0123 #04 "Austronesian, Welcome Home"

[goblingrocks]

do they invite malaysians and indonesians too?

[goblingrocks]

i love this!

[gorrillamosh]

Taiwan is not really the Austronesian homeland. This language is so diverse and very old, natives of Taiwan even say that they come from the south. A common misconception is that the aetas ( negritos of the Philippines) learned this language from Taiwanese migrants. But aetas are very isolated people they did not adopt other cultures except theirs. How did they learn this language ? What was their language before (no record) ? or maybe they were Austronesians since time immemorial.

[gorrillamosh]

@gorrillamosh- people shouldn't use physical traits to suggest who's austronesian and who's not. Melanesians (negroid) & Malays (mongoloid) share a common ancestor. Some austronesians are in between these two, somehow a split happened a long time ago nobody knew when. Some researchers suggest that the biblical story of the brothers Cane & Abel originates in S.E. Asia, & has something to do with these two groups of people. They're called Kulabob & Manup, unlike the bible nobody died in the story.

[asyo22]

i believe the island taiwan is belong to these aborigine peoples(my brothers and sisters)... chaing ky shek fled to this island to set their goverment and bring some of chinese supporters( because they are opposed mao tse tsung's communism)...

[asyo22]

they also wear like traditional dress of igorot and mandaya tribes of philippines

[xenon817]

We are all came in a same races... Hello my LOng lost cousin... I'm from Philippines and I'm proud to be one of our races..

[aldomovielovers]

i lived in the biggest autronesian country ... Indonesia . we share with our melanesian brother ....

[allikohcysp]

@NirinaGasikara please don't let some racist poly get to you. I'm Samoan and proud of our Austronesian links. Don't let some other idiot like nesianunity(ironic name) turn your anger towards the whole of my people. We are distant relatives, lets all be proud :)

[thotsins]

So called "Austronesian Welcome Home" LOL!

Only problem is, Taiwan isn't their home.

Western term, western theory. LOL!

Political propaganda.

[thotsins]

This is a joke, Taiwanese know good and well their traditions say the aborigines traveled to Taiwan from the southern pacific islands, not that they traveled to the pacific islands from Taiwan. The migration was from the islands upward into Taiwan, not from Taiwan downward into the pacific.

More western brainwashing, as usual. LOL!

[bl00dston3]

It's pronounced Austronesian, not Astronesian.

[thotsins]

@NirinaGasikara We made Lapa out of a traditional Bark cloth first by stripping bark from chencha tree & beating it with mallets until it got soft. Then we moved on to weaving fabric and made Lapas out of Fabric as well. In my tribe—and most Africans—we have a long tradition of how our ancestors started fabric making to wear Lapa, & we have no record of getting it nor the different ways of tying it from anywhere else but our own brains. It's such a BASIC cultural practice in Africa.

[thotsins]

The way you can tell where the influence of Lapa comes from is this way: If you brought Lapa from Asia and influenced us in the interior of Africa to wear it, Lapa would be found in all Asia, but it's not a fundamental part of asian culture, meaning it's not found throughout the WHOLE Asian continent, its mainly only found in s.e. asia where there was lots of mixing from many peoples as a result of trade. However, Lapa is and always has been found throughout the WHOLE African continent.

[thotsins]

@NirinaGasikara Hon, Im from Africa, and what you call "Lambauany" we call

"Lapa" "Rapa" "Kanga" and MANY other names. The various ways of tying Lapa dress has always been such a basic, fundamental part of our culture not just in Sawahi (Swahili) peoples but beyond into all Africa. I'm all the way in equatorial/west Africa, and throughout Africa, we have no record of getting the wearing of Lapa from anywhere else. It's such a basic cultural practice that all Africans have ALWAYS worn Lapa.

[jusitke07]

@Tawalisi,

I saw your comment. You may have deleted it, but I saw it anyway in my comment mailbox. But you're wrong, Manny Pacquiao is not "Polynesian"

[asyo22]

at 0:29, girl name sounds funny to our language(filipino-cebuano)..PA­TAGAW TALIMALAW, ..TAGAW in our local dialect is IGNORANT plus adverb PA its like "GOING TO BE IGNORANT"..TALIMALAW sonds like HALIMAW(monster)..peace ^^

[nesianunity]

use south east asains dont no nothing about the pacific race.. uno y use dont no, its cause ur not polynesian or not any other race from the pacific islands.. gosh use are annoying..use remind of pathetic little flies buzzing around u and not pissing off (weak, pathetic culture stealing/claiming maggot shits use are). b proud of being south east asain if not prey that in ur after life u are born a poly or other pacific race. shame on use insecure bastards.

[nesianunity]

who ever is trying to conect south east asian to pacific islanders microz melaz and polys is like comparing a leboneez to a south american lmao.... aww i find all this trying to b sumin ur not very amusing.. do u see leboneez acting as if there vatos locos ae? hahhaa no cause there leboneez there own proud race not like some other races cough cough cough (south east asians ) aka indoz filoz ect

[esuroi]

Oh I don't think so nesianunity. I'd have to agree with jusitke07. Lebanese and South American tribes have no Linguistic similarities, mitochondrial DNA links, and archaelogical evidence that point the people of the Pacific Islands towards South East Asian Islands.

[mixedpapii]

I totally agree with KariteGurl06 . Whats up with the Austronesians and Asians claiming descent for everyone. News flash! not everyone came from SEA lmao. Im Hawaiian and do NOT consider myself to be ASIAN OR South East Asian. Im Hawaiian, or if that simply isnt good enough then Im Polynesian lol. We are own people. Polynesians share common ancestors so dont try to categorize us if you aint Poly yourself.

[MarcoDelux]

Haha yes but that's totally not the point of this video. The whole point was to show that they all share a common ancestral line, and that the peopling of the South East Asia and the South Pacific was through Austronesian descendants. I also want to explain to those who discredit being an Austronesian, is that in certain circumstances you are not Austronesian. Particularly because Austronesian is not an ethnicity to begin with it's basically a word which means "South Sea Islanders"

[jusitke07]

It's totally to the point. However you're right, Austronesia groups together peoples with similar languages, mitochondrial DNA links, and archaelogical evidence that ties Austronesians altogether.

[jusitke07]

this video is awesome and truth-telling too

[KariteGurl06]

Umm thanks, I never thought of it that way...

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

JUSTLIKE07 mate aka the cum that should of been in ur mothers mouth!! u gotah realize that cultures evolve.. look all humanbeings are the same we all bleed for fuk sake.... y are u trying to carteogrize this certain culture (pacific islanders)? is it cause the culture is unusual? or is it one of those ones like (u wana b a frend wit sumin popular) yer thats mah cuzin we related wen ur not, but in this case it involves culture?

[jusitke07]

wannabeezlikbolbo said:

"im sorry jusitke07 but no pacific islander wll use the term austronesian lmao"

would you discount the Pacific Islanders in this video who actually acknowledge being Austronesians?

[MarcoDelux]

but they're descendants of Austronesians. But have formed their own culture through migration. This does not make them Austronesian but it makes them the descendants of Austronesians. Just like Lebanese people are descedants of Phoenicians or Italians descendants of Etruscans and Romans. All these cultural groups have became their own and they're related through a common ancestor but they do not use these terms to define who they're because they have formed their own culture through time.

[jusitke07]

You're right, but the overall general definition of a person of Lebanese descent is "Middle Eastern'. An overall general definition of a person from France or Lithuania would be a European. And ditto for someone from Samoa or Timor would be an Austronesian.

[MarcoDelux]

You are speaking in geographical terms right? So that would make people of Austronesian descent Asian?

Like I said, these terms are only used through historical perspective to describe those who were the original navigators of each migration. As with the term Austronesian, it is only really used today to describe the history the peopling of South East Asia and the South Pacific. It is not a general term used to describe them presently, because of the fact that they have their own culture today

[jusitke07]

Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Pakistanis, Korean, Mongolian, Nepal, Tibet, Afghanistanis, etc, are classified as Asians. Samoans, Indonesians, Palauans, Hawaiians, Madagascarians, Easter Islanders, Tonga, Niue, Cook Islands, Marshall Islands, Kiribati, etc, are all a classified under....Austronesians.

[KatiushaVN4]

jusitke07:

Since when Indians, Pakistanis, Nepal, Afghans are classified as Asian huh dumbass?

[jusitke07]

KatiushaVN$, look it up and educate yourself....dumbass. Austronesian pride baby.

[KatiushaVN4]

jusike07:

You are Austronesian, not me

[jusitke07]

KatiushaVN4, you have the freedom to imagine what you think you are, but the entire university around the world, especially in the US, knows for a fact that you're an....Austronesian.

[nesianunity]

the only people who will be repping that austronesian (not a ethnicity budy but a language grouping, its like saying england and france) pride is goin to b u and ur south east asain 1abee pacific islanders lol.. shame on u man.. ur jus goin to make urself a target to the melanesians polynesians and the micronesian pacific islanders lol.

[nesianunity]

go to australia or nz and say that lol the samoan gangs would stab u for even trying to associate sea with polys or any other pacific race. a sea guy got stabed for sayin he was poly lol shame man

[nesianunity]

what dont u get man? by comparing a pacific islander to a sea is like comparing a rectangle to a square lmao.. plain and simple lol.. or like ummm i saw this coment b4 oh yer comparing a GORILA TO A LIL CHIMPANZEE LMAO hahahahah.. tk tk tk tk tk u will learn the hard way by geting koko nut smashings lol

[jusitke07]

"yer comparing a GORILA TO A LIL CHIMPANZEE LMAO hahahahah.."

Tell me something nesianunity, ever saw a Pacific Islander person win in any of current Olympic medals? Or how about any Pacific Islanders win any strongest man in the world competition? Or how about any Pacific Islander contributing any engineering success that would benefit societal woes? Yeah, I don't think so. If you want to see tall and big people go to Denmark, Nigeria, Sudan, Sweden which is been scientifically proven.

[nesianunity]

u talk soo much shit mate.. ever seen the rugby? ever seen boxing or kik boxing mate list goes on u lil 2inch doodle head lmao... heaps of pacific islanders have ggained medals in all types of sports i can tell u heaps... fuk ur a lil random bitch.. i rekn ill get a medal for knockin ur ass out lol pwhahhahahaa weak lil shit... u speak so much shit well mayb cause ur shit lmao tk tk tk fuk buddy u need alife s

[jusitke07]

"...ever seen the rugby? ever seen boxing or kik boxing mate..."

Tell what Rugby team that consist mainly of Oceanic Austronesians that won a world title? Give me one of the so called "polynesian" that won a boxing or a kick boxing world champion match. Just one.

[allikohcysp]

@jusitke07 k1 champ- Mark Hunt. First non european to win it. And I apologise for nesianunity's stupid comments. Obviously an uneducated islander.

[jusitke07]

@allikohcysp Mark Hunt? That name sure doesn't sound so Austronesian to me...

[allikohcysp]

@jusitke07 did I say his name was Austronesian? LOL. Anyways he is a proud Samoan so if his name does not satisfy you then that's your problem

[jusitke07]

@allikohcysp With a last name that is not of Austronesian descent, he must be half Caucasian.

[KariteGurl06]

I am only going to acknowledge what I am today, because I truly do not know what happened in the past, so many theories, whether proven or not, is just not relevant to me. Until Polynesia is named Austronesia, I am sticking to what I am known today, Polynesian. If you're not Polynesian, then why care what we should be labelled? If you have a problem please contact the people that decided to place this misnomer on us, that is still being used to identify us as a cultural group. Peace and I'm out.

[jusitke07]

"Until Polynesia is named Austronesia, I am sticking to what I am known today, Polynesian"...okay Austronesian, have a good one.

[PhratzBoi]

Why are you being such a fag about it? honestly have some respect for other people. Personlly I think the reason why she is defending her culture, is because it has developed much further to what it was 3000 years ago. It had become its own, and yes their may have been influences but that doesn't deny the fact that their are some Polynesian cultural aspects that were formed on its own such as kava ceremonys. You don't have to be such a dick about it, the sarcasm is not helping either.

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

god u are a fukin wanabee culture stealing/claiming/categorizing lil piece of maggot shit that should of been the cum in ur mothers mouth!!! fuk ur a WANK... believe me no pacific islander will use that term we all rep our countries or our territiories mela,poly or micro not austronesia!!

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

ur trying to build sum sort of unity between south east asian and pacific islander? god ur a fukin dreamer thats like trying to unify middle eastern people and south americans lmao.. i cant get over this shit!!! also the term austronesia will never b used in the world to categorize pacific islander and south east asian region as the same. ur a fuk head if u do believe soo lol..

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

jusitke07 mate if u believe soo much in what u want all people of the pacific to do, which is lay down there cultural names melanesian,polynesian and micronesian and use the term austronesian then u should make a youtube video of urself making those announcements .. if not go fuk urself

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

jusitke07 i wish u had the balls to put urself on you tube and state to the pacific islander especialy the polynesians and say that there not polynesian but austronesian!! and say that there no diffferent from indonesians/malaysians/filopin­oz please i will hav great respect for u if u do that. atm i wana smash ur fukin face in cause u talk so much shit

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

and lmao i told many of my samoan/tongan frends aka the polynesians not austronesian about this incident about use trying to claim them.. they laughed.. jus like many other islanders of the pacific wil laugh lmao.. i cant believe im seeing this shit about trying to categorize other cultures wen ur not of that culture..

[ChicKenFreeK]

ok just addin my 2cents to this but i think its pointless to argue on the net about where a group of people come from. i mean facts are, if you are still being called a polynesian today by people in society, then your frickkin polynesian.

but understand that the term austronesian does define you with other neighbouring countries as a collective group, so speaking from a historical perspective your descendants were Austronesian. does that make sense. good! end of discussion xD

[KariteGurl06]

Exactly! amen...

[jusitke07]

And amen to you for at the very least acknowledging were the so called "Polynesians" come from....South East Asia.

[KariteGurl06]

Oh my god, you're an idiot jusitke. I'm know not even going to bother to debate with you, only because you are trying to outdo other people. This is not a competition, so stop being such an ignorant prick. I never denied the fact that we came from South East Asia, but purpose on here is trying to humiliate other people, which makes you look like an arrogant person, who truly has no respect for other people. I value Polynesian culture, as this is the culture I have been told I am apart of.

[jusitke07]

You are entitled to your opinions, and i respect your freedom of speech. But let me ask you this:

wannabeezlikbolbo said:

"im sorry jusitke07 but no pacific islander will use the term austronesian lmao"

Would you discount the Pacific Islanders in this video who actually acknowledge that they are Austronesians?

[MrRtop00]

Look at the point of this video....Despite differences between austronesians, the indegenious taiwan people showed hospatility towards them.

[MrRtop00]

So many good points....yeah but stop with the debates already...cuz you guyz are trashin this site...

[PhratzBoi]

rofl yea mate i agree! and they're fighting over nothing... polynesian, austronesian, humanesian does it really matter? We are all human at the end of the day and we all migrated from somewhere. Just be proud of what you are known as today. Thats what my parents taught me.

[PhratzBoi]

*hope you don't mind me interferring in this little debate* but you are arguing about something that cannot be changed. Even if you are labelled as an Austronesian you will always be known originally as a Polynesian, hence the misnomer word commonly used to define your people in Polynesia. Does it really matter what you are? I think you should be asking where Austronesians come from because I would like to know that too. Even though I'm not austronesian the culture always fascinates me! =)

[jusitke07]

Ah, you may think it is, but the fact remains, and times are changing. Austronesian is the new term from the old term Malayo-Polynesian

[KariteGurl06]

thank you phratzboi and I will stop replying now. i know im polynesian and if I know im polynesian and nothing will change the fact that I have been all my life then there is no need for me to further discuss this. I'm not going to elaborate any further on something that has already be refuted over for many years. so many theories about where we come from I'm just going to stick to what I am known as today, a proud Polynesian. choohoo!!!

[allikohcysp]

@KariteGurl06 I'm a proud Samoan, proud Australian, proud Austronesian, proud supporter of the Melbourn storm, proud Victorian. It's just a name and a lable. No need to get angry over names. If I was aboriginal or American indian I would be proud of that too. All I know is I'm proud of who I am and I seek the truth to see how far back I can trace my people. And if I am connected to Austronesia then I'm proud of that too. Unite, don't segregate.

[jusitke07]

"...I know that technically my people are a part of the austronesian branch..."

Good, thank you for acknowleding that. I have to get to bed. I'll chat with you tomorrow. Good night, my fellow Austronesian.

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

all i can say is that ur a wanker!! u cant categorize other cultures. as a outside culture looking in ill never consider polynesian a austronesians or any other island of the pacific.. and mate i can tell ur insecure wit ur own race.

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

im sorry jusitke07 but no pacific islander will use the term austronesian lmao!! if u wana use that term then alsweet gee all i can say is good for u lmao.. pacific islanders will either rep whether there mela poly or micronesian thats as far as it goes not austronesian lmao.. geez u crak me up... lok if u want pacific island in u jus bend over for me ok and ill giv u sum lol

[jusitke07]

"im sorry jusitke07 but no pacific islander will use the term austronesian lmao"....wait a second, so are you discounting the Pacific islanders in this video who do acknowled the term "Austronesia"...???

[jusitke07]

This from National Geographic News dated Jan. 17, 2008 titled: POLYNESIANS DESCENDED FROM TAIWANESE, OTHER EAST ASIANS.

"Jonathan Friedlaender and colleagues found that the two modern-day groups show little genetic relation to the indigenous peoples of Near Oceania. The finding supports theories that Polynesians instead descended from East Asians and aboriginal Taiwanese who apparently raced through the region..."

[KariteGurl06]

please site your resources, send me it by messaging me. I don't want you to tell me what's written I want to see it for myself!

[jusitke07]

I did cite my sources of info.... look at it again. This what happens when you're in denial, you don't tend to read the truth.

[KariteGurl06]

its not cited i want a site leading to the information of so called 'truth'. You can keep saying we are denying who we are but at the end of the day people still know us as Polynesians... the same goes for Filipinos in america who refuse to acknowledge they're Asian. haha. My ancestors in their own right have been able to establish the culture in which we preserve which has come to be known as the culture of Polynesia, the culture which I am proud of.

[jusitke07]

I don't know where you got your assumptions that Filipinos who refuse to be Asians, because I guess they are known as South East Asians. But that's besides the point, did I not mention "National Geographics" in my citation? Or how about the (dot) gov part?

[KariteGurl06]

yes but can you provide me the links, it would be much easier for me to find the whole document, and the site you gave me again does not work. and yes all over youtube there are Filipinos refusing to acknowledge their Asian heritage, and Im using that as an example of the same situation Polynesians are being put in. We will always be known as Polynesian, but in technical terms we fall under the Austronesian branch. I don't understand you because I know we are related just not directly.

[jusitke07]

What? You know of the fact that Austronesians are related "just not directly"....didn't you read your statement before you posted it? That doesn't make any sense at all

[KariteGurl06]

it does make sense, please re-read. I'm talking about genetic lineage.

[PhratzBoi]

well i do agree with justike that genetically speaking you are of austronesian heritage but i agree on your behalf that your people have respectfully deserved enough hardship and rights to be considered 'culturally' your own people. if this wasn't the case you would be groupped with other South East Asian people. but please don't be ashamed to acknowledge your austronesian roots.

[KariteGurl06]

I'm not ashamed, I already said I acknowledge a connection, but yes I will always be known as Polynesian and yes I know that technically my people are a part of the austronesian branch, but that doesn't take away the fact that we are what we are today and people still ackowledge us as being Polynesian. I am proud, but I am also proud of what my ancestors had culturally developed for my people and I.

[allikohcysp]

@KariteGurl06 here's an idea. Instead of looking up shit from your home all the way in America, travel to these Austronesian speaking countries and see the truth for yourself.

[jusitke07]

To get directly to that info:

samoa (dot) usembassy (dot) gov (slash) samoa (underscore) history.

Obviously, for some strange reason, I can't type the actual website address, so I did it by spelling it out. Anyway, go look for yourself.

[KariteGurl06]

the site doesn't work. could you possibly give another academic site, one which has been recommended by a college or university? much appreciated.

[jusitke07]

Oh it works, try again. Besides, you cant get much more academic and official when you see (dot) gov at the end of it. But nonetheless, I'd be happy to oblige ya.

[KariteGurl06]

You keep saying we are denying what we are, but in the first place why are people trying to classify what we should be defined as? believe me 5000 years is long enough for us to be able to claim that we are no longer exactly the same as our neighbouring cousins. We as a culture, deserve to keep our own traditions and customs, and its only you who is claiming that we are going to soon be called Austronesian by everyone else... pftt... I wonder when that will ever happen lmao

[jusitke07]

Poohaha. You have got to be kidding me when you claim 5,000 years, it's more like 2,000 years according to valid websites I cited my sources of info from. And again, two thousand years is a drop in the bucket compared to the Indonesians who's been there over 500,000 years ago.

[KariteGurl06]

Even so, both would be considered misnomers, so that would just leave it up to individuals to call themselves what they are depending on what country they are from right? So if I'm from the Cook Islands I would just say I'm a Cook Islander not an Austronesian or Polynesian? But even the term Cook Islander is a misnomer right? seeing as we are named after the man who travelled and explored the island we live on? It's so complex, that every term used presently to describe us are misnomers...

[jusitke07]

Oh that's not where I'm going with trying to name each individual islands of the "nesians" (Indonesians, Micronesians, & Polynesians), I'm just stating the fact that overall in general, it's Austronesians. BTW, I wonder....since the country of Indonesia is a bunch of Islands, do you consider them "Islanders" too?

[KariteGurl06]

yes but its a scientific term to group us culturally, its not a term people would walk around and say. I'm proud to be Polynesian, and I know technically the Polynesian branch falls under the Austronesian branch, but the fact that we have been our own culture, customs, beliefs and traditions, gives us the right to be identified as Polynesians, which is how the rest of the world sees us. I'm not dneying the fact we were of the same kin, but that was thousands of years ago, we have moved on...

[jusitke07]

"I'm not dneying the fact we were of the same kin, but that was thousands of years ago, we have moved on... "

Thousands of years? How about less than 5000 years ago that Samoa has been inhabited by seafarers from South East Asia....compared to 50,000 of South East Asians emigrating from the Asian mainland. Trust me, 5,000 years is a drop in a bucket, which solidifies genetic ties, cultural ties, and liguistic ties of Austronesians.

[KariteGurl06]

really? please show me some academic resources! Sounds interesting. I want to see it myself!

[jusitke07]

Sure. But which one are you asking for and I'll get it for you.

[KariteGurl06]

I want the academic sources on anything relevant to Polynesian migration and settlement please! That will be nice thanks.

[jusitke07]

This from the History of Samoa in Wikipedia:

"The Samoans originated from AUSTRONESIAN predecessors during the terminal eastward Lapita expansion period from Southeast Asia..."

[KariteGurl06]

I don't want information from wikipedia... anyone can go on that sight and misinform people. Academic sites please!! I would like to read it from a scholar rather than a person who went up on wikipedia during their spare time to right a history lesson...

[jusitke07]

Okay here's a good one:

This from samoa(dot) usembassy (dot) gov: "Migrants from SOUTH EAST ASIA arrived in the Samoan islands more than 2,000 years ago and from there settled the rest of Polynesia further to the east."...located under the "History of Samoa

[KariteGurl06]

Yes Indonesians, can be considered Islanders, depending on how you see Indonesia geographically...

[jusitke07]

continued...so with that said, did you not know that the misnomer of "Polynesian Islands" is the last place on earth to be inhabited my human beings...especially from South East Asia? But nonetheless, you're right, Indonesians, Filipinos are Islanders as well....good on you ;-)

[KariteGurl06]

Ye they're islanders, because of couse being an islander is not an ethnic reference to who you are. You could live in the carribean and be an Islander... so thank you =)

[jusitke07]

You're right, Jamaicans are islanders too...Icelanders too, Irish are islanders too, the British are islanders too, the Japanese...so i guess the term "islanders" used to label Austronesians is a misnomer too.

[KariteGurl06]

Yes and I blame the american government for that! haha

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

i feel soo sorry for the polynesians that are trying to b claimed by the asians / south east asians lmao.. its goin to so entertaining to c a polynesian knock a fukin south asian out for sayin "we are related"! or we made use (which is aload of fukin shit)! lmao..

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

austronesia is a made up term by the way.. it aint no culture.. just a term used by south east asians that want to b considered as pacific islanders or seen as the same to them polynesians and melaz and microz. use south east asians gota realize pacific islanders are not the same as south eas asains!! peace

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

in comparing south east asain to pacific islanders of mela (png-vanuatu) poly (samoa-tonga) its like comparing a monkey lol to a fukin gorila.. use asains are the lil monkeys pacific islanders are the GORRILAZ, we eat u marfukaz lmao. king kongs of the pacific lol.

[amaristudio]

o yeah perhaps native americans are sub derive from asian. & then columbus mistaken dat he tot he arrived india & called them 'indian'. till now they were as red indian ryt? lol

ok, myb there is diffrent apart. but we still rooted to adam&eve. we got evolve by environment, belief &culture.

why dun we juz get along?

[Gille87]

Asian isn't a race, it's only a term made by the Europeans for a part of the world and...

[amaristudio]

part of world? so ur sayin the term is refer to continent?russia is also consider in asia region but they not call themself asian but european.

race term is refer to catergorize of people group. which is took on attribute on physical like skin color, eyes, face-cutting. also their custom and culture

perhaps asian term is not race. chinese, indian, japanese is race. juz lyk in russel peter jokes, they (american, european) juz don't know difference. so it end up by sum all together...

[jusitke07]

Because genetically, most Russian are of European descent. Just like the peoples of Oceania who are genetically of South East Asian descent.

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

well gues waht pacific islanders are there own race and south east asains like urselves are ur own race.. pacific islander races of mela poly and micro or lets jus say polyz cause all yal wana b like them are farmore diverse than u think. there far more bigger, cultural practices, appeances ect. the only way they may lok asain is if there part.. i rest my case.

[tarokirl]

You know, Native Americans migrated the Americas from Asia through Alaska. But nobody calls them Asian.  Why don't we just all let people be their own people? Why do we have to try to group people with terms such as Pacific Islanders and Austronesian? I wish Polynesians were left alone just like Native Americans are.

[jusitke07]

That's because the terms Native Americans is a European term incorrectly considering them a different group of people from Asia. But you're right, Native Americans did come from Asia, just as Polynesians did come from South East Asia too.

[wanabeezlickbolobolo]

its cause u polys are making it global wit music sport ect. so the asains wana claim use lol.. i feel sorry foa use... cause even i c ur culture as ur own race.. jus like i c melanesians and microz as there own..

[jusitke07]

Oh please, most Asians have much better mathematical skills, more engineers, more stronger peoples with more Olympic metals, than the obese Polynesians.

[KariteGurl06]

wow, this shows how low you can go. Please don't comment on anymore Polynesian videos if you feel that way. Rude person.

[jusitke07]

As an American Pacific Islander who practices freedom of speech....hmmm, what do you think?

[KariteGurl06]

Excuse me you shouldnt have freedom of Speech if all you are going to do is marginalize another culture and then degrade them. Not all Polynesians are obese and some of us actual have good jobs and own our own houses. Please think before you comment.

[jusitke07]

What? Now you're trying to ban my freedom of speech because of the truth of Austronesians....ludicrous.

[KariteGurl06]

I'm not banning you, I don't have the authority to lol, but in all honesty your so called 'freedom of speech' is getting way out of hand. First off you marginalize Polynesian people, not giving them any credit whatsoever as their own cultural group then second you have the nerve to bash our people by saying we are obese and giving the impression that we are illiterate. It's not really freedom of speech when you're stigmatizing us. Please think before you comment.

[jusitke07]

First of alll the term "Polynesian" is a misnomer you shouldn't be using. The actual correct term is "Austronesian". And isn't freedom of speech wonderful?

[KariteGurl06]

Haha so is the term Austronesian, a word that Europeans forcefully placed on us without our consent! haha, yes freedom of speech is wonderful, and so is being Polynesian! Polynesian for life!

[jusitke07]

Well you're correct to a certain extent. The fact that the scientific world in the present time included educated Astronesians along with collaborating with Europeans, Africans, and Asians in taking away the misnomers Micronesian, Polynesian, Indonesian and use Austronesians instead. They used to use the term Malayo-Polynesian, but Austronesians is more fitting because then it would include Austronesians from Madagascar. Why do you think they celebrate Asian-Pacific month in May in the US?

[KariteGurl06]

But if that was the case wouldn't the word Austronesian be used instead of Polynesian? I'm not sure how Asian-Pacific month works, because I'm not American but I find it amusing that if we were so called Austronesians then why wasn't the term enforced earlier? This is why, Polynesians cannot acknowledge the used of the word 'Austronesia' because if it was that relevant to us, we would be using it today to define who we are, but we don't. We acknowledge a connection but not a direct relationship.

[jusitke07]

Hello, welcome to the new millenia. Times have changed. Eventually the old term of Malayo-Polynesian, will gradually be incorporated with Austronesian. And if there's a direct genetic link, with a direct cultural & liguistic link as well....you'd better believe there is a direct relationship. Because otherwise you're being naive of this international fact. Sorry you lost this one KariteGurl06.

[KariteGurl06]

I didn't lose anything, this is not a competition. I'm just stating the fact that the term 'Austronesian' will most likely never be used as a popularized term for us to identify with, (in this case to culturally identify Polynesians) because we already have our own label, as do other Austronesian peoples. We are Polynesian, and even if it is a misnomer, its a misnomer which has become a part of us culturally, in retrospect the term Austronesian is a misnomer too...

[jusitke07]

" I'm just stating the fact that the term 'Austronesian' will most likely never be used"

Guess again, look at this video....they're using the term Austronesian.....

[KariteGurl06]

Yes but its used betweent those who are within the Austronesian group, its not a popularized term... people around the world don't know Samoans as Austronesians, but I'm 100% sure they know them as Polynesians... I'm not stressing that the term not be used, but if it was that relevant to who we are, don't you think we should be using it most of the time to identify who we are? As we speak, we don't use that term, only when we have special gatherings like the one shown in this video thread...

[jusitke07]

"Yes but its used betweent those who are within the Austronesian group, its not a popularized term...".

You're correct to a certain extent, but you're wrong in claiming 100% of the world knows Polynesia. Educated people from around the world do know of the fact of Austroneisans, and will then teach it to the next generations. I remember when I was in school, the term was "Malayo-Polynesians" but now times are changing for the better...Austronesians.

[KariteGurl06]

But the people of Polynesia, are still being called Polynesians, which amuses me a lot. I wonder how long it will take for people to use the term Austronesian to identify us. I wouldn't mind using the term as a whole to identify those who occupy south east asia all the way down to the South Pacific, but not individually as a culture. I wonder when census forms and other applications will start enforcing the term 'Austronesian'. Until then I'm still going to be ticking the Polynesian box LOL!

[jusitke07]

"But the people of Polynesia, are still being called Polynesians"

For now, but sooner or later it will be the true term of Austronesians.

[KariteGurl06]

haha yes, but thats what your own belief, but its possible I guess... until then I'm still Polynesian lol but I have to be honest, I certainly love my AUSTRONESIAN cousins. =) lol

[jusitke07]

"...until then I'm still Polynesian lol but I have to be honest, I certainly love my AUSTRONESIAN cousins"

Truth hurts, and then denial sets in....tsk tsk. Learnt that one in psychology class.

[KariteGurl06]

yes but how is it denial when it was Europeans who labelled us? misnomers much? I'm just saying it as it is... no denial from me, I know there is a connection, but if it was that relevant, the word would be used way more commonly. I am Polynesian and will always be.

[KariteGurl06]

In my little world of denial? what are you on about? have you seen what people in Polynesia are called by most people in Western society? please excuse me if I'm defending what I've been called all my life, but I will and always be and will always be known to most people as a Polynesian. I'm not going to debate with someone who does not understand why we are still being called Polynesian and not austronesian. I know that the word is a misnomer, but if it was that wrong it woud've been changed

[jusitke07]

Okay, that's nice and all, but the fact is already all over Youtube, Wikipedia, National Geographics, Universities & Colleges all over the world....including schools in Austronesia...

[KariteGurl06]

You keep saying facts, but the fact is we aren't seen in society as being part of those living in South East Asia anymore. We have moved on, we have our own culture, customs and religious beliefs. We aren't in an era where we were once all the same people. We are cousins. Its like me having children and my brother having children, then his children trying to claim that my children came from their father, either way we are related but the fact is we are not exactly the same.

[jusitke07]

"we have our own culture, customs, and religious beliefs"...really? Uh the tattoo designs found in the Austronesian country of Samoa, can also be found in the Austronesian countries of the Phlippines, and Malaysia. The flower behind the ear is also practiced in the Austronesian region of Indonesia, and the Samoan knife, is of Malay origin considering that metalwork is not part of the Samoan culture

[PhratzBoi]

omg enough with this debate already!!! the fact is that Polynesians have already established a name for themselves in society so that allows them to oblige by the term that they have been known by :p also the connections you have listed could be stated for any other cultural group too. Wearing a flower behind the ear is something that a lot of cultures do around the world its just become a part of polynesian hospitality and the tattoos and knife work does have influence but not entirely

[esuroi]

I'd have to agree with jusikte07. Polynesians, is not the correct term. It's actually Austronesian.

[KariteGurl06]

yes but its a term which is still used to define us as people living in Polynesia. Please tell this to the person who decided to place this label upon my people, then tell me when I have officially been labelled as an austronesian, because until then I'm still going to be a Polynesian, whether or not its a misnomer, because at the end of the day so is Austronesian. Both words, enforced on our people.

[PhratzBoi]

There is no correct term for defining people in Polynesia, because both words are labels and terms for different ethnic groups which occupy Oceania and South East Asia and I agree with karitegirl that it means they're related, it does not mean they're the same people. Its just a term used to classify a group of people collectively, nothing more. If you want to discuss a history lesson then it gets complex, but its a debate that has many different answers and opinions.

[jusitke07]

I needed to edit my last transaction: You may live in your world of denial of wanting remain in a misnomer "Polynesian", but the fact remains in the educated world...you're an Austronesian. And there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop the education process. Out with the old (Malayo-Polynesians) and in with the new (Austronesians)

[allikohcysp]

@KariteGurl06 do some research on Austronesia. You are embarressing me on here. You do know the next Austronesian gathering is in Hawaii right? People are becoming more aware and are digging deeper into their roots. If you don't like it, then stay out of it. If you want to restrict yourself to polynesia so be it. But don't fool yourself into thinking other Polys would not be down with Austronesia.

[chocobani]

how come the guy keeps on saying Astro-nesian. Star Islands? its pretty annoying.

[amaristudio]

dear chocobani,

it s not astro, is austro. in latin means 'southern'.

u might be get annoy, but we kinda proud of it. yup we myb not superior as european or chinese nation. spread wide island to island but by the term austro, we re bounded as big family

[IsaneProductions]

southern china is south east asia. chinese is a totally different race from austronesian. where insouthern asia that se. there no link to it. first they deny us a asian now they trying to say we come from their land it still don't support the theory were from se asia look under south east asia

[TonganSoIja63]

your right. much love cousin.

[IsaneProductions]

autronesian did not come from taiwan. austronesian originated from south east asia. the mainland. austronesian migrated to the island from the mainland south east asia. i dont know why taiwan trying to get the credit for austronesian. taiwan is an island is form by undergroundsea volcano. the main land is older than the island. austronesian people migrated from south east asian by sea. is like saying chinese people migrated from japanese island it doesnt make sense. therefore i donot buy it.

[flipxy]

The ancestors of modern day Austronesians didn't come from mainland se asia per se. They actually came from Southern China and later moved on to Taiwan, where the Austronesian languages began to be developed. When they expanded territories they moved southward into the Philippines and onto Indo-Malaysia and the Pacific. Here is one of my references: The Austronesians By Peter S. Bellwood, James J. Fox, Darrell T. Tryon, Australian National University. Comparative Austronesian Project.

[TonganSoIja63]

im tongan not Austronesian

[hawaiianboy2]

How do you think Tongans came to Tonga?? you don't think they magically appeared on Tonga right??? Its obvious your ancestors traveled from other lands long ago,and that's how you are connected to the other Austronesian cultures.

[TonganSoIja63]

Tongans have probably .1% because over time its been almost depleted.

[Mohi]

you're right hawaiianboy.. I don't know why these Polys like Tongans and Samoans have some bitter feelings to Asians... I don't understand why... Like me, I am a malay, I am Austronesian and most of all I am proud of my malay culture. But however, I felt compassion when I see my other Austronesian brothers being minorities in their own island where their identity is wiped out by colonials... Same goes to Taiwanese aborigine who are under force to assimilate with han chinese

[Mohi]

I am Malayian of Javanese- Bugis culture, my ancestors were the Austronesians, the very own people that taught my people to build big boats and great navigators without instruments who mastered the monsoon trade winds and uses the stars as their guide. they are the very own people that taught the Chinese and Indians how to navigate through the Indian oceans for trade.. They have also build great voyaging ships, even bigger than the Flora de la Mar belonging to the Portuguese.

[chocobani]

and I am german not white.

[TonganSoIja63]

Why are you telling me that?? I never said anything to you.. LOL.. I have a part of German too.

[ghosthost100]

Austronesian people

[ralphyboy1]

i dont like how austroneasian get called chinese japanese and all that buy whites and blacks, even though some austronesian are black.

[dahlers]

wow. that's pretty awesome.

[coolbank16]

Go Islanders...YOkwe from Marshall island friends