I don't think that there are many people who will ever enjoy this music. It's too complex most common people, and it's not very pleasant to listen to at first.
Over 110,000 hits and going strong! Who would have thought Webern could attract this much attention? Maybe some music directors of symphonies should be aware of this. Webern isn't the big bad wolf of 20th century music. ...in reality, this is quite beautiful.
@Musorgsky Plenty of American composers have written in this style. But I sense you were trying to imply that Americans are somehow uncultured and unable to listen to this music. If you think that then you're just an ignorant fool. I'm American and I listen to this and many other 20th century as well as contemporary classical composers. And I know plenty of other Americans that do as well.
I find all the comments about this atonality stuff funny...personally I find this quite listenable for Webern and atonality. I've heard much much worse than this. Crumb's black angels for instance. Now thats some dissonance.
@autumnreign78 Hahaha, Black Angels is EXACTLY what came to my mind while I was reading the comments and thought, "you want A-tonal..." Even black angels though... while I wouldn't listen to it in my car, is interesting. This piece at least hints towards a melodic movement and occasionally a key, suggesting tonality. It's not like it's a barrage of random sounds attacking your ears.
Just to think this is some of the first music Frank Zappa came into contact. Webern and Varese, especially this piece. Frank Zappa's music didn't make sense to a lot of people, by the way; and for some others he was a genius. I guess it depends on how much sense of the outrageous people may have. Either way, it's hard to label Zappa's music, and that makes it even more interesting and appealing.
I barely made it through high school and have no plans to further my education. I'm entirely self-taught on all this, so some may think me unqualified to comment, but Jesus Christ, people, it's music. It's beautiful and it's ugly in it's own way just like everything else. To fully appreciate this type of music, you have to appreciate the beauty and the ugliness, because even that can be beautiful. If you don't like it, then you don't. Go with your gut. Don't judge others for not liking it.
serial composing.... now this is what I call ridiculous.
the dodecaphonic music is a joke. they were just a bunch of elitists pretending to appreciate the 'non-appreciable', trying to expand their perception to something absolutely hypocritical. they couldn't even express their feelings, cos if they made sense, they should discard them.
My point is this: sound has to be taken in context. Hearing atonal "noise" that occurs naturally, that doesn't claim to be music, is not destructive. But music is about ordered communication; atonal music, not having a center, has no basis. It's just chaos, pure and simple - it sounds exactly like a rotting corpse, or perhaps the quasi-psychosis of a deeply depressed borderline personality. And I went to Eastman School of Music - I know what I'm talking about.
@KhagarBalugrak The Chinese are actually a good example. They used semi-tone scales for years before Western music came about. I like Beethoven and I like Mozart, but I also can enjoy atonal music from time to time. I also happen to be a music student. But I'm sorry that I'm not "natural" to you...
@KhagarBalugrak Oh, and one more thing...A lot of atonal music is "ordered". Schoenberg's twelve tone row has a very strict system of notation. It's just a different system than we're used to. You don't have to like it, but that's no reason to fear it...
@MrKain1000, yes, it's ordered, but not in a gentle, life-affirming way. Sadly, atonal music has been proven to kill plants. I plan on replicating the experiment I read about so I can say I've done an experiment myself. Really, I do wish atonal music was a good thing. I wish it was good for people to listen to. But as it's not, we just have to find something else to entertain ourselves with.
@KhagarBalugrak I half feel like your just kidding around...Like, I just can't imagine someone using the idea of something not being gentle or life-affirming as a real counterpoint when we're talking about how an oboe not playing in a key could kill something. It's clear that you don't enjoy atonal music (that's fine)...I'm sorry that it's developed for you into some detrimental illusion. Good luck.
@MrKain1000, another thing: I did do an experiment for science class on the effects of different types of music on plants. The plants that listened to Gandharva Veda (Indian classical music) grew very large and perfectly straight, uniformly. The plants that listened to Bach grew almost as well, but not quite as straight, but the difference was insignificant. The plants that listened to acid rock - well, many didn't even sprout at all. Those that lived were small, stumpy and twisted.
@KhagarBalugrak You sound like a Nazi - only certain styles of music are 'acceptable', the rest are 'degenerate'. You have such a narrow perspective. Personally, I've attained great inspiration and emotional fulfillment from both Webern and Bach (...and tons of other musics from a variety of styles - tonal, atonal, electronic, sonic-based, folk, etc). You want to live in your narrow world - go ahead have fun, but I could never limit myself to such a close-minded perspective.
There's a natural expectation when one sits down to listen to something. (Of course, the people who love atonal music have disconnected from their hearts in terms of being able to internalize and listen to music, so they have unnatural expectations.) The NATURAL expectation is to hear well-ordered, tonal sound. It's like you hear someone burp; that's not destructive. But if you ask someone for their advice on your failing marriage, and they just burp at you, you are rightly offended!
This kind of music is not made for people who don't really understand notes, or anything about classical music. I find classical music genious, and it has some fragile beauty.
I've plaid the violin for 8 years now, so i know what i'm talking about.
Bjork once said she liked Arvo Part's music because he gives the listener room to move around. I think the same is true for Webern's music. Thanks for posting poldi24.
@KhagarBalugrak "Atonal music is destructive to living things" - got to be one of the craziest things I've ever heard. What is 'atonal' music? Music that has no tonic? What about music that has shifting tonal centers - is this 'destructive atonal music'? What about music using rotating pitch cells? Invented scales? Ethnic musics that use different intonations? Sonic based music? The actual definition of 'atonal' is rather suspect and then to say it's 'destructive' is just downright silly.
@willjooo, this claim is only "silly" if you're willing to laugh off multiple well-documented, meticulous experiments that prove that the music of Schoenberg, Webern, and others destroy living things. Plants can only hear their music for about three weeks, a few hours a day, before they die.
It's funny, people who deny the reality of global warming have the exact same attitude toward scientific research that you're displaying here.
@KhagarBalugrak Please provide us all with information regarding these so called 'multiple well-documented, meticulous experiments'. Who are the scientists doing these experiments? If you're going to make this claim, you better back it up with some empirical evidence.
@KhagarBalugrak "It's funny, people who deny the reality of global warming have the exact same attitude toward scientific research that you're displaying here."
What you're peddling is not science, but pseudo-science. And of course, you only happen to be a global warming ideologue.
@KhagarBalugrak I would also like to know about those experiments. Not agreeing nor disagreeing with you, but I know there are scientific studies on the area, such as cows milking to Mozart and indians approving of Bach.
@KhagarBalugrak Where is this proof? How does this make any sense at all? What's the difference between listening to atonal music and tonal music with regards to how the human body works and functions? That would be like suggesting that all non-tonal noise is detrimental to health. We hear that every day ALL of the time. This makes no sense.
@MrKain1000, except that the non-tonal noise we hear often IS destructive. Think of cars, busses, planes - people who live near airports, busy roads, where they hear all this noise suffer tons of health problems. As for the non-destructive noise - the chirping of birds, etc., the difference between that and this is that THAT NOISE DOESN'T TRY TO BE MUSIC. Music isn't just sound; it's well-ordered sound with a sonorous and beautiful quality. And composing atonal "music" is a betrayal of that.
@KhagarBalugrak Yes, sometimes non-tonal noise is destructive, but certainly, it doesn't "kill us". Potted plants and gardens hear a lot of that same noise as well, yet they thrive. You don't provide proof...Only opinion. The only reason why it's natural for people to expect tonal music is because we've been conditioned that way. There are tribes of Indians and other cultures who only knew of non-westernized music, which used odd scales with semitones we can't even distinquish.
Webern is the most influential composer of the 20th century.Far bolder and revolutionary then Schoenberg.His exact and rigorous works continue to inspire musicians.Everyone from Stockhausen to Zappa have felt his impact. .The symphony is one of his later masterpieces and a personel favourite of mine.Long live Webern!
Why does this music frighten people? The textures are so fragile and delicate. Every gorgeous line is exposed. This piece has such a wonderful clarity of texture; such introverted expressionism. I find the people that really hate this music are not Babbitt's "man on the street," but rather the blank-blank-Philharmonic season ticket holders - those who know just enough about music to be closed-minded about it.
you just want to be different, because somehow that makes you better. You want us to think you understand this music on a totally different level of intellect.
I understand why he started writing in serialism, to break the conventional structure of the time. but that means nothing to me because all this music does for me is make me really really angry.
@MegaDrinkwater so what exactly is a great piece of music, idiot? isn't it subjective to the person listening? it's a great piece of music to me because it strikes a chord. don't belittle other people's music tastes with your ignorance!
@MegaDrinkwater We can say that this is great piece of music, just as you can say that it's not... Music shouldn't speak to the masses, music should speak to the individual... If this piece of music speaks to us, so be it, it doesn't mean that we are better than you, though from your ignorance I'm assuming we are...
And he doesn't write in "serialism", he writes in "expressionism" serialism is a tool, not a method... And he didn't do it to break "structure" he did it to express his inner self
@MegaDrinkwater This music makes you angry? Why? Do you get THAT scared listening to something different? MegaDrinkwater, everybody is different in one way or another from everybody else. Some people are more different than others. Some people don't TRY to be more different, they just ARE. True that some people seek attention by being different, but others just happen to think about things differently and offer us a chance to view things, or hear things, from a different perspective.
As a wise man once said, "Sports and the arts, especially music, are of no comparison to one and other. With sports, your role as a player or an athlete is restricted to the standards and practice of that sport. But in music, there are no boundaries, all decisions to be made are yours, you start off with nothing and you put in whatever you want were you want out of all the instruments you can imagine, people who break the status quo have music on their set, and I don't mean radio."
I posted my girlfriend's atonal piece of music on youtube. She wrote it by clicking randomly on staves using my computer's composition. Somehow it still ended up sounding about the same as any other atonal piece of music. You can do a youtube search for it looking for "Teclas Blancas by Nelle S. Atinol".
I'm a music student, I've been exposed to all different types of classical music my entire life, including atonal music. I've studied it's various forms, based on geometric shapes, mathematical patterns and such. I understand how it's constructed. But upon listening to it, I still find it incomprehensible. I'm sure Webern was brilliant. But I find his musical idiom so vacant and devoid of any real expression. Sorry, I understand this music, but I don't get it!
@UnDead483 That's fine Undead- you never have to explain if you don't like something... there are also those who like this but don't understand it too...they simply like alien nature of it... I am one who likes it and gets it... It's cool to listen to with your eyes closed or in the dark....
@UnDead483 So you understand Webern's music, but you don't get it, because it is "devoid of any real expression"?:) Well, if you really understood it, you'd know total serialism is entirely focused on structure, not feelings or emotions. My suggestion: Try Berg first, he was also Schoenberg's pupil, but in order to make the 12-tone technique more digestible, he even broke some of Schoenberg's rules (like the use of consecutive thirds in his Violin Concerto, for example). I think you'll like it.
...very good piece, a bit sad, not so disonant as some body say. Still we can put this as classical music, I mean, there s really more disonants compositions with electricity in other types of music and in non "western" music. I can add that this type of compositions is very related to Germany and Austria and that kind of places where the people is much structurated than in most places (see their cities from the sky; very different than Italian, Spanish or even anglosaxon cities). Im a musician
I decided to go ahead and make put girlfriend's atonal piece of music into video format to put it on youtube. She wrote it by clicking randomly on staves using my composition computer software but somehow still ended up sounding as amazing as any other atonal master composer. You can do a youtube search for it looking for "Symphony of Keys by Lonita Smithers".
My girlfriend wrote a piece like this using the composition software on my computer. She randomly clicked different places on the staves to add notes. It sounds a lot like this piece! I am planning on getting some instrumentalists together to play it so I can record it and post it on youtube. She could even get discovered and published as an atonal composer! Exciting! :)
@yokombo Actually, I have studied atonal composition extensively and do understand it but it definitely is still not enjoyable to me. To paraphrase what normloman said to lyubomirgt "I find it pretty smug and conceited to assume anyone who doesn't like (atonal) music just "doesn't get it". Perhaps they understand the music, but still find it boring." Just so I don't take it out of context, normloman stated that he likes atonal music.
@rionrustle only a Britney Spears fan can not recognise the difference between Webern and his girlfriend. I hope you recognise at least the optical difference between the two...:) Have fun with shallow non-music "enjoyment", life is so short, one chooses himself how to anyway throw it in the garbage, everybody his own way, i prefer Webern garbage to Britney Spears, and she is a better composer than your girlfriend, unfortunately, so far, Marino.
@09de10ce65nt You're right! Britney Spears definitely IS a better composer/musician than my girlfriend. Her songs have rhythm, dynamics, chords, form, varied instrumentation and even lyrics! All my girl did was click random notes onto staves using my composition software to create her piece since she has no musical training whatsoever. She could NEVER write music as complicated as pop! She can still write a pretty good atonal piece though. Search for "Teclas Blancas" by Nelle Atinol to hear it!
it's not boring once u listen to it carefully. u must rid your entire pre-existing premise of classical music, harmonies, and chords. there is a structure to this kind of music, just that the notes which the structure contain represent raw, unaltered emotions which do not have to be constrained by conventional classical harmonic progressions.
Okay people, just to clear this up. Getting into atonality is just like getting into any new genre, whether it be hip hop or heavy metal. You have to some time listening to some of the traditional classics (eg. illmatic or Webern op. 21 - 31) and get used to the feel. The first few hours might not make much sense, but then you'll start to get it. No mathematical understanding necessary.
Okay people, just to clear this up. Getting into atonality is just like getting into any new genre, whether it be hip hop or heavy metal. You have to some time listening to some of the traditional classics (eg. illmatic or Webern op. 21 - 31) and get used to the feel. The first few hours might not make much sense, but then you'll start to get it. No mathematical understanding necessary.
Okay people, just to clear this up. Getting into atonality is just like getting into any new genre, whether it be hip hop or heavy metal. You have to some time listening to some of the traditional classics (eg. illmatic or Webern op. 21 - 31) and get used to the feel. The first few hours might not make much sense, but then you'll start to get it. No mathematical understanding necessary.
Okay people, just to clear this up. Getting into atonality is just like getting into any new genre, whether it be hip hop or heavy metal. You have to some time listening to some of the traditional classics (eg. illmatic or Webern op. 21 - 31) and get used to the feel. The first few hours might not make much sense, but then you'll start to get it. No mathematical understanding necessary.
@mrfishbowls Okay people, just to clear this up. Getting into atonality is just like getting into any new genre, whether it be hip hop or heavy metal. You have to some time listening to some of the traditional classics (eg. illmatic or Webern op. 21 - 31) and get used to the feel. The first few hours might not make much sense, but then you'll start to get it. No mathematical understanding necessary.
And one more thing: When did this principle of tonality become a paradigm? Theoretically, the order of notes which are considered tonal could have been any ones at all. So the note patterns that are now considered tonal are arbitrary. Does anyone disagree?
@adognamedsally Tonality became a paradigm at the creation/birth of the universe. Like gravity & electromagnetic force, it is inherent & we cannot change it. There is nothing arbitrary about it & it is independent of our species, & even life itself. I’d like to suggest reading something about consonance, i.e. harmony, & dissonance, i.e. clashing, & the physics that explain them.
@gretaelisif Its all fine for you to say that tonality came into existence with the universe, and to a certain extent i agree. There are certainly physical properties of sound that would imply an intrinsic quality of tonality. I assume that you know what I mean. I know at least enough about the physical properties of sound to understand that. My question has more to do with the anthropology of sound however. How is it that the human species has developed the ear for sound that it has?
@gretaelisif Also, I think it is important to look at this matter holistically, because different cultures have developed different tastes for music. One example that I have in my mind is the music of ancient Japanese courts. It is highly discordant and does not resemble the music of the West, but there is no doubt that to the people who would have been contemporary to that sound, in that society, that that sound would have sounded cordant to them.
@adognamedsally A study in 2008 on dissonance shows that the *unpleasantness* of dissonance is hard-wired into humans, but the toleration differs in cultures. They tested to see if the Mafa people of Cameroon (who are known to play discordant music) preferred a dissonant version of a Western composition over a consonant one. They preferred the consonant one, but they were less agitated to the dissonant version than Western listeners.
@Tengent You know, that is interesting. And i would like to thank you for supplying some actual evidence for your argument. So, I guess that we have been influenced in our evolution by the physical properties of sound to have a tendency to like consonant music, but our tolerance differs on exposure... oh well. I would have liked to think that the notes were completely arbitrary, but it would seem that I am not quite right.
@gretaelisif So, I guess what this comes down to is this: there are intrinsic properties to sound and tonality in a physical sense. However, the interpretation of sound and tonality vary per culture and specific circumstance. My question has less to do with physics than it does with evolution.
@gretaelisif What is the definition of 'tonality'? If you're thinking Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, you'd be wrong. Their music is based on an invented scale - "Equal Temperament Scale" where there's no true perfect 5th, no true perfect 4th. Actually, no true anything. It's a compromise so composers could expand upon their 'invented' harmonic language. In other words, traditional western classical music has nothing to do with 'the creation/birth of the universe' - it's just music.
i love this music! Our brains have become so saturated with predictable, formulaic music that we take the music of tonality for granted. Pop music is just so expected and cookie-cutter that there is nothing requiring the listener's attention to grasp. With atonalism though, it is raw emotion. A ferment of notes, devoid of the well-known cadence of tonal music.
Is this 12 ton-music? ( I don't know how it is in english) You have to listen more siriously. Just because the melody is atonal it doesn't mean it doesn't bear a message. I like it
As a composer and theorist, I'm a little taken aback by some of the people here. It seems there's a lot of elitism and anti-elitism being thrown about. Knowing the historical context and being aware of the compositional means behind this piece, I don't like it. I just don't. How about the "educated" stop acting so high and mighty and if someone doesn't like this it's because they're a fool, and anyone who doesn't like it, that's fine, but don't call bull**** on the composer just because of that.
After years of listening to Webern and Schoenberg, I finally had that "aha!" moment and realized just how bitchin' awesome those composers were. Really hard music to get into, but the rewards are worth it.
"You people are retards, if you like this piece of steaming shit it doesn't mean you've got a finer taste in music and the people that "don't" like it are unintelligent and wrong. Simply put, if this is your idea of music you deserve to have your ears cut off you dumb shit. This is artsy fartsy shit at it's best, and you're all douchebag dumbasses."
Yeah and I bet you consider the idea that top 40 and teeny bopper sounds really do qualify as music. Huh?
@j4unumber1 You should try taking that large cylindrical object out from the inside of your rectum; it might make it easier for you to listen to non-modal music. Oh and this music actually has a very interesting and rich history involving alot of bothering people like you, so thanks for keeping the memory alive.
It's not a matter of taste, it's a matter of knowing why and how; Then perhaps you will develop the dissernment to appreciate.
This music has it's place in music history for its message in the social context of the time and the full achievement of serialism.
Perhaps one day you will finally get music that is over a century old... Through, I doubt it. I don't want to know what you think about the music that is made today, you will probably never have any idea how great it is.
You people are retards, if you like this piece of steaming shit it doesn't mean you've got a finer taste in music and the people that "don't" like it are unintelligent and wrong. Simply put, if this is your idea of music you deserve to have your ears cut off you dumb shit. This is artsy fartsy shit at it's best, and you're all douchebag dumbasses.
I can almost imagine, Anton webern sitting drunk as shit at his desk composing this.
@FranzLisztian Yeah, since i live in Reykjavík i guess you might be right.. damn, i won't be able to enjoy weberns "mathematically logical" music again, oh well, there's plenty of other music that's not pure crap, i think i'll manage.
@pallmanni Wow.... you're really a very unpleasant person. You know, I have no problem with people not liking a certain kind of music. Not every piece is for everybody. But to insult others who genuinely like a piece is stupid. Its also unfair to assume the intentions of the composer. I think Webern's goal was to create beautiful music, just as any composer would strive to, and just because it doesn't catch YOUR ear doesn't make this any less valid as a piece of musical beauty.
@DarkZekeX, musical beauty is generally based on harmony that was and is created through scales, in western music, as you probably know, mainly through the major and minor scale(s).so, in my opinion, seeing his music as musically beautiful and also judging his intentions on creating beautiful music is quite wrong. I see dissonant music much more as a medium to affect listeners emotionally rather than showing them something beautiful
@Ghruul Thats kinda a narrow-minded view on art. I think that you can find beauty in any work of art, and harmony is not the only thing that makes music beautiful. And aren't most pieces of music used as a medium to affect listeners emotionally?
@DarkZekeX, well, thats the general view on art and also on music. so, for most people, a "beautiful musical piece" can be explained as a sequence of systematically notes put together, or, in a other words, a musical piece, where scales are used in "nice" way. however, nowadays practically anyone can use scales and create music this way. Thats why this kind of music has for the most part lost its charm for me, seems like a planned manipulation... dissonant music though is a lot more expressional
To those who are here to criticize: If this is boring and you don't like it, just go find something more digestible for your minds, but you don't have to insult the composer simply because you don't understand his music.
It's been forever like this, the "prima pratica" and "seconda pratica"; Those people who refuses to understand and open their minds to something different or at the minimum try to understand it's place in history and why it is still played a century later.
I happen to like the music. However, I find it pretty smug and conceited to assume anyone who doesn't like the music just "doesn't get it". Perhaps they understand the music, but still find it boring. This piece, like all music, is not for everyone.
Yes, this music is definitely not for everyone, but primarily for classical musicians and fans of contemporary classical music, and requires some study and intellectual capacity above the average in order to understand it. Therefore, no one who understands it would start insulting Webern, not only because they would know what its purpose is, but also because it is rude and shows complete lack of manners and class, which would contradicts with the intelligence of such listeners.
I wonder what kind of people would just click on a Webern's link and, instead of listening and enjoying it, start criticizing his music, making fool of themselves.
I'm not calling anyone narrow-minded or another "I'm-better-than-you-because-I-apreciate-this" thing. But there's probably no good reasons to hate a piece of art, there are only reasons to love something. Webern was a very revolutionary composer in the age he lived. And I like it. It's actually the first abstract composition one had ever made. Can you imagine that? You should respect that! It has some sort of swampy identity the whole pïece. I love it.
This is probably one of those "acquired taste" things or something.
It isn't beautiful or aesthetically pleasing to me, but I don't think that the sole merit of the composition is that it was written by a famous guy; there's probably a layer of technical expertise that isn't evident to the casual listener. I don't understand Webern, but based on what I know, I don't think he's complete nonsense.
John cage on the other hand, I do think is complete nonsense.
its not shallow definition, its the practical definition. Im not gonna say this horrible music is good just become come decently famous dude wrote it. Even if you are really into music, doesnt mean you have to say EVERYTHING is good. This sounds bad, and if you actually think this is good, then you need to stop kidding yourself
This sort of music is more meant to be discussed than listened to for entertainment. This was written at the height of acoustic experimenting. It certainly doesn't have a tune, but what it does have is a very complex, mathmatic and logical score. It takes extremes of music complexity. Again, not "pretty" by most standards, but instead an interesting study for composition.
There are these cool things, called differing opinions, why don't we all accept they exist and move on.
jimmyz512 1 day ago
I don't think that there are many people who will ever enjoy this music. It's too complex most common people, and it's not very pleasant to listen to at first.
pyrosplodeyflames 3 weeks ago
Over 110,000 hits and going strong! Who would have thought Webern could attract this much attention? Maybe some music directors of symphonies should be aware of this. Webern isn't the big bad wolf of 20th century music. ...in reality, this is quite beautiful.
willjooo 1 month ago
seems like Mr Zappa (an american last i heard) had quite a handle on this type of music.
tonewall1 2 months ago
webern was the more melodic interpreter of Schoenberg's 12 tone row style.
jusnihei 2 months ago
This music is not for Americans.
sorry, but its too difficult for them.
Musorgsky 2 months ago
@Musorgsky Plenty of American composers have written in this style. But I sense you were trying to imply that Americans are somehow uncultured and unable to listen to this music. If you think that then you're just an ignorant fool. I'm American and I listen to this and many other 20th century as well as contemporary classical composers. And I know plenty of other Americans that do as well.
autumnreign78 2 months ago 4
@Musorgsky I'm an American and I have the highest rated comment on this video.
BigBruinekool 3 weeks ago
@Musorgsky I wouldn't be bragging if I were you...whatever your name is.
OneDownServer 4 days ago
thats not cool its very stupide !!!!!!!
violette613 3 months ago
This is really cool!
earthwitch323 4 months ago
I have to analyze this music in class. I can't wait. <3
Henriksdottir 4 months ago
I find all the comments about this atonality stuff funny...personally I find this quite listenable for Webern and atonality. I've heard much much worse than this. Crumb's black angels for instance. Now thats some dissonance.
autumnreign78 5 months ago 3
@autumnreign78 Hahaha, Black Angels is EXACTLY what came to my mind while I was reading the comments and thought, "you want A-tonal..." Even black angels though... while I wouldn't listen to it in my car, is interesting. This piece at least hints towards a melodic movement and occasionally a key, suggesting tonality. It's not like it's a barrage of random sounds attacking your ears.
BustTheNotes 2 months ago
this music plays when I have sex
sirshitsalot007 5 months ago
Theme song for creepy robot-like people, like me...
ARunnerNamedClay 7 months ago 3
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saremo 7 months ago
Hmm, it's ironic that Webern practices serialism and happens to look like a serial killer...
RHINOthePWNERER 8 months ago 4
@RHINOthePWNERER I don't think you know what irony means.
ApplesWithCheese 8 months ago 8
@ApplesWithCheese How ironic.....
larsporsena38 8 months ago
@RHINOthePWNERER Or that he was killed by an American GI, which may have already killed someone else before him...
FrosDOwnz 7 months ago
@RHINOthePWNERER serial music and serial killer lol.i'm sure he eats cereal for breakfast.
MrAkihiros 6 months ago 3
Just to think this is some of the first music Frank Zappa came into contact. Webern and Varese, especially this piece. Frank Zappa's music didn't make sense to a lot of people, by the way; and for some others he was a genius. I guess it depends on how much sense of the outrageous people may have. Either way, it's hard to label Zappa's music, and that makes it even more interesting and appealing.
Imsteppenwolf 8 months ago
this is amazing
if you like this you might like
gabriel williams dancing with the schizophrenic
chiledofthekorn 9 months ago
I barely made it through high school and have no plans to further my education. I'm entirely self-taught on all this, so some may think me unqualified to comment, but Jesus Christ, people, it's music. It's beautiful and it's ugly in it's own way just like everything else. To fully appreciate this type of music, you have to appreciate the beauty and the ugliness, because even that can be beautiful. If you don't like it, then you don't. Go with your gut. Don't judge others for not liking it.
BigBruinekool 9 months ago 33
@BigBruinekool your words in my mouth!
Everything is special in it's own way,there's waaay too much to like :)
And this is one of the things.
I love it!
greetings,respect and all the best JJ
and Merry Christmas :>
JJStuffEngineering 1 month ago
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Easleytee 3 days ago
@BigBruinekool
There's nothing remotely or suggestively ugly about Webern's art music.
Apparently your brain tumor has reached a point of critical mass.
Imbecile.
Easleytee 3 days ago
serial composing.... now this is what I call ridiculous.
the dodecaphonic music is a joke. they were just a bunch of elitists pretending to appreciate the 'non-appreciable', trying to expand their perception to something absolutely hypocritical. they couldn't even express their feelings, cos if they made sense, they should discard them.
pedrocollares 9 months ago
@pedrocollares this music doesn´t have feeling? you must be joking...
prazakvbrne 8 months ago
My point is this: sound has to be taken in context. Hearing atonal "noise" that occurs naturally, that doesn't claim to be music, is not destructive. But music is about ordered communication; atonal music, not having a center, has no basis. It's just chaos, pure and simple - it sounds exactly like a rotting corpse, or perhaps the quasi-psychosis of a deeply depressed borderline personality. And I went to Eastman School of Music - I know what I'm talking about.
KhagarBalugrak 9 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak The Chinese are actually a good example. They used semi-tone scales for years before Western music came about. I like Beethoven and I like Mozart, but I also can enjoy atonal music from time to time. I also happen to be a music student. But I'm sorry that I'm not "natural" to you...
MrKain1000 9 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak Oh, and one more thing...A lot of atonal music is "ordered". Schoenberg's twelve tone row has a very strict system of notation. It's just a different system than we're used to. You don't have to like it, but that's no reason to fear it...
MrKain1000 9 months ago
@MrKain1000, yes, it's ordered, but not in a gentle, life-affirming way. Sadly, atonal music has been proven to kill plants. I plan on replicating the experiment I read about so I can say I've done an experiment myself. Really, I do wish atonal music was a good thing. I wish it was good for people to listen to. But as it's not, we just have to find something else to entertain ourselves with.
KhagarBalugrak 9 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak I half feel like your just kidding around...Like, I just can't imagine someone using the idea of something not being gentle or life-affirming as a real counterpoint when we're talking about how an oboe not playing in a key could kill something. It's clear that you don't enjoy atonal music (that's fine)...I'm sorry that it's developed for you into some detrimental illusion. Good luck.
MrKain1000 9 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak who cares about your stupid plants. music is not supposed to be utilitarian
nomanibot999 5 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak I refuse to allow houseplants to determine my musical tastes.
rickintx1125 3 weeks ago
@MrKain1000, another thing: I did do an experiment for science class on the effects of different types of music on plants. The plants that listened to Gandharva Veda (Indian classical music) grew very large and perfectly straight, uniformly. The plants that listened to Bach grew almost as well, but not quite as straight, but the difference was insignificant. The plants that listened to acid rock - well, many didn't even sprout at all. Those that lived were small, stumpy and twisted.
KhagarBalugrak 9 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak You sound like a Nazi - only certain styles of music are 'acceptable', the rest are 'degenerate'. You have such a narrow perspective. Personally, I've attained great inspiration and emotional fulfillment from both Webern and Bach (...and tons of other musics from a variety of styles - tonal, atonal, electronic, sonic-based, folk, etc). You want to live in your narrow world - go ahead have fun, but I could never limit myself to such a close-minded perspective.
willjooo 9 months ago
There's a natural expectation when one sits down to listen to something. (Of course, the people who love atonal music have disconnected from their hearts in terms of being able to internalize and listen to music, so they have unnatural expectations.) The NATURAL expectation is to hear well-ordered, tonal sound. It's like you hear someone burp; that's not destructive. But if you ask someone for their advice on your failing marriage, and they just burp at you, you are rightly offended!
KhagarBalugrak 9 months ago
@matdsku ***played
dustinbrown010 9 months ago
This kind of music is not made for people who don't really understand notes, or anything about classical music. I find classical music genious, and it has some fragile beauty.
I've plaid the violin for 8 years now, so i know what i'm talking about.
matdsku 9 months ago
@matdsku you dont know shit
StevenGomezMusic 9 months ago
Bjork once said she liked Arvo Part's music because he gives the listener room to move around. I think the same is true for Webern's music. Thanks for posting poldi24.
QMPhilosophe 9 months ago
wow am i going to die!
PurpleShame 10 months ago
lol i don't think you have to react so much on that, millions of people have listened to atonal music, and not one of them was destroyed lol.
lol why comment on such a childish thought xd
andrewbautista23 10 months ago 3
Atonal music is destructive to living things. It's been proven in numerous scientific studies. Listen to this at your own expense.
KhagarBalugrak 10 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak
Listen to Oscillation Cycles by Blotted Science and then tell me you don't feel more alive and less destroyed than you were beforehand!
todaystomsawyer 10 months ago
@todaystomsawyer Amen.
RenegadeExpressVideo 9 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak "Atonal music is destructive to living things" - got to be one of the craziest things I've ever heard. What is 'atonal' music? Music that has no tonic? What about music that has shifting tonal centers - is this 'destructive atonal music'? What about music using rotating pitch cells? Invented scales? Ethnic musics that use different intonations? Sonic based music? The actual definition of 'atonal' is rather suspect and then to say it's 'destructive' is just downright silly.
willjooo 10 months ago 2
@willjooo, this claim is only "silly" if you're willing to laugh off multiple well-documented, meticulous experiments that prove that the music of Schoenberg, Webern, and others destroy living things. Plants can only hear their music for about three weeks, a few hours a day, before they die.
It's funny, people who deny the reality of global warming have the exact same attitude toward scientific research that you're displaying here.
KhagarBalugrak 10 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak Please provide us all with information regarding these so called 'multiple well-documented, meticulous experiments'. Who are the scientists doing these experiments? If you're going to make this claim, you better back it up with some empirical evidence.
willjooo 10 months ago
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@KhagarBalugrak "It's funny, people who deny the reality of global warming have the exact same attitude toward scientific research that you're displaying here."
What you're peddling is not science, but pseudo-science. And of course, you only happen to be a global warming ideologue.
Coincidence? I think not.
RogueRotting360 9 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak I would also like to know about those experiments. Not agreeing nor disagreeing with you, but I know there are scientific studies on the area, such as cows milking to Mozart and indians approving of Bach.
cactusnoturno 9 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak Where is this proof? How does this make any sense at all? What's the difference between listening to atonal music and tonal music with regards to how the human body works and functions? That would be like suggesting that all non-tonal noise is detrimental to health. We hear that every day ALL of the time. This makes no sense.
MrKain1000 9 months ago
@MrKain1000, except that the non-tonal noise we hear often IS destructive. Think of cars, busses, planes - people who live near airports, busy roads, where they hear all this noise suffer tons of health problems. As for the non-destructive noise - the chirping of birds, etc., the difference between that and this is that THAT NOISE DOESN'T TRY TO BE MUSIC. Music isn't just sound; it's well-ordered sound with a sonorous and beautiful quality. And composing atonal "music" is a betrayal of that.
KhagarBalugrak 9 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak Yes, sometimes non-tonal noise is destructive, but certainly, it doesn't "kill us". Potted plants and gardens hear a lot of that same noise as well, yet they thrive. You don't provide proof...Only opinion. The only reason why it's natural for people to expect tonal music is because we've been conditioned that way. There are tribes of Indians and other cultures who only knew of non-westernized music, which used odd scales with semitones we can't even distinquish.
MrKain1000 9 months ago
Great orchestration. Although I do rather wish it were tonal. But really really good orchestration.
RandomTask3000 10 months ago
it sounds like C chromatic nice try
gen6k 10 months ago
Webern is the most influential composer of the 20th century.Far bolder and revolutionary then Schoenberg.His exact and rigorous works continue to inspire musicians.Everyone from Stockhausen to Zappa have felt his impact. .The symphony is one of his later masterpieces and a personel favourite of mine.Long live Webern!
dogshy61 10 months ago
Forward to 6:44 for the best part.
Sicilianmandolin 10 months ago
@Sicilianmandolin zing.
miisack 10 months ago
oooh this guy is gorgeus, Stockhausen recommened this and oooh he was so exact, again thanks Karl for having such an exquisite taste for music!! <3
pcpablo7 11 months ago
Why does this music frighten people? The textures are so fragile and delicate. Every gorgeous line is exposed. This piece has such a wonderful clarity of texture; such introverted expressionism. I find the people that really hate this music are not Babbitt's "man on the street," but rather the blank-blank-Philharmonic season ticket holders - those who know just enough about music to be closed-minded about it.
swazbuzzler 11 months ago
Excellent ! Juicy and deep-digger !
I know that is classified as "expresionism" but it doesn't sound expresionist to me at all.
DrLux 1 year ago
THIS IS SUCH AN EVIL EVIL SONG
IT PRETENDS TO MOVE WITHOUT MOVING
I LISTEN AND FIND MYSELF WITHOUT REASON TO.
nlmnml 1 year ago
@nlmnml I like your comment, hehe. Its almost like accidental poetry of Donald Rumsfeld.
iamalittlespy 1 year ago
You can't say its a great piece of music,
you just want to be different, because somehow that makes you better. You want us to think you understand this music on a totally different level of intellect.
I understand why he started writing in serialism, to break the conventional structure of the time. but that means nothing to me because all this music does for me is make me really really angry.
MegaDrinkwater 1 year ago
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@MegaDrinkwater so do not listen, if you don't understand.
dcmn00 1 year ago
@MegaDrinkwater Nah.
MusicaRicercata 1 year ago
@MegaDrinkwater so what exactly is a great piece of music, idiot? isn't it subjective to the person listening? it's a great piece of music to me because it strikes a chord. don't belittle other people's music tastes with your ignorance!
ZanderPodraza 1 year ago
@MegaDrinkwater We can say that this is great piece of music, just as you can say that it's not... Music shouldn't speak to the masses, music should speak to the individual... If this piece of music speaks to us, so be it, it doesn't mean that we are better than you, though from your ignorance I'm assuming we are...
And he doesn't write in "serialism", he writes in "expressionism" serialism is a tool, not a method... And he didn't do it to break "structure" he did it to express his inner self
tsdeyoun 1 year ago
@MegaDrinkwater This music makes you angry? Why? Do you get THAT scared listening to something different? MegaDrinkwater, everybody is different in one way or another from everybody else. Some people are more different than others. Some people don't TRY to be more different, they just ARE. True that some people seek attention by being different, but others just happen to think about things differently and offer us a chance to view things, or hear things, from a different perspective.
deecee10000 11 months ago
lol i feel like im in shutter island
andrewbautista23 1 year ago
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andrewbautista23 1 year ago
As a wise man once said, "Sports and the arts, especially music, are of no comparison to one and other. With sports, your role as a player or an athlete is restricted to the standards and practice of that sport. But in music, there are no boundaries, all decisions to be made are yours, you start off with nothing and you put in whatever you want were you want out of all the instruments you can imagine, people who break the status quo have music on their set, and I don't mean radio."
TheBomber15 1 year ago
Remember, there are no rules in music. Just listen and enjoy.
LGshwm 1 year ago
There a mist of mystery and excellence..
That travels in my mind and soul..
When i hear Webern...Out brief candle
Life and the shadows we become.
johnnynoirman 1 year ago
it's just a great piece of music!
uhj4 1 year ago
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chorister88 1 year ago
lol, this is the shit
aSignificanceBox 1 year ago
It's like the sound of atoms being pulled apart.
kungfuandcoffee 1 year ago
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I posted my girlfriend's atonal piece of music on youtube. She wrote it by clicking randomly on staves using my computer's composition. Somehow it still ended up sounding about the same as any other atonal piece of music. You can do a youtube search for it looking for "Teclas Blancas by Nelle S. Atinol".
rionrustle 1 year ago
awesomemusic
BlindedinChains444 1 year ago
I'm a music student, I've been exposed to all different types of classical music my entire life, including atonal music. I've studied it's various forms, based on geometric shapes, mathematical patterns and such. I understand how it's constructed. But upon listening to it, I still find it incomprehensible. I'm sure Webern was brilliant. But I find his musical idiom so vacant and devoid of any real expression. Sorry, I understand this music, but I don't get it!
UnDead483 1 year ago
@UnDead483 That's fine Undead- you never have to explain if you don't like something... there are also those who like this but don't understand it too...they simply like alien nature of it... I am one who likes it and gets it... It's cool to listen to with your eyes closed or in the dark....
StephenHalloran 1 year ago
@UnDead483 Stick to your philip glass, faggot.
Bodycage 1 year ago
@Bodycage Wow... At least I was respectful to the composer. You need anger management dude. And by the way, I love Philip Glass.
UnDead483 1 year ago
@UnDead483 Haha, why am I not surprised you'd like a hack such as him? You need faggot management 'dude'.
Bodycage 1 year ago
@UnDead483 So you understand Webern's music, but you don't get it, because it is "devoid of any real expression"?:) Well, if you really understood it, you'd know total serialism is entirely focused on structure, not feelings or emotions. My suggestion: Try Berg first, he was also Schoenberg's pupil, but in order to make the 12-tone technique more digestible, he even broke some of Schoenberg's rules (like the use of consecutive thirds in his Violin Concerto, for example). I think you'll like it.
lyubomirgt 1 year ago
@lyubomirgt Despite it's rigid structure, an opera like wozzeck is still one of the most emotional heartfelt operas ever written.
vacuouss1 1 year ago
@lyubomirgt Schoenberg himself broke most of his rules.
Hyardacil 1 year ago
...continue,
so I play stringed instruments and have a very large collection of records from all kind of music styles from around the world.
So as previously I mentioned structured I note too that most of Germanic, etc classical music do not have Africa...
TheReverb1 1 year ago
...very good piece, a bit sad, not so disonant as some body say. Still we can put this as classical music, I mean, there s really more disonants compositions with electricity in other types of music and in non "western" music. I can add that this type of compositions is very related to Germany and Austria and that kind of places where the people is much structurated than in most places (see their cities from the sky; very different than Italian, Spanish or even anglosaxon cities). Im a musician
TheReverb1 1 year ago
I decided to go ahead and make put girlfriend's atonal piece of music into video format to put it on youtube. She wrote it by clicking randomly on staves using my composition computer software but somehow still ended up sounding as amazing as any other atonal master composer. You can do a youtube search for it looking for "Symphony of Keys by Lonita Smithers".
rionrustle 1 year ago
My girlfriend wrote a piece like this using the composition software on my computer. She randomly clicked different places on the staves to add notes. It sounds a lot like this piece! I am planning on getting some instrumentalists together to play it so I can record it and post it on youtube. She could even get discovered and published as an atonal composer! Exciting! :)
rionrustle 1 year ago
@rionrustle
*lol* read a scientific textbook or monography on twelve tone theory and composition.
yokombo 1 year ago
@yokombo Actually, I have studied atonal composition extensively and do understand it but it definitely is still not enjoyable to me. To paraphrase what normloman said to lyubomirgt "I find it pretty smug and conceited to assume anyone who doesn't like (atonal) music just "doesn't get it". Perhaps they understand the music, but still find it boring." Just so I don't take it out of context, normloman stated that he likes atonal music.
rionrustle 1 year ago
@rionrustle only a Britney Spears fan can not recognise the difference between Webern and his girlfriend. I hope you recognise at least the optical difference between the two...:) Have fun with shallow non-music "enjoyment", life is so short, one chooses himself how to anyway throw it in the garbage, everybody his own way, i prefer Webern garbage to Britney Spears, and she is a better composer than your girlfriend, unfortunately, so far, Marino.
09de10ce65nt 1 year ago
@09de10ce65nt You're right! Britney Spears definitely IS a better composer/musician than my girlfriend. Her songs have rhythm, dynamics, chords, form, varied instrumentation and even lyrics! All my girl did was click random notes onto staves using my composition software to create her piece since she has no musical training whatsoever. She could NEVER write music as complicated as pop! She can still write a pretty good atonal piece though. Search for "Teclas Blancas" by Nelle Atinol to hear it!
rionrustle 1 year ago
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rionrustle 1 year ago
it's not boring once u listen to it carefully. u must rid your entire pre-existing premise of classical music, harmonies, and chords. there is a structure to this kind of music, just that the notes which the structure contain represent raw, unaltered emotions which do not have to be constrained by conventional classical harmonic progressions.
jojopooo 1 year ago
Genius!
Just hate the fact he died shot by a stupid idiot.
patrickandrews 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this deeply thoughtful and beautiful music.
wkhhh 1 year ago
Jajajaja PEOPLE! this is music.
Atael 1 year ago
please, is it (semiatonal) dodecaphony?
7867088 1 year ago
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Okay people, just to clear this up. Getting into atonality is just like getting into any new genre, whether it be hip hop or heavy metal. You have to some time listening to some of the traditional classics (eg. illmatic or Webern op. 21 - 31) and get used to the feel. The first few hours might not make much sense, but then you'll start to get it. No mathematical understanding necessary.
mrfishbowls 1 year ago
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Okay people, just to clear this up. Getting into atonality is just like getting into any new genre, whether it be hip hop or heavy metal. You have to some time listening to some of the traditional classics (eg. illmatic or Webern op. 21 - 31) and get used to the feel. The first few hours might not make much sense, but then you'll start to get it. No mathematical understanding necessary.
mrfishbowls 1 year ago
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Okay people, just to clear this up. Getting into atonality is just like getting into any new genre, whether it be hip hop or heavy metal. You have to some time listening to some of the traditional classics (eg. illmatic or Webern op. 21 - 31) and get used to the feel. The first few hours might not make much sense, but then you'll start to get it. No mathematical understanding necessary.
mrfishbowls 1 year ago
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Okay people, just to clear this up. Getting into atonality is just like getting into any new genre, whether it be hip hop or heavy metal. You have to some time listening to some of the traditional classics (eg. illmatic or Webern op. 21 - 31) and get used to the feel. The first few hours might not make much sense, but then you'll start to get it. No mathematical understanding necessary.
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mrfishbowls 1 year ago
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@mrfishbowls Okay people, just to clear this up. Getting into atonality is just like getting into any new genre, whether it be hip hop or heavy metal. You have to some time listening to some of the traditional classics (eg. illmatic or Webern op. 21 - 31) and get used to the feel. The first few hours might not make much sense, but then you'll start to get it. No mathematical understanding necessary.
mrfishbowls 1 year ago
I am more sure that this music is spectacular...Anton Webern has caught my heart...Even if i listen other musical geners but i love this music
IBelongToTheMusic 1 year ago
And one more thing: When did this principle of tonality become a paradigm? Theoretically, the order of notes which are considered tonal could have been any ones at all. So the note patterns that are now considered tonal are arbitrary. Does anyone disagree?
adognamedsally 1 year ago
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gretaelisif 1 year ago
@adognamedsally Tonality became a paradigm at the creation/birth of the universe. Like gravity & electromagnetic force, it is inherent & we cannot change it. There is nothing arbitrary about it & it is independent of our species, & even life itself. I’d like to suggest reading something about consonance, i.e. harmony, & dissonance, i.e. clashing, & the physics that explain them.
gretaelisif 1 year ago
@gretaelisif Its all fine for you to say that tonality came into existence with the universe, and to a certain extent i agree. There are certainly physical properties of sound that would imply an intrinsic quality of tonality. I assume that you know what I mean. I know at least enough about the physical properties of sound to understand that. My question has more to do with the anthropology of sound however. How is it that the human species has developed the ear for sound that it has?
adognamedsally 1 year ago
@gretaelisif Also, I think it is important to look at this matter holistically, because different cultures have developed different tastes for music. One example that I have in my mind is the music of ancient Japanese courts. It is highly discordant and does not resemble the music of the West, but there is no doubt that to the people who would have been contemporary to that sound, in that society, that that sound would have sounded cordant to them.
adognamedsally 1 year ago
@adognamedsally A study in 2008 on dissonance shows that the *unpleasantness* of dissonance is hard-wired into humans, but the toleration differs in cultures. They tested to see if the Mafa people of Cameroon (who are known to play discordant music) preferred a dissonant version of a Western composition over a consonant one. They preferred the consonant one, but they were less agitated to the dissonant version than Western listeners.
Tengent 1 year ago
@Tengent You know, that is interesting. And i would like to thank you for supplying some actual evidence for your argument. So, I guess that we have been influenced in our evolution by the physical properties of sound to have a tendency to like consonant music, but our tolerance differs on exposure... oh well. I would have liked to think that the notes were completely arbitrary, but it would seem that I am not quite right.
adognamedsally 1 year ago
@gretaelisif So, I guess what this comes down to is this: there are intrinsic properties to sound and tonality in a physical sense. However, the interpretation of sound and tonality vary per culture and specific circumstance. My question has less to do with physics than it does with evolution.
adognamedsally 1 year ago
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"Tonality became a paradigm at the creation/birth of the universe. Like gravity & electromagnetic force, it is inherent & we cannot change it."
We can politely disagree with it, though. That's the beauty of art.
sirmustapha 1 year ago
@gretaelisif What is the definition of 'tonality'? If you're thinking Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, you'd be wrong. Their music is based on an invented scale - "Equal Temperament Scale" where there's no true perfect 5th, no true perfect 4th. Actually, no true anything. It's a compromise so composers could expand upon their 'invented' harmonic language. In other words, traditional western classical music has nothing to do with 'the creation/birth of the universe' - it's just music.
willjooo 1 year ago
i love this music! Our brains have become so saturated with predictable, formulaic music that we take the music of tonality for granted. Pop music is just so expected and cookie-cutter that there is nothing requiring the listener's attention to grasp. With atonalism though, it is raw emotion. A ferment of notes, devoid of the well-known cadence of tonal music.
adognamedsally 1 year ago
How deaf do you have to be to enjoy this? The answer is, completely.
pallmanni 1 year ago
@pallmanni Thanks for the information, now get the fuck away from every video that has something to do with modern classical music.
1000Eyes0016 1 year ago
@1000Eyes0016 Glad to do so, modern artsy fartsy clasical music sucks anyway.
pallmanni 1 year ago
Tone row and Serialism in 20th century
Schoenberg, Webern, and Berg
icydong 1 year ago
Thank you so much for uploading this.
bogorzelak 1 year ago
Is this 12 ton-music? ( I don't know how it is in english) You have to listen more siriously. Just because the melody is atonal it doesn't mean it doesn't bear a message. I like it
thesynthmaster92 1 year ago
@thesynthmaster92 Yeah, it's that heavy.
vincesdiscodreams 1 year ago
As a composer and theorist, I'm a little taken aback by some of the people here. It seems there's a lot of elitism and anti-elitism being thrown about. Knowing the historical context and being aware of the compositional means behind this piece, I don't like it. I just don't. How about the "educated" stop acting so high and mighty and if someone doesn't like this it's because they're a fool, and anyone who doesn't like it, that's fine, but don't call bull**** on the composer just because of that.
lordskyeiii 1 year ago
Symmetry ^^
I'm going to curse the damn soldier who killed webern
fabiopalma 1 year ago
@fabiopalma The soldier actually killed himself a few years later out of grief, so I don't think he needs any curses.
minyou12 1 year ago
Gracias.
DiGiorgiGarros 1 year ago
After years of listening to Webern and Schoenberg, I finally had that "aha!" moment and realized just how bitchin' awesome those composers were. Really hard music to get into, but the rewards are worth it.
tone12of12 1 year ago
And another thing pallmanni... Sesame street? Are you serious?! Wow! You are in no position to judge taste...
j4unumber1 1 year ago
@j4unumber1 Sesame street? what are you talking about?
pallmanni 1 year ago
pallmanni says:
"You people are retards, if you like this piece of steaming shit it doesn't mean you've got a finer taste in music and the people that "don't" like it are unintelligent and wrong. Simply put, if this is your idea of music you deserve to have your ears cut off you dumb shit. This is artsy fartsy shit at it's best, and you're all douchebag dumbasses."
Yeah and I bet you consider the idea that top 40 and teeny bopper sounds really do qualify as music. Huh?
j4unumber1 1 year ago
@j4unumber1 You really should try taking that large cylindrical object out from thne inside of your rectum.
neopopomo 1 year ago
@j4unumber1 You should try taking that large cylindrical object out from the inside of your rectum; it might make it easier for you to listen to non-modal music. Oh and this music actually has a very interesting and rich history involving alot of bothering people like you, so thanks for keeping the memory alive.
neopopomo 1 year ago
@j4unumber1
It's not a matter of taste, it's a matter of knowing why and how; Then perhaps you will develop the dissernment to appreciate.
This music has it's place in music history for its message in the social context of the time and the full achievement of serialism.
Perhaps one day you will finally get music that is over a century old... Through, I doubt it. I don't want to know what you think about the music that is made today, you will probably never have any idea how great it is.
pionata 1 year ago
You people are retards, if you like this piece of steaming shit it doesn't mean you've got a finer taste in music and the people that "don't" like it are unintelligent and wrong. Simply put, if this is your idea of music you deserve to have your ears cut off you dumb shit. This is artsy fartsy shit at it's best, and you're all douchebag dumbasses.
I can almost imagine, Anton webern sitting drunk as shit at his desk composing this.
pallmanni 1 year ago
@pallmanni: The only thing your crude comment demonstrates is your own stupidity. Move on - no one really cares what you have to say
willjooo 1 year ago
@willjooo This is the internet, noone cares about what anyone says, and if you're going to follow that logic, then why did you post your message?
pallmanni 1 year ago
@pallmanni To be honest, I've engaged in a number of enjoyable, lively dialogues/debates on the internet. ....but not with people like you. Good-bye.
willjooo 1 year ago
@pallmanni
I think the volcano ash has gotten into your brain and ears.
FranzLisztian 1 year ago
@FranzLisztian Yeah, since i live in Reykjavík i guess you might be right.. damn, i won't be able to enjoy weberns "mathematically logical" music again, oh well, there's plenty of other music that's not pure crap, i think i'll manage.
pallmanni 1 year ago
@pallmanni Wow.... you're really a very unpleasant person. You know, I have no problem with people not liking a certain kind of music. Not every piece is for everybody. But to insult others who genuinely like a piece is stupid. Its also unfair to assume the intentions of the composer. I think Webern's goal was to create beautiful music, just as any composer would strive to, and just because it doesn't catch YOUR ear doesn't make this any less valid as a piece of musical beauty.
DarkZekeX 1 year ago
@DarkZekeX, musical beauty is generally based on harmony that was and is created through scales, in western music, as you probably know, mainly through the major and minor scale(s).so, in my opinion, seeing his music as musically beautiful and also judging his intentions on creating beautiful music is quite wrong. I see dissonant music much more as a medium to affect listeners emotionally rather than showing them something beautiful
Ghruul 1 year ago
@Ghruul Thats kinda a narrow-minded view on art. I think that you can find beauty in any work of art, and harmony is not the only thing that makes music beautiful. And aren't most pieces of music used as a medium to affect listeners emotionally?
DarkZekeX 1 year ago
@DarkZekeX, well, thats the general view on art and also on music. so, for most people, a "beautiful musical piece" can be explained as a sequence of systematically notes put together, or, in a other words, a musical piece, where scales are used in "nice" way. however, nowadays practically anyone can use scales and create music this way. Thats why this kind of music has for the most part lost its charm for me, seems like a planned manipulation... dissonant music though is a lot more expressional
Ghruul 1 year ago
To those who are here to criticize: If this is boring and you don't like it, just go find something more digestible for your minds, but you don't have to insult the composer simply because you don't understand his music.
lyubomirgt 1 year ago 35
@lyubomirgt
It's been forever like this, the "prima pratica" and "seconda pratica"; Those people who refuses to understand and open their minds to something different or at the minimum try to understand it's place in history and why it is still played a century later.
pionata 1 year ago
@lyubomirgt They agree
jhv48 1 year ago
@lyubomirgt
I happen to like the music. However, I find it pretty smug and conceited to assume anyone who doesn't like the music just "doesn't get it". Perhaps they understand the music, but still find it boring. This piece, like all music, is not for everyone.
normloman 1 year ago 2
@normloman
Yes, this music is definitely not for everyone, but primarily for classical musicians and fans of contemporary classical music, and requires some study and intellectual capacity above the average in order to understand it. Therefore, no one who understands it would start insulting Webern, not only because they would know what its purpose is, but also because it is rude and shows complete lack of manners and class, which would contradicts with the intelligence of such listeners.
lyubomirgt 1 year ago
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chorister88 1 year ago
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lyubomirgt 1 year ago
I wonder what kind of people would just click on a Webern's link and, instead of listening and enjoying it, start criticizing his music, making fool of themselves.
threviatghei 1 year ago 14
@threviatghei
people who listen Webern's music for homework -.-" people like me..... cant stand that morbid "music"....
TheLordSpitfire 1 year ago
@TheLordSpitfire oh if all homework were to listen to this...! D:
threviatghei 1 year ago
Sounds like Kandinsky's paintings.
I'm not calling anyone narrow-minded or another "I'm-better-than-you-because-I-apreciate-this" thing. But there's probably no good reasons to hate a piece of art, there are only reasons to love something. Webern was a very revolutionary composer in the age he lived. And I like it. It's actually the first abstract composition one had ever made. Can you imagine that? You should respect that! It has some sort of swampy identity the whole pïece. I love it.
ChrisDulk 1 year ago 2
your an idiot, john cage is awesome
AnonymousRetards 1 year ago
@AnonymousRetards webern was a serialist and cage is an aleatoric composer
AnonymousRetards 1 year ago
@AnonymousRetards which means that he wanted to make it so that his music could never be played the same twice
AnonymousRetards 1 year ago
This is probably one of those "acquired taste" things or something.
It isn't beautiful or aesthetically pleasing to me, but I don't think that the sole merit of the composition is that it was written by a famous guy; there's probably a layer of technical expertise that isn't evident to the casual listener. I don't understand Webern, but based on what I know, I don't think he's complete nonsense.
John cage on the other hand, I do think is complete nonsense.
wscedwin 1 year ago
its not shallow definition, its the practical definition. Im not gonna say this horrible music is good just become come decently famous dude wrote it. Even if you are really into music, doesnt mean you have to say EVERYTHING is good. This sounds bad, and if you actually think this is good, then you need to stop kidding yourself
00SirAltitude00 1 year ago
This sort of music is more meant to be discussed than listened to for entertainment. This was written at the height of acoustic experimenting. It certainly doesn't have a tune, but what it does have is a very complex, mathmatic and logical score. It takes extremes of music complexity. Again, not "pretty" by most standards, but instead an interesting study for composition.
Jaydoggy531 1 year ago