women out there then there are men. Where is that recognition. He will shout at men and will tell women like Sarah that sure you will go out and you will sin but it is important grow from that sin yet he will not say the same thing for men. Dare I say that he will not treat women as he does men because it will cut into his bottom line.
@mraNewfoundland All you can do is stick to your guns. Back in the days of the early church women were ladies. Most women today are not like the women in the early church, and this is something that Mark Driscoll doesn't acknowledge. Has it ever crossed his mind that if women behaved like a lady and gave men more respect that this would motivate men to be more committed? All he does is bash men and run them down. He's probably a male feminist.
He does acknowledge Feminists in the congragation. Where he should be takeing them to task for their part in destroying marriage. That is one of their stated goals to distroy marriage. Again the church must find its pastoral personality when it comes to men in our society and look at the state of society today and stop blameing men for every wrong done that is what feminists do. Women must learn to take responsibility for their own bad behaviour God knows there is enough of it.
Watched the video Women and Marriage, and this guy still willl spout that men not some men, "MEN" are violent dangerous etc... Yet not once does he recognize that women are also violent and dangerous. Please this video starts out with a sad story of a MAN who took advantage of a girl. Please like she had nothing to do with it. In this boy's eye's only men are the problem and women are innocent little flowers. Yes there are some men out there that are terrible but there are just as many terrible
Interesting that this boy will only have a sermon entitled "How Mark Driscoll Says Men Should Treat Women". Where is the sermon of how women should treat men. I wonder why does this man hate his own gender so much. Mark really only seems to shed light on one side to this issues around men and women. I have to wonder why?
@mraNewfoundland Watch his sermon entitled Marriage and Women. He DOES address how wives should treat their husbands. And there's a reason why he addresses the men more - he IS a man, he knows what men go through and how to address them, and men are the HEADS of their families, and therefore have more responsibility in marriage and the church.
@MoonlitShoreWalk That would be in an ideal situation. But in this society today men do not control much of anything. All a woman has to do is say divorce reason irreconcileable differences. What happens then in most cases men are relieved of everything he has worked for. We have a government now that promotes this hostile situation between the sexes and men not wanting to commit is a symptom. Hence yelling at men to man up is not fixing the situation. In fact a religion that now insists on
@mraNewfoundland traditionally held beliefs without equiping men for the new reality is irresponsible. For me it is not that traditional beliefs are wrong they are not I still do believe in the santity of marriage but in the new reality of today to just send out young men and take you chances without prepareing them is wrong. In this feminized society we are dealing with a culture of entitlements and entitlements abound when it comes to women. This what the church has to look at and to work to
@mraNewfoundland effect change where in the event that marriage is desolved and lets face it women are the most likely to do so acording to stats that I have seen. Then we wonder why the current situation has gotten so bad. I mean come on men see this and they will see even the church fly to the help of women and men they will be shamed telling them well you should of tried harder, women they will say well its your happyness that is what is important. The church has to drop the men are bad bit
Your words at the beginning are hard indeed, but they are also true and I want to be able to keep them.
I suffer from lust and desire. I should maybe take Paul's advice and get a wife but I want to travel and teach English and not settle down yet. So I suffer from increasing lust and this leads to imperfect relations and attitudes toward women. I feel stuck. I want to always be a gentleman but there is a thorn in my chest, an ache of longing, as my hair grays..
@MaggieSingh83 are you trying to say that because your husband is an Indian, he is abusive? Well, you're a liar. Your husband was very angry during the relationship because he though that you're a cheap woman. You never gained his trust or respect because you were always selfish, loose & stupid.
@TheSolefull If you come here with that hate speech wishing that we reply with hate you are mistaken. Most of us here are Christians and the only thing we will do for you is pray to God that he may clean you of that anger and replace it with joy and love for Him and His creation.
Regarding woman who "act like sluts thus deserve to be treated like one": If I leave my money on a table and you take it I am to be blamed for you theft?
I hope not to sound judgemental, but you need Jesus.
@BadMix what hate speech are you talking about? You're saying the same thing as me "If I leave my money on a table and you take it I am to be blamed for you theft?"
So some women after acting completely like sluts, they complained that they are been disrespected like prostitutes. So, what do expect then? It's better for you bitches to respect yourselves first. Stop wearing revealing clothes, posting nude photos online, going to night clubs or frat parties, drinking between strangers, touching men inappropriately to make him pay for your drinks or dinner or visiting single men in their apartments and you'll be safe. @maggiesingh83, are you trying to say th
My story is almost identical. Thank you for sharing, that I'm not the only one. God is so good... someday I pray I can find a church again. I have left 3 over the pastors disagreement of divorce based on domestic violence and child abuse.
I was told it was better to stay with him and allow him to murder us then to divorce him. After 14 years I realized I would rather burn in hell then watch him torture our children our animals and I. I have since learned Grace... 3
The way her old church treated her boils my blood! They will have to answer to God. It is absolutely tragic that religion was more important to them than the safety of this woman. It doesn't seem like there is one drop of love in that church. I will NEVER treat a woman like that man did.
Wow. That's an amazing story. I am sorry to say this but it was her religion that kept her enslaved to that awful man. "God's Word" can easily be used to support many horrible things. I am glad that she is free of that man and one day I hope she can find the support she needs outside of Christianity. If God was her one true love, how could he watch her suffer so?
well said Pastor Driscoll, the 44 Dislikes, are boys and NOT MEN, a real man takes care of his wife and would protect her and would take a bullet for her!!!
There are so many variations in wonen that you can't make blanket statements that all women are helpless.Women don't need constant help 24/7.I don't need a man to be a hero like maybe some other women do.Let women have experiences in life good or bad.Don't baby women.
What is happening in the church is very serious. More serious that I could imagine.
Through women , Satan pour his eternal misandry in the "followers of Christ". And he does this in the shade ,like the serpent that slips without making noise. Disgusting.
Have proud foolish women forgotten that we were made second ,as men's helpmeet and that are role on earth is to stand by our men ? That his career is ours ,his plans are ours and that we have to help him be the MAN God wants him to be ?
We are giving Christianity a very bad name to the unsaved. By refusing to submit to their men and wanting the best for them , helping their manhood shine for God's glory (like Proverb 31 woman) ,women are MALIGNING the Word of God among the pagans.
Good job Satan. Once more he adressed the woman (devilish feminism) and it worked soooooooo well.
Abigail ,the godly and wise wife had a mad and wicked husband . However ,did she divorce him ?
@framboise595 Very well said. Christianity today is a joke. The church has twisted the word of God to compromise with sin. Christians today are cowards and hypocrites. I, myself, often get attacked by other Christians just because I believe in keeping God's commandments. However, the good news is that in the end times the true Christians will endure to the end and will be accepted into God's kingdom :)
Today's women are REBEL. Whether in the secular world or in the church. That's why there are so many divorces. Are women still taught submission ?
What are women doing ? they're turning aside after Satan and now the church is filled with a satanic spirit of rebellion :the Jezebel spirt.
There is no excuse to divorce . It's a game for today's victimized woman and it's so easy to deprive a FATHER of his children .all of this in God's name . GREAT .
@lovejumping2011 Your understanding of the story is off. The Adam was with Eve when she took the fruit and he didn't say a thing. Man is just as guilty as Woman
@gilbert4321 I know the story and Eve is blamed for most everything.Women are blamed for men falling it's so sexist.Driscoll is a woman hater.He wants women to be weak and stupid.
@lovejumping2011 Sorry I was trolling when I posted that but being serious, The Adam is just as much to blame as Eve because Adam was with Eve when she was being deceived by satan and He didn't say a single thing to Eve to stop her. Mark is never sexist on the fall. If you listen to him he always refers to our first parents and if you watch his video series on Genesis if anything he blames men more than woman because its man responsibility to protect the family.
@gilbert4321 Women are too over protected.When will Christian men learn a woman has to have challenges in life.I grew up in a family where my grandnother had her own busihness.My grandfather never told her what to do.They both talked things out and he wasn't the leader.Unless I can find a man that will let me slay my own dragons,I'll never marry or marry a non Christian because let women grow up and be real adults.
@lovejumping2011 But Chriostianity has a way of making women sound like gulliable airheads.Like the man always has to ptotect the little airhead woman from herself.Another that bigs me is the way so many Chirstians think women aren't as bright like say in math etc.It's annoying to no end.It's even part of sermons at times.It makes girls feel inferior.
Women are "real adults" when they keep their position in Creation ,ie when man is their head.If they don't they become childish and destructive. Don't worry ,man has a head too ,it's Christ. But I never see males veiled or with a hat on their head in the church ,however I see plenty of unveiled women. Do I have to conclude that men know their place better than we do ?
Your posts on this thread are making my jaw hit the floor. I couldn't have possibly said any of it better myself. I've wondered if there were any women out there who are actually loving toward men.
And guy like Mark Driscoll with their insane white knight syndrome do suggest female helplessness to such a degree that reduces women to decorations not actually good for DOING anything. But women have just as much responsibility as men--just for different purposes.
Do you want to know what God showed me and put deep in my woman's heart ? That today women want to be loved by men (and they insist on love as never before , turning it into childish feelings rather than love actually) but DON 'T love men . Loving a man means loving the MALE inside , ie respecting manhood and its features. Women in the past used to do this ,Sarah called Abraham her master and respected his leadership.
Now women don't respect it anymore. They are a curse.
Yes indeed. Another passage most women of today hate (1 Peter 3).
Similarly, what God put into my heart (even as a single man) through the word of God is that women weren't actually meant for making men miserable--something it seems like women today practically set out to do, actively trying not to care about things that concern a man. They set out to be self-centered as possible. It becomes evident even in their interactions with other women.
@lovejumping2011 Man and Woman were created with different attributes but are of equal importance. So are you saying that if a person attacks you, you'd rather have him stand there and watch or have him stop him?
@gilbert4321 You don't know a thing about me.Not all women are helpless.There's so many variations of women that it's impossible to apply these constraints to all women.Some of us women don't need constant help 24/7.We're not all helpless.
The church is a family. In a family, why do parents reprimand their kids? They do it out of love. If you see your children doing something desperately immoral and wrong, would you tiptoe around them saying "please stop doing that"? No! I can speak from experience that kids often take real notice when their parents are REALLY angry.
People getting offended by this, you need to consider why you're getting all touchy and defensive. Perhaps you're afraid of what this sermon indicates for you...
@tony9L9L You're welcome to try. Use the innate goodness of humanity as the unassailable rock you cling to, and let us know how that works out (LOL).
I for one hope everyone hurting finds relief. Let those who would do it in the name of Humanity achieve all the success they can, and those of use doing it in the name of Jesus, the same. HELP the world, and do it in whatever name you like.
@mowriter Your first sentence wept with sniggering pious arrogance then in the second part of your comment you faked humility and love for the world (Michael Jackson style)- perhaps you felt ashamed at your hypocrisy?
You are so sadly and deeply deluded that you can't see the distance between the image you have of yourself as mr Lovey-Dovey and the truth. But the mind is a powerful thing even when there's only an idiot using it.
@tony9L9L hmm, never thought of myself that way. What I was conveying was the evidential reality that human goodness is not good enough to be trusted to the extent I think you would like it to be. Followed by as assertion to not let that reality stop YOU from bettering the world.
I was trying to yes, disagree with your (apparent) notion that humans are inherently good, then assert that folks doing good in the name of Jesus ought not stop others doing the same for different reasons.
@mowriter So other than a greater love for his fellow man (sarcasm again), what has Jesus added to your life? Did he give you the ability to ignore your true self (not sarcasm) or was his gift to you a profound hatred of yourself (not sarcasm)?
@tony9L9L I tried replying to your posting on my page, but you have comments blocked. Does that seem... cheap and cowardly to you at all?
I was prepared to tell you I agree 100% with everything you said on my page, and then I was going to go on and clarify my own position further, RESPECTFULLY, but you have comments turned off.
Why would you leave a comment on my account, knowing I allowed the freedom to do that, knowing you do not allow the same freedom for others?
@mowriter 'Cheap and cowardly'? I have no idea what you are talking about (are you trying to find a way of being rude to me? you are clutching at straws) There are many ways to respond to a persons comment on youtube. I blocked comments because god-botherers plague me with their inane , childish retorts without ever engaging with the subject matter. I expect nothing more from irrationalists and zealots.
Godists dont have a monopoloy on goodness, I know thats not good news to you, sorry.
@tony9L9L (cont). Does that not seem disingenuous of you? A bit like hitting someone and running away?
I tried to send you a Bill Maher video that I love and agree with. Because I'm into honest discussion, not silly games where one person states a position and then plugs their ears, metaphorically, so as not to hear the retort.
I'd expect better from Rationalists and Atheists. And that's NO sarcasm.
Deut 22:28-29 forces a man who takes a womans virginity to care for her, as she will be rejected by every man as a whore and have no life. Without this provision she would be like a widow who were likewise rejected and often uncared for, they would have to fetch for themselves in a society where without family they would be very hard pushed to do so.
@SanderBuruma So the victim was to be forced to marry her rapist; this was justice? What kind of lunatic forces a woman to marry her rapist? Oh, yeah, GOD. No longer a virgin, but not by her choice. Virginity was all that mattered?? Huh??
And what is your explanation for all the other verses about rape? And Judges 21:10, Number 31:7, Deut. 20-21, Zech. 14:1, Exodus 21:7, etc. Do you really think those women were willing? Of course not.
@Trillidotia no the woman is not forced to marry her rapist, the preceding versus exclude any rapist from surviving the Deut 22 laws. Deut 22:28 concerns consensual sex. God kills people all the time and continues to do this to this day. Everyone who God kills has been rebelling continually and hurting weak and innocent people a lot for a long time, discarding and abusing every kind of mercy given to them. To their victims that's justice.
The people that he commanded to be killed were not like peaceful western non-believers that we know today. The midianites sent out their wives and daughters en-mass to seduce and prostitute themselves to Israelites. At that point they are beyond redemption and death was their last mercy. Another reason God ordered the death of people because they were raiding God's people for generations. Sometimes the only way to keep sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent is by going to war
@SanderBuruma No. That's ridiculous. I have 3 translations of the bible in my house, and that is not borne out in any of them. Don't try to bullshit me, boy, you're way out of your league. Raping and killing non-combatants, including children, is not excusable. It's barbaric. But if you're okay with it, you need your head examined. You are one sick, troubled little man. If you had any sense, you'd be embarrassed.
Ah, the typical feminist perspective that males are naturally rapists and women are vulnerable, innocent little children. Mark Thick-skull is just more evidence that reformed theology is for sociopathic nihilists.
Extremely challenging story. One question worth raising: Would it be appropriate for this victimised woman to ever marry another husband?
I imagine her original church was probably basing their belief about marrying after sexual sin upon the Old Testament law stating that if a man rapes a single woman, then the man must marry and never divorce, which does seem like a very hard law. Of course one must remember though that the New Testament Church is not under the whole OT Law.
Tennis shoes, untucked shirt to help hide the gut, ripped up baggy jeans, unshaven - what is he trying to convey? That he's just a regular guy and you can trust him? Nope, it just says he's a disingenuous dork.
Oh yeah, women, who aren't allowed to be preachers or teach men, should feel so welcome and respected... what BS.
WAIT! Driscoll is shocked that the woman letter writer thought she was supposed to marry a man she had sex with?? He doesn't know his old testament, does he? Women were supposed to marry their rapists! Read Judges and Numbers for a misogynistic eyeful. This guy is so revolting. What's shocking is that so many people think he's so like totally awesome!
@SmileMissions You're not under the law? Do you thumb your nose at the 10 commandments too? What does Driscoll think of homosexuality? I think that's covered in biblical "law". Driscoll, by his own words, is no feminist, and he goes back to the bible to support his stance. These laws you refer to are pretty squishy. When they suit your purpose, fine and dandy, but when they're inconvenient, ignore them? Which is it?
@LyrikalProductionz "Jesus wants a relationship with us" Where did you get that? Who says? He is alleged to have said "Follow me", not "have a relationship with me". What does that even mean? Looks like you need to go back and read the gospels again, especially the Beatitudes. Willful ignorance is not a virtue! Also, suggest you look up "religion". It's not a bad word! Jesus is said to have quoted from and referred back to Hebrew scriptures, but Driscoll doesn't seem to know them... hmmm.
@LyrikalProductionz So, you, Driscoll and his legions of followers have no use for the bible? Where is he getting his information on this Jesus then? My comment is based on knowledge of the bible, which you don't seem to have, and which this Jesus philosophy (since I guess religion is a icky word) is based upon.
@LyrikalProductionz Jesus referred to Hebrew scriptures many times, so he must have known them well. Regarding rape, look up Numbers ch. 22 vs. 28-29, and also read all of chapter 21 in Judges; it's not long, just chilling. Remember, the Hebrew god ordered all this.
Driscoll is not aware of this? How? If he is, he's lying; if he isn't, he should be!
@Trillidotia you need to read what comes before....that is how you determine the meaning of a story....foolish person, you need to either read the chapter fully, or not comment at all!
@heather19821982 I have, and the context doesn't make it any more palatable if the subject is about women as the spoils of war or not. There's no excuse for condoning rape. Never.
I considered myself a christian for roughly 40 years, but eventually couldn't make excuses for the bible anymore. I can't pretend to be okay with it, not the misogyny, the violence, the petty tyranny from an imaginary sociopathic deity. I had to choose between authenticity and fantasy. Authenticity won.
@Trillidotia what's your point? Do you believe that everything came from nothing? That takes a of faith if you do. You make yourself a mockery with your own words.
@SanderBuruma Why don't you go back and read my first comment? Driscoll is ignorant of the bible. Rape is condoned multiple times in the old testament.
Considering there's no evidence for the existence of any god or gods, I'll go with science and the natural world. A "mockery"? Do you know what that means? You're just repeating what you've heard and read . It's nonsensical.
@Trillidotia if by condone you mean Deuteronomy 22:28, you are mistaken The preceding versus have rapists who forced woman to have sex with them, killed. If they had sex with a woman outside of city (where there are no witnesses he is killed regardless of what the woman does and if there are people nearby and she screams, he is stoned to death. The word which is often translated to rape is not rape, even if many translations say that.
@SanderBuruma Why don't you go back and read my first comment? Driscoll is ignorant of the bible. Rape is condoned multiple times in the old testament.
Considering there's no evidence for the existence of any god or gods, I'll go with science and the natural world. A "mockery"? Do you know what that means? You're just repeating what you've heard and read . It's nonsensical.
mark just live and a fantasy world he belive womans are angels and we man are demonds woman chose bad husband man dont force no body second how many mothers are single why because they dont respect man any more and society allways gave woman the reason even if they are wrong so dont blame man because womans are not little angel like they dont have a brain ti think
@boricua796 he has other videos with an equal line for women as well, i think you're twisting it outta proportion, as he's not irrationally calling out on all men. its just a call to love on women as women should love on men.
If god (as brother Mark says) is the same as always, can someone tell me what he was doing during the time before the creation? And why it was, in that perfect state of rapture, that he felt it necessary to alter what was there by creating this universe, (a brutal environment) for us to struggle in?
Humans do things, and create things, constantly, and the reason they do that is to make things better, so what was god improving?
Feeding five thousand with a loaf and a fish might seem like a neat trick, turning water into wine might also - (I bet Penn & Teller could do both of those!) But they are both apocryphal stories born of wish-thinking.
Creating the universe was the mother of all magical feats! (Despite its failings)
But the point is, i don't believe in any of it, or that jc existed. I really don't know how any thinking person could.
@StrumstickJoe why bother living then? death should be a joke to you then? JC was here, and there is proof of his existence. People choose to believe in it so their life isn't just a big empty hole, they want to live for something, if God did not exist, I would probably be dead by now or in jail.
Two of the major things to overcome, (and even some scientists fall into this trap) are the desperate need to find a meaning to life; and a destination for it. People wish for that so much, but...
I am here for the same reason as a leaf, or a stone, or a planet, and my destiny is the same as those things.
That makes me happy enough. Despite my importance today, and my sentience, I am no more than a transient happening.
@StrumstickJoe so you're just saying life is just a coincidence? and there is nothing beyond, if thats your case, what created the universe? the big bang? if the big bang was the creation of the universe, what created the cosmic egg. evolution, the big bang, are all just a theory, no proof. life cant just be there without something significant. You should research more, there IS proof that JC lived.
@r3never I have been debating this for years. I have seen a lot of "there IS proof that JC lived." -type statements, but, of course, never any actual proof!
I await it; I look for it; I invite it..! but it never comes.
Life is just coincidence, (massive, dynamic, stupendous coincidence), and there is nothing beyond for the individual. Yes.
I don't think I believe in the big bang either; it seems doubtful that theory could co-exist with black hole theory, but it was before my time!
@r3never I question faiths. That's what I do. I belong in this world and no other, therefore I may say anything I like which might stop the human race demeaning itself by grovelling before an imagined deity. What I say is not a belief. My principles are not a faith. I do not rely solely upon science and reason, because these are necessary rather than sufficient factors, but I distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason, which your deity, your heaven and hell do.
@StrumstickJoe or do they? since, hypothetically God would have created the universe which science is based on. but id rather not get into this debate yall are having and enjoy the video
Mark is speaking from a Christian point of view, biblical. He cannot try to 'accomodate' the worlds sins into the gospel or Word. get over the fact that u are in sin, n change. thats the point. if u think u r not playing a part in how the world rolls out then u are mistaken. Everyone is important to God. more so every sinner.
i dont like your sermons cause all you talk about is how to trae woman what about woman wh disrispect man and act like a daugter of satan why allways is man fault
whoa...downloading porn is bad??? my girlfriend likes porn more than i do...she must be a confused victim...i will tell her if i can pull her away from the computer
well first I'd like to say is its his mission to bring young men into the church. I'd also like to say that one of my closest and best friends is a woman. She has a boyfriend and they have been dating for 2 and a half years. We've talked about it and said quote " I could not imagine myself dating any other man" with that said I think its safe to say that not all women are vulnerable and it depends on the person.
@xSnakeEyezz many "massage parlours" are in actuality fronts for prostitution...just like many pizza shops are money laundering operations for various branches of the mob... he is not talking about a day at the spa, he is talking about people that go to particular "spas" that aren't really spas at all...
furthermore, let me share these quotes from the VIDEO:
"gentleman, there will be in the midst and in your life vulnerable women who are hurting and broken and they will trust you. treat them like jesus is treating this woman."
"and it is a glorious example of how we men are to treat ALL women, especially those who have the worst reputation and PERHAPS are the most vulnerable"
He did not call all women vulnerable. He's not saying that only women are vulnerable.
I'm wondering what happens when Driscoll councels a woman who doesn't fit his rather narrow view of women.His view of women is too thick a filter for women to get through if they want to talk to him about relationships.
Christian men give women all the same recipe to make ourselves into what they want us to be.They forget we are an individual and force limiting sterotypes on us so they can feel stronger than us in every way.I find the other video about men beiing visual terribly insulting to women.Women ARE visual,and I say we have to be very strong to put up with the nonsense Christian men dish out at us expecting us to swallow their recipe on a daily basis.
@jlgtuesday1971 But to be fair, most of the women I've found who don't like it, don't like it because they were in a relationship with a guy who was either a coward or a chauvinist and they've lost much of their trust and respect for men, and rightly so. Some are feminists with agendas, but many aren't. And there are men who do abuse this, to be sure. But those men are chauvinist fools who only look at parts of the Bible they agree with.
@enaykalaka1 I'm not into the obeying headship thing because I like to have an equal relationship.The respect has to go both ways and woimen have to be respected as an individual.He's just so kind of confining to some women...He makes me feel boxed all in..but yes there are men that do that.They look at the Bible as a tool to controll women and not listen at all..
@jlgtuesday1971 Those guys don't understand that the same book that says that men are heads of the household also says that men are to love their wives as Christ loved the church, and to give themselves up for their wives on a daily basis. Christ loved the church by loving her, protecting her, cherishing her, and doing what made her life better even if it meant the losing of his own. What would be wrong with men who led their homes like Jesus?
@everenduring You and other Muslim women I really respect because your tough.I remember when I used to go to Bible study and the women acting like gushy weak overly feminine saps.They made me want to puke with all their crap about Biblical womanhood.yuch! The women at the Bible study acted weak to please the men.You Muslim women are firebrands and I highly respect it.
Sociology and psychology tend to agree to this direction. And Driscoll is simply trying to make men realize the weight that their motive and actions carry, that while women are not always victims or without fault of their own, that the man will carry the greatest influence in either his action or lackthereof. That a man must, like Jesus does with the church, take responsibility of that which is under his care, whether it is necessarily his fault or not.
@jlgtuesday1971 To say that he is advocating that women are not responsible or they are children is to misunderstand and/or misrepresent what Driscoll means when he preaches the role of women and men. The funny thing is, most men I've known to grate against Driscoll's preaching in regards to gender roles are men who are cowards, abdicating their responsibility and tend to spend their time taking advantage of women and not treating them with dignity or respect.
@enaykalaka1 I'm wondering if there can be any equal sharing.Driscoll kind of gives me the feeling he almost feels sorry for women merely because they;re women.Does he know women aren't all the same with the same experiences? He tends to think women who had sex before marriage were 'taken advantage of' This is very 1950's to me.The idea Driscoll has about women is women are basically sexless and weak.
Driscoll isn't advocating all women are victims. But that the men influence the culture. If they're weak, culture happens in their absence, often to the detriment of the culture. If they're evil, they reap an evil culture. Not that women are insignificant, but that inevitably, the quality of a man, whether we like it or not, will determine the quality of those they influence.
@gloomysing At Bible study the men needed to think women are vunerable because it makes them feel more manly..lol! it's such a load of crap but some guys need to think women are weaklings..I say run from these men fast!
what's wrong with a male feminist?
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women out there then there are men. Where is that recognition. He will shout at men and will tell women like Sarah that sure you will go out and you will sin but it is important grow from that sin yet he will not say the same thing for men. Dare I say that he will not treat women as he does men because it will cut into his bottom line.
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@mraNewfoundland All you can do is stick to your guns. Back in the days of the early church women were ladies. Most women today are not like the women in the early church, and this is something that Mark Driscoll doesn't acknowledge. Has it ever crossed his mind that if women behaved like a lady and gave men more respect that this would motivate men to be more committed? All he does is bash men and run them down. He's probably a male feminist.
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He does acknowledge Feminists in the congragation. Where he should be takeing them to task for their part in destroying marriage. That is one of their stated goals to distroy marriage. Again the church must find its pastoral personality when it comes to men in our society and look at the state of society today and stop blameing men for every wrong done that is what feminists do. Women must learn to take responsibility for their own bad behaviour God knows there is enough of it.
mraNewfoundland 1 week ago
@SoldierOfChrist110
Yup, excellently put.
Sephiroth1984 1 week ago
Watched the video Women and Marriage, and this guy still willl spout that men not some men, "MEN" are violent dangerous etc... Yet not once does he recognize that women are also violent and dangerous. Please this video starts out with a sad story of a MAN who took advantage of a girl. Please like she had nothing to do with it. In this boy's eye's only men are the problem and women are innocent little flowers. Yes there are some men out there that are terrible but there are just as many terrible
mraNewfoundland 2 weeks ago
Interesting that this boy will only have a sermon entitled "How Mark Driscoll Says Men Should Treat Women". Where is the sermon of how women should treat men. I wonder why does this man hate his own gender so much. Mark really only seems to shed light on one side to this issues around men and women. I have to wonder why?
mraNewfoundland 2 weeks ago
@mraNewfoundland Watch his sermon entitled Marriage and Women. He DOES address how wives should treat their husbands. And there's a reason why he addresses the men more - he IS a man, he knows what men go through and how to address them, and men are the HEADS of their families, and therefore have more responsibility in marriage and the church.
MoonlitShoreWalk 2 weeks ago
@MoonlitShoreWalk That would be in an ideal situation. But in this society today men do not control much of anything. All a woman has to do is say divorce reason irreconcileable differences. What happens then in most cases men are relieved of everything he has worked for. We have a government now that promotes this hostile situation between the sexes and men not wanting to commit is a symptom. Hence yelling at men to man up is not fixing the situation. In fact a religion that now insists on
mraNewfoundland 2 weeks ago
@mraNewfoundland traditionally held beliefs without equiping men for the new reality is irresponsible. For me it is not that traditional beliefs are wrong they are not I still do believe in the santity of marriage but in the new reality of today to just send out young men and take you chances without prepareing them is wrong. In this feminized society we are dealing with a culture of entitlements and entitlements abound when it comes to women. This what the church has to look at and to work to
mraNewfoundland 2 weeks ago
@mraNewfoundland effect change where in the event that marriage is desolved and lets face it women are the most likely to do so acording to stats that I have seen. Then we wonder why the current situation has gotten so bad. I mean come on men see this and they will see even the church fly to the help of women and men they will be shamed telling them well you should of tried harder, women they will say well its your happyness that is what is important. The church has to drop the men are bad bit
mraNewfoundland 2 weeks ago
@mraNewfoundland without looking at the other side of the coin.
mraNewfoundland 2 weeks ago
Your words at the beginning are hard indeed, but they are also true and I want to be able to keep them.
I suffer from lust and desire. I should maybe take Paul's advice and get a wife but I want to travel and teach English and not settle down yet. So I suffer from increasing lust and this leads to imperfect relations and attitudes toward women. I feel stuck. I want to always be a gentleman but there is a thorn in my chest, an ache of longing, as my hair grays..
yet her story is much more sad
peacewalker7 2 weeks ago
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@MaggieSingh83 are you trying to say that because your husband is an Indian, he is abusive? Well, you're a liar. Your husband was very angry during the relationship because he though that you're a cheap woman. You never gained his trust or respect because you were always selfish, loose & stupid.
TheSolefull 1 month ago
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TheSolefull 1 month ago
@TheSolefull If you come here with that hate speech wishing that we reply with hate you are mistaken. Most of us here are Christians and the only thing we will do for you is pray to God that he may clean you of that anger and replace it with joy and love for Him and His creation.
Regarding woman who "act like sluts thus deserve to be treated like one": If I leave my money on a table and you take it I am to be blamed for you theft?
I hope not to sound judgemental, but you need Jesus.
BadMix 1 month ago
@BadMix what hate speech are you talking about? You're saying the same thing as me "If I leave my money on a table and you take it I am to be blamed for you theft?"
TheSolefull 1 month ago
@TheSolefull Nevermind what I wrote, just try to learn more about Jesus and you´ll see how offensive and inappropriate your words were.
God bless you, and us all.
BadMix 1 month ago
So some women after acting completely like sluts, they complained that they are been disrespected like prostitutes. So, what do expect then? It's better for you bitches to respect yourselves first. Stop wearing revealing clothes, posting nude photos online, going to night clubs or frat parties, drinking between strangers, touching men inappropriately to make him pay for your drinks or dinner or visiting single men in their apartments and you'll be safe. @maggiesingh83, are you trying to say th
TheSolefull 1 month ago
Wow, so powerful man.
stevievaughan16 1 month ago 2
My story is almost identical. Thank you for sharing, that I'm not the only one. God is so good... someday I pray I can find a church again. I have left 3 over the pastors disagreement of divorce based on domestic violence and child abuse.
I was told it was better to stay with him and allow him to murder us then to divorce him. After 14 years I realized I would rather burn in hell then watch him torture our children our animals and I. I have since learned Grace... 3
Wintertyme1976 1 month ago
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The way her old church treated her boils my blood! They will have to answer to God. It is absolutely tragic that religion was more important to them than the safety of this woman. It doesn't seem like there is one drop of love in that church. I will NEVER treat a woman like that man did.
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iLike2scream7 1 month ago
Who officiated adam & eves marriage when they started screwing? More importantly, who documented it?
quinnlunde 1 month ago
@quinnlunde GOD.
xXKillerDroXx 1 month ago 7
Wow. That's an amazing story. I am sorry to say this but it was her religion that kept her enslaved to that awful man. "God's Word" can easily be used to support many horrible things. I am glad that she is free of that man and one day I hope she can find the support she needs outside of Christianity. If God was her one true love, how could he watch her suffer so?
vicarious014 1 month ago
When I listened to her story, I just wanted to hug her. :'(
Good thing she's married to a wonderful husband now!
TomHopeful 1 month ago
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brainm7 2 months ago
well said Pastor Driscoll, the 44 Dislikes, are boys and NOT MEN, a real man takes care of his wife and would protect her and would take a bullet for her!!!
GQneatFreak 2 months ago 16
@GQneatFreak i take my own bullet woman is full adult not a child driscoll treat woman like a moron
mistyeyedsister 2 months ago
Amen.
Polygamists, Bi and Homos can suck a dick.
Love is when it is 1 man and 1 woman.
Any other way of doing marriage is a sin, an abomination and it cannot be called love.
MrFrostbite625 1 week ago
There are so many variations in wonen that you can't make blanket statements that all women are helpless.Women don't need constant help 24/7.I don't need a man to be a hero like maybe some other women do.Let women have experiences in life good or bad.Don't baby women.
lovejumping2011 2 months ago 2
Women are treated like gulliable airheads in Christianity.This stigma lives in our chuches.Girls don't learn confidence.
lovejumping2011 2 months ago
What is happening in the church is very serious. More serious that I could imagine.
Through women , Satan pour his eternal misandry in the "followers of Christ". And he does this in the shade ,like the serpent that slips without making noise. Disgusting.
Have proud foolish women forgotten that we were made second ,as men's helpmeet and that are role on earth is to stand by our men ? That his career is ours ,his plans are ours and that we have to help him be the MAN God wants him to be ?
framboise595 2 months ago 2
@framboise595 Too bad you're so brainwashed.Sounds like you think women should be an airhead.
lovejumping2011 2 months ago
We are giving Christianity a very bad name to the unsaved. By refusing to submit to their men and wanting the best for them , helping their manhood shine for God's glory (like Proverb 31 woman) ,women are MALIGNING the Word of God among the pagans.
Good job Satan. Once more he adressed the woman (devilish feminism) and it worked soooooooo well.
Abigail ,the godly and wise wife had a mad and wicked husband . However ,did she divorce him ?
SHAME on modern christianity.
framboise595 2 months ago
@framboise595 Very well said. Christianity today is a joke. The church has twisted the word of God to compromise with sin. Christians today are cowards and hypocrites. I, myself, often get attacked by other Christians just because I believe in keeping God's commandments. However, the good news is that in the end times the true Christians will endure to the end and will be accepted into God's kingdom :)
God bless
SoldierOfChrist110 2 months ago
Today's women are REBEL. Whether in the secular world or in the church. That's why there are so many divorces. Are women still taught submission ?
What are women doing ? they're turning aside after Satan and now the church is filled with a satanic spirit of rebellion :the Jezebel spirt.
There is no excuse to divorce . It's a game for today's victimized woman and it's so easy to deprive a FATHER of his children .all of this in God's name . GREAT .
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framboise595 2 months ago
He thinks women are weaklings.It's insulting.
lovejumping2011 3 months ago
@lovejumping2011 It was woman who ate the fruit from the tree first not man. Woman makes evil choices and Man is monkey see monkey do.
gilbert4321 3 months ago
@gilbert4321 I'm not coming back to this board.I think the stoneage thinking about women and relationships in general is very sad.
lovejumping2011 3 months ago
@gilbert4321 Where was Adam when Eve ate the fruit? Adam was NOT deceived.... and he still ate the fruit.
AbuseOrgAu 3 months ago
@gilbert4321 But man was dumb enough to eat it after woman.See how sexist and fake that story is.
lovejumping2011 2 months ago
@lovejumping2011 Your understanding of the story is off. The Adam was with Eve when she took the fruit and he didn't say a thing. Man is just as guilty as Woman
gilbert4321 2 months ago
@gilbert4321 I know the story and Eve is blamed for most everything.Women are blamed for men falling it's so sexist.Driscoll is a woman hater.He wants women to be weak and stupid.
lovejumping2011 2 months ago
@lovejumping2011 Sorry I was trolling when I posted that but being serious, The Adam is just as much to blame as Eve because Adam was with Eve when she was being deceived by satan and He didn't say a single thing to Eve to stop her. Mark is never sexist on the fall. If you listen to him he always refers to our first parents and if you watch his video series on Genesis if anything he blames men more than woman because its man responsibility to protect the family.
gilbert4321 2 months ago
@gilbert4321 Women are too over protected.When will Christian men learn a woman has to have challenges in life.I grew up in a family where my grandnother had her own busihness.My grandfather never told her what to do.They both talked things out and he wasn't the leader.Unless I can find a man that will let me slay my own dragons,I'll never marry or marry a non Christian because let women grow up and be real adults.
lovejumping2011 2 months ago
@lovejumping2011 But Chriostianity has a way of making women sound like gulliable airheads.Like the man always has to ptotect the little airhead woman from herself.Another that bigs me is the way so many Chirstians think women aren't as bright like say in math etc.It's annoying to no end.It's even part of sermons at times.It makes girls feel inferior.
lovejumping2011 2 months ago
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Women are "real adults" when they keep their position in Creation ,ie when man is their head.If they don't they become childish and destructive. Don't worry ,man has a head too ,it's Christ. But I never see males veiled or with a hat on their head in the church ,however I see plenty of unveiled women. Do I have to conclude that men know their place better than we do ?
framboise595 2 months ago
@framboise595
Your posts on this thread are making my jaw hit the floor. I couldn't have possibly said any of it better myself. I've wondered if there were any women out there who are actually loving toward men.
And guy like Mark Driscoll with their insane white knight syndrome do suggest female helplessness to such a degree that reduces women to decorations not actually good for DOING anything. But women have just as much responsibility as men--just for different purposes.
Sephiroth1984 2 months ago
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Do you want to know what God showed me and put deep in my woman's heart ? That today women want to be loved by men (and they insist on love as never before , turning it into childish feelings rather than love actually) but DON 'T love men . Loving a man means loving the MALE inside , ie respecting manhood and its features. Women in the past used to do this ,Sarah called Abraham her master and respected his leadership.
Now women don't respect it anymore. They are a curse.
framboise595 1 month ago
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Yes indeed. Another passage most women of today hate (1 Peter 3).
Similarly, what God put into my heart (even as a single man) through the word of God is that women weren't actually meant for making men miserable--something it seems like women today practically set out to do, actively trying not to care about things that concern a man. They set out to be self-centered as possible. It becomes evident even in their interactions with other women.
Sephiroth1984 1 month ago
@Sephiroth1984
"that women weren't actually meant for making men miserable"
Indeed. God made women to please men and make them happy and do them good (Proverb 31). But the original blessing has be turned into a real curse.
framboise595 1 month ago
@framboise595
Yes, and "1 Corinthians 11:9 for neither was man created for the woman, but woman for the man."
Many of them deliberately, consciously rebel against this. It's so incredibly painful. Men's misery from this is poorly understood or even examined.
Sephiroth1984 1 month ago
@Sephiroth1984
The slightest rebellion against the smallest truth coming from our wise and prefect God is always painful. Men's misery is the goal of Satan.
The West is misandric because it is in the power of Satan. But Jesus has triumphed over Satan.
framboise595 1 month ago
@lovejumping2011 Man and Woman were created with different attributes but are of equal importance. So are you saying that if a person attacks you, you'd rather have him stand there and watch or have him stop him?
gilbert4321 2 months ago
@gilbert4321 You don't know a thing about me.Not all women are helpless.There's so many variations of women that it's impossible to apply these constraints to all women.Some of us women don't need constant help 24/7.We're not all helpless.
lovejumping2011 2 months ago
@lovejumping2011 Never said women were helpless, Your inserting assumptions into what I said.
gilbert4321 2 months ago
@lovejumping2011 I think your missing the point...
GamerNerdTalk 3 months ago
@GamerNerdTalk Another woman hating Christian.How do you expect to have any THINKING women in the church if you treat them like idiots.
lovejumping2011 2 months ago
If I was king I would like to see the guy's head roll off for what he did to this woman. Notice: I said "If I was king" meaning it is hypothetical.
tskjesusfreak 3 months ago
AMEN!!!!!
TheFilipino68 4 months ago
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The church is a family. In a family, why do parents reprimand their kids? They do it out of love. If you see your children doing something desperately immoral and wrong, would you tiptoe around them saying "please stop doing that"? No! I can speak from experience that kids often take real notice when their parents are REALLY angry.
People getting offended by this, you need to consider why you're getting all touchy and defensive. Perhaps you're afraid of what this sermon indicates for you...
jinpitakki33 5 months ago 2
AMEN and AMEN!!!!!
brianchasecook20 5 months ago
@brianchasecook20 Can we bring healing and goodness without all the jesus mumbo-jumbo?
tony9L9L 4 months ago
@tony9L9L You're welcome to try. Use the innate goodness of humanity as the unassailable rock you cling to, and let us know how that works out (LOL).
I for one hope everyone hurting finds relief. Let those who would do it in the name of Humanity achieve all the success they can, and those of use doing it in the name of Jesus, the same. HELP the world, and do it in whatever name you like.
mowriter 4 months ago
@mowriter Your first sentence wept with sniggering pious arrogance then in the second part of your comment you faked humility and love for the world (Michael Jackson style)- perhaps you felt ashamed at your hypocrisy?
You are so sadly and deeply deluded that you can't see the distance between the image you have of yourself as mr Lovey-Dovey and the truth. But the mind is a powerful thing even when there's only an idiot using it.
tony9L9L 4 months ago
@tony9L9L hmm, never thought of myself that way. What I was conveying was the evidential reality that human goodness is not good enough to be trusted to the extent I think you would like it to be. Followed by as assertion to not let that reality stop YOU from bettering the world.
I was trying to yes, disagree with your (apparent) notion that humans are inherently good, then assert that folks doing good in the name of Jesus ought not stop others doing the same for different reasons.
mowriter 4 months ago
@tony9L9L But I AM glad you can see so clearly into my heart to recognize fake humility and love for the world. Right now you're reading sarcasm.
mowriter 4 months ago
@mowriter So other than a greater love for his fellow man (sarcasm again), what has Jesus added to your life? Did he give you the ability to ignore your true self (not sarcasm) or was his gift to you a profound hatred of yourself (not sarcasm)?
tony9L9L 4 months ago
@tony9L9L I tried replying to your posting on my page, but you have comments blocked. Does that seem... cheap and cowardly to you at all?
I was prepared to tell you I agree 100% with everything you said on my page, and then I was going to go on and clarify my own position further, RESPECTFULLY, but you have comments turned off.
Why would you leave a comment on my account, knowing I allowed the freedom to do that, knowing you do not allow the same freedom for others?
mowriter 4 months ago
@mowriter 'Cheap and cowardly'? I have no idea what you are talking about (are you trying to find a way of being rude to me? you are clutching at straws) There are many ways to respond to a persons comment on youtube. I blocked comments because god-botherers plague me with their inane , childish retorts without ever engaging with the subject matter. I expect nothing more from irrationalists and zealots.
Godists dont have a monopoloy on goodness, I know thats not good news to you, sorry.
tony9L9L 4 months ago
@tony9L9L (cont). Does that not seem disingenuous of you? A bit like hitting someone and running away?
I tried to send you a Bill Maher video that I love and agree with. Because I'm into honest discussion, not silly games where one person states a position and then plugs their ears, metaphorically, so as not to hear the retort.
I'd expect better from Rationalists and Atheists. And that's NO sarcasm.
mowriter 4 months ago
Deut 22:28-29 forces a man who takes a womans virginity to care for her, as she will be rejected by every man as a whore and have no life. Without this provision she would be like a widow who were likewise rejected and often uncared for, they would have to fetch for themselves in a society where without family they would be very hard pushed to do so.
SanderBuruma 5 months ago
@SanderBuruma So the victim was to be forced to marry her rapist; this was justice? What kind of lunatic forces a woman to marry her rapist? Oh, yeah, GOD. No longer a virgin, but not by her choice. Virginity was all that mattered?? Huh??
And what is your explanation for all the other verses about rape? And Judges 21:10, Number 31:7, Deut. 20-21, Zech. 14:1, Exodus 21:7, etc. Do you really think those women were willing? Of course not.
It's sick. There is no excuse for condoning rape.
Trillidotia 5 months ago
@Trillidotia no the woman is not forced to marry her rapist, the preceding versus exclude any rapist from surviving the Deut 22 laws. Deut 22:28 concerns consensual sex. God kills people all the time and continues to do this to this day. Everyone who God kills has been rebelling continually and hurting weak and innocent people a lot for a long time, discarding and abusing every kind of mercy given to them. To their victims that's justice.
SanderBuruma 5 months ago
The people that he commanded to be killed were not like peaceful western non-believers that we know today. The midianites sent out their wives and daughters en-mass to seduce and prostitute themselves to Israelites. At that point they are beyond redemption and death was their last mercy. Another reason God ordered the death of people because they were raiding God's people for generations. Sometimes the only way to keep sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent is by going to war
SanderBuruma 5 months ago
@SanderBuruma No. That's ridiculous. I have 3 translations of the bible in my house, and that is not borne out in any of them. Don't try to bullshit me, boy, you're way out of your league. Raping and killing non-combatants, including children, is not excusable. It's barbaric. But if you're okay with it, you need your head examined. You are one sick, troubled little man. If you had any sense, you'd be embarrassed.
Trillidotia 5 months ago
You're only left with name calling and insults?
SanderBuruma 5 months ago
@SanderBuruma I just call it like I see it; you insult all women with your perverted beliefs, but somehow you don't see that.
Real men aren't threatened by strong women.
Trillidotia 5 months ago
Yo, this IS reality. Christ IS real. Suck it up. Deal with it. Face reality.
Jacquelyn239 5 months ago
Yeah, this guy is fucking delusional. Seriously out of touch with reality, more so than most "christians", which is saying something.
klloy007 5 months ago
Ah, the typical feminist perspective that males are naturally rapists and women are vulnerable, innocent little children. Mark Thick-skull is just more evidence that reformed theology is for sociopathic nihilists.
HardforJesus 5 months ago
this is boring where's the porn
enjoyallison 6 months ago
@enjoyallison Mofo youse's trollin'!!
PorridgeStall 5 months ago
Abuse for having a consenting sexual relationship with a girlfriend? Come on Driscoll that's absurd.
Skepticktok 6 months ago
Extremely challenging story. One question worth raising: Would it be appropriate for this victimised woman to ever marry another husband?
I imagine her original church was probably basing their belief about marrying after sexual sin upon the Old Testament law stating that if a man rapes a single woman, then the man must marry and never divorce, which does seem like a very hard law. Of course one must remember though that the New Testament Church is not under the whole OT Law.
ScalarPhotonZ 6 months ago
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@ScalarPhotonZ From Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
I guess Jesus didn't exactly reject the OT then. So much for that.
Trillidotia 6 months ago
Tennis shoes, untucked shirt to help hide the gut, ripped up baggy jeans, unshaven - what is he trying to convey? That he's just a regular guy and you can trust him? Nope, it just says he's a disingenuous dork.
Trillidotia 6 months ago
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rollz812 5 months ago
1:23 :'(
steffanielyn 6 months ago
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polopowers1 6 months ago
Oh yeah, women, who aren't allowed to be preachers or teach men, should feel so welcome and respected... what BS.
WAIT! Driscoll is shocked that the woman letter writer thought she was supposed to marry a man she had sex with?? He doesn't know his old testament, does he? Women were supposed to marry their rapists! Read Judges and Numbers for a misogynistic eyeful. This guy is so revolting. What's shocking is that so many people think he's so like totally awesome!
Trillidotia 6 months ago
@Trillidotia We aren't under the law! We don't have to follow anything that is part of the the Law. Goodness.
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@SmileMissions You're not under the law? Do you thumb your nose at the 10 commandments too? What does Driscoll think of homosexuality? I think that's covered in biblical "law". Driscoll, by his own words, is no feminist, and he goes back to the bible to support his stance. These laws you refer to are pretty squishy. When they suit your purpose, fine and dandy, but when they're inconvenient, ignore them? Which is it?
Trillidotia 6 months ago
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LyrikalProductionz 6 months ago
@LyrikalProductionz "Jesus wants a relationship with us" Where did you get that? Who says? He is alleged to have said "Follow me", not "have a relationship with me". What does that even mean? Looks like you need to go back and read the gospels again, especially the Beatitudes. Willful ignorance is not a virtue! Also, suggest you look up "religion". It's not a bad word! Jesus is said to have quoted from and referred back to Hebrew scriptures, but Driscoll doesn't seem to know them... hmmm.
Trillidotia 6 months ago
@LyrikalProductionz You go right ahead and pray for me (what, for something bad to happen to me?) and I'll do the thinking for both of us!
Trillidotia 6 months ago
@LyrikalProductionz So, you, Driscoll and his legions of followers have no use for the bible? Where is he getting his information on this Jesus then? My comment is based on knowledge of the bible, which you don't seem to have, and which this Jesus philosophy (since I guess religion is a icky word) is based upon.
Trillidotia 6 months ago
@Trillidotia ur an idiot
232ledoux 6 months ago
@LyrikalProductionz Jesus referred to Hebrew scriptures many times, so he must have known them well. Regarding rape, look up Numbers ch. 22 vs. 28-29, and also read all of chapter 21 in Judges; it's not long, just chilling. Remember, the Hebrew god ordered all this.
Driscoll is not aware of this? How? If he is, he's lying; if he isn't, he should be!
Trillidotia 6 months ago
@Trillidotia you need to read what comes before....that is how you determine the meaning of a story....foolish person, you need to either read the chapter fully, or not comment at all!
heather19821982 5 months ago
@heather19821982 I have, and the context doesn't make it any more palatable if the subject is about women as the spoils of war or not. There's no excuse for condoning rape. Never.
I considered myself a christian for roughly 40 years, but eventually couldn't make excuses for the bible anymore. I can't pretend to be okay with it, not the misogyny, the violence, the petty tyranny from an imaginary sociopathic deity. I had to choose between authenticity and fantasy. Authenticity won.
Trillidotia 5 months ago
@Trillidotia May God rebuke you.
SanderBuruma 5 months ago
@SanderBuruma Hahaha! I'll tell him you said so! May the Flying Spaghetti Monster bless and keep you and the Mars Hill kind - far away from me.
From Carl Sagan: "For me it is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
Funny (not really) how many of you are Tea Partiers. So much for following the ways of Jesus. Hate and ignorance are vices, not values.
Trillidotia 5 months ago
@Trillidotia what's your point? Do you believe that everything came from nothing? That takes a of faith if you do. You make yourself a mockery with your own words.
SanderBuruma 5 months ago
@SanderBuruma Why don't you go back and read my first comment? Driscoll is ignorant of the bible. Rape is condoned multiple times in the old testament.
Considering there's no evidence for the existence of any god or gods, I'll go with science and the natural world. A "mockery"? Do you know what that means? You're just repeating what you've heard and read . It's nonsensical.
Willful ignorance is not a virtue.
Trillidotia 5 months ago
@Trillidotia if by condone you mean Deuteronomy 22:28, you are mistaken The preceding versus have rapists who forced woman to have sex with them, killed. If they had sex with a woman outside of city (where there are no witnesses he is killed regardless of what the woman does and if there are people nearby and she screams, he is stoned to death. The word which is often translated to rape is not rape, even if many translations say that.
SanderBuruma 5 months ago
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@SanderBuruma Why don't you go back and read my first comment? Driscoll is ignorant of the bible. Rape is condoned multiple times in the old testament.
Considering there's no evidence for the existence of any god or gods, I'll go with science and the natural world. A "mockery"? Do you know what that means? You're just repeating what you've heard and read . It's nonsensical.
Willful ignorance is not a virtue.
Trillidotia 5 months ago
mark just live and a fantasy world he belive womans are angels and we man are demonds woman chose bad husband man dont force no body second how many mothers are single why because they dont respect man any more and society allways gave woman the reason even if they are wrong so dont blame man because womans are not little angel like they dont have a brain ti think
boricua796 7 months ago
@boricua796 he has other videos with an equal line for women as well, i think you're twisting it outta proportion, as he's not irrationally calling out on all men. its just a call to love on women as women should love on men.
azncutiesinger 7 months ago 2
God is the same as always. So move your ass and let's go kill some egyptian kids like Holy Lord Jebus did.
URTemplar 7 months ago
@URTemplar Yep! Same as always: genocidal; loves murder, rape, incest, apocalypse - and for that he demands grovelling worship.
Really nice character!
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
If god (as brother Mark says) is the same as always, can someone tell me what he was doing during the time before the creation? And why it was, in that perfect state of rapture, that he felt it necessary to alter what was there by creating this universe, (a brutal environment) for us to struggle in?
Humans do things, and create things, constantly, and the reason they do that is to make things better, so what was god improving?
Peace on earth to all my readers.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe
God didn't create the earth for us to struggle in. He created the earth and us simply because He wanted to.
He gave us all freewill, firstly with His Angels, who chose to love Him except one, Satan.
Adam and Eve also had freewill (if they didn't, they would be forced to obey and love, which wouldn't be perfection), but they chose to disobey.
God didn't intend the world to be like this, but despite suffering, we can still love God, which is better than forced love. It's worth it.
leafclash 7 months ago
@leafclash
Yes - that's exactly what I was saying: "god don't create the earth"
To believe that, you would have to believe in magic, and, of course, no thinking person would believe in magic, would he?
"God didn't intend..." you say - gosh, that's a let-down, I understood he planned everything!
Adam & Eve.... no! Surely not! Surely you don't believe that...??
I think you're a hopeless case, but it is my wish that some will read this and see the light of the world.
Peace on earth.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe
Hey- it's good that you're watching and seeking! :)
I guess, something which is unconscious creating something which is conscious...I think that is the mother of all hopeless cases!
Not going to get in a religious argument though, not really sure about someone seeing the 'light of the world' in a youtube comment.
You'll see it one day though, so not to worry!
Peace on earth brother!!
leafclash 7 months ago
@leafclash
Don't think I got back to you.
I know you don't want a discussion, and I'll never hear from you again. (You will quietly convert to reason and not mention it on YT!)
Just wanted to study your: "something which is unconscious creating something which is conscious...mother of all hopeless cases!"
I really really think that is a truism: sounds like it's something, but it isn't.
Evolution happens then, now and always.
It's just too slow for your quick mind. ;-)
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe that's not a great argument, magic has absolutely nothing to do with it, i'd be interested to hear why you think it's relevant
jgallant1990 7 months ago
@jgallant1990
Feeding five thousand with a loaf and a fish might seem like a neat trick, turning water into wine might also - (I bet Penn & Teller could do both of those!) But they are both apocryphal stories born of wish-thinking.
Creating the universe was the mother of all magical feats! (Despite its failings)
But the point is, i don't believe in any of it, or that jc existed. I really don't know how any thinking person could.
We need to move on from these fantasies.
Peace and clarity to you.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe why bother living then? death should be a joke to you then? JC was here, and there is proof of his existence. People choose to believe in it so their life isn't just a big empty hole, they want to live for something, if God did not exist, I would probably be dead by now or in jail.
r3never 7 months ago
@r3never No, there isn't any proof.
There's no need for you to fear death.
Two of the major things to overcome, (and even some scientists fall into this trap) are the desperate need to find a meaning to life; and a destination for it. People wish for that so much, but...
I am here for the same reason as a leaf, or a stone, or a planet, and my destiny is the same as those things.
That makes me happy enough. Despite my importance today, and my sentience, I am no more than a transient happening.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe so you're just saying life is just a coincidence? and there is nothing beyond, if thats your case, what created the universe? the big bang? if the big bang was the creation of the universe, what created the cosmic egg. evolution, the big bang, are all just a theory, no proof. life cant just be there without something significant. You should research more, there IS proof that JC lived.
r3never 7 months ago
@r3never I have been debating this for years. I have seen a lot of "there IS proof that JC lived." -type statements, but, of course, never any actual proof!
I await it; I look for it; I invite it..! but it never comes.
Life is just coincidence, (massive, dynamic, stupendous coincidence), and there is nothing beyond for the individual. Yes.
I don't think I believe in the big bang either; it seems doubtful that theory could co-exist with black hole theory, but it was before my time!
;-)
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@r3never I question faiths. That's what I do. I belong in this world and no other, therefore I may say anything I like which might stop the human race demeaning itself by grovelling before an imagined deity. What I say is not a belief. My principles are not a faith. I do not rely solely upon science and reason, because these are necessary rather than sufficient factors, but I distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason, which your deity, your heaven and hell do.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe or do they? since, hypothetically God would have created the universe which science is based on. but id rather not get into this debate yall are having and enjoy the video
azncutiesinger 7 months ago
@azncutiesinger OK. No debate. Just: I think they do.
And I repeat that it is demeaning; and I add that it is dangerous to have an apocalyptic view of the world.
Peace on earth.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
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youneekk 7 months ago
has he been painting? he needs new trousers!!
marcohorowitz8 7 months ago
Mark is speaking from a Christian point of view, biblical. He cannot try to 'accomodate' the worlds sins into the gospel or Word. get over the fact that u are in sin, n change. thats the point. if u think u r not playing a part in how the world rolls out then u are mistaken. Everyone is important to God. more so every sinner.
shocktalk1 8 months ago
@xSnakeEyezz
seriously?
FarmboyRecords 8 months ago
i dont like your sermons cause all you talk about is how to trae woman what about woman wh disrispect man and act like a daugter of satan why allways is man fault
boricua796 8 months ago
@boricua796
umm well.. the title of the sermon is "Jesus forgives a sinful woman".
I think they know that it isn't always that man's fault.
In this particular case though, it was.
leafclash 7 months ago
Wow that story was heartbreaking and remarkable. May that man come to repentance!
GodLovesUs100 8 months ago
You make it seem like NO women cheat, rape, download porn, hanging out at strip clubs(cause they are the stripper)
Im sorry, but this isnt a fantasy where all women are perfect, there are just as much women as there are men who do these things
chunkpug 8 months ago
whoa...downloading porn is bad??? my girlfriend likes porn more than i do...she must be a confused victim...i will tell her if i can pull her away from the computer
jerome3151 8 months ago
well first I'd like to say is its his mission to bring young men into the church. I'd also like to say that one of my closest and best friends is a woman. She has a boyfriend and they have been dating for 2 and a half years. We've talked about it and said quote " I could not imagine myself dating any other man" with that said I think its safe to say that not all women are vulnerable and it depends on the person.
tTechnocity 9 months ago
@xSnakeEyezz many "massage parlours" are in actuality fronts for prostitution...just like many pizza shops are money laundering operations for various branches of the mob... he is not talking about a day at the spa, he is talking about people that go to particular "spas" that aren't really spas at all...
TheBarneyfife78 9 months ago
if you notice, the title says "how men should treat women"
come on people! think of the CONTEXT before you make your comments
mollycavanaugh 9 months ago
furthermore, let me share these quotes from the VIDEO:
"gentleman, there will be in the midst and in your life vulnerable women who are hurting and broken and they will trust you. treat them like jesus is treating this woman."
"and it is a glorious example of how we men are to treat ALL women, especially those who have the worst reputation and PERHAPS are the most vulnerable"
He did not call all women vulnerable. He's not saying that only women are vulnerable.
mollycavanaugh 9 months ago
I'm wondering what happens when Driscoll councels a woman who doesn't fit his rather narrow view of women.His view of women is too thick a filter for women to get through if they want to talk to him about relationships.
jlgtuesday1971 9 months ago
Christian men give women all the same recipe to make ourselves into what they want us to be.They forget we are an individual and force limiting sterotypes on us so they can feel stronger than us in every way.I find the other video about men beiing visual terribly insulting to women.Women ARE visual,and I say we have to be very strong to put up with the nonsense Christian men dish out at us expecting us to swallow their recipe on a daily basis.
jlgtuesday1971 9 months ago
@jlgtuesday1971 But to be fair, most of the women I've found who don't like it, don't like it because they were in a relationship with a guy who was either a coward or a chauvinist and they've lost much of their trust and respect for men, and rightly so. Some are feminists with agendas, but many aren't. And there are men who do abuse this, to be sure. But those men are chauvinist fools who only look at parts of the Bible they agree with.
enaykalaka1 9 months ago
@enaykalaka1 I'm not into the obeying headship thing because I like to have an equal relationship.The respect has to go both ways and woimen have to be respected as an individual.He's just so kind of confining to some women...He makes me feel boxed all in..but yes there are men that do that.They look at the Bible as a tool to controll women and not listen at all..
jlgtuesday1971 9 months ago
@jlgtuesday1971 Those guys don't understand that the same book that says that men are heads of the household also says that men are to love their wives as Christ loved the church, and to give themselves up for their wives on a daily basis. Christ loved the church by loving her, protecting her, cherishing her, and doing what made her life better even if it meant the losing of his own. What would be wrong with men who led their homes like Jesus?
enaykalaka1 9 months ago 13
@enaykalaka1 Nothing would be wrong with that! It would make America and other countries around the world a much better place.
sarbear336 5 months ago
@everenduring I also loved your comment on some other board about women being in combat.You free me up lady! :)
jlgtuesday1971 9 months ago
@everenduring You and other Muslim women I really respect because your tough.I remember when I used to go to Bible study and the women acting like gushy weak overly feminine saps.They made me want to puke with all their crap about Biblical womanhood.yuch! The women at the Bible study acted weak to please the men.You Muslim women are firebrands and I highly respect it.
jlgtuesday1971 9 months ago
Driscoll likes to think women are like children.Women aren't so emotionally weak that we need to be treated like babies.
jlgtuesday1971 9 months ago
It's an honourable thing to advocate. If we could change the men, we truly would change the culture.
enaykalaka1 10 months ago
Sociology and psychology tend to agree to this direction. And Driscoll is simply trying to make men realize the weight that their motive and actions carry, that while women are not always victims or without fault of their own, that the man will carry the greatest influence in either his action or lackthereof. That a man must, like Jesus does with the church, take responsibility of that which is under his care, whether it is necessarily his fault or not.
enaykalaka1 10 months ago
@enaykalaka1 The women are responsible for what happens to them.Men shouldn't have to carry the weight as though women are children.
jlgtuesday1971 9 months ago
@jlgtuesday1971 To say that he is advocating that women are not responsible or they are children is to misunderstand and/or misrepresent what Driscoll means when he preaches the role of women and men. The funny thing is, most men I've known to grate against Driscoll's preaching in regards to gender roles are men who are cowards, abdicating their responsibility and tend to spend their time taking advantage of women and not treating them with dignity or respect.
enaykalaka1 9 months ago
@enaykalaka1 I'm wondering if there can be any equal sharing.Driscoll kind of gives me the feeling he almost feels sorry for women merely because they;re women.Does he know women aren't all the same with the same experiences? He tends to think women who had sex before marriage were 'taken advantage of' This is very 1950's to me.The idea Driscoll has about women is women are basically sexless and weak.
jlgtuesday1971 9 months ago
Driscoll isn't advocating all women are victims. But that the men influence the culture. If they're weak, culture happens in their absence, often to the detriment of the culture. If they're evil, they reap an evil culture. Not that women are insignificant, but that inevitably, the quality of a man, whether we like it or not, will determine the quality of those they influence.
enaykalaka1 10 months ago
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Apparently he thinks all women are prostitutes.
canucks117 10 months ago
Amen! =D
SunnyDealio 10 months ago
So in your opinion all women are victims? Regardless of sex, vulnerability is a state that affects both sexes.
gloomysing 1 year ago 4
@gloomysing At Bible study the men needed to think women are vunerable because it makes them feel more manly..lol! it's such a load of crap but some guys need to think women are weaklings..I say run from these men fast!
jlgtuesday1971 9 months ago
@gloomysing
right because the man who Rapes his Sister and Sleeps with a Brides Made
HE IS SUCH A VICTIM
(WAYNES WORLD REFERENCE)
NOT!!!!!!!
your a FOOL LEADING 5 Thumbs up
libbyandtai 9 months ago