@Blue387 I would presume if someone gets injured during the test. If you recall when Saavak does the test in Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan, electronic panels exploded, and people fell in various ways... so anything from bruises, sprains and broken bones to varying degrees of burns might be very possible.
has anyone thought to make it appear as if their own vessel was adrift, but somehow secretly maneuver towards the damaged vessel, gain entree, pull all or enough of the crew they could and then hall ass out
To be honest I think there are more ways to win in this simulation. If it is design by a vulcan there must be some logic as to win or in the case of the simulation to succeed.
@Thereisalwaysmore It was designed by a Vulcan specifically to be "unwinnable". That was the entire purpose of the test. The logic was to teach a captain not to panic in a situation where they see no possible success.
This was the dumbest way to portray Kirk's triumph over that simulation. This was like overt computer game cheats rather than devious reprogramming to allow for cleaver manoeuvrings. But, I suppose it reflects "the times"
This has got to be one of my favorites scenes ever in this movie! Kirk is the best character of them all! Spock's: "I do not know." cracks me up every time! And when Uhura does a face palm is funny too!
This has got to be one of my favorites scenes ever in this movie! Kirk is the best character of them all! Spock's: "I do not know." cracks me up every time! Uhura's facepalm is funny too!
Why does McCoy say "Jim, their sheilds are still up"? You can still fire on a ship if its shields are raised- as they would be in combat. What a daft line.
@anditslikethat Well, even when World War I broke out, I would think a very large percentage of soldiers and naval officers were inexperienced. Starfleet had the luxury of Vulcan officer - Vulcans had been actve in the solar system/galaxy way before Cochrane had successfully developed warp drive for Earth. So, the Federation of Planets (I believe) was a body exising before Earth joined. I'm sure they had a number supports available to them
@workstrength Yes it is fictional, but actually the Federation was founded after Earth joined the interstellar community, ten years after the launch of the Enterprise NX-01
@workstrength "Vulcans had been actve in the solar system/galaxy way before Cochrane had successfully developed warp drive" Hell yeah you're right! The Vulcans were the one who MADE first contact after Cochrane's flight was successful!
@anditslikethat **Senior Year** Cadets serving in a ship of the line during wartime is not so ridiculous, or unprecedented. And technically they should be called Midshipmen, since StarFleet follows a Naval model, but w/e. Back in the day, West Point Cadets in their final year were informally called "Third Lieutenants" since they've had so much training already. An unofficial rank to be sure, but certain skill sets are already available if called to Active Duty.
Kirk munching an apple is his why of being arrogant...much like he was towards Khan while trapped with in the Genesis planet right before he flipped open his communicator..munching on an apple..
The original one was better with the TOS crew, the epic red alert sounds, kirk and bones all falling down, seemed real, but the new star trek and stuff is all just a fake, I am a hardcore trekkie but the new film was excruciatingly disappointing, what a load of excrement.
@CaptainJahangir99 Name one remake of a classic series that stuck to each and every 'norm' from the previous one?? The original Star Trek was done over 40 years ago! They certainly had many 'catch phrases' and common norms from the original. Check the Planet of the Apes new and old version. Maybe because you're a hardcore fan, you can't accept anything but the original. People were like that when the Next Generation started. If the presence of Nimoy made no impression I don't know what would
@CaptainJahangir99 I'll bring up a question I ask of all trekkies who hate the new one... It's good enough for Nimoy and Shatner... why isn't it good enough for you?
@CaptainJahangir99, if your as hardcore as you say you are, that means you just must have been disappointed that they didn't follow an already known time-line/event from a novel or the show...which is what this director was trying to avoid at all costs..This script was brilliant for a 2 hr Star Trek movie. It also introduced the original series to a new generation of fans, that otherwise wouldn't care
His whole point was he KNEW it was a no win situation... the testers knew it was supposed to be a no win situation... he was doing an IN YER FACE act to emphasize it. He acted in a way that he went 'beyond the normal expectations' to solve the situatio,... as a captain, that trait would be helpful in resolving problems... He wasn't a 'diplomatic' leader like Picard. But he was showing what was called 'cowboy diplomacy.'.. fitting into Roddenbury's image of 'wagon-train to the stars'.
This was the point where them movie hit the skids for me. I understood why Kirk was different, but at this point Pine went from playing a fatherless James T. Kirk to playing a poor man's Zack Morris. I half expect Tiffani Thiesen to walk in and say "Oh Zack your so sweet.". Orci and Kurtzman really fucked this franchise up.
In the non-alternate universe Kirk used another solution what I think was waay better and more "Star Trek-ish". He didn't made the klingon ships to drop their shields. He changed the klingons personality so they feared "The Captain Kirk".
I gotta say that military type of divisions are quite something to desire. What I mean by this is that this Trek shows "Bones" is actually at helm (or ops). The "prime" simply shows Bones standing on the bridge (perhaps waiting for casualties) doing nothing at the time.
@MrHoppers002 McCoy sat at a bridge position doesn't mean more than he was there to take care of anyone who was injured by the explosions they were almost assured would happen ( Wrath of Khan.) In this version, Kirk had yet to be 'acting captain' in voyage situations... or even with a crew that was his. He never heeded to have a serious composure - he was still a cadet. Uhura was young, and look at her encounter with Kirk at the bar - I wouldn't call her laughing likem that being 'snobby'.
i remember prime kirk said in a tos episode (shore leave) that when he was in the academy he was a super serious book worm. So there's a big difference between even a cadet prime kirk and cadet alternate kirk.
@MrHoppers002 yes, and in the episode with Gary Mitchell (I believe it's "where no man has gone before'). he describes Ltn Kirk with an attitude "You either think, or sink..." I think someone can be a bookworm and be a jokester too. The fact that his birth and family structure was very different, it's almost a miracle in all reality that the Kobyashi Maru happned anywhere near the same way,... but this is fiction, right?
@drlee2 they could have remade it with characters echoing the values of the 60s, but women's characters in movies made in forty years have evolved.... storytelling in general has eveolved... sci fi has eveolved. I loved the movie, and I was a Trek fan from the beginning in the 60s.
Would you have wanted say the Beatles to stop playing different kinds of music after the first six LPs? No, they expanded on what was done before. Nimoy must've thought it was okay, or he wouldn't have done it
@workstrength This Uhura is vastly different from the 60s version too much, though. The characters weren't products of the 1960s. Yeah, the show had eps that reflected the times, values, and attitudes, but not all the time. But the CHARACTERS weren't traditional 60s archetypes. They had their own distinct personalities that invited the viewer in. Uhura was spunky, but she also had class, dignity, a sense of self-worth, and that should still be there, even with this reboot.
This 2 minutes is pure class. Rest of the film pure tosh. I'm sure the inevitable sequel will be made however so maybe they'll do better 2nd time around
watch?v=FkIVxYW2_hs this is Kobayashi Maru test for Savek and Kirk talking about it from Wrath of Khan. Note he's eating an apple in both scenes., watch?v=z49bBPf7b4g
@workstrength Cool. I caught the apple eating immediately. Love the line in Wrath of Kahn "I don't like to lose." I manage 8 Sales Reps and use lines like that one all the time. Star Trek II has great material in it.
@fmscribs Remember he's just a cadet... idealistic, cocky, over-ambitious. By the time he's been captain for a while (or even by the end of the film) he has a little experience, and some leadership composure.
And lets not forget that he goes from cadet to Capt in a few days.....how ridiculous.
For years we thought how this "test" must have went down. And then these writers write it like this. Come on. It was over the top. Any other facility would known it was rigged because it was too easy. At least there should have been some tactic other than the lame one used. But then again, these writers always take the easiest way out.
While you have a point (Kirk's third simulator run, as shown in the novel 'The Kobayashi Maru ', was FAR better than this) - don't forget that if not for Kirk, Earth and most (if not ALL) of the Federation worlds would have been destroyed by Nero. Giving him his own ship is the LEAST that Starfleet Command could have done for him!
Of course, putting Spock there as his First Officer was obviously a measure by Starfleet Command to keep Kirk in line if he ever got too far out of pocket...
@cathedral107@cathedral107 great points... also, in spite of the fact they seemed destined to be enemies, they developed a respect of each other by the end of the movie.
- (SPOILER) I like the nod Spock gives Kirk as the crisis is resolved by doing something very 'illogical' by ejecting the warp coil and igniting it. I would think Spock might have resigned to the fact he seemed to be in a 'no win situation' and accepted the inevitable.
@fmscribs In the Wrath of Khan, Kirk mentions that he 'changed the conditions of the test' by reprogramming it. When Marcus says 'he cheated' Kirk doesn't argue. The demonstration portrayed here by Chris Pine is not inaccurate.
@megaplatypus It's explained later at a hearing that Kirk activated a sub-routine, and therefore has planned to beat the 'no win scenerio' in his third try at the Kobayashi Maru. I would imagine when the computers and lights flicker, that's when the new program Kirk made kicks in.
@MasterJediKyleKatarn As I recall, in the original series Kirk described his younger self as being, "absolutely grim". So it seems to me that he was a little bit more serious in the "Prime" timeline.
@megaplatypus It is no inaccurate, but it still makes the characters look...like cheating brats, in Kirk's case, like snobbish stuck up idiots, in Uhura's case, and in Bones case...well, he did pretty good.
Honestly, Karl Urban as Bones was the best. They couldn't have done better for McCoy if they Must recast.
@megaplatypus Gotta point out that this is not the same Kirk. His father was not there as a role model and he wasn't all about Star Fleet from an early age. The fundamental structure of the individual is identical, but there are some differences specifically because history is different.
@vaasnaad Exactly... peole go on and on that 'this is different', and 'we didn't have any of this...' If you want to make a complete remake, everything exactl the same, why do it at all?
@megaplatypus I'm not sure of your point... in the next scene of the movie, he's at a hearing where he's 'found out' for changing the conditions of the test.
@override367 Not necessarily. This Jim Kirk is a bit cockier and therefore more likely to get on his instructors' nerves. In the previous timeline, he had some brashness but was balanced by George Kirk being alive. He never had to deal with "Uncle Frank" and his brother Sam running out on him. This Jim, however, decided to break the rules and break them hard.
@PeachWookiee I have to agree with this assessment. Jim didn't have a great homelife in this timeline and that would affect his development. My guess is that Winona Kirk wasn't there a lot either. She was in such pain after the Kelvin that she couldn't face her sons. So Jim and Sam (aka Johnny) paid the price.
@fmscribs After Kirk gets beat up in the bar, Captain Pike tells him that it's that arrogance that is a positive thing, the trait to NOT "look before you leap" that others don't have. And he didn't cheat on the test until the THIRD time doing it, basically to prove a point. he challenges certain norms, which he continued to do so... breaking rules of non-interference kind of thing...
Why is there a medical officer on the bridge?
Blue387 6 days ago
@Blue387 I would presume if someone gets injured during the test. If you recall when Saavak does the test in Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan, electronic panels exploded, and people fell in various ways... so anything from bruises, sprains and broken bones to varying degrees of burns might be very possible.
workstrength 6 days ago
has anyone thought to make it appear as if their own vessel was adrift, but somehow secretly maneuver towards the damaged vessel, gain entree, pull all or enough of the crew they could and then hall ass out
TheBlindDyslexic 1 week ago
1:39
Pow! haha!
TheRobloxian23 1 week ago
@2711: I didn't realize it until you pointed it out. He is VERY much like DiNozzo.
Andrew8126 1 week ago
umm it was made by a half human thus no logic
halosm1th 2 weeks ago
I love the expression on Spock's face. "I do not know!" :-)
SouthTexasPrepper 2 weeks ago
@anditslikethat but it made for a more exciting and fast paced movie which it what they're going for
Stonestreamdubs 3 weeks ago
2:02 "He has an incredible power. I must obtain it." (slices Christopher Pine's head)
No joke, I said that in the theater.
SonicRyan1992 4 weeks ago
Its a simulation to train captains to accept death
sirArcticfox99 1 month ago
Not "a" Vulcan, Spock! Everyone's favorite Vulcan.
sirArcticfox99 1 month ago
ask the green girl
joe12544 1 month ago
Starfleet has asked us to rescue them..........captain..... >:D i live that line
kaltadesmon 1 month ago
To be honest I think there are more ways to win in this simulation. If it is design by a vulcan there must be some logic as to win or in the case of the simulation to succeed.
Thereisalwaysmore 1 month ago
@Thereisalwaysmore It was designed by a Vulcan specifically to be "unwinnable". That was the entire purpose of the test. The logic was to teach a captain not to panic in a situation where they see no possible success.
Nyxlave 1 month ago
@Thereisalwaysmore Yeah but there's probably too little room for error.
SonicRyan1992 4 weeks ago
Virtual enterprise LOL let the kids play in it , if you want them to forget reality, see the illustrated man , ray bradbury
pyramonitor 1 month ago
Study my ass - that's what SHE said
mininow 1 month ago
This was the dumbest way to portray Kirk's triumph over that simulation. This was like overt computer game cheats rather than devious reprogramming to allow for cleaver manoeuvrings. But, I suppose it reflects "the times"
all13Doctors 1 month ago
Does Kirk remind anyone else of Tony DiNozzo from NCIS ?
2771 1 month ago 2
Best scene and I love the movie..can't wait for the second one
FAproduction1 2 months ago 2
0:25 haha
fifaps3gaming 3 months ago
Obnoxious scene.
Sunburn2007 3 months ago
perhaps my favorite scene of the movie :)
Steph6n 3 months ago
This James T. Kirk played video games, and watched a lot of videos on YouHolodeck!
aqdrobert 4 months ago
he beat the test coz the apple gave him boosted brain endorphins
BMWM3GTRLOVER 5 months ago
douchebag.
techn0destruct0 5 months ago
1:58 - How the hell that kid beat your test?
2:01 - He is the one.
bbenjoe 5 months ago
This has got to be one of my favorites scenes ever in this movie! Kirk is the best character of them all! Spock's: "I do not know." cracks me up every time! And when Uhura does a face palm is funny too!
trekkie4life66 6 months ago
This has got to be one of my favorites scenes ever in this movie! Kirk is the best character of them all! Spock's: "I do not know." cracks me up every time! Uhura's facepalm is funny too!
trekkie4life66 6 months ago
ya know, if he at least pretended that he was really trying to do it for real. he may have gotten away with it.
Blasted2Oblivion 6 months ago
1:18
* Chris Pine used Channel Shatner!
Wrathmont313 7 months ago
@Wrathmont313
.....It's super effective!
constipatedgoldfish 6 months ago
this scene was hilarious! I love kirk's nonchalant attitude (while eating an apple).
flyforce16 7 months ago
Why does McCoy say "Jim, their sheilds are still up"? You can still fire on a ship if its shields are raised- as they would be in combat. What a daft line.
lucasisking 7 months ago
I'm gonna watch this again on blue ray and eat 14 granny smith apples doing it !
Radiumscape 8 months ago 8
not a Trekkie, but i loved the movie
KevinLuhrs 10 months ago
NEVER, EVER, EVER, SAY NO ONE, UNTIL YOU BEAT IT & WON !
IndependenceRWB 10 months ago
Are they???? LMAO
juggalosmkn420 11 months ago
Seeing that the 'Birds of Prey' didn't even have a chance to get off one phaser blast, Spock had to know Kirk cheated.
WiseGuy5674 1 year ago
Alert Medical. :)
Jericho1138 1 year ago
Klingon Warbirds ?
xsf908 1 year ago
Overall a good movie, but the whole premise of the Enterprise being handed over to cadets was ridiculous.
anditslikethat 1 year ago 13
@anditslikethat Well, even when World War I broke out, I would think a very large percentage of soldiers and naval officers were inexperienced. Starfleet had the luxury of Vulcan officer - Vulcans had been actve in the solar system/galaxy way before Cochrane had successfully developed warp drive for Earth. So, the Federation of Planets (I believe) was a body exising before Earth joined. I'm sure they had a number supports available to them
(Remember people, this is a fictional construct.)
workstrength 1 year ago 11
@workstrength
you kick butt man
JediMasterHorton 1 year ago
@workstrength Yes it is fictional, but actually the Federation was founded after Earth joined the interstellar community, ten years after the launch of the Enterprise NX-01
thegreenmanofnorwich 9 months ago
@workstrength "Vulcans had been actve in the solar system/galaxy way before Cochrane had successfully developed warp drive" Hell yeah you're right! The Vulcans were the one who MADE first contact after Cochrane's flight was successful!
TheWinMacLinTechie 9 months ago
@workstrength Which would be a valid point -- if earlier versions of this fictional construct hadn't made much more sense.
boradis 1 month ago
@anditslikethat **Senior Year** Cadets serving in a ship of the line during wartime is not so ridiculous, or unprecedented. And technically they should be called Midshipmen, since StarFleet follows a Naval model, but w/e. Back in the day, West Point Cadets in their final year were informally called "Third Lieutenants" since they've had so much training already. An unofficial rank to be sure, but certain skill sets are already available if called to Active Duty.
RingSight91 1 year ago
@anditslikethat
Yeah, this was only about a cinematic climax, following regular circumstances Kirk and the others would have been promoted to the rank of an Ensing..
teherlon 1 month ago
@anditslikethat To be fair, the crew's primarily made of cadets in The Wrath of Khan as well/
TheValeyard92 1 month ago
"I do not know"
One of the best remarks a person can say
suretobringskills 1 year ago
this is just hilarious
Xwingpilot 1 year ago
watch?v=z49bBPf7b4g
workstrength 1 year ago
1:57 - How the hell that kid could beat your test?
-He is the One!
bbenjoe 1 year ago 21
Kirk munching an apple is his why of being arrogant...much like he was towards Khan while trapped with in the Genesis planet right before he flipped open his communicator..munching on an apple..
WiseGuy5674 1 year ago
The original one was better with the TOS crew, the epic red alert sounds, kirk and bones all falling down, seemed real, but the new star trek and stuff is all just a fake, I am a hardcore trekkie but the new film was excruciatingly disappointing, what a load of excrement.
CaptainJahangir99 1 year ago
@CaptainJahangir99 Name one remake of a classic series that stuck to each and every 'norm' from the previous one?? The original Star Trek was done over 40 years ago! They certainly had many 'catch phrases' and common norms from the original. Check the Planet of the Apes new and old version. Maybe because you're a hardcore fan, you can't accept anything but the original. People were like that when the Next Generation started. If the presence of Nimoy made no impression I don't know what would
workstrength 1 year ago 2
@CaptainJahangir99 I'll bring up a question I ask of all trekkies who hate the new one... It's good enough for Nimoy and Shatner... why isn't it good enough for you?
vaasnaad 1 year ago
@CaptainJahangir99, if your as hardcore as you say you are, that means you just must have been disappointed that they didn't follow an already known time-line/event from a novel or the show...which is what this director was trying to avoid at all costs..This script was brilliant for a 2 hr Star Trek movie. It also introduced the original series to a new generation of fans, that otherwise wouldn't care
WiseGuy5674 1 year ago
His whole point was he KNEW it was a no win situation... the testers knew it was supposed to be a no win situation... he was doing an IN YER FACE act to emphasize it. He acted in a way that he went 'beyond the normal expectations' to solve the situatio,... as a captain, that trait would be helpful in resolving problems... He wasn't a 'diplomatic' leader like Picard. But he was showing what was called 'cowboy diplomacy.'.. fitting into Roddenbury's image of 'wagon-train to the stars'.
brendandawna 1 year ago
1:58 That man just called Kirk a kid where in fact, he is a BOY! What an asshole.
NGMan62 1 year ago
I need to watch his trial for Kobayashi Maru, some video with that ?
Real2Dotty 1 year ago
This Would be SO ME ! LOL
ART1975CZ 1 year ago
My favorite scene in the movie.
Linkjoy123 1 year ago
This was the point where them movie hit the skids for me. I understood why Kirk was different, but at this point Pine went from playing a fatherless James T. Kirk to playing a poor man's Zack Morris. I half expect Tiffani Thiesen to walk in and say "Oh Zack your so sweet.". Orci and Kurtzman really fucked this franchise up.
McMahonHater 1 year ago
In the non-alternate universe Kirk used another solution what I think was waay better and more "Star Trek-ish". He didn't made the klingon ships to drop their shields. He changed the klingons personality so they feared "The Captain Kirk".
gketchup777 1 year ago
Forget the situation and check this nice, shiny and sweet... apple!
bbenjoe 1 year ago
Kirk is the man Spock can't deal with... :)
bbenjoe 1 year ago
I gotta say that military type of divisions are quite something to desire. What I mean by this is that this Trek shows "Bones" is actually at helm (or ops). The "prime" simply shows Bones standing on the bridge (perhaps waiting for casualties) doing nothing at the time.
Ashenion22 1 year ago
Was Uhura always that vapid?
hafabee 1 year ago 2
@hafabee Not our beloved Nichelle Nichols. A true lady that.
Iluthra 1 year ago
prime kirk= serious, alternate kirk= more light hearted
prime mccoy- didn't know anything but medicine, alternate mccoy- knows how to fly a ship
original uhura- charming/whimsical, alternate uhura-snobby.
MrHoppers002 1 year ago
@MrHoppers002 McCoy sat at a bridge position doesn't mean more than he was there to take care of anyone who was injured by the explosions they were almost assured would happen ( Wrath of Khan.) In this version, Kirk had yet to be 'acting captain' in voyage situations... or even with a crew that was his. He never heeded to have a serious composure - he was still a cadet. Uhura was young, and look at her encounter with Kirk at the bar - I wouldn't call her laughing likem that being 'snobby'.
workstrength 1 year ago
i remember prime kirk said in a tos episode (shore leave) that when he was in the academy he was a super serious book worm. So there's a big difference between even a cadet prime kirk and cadet alternate kirk.
MrHoppers002 1 year ago
@MrHoppers002 yes, and in the episode with Gary Mitchell (I believe it's "where no man has gone before'). he describes Ltn Kirk with an attitude "You either think, or sink..." I think someone can be a bookworm and be a jokester too. The fact that his birth and family structure was very different, it's almost a miracle in all reality that the Kobyashi Maru happned anywhere near the same way,... but this is fiction, right?
workstrength 1 year ago
never said it wasn't. :)
MrHoppers002 1 year ago
@hafabee The REAL Uhura was much classier than this...This ain't Uhura!
drlee2 9 months ago
@drlee2 they could have remade it with characters echoing the values of the 60s, but women's characters in movies made in forty years have evolved.... storytelling in general has eveolved... sci fi has eveolved. I loved the movie, and I was a Trek fan from the beginning in the 60s.
Would you have wanted say the Beatles to stop playing different kinds of music after the first six LPs? No, they expanded on what was done before. Nimoy must've thought it was okay, or he wouldn't have done it
workstrength 9 months ago
@workstrength This Uhura is vastly different from the 60s version too much, though. The characters weren't products of the 1960s. Yeah, the show had eps that reflected the times, values, and attitudes, but not all the time. But the CHARACTERS weren't traditional 60s archetypes. They had their own distinct personalities that invited the viewer in. Uhura was spunky, but she also had class, dignity, a sense of self-worth, and that should still be there, even with this reboot.
drlee2 9 months ago
@drlee2 your opinion is noted... I just don't agree with it
workstrength 9 months ago
@drlee2 I think you are been hard on uhura,
09 uhura had class,self worth and dignity.
she never jumped into kirk arms like the other girls in starfleet..to me that showed class and a sense of dignity
I know most people said she came off as a snub. but can you bame her?
kirk violated her by grabing her boobs and watching her get undressed without her permission,
besides it is self worthy to turn a wominzer like kirk down........
1bulma1 9 months ago
@drlee2 I think you are been hard on uhura,
09 uhura had class,self worth and dignity.
she never jumped into kirk arms like the other girls in starfleet..to me that showed class and a sense of dignity
I know most people said she came off as a snub. but can you bame her?
kirk violated her by grabing her boobs and watching her get undressed without her permission,
besides it is self worthy to turn a wominzer like kirk down........
1bulma1 9 months ago
I'm making a text-based adventure game out of this. If anyone has any unique ideas about how to complete this... feel free to send me a message.
Taedran 1 year ago
@Taedran that is absolutely amazing! please keep me posted/will it run on a mac?
LucySkyDiamond5 1 year ago
This 2 minutes is pure class. Rest of the film pure tosh. I'm sure the inevitable sequel will be made however so maybe they'll do better 2nd time around
adamtk421 1 year ago
Uhura talks like an spoiled cheerleader in this movie
ioventrate 1 year ago 3
watch?v=FkIVxYW2_hs this is Kobayashi Maru test for Savek and Kirk talking about it from Wrath of Khan. Note he's eating an apple in both scenes., watch?v=z49bBPf7b4g
workstrength 1 year ago
@workstrength Cool. I caught the apple eating immediately. Love the line in Wrath of Kahn "I don't like to lose." I manage 8 Sales Reps and use lines like that one all the time. Star Trek II has great material in it.
sarnow76 1 year ago
This scene was so poorly done. Made Kirk look like a cheating arrogant A-hole.
fmscribs 1 year ago
@fmscribs Remember he's just a cadet... idealistic, cocky, over-ambitious. By the time he's been captain for a while (or even by the end of the film) he has a little experience, and some leadership composure.
workstrength 1 year ago 23
@workstrength
And lets not forget that he goes from cadet to Capt in a few days.....how ridiculous.
For years we thought how this "test" must have went down. And then these writers write it like this. Come on. It was over the top. Any other facility would known it was rigged because it was too easy. At least there should have been some tactic other than the lame one used. But then again, these writers always take the easiest way out.
What a shame. It could have been great.
mfscribs 1 year ago
While you have a point (Kirk's third simulator run, as shown in the novel 'The Kobayashi Maru ', was FAR better than this) - don't forget that if not for Kirk, Earth and most (if not ALL) of the Federation worlds would have been destroyed by Nero. Giving him his own ship is the LEAST that Starfleet Command could have done for him!
Of course, putting Spock there as his First Officer was obviously a measure by Starfleet Command to keep Kirk in line if he ever got too far out of pocket...
cathedral107 1 year ago 2
@cathedral107 @cathedral107 great points... also, in spite of the fact they seemed destined to be enemies, they developed a respect of each other by the end of the movie.
- (SPOILER) I like the nod Spock gives Kirk as the crisis is resolved by doing something very 'illogical' by ejecting the warp coil and igniting it. I would think Spock might have resigned to the fact he seemed to be in a 'no win situation' and accepted the inevitable.
workstrength 1 year ago
@mfscribs he was a cadet for three years
SlyGlacier 2 weeks ago
@fmscribs In the Wrath of Khan, Kirk mentions that he 'changed the conditions of the test' by reprogramming it. When Marcus says 'he cheated' Kirk doesn't argue. The demonstration portrayed here by Chris Pine is not inaccurate.
megaplatypus 1 year ago 18
@megaplatypus It's explained later at a hearing that Kirk activated a sub-routine, and therefore has planned to beat the 'no win scenerio' in his third try at the Kobayashi Maru. I would imagine when the computers and lights flicker, that's when the new program Kirk made kicks in.
workstrength 1 year ago 2
@megaplatypus Yep plus the real Kirk's beating the test was most likely not as comical the real James Kirk took things seriously.
MasterJediKyleKatarn 1 year ago
@MasterJediKyleKatarn As I recall, in the original series Kirk described his younger self as being, "absolutely grim". So it seems to me that he was a little bit more serious in the "Prime" timeline.
terrywest111 1 year ago
@megaplatypus It is no inaccurate, but it still makes the characters look...like cheating brats, in Kirk's case, like snobbish stuck up idiots, in Uhura's case, and in Bones case...well, he did pretty good.
Honestly, Karl Urban as Bones was the best. They couldn't have done better for McCoy if they Must recast.
StoneKnivesBearskins 1 year ago 2
@megaplatypus Gotta point out that this is not the same Kirk. His father was not there as a role model and he wasn't all about Star Fleet from an early age. The fundamental structure of the individual is identical, but there are some differences specifically because history is different.
vaasnaad 1 year ago
@vaasnaad Exactly... peole go on and on that 'this is different', and 'we didn't have any of this...' If you want to make a complete remake, everything exactl the same, why do it at all?
workstrength 1 year ago
@megaplatypus Spock also notes that Kirk took the test three times.
dixievfd55 1 year ago
@megaplatypus The timeline is different, and this is a different Kirk. James T. Kirk was a great man, but that was another life.
walmartpimp2 11 months ago
@megaplatypus I'm not sure of your point... in the next scene of the movie, he's at a hearing where he's 'found out' for changing the conditions of the test.
workstrength 10 months ago
@megaplatypus Except in Wrath Kirk would have had to be lying, because he said that they were impressed
override367 4 months ago
@override367 Not necessarily. This Jim Kirk is a bit cockier and therefore more likely to get on his instructors' nerves. In the previous timeline, he had some brashness but was balanced by George Kirk being alive. He never had to deal with "Uncle Frank" and his brother Sam running out on him. This Jim, however, decided to break the rules and break them hard.
PeachWookiee 4 months ago
@PeachWookiee I have to agree with this assessment. Jim didn't have a great homelife in this timeline and that would affect his development. My guess is that Winona Kirk wasn't there a lot either. She was in such pain after the Kelvin that she couldn't face her sons. So Jim and Sam (aka Johnny) paid the price.
PeachWookiee 2 months ago
@fmscribs After Kirk gets beat up in the bar, Captain Pike tells him that it's that arrogance that is a positive thing, the trait to NOT "look before you leap" that others don't have. And he didn't cheat on the test until the THIRD time doing it, basically to prove a point. he challenges certain norms, which he continued to do so... breaking rules of non-interference kind of thing...
switcherx 1 year ago 4
@fmscribs
He's a teenager. Even Kirk was an asshole when he was a teenager.
This is pretty close to canon, actually.
PelPix 1 year ago
watch?v=z49bBPf7b4g&feature=related
workstrength 1 year ago