nope mga bro. madaming pet si manny..pero ang pinaka nakaka inis ay ung pambansang anino. ang tindi ng pang amoy nun basta may camera nadun sya. panis ang pang amoy ni pacamn dog. hehehe
first you have to prove both in a court of law and a sports governing body that pacquiao took steroids. pacquiao has never had an inckiling of any steroid use let alone injections. i assume completely that you are nothing more than a
jealous latino. dont get me wrong i have latino and hispanic relatives.
but your ignorance and stupidity is quite obvious.
@uziman2 In sports it is not up to the governing body to prove an athlete is dirty, it is up to the athlete to prove he is clean.
Pac has never tested positive under NSAC, but neither did Mosley, Morrisson, Holyfield and many other known steroid users so the NSAC testing has been proven inadequate.
Pac had the opportunity to show teh world he is clean under the most thorough and comperhensive testing possible. Instead he refused and chose to fight Clottey instead.
@uziman2 So we cannot definitively say that pac is clean, we can only say he has never tested positive under testing that has been proven woefully inadequate.
In the age of rampant PED abuse in sports, your unwilligness to question an athlete who refused a randomm drug test shows that you are mindless, naive and blind.
What would you suggest Pac might be taking? Because i pretty much know for a fact that it isn't steroids. He's only gained 4.5lbs of muscle in the last 25 months and eats about 7,000 calories a day, plenty of protein shakes just to maintain the weight since he trains like a beast. If he's on steroids then they're the shittest steroids known to man, 4.5lbs of muscle in 25 months?
@GilbertSyndrome Pac went from a lean weigh-in weight of 106 lbs to 129 lbs over a 15 year period. He then went from 129 to 142 lbs in 9 months. That is 10% of his lean body mass over a 9 month period while doing all the cardio required to train for a fight.
I would suspect anti-myostatins as they are most effective in a 21 day cycles, thus teh 24 days for a cycle and a flush.
But we will never know as he refused the only test comprehensive enough to be sure.
@GilbertSyndrome It is not the last 25 months I am concerned about.
Pac fought Marquez on March 15/2008 and weighed in with a lean mass of 129 lbs. On June 28/2008 he weighed in at 134.5 for Diaz. That is 5.5 lbs of lean body mass in 3 months while training for a fight.
He then went to 142 lbs for December 06/2008 against Oscar.
That is 13 lbs or 10% body mass in 9 months. A rate 8x faster than the rest of his career.
@GilbertSyndrome It is not the last 25 months I am concerned about.
Pac fought Marquez on March 15/2008 and weighed in with a lean mass of 129 lbs. On June 28/2008 he weighed in at 134.5 for Diaz. That is 5.5 lbs of lean body mass in 3 months while training for a fight.
He then went to 142 lbs for December 06/2008 against Oscar.
That is 13 lbs or 10% body mass in 9 months.
But you are correct since then he has gained 4.5 lbs in 25 months. Whioch makes it even more suspicious
Pac rehydrated in the Marquez fight from 129lbs to 145lbs, Pac weighed in against Morales at 129lbs too, but rehydrated to 139lbs on fight night. Pac was naturally bigger than the weight he was making, it was the same when he was a flyweight and literally starved himself to make 112. When Pac fought Diaz he weighed in at 134 and rehydrated to 147, 2lbs heavier than he was for Marquez 3 months before. The DLH fight was 6 months after the Diaz bout and Pac was 148lbs.
@GilbertSyndrome I am talking about lean body mass, you do not count rehydration. You need to compare apples and apples.
Pac fans want it both ways, they want to say he did not gain weight as he is naturally bigger when he hydrates, then they want to say Pac fights bigger guys....which is it?
@GilbertSyndrome If Pac has been 145 lbs since 2005 then why did he require a catchweight for Cotto?
You show a complete lack of understanding when it comes to weight in boxing. When a boxer cuts to lean body mass for a weigh-in that is what is compared fight to fight.
@GilbertSyndrome Yeah so, I won the golden gloves and if you do not know teh difference between lean body mass and walk around weight I feel sorry for your fighters.
I gaurantee you that pac now walks around between 155-160lbs.
No, i know the difference between lean body mass and walk around weight, haha. But what you don't understand is how Manny has been making his current weight for the last 6 years, so he didn't jump from featherweight to welter, it was a gradual process, thats why i said he's only actually gained 4.5lbs in the last 25 months, because he has. He starved and sweated to make former weights, that indicates he was bigger than he needed to be, Morales was the same.
@GilbertSyndrome If a guy's lean weigh-in weight is going up you can bet his walk around weight is going up. The story about his calories to maintain his weight is nonsense and just roach talking shit.
If we believe Roach, Pac must be the only fighter in history who needs to gain weight during training camp.
It is nonsense, pac has definitely put on weight over the last few years. I can tell just by looking at him
Look at him in the ring against Morales and then against Oscar.
I didn't agree with the catchweight for the Cotto fight, especially since it was a title fight. Pac has spoken many times about how sluggish he feels above 145 even though he has done it before, he was 147 against Diaz.
Pac has been a natural 145lber since he fought Morales... He was working hard to make the weight for those fights, when he fought DLH he gained less weight overnight (6.5lbs) than he did for Morales (9.5lbs), which tells you that he was naturally bigger even back in 2005....
@GilbertSyndrome Take a look at Pac's musculature for the Marquez weigh-in and then look at him for the Oscar weigh-in 9 months later and tell me with a straight face there was no gain in lean body mass.
Again the contradiction, "he was naturally bigger even back in 2005"....and then the usual "he always fight bigger guys".
When did i say "he fights bigger guys?" haha, i didn't, so there's no contradiction there unless you're continuing a conversation you were having with someone else. I'm saying that Pac has been 145lbs for 6 years, all you have to do is look at the facts. The numbers don't lie, Pac could barely make 130 against Marquez, which is why it was his last fight at Superfeatherweight, he gained 16lbs overnight. He was 2lbs heavier than that for Diaz and 6.5lbs for DLH.
@GilbertSyndrome It does not matter, the only thing we can compare is lean weigh-in weight.
How do you know that Pac is not now walking around at 160lbs? 3 weeks before the Clottey fight, so 5 weeks into training Roach said Pac was at 150 lbs but would have no trouble making 147 lbs.
You have no idea what pac's walk around weight is. All you can compare is weigh-in weight.
And from 2005 to now, pac's weigh in weight went from 129.5 to 145.75.
Pac's not walking around at 160, he's naturally bigger but has to maintain his weight by eating a bucketload of calories per day. I heard he was taking in about 7,000 and burning 500 more than that in training!!! Thats crazy.
@GilbertSyndrome Well he was down to 150 lbs after 5 weeks of training camp for Clottey. So we know he is walking around above 150 lbs. I suspect he drops about 1 lb per week during camp so he is probably walking around at 155 lbs.
Martinez walks around at about 170-180lbs outside the ring, but that doesn't indicate anything other than he's naturally bigger than the weight he campaigns at, i fight at cruiser and weigh in at 200lbs dead on, but i walk around at about 250lbs.
@GilbertSyndrome Everyone is bigger than the weight they fight at. Why should Pac be the exception? if he is weighing in at 145 lbs then he is walking around in the mid 150's. There has definitely been a substantial weight gain over the last few years but it is more his body make-up.
Watch the Marquez fight, pac was done. Even the announcers said he was faded and rightfully so after a great career and then he finds the fountain of youth at a higher weight class?
I'm not saying he's not walking around at 150 outside the ring, but that doesn't really mean he can fight comfortably above 147. Pac has amazing fast twich fibers, thats how he stays lean, i've seen lots of kids grow like wildfire but keep their physique. So because the announcers said that Pac was faded that means he's got nothing left? I can name thousands of fighters who faded and came back. He was too big for the weight against Marquez, and i'm a Marquez fan.
Yeah, but like Morales struggled to make weight and looked like crap against Pac, Pac struggled and looked like crap against the more technically skilled JMM, that doesn't indicate foul play to me.
@GilbertSyndrome Everyone says it is because of Roach but Roach trained Pac for the first Marquez fight and almost 4 years later Pac did worse and was definitely on the way down. Then along came Ariza.
Anyway I think since Marquez, Roach has done a masterful job of protecting pac and finding face first, mummy footed fighters that suit his style.
I think Pac is not as good as his press releases and if he fights Floyd he will be exposed.
Of course i'm talking about weigh in weights, i could sweat and starve myself to 154 if i had to, i could make the weight cleanly, does that mean that i'm not a naturally bigger person? No, it means i've made the required weight. 9lbs isn't an enormous gain when you consider the fact that he gained those 9lbs in 4 years.
@GilbertSyndrome He weighed in for Marquez at 129 and for Oscar at 142 lbs. That is 13 lbs in 9 months.
You cannot compare ring weights or walk around weights because you do not know what the make up is. How much fat is he carrying, how much lean muscle. Two guys at 145 lbs are not necessarily the same.
That is why only weigh-in weights are considered when discussing a fighter's weight.
He gained about 12lbs in 9 months through weigh in's. I've never seen Pac look fat. So if i went to 154 in say, April, then i went back to 200 in November would i be on steroids? No, it'd mean i killed myself to make 154 and then naturally gained the weight i'd lost, naturally bigger people who diet and then come off the diet put the weight back on very easily, look at Hatton.
I think Pac should have just taken the test, but Floyd was being a dick asking for one, pretening he was all for a good cause, haha, yeah. There's many reasons, he's a very superstitious person for one thing, many people feel weaker after giving blood, its a natural placebo effect.
@GilbertSyndrome Pac has to give blood for Nevada and that does not seem to effect him. Seems he is only supersticious about random tests.
You also need to remember, Ropach has had at least one fighter test positive before and Roach was aware of the drug use.
I do not see what was wrong with trying to ensure that the biggest fight in history was clean. Think about it..would you take a random test for $40 million?
@GilbertSyndrome Saying he agreed to it later is not exactly correct.
Top Rank writer Michael Marley said that Arum had planned Pac/Margarito since February 2010. He said teh last thing Arum wanted in 2010 was Pac/Floyd.
He admitted that Arum lied about pac agreeing to testing and he also added that pac's comments were public relations that were ordered by Arum. Freddie Roach has also said pac's position has not changed because he was afraid Mosley might request testing.
I could starve and sweat myself to 154 easily, so say if i weighed in at 154 in april, then in november i was 200lbs again, would that mean i was on PED's? No, because i'm a naturally bigger person who has been fighting at 200 for a few years. When big people diet, and then they come off it, they usually gain the weight pretty fast, look at Hatton, Pac was killing himself to make the smaller weights, the fact that he gained so much weight overnight was proof of that.
@GilbertSyndrome Arum talked about his so-called contract but where is it?
When asked about the terms of the biggest contract in boxing history Arum could not even remember what the testing terms were to which pac supposedly agreed.
HBO refused to work on Pac/Margarito unless Arum tried to get Floyd so Arum gave us his usual media circus.
I would love to hear Greenburg's comments now that Arum has jumped to showtime.
I am a fan of Floyd, and yes i'd defend him because he hasn't been taking PEDs, haha, neither has Pac, and there's not one shred of evidence to suggest that his weight has been tampered with, all of the facts and figures indicate a fighter who was constantly growing naturally but making smaller weights.
@GilbertSyndrome I believe pas used steroids between Marquez and Oscar. However as you said there is no proof. But it is not up to any organization to prove a fighter is dirty, it is up to the athlete to prove he is clean and Pac refused.
The NSAC has not changed their testing for 15 years. The IOC spends $millions every year researching advances in drug technology and updating protocols, are they wasting their money?
Should the IOC stick their heads in the same sand as the NSAC?
Thats your opinion, i don't agree with it. You see a man who has suspiciously gained weight from viewing the results of the weigh-ins, to me, that indicates nothing because as i said, i could make a certain weight and then shoot up 40-50lbs in a short space of time, all that means is i wasn't a natural in the former weight. All the evidence i see points towards Pac being naturally bigger in general, but still training and working hard to make lower weights.
@GilbertSyndrome I think right now while the personalities are involved people wil make excuses for pac. But 20 years from now when random testing is an accepted norm and Pac and Floyd are memories, people will look back and wonder what Pac was hiding.
Its just ironic how Floyd cried "STEROIDS" when he was coming up against a real threat in Pac, i agree Pac should have taken the test but in all fairness Floyd excuse for demanding one was bullshit, in my opinion Floyd beats Manny, but in Floyds mind i don't think he's as certain.
I wish more Americans can eat like this...sadly, they take the easy route and hit the Carl's Junior or Mcdonalds
EricSchwin22 1 year ago
@EricSchwin22 hey im an american and i eat pretty damn healthy and i have healthy skin and im in great shape lmao!!!
cage000100 1 year ago
I think Chavit the leech is a lot smarter than Pacquaio.
I wonder if the leech would be dumb enough to let Bob Arum take 28% of his earnings.
Midnightrambler3760 1 year ago
nope mga bro. madaming pet si manny..pero ang pinaka nakaka inis ay ung pambansang anino. ang tindi ng pang amoy nun basta may camera nadun sya. panis ang pang amoy ni pacamn dog. hehehe
jojoel16 2 years ago
Ha HA HA, I agree 100% there bro. About Manny's Pet. Kala ko ako lang naka pansin nun. LOL. Peace!
Sh3rond06 2 years ago
Bodyguard/Adviser ni Pacman si Chavet & si Wacky. sila lang ang mga bigating Bodyguard ni Manny. Bigtime na si Manny Mabuhay ka
mar7dong 2 years ago
Pacquiao has 2 pets, Pacman the dog and Chavit the leech.... So weird to have a leech as a pet... LOL!
I think Pacquaio loves his pet dog more than his pet leech... Pacman the dog is a lot smarter than Chavit the leech... LOL
boyfling 2 years ago
At what point during the meal does pac inject the steroids? The video isn't quite clear on this topic.
Midnightrambler3760 1 year ago
@Midnightrambler3760
first you have to prove both in a court of law and a sports governing body that pacquiao took steroids. pacquiao has never had an inckiling of any steroid use let alone injections. i assume completely that you are nothing more than a
jealous latino. dont get me wrong i have latino and hispanic relatives.
but your ignorance and stupidity is quite obvious.
VAMANOS!
uziman2 1 year ago
@uziman2 In sports it is not up to the governing body to prove an athlete is dirty, it is up to the athlete to prove he is clean.
Pac has never tested positive under NSAC, but neither did Mosley, Morrisson, Holyfield and many other known steroid users so the NSAC testing has been proven inadequate.
Pac had the opportunity to show teh world he is clean under the most thorough and comperhensive testing possible. Instead he refused and chose to fight Clottey instead.
Midnightrambler3760 1 year ago
@uziman2 So we cannot definitively say that pac is clean, we can only say he has never tested positive under testing that has been proven woefully inadequate.
In the age of rampant PED abuse in sports, your unwilligness to question an athlete who refused a randomm drug test shows that you are mindless, naive and blind.
Midnightrambler3760 1 year ago
@Midnightrambler3760
What would you suggest Pac might be taking? Because i pretty much know for a fact that it isn't steroids. He's only gained 4.5lbs of muscle in the last 25 months and eats about 7,000 calories a day, plenty of protein shakes just to maintain the weight since he trains like a beast. If he's on steroids then they're the shittest steroids known to man, 4.5lbs of muscle in 25 months?
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Pac went from a lean weigh-in weight of 106 lbs to 129 lbs over a 15 year period. He then went from 129 to 142 lbs in 9 months. That is 10% of his lean body mass over a 9 month period while doing all the cardio required to train for a fight.
I would suspect anti-myostatins as they are most effective in a 21 day cycles, thus teh 24 days for a cycle and a flush.
But we will never know as he refused the only test comprehensive enough to be sure.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome It is not the last 25 months I am concerned about.
Pac fought Marquez on March 15/2008 and weighed in with a lean mass of 129 lbs. On June 28/2008 he weighed in at 134.5 for Diaz. That is 5.5 lbs of lean body mass in 3 months while training for a fight.
He then went to 142 lbs for December 06/2008 against Oscar.
That is 13 lbs or 10% body mass in 9 months. A rate 8x faster than the rest of his career.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome It is not the last 25 months I am concerned about.
Pac fought Marquez on March 15/2008 and weighed in with a lean mass of 129 lbs. On June 28/2008 he weighed in at 134.5 for Diaz. That is 5.5 lbs of lean body mass in 3 months while training for a fight.
He then went to 142 lbs for December 06/2008 against Oscar.
That is 13 lbs or 10% body mass in 9 months.
But you are correct since then he has gained 4.5 lbs in 25 months. Whioch makes it even more suspicious
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
Pac rehydrated in the Marquez fight from 129lbs to 145lbs, Pac weighed in against Morales at 129lbs too, but rehydrated to 139lbs on fight night. Pac was naturally bigger than the weight he was making, it was the same when he was a flyweight and literally starved himself to make 112. When Pac fought Diaz he weighed in at 134 and rehydrated to 147, 2lbs heavier than he was for Marquez 3 months before. The DLH fight was 6 months after the Diaz bout and Pac was 148lbs.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
13lbs in 9 months? Pac gained 9.5lbs in one night before the Morales bout....
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome I am talking about lean body mass, you do not count rehydration. You need to compare apples and apples.
Pac fans want it both ways, they want to say he did not gain weight as he is naturally bigger when he hydrates, then they want to say Pac fights bigger guys....which is it?
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
I'm talking lean body mass, Pac has been 145lbs since 2005. Don't you understand what i'm saying, i'm not just talking about rehydration.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome If Pac has been 145 lbs since 2005 then why did he require a catchweight for Cotto?
You show a complete lack of understanding when it comes to weight in boxing. When a boxer cuts to lean body mass for a weigh-in that is what is compared fight to fight.
And pac's lean body mass jumped 10% in 9 months.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
I show a lack of understanding when it comes to weight? I'm a boxing trainer mate, would you like to see my credentials?
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Yeah so, I won the golden gloves and if you do not know teh difference between lean body mass and walk around weight I feel sorry for your fighters.
I gaurantee you that pac now walks around between 155-160lbs.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
No, i know the difference between lean body mass and walk around weight, haha. But what you don't understand is how Manny has been making his current weight for the last 6 years, so he didn't jump from featherweight to welter, it was a gradual process, thats why i said he's only actually gained 4.5lbs in the last 25 months, because he has. He starved and sweated to make former weights, that indicates he was bigger than he needed to be, Morales was the same.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome If a guy's lean weigh-in weight is going up you can bet his walk around weight is going up. The story about his calories to maintain his weight is nonsense and just roach talking shit.
If we believe Roach, Pac must be the only fighter in history who needs to gain weight during training camp.
It is nonsense, pac has definitely put on weight over the last few years. I can tell just by looking at him
Look at him in the ring against Morales and then against Oscar.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
I didn't agree with the catchweight for the Cotto fight, especially since it was a title fight. Pac has spoken many times about how sluggish he feels above 145 even though he has done it before, he was 147 against Diaz.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Lean body mass is your weigh-in weight.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome So for the first 14 years of his career Pac averaged an increase in lean mass of 0.14 lbs per month.
Then suddenly over a 9 month period has average gain in lean mass was 1.44 lbs per month.
Since then over 25 months Pac is back to 0.18 lbs per month.
So why over a 16 year career did Pac average basically 0.16 lbs per month except for a 9 month period when it was 8x higher at 1.44 lbs per month?
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
Pac has been a natural 145lber since he fought Morales... He was working hard to make the weight for those fights, when he fought DLH he gained less weight overnight (6.5lbs) than he did for Morales (9.5lbs), which tells you that he was naturally bigger even back in 2005....
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Take a look at Pac's musculature for the Marquez weigh-in and then look at him for the Oscar weigh-in 9 months later and tell me with a straight face there was no gain in lean body mass.
Again the contradiction, "he was naturally bigger even back in 2005"....and then the usual "he always fight bigger guys".
Which is it?
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
When did i say "he fights bigger guys?" haha, i didn't, so there's no contradiction there unless you're continuing a conversation you were having with someone else. I'm saying that Pac has been 145lbs for 6 years, all you have to do is look at the facts. The numbers don't lie, Pac could barely make 130 against Marquez, which is why it was his last fight at Superfeatherweight, he gained 16lbs overnight. He was 2lbs heavier than that for Diaz and 6.5lbs for DLH.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome It does not matter, the only thing we can compare is lean weigh-in weight.
How do you know that Pac is not now walking around at 160lbs? 3 weeks before the Clottey fight, so 5 weeks into training Roach said Pac was at 150 lbs but would have no trouble making 147 lbs.
You have no idea what pac's walk around weight is. All you can compare is weigh-in weight.
And from 2005 to now, pac's weigh in weight went from 129.5 to 145.75.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
Pac's not walking around at 160, he's naturally bigger but has to maintain his weight by eating a bucketload of calories per day. I heard he was taking in about 7,000 and burning 500 more than that in training!!! Thats crazy.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Well he was down to 150 lbs after 5 weeks of training camp for Clottey. So we know he is walking around above 150 lbs. I suspect he drops about 1 lb per week during camp so he is probably walking around at 155 lbs.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
Martinez walks around at about 170-180lbs outside the ring, but that doesn't indicate anything other than he's naturally bigger than the weight he campaigns at, i fight at cruiser and weigh in at 200lbs dead on, but i walk around at about 250lbs.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Everyone is bigger than the weight they fight at. Why should Pac be the exception? if he is weighing in at 145 lbs then he is walking around in the mid 150's. There has definitely been a substantial weight gain over the last few years but it is more his body make-up.
Watch the Marquez fight, pac was done. Even the announcers said he was faded and rightfully so after a great career and then he finds the fountain of youth at a higher weight class?
seriously?
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
I'm not saying he's not walking around at 150 outside the ring, but that doesn't really mean he can fight comfortably above 147. Pac has amazing fast twich fibers, thats how he stays lean, i've seen lots of kids grow like wildfire but keep their physique. So because the announcers said that Pac was faded that means he's got nothing left? I can name thousands of fighters who faded and came back. He was too big for the weight against Marquez, and i'm a Marquez fan.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome I think the Marquez fight was more than that.
To me Pac looked tired and slow and confused. Then along comes Ariza and pac find the fountain of youth.
I don't buy it.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
Yeah, but like Morales struggled to make weight and looked like crap against Pac, Pac struggled and looked like crap against the more technically skilled JMM, that doesn't indicate foul play to me.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Everyone says it is because of Roach but Roach trained Pac for the first Marquez fight and almost 4 years later Pac did worse and was definitely on the way down. Then along came Ariza.
Anyway I think since Marquez, Roach has done a masterful job of protecting pac and finding face first, mummy footed fighters that suit his style.
I think Pac is not as good as his press releases and if he fights Floyd he will be exposed.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
Pac was 139 for Morales and 148 for Oscar, so he was bigger, yeah, he had to be though. Thats on;ly a 9lb difference.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Only 9 pounds? For a Junior lightweight that is an enormous gain.
But again you are looking at ring weights and not weigh in weights.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
Of course i'm talking about weigh in weights, i could sweat and starve myself to 154 if i had to, i could make the weight cleanly, does that mean that i'm not a naturally bigger person? No, it means i've made the required weight. 9lbs isn't an enormous gain when you consider the fact that he gained those 9lbs in 4 years.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome He weighed in for Marquez at 129 and for Oscar at 142 lbs. That is 13 lbs in 9 months.
You cannot compare ring weights or walk around weights because you do not know what the make up is. How much fat is he carrying, how much lean muscle. Two guys at 145 lbs are not necessarily the same.
That is why only weigh-in weights are considered when discussing a fighter's weight.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
He gained about 12lbs in 9 months through weigh in's. I've never seen Pac look fat. So if i went to 154 in say, April, then i went back to 200 in November would i be on steroids? No, it'd mean i killed myself to make 154 and then naturally gained the weight i'd lost, naturally bigger people who diet and then come off the diet put the weight back on very easily, look at Hatton.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome So let me ask...if you believe Pac is a bigger guy and is not using steroids, why would he refuse a random test?
If he was not avoiding a test was he avoiding Floyd?
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
I think Pac should have just taken the test, but Floyd was being a dick asking for one, pretening he was all for a good cause, haha, yeah. There's many reasons, he's a very superstitious person for one thing, many people feel weaker after giving blood, its a natural placebo effect.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Pac has to give blood for Nevada and that does not seem to effect him. Seems he is only supersticious about random tests.
You also need to remember, Ropach has had at least one fighter test positive before and Roach was aware of the drug use.
I do not see what was wrong with trying to ensure that the biggest fight in history was clean. Think about it..would you take a random test for $40 million?
I would give a kidney!
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
Like i said, he should have taken the test, but he did agree to it later.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Saying he agreed to it later is not exactly correct.
Top Rank writer Michael Marley said that Arum had planned Pac/Margarito since February 2010. He said teh last thing Arum wanted in 2010 was Pac/Floyd.
He admitted that Arum lied about pac agreeing to testing and he also added that pac's comments were public relations that were ordered by Arum. Freddie Roach has also said pac's position has not changed because he was afraid Mosley might request testing.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
I could starve and sweat myself to 154 easily, so say if i weighed in at 154 in april, then in november i was 200lbs again, would that mean i was on PED's? No, because i'm a naturally bigger person who has been fighting at 200 for a few years. When big people diet, and then they come off it, they usually gain the weight pretty fast, look at Hatton, Pac was killing himself to make the smaller weights, the fact that he gained so much weight overnight was proof of that.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome Arum talked about his so-called contract but where is it?
When asked about the terms of the biggest contract in boxing history Arum could not even remember what the testing terms were to which pac supposedly agreed.
HBO refused to work on Pac/Margarito unless Arum tried to get Floyd so Arum gave us his usual media circus.
I would love to hear Greenburg's comments now that Arum has jumped to showtime.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome It is unfortunate that peopel have let the personalities of the fighters cloud their judgement.
I wonder if it was pac who demanded random testing and Floyd refused would pac fans be defending Floyd?
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
I am a fan of Floyd, and yes i'd defend him because he hasn't been taking PEDs, haha, neither has Pac, and there's not one shred of evidence to suggest that his weight has been tampered with, all of the facts and figures indicate a fighter who was constantly growing naturally but making smaller weights.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome I believe pas used steroids between Marquez and Oscar. However as you said there is no proof. But it is not up to any organization to prove a fighter is dirty, it is up to the athlete to prove he is clean and Pac refused.
The NSAC has not changed their testing for 15 years. The IOC spends $millions every year researching advances in drug technology and updating protocols, are they wasting their money?
Should the IOC stick their heads in the same sand as the NSAC?
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
Thats your opinion, i don't agree with it. You see a man who has suspiciously gained weight from viewing the results of the weigh-ins, to me, that indicates nothing because as i said, i could make a certain weight and then shoot up 40-50lbs in a short space of time, all that means is i wasn't a natural in the former weight. All the evidence i see points towards Pac being naturally bigger in general, but still training and working hard to make lower weights.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@GilbertSyndrome I think right now while the personalities are involved people wil make excuses for pac. But 20 years from now when random testing is an accepted norm and Pac and Floyd are memories, people will look back and wonder what Pac was hiding.
I think history will judge pac's refusal harshly.
Midnightrambler3760 10 months ago
@Midnightrambler3760
Its just ironic how Floyd cried "STEROIDS" when he was coming up against a real threat in Pac, i agree Pac should have taken the test but in all fairness Floyd excuse for demanding one was bullshit, in my opinion Floyd beats Manny, but in Floyds mind i don't think he's as certain.
GilbertSyndrome 10 months ago
@uziman2 Just answer one simple question:
If pac had demanded testing and it was Floyd who refused, would you be defending Floyd?
I rest my case.
Midnightrambler3760 1 year ago