its 'our mistake' proves my point perhaps a little that there is some truth in what i said. I cant change your views, its your choice. But heres a mistake that can be avoided. the leaders shouldnt bicker but find ALL ways on how to make the UK stronger. breaking up wont do that.
tondabone 3 years ago
On a practical level, Britain is stronger as one. No1 is dictated by one country, it is all mislead by those who like to twist things in order to achieve power. It wont lead you to a peacefull and prosperous Scotland. You would only be surrendering yourselves even more to those who wouldnt care to see britain fall.
tondabone 3 years ago
You are coming out with the sort of nonsense printed in the tabloid papers on the morning of the 2007 Scottish Parliament election. Trying to scare people just doesn't work. Not everything will be perfect in an independent Scotland and of course there will be challenges, but it will be much better than before. We've had to put up with being treated as second-rate citizens for decades and now at last we have a government who stands up for Scottish people, if I was you I would be pleased for us.
akava77 3 years ago
Who says your '2nd rate citizens'? Why the indifference? Is that what your own media coverage portrays? Again this indifference is whats the root of the problem. U see scotland as nd its greatness as it is today, still in unity with the nation (britain) as a whole. A scottish PM, MP's in parliament and even a lower tax rate than those imposed on many english!
tondabone 3 years ago
When i say stronger, i dont mean in just a political context. Economically and even socially, in the sense we have different and free identitys, but united as one. U think the USA would be the largest power if its states separated? California could, but for what? And dont say they are states and its different because going back in time they joined the union when they were separate on their own. and it made america strong for what it is today. So be Pleased for this outcome? Far from it.
tondabone 3 years ago
Anyway, what's so good about being large and powerful? That's exactly what leads to illegal wars and thousands of innocent civilians being killed in Iraq. Some of the most successful nations in the world are small countries like Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Switzerland, Netherlands to name a few.
akava77 3 years ago
Thats true to be side. Cant argue there with you. But the scotland with britain as you see today formed from being the power it is. You think those countries behind closed doors are trully successfull? Switzerland come on, would fall without the influence of America. Netherlands and the rest are now under the EU operation. Cant you see? Have scotland in union it identifies itself as a british union, or completly as the others followed just surrender your soverighty that you 'want' to europe?
tondabone 3 years ago
I would never dream of trying to impose any views I might have of the situation with Greece / Turkey / Northern Cyprus upon you.
So why do you try to do the same to me with your views upon the future destiny of Scotland? Perhaps if you had lived in Scotland while Margaret Thatcher systematically destroyed our industry and imposed the poll tax on us you would have some idea of what I'm talking about and why I say we were treated as 2nd rate citizens. But I don't think you ever will.
akava77 3 years ago
And there shouldnt be a northern cyprus. But that happended for the same reason im trying to tell u. I'd like to hear your views on that subject. Cyprus years ago in the wake of the collapse of the british empire rebelled. It wanted independence from britain and it got it finally. There was a great rejoice as u can imagine. But all for what? To only have nearly 40% to be taken over by Turkey? All because u wanted to sell yourself to Greece? Cyprus was left defenceless.
tondabone 3 years ago
And weakened. Under british rule at least it actually brought about development on the island and security, at a cost yes as we were never fully 'independent'. But Scotland is in with Britain. Its a part of what makes Britain as it is. The SNP are just dismantling the things that made its country great using nationalism that has been Mislead out of context. Its not all the SNP, perhaps. Its great u want to look after your own, but understand the damage on total separation could do. Cyprus 4 1
tondabone 3 years ago
I see from your profile you are a Tory supporter. They're maybe having a good night in the English council elections, but as far as Scotland goes, they're completely finished and will never get much more than about 15% who are core voters anyway.
If / when Cameron becomes PM, then that will only serve to bring Scottish independence on even faster as the people up here will find it very difficult to tolerate another Conservavtive government and even less a public school upper class buffoon.
akava77 3 years ago
I do support the conservatives yes, but not because Im a 'Tory' as such. I go by what I see is best for the country. Im not keen on david cameron to be honest. My liking for gordon brown as dropped, but still not entirely. Mainly down to his decisions over northern rock, but as a leader and chancellor he is better 4me.
tondabone 3 years ago
Thatcher i admire and not for tory reasons but her strengh and pride she had. We need a new fresh image to the scene, one that can lay down law and order and of course to maintain britains success as united and not to feel indifferent with one another that creates all this tension and talk of breaking up, which would only damage our position on a national and international status.
tondabone 3 years ago
By the way, whats on my profile thats soo Tory? LOL! Its full of sad videos like sunset beach, karl&todd and kim wilde! Which ill admit is weird, but their just my things. I suppose some can be related to it yes! By the way i happen to like you and im pleased although we differ in this subject you take an interest into having a debate... Nothing personal i hope u know?
tondabone 3 years ago
By the way, over the poll tax yes that she did was a mistake AND wrong. And not just to scotland but all over britain as well. But of course alot of industry was on its way out from all the strikes and protests from radical members in control of unions and lefty socialists. britain compared 1979 overall was more prosperous by 1990 after thatchers reforms. Scotland now stands being the 6th largest finacial centre in europe! in which the nation stands united with its ties to Britain.
tondabone 3 years ago
akava77 3 years ago 5
Ok lets put 1970's into prospect; Unemployment on the rise with inflation rocketing, industries failing in every direction due to strike, power of unions, of which led to many of britains industries loosing out to others abroad. Councill estates on the rise, subsidised by the tax payer, Crime u argue on the rise only due to those who challenged the government. Back in the 70's they humilated the government and got their way through mass demonstrations and protests.
tondabone 3 years ago
No its ok, I thought you were a bit funny at first but I guess you're all right just you got very different views to mine, I have arguments over politics with my best mate too LOL. I suppose I got to take my hat off to you, you do argue your points passionately. I'm absolutely knackered and off to bed in a soon, just listening to Ian Collins on Talk Sport, his phone in just now is about Maggie Thatcher, you should tune in, more interesting than BBC election night programme :-)
akava77 3 years ago
AM i still getting to u? LOl!!! Im soon off myself. and i dont intend on keeping u up, soo we can carry on with this if u want another time. Thanks for the tip, il see about lookin into it
tondabone 3 years ago
'No such thing as society' Good point and ill say why. We are all individuals living in one place. We all need to depend on ourselves as much as possible. do u feel responsible for those failing to work when they can? And Class division? in 1979 only 7% of the nation owned shares. By 1990 it was 25%. More home ownership gave those many homes in their own right and not subdised by the state to look after. Was not greed going on when unions demanded more? When bodies, rubbish piling up
tondabone 3 years ago
Britain, (Which includes Scotland i want to add in!) actually is a major influence on many of the countries you just mentioned. Over the oil dispute in the north, denmark claims it is on waters which makes it more theres to have. But challenge britain no chance. Scotand on its own? What do u think? Sometimes power is evil but it also maintains stability and prosperity for the nation your in that can use it.
tondabone 3 years ago
I dont ever call me a ginger haired hilly billy ina skirt. I am greek cypriot, dark hair and toned naturally. With a British feeling of national pride for all the historic countries that make this island one great one!
tondabone 3 years ago
If you read properly I was quoting another comment, I didnt say that myself. Good for you if you feel proud to be British then thats great for you, I just happen not to feel the same way. I feel Scottish and European, to be honest I don't even know what British is.
akava77 3 years ago
Being British is having pride for the country your in. Ok you have Scottish decent, that is your family background and fully respected. But British formed from Scotts, English, Welsh and make up the Island. U c urself as more european? I myself have a european decent and i dont!
tondabone 3 years ago
Whats made Scotland what it is, is the development and investment that has come out from the wealth generated across Britain. Where the hell would a country with 5 million people be in the ranks with France, Germany or USA? Sell yourselves to europe thats what! Hand over your soverighty from a parliament u ahve representation in too some where across the channel. The SNP has No competence on the Country,No compentence on the economy.
tondabone 3 years ago
donaldalbanich 3 years ago
The sooner we offload you freeloading porridge muchers the better.
The union was born out of your near bankruptcy and you've contributed little since, other than deep fried choclate, lard eating, lager drinking and a whole host of unhealthy oddities.
With the money the english and welsh save I hope we rebuild hadrians wall and stick an infantry battalion on top it to shoot on sight any ginger marauder in a skirt who has any ideas about coming south.
ianh321 3 years ago
Free loading?? in what way did you come up with that?? What do we get off you?? u give us and extra 8 billion a year we give you 30 billion in oil that is not counted. hmm would we be better of with the 8 billion substations or the 10 billion a year oil (99 dollars a barrel)
the union was born out of u bribing our MP's
and wat is good about the welsh they are poorer than us lol
you are a xenophobic twollock
numtee
donaldalbanich 3 years ago
The words of this song were written by an idiot and an SNP sympathiser.
Oil is it?
Don't any of you Jock's kid yourselves that we are as strong apart as we are together.
And don't kid yourselves that we English are any more satisfied with our corrupt politicians than you are.
Scotland The Brave !!!!
Stay in the Union. Please.
zid00001 4 years ago
Dirun1977 4 years ago
independence from scotland...yes please.
im sick of scottish scum like gordon brown,douglas alexander,des brown,et al. they are ruining england.
the scots hate us english so fuck em. lets give them independence and send all the jocks back up there. english jobs for english people.
1tyresius 4 years ago
Yep thats right right mate, the biggest reverse takeover in history, England a provice of Scotland.
XxScottishRebelxX 4 years ago
yes 10 years of scottish dominated government..... violent crime out of control, massive debt,ineptitude,iraq, corruption. thats scottish leadership for you
be careful what you wish for !
1tyresius 4 years ago