I usually roll w/ 1up, 5 down on the side saddle. I found that loading shells with my right hand from shells facing up position into the open cocked chamber is pretty fast. Although it is taught that you never want to compromise your firing grip, I am able to get fast follow up shots on emergency reload drills, even at targets out to 25 yds. I practiced it so much that is is as fast as my transition to secondary weapon. Bad Technique or Viable Option?
If a shell were to be detonated on your side-saddle, the brass case head would be the most likely dangerous projectile, not the heavy shot load. Shotgun shells firing out of battery typically just blow out the side of the hull, relatively harmlessly.
I understand what u are saying , thanks for video . nobody wants to video responce but they want to add some comment against your video. we all need more practice with a side saddle . i like the idea of having slugs in different ,and bottom feed looks easier . up/down just do the way you are fastest at and practice , and put blue 242 loctite on all screws.
There is no right or wrong way to use a sidesaddle. It's whatever works for the shooter. Also, for the round holder on the buttstock. Don't use those crappy cloth ones or yes the round will fall out. Use a neoprene holder instead. I could shoot all day with my 12 gauge and the rounds will never fall out.
Great idea of having the specialty rounds facing downwards. I have a five rouind shell holder on my ati six pos but stock so I was thinking of putting my specialty rounds there. In my mind in a self defense situation I would use the specialty rounds only if my primary round which is bird shot so I won't hit undesired targets from missing or over penetration or if the target is so high on something bird shot won't stop him. Your vid gets me thinking though.
Are you using live rounds to demonstrate? You might be the only person in the room but it's the concept of loading and chambering a live round, invest in some training rounds if you need to.
Great video, but I was reading that putting brass down in a plastic side saddle wasn't a good idea because the recoil could knock the shells loose. But if you had an elastic side saddle then it would be perfect for brass down. And you also don't really need to worry about the shells blowing up. I read that it would take a lot for the primer to be struck. But anyways, awesome video, considered subscribed :D
The front 2 rounds should be placed up, that way you can quickly tilt the shotgun to the side, rack the action back and insert a round into the window of the chamber... aka the combat reload.
If you're a lefty (as I am) having the rounds face up is faster.
As far as which way the primers face, there is always the potential danger of what you mentioned. I can think of a half dozen examples of either way that could be hazardous.
@admiralackbar999 It always depends on what the side saddle is made of and what the manufacturer recommends for it. It also makes a difference if its high brass or low brass and how far you place it in the side saddle.
plastic gets soft and shells can drop. Tactical load the first one then time will be on your side to load from the top. That's just me and my way of doing it. I still fully respect you philosophy though. Nice post
Hey no need to be sarcastic. I don't backflip or use my toes. I have taken some training wich require movement on basic standing, kneeling and lying positions. I just was offering my perspective, specialy science you stated in the video your way WAS THE CORRECT way on doing it. I should have guess by your narcissistic nickname that constructive criticism would be taken ok.
@jeshely I wasnt being sarcastic. I was just trying to reinforce the point you made. What works for you is the way you should do it. No matter who tells you. It was the correct way I demonstrated: the products were designed to be used in that manner. I wasnt putting you down...
@LegendSexy Listen man I appreciate you making these videos. I respect your opinion. I just going to leave this tread with this: You say the side saddle was designed to be use the way you demo it. I think you did a good demo, but to say that is they way they were designed is just not true. If go and look and the tackstar side saddle box they show a shorty with pistol grip with their side saddle mounted and the ammo with the primers up. Go figure! They were designed to give you BOTH options.
@jeshely Marketing and design are different. Tacstar was not the first designer of side saddles. I left out one important point on why you run your shells primer down. Some optics and sites sometimes impede faster reloads. Also all major firearms courses teach faster reloads primer down including 3 gun. Most Military and SWAT firearms courses teach it also. I always tell people run it the way it is comfortable. But this was the by the book way of running a side saddle. Agree to disagree.
I respect your opinion, but to say that one is the correct way and the other is not i just dont dig it. You could say that you prefeer and are more proficient with primers down and thats ok. For once the same reason that you had stated that specialty rnds are ok primer up, because faster to put directly on the chamber should apply if your POU is to use the side saddle for tactical reloads only. Also it will be more dificult to drop rnds.
Also when primers are down and you are running and gunning some of those rounds will get lose and some may drop it has happend to me. So people need to practice and evaluate in their POU what will be best for them. Both methods have advantages and disadvantages.
@jeshely The way I show is how they were designed to work. However you are right. As long as the way works for the person, it doesnt matter. If you are shooting upside down backflipping and pulling the trigger with your toes, then do it that way. Everyone needs to develop what works for them. Rounds do get loose, thats why I mention pushing them a little farther onto the brass. That keeps them from loosening up as much. Thanks for watching!
I just got a 4 round side saddle for my 870 and I love it! I load the first round primer up for the exact reason you mentioned. I thin I'll run a slug there when I get some
@MidAtlanticPrepper Most people that Ive met in my life that are left handed, shoot with their right had still. Otherwise hot brass or shells tend to eject into their face or arms. If you can find a left handed firearm run it the same way just reversed. If a regular firearm doesnt bother you and you shoot left handed; make sure to load with your right hand, keep your left hand on the grip, and the barrel pointing down range.
Good video. I did not really come here for a reason. (suggestion box) and I don't think I will ever end up in a situation where I will need this advice, but I'm sure it was helpful to others and it was very official. Good job =)
The brass from a round is more dangerous than the bullet portion is. It is simple physics that the lighter brass casing will travel away from the point of explosion faster because the explosion will take the path of least resistance, towards the casing. Trust me I was an explosives engineer in the Marines.
@TheHossUSMC Good to know. I was going by medical stories from what I've read about and what happened during each situations. Each instance the shot did more damage than the brass. I just added that to the video from those stories.
im looking at getting an 8 round Mesa Tactical side saddle for my 590 or hav OSOE make me up some 8 round Velcro backed strips and just cover the left side of the receiver w/ loop Velcro
@jdawg54874 Ive never seen an 8 rounder. Im defintiely going to look into them. Im not the biggest fan of velcro cause where I live theres a lot of snow in the winter time. That moisture really affects the sticking power of it. If you get a chance let me know how it turns out. I would love to see it. Thanks!
Protect your primers, an unchambered detonation of a round woulld be bad no matter what way it was pointed. But you are right about the brass down configuation being faster.
@Duane77able Ya I know what you mean. Its more or less, the lesser of the bads. I got to see pictures of both situations from one of my med books. Not good at all. Thanks for watching!
I usually roll w/ 1up, 5 down on the side saddle. I found that loading shells with my right hand from shells facing up position into the open cocked chamber is pretty fast. Although it is taught that you never want to compromise your firing grip, I am able to get fast follow up shots on emergency reload drills, even at targets out to 25 yds. I practiced it so much that is is as fast as my transition to secondary weapon. Bad Technique or Viable Option?
TheNopedawg 10 hours ago
Great video. Made a lot of sense. I tried it with my new Saddle and I could do it quickly and efficiently.
roosterjumseven 3 days ago
My dream shotgun...
bigdogbuc 3 days ago
What brand is your side saddle?
osirisadvocate 2 weeks ago
Branches, striking primers since.. wait a second..
Renegadev22 1 month ago
Really nice vid. I enjoyed it. Thanks. Going to buy a side saddle this PM. Oh. BTW the correct word is "orient" not "orientate", just saying.
betaursamajoris 1 month ago
If a shell were to be detonated on your side-saddle, the brass case head would be the most likely dangerous projectile, not the heavy shot load. Shotgun shells firing out of battery typically just blow out the side of the hull, relatively harmlessly.
Oldsmobility98 1 month ago
check my home defense vid, thats how they should be kept
garrettzkool63 1 month ago
I understand what u are saying , thanks for video . nobody wants to video responce but they want to add some comment against your video. we all need more practice with a side saddle . i like the idea of having slugs in different ,and bottom feed looks easier . up/down just do the way you are fastest at and practice , and put blue 242 loctite on all screws.
glock2026 2 months ago
There is no right or wrong way to use a sidesaddle. It's whatever works for the shooter. Also, for the round holder on the buttstock. Don't use those crappy cloth ones or yes the round will fall out. Use a neoprene holder instead. I could shoot all day with my 12 gauge and the rounds will never fall out.
gmaster45612374 2 months ago
@gmaster45612374 And you are absolutely correct. There is no right or wrong way.
getemhi 1 month ago
Great idea of having the specialty rounds facing downwards. I have a five rouind shell holder on my ati six pos but stock so I was thinking of putting my specialty rounds there. In my mind in a self defense situation I would use the specialty rounds only if my primary round which is bird shot so I won't hit undesired targets from missing or over penetration or if the target is so high on something bird shot won't stop him. Your vid gets me thinking though.
Jasper50 2 months ago
Ummmmm, combat reload..
2 up.
T1meW4st3d 2 months ago
Are you using live rounds to demonstrate? You might be the only person in the room but it's the concept of loading and chambering a live round, invest in some training rounds if you need to.
AZGoose1 2 months ago
what r specialty rounds?
secutorclaudius 2 months ago
on my side saddle i keep the first one brass up so i can load it right into the chamber. the rest are brass down for the reasons you explained.
TacticalEagle43 2 months ago
Great video, but I was reading that putting brass down in a plastic side saddle wasn't a good idea because the recoil could knock the shells loose. But if you had an elastic side saddle then it would be perfect for brass down. And you also don't really need to worry about the shells blowing up. I read that it would take a lot for the primer to be struck. But anyways, awesome video, considered subscribed :D
lacrosseman311 2 months ago
First two rounds should be facing up: quick reload from top, slug change over, etc.
kayak17 3 months ago
IMO sidesaddles make excellent material for filling up trashcans.
TheHeretic2011 3 months ago
The front 2 rounds should be placed up, that way you can quickly tilt the shotgun to the side, rack the action back and insert a round into the window of the chamber... aka the combat reload.
If you're a lefty (as I am) having the rounds face up is faster.
As far as which way the primers face, there is always the potential danger of what you mentioned. I can think of a half dozen examples of either way that could be hazardous.
ffryan 3 months ago
someone told me to put them brass up since the weight of the shell might make them fall . . . .huh. . . . .ya learm something new every day. . . .
admiralackbar999 3 months ago
@admiralackbar999 It always depends on what the side saddle is made of and what the manufacturer recommends for it. It also makes a difference if its high brass or low brass and how far you place it in the side saddle.
LegendSexy 3 months ago
plastic gets soft and shells can drop. Tactical load the first one then time will be on your side to load from the top. That's just me and my way of doing it. I still fully respect you philosophy though. Nice post
nealthesteel 4 months ago
@nealthesteel Ya all side saddles are not made equally! A lot of cheaper ones ive used make it a heck of a time to use them.
LegendSexy 4 months ago
00 buck in the mag and slugs brass side up in my saddle, for breech / tactical loading.
shocknm 5 months ago
@shocknm Cool
LegendSexy 4 months ago
Hey no need to be sarcastic. I don't backflip or use my toes. I have taken some training wich require movement on basic standing, kneeling and lying positions. I just was offering my perspective, specialy science you stated in the video your way WAS THE CORRECT way on doing it. I should have guess by your narcissistic nickname that constructive criticism would be taken ok.
jeshely 7 months ago
@jeshely I wasnt being sarcastic. I was just trying to reinforce the point you made. What works for you is the way you should do it. No matter who tells you. It was the correct way I demonstrated: the products were designed to be used in that manner. I wasnt putting you down...
LegendSexy 7 months ago
@LegendSexy Listen man I appreciate you making these videos. I respect your opinion. I just going to leave this tread with this: You say the side saddle was designed to be use the way you demo it. I think you did a good demo, but to say that is they way they were designed is just not true. If go and look and the tackstar side saddle box they show a shorty with pistol grip with their side saddle mounted and the ammo with the primers up. Go figure! They were designed to give you BOTH options.
jeshely 7 months ago
@jeshely Marketing and design are different. Tacstar was not the first designer of side saddles. I left out one important point on why you run your shells primer down. Some optics and sites sometimes impede faster reloads. Also all major firearms courses teach faster reloads primer down including 3 gun. Most Military and SWAT firearms courses teach it also. I always tell people run it the way it is comfortable. But this was the by the book way of running a side saddle. Agree to disagree.
LegendSexy 7 months ago
I respect your opinion, but to say that one is the correct way and the other is not i just dont dig it. You could say that you prefeer and are more proficient with primers down and thats ok. For once the same reason that you had stated that specialty rnds are ok primer up, because faster to put directly on the chamber should apply if your POU is to use the side saddle for tactical reloads only. Also it will be more dificult to drop rnds.
jeshely 7 months ago
Also when primers are down and you are running and gunning some of those rounds will get lose and some may drop it has happend to me. So people need to practice and evaluate in their POU what will be best for them. Both methods have advantages and disadvantages.
jeshely 7 months ago
@jeshely The way I show is how they were designed to work. However you are right. As long as the way works for the person, it doesnt matter. If you are shooting upside down backflipping and pulling the trigger with your toes, then do it that way. Everyone needs to develop what works for them. Rounds do get loose, thats why I mention pushing them a little farther onto the brass. That keeps them from loosening up as much. Thanks for watching!
LegendSexy 7 months ago
I just got a 4 round side saddle for my 870 and I love it! I load the first round primer up for the exact reason you mentioned. I thin I'll run a slug there when I get some
Mrcaffinebean 9 months ago
@Mrcaffinebean Nice
LegendSexy 9 months ago
Good video Legend--I need to get a side saddle for my shotgun.
MrM2hb 9 months ago
@MrM2hb Thanks Mr 50! Show us when you do. I always like seeing your toys!
LegendSexy 9 months ago
Good info, quick and well demonstrated. Easy to see.
enriquesonora1500 9 months ago
Good info, quick and well demostrated. Easy to see.
enriquesonora1500 9 months ago 2
@enriquesonora1500 Thanks!
LegendSexy 9 months ago
What if you are left handed?
MidAtlanticPrepper 9 months ago
@MidAtlanticPrepper Most people that Ive met in my life that are left handed, shoot with their right had still. Otherwise hot brass or shells tend to eject into their face or arms. If you can find a left handed firearm run it the same way just reversed. If a regular firearm doesnt bother you and you shoot left handed; make sure to load with your right hand, keep your left hand on the grip, and the barrel pointing down range.
LegendSexy 9 months ago
I've had many an argument over this - (the reason I have my shells with the primer at the bottom on my shotguns).
Your video has just confirmed everything I shout about!
Excellent job - from now on I'm just gona hold my breath and send them this link.
cuntbollockswank 9 months ago
@cuntbollockswank Haha nice!
LegendSexy 9 months ago
Good video. I did not really come here for a reason. (suggestion box) and I don't think I will ever end up in a situation where I will need this advice, but I'm sure it was helpful to others and it was very official. Good job =)
inklasso 9 months ago
@inklasso Thanks Ink!
LegendSexy 9 months ago
great vid!!!! I've been doing it wrong, thanks for setting me straight!
bobosantos1 9 months ago
@bobosantos1 Glad it helped:)
LegendSexy 9 months ago
★★★★★
MadBadVoodo 9 months ago
@MadBadVoodo Thanks for watching Richard! How you feeling?
LegendSexy 9 months ago
@LegendSexy Still in a lot of pain...
MadBadVoodo 9 months ago
great info!!!!
parlusk1791 9 months ago
@parlusk1791 Thanks for watching buddy! Your gf is keeping you off skype lately haha. I havent talked to you in a while.
LegendSexy 9 months ago
@preppingmonk Thanks Monk
LegendSexy 9 months ago
The brass from a round is more dangerous than the bullet portion is. It is simple physics that the lighter brass casing will travel away from the point of explosion faster because the explosion will take the path of least resistance, towards the casing. Trust me I was an explosives engineer in the Marines.
TheHossUSMC 9 months ago
@TheHossUSMC Good to know. I was going by medical stories from what I've read about and what happened during each situations. Each instance the shot did more damage than the brass. I just added that to the video from those stories.
LegendSexy 9 months ago
@LegendSexy Mythbusters did a test on ammo in an oven and only the bullet from a .50 bmg did more damage than the casing.
TheHossUSMC 9 months ago
Nice vid!
Simmstar 9 months ago
@Simmstar Thanks Simmstar
LegendSexy 9 months ago
im looking at getting an 8 round Mesa Tactical side saddle for my 590 or hav OSOE make me up some 8 round Velcro backed strips and just cover the left side of the receiver w/ loop Velcro
jdawg54874 9 months ago
@jdawg54874 Ive never seen an 8 rounder. Im defintiely going to look into them. Im not the biggest fan of velcro cause where I live theres a lot of snow in the winter time. That moisture really affects the sticking power of it. If you get a chance let me know how it turns out. I would love to see it. Thanks!
LegendSexy 9 months ago
What, no chick and a horse vid? Very misleading, but still good info thanks.
jokermike2 9 months ago
@jokermike2 Haha I guess I should I put something to clarify in the title. Thanks for watching!
LegendSexy 9 months ago
Excellent, thanks for sharing.
mostlymichaelcanada 9 months ago
@mostlymichaelcanada Thanks
LegendSexy 9 months ago
Protect your primers, an unchambered detonation of a round woulld be bad no matter what way it was pointed. But you are right about the brass down configuation being faster.
Duane77able 9 months ago
@Duane77able Ya I know what you mean. Its more or less, the lesser of the bads. I got to see pictures of both situations from one of my med books. Not good at all. Thanks for watching!
LegendSexy 9 months ago
GOOD VID LEGEND
MrVTHILLBILLY 9 months ago
@MrVTHILLBILLY Thanks VT. Means a lot coming from you!
LegendSexy 9 months ago