Ok, if you are interested, I need only point out three things: 1. Tibetan has never been the major ethnics of Qinghai, before 1949, it was a muslim-ruled province of republic of China. 2. 94% of Chinese is Han, now the number is only just a little more than 90%. 3. Tibetan need not pay the money for second child.
oh yeah, they can have 2 children instead f 1 if they can pay tha fee which they can not. numerous accounts from women who have been forcible sterilised. free hospital care sucks big time as it r many western organisations who aid them.
i do not give a fucking moment bout winning but more bout truth. and that is something i don't see in many nationalistic vids, neither chinese as those fucking extremists
Calm down, do not only pay attention to political news. Tibetans have more previledges than other 55 nationalities of Chinese. It is your right to describe China as the "ghost", but this will not help you. Remember, if you abuse the "credity", you will lose the "MORAL ADVANTAGE". And, that is your only tool.
We should be friend, not enemy. You only want to win, so you cite all the documents that support you, that is not wise.
valfore95, are you tibetan? what I suggest you is to be "open mind". If you only read the materials of your side, you will become more and more emotional, sad and angry. And, you will live in the "hatred".
i got my news from relatives in tibet, i read not only cnn but al jazeera as well. u want 2 say all papers round tha world lie including muslim al jazeera & cctv not?
i do not live in hatred call it pity. pity for ur brainwashed mind
Two points: first. 6,330,567 is the number of all population in Tibet, Qinghai and kham in 1959, not only tibentan. In 1949 You should know this. Remember, even dalai lama don't use this number now.
second: those childslaves truly exist in several places of Shanxi and Guangdong, everybody knows this. But it is "illegal" in China, and the people have been put into prision. This is the difference.
tha number from tibetan population back in 1959 was on TIBETAN mostly since there were few chinese.
i don't give a fucking care who uses this number, all i care = that this document was stolen from chinese state bureau.
until now there's still childslavery. i don;t give a fucking thing about thatbut don't point 2 tibet being slaved while ccp slaves it own citizens/children as slaves and peasants.
D)China claims that Dalai-Lama want to separate China - that's lie, cause Tibet didn't has effective army last 200 years! Buddhists are too peaceful. In modern time Tibet can't be just independent, it needs external protection! All they want from China - to stop oppression and wide autonomy.
E)XIV Dalai-Lama was born in a RURAL family and became monarch by his 5 years. Tibet political system wasn't oppressive, people lived in peace with no riots. Monks were relatives of usual people.
A)Chinese always compare life level in Tibet 1950 with modern. But it's incorrect. CORRECT IS compare life level TIBET 1950 with CHINA 1950 they are quite comparable.
B)China claims that 95% of Tibetans were in slavery. As we know that needs a MASSIVE force for oppression. But Tibetan army was only 8000 people, total population of Tibet was around 6 million people.
So for 1 soldier there were approx. 712 slaves. They must be SUPERSOLDIERS!!
C)Chinese claim that they possess Tibet for 'thousands years' and Tibet was free from them only for 39 years 1911-1950. So China has to share responsibility for Tibetans 'poverty' and 'slavery'. Why they don't? They are RESPONSIBLE for tibet's situation then.
Fact is that Tibet actually conquered parts of China. Reason for Mao to invade was for territory, power, resources and envy for HHDL
You have to learn more history before you put on these words. Remember, the apparent lies will hurt the credity of all your words.
For instance, 6 million are the number of 21 century, not 1950. Furthermore, only half of the tibetans were under the rule of dalai lama. So, all your calculation is nonsense.
1.According to a secret Chinese military document, the PLA crushed 996 rebellions in Kanlho, Amdo, over the period 1952-58, killing over 10,000 Tibetans. [Work Report of the 11th PLA Division, 1952-1958] Similarly, the population of another Amdo area of Golok had its population reduced from about 130,000 in 1956 to about 60,000 in 1963.[China Spring, June 1986
3.According to China' s State Statistical Bureau the Tibetan population In November 1959 stood at 6,330,567. With now a figure of 5.4 millions as current population. If you are telling me your figure of Tibetan population is correct, then we have a serious genocide situation in Tibet (not just a cultural genocide). THIS IS Genocide
shit, you son of bitch, knows nothing but spread those lies. Do you have conscience? if you have time, check some academic books and wiki, what a shame!
Then u should accuse China's State Statistical Bureau. Also 4 being so stupied 4 letting some documents be stolen by tha Khampa when PLA invaded Tibet. Truth, about this westerner telling his lies hurts (bet he's been spewed on in eastern europe 4 siding with communism) , ain't it. That guy, unlike me & my family has
1) not been born in Tibet &
2) never been there (my friend fled approx 1 1/2 yr ago) &
3) knows not much about real Tibetan culture. They had wrongs but not slaves
10) Happy faces of Tibetans starting work under new regime -- could be just Chinese actors, but this scene really made in Tibet. Fur-cap on the head of cowboy is not in Tibetan style.
11) Happy pictures of modern China -- show only Chinese(!) people in Tibet, girls in national dresses (but dresses are Chinese!). Bikers, children in musical school -- are Chinese (their clothes)!
9) On more mistake: He says in 1950 China liberated Tibet and send Dalai-Lama in India, in 1959 all privileges of monks were abolished. The fact: Dalai-Lama leaved Tibet in 1959 a one week AFTER all this privileges were abolished, because Chinese was going to imprison him. A slight mistake? Not for man pretending to talk like a professional historian.
5)In times of Mao there was many propaganda-historical movies about old China (not Tibet), this film contains parts of them.
6)Narrator doesn't say that he is a historian, he mentioned some international awards for his films 'Mysterious China'. His name is pretty American and film-studio named Hollywood. Why so bad accent? 7) Some of the photos may be made in China in regions of national minorities like Uyghur (near Tiber but in historical China).
8) He talks emotionally about European oppression of China for 1 minute, stop -- the movie is about Tibet am I right? He talks about Indian annexation a part of Chinese Himalaya, where were Tibetan indigenous religion 'Bon' holy places. Chinese Himalayas with Tibetan religion? That much worse lie than I thought initially.
3) In the movie we see cows. You know in many regions of Tibet night temperatures below zero celsium even in summer, so water get frozen. Cows on the movie could be in Tibet, that was a part of Mao's agricultural reform -- the main cause of hunger in Tibet in 1959-1979(!). Cows died quickly in mountains. I say that until 1980 life level in Tibet was LOWER and much worse then in 1950!!!
4)Scene when rich man is sitting on the horse using the back of his slave - appeared to me as play movie - not documental. It may be a part of communist films about old China as many photos in this film. Cause there wasn't too many films about Tibet. Europeans filmed culture and monasteries not scenes like getting sit on the horse or usual homework.
Narrator says: population of Tibet is 3 million people. That's lie.
Tibet was divided on two pieces: ATR and Eastern Tibet. Their total population equals 6 million people. Narrator says about only ATR. Person of narrator -- he filmed a historical and cultural films about China.
Need to see his films -- isn't it a propaganda? Remember producer of his film is Monarex -- Chinese.
u are right except for the confution thing im chinese and i hate confusis
terrychan88880 2 years ago
dude chinese should just do something
terrychan88880 2 years ago
Politics is dirty, what we can do is to identify the truth. So, please be calm and neutral, that is the only way to solve the conflicts.
pisazhang 2 years ago
ofcourse i cite all tha fucking reports supporting me cause they show tha fucking truth.
u know fucking ccp broke simla, 17 point articles, uncat & art 4 and 35 chinese constitution?
do i need 2 post this on this fucking vid?
Valfore95 2 years ago
Ok, if you are interested, I need only point out three things: 1. Tibetan has never been the major ethnics of Qinghai, before 1949, it was a muslim-ruled province of republic of China. 2. 94% of Chinese is Han, now the number is only just a little more than 90%. 3. Tibetan need not pay the money for second child.
pisazhang 2 years ago
oh yeah, they can have 2 children instead f 1 if they can pay tha fee which they can not. numerous accounts from women who have been forcible sterilised. free hospital care sucks big time as it r many western organisations who aid them.
i do not give a fucking moment bout winning but more bout truth. and that is something i don't see in many nationalistic vids, neither chinese as those fucking extremists
Valfore95 2 years ago
Calm down, do not only pay attention to political news. Tibetans have more previledges than other 55 nationalities of Chinese. It is your right to describe China as the "ghost", but this will not help you. Remember, if you abuse the "credity", you will lose the "MORAL ADVANTAGE". And, that is your only tool.
We should be friend, not enemy. You only want to win, so you cite all the documents that support you, that is not wise.
pisazhang 2 years ago
valfore95, are you tibetan? what I suggest you is to be "open mind". If you only read the materials of your side, you will become more and more emotional, sad and angry. And, you will live in the "hatred".
pisazhang 2 years ago
i got my news from relatives in tibet, i read not only cnn but al jazeera as well. u want 2 say all papers round tha world lie including muslim al jazeera & cctv not?
i do not live in hatred call it pity. pity for ur brainwashed mind
Valfore95 2 years ago
oh, and when telling about slaves, just google or search here for the following; CHINESE CHILDSLAVES/DYING ROOMS.
Never say 1 freed tibet from slaves while still having themselves in the 21st cenury.
And Wiki can be altered by any idiot who can write. I'll ask my 5 yr old niece to edit some things. lmfao
Valfore95 2 years ago
Two points: first. 6,330,567 is the number of all population in Tibet, Qinghai and kham in 1959, not only tibentan. In 1949 You should know this. Remember, even dalai lama don't use this number now.
second: those childslaves truly exist in several places of Shanxi and Guangdong, everybody knows this. But it is "illegal" in China, and the people have been put into prision. This is the difference.
pisazhang 2 years ago
tha number from tibetan population back in 1959 was on TIBETAN mostly since there were few chinese.
i don't give a fucking care who uses this number, all i care = that this document was stolen from chinese state bureau.
until now there's still childslavery. i don;t give a fucking thing about thatbut don't point 2 tibet being slaved while ccp slaves it own citizens/children as slaves and peasants.
Valfore95 2 years ago
The Myth of Tibet Genocide by Terminator, please read it
pisazhang 2 years ago
D)China claims that Dalai-Lama want to separate China - that's lie, cause Tibet didn't has effective army last 200 years! Buddhists are too peaceful. In modern time Tibet can't be just independent, it needs external protection! All they want from China - to stop oppression and wide autonomy.
E)XIV Dalai-Lama was born in a RURAL family and became monarch by his 5 years. Tibet political system wasn't oppressive, people lived in peace with no riots. Monks were relatives of usual people.
Valfore95 2 years ago
A)Chinese always compare life level in Tibet 1950 with modern. But it's incorrect. CORRECT IS compare life level TIBET 1950 with CHINA 1950 they are quite comparable.
B)China claims that 95% of Tibetans were in slavery. As we know that needs a MASSIVE force for oppression. But Tibetan army was only 8000 people, total population of Tibet was around 6 million people.
So for 1 soldier there were approx. 712 slaves. They must be SUPERSOLDIERS!!
Valfore95 2 years ago
C)Chinese claim that they possess Tibet for 'thousands years' and Tibet was free from them only for 39 years 1911-1950. So China has to share responsibility for Tibetans 'poverty' and 'slavery'. Why they don't? They are RESPONSIBLE for tibet's situation then.
Fact is that Tibet actually conquered parts of China. Reason for Mao to invade was for territory, power, resources and envy for HHDL
Valfore95 2 years ago
You have to learn more history before you put on these words. Remember, the apparent lies will hurt the credity of all your words.
For instance, 6 million are the number of 21 century, not 1950. Furthermore, only half of the tibetans were under the rule of dalai lama. So, all your calculation is nonsense.
pisazhang 2 years ago
Copied;
1.According to a secret Chinese military document, the PLA crushed 996 rebellions in Kanlho, Amdo, over the period 1952-58, killing over 10,000 Tibetans. [Work Report of the 11th PLA Division, 1952-1958] Similarly, the population of another Amdo area of Golok had its population reduced from about 130,000 in 1956 to about 60,000 in 1963.[China Spring, June 1986
Valfore95 2 years ago
copied
3.According to China' s State Statistical Bureau the Tibetan population In November 1959 stood at 6,330,567. With now a figure of 5.4 millions as current population. If you are telling me your figure of Tibetan population is correct, then we have a serious genocide situation in Tibet (not just a cultural genocide). THIS IS Genocide
Valfore95 2 years ago
21 century number of tibetan population consist about half from it being han(chinese) colonists.
my info =correct.
Valfore95 2 years ago
shit, you son of bitch, knows nothing but spread those lies. Do you have conscience? if you have time, check some academic books and wiki, what a shame!
pisazhang 2 years ago
Then u should accuse China's State Statistical Bureau. Also 4 being so stupied 4 letting some documents be stolen by tha Khampa when PLA invaded Tibet. Truth, about this westerner telling his lies hurts (bet he's been spewed on in eastern europe 4 siding with communism) , ain't it. That guy, unlike me & my family has
1) not been born in Tibet &
2) never been there (my friend fled approx 1 1/2 yr ago) &
3) knows not much about real Tibetan culture. They had wrongs but not slaves
Valfore95 2 years ago
10) Happy faces of Tibetans starting work under new regime -- could be just Chinese actors, but this scene really made in Tibet. Fur-cap on the head of cowboy is not in Tibetan style.
11) Happy pictures of modern China -- show only Chinese(!) people in Tibet, girls in national dresses (but dresses are Chinese!). Bikers, children in musical school -- are Chinese (their clothes)!
Valfore95 2 years ago
9) On more mistake: He says in 1950 China liberated Tibet and send Dalai-Lama in India, in 1959 all privileges of monks were abolished. The fact: Dalai-Lama leaved Tibet in 1959 a one week AFTER all this privileges were abolished, because Chinese was going to imprison him. A slight mistake? Not for man pretending to talk like a professional historian.
Valfore95 2 years ago
5)In times of Mao there was many propaganda-historical movies about old China (not Tibet), this film contains parts of them.
6)Narrator doesn't say that he is a historian, he mentioned some international awards for his films 'Mysterious China'. His name is pretty American and film-studio named Hollywood. Why so bad accent? 7) Some of the photos may be made in China in regions of national minorities like Uyghur (near Tiber but in historical China).
Valfore95 2 years ago
8) He talks emotionally about European oppression of China for 1 minute, stop -- the movie is about Tibet am I right? He talks about Indian annexation a part of Chinese Himalaya, where were Tibetan indigenous religion 'Bon' holy places. Chinese Himalayas with Tibetan religion? That much worse lie than I thought initially.
Valfore95 2 years ago
2)His speaking is not perfect -- what nationality he is? Eastern Europe?
Talk about Chinese dynasties. There is a film -- 'Is Chinese claim on Tibet valid?'
There are maps of China there and all talks about thousands years Tibet was under China is lie, Only 118 years totally. In 4000 history of Tibet.
Valfore95 2 years ago
3) In the movie we see cows. You know in many regions of Tibet night temperatures below zero celsium even in summer, so water get frozen. Cows on the movie could be in Tibet, that was a part of Mao's agricultural reform -- the main cause of hunger in Tibet in 1959-1979(!). Cows died quickly in mountains. I say that until 1980 life level in Tibet was LOWER and much worse then in 1950!!!
Valfore95 2 years ago
4)Scene when rich man is sitting on the horse using the back of his slave - appeared to me as play movie - not documental. It may be a part of communist films about old China as many photos in this film. Cause there wasn't too many films about Tibet. Europeans filmed culture and monasteries not scenes like getting sit on the horse or usual homework.
Valfore95 2 years ago
Narrator says: population of Tibet is 3 million people. That's lie.
Tibet was divided on two pieces: ATR and Eastern Tibet. Their total population equals 6 million people. Narrator says about only ATR. Person of narrator -- he filmed a historical and cultural films about China.
Need to see his films -- isn't it a propaganda? Remember producer of his film is Monarex -- Chinese.
Valfore95 2 years ago