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but apart frm ur arguments I noticed u guys are talkin abt Jesus an putinA.S after this name,You are talkin as christian,May be u Are referring to hazrat Issa A.S,y dont u guy call him By Hazrat Issa A.S.
Secondly i want to knw witot offending people does shian beat themselves or do goon,i just wana knw this abt shia,as i heard lots fings just wanna confirms..
@blueeagleTFL Shia do not beat themselves per say, it is their way of mourning the tragedy of Karbala. You will think they are crazy unless you actually researched all about Karbala, Imam Hussain, and how Ahlulbait and Shia have been persecuted since the death of the Prophet PBUH. It is not a yes or no answer, it is a topic that has a massive area of debate and discussion, with many different views. I suggest you listen to lectures by Ammar Nakshawani :)
@blueeagleTFL Your questions are a joke. Do shia's beat themselves ? You sound like the mainstream media trying to generalize a whole ideology based on the actions of people on one specific event.
Your second question is even more pathetic. If Ali was successor then why did Abu Bark get the caliphate ? Its like saying if Jesus taught Islam then why does the Catholic church exist.
@fiddymcdiddy46 To claim the three foremost companions of the prophet (SAW) - Abu Bakr, Umar and Othman [ra] were all usurper's, is casting a massive vote of no confidence in Muhammed (SAW). Sorry, but you are very misguided. And don't beat yourself, that is definitely some sort of haraam innovation.
@blueeagleTFL Vote of no confidence huh ? What about Jesus, who betrayed him ? It was his campanion. Being a campanion of a prophet does not guarantee you Jennah. Nor does being a wife of a prophet garantee you jennah The Quran is very clear on that.
@blueeagleTFL Can i ask who made abubaker the caliph , Was it the people or Allah. The people Voted for Abubaker , you dont think the prophet would have made it clear who his successor was, do u think he died without saying "Whoever i was a mawla of, then Ali is his Mawla"
@blueeagleTFL You should look into who deviated from RAssoulAllah's (sawas) word, who met at Saqifa and decided themselves to split the original Islam? Actually you know what you should do? Look into the closest person to the Prophet (SAWAS) his beloved daughter, Fatima (SA). Look up her speaches, her death, her life, and there I guarantee you will find the truth after the Prophet(sawas) and who is responsible for this sad division. And use Sunni sources too, it's even better. F'AmanAllah :)
SHIAS CREATE TEN DAYS OF FUSS ON DEATH OF HUSSAIN AND CURSE YAZID LAIN (WHO KILLED HUSSAIN WITH HELP OF 30000 SHIAS OF KUFA) BUT SHIAS NEVER CREATE FUSS ON DEATH OF ALI FOR DAYS, NEITHER SHIAS CURSE THEIR IMAME AZAM IBNE MULJUM KHARJI WHO KILLED ALI, WHY? WHAT IS THIS MUNAFAQAT OF SHIAS? TEN DAYS FOR HUSSAIN AND NOT A SINGLE DAY FOR ALI, WHERE LOVE OF SHIAS DISAPPEAR IN CASE OF ALI? WHY SHIAS DONT CREATE FUSS ON DEATH OF ALI? IS HUSSAIN ABOVE ALI IN SHIAISM?
Two things the prophet (pbuh) said. The Quran and the Sunnah You will not go astray. Follow them Brothers and sisters and hold on to the rope of Allah and do not be divided.
Those who harm the companions ALL any of the Companions of prohphet Muhammad (pbuh) harm our beloved prophet (pbuh) and the those who harm the prophet )pbuh) attampt to harm Allah (SWT) so I ask Allah to cleanse our hearts and unite us all and focus your energy tohether on the ones who intend to harm us ALL.
@bigdaddyleb You cant say all of the companions are good and will go to heaven, only the household of the Prophet are sinless. Some companions killed each other and dent follow what Prophet Mohammed ordered, you sunnies forget theta IMAM Ali and Lady fatima AS are from the household of the Master of Prophets...you rather choose Abu blur over Imam Ali which is wrong.
Two things the prophet (pbuh) said. The Quran and the Sunnah You will not go astray. Follow them Brothers and sisters and hold on to the rope of Allah and do not be divided.
Those who harm the companions ALL the Companions of prohphet Muhammad (pbuh) harm our beloved prophet (pbuh) and the those who harm the prophet )pbuh) attampt to harm Allah (SWT) so I ask Allah to cleanse our hearts and unite us all and focus your energy tohether on the ones who intend to harm us ALL.
@Zobree Im not talking about whiether they existed or not, of couse they existed im talking about actually respecting them for they did in islam, not cursing them
@AliAsgarshah, Both of these questions have - THOROUGLY and with SUNNI SOURCES - been answered in Answering-Ansar(dot)org website under Answers Tab. The dash is the upper dash and not the lower dash. U obviously cant imagine anyone to present all the sources and replies in a post of 500 characters right? In short Taqiyyah is sanctioned in Quraan (AnNahal:106 ) and the marriage of Ume Khulthoom (pbuh) is a fabrication. U will get your answers, if you are really looking for the truth.
It is mentioned in Al- Kafi that Hazrat Ali gave his daughter to Hazrat Umar for marriage. Now if your book has a lie in it then you base yoru own arguements from Kulayni the author of Kafi then your own extreme misguided astray stance is baseless and a road to perdition.
Now the question arises is that did Ali a.s gave his daughter to a munafiq (God forbid).
Now then have you actually followed the example of Maula Ali a.s. If as per you Imam Ali did not fight against the first three pious Caliphs for maintaining the goodwill of the muslim Ummah then why are you spoiling this sacrifice as per your beliefs by not having any taqqiyaa!.
Is not taqqiyya as pe what shakh saduq mentioned in hsi book Al shia 9 tenths of yoru religion.
the above speech is really great. Truth has become so clear only monkeys will reject it. Ultimately, those who feel offended by my comment should listen to the speech again and move beyond their cognitive dissonance and make the right choice not to be monkeys anymore. choose to be real principled humans.
The Shia do respect those Sahaba whose actions are good. But they dont accept those who acted against the Ahl-e-bayt. How can you consider yourself followers of Ali (as) and those of the sahaba who waged war on him? You cant. If you imagine you do, then you are not being reasonable
@MotorCityAutoCare your sect dose not believe Prophet [s] Appoint Imam Ali [as] as Successor but the shia sect dose, we should respect each sects opinions was salamu alaykum
Ali (as) followed the first three because he did not want to destroy the unity of the community. He was not the one who threw the community into fitna. However he did not consider them the best or most rightful. And Umar's marriage to Ali (as) daughter was not a happy one. It was something which Umar demanded.
@aldosany you stupid suc ker. You have not any knowledge you just speaks loudly. Ali (a.s) was the hero of khandaq khyber. And you says he was coward. But unfortunately coward was your three idiots and you three fathers. Who left Rasool (s.a.w) alone. And run away Sala baat kerta hai. 3 idots pe lanat beshumar
i thank Alalh everyday for guiding me to the true islam and pray for all muslims to be guided to this straight path too: the path of muhammed and his holy purified family.
you sunnis should stopp commenting on this vid u dnt know anything at all thts y i left sunni islam which i was with for 20 years too shia islam which is the true path
3rdly ...Imam Ali would just stand there & do nothing while his wife Sayeda Fatima r.A was supposedly killed by S. Umar r.A and\or S. Abu Bakr r.A. Another incorrect story that contradicts Imam Ali's character.
4thly Again S. Abu Bakr r.A did not give Sayeda Fatima r.A the piece of land that she had supposedly received from the Prophet (asws) as inheritance. And again Imam Ali r.A stayed quiet & didn't defend his wife's request.
@ne6 he wasnt even in the house when umar(kaffiriun) came, and if prophets cant inherent then howcome nabi zakaria left inherentince for his son nabi yahya, nd imam Ali was quite he didnt want to cuz fitna, nd u say tht but who used 2 question the prophet all the time Umar, Abu bakr who ran away from wars umar, abu bakr
@falloutintohell first of all... please speak with respect & in a civilized way. There is no need to call any companion a kaffir & 2ndly ... no one ran away from any wars. Can you tell me what nabi Zakaria a.s left as inheritance for his nabi Yahya a.s ? And are you saying that questioning the prophet was not a smart or wise or noble thing to do ? They didn't question the message, they questioned the reasons behind the revelations, etc.
2ndly ...assuming S. Ali r.A was to be the first Khalifa AND assuming S. Abu Bakr r.A took S. Ali's position's as first Khalifa...it would only make sense that Imam Ali r.A would automatically be nominated or elected as the SECOND Khalifa. But he didn't even go for 3rd !! We all know Imam Ali's character as very brave and strong, so we cannot believe that he would remain quiet for not one, not two, but for 3 "unjust" Khalifa's. This is absurd as it is unbelievable.
@ne6 the reason y he didnt go4 3rd becuz umar made a commity of 6 2 ecelct th next kalifah this 6 5 of the members were trying 2 make sure Ali didnt become Kalifah soo they said Ali the only way u can become kalifah is if u followed the same traditions as abu bakr nd umar so he said no becuz they were kaffiriun
@falloutintohell but Sayedna Ali r.A still became the Khalifah. This ignorance is so frustrating... Please use your brains... If they didn't want him to be Khalifah, why did he become the 4th Khalifah ?!! Alhamdulillah I left Shia Islam...& I will tell you why. Which one would u choose; a group that brings the companions and the family of the prophet (s) together or a group that seperates them ?!!
@sh3rri1 SubhanAllah... That just shows how much Shia contradict themselves... Mohamed a.s.w.s was the last prophet... why ? Issa a.s was a prophet ... why ? Nabi Musa a.s was a prophet ... why ? Because ALL of them were appointed by Allah (swt) ... if Ali r.A was appointed by Allah (swt) to be the first Khalifah... then why wasn't he ?? It's a loose-loose argument for the Shia from whatever angle you look at it. May Allah guide us to the His path. Ameen.
thats exactly right and every Prophet had a successor appointed by the will of Allah s.wt. up until the next Prophet the same way u cant choose a Prophet is the same way you cant appoint a successor there are no ''loose arguements'' here ya akhi and another thing Imam Ali a.s was and i repeat was appointed successor by the command of Allah s.w.t ALLHUMDILLALLAH
@sh3rri1 wsalam akhi...I meant "lose" NOT "loose" my mistake...it was grammatical typo...but regarding your response...
1st of all...if you are referring to the successors of the prophets mentioned in the Quran... yes they were chosen by Allah...but they were prophets as well. So even the successors of the prophets are prophets. Can you tell me where in the Quran the successor-ship of Ali r.A is mentioned ? Anyway, it's ok...I am not trying to debate... it's just a discussion :-)
there are many bits and pieces in The Holy Book of Allah that Ahlul-Beit a.s are the true Believers and are indeed The Righteous Ones youve just gotta read and believe me you will discover the truth i.e Noble Quran 34:47..33:33..42:23..2:247..53:3-4..3:61 and many more..which book of hadith are you currently reading or have read?
@sh3rri1 subhanAllah...it's funny to me how this brother (Hassanain) is talking about Ali r.A as if he is defending him; as if Ali r.A has been insulted or degraded somehow ?!! Ahlus Sunnah has utmost love and respect for Ali r.A
Anyway, there is not doubt that the Ahlul Bayt are not true believers or are not the righteous ones. This is an in-depth discussion which unfortunately cannot take place online because of restrictions, but those verses need a thorough examination.
but as a matter of fact ahlul sunna have degraded the position of Imam Ali a.s and they have placed an infallible successor 4th with 11 other corrupted successors according 2 your beliefs.do u know the Prophets p.b.u.h final requests? {the Prophet p.b.u.h did not say anything without the authority of Allah s.w.t.} He left behind The Book Of Allah s.w.t and His Progeny a.s to degrade the position of Imam Ali a.s is as if u dont follow sunnat Al-Rasool!
@sh3rri1 Sayedna Ali's position never has & never will be degraded by ahlul sunnah & wAllahi if it is...I shall leave it right away.
The prophet's message started out with one man & is now the 2nd largest religion in the world, by the will of Allah. If it was the will of Allah for Ali r.A to be the 1st imam\Khalifah, wAllahi it would have happened.
Not accepting & believing & following the most beloved companions of the prophet is wAllahi a major lack of confidence in Rasool Allah a.s.w.s
@ne6 it has happened according 2 us and yes according 2 the sh'ia he a.s was and still is the first Imam/Kalifa. and as a matter of fact ya akhi the Prophet was so confident in his speech that when he said ''I am the city of knowledge and Ali is the gate he who believes i am his Prophet must also acknowledge that Ali is his Imam except there will b no Prophet after me'' who is better to follow than someone being from the same family as the Rassol? {noble Quran}
@sh3rri1 There is no doubt that the prophet a.s.w.s said "I am the knowledge and Ali is its gate" but that doesn't mean he is the 1st imam ?!!
The Prophet didn't say that Ali r.A will be the first imam & if people knew that the Prophet had even hinted it, they would have never accepted Abu Bakr's r.A or Umar's r.A or Uthman's r.A khilafa.
People knew akhi who was the chosen one to be the successor because the prophet a.s.w.s had indirectly announced it.
@ne6 istag'farAllah ya akhi your confused! why are u complicating the message brought upon the muslim Ummah ? its so easy to understand.. the PROPHET warned His near ones first @36:00 so therefore who was his 1st kin? Imam Ali a.s is.. true? it is your choice in the end of the day!i suggest you don't ''doubt'' the Prophets p.b.u.h words Shia believe Ahlul-Bayt were the chosen ones,not the companions,,,, SIMPLE
@sh3rri1 yea but akhi...my point is...sunni belief brings together ahlul-bayt & the sahaba (companions) where-as shia belief seperates ahlul-bayt & the sahaba. WAllahi you're right... the message is simple...I would NEVER EVER doubt the Prophet's words. From my understanding, the shia misunderstand his words.
@ne6 history speaks a thousand words brother it is not us who separated the muslim Ummah alleigence had be paid to a successor back then and refusing to pay meant war so when Imam Ali a.s refused to pay abu bakr meant war !!! why should Imam Ali a.s pay someone alleigance when you even admit that the Prophet said '' Ali mun baedee'' meaning Ali is after me ???except there will be no Prophet after him p.b.u.h if it was me back then i would off fought with Imam Ali a.s im sure u wouldnt though :)
@sh3rri1 ok... very good...I request that when you have a discussion or a debate brother...please have an open mind so either you convince me or I convince you inshAllah :-)
When Ali r.A was supposed to be the first successor after the Prophet & it was unfairly taken from him by Abu Bakr r.A... you said this means war right ?!!? Now was there a war ??
Was there even a war for 2nd or 3rd successor after the death of the Prophet ??
@sh3rri1 This is common sense bro and I keep saying it. 1st of all...I never admitted that the Prophet said "Ali is after me" definitely I'm hearing this for the first time.
And yes if u are referring to the war that took place between Ali r.A & Mu'awiya then definitely I would have taken Ali's r.A side because he was right. Let me ask you one simple question bro...
Allah is talking about the companion of the prophet a.s.w.s who was with him in the cave; chapter 9 verse 40... who is he ??
@ne6 am i reading this correctly? well apparantly i have done my research on who the sunnah believe their qualified successors are and amongst them was and still is Mu'awiya (l.a) and now your telling me that you will fight your very own successor muawiya hmmm?? you just prooved a very interesting point to me.your successors werent very successful were they?
@sh3rri1 Brother you're taking things out of context... we know that Sayedna Ali was on the right side when the there was confrontation between him & Mu'awiya. But we also know that this doesn't make Mu'awiya a hypocrite or a disbeliever ? Mu'awiya had made a wrong judgment but after the war, he reconciled with Sayedna Ali. Yes after Ali r.A died, Mu’awiya became the successor and it was still one ummah. Even imam Hasan r.A, was he wrong for taking Mu’awiya as his successor ?
@ne6 confrontation?think about it! if muawiya made wrong judgement can u imagine what other ''wrong judgements'' he made to?Imam Al-Hassan a.s was second kalifa he never agreed that muawiya take His a.s place? where do u get your fabricated info from ??how can anyone allow a coward that caused riots with the Prophets family to become his/her successor? can u tell me which Prophet had a sucessor that was not ''blood related?''none not one!!
@sh3rri1 Sayedna Hasan r.A gave his pledge of allegiance to Mu'awiya. This is agreed upon by both groups.
All the prophets who had successors were NOT blood related & for those who were blood related... the successors were PROPHETS... as in the case of Musa & Haroon... they were both prophets AND brothers.
If you're referring to the famous hadith of the Prophet a.s.w.s to ALi r.A "you're to me "like" Haroon was to Musa" he just wanted to emphasize the close brotherly relationship with ALi
@ne6 Allah Ho' Akbar !! what an honour if the Prophet p.b.u.h put Imam Ali a.s in that beautiful postion you can only imagine how the Prophet must feel if some one were to kill Imam Ali a.s not only would the Prophet b angry but whatever angers the Prophet angers Allah s.w.t
@sh3rri1 ..of course the prophet asws will be angry at whomever killed Ali rA or Uthman rA or Umar rA, etc etc. You guys need to do a lotttt of research...and use the brain that Allah has given you & put two & two together before it's too late. I can prove people like ammar nakhshwani wrong from his own talks & you guys take him as one of the biggest scholars of shia islam.
@ne6 who said anything about Allah s.w.t being happy with the killers of Ahlul-Beit a.s i didnt ! did you? our researsh is complete thank you very much and as for you ya Akhi i think you need to stop praising the killers and begin to recognise the difference between fact and fairytale''
@sh3rri1 .. Ya ukhti I tried so I won't be held responsible. Clearly fact stands out from fiction or fairy-tale. Allah huma salle-ala Muhamad wa-la aalehi wa sahbihi wa salam.
its ok. if you love those who run away from battles and who do ijtihad to kill muslims, who disobey Rasulullah s.a.a.w, its your choice. We are tired of explaining to you. and we dont have to.
your arguments are not your own. its parroted arguments and we can only expect that much from you.
anw, we will pray for you together that if you have kids, they will grow up to be like Umar and Abu Bakar or Muawiya insyaallah. ok. happy? :)
@yusufbest ..I don't control the hearts but I was expecting u to understand the true message of Islam. I wasn't trying to argue ..I was just trying to have an intellectual discussion with intellectuals. I make dua for all Muslims to have children who will grow up to be like Abu Bakr (rA) or like Umar rA or like Ali rA , etc .. etc.
if having blind faith in fitna spread by wahhabis is considered intellectual, then you are the most intellectual person around.
we dont want our kids to be like Umar and Abu Bakar please
Imam Ali a.s. yes.
all muslims want our kids to be soldiers of Imam Mahdi's army and he need those who are firm against disbelievers and show mercy towards believers not the ones who are vice versa..
@ne6 excuse me mybrother i couldnt help but realize ur comments can u pls explain to me what ur sect believes of the shia,what do u find wrong about following the prophet and ahlul bayt(sa)? pls explain ur sect's point of veiw.
@moe8448 ..don't worry about what others believe of the shia because it's not very pleasing. But myself ..I now consider the shia as muslims.
..I myself feel that I never understood true Islam as a shia & now as a sunni alhamdulillah, I have a better understanding of it. I feel closer to Allah. May Allah guide us all to His chosen path inshAllah. Ameen.
@moe8448 .. the issue of khilafa, the issue of fadak, the issue of temporary marriage, the issue of imamate & their infallability, the shia aqeeda & many other issues make no sense to me, even if there weren't ahadith to prove them wrong\right.
@ne6 my friend you say temporary marriage(mut'ah) maybe you should see what a sunni believes is halal it's called" MISYAR "(sunni temporary marriage) look it up and then talk about which is legal of the two. the sunnis are hypocrytical when it comes to temporary marriage now you can see for your self brother.they were infallible ya habibi did you ever see any of them make a mistake. And my friend the immamate is clear, come on brother you know ameer ul mumineen he is amazing dnt ever forget that
@moe8448 ..habibi misyar is NOTHING like mut'ah...misyar is not temporary at all. Misyar is a regular marriage...except...the couple mutually agree to waive off certain rights like the wife will say that she doesn't need her husband to support her & she can support herself (financially). So it's a normal marriage except the husband has waived off the right to financially support her. This actually makes things easier for those brothers that are not financially able support their wives.
@marcstylzzz .. Not prostitution if you're referring to misyar buddy. Prostitution is temporary when misyar is not & I think we all know which is temporary between misyar & muta.
@moe8448 ..no son of adam is infallible because if they were...that would make them divine & divinity is for Allah (swt) only. ALi (rA) was amazing but he was not the first khalifah & that's just reality. Imamate is a vague & irrelevant concept with very little logical to it.
@ne6 53:1-4 Qur'an tells us something else. so who should i believe, you or Qur'an? and if guidance is illogical to you but ruler ship is...then there is no baseline here, hence no argument.
@ne6 that`s ur personal choice and no1 here forces u to be shia. islam is plain and so clear, the prophet said i leave u with 2 weighty things the book of Alalh and my ahlulbayt. u choosed to follow ur desire (sahaba) and we follow the command of the prophet which comes directly from Alalh. Allah guides whoever he wants. :P
@AllThingSPerish ..A more stronger note, the prophet a.s.w.s said I leave you with two things so that you don't go astray .. Allah's book & my sunnah. Yes I follow (or at least "try to" follow) the book of Allah & the prophet's sunnah. But I follow his family too...because guess who they (his family) followed ?!! The beloved companions of the prophet a.s.w.s.
@ne6 where to find Prophets sunat.According to sunni books Prophet said not to write his hadis.Omer and abubakar burned all hadis.it was compiled 30yrs after prophets death
@raza2nice ...brother I have one question that I want you to ask yourself and all other shia muslims to ask themselves. Which sect\group dissociated\detached themselves from mainstream Islam ? Take a look at what the Quran says about this. Let me know if you want chapter and verse numbers. Even if the ahadith books were compiled 30 yrs after the prophet's death...shia ahadith were still being "revealed" from Imam Hasan al Askari which was almost 10 centuries ago. Does that make sense ?
Shia did not detach from the "main stream" muslims. Infact there were shias of Ali (A.S.) even in the time of first three Caliph. Those three ones took the majority of Muslims to wards misguidance and then Mwuwiya struck the fatal blow to the muslim unity.
You take hadith even from the killer of Imam Hussein (A.S.) as they are present in "Sahih" Bukhari.
We take the hadith from the very family of Prophet (P.B.U.H & H.P.) as they are divinely
@ne6 chosen and knowledge has been passed in form of family traditions as Imam Hassan Askari (A.S.) would say that he listened from his father (A.S.) and he listened from his father (A.S.) until the chain goes back to the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.W).
@ne6 Be fair, which chain is most authentic, the ones that also include the ones from the worst animal (Shimar maloon, killer of Imam Hussein (A.S.) , and many like this in you "Sahihs") or the ones from the family of Prophet (P.B.U.them) itself.
Family that is purified and given knowledge by Allah (SWT) .
@01maak ...brother there's no such thing as divinity to humans. A divine human would be very similar to God. That is exactly what the christians do; they make out Jesus (a.s) to be the son of God. Allah has made it clear who He reveals to and the prophet's (s) grand-children and great-grand-children are NOT among those who receive revelation. Clearly, the majority wouldn't deviate akhi, it's common sense. I would never take hadith or narrations from shimr. I would rather be with the group...
@01maak ... that unites the ahlul bayt & the sahabah instead of the group who seperates them. That's all. We are all still under the umbrella of la illaha ill Allah. Sayedna Ali's (radiaAllahu'anhu) status is surely of the top companions and the closest and most beloved to the prophet (s) BUT that doesn't mean he was appointed successor by rasoolAllah (s) or Allah Himself ... and if he was appointed... then he should have fought for this position for this is a position that will save Islam.
@01maak ...but he (Sayedna Ali r.A) was not only content with the first three khalifa's but he was their main advisor. This is historical and factual information. May Allah guide us all to His one, true path so we can meet these phenomenal individuals in paradise inshaAllah. Wa akhero da'wana walhamdulillahe rabel'alemeen
@ne6 to be like abubaker,umer & uthman, that must be a joke. this were nothing but cowards. run away almost from every battles, raised their voice infront of the prophet, denied the inheritance of ahlelbayt but left the homes of the wives and liars. many other things tht goes against islam. we dont consider them to be muslims let alone to teach our childrent their ways:P
@AllThingSPerish .. There's no need to insult the beloved companions of the prophet a.s.w.s. You're only making yourself look bad. They never did those things the way you're describing it. I'm not defending them because they don't need any defense. Look at the evidences that exist today ..pointing to the authenticity of the majority group of Islam. Allahuma sale-ala Mohammad wa-la alehi wa sahbihi wa sallam.
you have misunderstood the Quran. the word 'companion' in the Quran is a neutral word. Nabi Yusuf a.s's companions in prison were kafir. in Quran there is companion of hell and companion of heaven. this is in fact the peculiarity of the arabic language. dont trust me, do your own research.
@yusufbest wsalam...no u are not interrupting at all brother but let me clarify for you guys by stating the translation 9:40...
...when they were in the cave and he said to his companion, "Do not grieve; indeed Allah is with us." And Allah sent down his tranquility upon him and supported him with angels you did not see and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowest, while the word of Allah – that is the highest...
You tell me what kind of companion this verse is referring to ?
@ne6, you are looking at that with biased eyes. Allah is with everyone. the thing is why was Abu Bakar scared if he was beside Rasulullah s.a.a.w. wheres his iman?
second thing is, how do you know it is Abu Bakar? if it is based from your hadiths, I can bring more authentic sunni hadiths of other verses to prove to you that Imam Ali a.s. is the rightful successor of Rasulullah s.a.a.w.
dont think of power. remember that Jesus a.s. was a prophet even if he did not rule the jews
@yusufbest Allah is NOT with everyone. Please think about what you say before you say it. You’re diverting the issue about Abu Bakr r.A… whether he was scared or where his iman was is a different issue…even the shia say that in the verse in question, Allah is referring to Sayedna Abu Bakr. Bring me ahadith or verses that you think “proves” that Sayedna Ali was the right successor ? Jesus a.s was accepted as a prophet and as Allah’s messiah by the Christians.
"Hadhrath Imran bin Husain narrates the Prophet (s) said 'verily 'Ali is from me and I am from him. He is the Wali of every believer after me.
[Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Vol 5, Page 236, al Sahih by Ibn Habban Volume 1 page 383, Mustadrak al Hakim , Vol. 3, p. 119, Sunan al Nasai Volume 5 page 132, by Ibn Abi Sheeba Volume 6 page 383 Musnad Abu Yala Volume 1 page 293]"
there are many more such hadiths and tafseer of ayat Quran that tells us that Allah has appointed Imam Ali a.s as the successor of Rasulullah s.a.a.w. since they are in sunni books, it is not shia propaganda.
Its either you dont trust your sahih hadiths at all or admit that shias have a point.
who stayed at Uhud? the same ones who stayed for Rasulullah s.a.a.w's funeral.
anyway, Jesus a.s did not rule over the jews like moses a.s. and Rasulullah s.a.a.w.
but the early christians except him as their leader and messiah, you are right. same way, even if sunnis deny Imam ali a.s.'s right, he was still the imam.
@yusufbest ..he wasn't afraid but he was worried & guess who he was worried about ?!! Ali rA because Ali had taken the prophet's asws place while his enemies were looking for him to kill him.
He was present in many battles & has fought with bravery.
..I love him & I wish I could have known him when he was alive. He was recorded in history to have WHAT ?!! If he abused Fatima rA then I say Ali is a coward for not defending his wife, the prophet's daughter ?!! Why are you people so close minded.
@yusufbest ..I can see why I was advised not to discuss these issues because you guys are stubborn & wAllahi it's true. You guys just follow something blindly without using common sense & reason.
Jesus had followers (christians)..Moses had followers (jews)..Mohamad asws had followers & still does until today .. THEY WERE PROPHETS !!
Did Sayedna Ali rA have followers during 1st or 2nd or even the 3rd khilafa ?!?!! NO because he himself was a follower of the 1st, 2nd & 3rd khalifa.
@yusufbest ..Islamic history is pretty clear as well. Forget the verse I brought up about Abu Bakr's rA companionship...I didn't expect you guys to believe it anyway.
They didn't RUN AWAY from the battlefield. That's the shia version of the story.
2ndly .. they attended the funeral... they just didn't stay long because the khilafa was a major issue after the prophet's asws death & it needed to be taken care otherwise the ummah would have fallen apart quickly.
@yusufbest we trust our sahih books my friend...shia's do not have a point at all. Just because the prophet asws said "you're from me & I'm from you & you're the wali of every true believer" does NOT mean Ali rA is the first khalifa ?
We know what the word wali means & it does NOT mean guardian or successor .. you need to go back to the arabic language & look it up... then come back & tell me what it means because the word's meaning is pretty clear
@ne6 wouldnt you prefer to follow kalam Allah the Prophet and his family Ahlul-Beit(as)down to the last Imam the Imam Al-Mehdi (ajs) which you and i both know only the true believers will follow by the will of Allah s.w.t ? according to your kalifs your last kalif was related to abu bakr and our last kalif being Imam Al-Mehdi is related to The Greatest Man that ever lived p.b.u.h {the Prophet} ;)
@sh3rri1 ya akhi first of all...Abu Bakr r.A was from the Quraish and so was Umar r.A. Secondly the prophet's a.s.w.s family was Aisha, Abu Bakr, Umar, Hafsa, Jafar ibn abi Talib, Abdullah ibn Abbas, Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Hussein, Zeinab & so on. Alhamdulillah we (the ahlul sunnah) follow them.
In response to your comment about the family of the prophet a.s.w.s, we know that Islam doesn't promote religous leadership based on progeny, family lineage or blood relations.
@Mumineen1 May Allah forgive me and may He reward you... Thanks brother for correcting me... That's not what I meant ...I meant to say there's no doubt that they were true believers & righteous individuals. Instead I added NOT where I was not supposed to.
@ne6 subhanAllah...it's funny to me how this brother (Hassanain) is talking about Ali r.A as if he is defending him; as if Ali r.A has been insulted or degraded somehow ?!! Ahlus Sunnah has utmost love and respect for Ali r.A
Anyway, there is not doubt that the Ahlul Bayt are not true believers or are not the righteous ones. This is an in-depth discussion which unfortunately cannot take place online because of restrictions, but those verses need a thorough examination.
@sh3rri1 The most reliable hadith books out there are Bukhari & Muslim, at least from my understanding.
Those verses you mentioned can be interpreted in differently in different contexts. But even though I see that you're in Australia, I would be glad to discuss these issues with you in further detail on the phone, on skype or whatever else makes it easier than this.
so youve read the chapter in the Bukhari ''the battle of Khaiber'' Arabic English v:5 tradition #5 pp 381-383 ...
it is also narrated in many sunnah hadeths that the only one who has given Zakat while in Raku(bowing down) was Imam Ali a.s ..Asbab al-Nuzool, by Jalaluddin al-Suyti Egypt 1382 v1 p.73 sunnah reference.. along with 6 other sunnah books
@ne6 ahh ok now were on the same page doesnt Allah s.w.t. tell us to walee the individual that gave zakat whilst bowing? and not to walee the one that didnt?hhmm it makes you wonder doesnt it? did any of the companions give zakat while in raku ? no! not one
To shia brothers & sisters... the event of Ghadir Khum is undeniable BUT there was absolutely no indication by the Prophet (asws) that S. Ali r.A was to be the first Khalifa. There are many factors that play a role here. First of all... the word "maula" has been used in the Quran several times & in the respective verses they are not translated as meaning "leader" or "master" & you can verify this information.
To shia brothers & sisters... the event of Ghadir Khum is undeniable BUT there was absolutely no indication by the Prophet (asws) that S. Ali r.A was to be the first Khalifa. There are many factors that play a role here. First of all... the word "maula" has been used in the Quran several times & in the respective verses they are not translated as meaning "leader" or "master" & you can verify this information.
true sunni and shiate doctrine is parallel. I am sunni and I am glad to have heard this lecture. May ALLAH make us those who love and strive with Ahlul-baith.
i dont know some ppl still see the truth but deny it, WHo run away from wars?
WHo squshed fatum as behind the door?
who Killed saydah shabab ayhul al gena?
WHo was the worrrior of islam?
who gave his life for islam (ashura)? Fanially who WROTE your 10 books u beleive in which got millions of hadiths! iN which u have faults more than right!!!!!
NO people! Ali was too young to lead and handle the Arabs. so if you are computer Enigneer or work any such jobs, don't go to work 2morow, send you Grandpa he is older. he knows more, and that is the logic of the Sunnis
salman farsi (ra) campanion of prophet was elder than all.according to your theory of young & old he deserve caliphat more than abu bakr.age no matter in islam prophet eesa(as) was 3 days old when allah appoint him as his messenger,according to quran..understand islam without prejudice againt ahlul bayt(as).
You grudge holders, worshipers of human beings, lineage, blood line, family tree and what not. Why you talking about who deserves and who doesnt the caliphate? How would you know? And, does it really matter now? Do Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA), Hazrat Umar (RA), Hazrat Usman (RA) and, Hazrat Ali (RA) the four caliphate who succeeded Prophet MOHAMMED (SAW) discriminated or insulted each other or contradicted each other. NO never. They were like building blocks of a foundation we call Islam.
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Go through my post and answer every word of it, I know you couldnt. Those who hold the grudge in their chests against "Khulphai Rashideen" they deserve self mortification, those chests shall be beaten by their own hands untill they are alive, n after they are dead they shall burn in the hellfire for all the "Shirq" they commit for these people are Worshippers of the CREATION not the CREATOR.
And mind you the order in which Caliphs appeared in Islamic history doesnt reflect their supremacy or status or anything else correct your faith shun your Zoroastrianism. Comparing and discriminating among the companions of Prophet(SAW) is such a sinful act only one whose mind is filled with filth upto the brim'll do. The order in which caliphs appeared doesnt matter sooner you understand it the better, 1400 years is too long to hold grudge against your own religion for such a petty thing.
In Islam there is no room for Dynasty, Family, Caste, Creed, Colour, Blood Lineage, etc. Why do you think in mere 23 years Prophet (SAW) was able to bring a revolutionary change in Arab world in particular and rest of the world in general. Answer is HE(SAW) brought a Deen in shape of a social order that was based on logic and nature, and adressed every problem the society had that time. Our Prophet (SAW) stood against every term I mentioned above.
Prophet (SAW) was accused of instigating fighting and violence amongst family members and clansmen by Quraish "tribe of Prophet(SAW)", how many of the companions do you know who fought in favour of Islam under the banner of Prophet (SAW) and against their own family members and were praised by our Muhsin(SAW), How many companions belonged to different clans, countries, cultures? In Islam there is no room for favouritism or nepotism. We must worship Allah the creator not the creation.
We see Billal, Salman etc in the company of Prophet(SAW) while if it were upto you people you would have preferred it to be like a corporate run, goverened and owned by a family, where everyone else was to worship and please the family.
YOU wanted it to be a 'BEE COLONY' where one is queen while the rest toil. No, Islam stands for unity and equality where no one is superior to other. "Inna Aqramakum Indallahi Atqa'aqum", Go back to your scriptures not Zoroastrian ones but Islamic.
The Prophet (s.a.w) did not announce Imam Ali's (a.s) succession just because he was related to the Prophet (saw) in more than one way. He appointed him because Allah(swt) chose him as his successor, as he was the most capable person after the Prophet (saw).
As for 'dynasty business', you should ask why Muawiya appointed Yazid and study more about the Ummayads and Abbasids, who introduced the dynastical, monarchist rule in Islam.
may god bless him. i went to see him yesturday and i stayed from 11 pm to 5 am just listening to him. i was not even tirede or bored from the words coming out of his mouth. may god bless
For those brothers that are confused about the appointment of Ali by our Prophet, please listen to this lecture again. If you really want to know the truth. Don't beg the question.
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This lecture is crap, the person talks incohesive language and keeps on saying that he has established a fact after ever couple of sentences while as he doesnt even scratch the surface.
The speaker doesnt know how to make the talk look adhering to the cdentral idea, its all so amateur stuff
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Allah says prophet,saw, has daughters, shias reject it.
Allah says all wives of last prophet,saw, are mothers of believers and ahle bait, shias reject it.
Allah says that believers will see him on doomsday, shias reject it.
Allah proves innocence of syeda ayesha siddiqa in surah noor, shias reject it.
Allah says he was pleased with believers (including four khulfas) when they were taking bayt under tree, shias reject it
Allah says he is pleased with sahabas,shias reject it.
UsmanAli771 7 months ago
Just wanted to know if: - Hajj Hassanain Rajabali - is shiit?
celineatoo 7 months ago
@celineatoo He is a Shi'ite.
AllahKingOfUniverse 5 months ago
Assalaam,
but apart frm ur arguments I noticed u guys are talkin abt Jesus an putinA.S after this name,You are talkin as christian,May be u Are referring to hazrat Issa A.S,y dont u guy call him By Hazrat Issa A.S.
Secondly i want to knw witot offending people does shian beat themselves or do goon,i just wana knw this abt shia,as i heard lots fings just wanna confirms..
romeolve 8 months ago
@BenetLebneniye Brother Hassanain is very clever, excellent lecture.
But being brought up as a Sunni, without causing offence please can you answer me a few questions.
Do shia's beat themselves? if so, why?
If Imam Ali was appointed succesor by the Prophet(pbuh), how comes a Abu Bakr was the first caliph?
blueeagleTFL 8 months ago
@blueeagleTFL Shia do not beat themselves per say, it is their way of mourning the tragedy of Karbala. You will think they are crazy unless you actually researched all about Karbala, Imam Hussain, and how Ahlulbait and Shia have been persecuted since the death of the Prophet PBUH. It is not a yes or no answer, it is a topic that has a massive area of debate and discussion, with many different views. I suggest you listen to lectures by Ammar Nakshawani :)
TheIrisOfMyEyes 7 months ago 7
@blueeagleTFL Your questions are a joke. Do shia's beat themselves ? You sound like the mainstream media trying to generalize a whole ideology based on the actions of people on one specific event.
Your second question is even more pathetic. If Ali was successor then why did Abu Bark get the caliphate ? Its like saying if Jesus taught Islam then why does the Catholic church exist.
fiddymcdiddy46 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@fiddymcdiddy46 To claim the three foremost companions of the prophet (SAW) - Abu Bakr, Umar and Othman [ra] were all usurper's, is casting a massive vote of no confidence in Muhammed (SAW). Sorry, but you are very misguided. And don't beat yourself, that is definitely some sort of haraam innovation.
blueeagleTFL 1 month ago
@blueeagleTFL Vote of no confidence huh ? What about Jesus, who betrayed him ? It was his campanion. Being a campanion of a prophet does not guarantee you Jennah. Nor does being a wife of a prophet garantee you jennah The Quran is very clear on that.
13yoyo1 1 month ago
@blueeagleTFL Can i ask who made abubaker the caliph , Was it the people or Allah. The people Voted for Abubaker , you dont think the prophet would have made it clear who his successor was, do u think he died without saying "Whoever i was a mawla of, then Ali is his Mawla"
13yoyo1 1 month ago
I dont get this shia-sunni business, why make Islam divided?
As soon as the prophet (PBUH) departed we go against his teachings and divide ourselves.
blueeagleTFL 8 months ago
@blueeagleTFL You should look into who deviated from RAssoulAllah's (sawas) word, who met at Saqifa and decided themselves to split the original Islam? Actually you know what you should do? Look into the closest person to the Prophet (SAWAS) his beloved daughter, Fatima (SA). Look up her speaches, her death, her life, and there I guarantee you will find the truth after the Prophet(sawas) and who is responsible for this sad division. And use Sunni sources too, it's even better. F'AmanAllah :)
BenetLebneniye 8 months ago
Excellent. Pure excellence.
sockseatme 9 months ago
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MUNAFAQAT OF SHIAS:
SHIAS CREATE TEN DAYS OF FUSS ON DEATH OF HUSSAIN AND CURSE YAZID LAIN (WHO KILLED HUSSAIN WITH HELP OF 30000 SHIAS OF KUFA) BUT SHIAS NEVER CREATE FUSS ON DEATH OF ALI FOR DAYS, NEITHER SHIAS CURSE THEIR IMAME AZAM IBNE MULJUM KHARJI WHO KILLED ALI, WHY? WHAT IS THIS MUNAFAQAT OF SHIAS? TEN DAYS FOR HUSSAIN AND NOT A SINGLE DAY FOR ALI, WHERE LOVE OF SHIAS DISAPPEAR IN CASE OF ALI? WHY SHIAS DONT CREATE FUSS ON DEATH OF ALI? IS HUSSAIN ABOVE ALI IN SHIAISM?
MuhammadAhmad1 11 months ago
nur an leute ab einem IQ von 50,aufwärts anschauen
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AlBatull2010 11 months ago
Man: We were oppressed; the system imposed its immoral systems upon us which led us to be who we are!
The Angels: Wasn’t the World wide enough for you to migrate?
So no more complaining guys!
alhabbo 11 months ago
Long live Shia Sunni Unity
Long Live the Islamic Revolution
Long Live the Voice of Justice and Rationality
Down With All those who spread hatred against other muslims and label other muslims as kafirs
pakshianews 1 year ago
excellent lecture:) unfortunetly some ppl wont stop arguing this very fact pointlessly.
SomaliShia4Eva 1 year ago
tolerance is the key which leads to unity
and unity is the key to success
perazh 1 year ago
Two things the prophet (pbuh) said. The Quran and the Sunnah You will not go astray. Follow them Brothers and sisters and hold on to the rope of Allah and do not be divided.
Those who harm the companions ALL any of the Companions of prohphet Muhammad (pbuh) harm our beloved prophet (pbuh) and the those who harm the prophet )pbuh) attampt to harm Allah (SWT) so I ask Allah to cleanse our hearts and unite us all and focus your energy tohether on the ones who intend to harm us ALL.
bigdaddyleb 1 year ago
@bigdaddyleb You cant say all of the companions are good and will go to heaven, only the household of the Prophet are sinless. Some companions killed each other and dent follow what Prophet Mohammed ordered, you sunnies forget theta IMAM Ali and Lady fatima AS are from the household of the Master of Prophets...you rather choose Abu blur over Imam Ali which is wrong.
Sayegh11 1 year ago
Two things the prophet (pbuh) said. The Quran and the Sunnah You will not go astray. Follow them Brothers and sisters and hold on to the rope of Allah and do not be divided.
Those who harm the companions ALL the Companions of prohphet Muhammad (pbuh) harm our beloved prophet (pbuh) and the those who harm the prophet )pbuh) attampt to harm Allah (SWT) so I ask Allah to cleanse our hearts and unite us all and focus your energy tohether on the ones who intend to harm us ALL.
bigdaddyleb 1 year ago
@bigdaddyleb these hadis are all lies
raza2nice 1 year ago
@Zobree Im not talking about whiether they existed or not, of couse they existed im talking about actually respecting them for they did in islam, not cursing them
TheTruth8018 1 year ago
So let me answer this question to all my shia brothers and sisters in islam, do you believe in abu bakr and umar? and uthman
TheTruth8018 1 year ago
@TheTruth8018
Yes, we believe they existed.
Zobree 1 year ago
@AliAsgarshah, Both of these questions have - THOROUGLY and with SUNNI SOURCES - been answered in Answering-Ansar(dot)org website under Answers Tab. The dash is the upper dash and not the lower dash. U obviously cant imagine anyone to present all the sources and replies in a post of 500 characters right? In short Taqiyyah is sanctioned in Quraan (AnNahal:106 ) and the marriage of Ume Khulthoom (pbuh) is a fabrication. U will get your answers, if you are really looking for the truth.
Wasalam.
Fawad056 1 year ago
It is mentioned in Al- Kafi that Hazrat Ali gave his daughter to Hazrat Umar for marriage. Now if your book has a lie in it then you base yoru own arguements from Kulayni the author of Kafi then your own extreme misguided astray stance is baseless and a road to perdition.
Now the question arises is that did Ali a.s gave his daughter to a munafiq (God forbid).
MrAliasgarshah 1 year ago
Now then have you actually followed the example of Maula Ali a.s. If as per you Imam Ali did not fight against the first three pious Caliphs for maintaining the goodwill of the muslim Ummah then why are you spoiling this sacrifice as per your beliefs by not having any taqqiyaa!.
Is not taqqiyya as pe what shakh saduq mentioned in hsi book Al shia 9 tenths of yoru religion.
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MrAliasgarshah 1 year ago
I dont get why people are trying to take away one of Allah's rights which is the right of legislation.
Allah chooses who protects his message on earth.
The creations dont choose. The Creator does. Not hard to understand.
doritoesPLAY 1 year ago
Wow what a good speaker.He made his point about as clear as mud. Becasue the proof provided was made on assumptions and not clear facts.
abeforu 1 year ago
i love this lecture it was very informative
MustafaAlqaragholy 1 year ago
salamu alaykum. Great speech
ooozy231 1 year ago
Subhan Allah. wonderful speech.
TheSn0white 1 year ago
Can i find the same topic in arabic ?
m001316 1 year ago
TO SUM UP ALL ARGUMENTS: The truth is clear and always will be. It has been and will always be the most logical of the other so called "truths".
x69Crunchyx 1 year ago
the above speech is really great. Truth has become so clear only monkeys will reject it. Ultimately, those who feel offended by my comment should listen to the speech again and move beyond their cognitive dissonance and make the right choice not to be monkeys anymore. choose to be real principled humans.
Allahuma salli ala Muhammad wa ali Muhammad
yusufbest 1 year ago
For christian to come to Islam they say We gain Muhammad pbuh but we dont loose Isa pbuh.
For Alhi Sunnah we say we gain Sahabah but we dont loose Alhe Bait.
ENGINEERHERBS 1 year ago
@ENGINEERHERBS
The Shia do respect those Sahaba whose actions are good. But they dont accept those who acted against the Ahl-e-bayt. How can you consider yourself followers of Ali (as) and those of the sahaba who waged war on him? You cant. If you imagine you do, then you are not being reasonable
karimqaiser 1 year ago
@karimqaiser
You claim that you follow Ali radia Alla Anhu! Well, why Ali gave his hand to Omar and gave him his daughter as a wife as well? Was Ali CROWED??!!
aldosany 1 year ago
@aldosany no he did not where did you find this information?
MotorCityAutoCare 1 year ago
@MotorCityAutoCare your sect dose not believe Prophet [s] Appoint Imam Ali [as] as Successor but the shia sect dose, we should respect each sects opinions was salamu alaykum
SunniUnityShia 1 year ago
@aldosany
Ali (as) followed the first three because he did not want to destroy the unity of the community. He was not the one who threw the community into fitna. However he did not consider them the best or most rightful. And Umar's marriage to Ali (as) daughter was not a happy one. It was something which Umar demanded.
karimqaiser 1 year ago
@aldosany you stupid suc ker. You have not any knowledge you just speaks loudly. Ali (a.s) was the hero of khandaq khyber. And you says he was coward. But unfortunately coward was your three idiots and you three fathers. Who left Rasool (s.a.w) alone. And run away Sala baat kerta hai. 3 idots pe lanat beshumar
haiderabass786110528 1 year ago
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celineatoo 1 year ago
@ENGINEERHERBS Beautifully said!
TheOmar700 1 year ago
MashAllah...couldn't have been said better. Ma2jour inshAllah
JujuDak22 1 year ago
i thank Alalh everyday for guiding me to the true islam and pray for all muslims to be guided to this straight path too: the path of muhammed and his holy purified family.
ya Ali!
AllThingSPerish 1 year ago
@AllThingSPerish .. True Islam is clear from falsehood.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 What is it?
Your true path?
celineatoo 1 year ago
@celineatoo .. what do you mean ?
ne6 1 year ago
@AllThingSPerish thats why we recite surah fatiha at least 10 times a day :)
x69Crunchyx 1 year ago
you sunnis should stopp commenting on this vid u dnt know anything at all thts y i left sunni islam which i was with for 20 years too shia islam which is the true path
falloutintohell 1 year ago
3rdly ...Imam Ali would just stand there & do nothing while his wife Sayeda Fatima r.A was supposedly killed by S. Umar r.A and\or S. Abu Bakr r.A. Another incorrect story that contradicts Imam Ali's character.
4thly Again S. Abu Bakr r.A did not give Sayeda Fatima r.A the piece of land that she had supposedly received from the Prophet (asws) as inheritance. And again Imam Ali r.A stayed quiet & didn't defend his wife's request.
Let's connect the dots brothers and sisters...
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 he wasnt even in the house when umar(kaffiriun) came, and if prophets cant inherent then howcome nabi zakaria left inherentince for his son nabi yahya, nd imam Ali was quite he didnt want to cuz fitna, nd u say tht but who used 2 question the prophet all the time Umar, Abu bakr who ran away from wars umar, abu bakr
falloutintohell 1 year ago
@falloutintohell first of all... please speak with respect & in a civilized way. There is no need to call any companion a kaffir & 2ndly ... no one ran away from any wars. Can you tell me what nabi Zakaria a.s left as inheritance for his nabi Yahya a.s ? And are you saying that questioning the prophet was not a smart or wise or noble thing to do ? They didn't question the message, they questioned the reasons behind the revelations, etc.
ne6 1 year ago
2ndly ...assuming S. Ali r.A was to be the first Khalifa AND assuming S. Abu Bakr r.A took S. Ali's position's as first Khalifa...it would only make sense that Imam Ali r.A would automatically be nominated or elected as the SECOND Khalifa. But he didn't even go for 3rd !! We all know Imam Ali's character as very brave and strong, so we cannot believe that he would remain quiet for not one, not two, but for 3 "unjust" Khalifa's. This is absurd as it is unbelievable.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 the reason y he didnt go4 3rd becuz umar made a commity of 6 2 ecelct th next kalifah this 6 5 of the members were trying 2 make sure Ali didnt become Kalifah soo they said Ali the only way u can become kalifah is if u followed the same traditions as abu bakr nd umar so he said no becuz they were kaffiriun
falloutintohell 1 year ago
@falloutintohell but Sayedna Ali r.A still became the Khalifah. This ignorance is so frustrating... Please use your brains... If they didn't want him to be Khalifah, why did he become the 4th Khalifah ?!! Alhamdulillah I left Shia Islam...& I will tell you why. Which one would u choose; a group that brings the companions and the family of the prophet (s) together or a group that seperates them ?!!
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 sunna believe a kalif is a man vote from society (which u follow)
Shi'a believe that Allah s.w.t appoints a successor through angel Jibrael a.s and reveals it to the Prophet p.b.u.h(which we follow)
{refer to Ahlul Kisa}
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 SubhanAllah... That just shows how much Shia contradict themselves... Mohamed a.s.w.s was the last prophet... why ? Issa a.s was a prophet ... why ? Nabi Musa a.s was a prophet ... why ? Because ALL of them were appointed by Allah (swt) ... if Ali r.A was appointed by Allah (swt) to be the first Khalifah... then why wasn't he ?? It's a loose-loose argument for the Shia from whatever angle you look at it. May Allah guide us to the His path. Ameen.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 salam
thats exactly right and every Prophet had a successor appointed by the will of Allah s.wt. up until the next Prophet the same way u cant choose a Prophet is the same way you cant appoint a successor there are no ''loose arguements'' here ya akhi and another thing Imam Ali a.s was and i repeat was appointed successor by the command of Allah s.w.t ALLHUMDILLALLAH
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 wsalam akhi...I meant "lose" NOT "loose" my mistake...it was grammatical typo...but regarding your response...
1st of all...if you are referring to the successors of the prophets mentioned in the Quran... yes they were chosen by Allah...but they were prophets as well. So even the successors of the prophets are prophets. Can you tell me where in the Quran the successor-ship of Ali r.A is mentioned ? Anyway, it's ok...I am not trying to debate... it's just a discussion :-)
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 salam
there are many bits and pieces in The Holy Book of Allah that Ahlul-Beit a.s are the true Believers and are indeed The Righteous Ones youve just gotta read and believe me you will discover the truth i.e Noble Quran 34:47..33:33..42:23..2:247..53:3-4..3:61 and many more..which book of hadith are you currently reading or have read?
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 subhanAllah...it's funny to me how this brother (Hassanain) is talking about Ali r.A as if he is defending him; as if Ali r.A has been insulted or degraded somehow ?!! Ahlus Sunnah has utmost love and respect for Ali r.A
Anyway, there is not doubt that the Ahlul Bayt are not true believers or are not the righteous ones. This is an in-depth discussion which unfortunately cannot take place online because of restrictions, but those verses need a thorough examination.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 glad 2 know hes making u laugh brother
but as a matter of fact ahlul sunna have degraded the position of Imam Ali a.s and they have placed an infallible successor 4th with 11 other corrupted successors according 2 your beliefs.do u know the Prophets p.b.u.h final requests? {the Prophet p.b.u.h did not say anything without the authority of Allah s.w.t.} He left behind The Book Of Allah s.w.t and His Progeny a.s to degrade the position of Imam Ali a.s is as if u dont follow sunnat Al-Rasool!
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 Sayedna Ali's position never has & never will be degraded by ahlul sunnah & wAllahi if it is...I shall leave it right away.
The prophet's message started out with one man & is now the 2nd largest religion in the world, by the will of Allah. If it was the will of Allah for Ali r.A to be the 1st imam\Khalifah, wAllahi it would have happened.
Not accepting & believing & following the most beloved companions of the prophet is wAllahi a major lack of confidence in Rasool Allah a.s.w.s
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 it has happened according 2 us and yes according 2 the sh'ia he a.s was and still is the first Imam/Kalifa. and as a matter of fact ya akhi the Prophet was so confident in his speech that when he said ''I am the city of knowledge and Ali is the gate he who believes i am his Prophet must also acknowledge that Ali is his Imam except there will b no Prophet after me'' who is better to follow than someone being from the same family as the Rassol? {noble Quran}
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 There is no doubt that the prophet a.s.w.s said "I am the knowledge and Ali is its gate" but that doesn't mean he is the 1st imam ?!!
The Prophet didn't say that Ali r.A will be the first imam & if people knew that the Prophet had even hinted it, they would have never accepted Abu Bakr's r.A or Umar's r.A or Uthman's r.A khilafa.
People knew akhi who was the chosen one to be the successor because the prophet a.s.w.s had indirectly announced it.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 istag'farAllah ya akhi your confused! why are u complicating the message brought upon the muslim Ummah ? its so easy to understand.. the PROPHET warned His near ones first @36:00 so therefore who was his 1st kin? Imam Ali a.s is.. true? it is your choice in the end of the day!i suggest you don't ''doubt'' the Prophets p.b.u.h words Shia believe Ahlul-Bayt were the chosen ones,not the companions,,,, SIMPLE
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 yea but akhi...my point is...sunni belief brings together ahlul-bayt & the sahaba (companions) where-as shia belief seperates ahlul-bayt & the sahaba. WAllahi you're right... the message is simple...I would NEVER EVER doubt the Prophet's words. From my understanding, the shia misunderstand his words.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 history speaks a thousand words brother it is not us who separated the muslim Ummah alleigence had be paid to a successor back then and refusing to pay meant war so when Imam Ali a.s refused to pay abu bakr meant war !!! why should Imam Ali a.s pay someone alleigance when you even admit that the Prophet said '' Ali mun baedee'' meaning Ali is after me ???except there will be no Prophet after him p.b.u.h if it was me back then i would off fought with Imam Ali a.s im sure u wouldnt though :)
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 ok... very good...I request that when you have a discussion or a debate brother...please have an open mind so either you convince me or I convince you inshAllah :-)
When Ali r.A was supposed to be the first successor after the Prophet & it was unfairly taken from him by Abu Bakr r.A... you said this means war right ?!!? Now was there a war ??
Was there even a war for 2nd or 3rd successor after the death of the Prophet ??
ne6 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 This is common sense bro and I keep saying it. 1st of all...I never admitted that the Prophet said "Ali is after me" definitely I'm hearing this for the first time.
And yes if u are referring to the war that took place between Ali r.A & Mu'awiya then definitely I would have taken Ali's r.A side because he was right. Let me ask you one simple question bro...
Allah is talking about the companion of the prophet a.s.w.s who was with him in the cave; chapter 9 verse 40... who is he ??
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 am i reading this correctly? well apparantly i have done my research on who the sunnah believe their qualified successors are and amongst them was and still is Mu'awiya (l.a) and now your telling me that you will fight your very own successor muawiya hmmm?? you just prooved a very interesting point to me.your successors werent very successful were they?
abu bakr was with him p.b.u.h yeah and?
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 Brother you're taking things out of context... we know that Sayedna Ali was on the right side when the there was confrontation between him & Mu'awiya. But we also know that this doesn't make Mu'awiya a hypocrite or a disbeliever ? Mu'awiya had made a wrong judgment but after the war, he reconciled with Sayedna Ali. Yes after Ali r.A died, Mu’awiya became the successor and it was still one ummah. Even imam Hasan r.A, was he wrong for taking Mu’awiya as his successor ?
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 confrontation?think about it! if muawiya made wrong judgement can u imagine what other ''wrong judgements'' he made to?Imam Al-Hassan a.s was second kalifa he never agreed that muawiya take His a.s place? where do u get your fabricated info from ??how can anyone allow a coward that caused riots with the Prophets family to become his/her successor? can u tell me which Prophet had a sucessor that was not ''blood related?''none not one!!
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 Sayedna Hasan r.A gave his pledge of allegiance to Mu'awiya. This is agreed upon by both groups.
All the prophets who had successors were NOT blood related & for those who were blood related... the successors were PROPHETS... as in the case of Musa & Haroon... they were both prophets AND brothers.
If you're referring to the famous hadith of the Prophet a.s.w.s to ALi r.A "you're to me "like" Haroon was to Musa" he just wanted to emphasize the close brotherly relationship with ALi
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 Allah Ho' Akbar !! what an honour if the Prophet p.b.u.h put Imam Ali a.s in that beautiful postion you can only imagine how the Prophet must feel if some one were to kill Imam Ali a.s not only would the Prophet b angry but whatever angers the Prophet angers Allah s.w.t
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 ..of course the prophet asws will be angry at whomever killed Ali rA or Uthman rA or Umar rA, etc etc. You guys need to do a lotttt of research...and use the brain that Allah has given you & put two & two together before it's too late. I can prove people like ammar nakhshwani wrong from his own talks & you guys take him as one of the biggest scholars of shia islam.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 who said anything about Allah s.w.t being happy with the killers of Ahlul-Beit a.s i didnt ! did you? our researsh is complete thank you very much and as for you ya Akhi i think you need to stop praising the killers and begin to recognise the difference between fact and fairytale''
lakom deenakom wa leeyee deenee
wa salam
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 .. Ya ukhti I tried so I won't be held responsible. Clearly fact stands out from fiction or fairy-tale. Allah huma salle-ala Muhamad wa-la aalehi wa sahbihi wa salam.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6,
its ok. if you love those who run away from battles and who do ijtihad to kill muslims, who disobey Rasulullah s.a.a.w, its your choice. We are tired of explaining to you. and we dont have to.
your arguments are not your own. its parroted arguments and we can only expect that much from you.
anw, we will pray for you together that if you have kids, they will grow up to be like Umar and Abu Bakar or Muawiya insyaallah. ok. happy? :)
yusufbest 1 year ago
@yusufbest ..I don't control the hearts but I was expecting u to understand the true message of Islam. I wasn't trying to argue ..I was just trying to have an intellectual discussion with intellectuals. I make dua for all Muslims to have children who will grow up to be like Abu Bakr (rA) or like Umar rA or like Ali rA , etc .. etc.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6,
if having blind faith in fitna spread by wahhabis is considered intellectual, then you are the most intellectual person around.
we dont want our kids to be like Umar and Abu Bakar please
Imam Ali a.s. yes.
all muslims want our kids to be soldiers of Imam Mahdi's army and he need those who are firm against disbelievers and show mercy towards believers not the ones who are vice versa..
yusufbest 1 year ago
@ne6 excuse me mybrother i couldnt help but realize ur comments can u pls explain to me what ur sect believes of the shia,what do u find wrong about following the prophet and ahlul bayt(sa)? pls explain ur sect's point of veiw.
moe8448 1 year ago
@moe8448 ..don't worry about what others believe of the shia because it's not very pleasing. But myself ..I now consider the shia as muslims.
..I myself feel that I never understood true Islam as a shia & now as a sunni alhamdulillah, I have a better understanding of it. I feel closer to Allah. May Allah guide us all to His chosen path inshAllah. Ameen.
ne6 1 year ago
@moe8448 .. the issue of khilafa, the issue of fadak, the issue of temporary marriage, the issue of imamate & their infallability, the shia aqeeda & many other issues make no sense to me, even if there weren't ahadith to prove them wrong\right.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 my friend you say temporary marriage(mut'ah) maybe you should see what a sunni believes is halal it's called" MISYAR "(sunni temporary marriage) look it up and then talk about which is legal of the two. the sunnis are hypocrytical when it comes to temporary marriage now you can see for your self brother.they were infallible ya habibi did you ever see any of them make a mistake. And my friend the immamate is clear, come on brother you know ameer ul mumineen he is amazing dnt ever forget that
moe8448 1 year ago
@moe8448 ..habibi misyar is NOTHING like mut'ah...misyar is not temporary at all. Misyar is a regular marriage...except...the couple mutually agree to waive off certain rights like the wife will say that she doesn't need her husband to support her & she can support herself (financially). So it's a normal marriage except the husband has waived off the right to financially support her. This actually makes things easier for those brothers that are not financially able support their wives.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 I like that shit, its like holding mistresses even when u can't afford one lol....legal prostitution for the poor
marcstylzzz 1 year ago
@marcstylzzz .. Not prostitution if you're referring to misyar buddy. Prostitution is temporary when misyar is not & I think we all know which is temporary between misyar & muta.
ne6 1 year ago
@moe8448 ..no son of adam is infallible because if they were...that would make them divine & divinity is for Allah (swt) only. ALi (rA) was amazing but he was not the first khalifah & that's just reality. Imamate is a vague & irrelevant concept with very little logical to it.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 53:1-4 Qur'an tells us something else. so who should i believe, you or Qur'an? and if guidance is illogical to you but ruler ship is...then there is no baseline here, hence no argument.
marcstylzzz 1 year ago
@marcstylzzz .. What do you mean by referencing these verses ? Of course you should believe the Quran but I'm not sure what your point is ?
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 that`s ur personal choice and no1 here forces u to be shia. islam is plain and so clear, the prophet said i leave u with 2 weighty things the book of Alalh and my ahlulbayt. u choosed to follow ur desire (sahaba) and we follow the command of the prophet which comes directly from Alalh. Allah guides whoever he wants. :P
AllThingSPerish 1 year ago
@AllThingSPerish ..A more stronger note, the prophet a.s.w.s said I leave you with two things so that you don't go astray .. Allah's book & my sunnah. Yes I follow (or at least "try to" follow) the book of Allah & the prophet's sunnah. But I follow his family too...because guess who they (his family) followed ?!! The beloved companions of the prophet a.s.w.s.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 well said!!!
abeforu 1 year ago
@ne6 where to find Prophets sunat.According to sunni books Prophet said not to write his hadis.Omer and abubakar burned all hadis.it was compiled 30yrs after prophets death
raza2nice 1 year ago
@raza2nice ...brother I have one question that I want you to ask yourself and all other shia muslims to ask themselves. Which sect\group dissociated\detached themselves from mainstream Islam ? Take a look at what the Quran says about this. Let me know if you want chapter and verse numbers. Even if the ahadith books were compiled 30 yrs after the prophet's death...shia ahadith were still being "revealed" from Imam Hasan al Askari which was almost 10 centuries ago. Does that make sense ?
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 Brother lets take your question one by one
Shia did not detach from the "main stream" muslims. Infact there were shias of Ali (A.S.) even in the time of first three Caliph. Those three ones took the majority of Muslims to wards misguidance and then Mwuwiya struck the fatal blow to the muslim unity.
You take hadith even from the killer of Imam Hussein (A.S.) as they are present in "Sahih" Bukhari.
We take the hadith from the very family of Prophet (P.B.U.H & H.P.) as they are divinely
01maak 1 year ago
@ne6 chosen and knowledge has been passed in form of family traditions as Imam Hassan Askari (A.S.) would say that he listened from his father (A.S.) and he listened from his father (A.S.) until the chain goes back to the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.W).
01maak 1 year ago
@ne6 Be fair, which chain is most authentic, the ones that also include the ones from the worst animal (Shimar maloon, killer of Imam Hussein (A.S.) , and many like this in you "Sahihs") or the ones from the family of Prophet (P.B.U.them) itself.
Family that is purified and given knowledge by Allah (SWT) .
01maak 1 year ago
@01maak ...brother there's no such thing as divinity to humans. A divine human would be very similar to God. That is exactly what the christians do; they make out Jesus (a.s) to be the son of God. Allah has made it clear who He reveals to and the prophet's (s) grand-children and great-grand-children are NOT among those who receive revelation. Clearly, the majority wouldn't deviate akhi, it's common sense. I would never take hadith or narrations from shimr. I would rather be with the group...
ne6 1 year ago
@01maak ... that unites the ahlul bayt & the sahabah instead of the group who seperates them. That's all. We are all still under the umbrella of la illaha ill Allah. Sayedna Ali's (radiaAllahu'anhu) status is surely of the top companions and the closest and most beloved to the prophet (s) BUT that doesn't mean he was appointed successor by rasoolAllah (s) or Allah Himself ... and if he was appointed... then he should have fought for this position for this is a position that will save Islam.
ne6 1 year ago
@01maak ...but he (Sayedna Ali r.A) was not only content with the first three khalifa's but he was their main advisor. This is historical and factual information. May Allah guide us all to His one, true path so we can meet these phenomenal individuals in paradise inshaAllah. Wa akhero da'wana walhamdulillahe rabel'alemeen
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 to be like abubaker,umer & uthman, that must be a joke. this were nothing but cowards. run away almost from every battles, raised their voice infront of the prophet, denied the inheritance of ahlelbayt but left the homes of the wives and liars. many other things tht goes against islam. we dont consider them to be muslims let alone to teach our childrent their ways:P
AllThingSPerish 1 year ago
@AllThingSPerish .. There's no need to insult the beloved companions of the prophet a.s.w.s. You're only making yourself look bad. They never did those things the way you're describing it. I'm not defending them because they don't need any defense. Look at the evidences that exist today ..pointing to the authenticity of the majority group of Islam. Allahuma sale-ala Mohammad wa-la alehi wa sahbihi wa sallam.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6,
salaams, sorry to interrupt you.
you have misunderstood the Quran. the word 'companion' in the Quran is a neutral word. Nabi Yusuf a.s's companions in prison were kafir. in Quran there is companion of hell and companion of heaven. this is in fact the peculiarity of the arabic language. dont trust me, do your own research.
yusufbest 1 year ago
@yusufbest wsalam...no u are not interrupting at all brother but let me clarify for you guys by stating the translation 9:40...
...when they were in the cave and he said to his companion, "Do not grieve; indeed Allah is with us." And Allah sent down his tranquility upon him and supported him with angels you did not see and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowest, while the word of Allah – that is the highest...
You tell me what kind of companion this verse is referring to ?
ne6 1 year ago
@yusufbest yes nabi Yusuf's a.s companions were kaf ir but this is clearly stated in the Quran.
Then why isn't it stated in Quran clearly that his companion was a kaf ir (na'ozdobillah) or a hypocrite ?
Would Allah be with a "companion of hell" where the Prophet says to Sayedna Abu Bakr in the cave; DO NOT GRIEVE FOR ALLAH IS WITH US ?
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6, you are looking at that with biased eyes. Allah is with everyone. the thing is why was Abu Bakar scared if he was beside Rasulullah s.a.a.w. wheres his iman?
second thing is, how do you know it is Abu Bakar? if it is based from your hadiths, I can bring more authentic sunni hadiths of other verses to prove to you that Imam Ali a.s. is the rightful successor of Rasulullah s.a.a.w.
dont think of power. remember that Jesus a.s. was a prophet even if he did not rule the jews
yusufbest 1 year ago
@yusufbest Allah is NOT with everyone. Please think about what you say before you say it. You’re diverting the issue about Abu Bakr r.A… whether he was scared or where his iman was is a different issue…even the shia say that in the verse in question, Allah is referring to Sayedna Abu Bakr. Bring me ahadith or verses that you think “proves” that Sayedna Ali was the right successor ? Jesus a.s was accepted as a prophet and as Allah’s messiah by the Christians.
ne6 1 year ago
the Holy Prophet (s) said:
"Ali is from me and I am from Ali and after me he is the guardian (Wali) of every true believer."
sunni source:
Sunan Tirmidhi, volume 2, page 298, published in Egypt.
Mishkaat al Masabeeh, page 564, published in Delhi.
Mustadrak al-Hakim, volume 3, page 111, published by Daira al-Ma'arif, Hyderabad Deccan.
Marqaat Sharh Mashkaat, volume 11, page 340, published in Multan.
Sawaiq al-Muhriqa, page 122, published in Egypt.
yusufbest 1 year ago
"Hadhrath Imran bin Husain narrates the Prophet (s) said 'verily 'Ali is from me and I am from him. He is the Wali of every believer after me.
[Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Vol 5, Page 236, al Sahih by Ibn Habban Volume 1 page 383, Mustadrak al Hakim , Vol. 3, p. 119, Sunan al Nasai Volume 5 page 132, by Ibn Abi Sheeba Volume 6 page 383 Musnad Abu Yala Volume 1 page 293]"
yusufbest 1 year ago
there are many more such hadiths and tafseer of ayat Quran that tells us that Allah has appointed Imam Ali a.s as the successor of Rasulullah s.a.a.w. since they are in sunni books, it is not shia propaganda.
Its either you dont trust your sahih hadiths at all or admit that shias have a point.
yusufbest 1 year ago
the hadiths and supporting verses from Quran as well as Islamic history support the shia view.
you have misinterpreted the word 'companion' in the Quran.
Musa a.s's companions worshipped the golden calf when he left for mount sinai.
when they thought that Rasulullah s.a.a.w died at Uhud, the companions ran away from the battlefield. who are these companions?
they are the same ones who did not attend Rasulullah s.a.a.w's funeral.
suspicious, dont u think?
yusufbest 1 year ago
who stayed at Uhud? the same ones who stayed for Rasulullah s.a.a.w's funeral.
anyway, Jesus a.s did not rule over the jews like moses a.s. and Rasulullah s.a.a.w.
but the early christians except him as their leader and messiah, you are right. same way, even if sunnis deny Imam ali a.s.'s right, he was still the imam.
yusufbest 1 year ago
Allah is closer to us than our jugular vein.
Abu bakar being with Rasulullah s.a.a.w in the cave is not an honour for him.
the word companion is neutral. he was afraid despite being beside Rasulullah s.a.a.w. where was he at all the battles of Islam?
you love someone who you do not know. this person was recorded by history to have abused the daughter of Rasulullah s.a.a.w.
being in a cave does not absolve him of this crime.
you should study history critically and objectively.
yusufbest 1 year ago
do u think that shias got nothing better to do?
if you bother to investigate our claims seriously, you wouldnt have been so confuse. its very clear if you start researching.
wheres the grave of Fatima az-zahra s.a?
why did 'muslims' kill the grandson of Rasulullah s.a.a.w?
this is the cause of the division in Islam. go and find out. the ones who scare you into not researching are themselves afraid of truth.
I know becos I was sunni 3 years ago.
yusufbest 1 year ago
@yusufbest ..of course the shia have nothing better to do than to defend people in Islamic history that DON'T need any defense !! This is absurd.
The more I discuss these issues with you guys... the more I'm thankful to Allah for guiding me from shia to sunna.
Who cares where her grave is...she is the master of the women of paradise for crying out loud.
Why did 'muslims' kill Sayedna Hussein rA...I can prove it to you from your own sources that it was the shia.
ne6 1 year ago
@yusufbest BA''RACK ALLAH FEIK YA AKHI I COULD NOT OF SAID IT BETTER MYSELF
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@yusufbest ..he wasn't afraid but he was worried & guess who he was worried about ?!! Ali rA because Ali had taken the prophet's asws place while his enemies were looking for him to kill him.
He was present in many battles & has fought with bravery.
..I love him & I wish I could have known him when he was alive. He was recorded in history to have WHAT ?!! If he abused Fatima rA then I say Ali is a coward for not defending his wife, the prophet's daughter ?!! Why are you people so close minded.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 lol
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@yusufbest ..I can see why I was advised not to discuss these issues because you guys are stubborn & wAllahi it's true. You guys just follow something blindly without using common sense & reason.
Jesus had followers (christians)..Moses had followers (jews)..Mohamad asws had followers & still does until today .. THEY WERE PROPHETS !!
Did Sayedna Ali rA have followers during 1st or 2nd or even the 3rd khilafa ?!?!! NO because he himself was a follower of the 1st, 2nd & 3rd khalifa.
ne6 1 year ago
@yusufbest ..Islamic history is pretty clear as well. Forget the verse I brought up about Abu Bakr's rA companionship...I didn't expect you guys to believe it anyway.
They didn't RUN AWAY from the battlefield. That's the shia version of the story.
2ndly .. they attended the funeral... they just didn't stay long because the khilafa was a major issue after the prophet's asws death & it needed to be taken care otherwise the ummah would have fallen apart quickly.
ne6 1 year ago
@yusufbest we trust our sahih books my friend...shia's do not have a point at all. Just because the prophet asws said "you're from me & I'm from you & you're the wali of every true believer" does NOT mean Ali rA is the first khalifa ?
We know what the word wali means & it does NOT mean guardian or successor .. you need to go back to the arabic language & look it up... then come back & tell me what it means because the word's meaning is pretty clear
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 wouldnt you prefer to follow kalam Allah the Prophet and his family Ahlul-Beit(as)down to the last Imam the Imam Al-Mehdi (ajs) which you and i both know only the true believers will follow by the will of Allah s.w.t ? according to your kalifs your last kalif was related to abu bakr and our last kalif being Imam Al-Mehdi is related to The Greatest Man that ever lived p.b.u.h {the Prophet} ;)
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 ya akhi first of all...Abu Bakr r.A was from the Quraish and so was Umar r.A. Secondly the prophet's a.s.w.s family was Aisha, Abu Bakr, Umar, Hafsa, Jafar ibn abi Talib, Abdullah ibn Abbas, Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Hussein, Zeinab & so on. Alhamdulillah we (the ahlul sunnah) follow them.
In response to your comment about the family of the prophet a.s.w.s, we know that Islam doesn't promote religous leadership based on progeny, family lineage or blood relations.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6The previous copmment i made is me qouting what you said.....
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1 May Allah forgive me and may He reward you... Thanks brother for correcting me... That's not what I meant ...I meant to say there's no doubt that they were true believers & righteous individuals. Instead I added NOT where I was not supposed to.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 Subhannaullah...may Allah answer your dua
Ameen
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@ne6 I kno you didnt just say Ahlul bait are not tru believers.....I seek refuge with Allah from that which you utter!
Ameen
Mumineen1 1 year ago
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@Mumineen1 staghfurAllah... when did I say they are not true believers ??
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 subhanAllah...it's funny to me how this brother (Hassanain) is talking about Ali r.A as if he is defending him; as if Ali r.A has been insulted or degraded somehow ?!! Ahlus Sunnah has utmost love and respect for Ali r.A
Anyway, there is not doubt that the Ahlul Bayt are not true believers or are not the righteous ones. This is an in-depth discussion which unfortunately cannot take place online because of restrictions, but those verses need a thorough examination.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 The most reliable hadith books out there are Bukhari & Muslim, at least from my understanding.
Those verses you mentioned can be interpreted in differently in different contexts. But even though I see that you're in Australia, I would be glad to discuss these issues with you in further detail on the phone, on skype or whatever else makes it easier than this.
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 salam
so youve read the chapter in the Bukhari ''the battle of Khaiber'' Arabic English v:5 tradition #5 pp 381-383 ...
it is also narrated in many sunnah hadeths that the only one who has given Zakat while in Raku(bowing down) was Imam Ali a.s ..Asbab al-Nuzool, by Jalaluddin al-Suyti Egypt 1382 v1 p.73 sunnah reference.. along with 6 other sunnah books
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 wsalam
There's no doubt about that, I agree that he has given Zakat while in Ruku. What relevance does that have to the topic we are discussing ?
ne6 1 year ago
@ne6 ahh ok now were on the same page doesnt Allah s.w.t. tell us to walee the individual that gave zakat whilst bowing? and not to walee the one that didnt?hhmm it makes you wonder doesnt it? did any of the companions give zakat while in raku ? no! not one
sh3rri1 1 year ago
@sh3rri1 I do not know about this...I have to research about this verse iA.
ne6 1 year ago
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To shia brothers & sisters... the event of Ghadir Khum is undeniable BUT there was absolutely no indication by the Prophet (asws) that S. Ali r.A was to be the first Khalifa. There are many factors that play a role here. First of all... the word "maula" has been used in the Quran several times & in the respective verses they are not translated as meaning "leader" or "master" & you can verify this information.
ne6 1 year ago
To shia brothers & sisters... the event of Ghadir Khum is undeniable BUT there was absolutely no indication by the Prophet (asws) that S. Ali r.A was to be the first Khalifa. There are many factors that play a role here. First of all... the word "maula" has been used in the Quran several times & in the respective verses they are not translated as meaning "leader" or "master" & you can verify this information.
ne6 1 year ago
beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! should the devil become muslim would you make him a leader?!?!?! hahahahahaha
KayPerzJanat 1 year ago
true sunni and shiate doctrine is parallel. I am sunni and I am glad to have heard this lecture. May ALLAH make us those who love and strive with Ahlul-baith.
abuladula 1 year ago
يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُ
وَاللّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ النَّاسِ
إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْكَافِرِينَ
alin2300 1 year ago
Deliver what has been sent down to you from your Lord, and if you dont do it, you havent delivered (at all).
So the prophet(pbuh) took his hand, in Ghadeer, 120 thousand of people watching, and said, For Whoever I was a master, This Ali, is his master,
"Today I have perfected your religion...."
The religion of islam was sealed, completed and perfected with the appointment of the wilayat of ameer al momineen.
barriofino87 1 year ago
Marsh'Allah!
Only a fool could deny the value of Ahlul Bayt(AS).
TAHMURI 1 year ago
i dont know some ppl still see the truth but deny it, WHo run away from wars?
WHo squshed fatum as behind the door?
who Killed saydah shabab ayhul al gena?
WHo was the worrrior of islam?
who gave his life for islam (ashura)? Fanially who WROTE your 10 books u beleive in which got millions of hadiths! iN which u have faults more than right!!!!!
stepbck1 2 years ago 11
Mawla means: leader, friend, protector
now look at the context,, if u still cant handle the truth.. nobody can help u
slm
DehSeeker 2 years ago 2
Prophet saw said: do I not have more right over the believers than what theyh ave over themselves? "The people cried out: "Yes, O messenger of Allah."
Then He (saw) held up Ali's hand and said..
Prophet saw said: For whoever I am his Mawla, Ali is his Mawla.
O Allah love those who love Ali and be the enemy of the enemy of Ali, help him who helps Ali, and forsake him who forsakes Ali.
DehSeeker 2 years ago 8
NO people! Ali was too young to lead and handle the Arabs. so if you are computer Enigneer or work any such jobs, don't go to work 2morow, send you Grandpa he is older. he knows more, and that is the logic of the Sunnis
jambe1234567 2 years ago
lool ok
maysam1382 2 years ago
salman farsi (ra) campanion of prophet was elder than all.according to your theory of young & old he deserve caliphat more than abu bakr.age no matter in islam prophet eesa(as) was 3 days old when allah appoint him as his messenger,according to quran..understand islam without prejudice againt ahlul bayt(as).
javedabidi 2 years ago
You grudge holders, worshipers of human beings, lineage, blood line, family tree and what not. Why you talking about who deserves and who doesnt the caliphate? How would you know? And, does it really matter now? Do Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA), Hazrat Umar (RA), Hazrat Usman (RA) and, Hazrat Ali (RA) the four caliphate who succeeded Prophet MOHAMMED (SAW) discriminated or insulted each other or contradicted each other. NO never. They were like building blocks of a foundation we call Islam.
Tan579 2 years ago
"Why you talking about who deserves and who doesnt the caliphate? How would you know? And, does it really matter now?"
Typical; you do not want to know the truth. Maybe bacause it will look bad for a few "companions."
legendsdontdie 2 years ago
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Go through my post and answer every word of it, I know you couldnt. Those who hold the grudge in their chests against "Khulphai Rashideen" they deserve self mortification, those chests shall be beaten by their own hands untill they are alive, n after they are dead they shall burn in the hellfire for all the "Shirq" they commit for these people are Worshippers of the CREATION not the CREATOR.
Tan579 2 years ago
And mind you the order in which Caliphs appeared in Islamic history doesnt reflect their supremacy or status or anything else correct your faith shun your Zoroastrianism. Comparing and discriminating among the companions of Prophet(SAW) is such a sinful act only one whose mind is filled with filth upto the brim'll do. The order in which caliphs appeared doesnt matter sooner you understand it the better, 1400 years is too long to hold grudge against your own religion for such a petty thing.
Tan579 2 years ago
In Islam there is no room for Dynasty, Family, Caste, Creed, Colour, Blood Lineage, etc. Why do you think in mere 23 years Prophet (SAW) was able to bring a revolutionary change in Arab world in particular and rest of the world in general. Answer is HE(SAW) brought a Deen in shape of a social order that was based on logic and nature, and adressed every problem the society had that time. Our Prophet (SAW) stood against every term I mentioned above.
Tan579 2 years ago
Prophet (SAW) was accused of instigating fighting and violence amongst family members and clansmen by Quraish "tribe of Prophet(SAW)", how many of the companions do you know who fought in favour of Islam under the banner of Prophet (SAW) and against their own family members and were praised by our Muhsin(SAW), How many companions belonged to different clans, countries, cultures? In Islam there is no room for favouritism or nepotism. We must worship Allah the creator not the creation.
Tan579 2 years ago
We see Billal, Salman etc in the company of Prophet(SAW) while if it were upto you people you would have preferred it to be like a corporate run, goverened and owned by a family, where everyone else was to worship and please the family.
YOU wanted it to be a 'BEE COLONY' where one is queen while the rest toil. No, Islam stands for unity and equality where no one is superior to other. "Inna Aqramakum Indallahi Atqa'aqum", Go back to your scriptures not Zoroastrian ones but Islamic.
Tan579 2 years ago
I know this may sound controversial, but does it REALLY matter who was supposed to be appointed as successor? It's history, not Islam.
SumayahsIslam 2 years ago
Read the book 'Ghadeer' by Anita Rai
Azadari4Evaa 2 years ago
@ Somaliblog
The Prophet (s.a.w) did not announce Imam Ali's (a.s) succession just because he was related to the Prophet (saw) in more than one way. He appointed him because Allah(swt) chose him as his successor, as he was the most capable person after the Prophet (saw).
As for 'dynasty business', you should ask why Muawiya appointed Yazid and study more about the Ummayads and Abbasids, who introduced the dynastical, monarchist rule in Islam.
thefardeen 2 years ago 3
may god bless him. i went to see him yesturday and i stayed from 11 pm to 5 am just listening to him. i was not even tirede or bored from the words coming out of his mouth. may god bless
DanDoun87 2 years ago 3
mashallah
MuDfx 2 years ago
For those brothers that are confused about the appointment of Ali by our Prophet, please listen to this lecture again. If you really want to know the truth. Don't beg the question.
Ahlulbyat 2 years ago
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This lecture is crap, the person talks incohesive language and keeps on saying that he has established a fact after ever couple of sentences while as he doesnt even scratch the surface.
The speaker doesnt know how to make the talk look adhering to the cdentral idea, its all so amateur stuff
Tan579 2 years ago