I love how they're attempting to get the point across. The anti-gay Marriage guy is perceived as fat and ugly, while the pro-gay marriage guy is young and apparently attractive, making him seem "cool", and that you should believe him instead. Fuck that bullshit. If people wanted Prop 8, and they voted to pass it, they should have kept it.
SO WHAT! Why is being a leftist even associated with being open minded? Liberal and tree hugging hippies MUST UNDERSTAND that BEING OPPOSED to conservativism ALSO qualifies them as being one sided! I have a BA in sociology and learned in my classes that 1 out of 1,800 people are born hermaphrodites and/or intersexed in variety of ways. BUT, 1 out of 2 people are STILL born either as male or female. I believe in equality between men and women but there is no need for the queer agenda.
I sometimes wonder if a bunch of people got confused between "yes" and "no" in the voting booth. "Yes" didn't mean you're in favor of gay rights, but I've spoken with a few gay rights supporters that thought that's what a "yes" vote meant.
You morons don't get it, gays are not discriminated against, because there are restrictions in law of marriage. A man can always marry a woman, therefore he is not discriminated under that law. It is like saying, I want to hunt humans, change the hunting law restrictions, I am being discriminated against, my needs are being discriminated. What kind of a stupid argument is this.
Sorry, in from the UK. From what I have seen and heard of Prop 8 in CA, there was a democratic process whereby voters went to the polls, like in any democratically run, reasonable, civilised nation. The vote came out in favour of prop 8. However, unlike any democratically run or reasonable, civilised nation, the vote was overturned by a judge or two. Is this actually correct? Because if it is, there is a FAR bigger, more intrinsic problem with American politics and democracy than just prop 8.
You would expect a fascist or a communist dictatorship to cast aside a democratic vote, but CA? I thought that was one of the most liberal of all the states, and as such 'liberal' people should pride themselves on democracy!If they wanted to engineer the result undemocratically (which they did),couldn't they have just done it in the first place without pumping money into a clearly unecessary democratic process?Not to mention the money wasted on campaigns.Maybe they hadn't heard of the recession!
You don't even have to be either FOR or AGAINST prop 8 to see that there is something extremely unacceptable by the result of this whole shenannigan.The 'against' people got lucky this time, but what happens when/if this same thing happens when something they DON'T want gets passed in this way, by 2 judges over-ruling the people?This whole thing reminds me of Pastor Martin Niemöller's poem, starting "First they came for the communists"What if this undemocratic process backfires on YOU?Like it?
@GoldenbanjoDJ Our whole political system is based on a system of checks and balances. So if one of the branches possibly oversteps its rights, another branch is supposed to be able to over rule it. Ever since Marbury v. Madison the judicial branch of our government has freely exercised its right to decide the constitutionality of any law. People say the U.S. is a democracy, but it isn't, really. The system of checks and balances isn't democratic, but it's how OUR government works; it's American
@GoldenbanjoDJ So, the California supreme court reviewed the case of proposition 8 and the whole trial took a couple months, I think. In the end, the court ruled that the proposition was unconstitutional. That's how our political system works. Yes, we get to vote for things, and on the state proposition level, our political system is pretty much a democracy, but the general population does not have the right to vote on the constitutionality of any given law or amendment.
See this is what I can't understand. The democracy only goes so far. Americans (and don't get me wrong by and large I love Americans) seem to have this unhealthy obsession with the constitution. Maybe the constition is wrong? I mean, so many other laws can be changed to reflect public opionion, at least in Europe. I know you must see it as valid, but we over here are gnerally baffled by it at the concept.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Yeah you don't get it. Majority does not mean a law will pass. So if the majority wanted no interracial marriage then that's it? The reason why JUDICIARY exists is because of this, to equalize and prevent abuse of the majority. Just because majority says so does not make it right automatically. If the majority wanted women in the kitchen only then that's the law? That's what you are saying basically
Well hang on a minute then, why have a vote on it at all if that is the case? Why waste taxpayers money to attempt to forge a law which will be decided by public opinion when all you are going to do in the end is let a couple of people decide anyway? Seems to me like they wanted the result of the vote to FOR gay marriage in order to legitimise pre-concieved agendas before they made it law anyway, but it backfired on them.
If their intention was to make a law based on public opinion, then the vote should stand. More people didn't want gay marriage than wanted it.
If people are so scared of majority votes and feel the need to 'equalize' it, then why the frick do we even have a vote? Why do we even have democracy. It's things like this that drive voting numbers down in general elections - the people at the top do whatever the hell they want whatever the public say.
@GoldenbanjoDJ It's a PROPOSITION ballot. Anybody can make one. If one introduced a proposition to bring back all the White people to Europe, round them up and ship them and it won, since White people will no longer be the majority in California, then the state jurisdiction will supersede this decision invoking the 14th Amendment. If you still don't get it then you need to review 3rd grade English.
Electoral College makes it so dumbasses dont vote wrong, that doesnt make americans uncivilised. Yes, a supreme court judges job is to interpret the constitution and protect it, thats what they did. Its the law of the land, there is a lot wrong with the system, but that shouldnt stop people from using common sense.
@DrDeathMetalJr I believe when its given to the civil community to choose whether or not its acceptable, and the Supreme Court Judged did use what they heard from both sides of the opposition; Then another regular judge overthrows more powerful judges for the land? ...Yeah, somethings not right with San Frans legal system
I reread that comment and realize I came off as an ass. I agree with you, I was just explaining why it happened, I dont agree with its decision. I fucking hate the system. I read all about the legal system, I watch case files and I have personal experiences. I never said the legal system was right, I was just explaining how things are supposed to work around here.
@DrDeathMetalJr Ah, no harm no foul done. The problem is that there's just too many states running different laws' to govern the citizens living within its borders or designated zone. San Francisco is becoming too much of a distraction from the many other issues out there. Still, like an old saying heard from someone close to me say "Money Talks, Bullshit walks!" -- True? ..Who knows anymore.
@DrDeathMetalJr Become hackers. Go deeply underground and trying to keep the populace from becoming another mass of mindless puppets from the 2000-2008 elections; Still. The best thing to do is usually ride it out like we did for George Bush Jr. ...kinda like this whole debacle with The World News coming under fire (U.K.) worst, connections to creep billionaire mogul Rupert Murdoch, tried severing tides by shutting it down. Same who Bush placed in power (owner of Fox news). Think about it!
@DrDeathMetalJr i dont know about everyone else, but want to thank you for not only admitting you made a mistake but trying to fix it. we need more people like that in the world.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Y'think? ...Go far back as 2000 Election + Florida + Supreme Court choosing to judge by finding a loop hole in the legal system that made them step-down from power to pass judgement but instead become citizens to vote themselves. Guess who won the presidency and given us 8 wonderful years 2000-2008?
@monkeyluv1314 Well if you want to know, it's not scary to them. It just doesn't have any appeal to them, in the same way some guy would look upon an ugly girl and not be attracted.
Just end the hate, homophobic sexist and racist are all one mineded people. People who hate others just because they are different need to review their own lives and see if it's not really something that they hate about themselves. Hating is wrong and great example is the Nazi's in WW2. I Know alot of people wouldn't surport them so why surport hate?
too cute. and um...if marriage is so sacred then how come i know pretty much no one over 40 who hasnt been divorced at least once? i think everyone deserves to experience being married, no matter who they're getting married too. just puttin that out there. i think you guys would feel different if someone you loved was LGBTQ
@theoriginalklutz HMM look at divorce rates before your liberal bullshit about no fault divorce and common law relationships. Guess what liberalism has damaged the family and now you want to destroy it by making the institution that protects it meaningless.. Marriage is sacred because it leads to the continuation of the species and the traditional family is without doubt the best place to create a virtuous citizenry.
@Seaworldexists I hate when people bring Divorce rates the conversation. The only reason they've increased over the years is because now you "can" get divorced. Until recently, it was EXTREMELY frowned upon and or not even possible in society.
Stop acting like republicans are superior. They spew out plenty of bull shit (ESPECIALLY in matters pertaining to gay rights). Gays deserve equal rights and deserve everything everyone else gets. Nothing more, nothing less. Equality.
@Titanz91 Not ture no fault divroce has made it so people dont take marriage seriously. There is no commitment anymore. COuld you tell me what rights gays are being deprived of that everyone else has acess to. Equality is a very dangerous concept. Equality under the law is fine but once you ge tinto this socil engineerinh you may as well be procrustes.
Marriage is the most fundamental institution of civilization and it should not be redefined by activist judges.Requiring citizens to sanction same-sex relationships violates moral and religious beliefs of millions of Christians, Jews, Muslims and others, who believe marriage is the union of one man and one woman.
Rights? What Rights? gay marriage should be erradicated
If Interracial marriage never occured than more than half of American citizens wouldn't exist. I'm the product of a Hispanic Father & Irish Mother; nothing is wrong with me. :)
Can we solve this issue by just getting government out of the marriage license business. Anything government can give, it can take away...like a hunting or driver's license. By supporting the government free marriage movement you support the solution. Government free marriage now.
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I can't believe after all this time we STILL have to fight this. I thought it was clear what america stood for, Majority rule, minority RIGHTS, and the right to mairage is very important. Two atheists get married no one in the christian community cares, but if two gays get married it's an abomination in the eyes of the lord. For an enlightened people, there still seems to be a lot of ignorance and hipocracy in America.
saying that someone can't marry someone they love just because they are different is just wrong everyone is equal and what gives you the right to say who gets to marry who. VOTE NO ON PROP 8 IF U HAVE A SOUL
I wish the No On 8 campaign would have had better advertising. NOM and Yes On 8 had some ads that expressed absolute lies, and it would have helped to make some ads debunking them.
I LOVE PROP 8!!! I love the yes-on-prop-8 guy, too!!! The marriage is the union of one MAN and one WOMAN. Legal recognition of any other union as "marriage" undermines TRUE marriage!
-All men are created equal in the eyes of U.S. law. But U.S. law does not govern marriage, nor has the right to govern marriage. Marriage is protected under the Freedom or Religion clause. Furthermore, that phrase is in the Declaration of Independence, not the U.S. Constitution.
@idaman12345 Because majority of them that got turned over were for WHITES ONLY gays, money talks and bullshit walks. Several times its been turned over but if it had been about the U.S. Patriot Act, shit would've hit the fan more violently than this prop 8 bill and also, Gays aren't all that innocent either...
And your institution is based on what? A god that doesn't exist and a bible that is full of contradictions, historical inaccuracies, and who's stories such as genesis, Noah, and animal sacrifice were stolen from Sumerian Mesopotamian myths? Looks like your true marriage is non existent and a construct of your imagination. I see nothing else that says marriage is between man and women except your fascist law.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "And your institution is based on what? A god that doesn't exist and a bible that is full of contradictions, historical inaccuracies"
-Again you ignorant fool, take a history class on marriage and Anglo Christianity. Marriage is based on more than god and the Bible.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "who's stories such as genesis, Noah, and animal sacrifice were stolen from Sumerian Mesopotamian myths? Looks like your true marriage is non existent and a construct of your imagination"
-What do stories in the bible have to do with marriage? Marriage has nothing to do with stories in the Bible. Furthermore, of course stories in the Bible are not going to be based in Christianity, Christianity didn't exist at that time.
Study History. Marriage existed way before your church. Your god and your institutions are nothing more than constructs of your imagination. Do you have an actual argument or just superstition
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine no no no well yes keep in mind the 'constructs of our imagination' stretches to people all around the world, how many people (in the world, not just from la to sf, now) are influence by 'superstition'?a super majority, easy are we all ignorant people?-oh and ima history major
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine I find it funny how Gays are using what other minorities have been arguing about, but its never registered. ...Flash forward Melleniums later and now everyone getting it, thanks to WHITES GAYS riding our coat-tails. Everything was established for WHITES ONLY, then have the nerve to perpetrate the very same minorities whose [past] leaders MLK you quote, after that fails, blacks are the new Nazi Regime; You being the new Black. Yeah we smell republican conservatives here!
and yet MARRIAGE WAS ALWAYS A TRADITION ABOUT MAN AND A WOMEN ONLY ! NO FAGS OR DYKES EVER GOT MARRIED IN THE PAST. MARRIAGE IS NOT A RIGHT, ITS A TRADITION THAT PUTS A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON GENDER
@thetruth6789, Do you forget what you wrote yourself? :) You used that word to describe the christians yourself, so yeah, says alot about you, doesnt it?
@24AFP why? i mean, i simply want peace love and equality. im not sure about other people. also i choose not to associate myself with political groups.
Now thelieIQof0, Im off to show all of the screenshots of this conversation to a few of my professors, and I will have video evidence and upload it. We will see who the idiot and retard is, and It won't be me who is found to be the idiot/
If all of the professors from my university were to see this conversation, they would see who the ''retard'' and ''idiot'' is, and it will not be me. I have been providing logical arguments and you have been providing nothing but insults. It is really sad, sad indeed.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine No, all you bring to the table in this debate is mentally retarded opinions, which you repeat like a broken record. Mentally retarded opinions that you got from brainwashed idiots that spew illogical and non factual ideologies to establish their homosexual agenda, an agenda that is hateful anti-religion, anti-marriage and anti-morals and hates any person who has morals and an agenda who is fascist and wants all rights for homosexuals and none for anyone else.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine You are so uneducated that you do not research what is fact from fiction, you also do not study the statistics of your arguments. You just hear typical anti-religion, pro-homosexual ideologies and automatically think these ideologies are facts and do not do any research into any of these fictional ideologies.
LOL. You don't need proof? Im sorry but yes you do. Without evidence you cannot say that gay marriage is immoral. Also you did not give me evidence of god's existence, only your ignorance on the big bang, a theory of which you did not even study.
Thus if you want to claim that gay marriage is wrong or that god exists, then please provide some valid scientific evidence thereof. Otherwise I have no obligation, nor does any one else, to accept your claim that he exists or that gay marriage is wrong. And when I say valid evidence, I don't mean your lame insults, your dodging of questions, your made up statistics, or the bible which is full of contradictions and historical inaccuracies. Also please be more intelligent when you debate
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "Thus if you want to claim that gay marriage is wrong or that god exists, then please provide some valid scientific evidence thereof"
-Marriage is not a scientific issue you mental retard, I don't need scientific proof. As for gods existence I already told you the proof, I don't need to repeat myself like you.
-eAny factual proof according to you is "insults", you're pathetic and so close minded and stubborn. You are so stubborn that you can't even see you're own mental retardation.
-I have answered your questions about providing proof about gods existence and the question you made regarding gay marriage being a oxymoron and being immoral. You on the other hand have dodged all of my questions, especially the one where I refute your mentally retarded claim that "marriage is not religious"(which I am still laughing about, lol) and ask you to show me proof.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "the bible which is full of contradictions and historical inaccuracies"
-Again you sound like a broken record. I asked you to show me proof of these "contradictions" and you can not, you dodge my questions and show no proof of your retarded claims.
Using ad hominems and negative proof fallacies are a sign that you are cornered and have no argument in defense of your position, thus instead of arguing honestly and intelligently you resort to deceptive tactics to change the subject. Sorry but it won't work here.
The most retarded argument of all by homosexuals is that they actually think they can raise a perfectly healthy child, lol. Imagine how mentally and even physically unhealthy that child will grow up and especially how confused that poor child will grow up.
@thetruth6789 I may not have been raised by a lesbian, but I spent an awful lot of time with my aunt who was married to another woman as a child because my mother was a single parent and had to work. One day, I asked why she was married to a woman and she said "Because I love her." I was never confused. I was never mentally or physically unhealthy and I'm not gay. The only thing that happened was I ended up very excepting of gays and lesbians. Somehow I don't view it as a bad thing.
This is another major fail from the pro-faggot gay marriage idiots. Yeah lets forget about upholding thousand year old traditions and the holy and thousand year old tradition and institution of marriage because California's economy is in the shitter, FAIL AGAIN!! you dumb retarded chemically imbalanced faggots.
@mattkearneyfan1 John 3, 23,And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.the no on 8 guy loves one another keeping Gods law. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. Those against the gay who is meek like Jesus is are doing what Christ would never do,and the no on 8 Guy also has this,love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance:
@kobidobidog You don't know shit faggot. Do you even know his name or his religion? Stop your fucking assumptions shit face. Christianity is against homosexuality.
@FurryDude360 Christ is not found in a religious name. Christ loves all of us,and the negativity you are holding like a security blanket is pushing the love of God away from you,and that is not a good thing.
@thetruth6789 God is the loving Jesus Christ beyond understanding who walked among men in a flesh, and blood body so the glory of God would not kill our decrepit corruptible bodies,and soul that accepted Satan's lie that dies. The perversion stemming from the king James are a lie of Satan. Jesus would not push anyone to suicide, Satan would try, and did try with Jesus. Turn, and live for why will you die eternally turned to dust. Those against the gay are anti Christ not behaving like Christ.
Your argument is a slippery slope and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Any educated person can see that. What facts should I provide? A source? That is your job, im not the one making a controversial claim. That your argument is a slippery slope? The proof is in your argument itself. All you can do is name call and dodge questions. How sad
-Being pro-gay marriage and saying gay marriage is the same as heterosexual marriage is not only controversial, but it is down right wrong, so therefore you are the one making controversial claims, not me.
I don't have to prove that god doesn't exist to say that he doesn't exist if there is no proof that he does exist. Thus the burden of proof is on you. Also the only evidence that gay marriage is a bible that is not valid evidence and a god, in which there is no proof of his existence. Thus due to a lack of evidence I the entitled jury find god non existent and gay marriage not guilty of being wrong or immoral. Also some Christians are evil and the god described is evil.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "I don't have to prove that god doesn't exist to say that he doesn't exist if there is no proof that he does exist"
-Indeed there is lots of evidence, science has yet to solve what force led to the big bang, science also can not explain the vast emptiness of space prior to the big bang or what that vast emptiness is.
And that is proof of his existence how? Your argument is an argument from ignorance and a false dilemma fallacy. Also I suggest you study astronomy and physics. Before the big bang there was no space nor time.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "Also the only evidence that gay marriage is a bible that is not valid evidence and a god, in which there is no proof of his existence"
-You make no sense like always, you do not proof-read your comments before posting them, but what do I expect from a zoophilic idiot who thinks gay marriage is not a oxymoron.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "Thus due to a lack of evidence I the entitled jury find god non existent and gay marriage not guilty of being wrong or immoral"
-Hahaha, you even self proclaim yourself as the "jury", you're one piece of work. A mentally ill person such as yourself that finds zoophilia as acceptable, and thinks gay marriage is not immoral and not an oxymoron, can never serve in the jury of any court. You're so mentally ill.
Notice you are dodging the question with personal attacks and lame name calling. Notice that you cannot provide evidence that gay marriage is immoral or that god exists. All you can do is throw juvenile and immature insults. You have yet to make one intelligent argument and yet you call me an idiot and mentally ill?
@thetruth6789 K, J ,V, is Holy, and useful to guide to help many,but the spirit of God who is the risen Lord God Jesus Christ in you is imperative to save your soul,and help whoever love their neighbor as themselves.and be a Child of God. Right now you are not a child of God.The fool has said in his heart there is no God. The speaker of the words of doubt,and all that they see would not be here if Gods did not exist,and the blasphemer will be burned to dust when Gods light shines again.
@thetruth6789 The same hatred is also keeping nude furry art to be hidden behind a curtain like detestable things just like nudists are exiled to places out of the public eye like leprous humans. Open your eyes, and see nature is nude next to the genderless, genitaless man made dead things.
I've noticed a trend: All of the "Yes on Prop 8!" videos(that I've seen so far. I am aware that there are likely exceptions) have the comments disabled, which the "No on Prop 8!" videos(also, that I've seen so far. And I am also aware that there are probably exceptions to this) do not. Hmm.
@SimplyLaurel... and dont you think its funny that all the poeple who are 'yes on prop8' find themselves drawn to the 'no on prop8' videos and feel its nessisary to comment on every single one, if gay marrige offends them that much why waste their time watching gay videos!
I don't agree with gay marriage. I simply don't believe in it. This does not mean I dislike people of this lifestyle. I have friends that are lesbian and they're great. If the Supreme Court votes that gay marriage is acceptable, then so be it.
@MRobert2I "I've been struggling with homosexual feelings all my life," Uh, that would make you a "faggot" too, if that's what you want to call it. Newsflash, people don't "struggle w/ homosexual feelings" unless they themselves are gay or bi. And thank you for validating the theory that a lot of homophobes are just ashamed of their own tendencies. "those of us who are trying to live according to Christ's standards."- Calling people "pathetic faggots" is nowhere near Christ's standards.
Love this! NOH8
KingWallflower 2 weeks ago
I love how they're attempting to get the point across. The anti-gay Marriage guy is perceived as fat and ugly, while the pro-gay marriage guy is young and apparently attractive, making him seem "cool", and that you should believe him instead. Fuck that bullshit. If people wanted Prop 8, and they voted to pass it, they should have kept it.
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SO WHAT! Why is being a leftist even associated with being open minded? Liberal and tree hugging hippies MUST UNDERSTAND that BEING OPPOSED to conservativism ALSO qualifies them as being one sided! I have a BA in sociology and learned in my classes that 1 out of 1,800 people are born hermaphrodites and/or intersexed in variety of ways. BUT, 1 out of 2 people are STILL born either as male or female. I believe in equality between men and women but there is no need for the queer agenda.
IcedCoffee81 5 months ago
I sometimes wonder if a bunch of people got confused between "yes" and "no" in the voting booth. "Yes" didn't mean you're in favor of gay rights, but I've spoken with a few gay rights supporters that thought that's what a "yes" vote meant.
PigeonTech 6 months ago
@oddtreenow2 Thank you so much for framing it that way, adding to my friends list and other contacts!
Sileni 7 months ago
i love macs.
WWIIwolf 8 months ago
LOL no is hot yes is not
GreenLemonKingdom 8 months ago
i love this because it shows how much of an ass yes is NOH8
irockbandtees101 8 months ago
This commercial rocks!
KIDSunglass 9 months ago
You morons don't get it, gays are not discriminated against, because there are restrictions in law of marriage. A man can always marry a woman, therefore he is not discriminated under that law. It is like saying, I want to hunt humans, change the hunting law restrictions, I am being discriminated against, my needs are being discriminated. What kind of a stupid argument is this.
qw2589 9 months ago
@qw2589 ...Hmm. I'm sold on this...
Sileni 7 months ago
God wants us to love everyone. If you dont understand love yet, it is okay, but it is not okay to hurt another. Dont punish others.
Britt3Nic 9 months ago
Sorry, in from the UK. From what I have seen and heard of Prop 8 in CA, there was a democratic process whereby voters went to the polls, like in any democratically run, reasonable, civilised nation. The vote came out in favour of prop 8. However, unlike any democratically run or reasonable, civilised nation, the vote was overturned by a judge or two. Is this actually correct? Because if it is, there is a FAR bigger, more intrinsic problem with American politics and democracy than just prop 8.
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
You would expect a fascist or a communist dictatorship to cast aside a democratic vote, but CA? I thought that was one of the most liberal of all the states, and as such 'liberal' people should pride themselves on democracy!If they wanted to engineer the result undemocratically (which they did),couldn't they have just done it in the first place without pumping money into a clearly unecessary democratic process?Not to mention the money wasted on campaigns.Maybe they hadn't heard of the recession!
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
You don't even have to be either FOR or AGAINST prop 8 to see that there is something extremely unacceptable by the result of this whole shenannigan.The 'against' people got lucky this time, but what happens when/if this same thing happens when something they DON'T want gets passed in this way, by 2 judges over-ruling the people?This whole thing reminds me of Pastor Martin Niemöller's poem, starting "First they came for the communists"What if this undemocratic process backfires on YOU?Like it?
GoldenbanjoDJ 9 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Our whole political system is based on a system of checks and balances. So if one of the branches possibly oversteps its rights, another branch is supposed to be able to over rule it. Ever since Marbury v. Madison the judicial branch of our government has freely exercised its right to decide the constitutionality of any law. People say the U.S. is a democracy, but it isn't, really. The system of checks and balances isn't democratic, but it's how OUR government works; it's American
josapplesauce445 5 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ So, the California supreme court reviewed the case of proposition 8 and the whole trial took a couple months, I think. In the end, the court ruled that the proposition was unconstitutional. That's how our political system works. Yes, we get to vote for things, and on the state proposition level, our political system is pretty much a democracy, but the general population does not have the right to vote on the constitutionality of any given law or amendment.
josapplesauce445 5 months ago
@josapplesauce445
See this is what I can't understand. The democracy only goes so far. Americans (and don't get me wrong by and large I love Americans) seem to have this unhealthy obsession with the constitution. Maybe the constition is wrong? I mean, so many other laws can be changed to reflect public opionion, at least in Europe. I know you must see it as valid, but we over here are gnerally baffled by it at the concept.
GoldenbanjoDJ 5 months ago 2
@GoldenbanjoDJ Yeah you don't get it. Majority does not mean a law will pass. So if the majority wanted no interracial marriage then that's it? The reason why JUDICIARY exists is because of this, to equalize and prevent abuse of the majority. Just because majority says so does not make it right automatically. If the majority wanted women in the kitchen only then that's the law? That's what you are saying basically
msEmmamolina 3 weeks ago
@msEmmamolina
Well hang on a minute then, why have a vote on it at all if that is the case? Why waste taxpayers money to attempt to forge a law which will be decided by public opinion when all you are going to do in the end is let a couple of people decide anyway? Seems to me like they wanted the result of the vote to FOR gay marriage in order to legitimise pre-concieved agendas before they made it law anyway, but it backfired on them.
GoldenbanjoDJ 2 weeks ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ
If their intention was to make a law based on public opinion, then the vote should stand. More people didn't want gay marriage than wanted it.
If people are so scared of majority votes and feel the need to 'equalize' it, then why the frick do we even have a vote? Why do we even have democracy. It's things like this that drive voting numbers down in general elections - the people at the top do whatever the hell they want whatever the public say.
Why make us vote?
GoldenbanjoDJ 2 weeks ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ It's a PROPOSITION ballot. Anybody can make one. If one introduced a proposition to bring back all the White people to Europe, round them up and ship them and it won, since White people will no longer be the majority in California, then the state jurisdiction will supersede this decision invoking the 14th Amendment. If you still don't get it then you need to review 3rd grade English.
msEmmamolina 2 weeks ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ
Electoral College makes it so dumbasses dont vote wrong, that doesnt make americans uncivilised. Yes, a supreme court judges job is to interpret the constitution and protect it, thats what they did. Its the law of the land, there is a lot wrong with the system, but that shouldnt stop people from using common sense.
DrDeathMetalJr 8 months ago
@DrDeathMetalJr I believe when its given to the civil community to choose whether or not its acceptable, and the Supreme Court Judged did use what they heard from both sides of the opposition; Then another regular judge overthrows more powerful judges for the land? ...Yeah, somethings not right with San Frans legal system
Sileni 7 months ago
@Sileni
I reread that comment and realize I came off as an ass. I agree with you, I was just explaining why it happened, I dont agree with its decision. I fucking hate the system. I read all about the legal system, I watch case files and I have personal experiences. I never said the legal system was right, I was just explaining how things are supposed to work around here.
DrDeathMetalJr 7 months ago
@DrDeathMetalJr Ah, no harm no foul done. The problem is that there's just too many states running different laws' to govern the citizens living within its borders or designated zone. San Francisco is becoming too much of a distraction from the many other issues out there. Still, like an old saying heard from someone close to me say "Money Talks, Bullshit walks!" -- True? ..Who knows anymore.
Sileni 7 months ago
@Sileni
Yeah, but what can we do.
DrDeathMetalJr 7 months ago
@DrDeathMetalJr Become hackers. Go deeply underground and trying to keep the populace from becoming another mass of mindless puppets from the 2000-2008 elections; Still. The best thing to do is usually ride it out like we did for George Bush Jr. ...kinda like this whole debacle with The World News coming under fire (U.K.) worst, connections to creep billionaire mogul Rupert Murdoch, tried severing tides by shutting it down. Same who Bush placed in power (owner of Fox news). Think about it!
Sileni 7 months ago
@DrDeathMetalJr i dont know about everyone else, but want to thank you for not only admitting you made a mistake but trying to fix it. we need more people like that in the world.
TheBANKO1 5 months ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Y'think? ...Go far back as 2000 Election + Florida + Supreme Court choosing to judge by finding a loop hole in the legal system that made them step-down from power to pass judgement but instead become citizens to vote themselves. Guess who won the presidency and given us 8 wonderful years 2000-2008?
Sileni 7 months ago
@Sileni
I think there is a bit of a massive difference between what happened here and what happened in Florida. Even I know that.
GoldenbanjoDJ 7 months ago
Just remember people the guy on the right takes it up the ass so nice try whoever made this gay ass video.
mustafaishere 10 months ago
marriage should be abolished outright
diptwist 11 months ago
@monkeyluv1314 Well if you want to know, it's not scary to them. It just doesn't have any appeal to them, in the same way some guy would look upon an ugly girl and not be attracted.
RedSandStudios 11 months ago
@monkeyluv1314 Is that supposed to be funny or are you just a moron?
RedSandStudios 1 year ago
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Just end the hate, homophobic sexist and racist are all one mineded people. People who hate others just because they are different need to review their own lives and see if it's not really something that they hate about themselves. Hating is wrong and great example is the Nazi's in WW2. I Know alot of people wouldn't surport them so why surport hate?
sosterday123 1 year ago
has anyone else noticed that the ads that were for supporting prop 8 didn't let ppl comment?
Stirfry0 1 year ago
Yes looks like a fat pedophile and No looks like a gay pedophile LOL!
verynice420 1 year ago
the Yes guy is a fat asshole who you hate from first sight and the No guy is some annoying gay guy
SoldierCyfix 1 year ago
love you no on prop 8
iamcintyre 1 year ago
too cute. and um...if marriage is so sacred then how come i know pretty much no one over 40 who hasnt been divorced at least once? i think everyone deserves to experience being married, no matter who they're getting married too. just puttin that out there. i think you guys would feel different if someone you loved was LGBTQ
theoriginalklutz 1 year ago
@theoriginalklutz HMM look at divorce rates before your liberal bullshit about no fault divorce and common law relationships. Guess what liberalism has damaged the family and now you want to destroy it by making the institution that protects it meaningless.. Marriage is sacred because it leads to the continuation of the species and the traditional family is without doubt the best place to create a virtuous citizenry.
Seaworldexists 1 year ago
@Seaworldexists vote up.
arivas713 1 year ago
@Seaworldexists I hate when people bring Divorce rates the conversation. The only reason they've increased over the years is because now you "can" get divorced. Until recently, it was EXTREMELY frowned upon and or not even possible in society.
Stop acting like republicans are superior. They spew out plenty of bull shit (ESPECIALLY in matters pertaining to gay rights). Gays deserve equal rights and deserve everything everyone else gets. Nothing more, nothing less. Equality.
Titanz91 1 year ago
@Titanz91 Not ture no fault divroce has made it so people dont take marriage seriously. There is no commitment anymore. COuld you tell me what rights gays are being deprived of that everyone else has acess to. Equality is a very dangerous concept. Equality under the law is fine but once you ge tinto this socil engineerinh you may as well be procrustes.
Seaworldexists 1 year ago
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Marriage is the most fundamental institution of civilization and it should not be redefined by activist judges.Requiring citizens to sanction same-sex relationships violates moral and religious beliefs of millions of Christians, Jews, Muslims and others, who believe marriage is the union of one man and one woman.
Rights? What Rights? gay marriage should be erradicated
uneducated people...
supermegaawesomestud 1 year ago
@supermegaawesomestud yes the people who agree with you are very uneducated
mermaidsareppl2 11 months ago
@mermaidsareppl2 yes, and people who agree with you are low life peasants of this country.
supermegaawesomestud 11 months ago
gay marriage should be gone forever. it is wrong.
Mrcleee 1 year ago
@Mrcleee interracial marriage should be gone forever. it is wrong
mermaidsareppl2 11 months ago
@mermaidsareppl2
If Interracial marriage never occured than more than half of American citizens wouldn't exist. I'm the product of a Hispanic Father & Irish Mother; nothing is wrong with me. :)
AirwaveXReverie 10 months ago
@AirwaveXReverie
Thats great, we are talking about gay marriage.
DrDeathMetalJr 8 months ago
Can we solve this issue by just getting government out of the marriage license business. Anything government can give, it can take away...like a hunting or driver's license. By supporting the government free marriage movement you support the solution. Government free marriage now.
joshfarmer76 1 year ago
There's no point to marraige anymore, so why not allow gay marraige.
commodorefan2 1 year ago
Windows 95/98, (n): 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
I can't believe after all this time we STILL have to fight this. I thought it was clear what america stood for, Majority rule, minority RIGHTS, and the right to mairage is very important. Two atheists get married no one in the christian community cares, but if two gays get married it's an abomination in the eyes of the lord. For an enlightened people, there still seems to be a lot of ignorance and hipocracy in America.
JarvisComics 1 year ago 2
@thetruth6789 who cares if that person is gay, straight, lesbian, Asexual, or pan-sexual, its none of your business
TheKillerQueen31 1 year ago
saying that someone can't marry someone they love just because they are different is just wrong everyone is equal and what gives you the right to say who gets to marry who. VOTE NO ON PROP 8 IF U HAVE A SOUL
rivergirlre 1 year ago
I wish the No On 8 campaign would have had better advertising. NOM and Yes On 8 had some ads that expressed absolute lies, and it would have helped to make some ads debunking them.
spidersandbats 1 year ago
Why is the guy in the tie always the bad guy?
3 rhymes in one
iAMsoBEAST1 1 year ago
Travel around the world with an Latino women rockmycity.info
wrrnlam 1 year ago
I LOVE PROP 8!!! I love the yes-on-prop-8 guy, too!!! The marriage is the union of one MAN and one WOMAN. Legal recognition of any other union as "marriage" undermines TRUE marriage!
ThePeachRules 1 year ago
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@ThePeachRules Let me guess, you're a Christian
David12King 1 year ago
@ThePeachRules you also hate america
all man is created equal
prop h8 stops that from happening
im glad it was overturned
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@idaman12345 "you also hate america
all man is created equal
prop h8 stops that from happening"
-All men are created equal in the eyes of U.S. law. But U.S. law does not govern marriage, nor has the right to govern marriage. Marriage is protected under the Freedom or Religion clause. Furthermore, that phrase is in the Declaration of Independence, not the U.S. Constitution.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
I suggest you read up on procrustes equality under the law is very different from pure equality.
Seaworldexists 1 year ago
@idaman12345 Because majority of them that got turned over were for WHITES ONLY gays, money talks and bullshit walks. Several times its been turned over but if it had been about the U.S. Patriot Act, shit would've hit the fan more violently than this prop 8 bill and also, Gays aren't all that innocent either...
Sileni 7 months ago
@ThePeachRules
And your institution is based on what? A god that doesn't exist and a bible that is full of contradictions, historical inaccuracies, and who's stories such as genesis, Noah, and animal sacrifice were stolen from Sumerian Mesopotamian myths? Looks like your true marriage is non existent and a construct of your imagination. I see nothing else that says marriage is between man and women except your fascist law.
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "And your institution is based on what? A god that doesn't exist and a bible that is full of contradictions, historical inaccuracies"
-Again you ignorant fool, take a history class on marriage and Anglo Christianity. Marriage is based on more than god and the Bible.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "who's stories such as genesis, Noah, and animal sacrifice were stolen from Sumerian Mesopotamian myths? Looks like your true marriage is non existent and a construct of your imagination"
-What do stories in the bible have to do with marriage? Marriage has nothing to do with stories in the Bible. Furthermore, of course stories in the Bible are not going to be based in Christianity, Christianity didn't exist at that time.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine " I see nothing else that says marriage is between man and women except your fascist law"
-Ask the Anglican Communion, the church that started marriage.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789
Study History. Marriage existed way before your church. Your god and your institutions are nothing more than constructs of your imagination. Do you have an actual argument or just superstition
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago 54
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine no no no well yes keep in mind the 'constructs of our imagination' stretches to people all around the world, how many people (in the world, not just from la to sf, now) are influence by 'superstition'?a super majority, easy are we all ignorant people?-oh and ima history major
arivas713 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine I find it funny how Gays are using what other minorities have been arguing about, but its never registered. ...Flash forward Melleniums later and now everyone getting it, thanks to WHITES GAYS riding our coat-tails. Everything was established for WHITES ONLY, then have the nerve to perpetrate the very same minorities whose [past] leaders MLK you quote, after that fails, blacks are the new Nazi Regime; You being the new Black. Yeah we smell republican conservatives here!
Sileni 7 months ago
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@ArcyTheFurryArcanine
and yet MARRIAGE WAS ALWAYS A TRADITION ABOUT MAN AND A WOMEN ONLY ! NO FAGS OR DYKES EVER GOT MARRIED IN THE PAST. MARRIAGE IS NOT A RIGHT, ITS A TRADITION THAT PUTS A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON GENDER
Angellove1220 4 months ago
@thetruth6789 thats a lie, marriage was not started by any cult, it is not a religious ceremony
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 Ah, you again, still with the same bullshit. You bring no facts to the table to prove your ridiculous claim once again.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@idaman12345 Marriage is religious. If it wasn't, it wouldn't have been started by the Anglican Communion.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 both my parents and my grandparents were married in a city hall. how is that religious?
KrabsMoon 1 year ago
@KrabsMoon You homosexuals can't seem to understand what a civil union is. Why is this so hard for you people to understand?
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 i'm not gay
KrabsMoon 1 year ago
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@KrabsMoon Yeah keep telling yourself that, if that's what makes you feel better.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@KrabsMoon You definitely defend gays like you are one. Come out of the closet already.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 my sexuality is none of your business. look i don't want to argue, so just leave me alone
KrabsMoon 1 year ago
@thetruth6789, Ask the anglican community, they beleive that earth is 4000 years old and that we're all the result of incest :)
Praw48 1 year ago
@Praw48 What the fuck is the "anglican community"? You are one ignorant fool, it does not surprise me that you support gay marriage.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789, Do you forget what you wrote yourself? :) You used that word to describe the christians yourself, so yeah, says alot about you, doesnt it?
Praw48 1 year ago
@Praw48 What the fuck are you talking about? I never wrote that or used those words. Learn how to read you ignorant fool.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@thetruth6789, Here you go, word by word, this is what you wrote.
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thetruth6789
3 weeks ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine " I see nothing else that says marriage is between man and women except your fascist law"
-Ask the Anglican Communion, the church that started marriage.
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And the truth will set you free :)
Praw48 1 year ago
Hell to the naw on prop 8 :3
Neya787 1 year ago
liberals digust me
24AFP 1 year ago
@24AFP why? i mean, i simply want peace love and equality. im not sure about other people. also i choose not to associate myself with political groups.
KrabsMoon 1 year ago
the no on prop 8 guy is hot, is he gay? I hope hes in my team
cbba18 1 year ago
The fact that the Republican guy is wearing a 'no' shirt is terribly appropriate.
Squiddie42 1 year ago
Now thelieIQof0, Im off to show all of the screenshots of this conversation to a few of my professors, and I will have video evidence and upload it. We will see who the idiot and retard is, and It won't be me who is found to be the idiot/
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Hahaha, what professors? You're in a psychiatric ward, you don't go to any university or college.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Hey while you're at it, tell your imaginary professors about your zoophilia.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Tell them about your satan worshipping and hateful comments you make about Christians.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
If all of the professors from my university were to see this conversation, they would see who the ''retard'' and ''idiot'' is, and it will not be me. I have been providing logical arguments and you have been providing nothing but insults. It is really sad, sad indeed.
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine No, all you bring to the table in this debate is mentally retarded opinions, which you repeat like a broken record. Mentally retarded opinions that you got from brainwashed idiots that spew illogical and non factual ideologies to establish their homosexual agenda, an agenda that is hateful anti-religion, anti-marriage and anti-morals and hates any person who has morals and an agenda who is fascist and wants all rights for homosexuals and none for anyone else.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 if you look at your posts, the only one that brings the mentally retarded opionions is you
being pro gay is not anti marriage
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345
His so called institution is nothing more than a religious illusion. He is also racist
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine yeah and hes so set in his backwards ways he refuses to see the actual truth
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345
He, actually believes that we are in the ancient holy roman empire! XD
Can you say mental?
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
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@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "He, actually believes that we are in the ancient holy roman empire"
-How did your retarded ass come to this conclusion?
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "His so called institution is nothing more than a religious illusion"
-Marriage is not a illusion you fool.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@idaman12345 "if you look at your posts, the only one that brings the mentally retarded opionions is you
being pro gay is not anti marriage"
-You're a retard.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine You are so uneducated that you do not research what is fact from fiction, you also do not study the statistics of your arguments. You just hear typical anti-religion, pro-homosexual ideologies and automatically think these ideologies are facts and do not do any research into any of these fictional ideologies.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine one thing you have to realize about people like thetruth6789 is that you just have to speak the truth, he hates that
idaman12345 1 year ago
LOL. You don't need proof? Im sorry but yes you do. Without evidence you cannot say that gay marriage is immoral. Also you did not give me evidence of god's existence, only your ignorance on the big bang, a theory of which you did not even study.
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
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kobidobidog 1 year ago
Thus if you want to claim that gay marriage is wrong or that god exists, then please provide some valid scientific evidence thereof. Otherwise I have no obligation, nor does any one else, to accept your claim that he exists or that gay marriage is wrong. And when I say valid evidence, I don't mean your lame insults, your dodging of questions, your made up statistics, or the bible which is full of contradictions and historical inaccuracies. Also please be more intelligent when you debate
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "Thus if you want to claim that gay marriage is wrong or that god exists, then please provide some valid scientific evidence thereof"
-Marriage is not a scientific issue you mental retard, I don't need scientific proof. As for gods existence I already told you the proof, I don't need to repeat myself like you.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine " I don't mean your lame insults"
-eAny factual proof according to you is "insults", you're pathetic and so close minded and stubborn. You are so stubborn that you can't even see you're own mental retardation.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "your dodging of questions"
-I have answered your questions about providing proof about gods existence and the question you made regarding gay marriage being a oxymoron and being immoral. You on the other hand have dodged all of my questions, especially the one where I refute your mentally retarded claim that "marriage is not religious"(which I am still laughing about, lol) and ask you to show me proof.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "the bible which is full of contradictions and historical inaccuracies"
-Again you sound like a broken record. I asked you to show me proof of these "contradictions" and you can not, you dodge my questions and show no proof of your retarded claims.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine " Also please be more intelligent when you debate"
-This coming from a person who can not spell, use grammar or punctuation, and suffers from many mental illnesses.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thelie6789
Quite all of a sudden? Gee, I wonder why
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
Using ad hominems and negative proof fallacies are a sign that you are cornered and have no argument in defense of your position, thus instead of arguing honestly and intelligently you resort to deceptive tactics to change the subject. Sorry but it won't work here.
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
Gay marriage iz like a stab in the bacc to god... Fuccen fagz
richard408sj 1 year ago
@richard408sj poor use of English is like stabbing the language in the back. Fucking people with such poor grasp of their own language.
IowanCheesecake 1 year ago
The most retarded argument of all by homosexuals is that they actually think they can raise a perfectly healthy child, lol. Imagine how mentally and even physically unhealthy that child will grow up and especially how confused that poor child will grow up.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 I may not have been raised by a lesbian, but I spent an awful lot of time with my aunt who was married to another woman as a child because my mother was a single parent and had to work. One day, I asked why she was married to a woman and she said "Because I love her." I was never confused. I was never mentally or physically unhealthy and I'm not gay. The only thing that happened was I ended up very excepting of gays and lesbians. Somehow I don't view it as a bad thing.
GinnyStoleMyMan 1 year ago
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kobidobidog 1 year ago
Respond to this video...A lot of good heterosexuals have done making more babies to sends to war, and sacrifice like a good Satan worshiper.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
This is another major fail from the pro-faggot gay marriage idiots. Yeah lets forget about upholding thousand year old traditions and the holy and thousand year old tradition and institution of marriage because California's economy is in the shitter, FAIL AGAIN!! you dumb retarded chemically imbalanced faggots.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
Didn't prop 8 pass?
SayNoToTheism 1 year ago
The no on prop 8 guy is the true Christian.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
@kobidobidog How do you know?
mattkearneyfan 1 year ago
@mattkearneyfan1 John 3, 23,And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.the no on 8 guy loves one another keeping Gods law. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. Those against the gay who is meek like Jesus is are doing what Christ would never do,and the no on 8 Guy also has this,love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance:
kobidobidog 1 year ago
@kobidobidog You don't know shit faggot. Do you even know his name or his religion? Stop your fucking assumptions shit face. Christianity is against homosexuality.
FurryDude360 1 year ago
@FurryDude360 Christ is not found in a religious name. Christ loves all of us,and the negativity you are holding like a security blanket is pushing the love of God away from you,and that is not a good thing.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
@kobidobidog Christ is a smiteful god, read the bible my friend, read what he says about homosexuals.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 God is the loving Jesus Christ beyond understanding who walked among men in a flesh, and blood body so the glory of God would not kill our decrepit corruptible bodies,and soul that accepted Satan's lie that dies. The perversion stemming from the king James are a lie of Satan. Jesus would not push anyone to suicide, Satan would try, and did try with Jesus. Turn, and live for why will you die eternally turned to dust. Those against the gay are anti Christ not behaving like Christ.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
@kobidobidog Oh great another zoophilic idiot with a furry animal avatar.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789
Your argument is a slippery slope and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Any educated person can see that. What facts should I provide? A source? That is your job, im not the one making a controversial claim. That your argument is a slippery slope? The proof is in your argument itself. All you can do is name call and dodge questions. How sad
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "Your argument is a slippery slope and it sticks out like a sore thumb"
-You have broken record syndrome.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine " im not the one making a controversial claim"
-Being pro-gay marriage and saying gay marriage is the same as heterosexual marriage is not only controversial, but it is down right wrong, so therefore you are the one making controversial claims, not me.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@ArcyTheFurryArcanine " All you can do is name call and dodge questions"
-I haven't called you any names, nor have I dodged any questions.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine You're also making the controversial and ignorant claim that god does not exist, and that Christians are evil.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789
I don't have to prove that god doesn't exist to say that he doesn't exist if there is no proof that he does exist. Thus the burden of proof is on you. Also the only evidence that gay marriage is a bible that is not valid evidence and a god, in which there is no proof of his existence. Thus due to a lack of evidence I the entitled jury find god non existent and gay marriage not guilty of being wrong or immoral. Also some Christians are evil and the god described is evil.
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "I don't have to prove that god doesn't exist to say that he doesn't exist if there is no proof that he does exist"
-Indeed there is lots of evidence, science has yet to solve what force led to the big bang, science also can not explain the vast emptiness of space prior to the big bang or what that vast emptiness is.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789
And that is proof of his existence how? Your argument is an argument from ignorance and a false dilemma fallacy. Also I suggest you study astronomy and physics. Before the big bang there was no space nor time.
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "Also the only evidence that gay marriage is a bible that is not valid evidence and a god, in which there is no proof of his existence"
-You make no sense like always, you do not proof-read your comments before posting them, but what do I expect from a zoophilic idiot who thinks gay marriage is not a oxymoron.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789
More ad homienms and begging the question. Evidence but the ''evidence'' is invalid. Way to misread there kido
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine "Thus due to a lack of evidence I the entitled jury find god non existent and gay marriage not guilty of being wrong or immoral"
-Hahaha, you even self proclaim yourself as the "jury", you're one piece of work. A mentally ill person such as yourself that finds zoophilia as acceptable, and thinks gay marriage is not immoral and not an oxymoron, can never serve in the jury of any court. You're so mentally ill.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789
Notice you are dodging the question with personal attacks and lame name calling. Notice that you cannot provide evidence that gay marriage is immoral or that god exists. All you can do is throw juvenile and immature insults. You have yet to make one intelligent argument and yet you call me an idiot and mentally ill?
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine You have never shown any valid proof or facts to your retarded claims.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 K, J ,V, is Holy, and useful to guide to help many,but the spirit of God who is the risen Lord God Jesus Christ in you is imperative to save your soul,and help whoever love their neighbor as themselves.and be a Child of God. Right now you are not a child of God.The fool has said in his heart there is no God. The speaker of the words of doubt,and all that they see would not be here if Gods did not exist,and the blasphemer will be burned to dust when Gods light shines again.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
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@thetruth6789 The same hatred is also keeping nude furry art to be hidden behind a curtain like detestable things just like nudists are exiled to places out of the public eye like leprous humans. Open your eyes, and see nature is nude next to the genderless, genitaless man made dead things.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
No Prop 8, you may not enforce your religion on everyone else
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine YES ON PROP 8.
FurryDude360 1 year ago
I've noticed a trend: All of the "Yes on Prop 8!" videos(that I've seen so far. I am aware that there are likely exceptions) have the comments disabled, which the "No on Prop 8!" videos(also, that I've seen so far. And I am also aware that there are probably exceptions to this) do not. Hmm.
SimplyLaurel 1 year ago
@SimplyLaurel... and dont you think its funny that all the poeple who are 'yes on prop8' find themselves drawn to the 'no on prop8' videos and feel its nessisary to comment on every single one, if gay marrige offends them that much why waste their time watching gay videos!
yorkstar15 1 year ago
maybe it is a silly question, but how to get this white background effect in one of adobe programs? REGARDS
99alita 1 year ago
I don't agree with gay marriage. I simply don't believe in it. This does not mean I dislike people of this lifestyle. I have friends that are lesbian and they're great. If the Supreme Court votes that gay marriage is acceptable, then so be it.
redshaftedflicker 1 year ago
@MRobert2I Stop being a pathetic, whining hypocrite and blaming people who are ok with their sexuality because you can't accept your own.
xothegirlz 1 year ago
@MRobert2I "I've been struggling with homosexual feelings all my life," Uh, that would make you a "faggot" too, if that's what you want to call it. Newsflash, people don't "struggle w/ homosexual feelings" unless they themselves are gay or bi. And thank you for validating the theory that a lot of homophobes are just ashamed of their own tendencies. "those of us who are trying to live according to Christ's standards."- Calling people "pathetic faggots" is nowhere near Christ's standards.
xothegirlz 1 year ago
Glenn Beck = Mormon = Fraud = Racist
ucsdrules 1 year ago
What do you call 50 lesbians and 50 goverment employees in one room?
100 people that don’t do dick!
Bigjohnnywad 1 year ago
What does a gay man and an ambulance have in common?
They both get loaded from the rear and go whoo-whoo!
Bigjohnnywad 1 year ago
What do you call a gay bar with no bar stools?
A fruit stand!
Bigjohnnywad 1 year ago
What does one faggot say to another faggot going on vacation?
"Can I help pack your shit?"
Bigjohnnywad 1 year ago
Why did they fire the faggot from the sperm bank?
They caught him drinking on the job!
Bigjohnnywad 1 year ago