Schmidt-Gaden's 1972 recording of the Weihnachtsoratorium with the Tölzer forces remains my favorite ... He shows the same marvelous touch here. If this is part of a complete recording I would love to see the whole thing!
@jpstenino - the most exact term would be "covered parallel fifths". I thank you for mentioning "Mozart parallel fifth" as I have never heard that term used before. You learn something new every day! But I will stick with "covered" because Bach was clever enough to disguise the parallelism by switching parts, and the editor was also helpful, inserting a page turn between the two "offending" intervals! I think the edition was Edition Peters, but I am not sure.
Ich finde, dass es deutlcih zu schnell ist!! Wenn ich mir einen Herrscher vorstelle, dann sehe ich diesen Schreiten! Hier würde er aber in meiner Vorstellung davon rasen! Also finde ich dass das Tempo verfehlt ist und dies NICHTS mit einem Herrscher des Himmels zu tun hat! Sorry! Schade, denn von der Qualität her finde ich den Dirigenten, das Orchester und den Chor sont eigentlich gut!
Bei dem Barokischen Stil darf man nicht das Interval fünfte(in diesem Fall zwischen Sopran und Alt Noten) zweimal in der Reihe (also, parallel) komponieren. Klar?
@maestrovoci das ding heißt quintparallele und ist ein nicht erlaubtes mittel nicht nur in der barock zeit und so neben bei ersten bezweifle ich stark das bach dies allgemein je gemacht hätte und ich hab nach geguckt an der on dir beschriebenen stelle ist nichts derartiges zu finden und guck vorher mal die definition bei wikipedia an bevor du dich rechtfertigen willst
For Baroque geeks like myself, listen at exactly 1:31 and you will hear Bach committing a "sin" because he writes a covered parallel fifth! The publisher seems to have wanted us not to notice it because it is published with the first interval as the last note on one page and the second the first note on the top of the next page (so it is hidden). I had a choirboy jump out of his seat and shout "Bach can't do that!" when he first encountered the covered fifth!
"covered fifth" also...interessant..NUR: was soll denn bitte das sein..?? Scheinbar ja was echt Dramatisches, wenn das sogar Chorjungs von den Stühlen katapultiert...
Near 1:31, the tenors are holding a pedal point, the basses are silent, the sopranos and altos are singing in parallel 3rds, and the 1st and 2nd violins merely accompany.
On the BG score at IMSLP, give the page, measure(s) and voices
where you find these "covered 5ths".
Hidden 5ths (not "covered 5ths") and 8ves are not unusual in music in 4 or more parts. You find many examples in Bach's 4-part chorales. They are NOT forbidden.
@maestrovoci is it a Mozart parallel fifth? I am preparing some demonstrations and either way this would be a lovely example. ( I do not have the score with me at this time)
I am thrilled and amazed when encountering students like your choirboy who can hear inner voicing to that extent. Those are wonderful moments.
Schmidt-Gaden's 1972 recording of the Weihnachtsoratorium with the Tölzer forces remains my favorite ... He shows the same marvelous touch here. If this is part of a complete recording I would love to see the whole thing!
tervito 2 months ago
This is the Hogwarts Choir. Potter shows his talent at 1:15.
mauriciovaler 5 months ago
@mauriciovaler hahahaha XD good eye
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32matildajones32 9 months ago 5
The 'mit Psalmen erhöht in 0:54, is heavenly. My fav rendition by far.
Marsyke 10 months ago
This needs to swing
josefk64 1 year ago
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jpstenino 1 year ago
@jpstenino - the most exact term would be "covered parallel fifths". I thank you for mentioning "Mozart parallel fifth" as I have never heard that term used before. You learn something new every day! But I will stick with "covered" because Bach was clever enough to disguise the parallelism by switching parts, and the editor was also helpful, inserting a page turn between the two "offending" intervals! I think the edition was Edition Peters, but I am not sure.
maestrovoci 1 year ago
@maestrovoci Thank you for your reply. " Mozart parallel fifth" is a term I picked up from Dr. Norman Del Mar in his work ANATOMY OF THE ORCHESTRA
to describe Mozart moving consecutive fifths by a semitone
(he often included the GERMAN AUGMENTED SIXTH CHORD) .
That set me off on a search for examples which is proving to be much fun.
Thanks again.
jpstenino 1 year ago
Nice performance.
8) the first trumpet player is Peter Lohse :) He plays first trumpet at the Semperoper in Dresden.
Chrisy299 1 year ago
more powerful than the other one that I´ve heard-
good accentuation!
FallaciesDetective 1 year ago
A delightful video! Thank you, Jairdan!
CanadaPisces 2 years ago
Ich finde, dass es deutlcih zu schnell ist!! Wenn ich mir einen Herrscher vorstelle, dann sehe ich diesen Schreiten! Hier würde er aber in meiner Vorstellung davon rasen! Also finde ich dass das Tempo verfehlt ist und dies NICHTS mit einem Herrscher des Himmels zu tun hat! Sorry! Schade, denn von der Qualität her finde ich den Dirigenten, das Orchester und den Chor sont eigentlich gut!
beryl9993 2 years ago
ich finds herrlich!!!!!!!!!!!
studentinberlin 1 year ago
Einfach genial.
syn4ptix 2 years ago
Der Dirigent ist voll Feuer und Flamme! Sowas sieht man selten, so eine Freude! Schön!
studentinberlin 2 years ago 2
Das ist doch ein fröhliches Lied zu Weihnachten!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
studentinberlin 2 years ago
Suuuperr !
Erreicht nahezu den Kreuzchor unter Mauersberger sowie den Thomanerchor unter Rotzsch.
222mozart 2 years ago
@222mozart :D ;)
Chrisy299 1 year ago
Bravo ! c'est top !
pepitaprats 2 years ago
excelente interpretacion
javierpe9103 2 years ago 2
Absolute beauty of Bach and Tölzer Knabenchor
kleinbittersdorf 3 years ago 4
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ich frag mich ja immer wie man jemanden so schlagen kann, dass der so schreit.
gibt sehr viel bessere...
stagemichi 3 years ago
That's a really good performance. When we sang it with my choir, I (soprano) was always so out of breath after 0:28-0:40.
Chocolateluvr1987 3 years ago
Bei dem Barokischen Stil darf man nicht das Interval fünfte(in diesem Fall zwischen Sopran und Alt Noten) zweimal in der Reihe (also, parallel) komponieren. Klar?
maestrovoci 3 years ago 2
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Where? I can't find it in the score. They are only singing in third. Where is the fifth?
albertklassik 2 years ago
@albertklassik
You can't find it because it isn't there.
You correctly observed that the sopranos and altos are singing in parallel 3rds.
There are no parallel 5ths hidden, "covered" or otherwise.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@maestrovoci das ding heißt quintparallele und ist ein nicht erlaubtes mittel nicht nur in der barock zeit und so neben bei ersten bezweifle ich stark das bach dies allgemein je gemacht hätte und ich hab nach geguckt an der on dir beschriebenen stelle ist nichts derartiges zu finden und guck vorher mal die definition bei wikipedia an bevor du dich rechtfertigen willst
Musicmuffins 2 years ago
stimmt ! in English: a covered parallel fifth.
maestrovoci 2 years ago
For Baroque geeks like myself, listen at exactly 1:31 and you will hear Bach committing a "sin" because he writes a covered parallel fifth! The publisher seems to have wanted us not to notice it because it is published with the first interval as the last note on one page and the second the first note on the top of the next page (so it is hidden). I had a choirboy jump out of his seat and shout "Bach can't do that!" when he first encountered the covered fifth!
maestrovoci 3 years ago 11
Das ist mir jetzt aber zu "hoch", "Meister der Stimme"...:)
wskfan 3 years ago
"covered fifth" also...interessant..NUR: was soll denn bitte das sein..?? Scheinbar ja was echt Dramatisches, wenn das sogar Chorjungs von den Stühlen katapultiert...
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@maestrovoci
What covered 5ths?
Near 1:31, the tenors are holding a pedal point, the basses are silent, the sopranos and altos are singing in parallel 3rds, and the 1st and 2nd violins merely accompany.
On the BG score at IMSLP, give the page, measure(s) and voices
where you find these "covered 5ths".
Hidden 5ths (not "covered 5ths") and 8ves are not unusual in music in 4 or more parts. You find many examples in Bach's 4-part chorales. They are NOT forbidden.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago 2
@maestrovoci is it a Mozart parallel fifth? I am preparing some demonstrations and either way this would be a lovely example. ( I do not have the score with me at this time)
I am thrilled and amazed when encountering students like your choirboy who can hear inner voicing to that extent. Those are wonderful moments.
thank you
jpstenino 1 year ago
Perfekt!!
Anna100l 3 years ago
Nos acerca a Dios.Gran interpretación.
debartzen 3 years ago
ja die haben es ein bisschen drauf....
GROßARTIG....
bramscherjunge 3 years ago
Wonderful!!! Lovely performance,solemn,majestic and devotional.Thanks for sharing!
WolfgangSebastien 3 years ago
This is fucking great!
Aleksi6969 4 years ago
When was it recorded?
Noone0611 4 years ago 2
What an Excellent performance!!!Congrats to the Conductor and the choir!!!!!!!BRAVO!!!!!!
8011255198086 4 years ago 3
Looks like about 1990 or 1991, judging by a few recognizable choristers.
maestrovoci 4 years ago 2
Great video, young professor GSG directing !
Dietrich Bednarz already grown-up singing !
laughne 4 years ago 3
Fantastico. (I agree on the video cutting. A mess.) ...George...
lga4all 4 years ago 5
It is a hysterical kcameracutting...
Zerlina12 4 years ago 4
Beautifull singing. Too bad the engineer cutting in and out the cameras didn't have a clue what was happening.
VivaYoungTalent 4 years ago 3