Re; Wagner's antisemitism. I figure that if Leonard Bernstein and James Levine can make peace with Wagner, than so can a white anglo-saxon protestant like myself.
oh why do people have to make dumb Hitler comments! Wagner was a genius! Modern music would not be the same without him. He may have been anti-Semitic, but hey, so was Woody Allen, we still appreciate his art :)
It is amazing but not surprising to see how Wagner''s music, especially his leitmotif technique has influenced film music. The scores to Star Wars and Lord of the Ring are clearly influenced by Wagner and I have no doubt that Wagner if born into our days would be writing film music. In fact, he was writing film music before the medium even existed.
Las complejass composiciones de Wagner tienen un fondo intelectual filosófico, en particular con la filosofía de Schopenhawer, contemporáneos y amigos. Era la filosofía del pesimismo. que Wagner }intenta superar con su creación musical.
Las complejass composiciones de Wagner tienen un fondo intelectual filosófico, en particular con la filosofía de Schopenhawer, contemporáneos y amigos.
I wish the climactic ending never ended. I see the human race struggling and for a brief second I actually feel strength, pride, and HOPE. Not cheesy rhetoric hope used by politicians, but real unfiltered hope for humanity as a species struggling under the single banner of our mortality and bridge toward something GREATER!
Everybody seems to forget that anti-semitism was fashionable for too many people in Ricky Babe's circle - doesn't justify what the ol' boy did, but how many people withstood peer pressure when Puppet King George II started a war killing 1,000's of innocent kids on the basis of a heinous lie?
What I grow weary of is the tendency for any group to presume to have the right to explain to us which art and which artists we should admire or detest, whose history is more important, what the "actual" story is, which atrocities we should know about and which we should ignore, and in so doing , arrogantly assume ownership over art, history, science and morality. What's great about this kind of art is that it speaks for itself, it owns itself, or, in other words, it belongs to us all.
I love this as a purely instrumental piece as well but Solti and most other conductors even today like to conduct it a terribly slow dragging pace. It should be at least at a walking moderate pace. It's too dull when it's too slow. Check out George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra performing this, Szell got it the right way.
I must admit I love the clarity and joy of Verdi more than Wagner, however, Wagner's music has a genius of its own and an almost divine power. Wagner's music and his libretti have immense appeal and worth. They reach the very limits of great art and so we must rank Wagner as among the greatest composers of all time. I still prefer Verdi and Puccini on a regular basis. Perhaps there is something less serious and sweeter with Italian songs and language.
I did not know Wagner was anti-semetic for many years. I came to discover him because of the beauty of his music. Anti- anything detracts from the beauty and genius of the music.
The morons that talk about Wagner and "anti-semitism" are the same ones that think that Islam is suffering from our "misunderstanding" of its motives. In short, morons.
Hitlers main reason for invading other conuntries was to take over their cheese making companies. He was driven mad by his obsession with the British cheddar industry. This has all been revealed on Wikileaks.
@cogtroper well the point is that great artists must not be seen as evil when the person who makes them evil came 60 years after the great artists death
@MINIHermanator i think they should 'debate' about hitler on every cheese related video :D... Oh god! Jerry from tom and jerry are nazi! All the mouse in the world are nazi too!!! :D
HAHA! Yes! Wagners music will one day ring loud and proud in every Synagogue and every Juden will have to bow in respect or cower in fear at Wagners Genius!! They will finally be forced to see that painful truth they so stupidly deny! They will find that the truest art is borne from the utter denial and avoidance of the weakest, most vile, uncreative race!! That is Der Juden!!!!!!!
Wagner was an artist. Artists are fools. That's what makes them artists. I'm an artist, and, believe me, I'll fall for just about anything. But it takes a fool to try to approach God. To think it's possible to bring heaven to earth. Are we the richer for it, or just deceived ? Is the artist a devil or an angel ? Ha ha ha....
Martin Luther was extremely anti-Semitic too, and that doesn't stop the Presbyterian church from basing their religion on his words. Just enjoy the music!
Think of Wagner's antisemitism as a crude and early embodiment of the sort of distain of Bankers (moneymen) and the Islamophobia (religion of a segregated religious society) still prevalent and largely understood in today's western society.
I wish people would show a modicum of intelligence and stop going on about anti-semitism whenever they see a Wagner video. It's all been said before, ad nauseam.
I agree with "awachtel"... All these circumstances will fade in time... only these scores will give testimony of the best of mankind spirit of our time in a few thousands of years... Regarding hate, wars, destruction and cowardice, they are part of our core nature... Every epoch has enough of them to keep in due disregard those of yore. Only Art is forever!!!!
@awachtel I completely agree. Chopin was completely anti-semitic but I don't see Jewish pianists boycotting his music. People need to end this ridiculous and tiresome debate and just enjoy this magnificent and supremely influential music.
@auerod .... Chopin at times made disparaging remarking about the Jews in but I think this was probably more a form of snobbery - many Jews in Poland were poorly off. I don't think Chopin was completely anti-Semitic.
@EugenicsChannel The germans have never liked jews. And Wagner hated them for no reason, the same with Hitler, they both had a lot of jewish friends in the beggining but then it changed and they started to hate them.
sad truth is that with only a small research you would have to conclude everyone across europe hated jews, for some reason or another. Politics aside Wagner's music is awe inspiring.
They always had. Who was the ones to blame for something? The jews but now the Gods have interfered. And the roles are turned. Israel will prevail. Crush the vermin of the world. The Nazis.
Why they dont have any camps or Einsatz truppe. They only kill arabs because they are protecting hamas soldiers. And if they wanted to Israel would crush the whole middle east. The arabs cant put anything against it.
The Israelis have racial laws, such as forbidding marriage between Jews and Arabs, as well as not allowing the Arabs to be in certain areas of the country.
They may not have camps, but they are committing a holocaust against the Muslim world. First they got America to engage in this never ending war against Iraq, now it looks like Iran is going to be next, since the Jews are always slandering Iran in the media.
@OdinCalls14 - Many Israelis today are of various or mixed race,including those who are mixed Arab & Euro,considering Arab Jews were booted out of surrounding majority Muslim nations (Iraq, Syria, etc) after Israel formed. If there is a law in Israel,it's about Jewish and Muslim marriage,rather than a question of race. If you are a white caucasian non Muslim for example, try to marry a Pakistani Muslim girl in Britain and see how far you (or the woman) get,before her family hunts you both down.
@OdinCalls14 Off course the stupid vermin thinks that Hitler did right. If you ask me I would Destroy Gaza and deport all of the Arabs to somewhere else. And if they dont obey . Shoot first ask later
@Pleparn replace gaza with warsaw and arabs with jews. its terribly ironic how one nation can be oppressed and murdered by the thousands and then turn around and do the same thing to another. after a while you laugh. watch your thinking its dangerous.
It's funny, some "scholars" are now trying to twist history to make it seem like Wagner had Jewish friends and admired the Jews. Ah well, some of us know better.
When Wagner was alive and working, Germany was one of the most humanistic and tolerant countries in the world. It had not become a nation in the modern sense, but it was still significant in Europe.
I don't know if Wagner was himself an Anti-Semite. But I know it would not make sense for him to be such. The early to mid nineteenth-century was a time of limited cultural assimilation for Jews in Europe.
The late nineteenth-century, post 1870 at least, was another matter.
i honestly think Wagner might be the best composer ive ever heard. Granted I dont listen to alot of compositions, but this seems so different and I dont find it as hard to relate to for some odd reason.
When Hitler was a teenager he fell deeply in love with a Jewish girl. The very sensible girl rejected him, thereby condeming millions of innocent Jews to death, but you can't blame her!
As a nation Germany wanted to blame someone for their defeat in WW1. Hitler, vindictively, gave them the Jews.
@Warwickcain According to Bryan Magee in "The Tristan Chord," Wagner hated Jews for cultural reasons. Hitler hated them for racial and biological reasons, and Hitler's antisemitism was not derived from Wagner. The more one studies Wagner, the more one realizes that his art and his beliefs had nothing to do with Nazism. Wagnerites need to be plain about that, and not defensive. Wagner was not a proto-Nazi. Hitler loved his music, but Hitler also loved Goethe and Shakespeare.
@ConqueredSun Good point. Wagner was a very complex man. He may have hated Jews but his favorite conductor was Jewish. Also, did you know that Wagner had a composition banned by the Nazis? Parsifal was banned because it was pacifistic. Not all Nazis liked Wagner. Goebbels could not stand Wagners music.
@iamkwk All of your points are true and sound. Parsifal was banned, and Hitler had to "interpret" it's meaning to the point of caricature, where the Holy Grail does not symbolize renunciation and compassionate, universal love, but the purity of Aryan blood. Other Nazis were flabbergasted by what he "found" in the Ring, because they saw in the opera the denunciation of powermongering, war and oppression. I think that Hitler liked the Nordic myth aspects of the Ring, but he ignored its meaning.
Hitler loved Wagner so much that his plan was to ban it! For me there are 3 main things that Wagner shows in The Ring is how love, truth & willpower always overcomes corruption. slavery & tyranny whether perpertrated by gods or man. Hitler knew that & of course could not allow such thoughts.
Judaism is NOT a race, it's simply a set of beliefs. The Jewish religion has a firm grasp on this and the consensus is that Judaism isn't to be looked upon as a race, ethnicity, or religion, but a belief and life style that must be upheld.
Most people don't understand the difference between Hebrew and Jew, Hebrews are one in the same as Israelites, they are a race of people, a group not belonging to a belief, but descendants and residents, much like 'Americans.'
the same people that persecute people like wagner are the same people that are driving merceds benz and other german vehicles. you dont see the jews complaining about that do you? you go to any parking lot at a jewish synagogue and you will see for your self..wagner was great composer that is all.
For many of those people, the difference is that they associate Wagner with Hitler. Hitler was a great fan of his work.
Therefor these people claim that Wagner must have been like Hitler (yes he didn't like Jews either, but Wagner lived in 1883 and anit-jew was the same back then as anti-muslim these days).
let sleeping dogs rest!!! a composer of such great music is relieved of his attitudes and actions by the mear fact that he is deceased. if he were alive i am sure that you would nail him to a cross...
Thank you, WickedNazi, for posting music from an opera that is a critique of capitalism, by a composer of jewish descent who was known for and persecuted (per warrant for arrest) for his anarchist and revolutionary activities, who was mostly despised as being some sort of an avantgarde eccentric artist and who, by slyly conjuring the Bavarian Kaiser, led the "State" of Bavaria almost into ruin !
Though it must be said that Geyer (who may or not have been Wagner's real father) may have been of Jewish heritage and there is some evidence that Wagner thought so (at least at some point). So Non-Jewish and Jewish may be a component in the scene between Siegfried (Wagner) and Mime (Geyer) I think it is more peripheral rather than the forefront of the scene. If you get my meaning.
It depends. I actually think the Siegfried and Mime = Aryan and Semite to be pushing it slightly. I think it is more about Wagner's relationship with his (step-)father. It must be noted that Wagner was not against Jews as a race per se but as a culture as he claimed that German Jews should abandon Jewish culture and be purely German (which is silly as Christianity (the largest faith in Germany) is as German as Judaism...not very!). The Nazis wouldn't like Jews "integrating" Wagner would.
To be Jewish he would have to have a Jewish mother and, in my opinion, accept the Jewish faith himself. I hate that people are born into religion... that doesn't happen with political allegiances. Sorry for the mini rant.
You can't be half jewish... it's not the same as being half Irish or something like that! Do you think someone can be half Anglican or Roman Catholic etc?
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No i thnk again u idiot ud find that LISZT COPIED WAGNER IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT. LISZT LOOKED TO WAGNER FOR ADVICE AND HELP - AND APPROVAL IDIOT - WAGNER CREATED HIS OWN STYLE. EVER HEARD TRISTAN AND ISOLDE!? AND THAT CAME BEFORE THE LISZT SYMPHONIES
I find this is one of the more majestic Wagner pieces, best enjoyed at a high volume...my favourite part is right around 1:44, those background horns tend to induce goosebumps
This never fails to amaze me. Blows my mind. My favorite is still Von Karajan at the helm, so GERMAN! .....Wagner lives forever. Too bad about the horrible association with the insane NAZI's :--(
It's so off, huh. His opinion of the Jews reflected mostly on their religion and culture. He disliked Christianity as well for the same reason. His racist and egotist ways are damaging but I never thought of this guy as a "Nazi". Not so far off (kind of like H.P. Lovecraft) but the music was still amazing. He made his own vibratos too.
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horrible? Haha the spirit of a real national socialist can ONLY be fully be expressed by wagnerian music, digest it anti nazis this is the real spirit of the NAZI.
If there is a song that God or His angels play when we contemplate Him in heaven, I'd like that it was this one. It's just superb.
ViniBassMan 3 days ago
One of Wagner's best pieces!!
5015dance 2 months ago
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so what he was a anti semite so was half of europe
Hitler liked wagner Hitler also liked cheese
still looking for antisemite cheese ^^
jem77777 2 months ago
Lovely.TY TheWicketNorth for posting.
paulostroff99 4 months ago
At least nobody thinks that Wagner is cheesey - except James Joyce, that is, who said that Wagner stinks of sex!
DrCoinbiker 4 months ago
im a european and im not antisemetic
aljodewi 4 months ago
@aljodewi Cool story bro
JosephKnoxWheeler 3 months ago
I motion to have the comment option removed from youtube. The reason is obvious.
PuppetMask 9 months ago
What he lacks in moustache, he makes up for in genius.
Raydienz 9 months ago
The prelude is perhaps the most notable example in music of a lengthy passage in which a single harmony is used (Eb-major triad).
andhemills 11 months ago
Re; Wagner's antisemitism. I figure that if Leonard Bernstein and James Levine can make peace with Wagner, than so can a white anglo-saxon protestant like myself.
powe2550 1 year ago
I can see Nietzsche crying
Matr64 1 year ago 3
@Matr64 That santimonious pessimist was probably always crying.
PuppetMask 9 months ago
i like cheese!!!
futerko808 1 year ago
Is it just me, or is this particular piece THE epic music of all epic music
historygenius 1 year ago 2
oh why do people have to make dumb Hitler comments! Wagner was a genius! Modern music would not be the same without him. He may have been anti-Semitic, but hey, so was Woody Allen, we still appreciate his art :)
MonkeyInTheBath 1 year ago 2
@MonkeyInTheBath -Woody Allen happens to be Jewish. Wagner was anti semitic as was Bach.
paulostroff99 4 months ago
I like dropping huge turds to this....
dieselheart001 1 year ago 2
It is amazing but not surprising to see how Wagner''s music, especially his leitmotif technique has influenced film music. The scores to Star Wars and Lord of the Ring are clearly influenced by Wagner and I have no doubt that Wagner if born into our days would be writing film music. In fact, he was writing film music before the medium even existed.
omnivorous65 1 year ago
Las complejass composiciones de Wagner tienen un fondo intelectual filosófico, en particular con la filosofía de Schopenhawer, contemporáneos y amigos. Era la filosofía del pesimismo. que Wagner }intenta superar con su creación musical.
7cinefilo 1 year ago
Las complejass composiciones de Wagner tienen un fondo intelectual filosófico, en particular con la filosofía de Schopenhawer, contemporáneos y amigos.
7cinefilo 1 year ago
Greatest composer of all time
perhapsable 1 year ago
I wish the climactic ending never ended. I see the human race struggling and for a brief second I actually feel strength, pride, and HOPE. Not cheesy rhetoric hope used by politicians, but real unfiltered hope for humanity as a species struggling under the single banner of our mortality and bridge toward something GREATER!
B3nkr3w 1 year ago 3
Wagner videos on youtube should never have the comments section enabled. Period.
belzondium 1 year ago
Everybody seems to forget that anti-semitism was fashionable for too many people in Ricky Babe's circle - doesn't justify what the ol' boy did, but how many people withstood peer pressure when Puppet King George II started a war killing 1,000's of innocent kids on the basis of a heinous lie?
Wrulf Gunkl VonGlashaus-Steinberger
wrulf 1 year ago
This belongs to ethnic Germanic people.
odinismforus 1 year ago
What I grow weary of is the tendency for any group to presume to have the right to explain to us which art and which artists we should admire or detest, whose history is more important, what the "actual" story is, which atrocities we should know about and which we should ignore, and in so doing , arrogantly assume ownership over art, history, science and morality. What's great about this kind of art is that it speaks for itself, it owns itself, or, in other words, it belongs to us all.
acbulgin2 1 year ago
I love this as a purely instrumental piece as well but Solti and most other conductors even today like to conduct it a terribly slow dragging pace. It should be at least at a walking moderate pace. It's too dull when it's too slow. Check out George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra performing this, Szell got it the right way.
AmericanEvita 1 year ago
i have to say, it sounds somewhat hollow without the singers with it.
historyland 1 year ago
I must admit I love the clarity and joy of Verdi more than Wagner, however, Wagner's music has a genius of its own and an almost divine power. Wagner's music and his libretti have immense appeal and worth. They reach the very limits of great art and so we must rank Wagner as among the greatest composers of all time. I still prefer Verdi and Puccini on a regular basis. Perhaps there is something less serious and sweeter with Italian songs and language.
rothaich5 1 year ago
Just
Enjoy
Wagner.
andycash2010 1 year ago 5
I did not know Wagner was anti-semetic for many years. I came to discover him because of the beauty of his music. Anti- anything detracts from the beauty and genius of the music.
Seigfreid52 1 year ago
what opera is this from
paintballKid545 1 year ago
@paintballKid545 It's from Wagner's Das Rheingold.
AtheneNikephoros 1 year ago
@paintballKid545 Das Rheingold, first opera of the Ring cycle. I believe this is at the very end of the production
historyland 1 year ago
@paintballKid545 das rheingold. the ring cycle.
munk18 1 year ago
awesome, awesome, awesome song
NuMetalGrunge 1 year ago
The morons that talk about Wagner and "anti-semitism" are the same ones that think that Islam is suffering from our "misunderstanding" of its motives. In short, morons.
CrimeReport 1 year ago
grande! una (quiza la mejor) overtura de todas las operas, nada comparable, el nacimiento de las aguas, los manatiales, el rin!
imssolente1 1 year ago
I like Hitler and Wagner!
NochbeiVerstand 1 year ago
ironically i was just reading an article about ragnarok when i saw this in the related videos
SugarCape 1 year ago
WAGNER IS LIKE GOD ALL OF HIS MUSIC GIVES PEOPLE DIFFERNT FEELINGS
so what he was a anti semite so was half of europe
Hitler liked wagner Hitler also liked cheese
MINIHermanator 1 year ago 42
@MINIHermanator
We can appreciate his genius at same time disagree with his bias; even if they quite prevalent at the time.
steffeni 1 year ago 2
@MINIHermanator So thats why Hitler invaded France, it was all over cheese!
ryfin2000 1 year ago
@ryfin2000 maybe he wanted some camembert or brie
MINIHermanator 1 year ago
@MINIHermanator Well...I'd like to see some historical documentation if Hitler did or did not actually enjoy cheese as much as you say he did ;D
tonyKNIVESflo 1 year ago
@tonyKNIVESflo Trust me he was a cheesy person
i would also like to state that hitler was a vegetarian does that make all of these so called people EVIL?
Hitler hated beer does that mean all these so called people who hate beer are EVIL?
It is beside the point if hitler liked wagner does that mean all wagnerians are evil
MINIHermanator 1 year ago
@MINIHermanator
Wagner's music reaches deeper into one's soul than eating cheese or beer.
C3F6D4 1 year ago 2
@C3F6D4 indeed it does
MINIHermanator 1 year ago
@C3F6D4 Beer helps....lol
dieselheart001 1 year ago
@tonyKNIVESflo
Hitlers main reason for invading other conuntries was to take over their cheese making companies. He was driven mad by his obsession with the British cheddar industry. This has all been revealed on Wikileaks.
lsbrother 1 year ago 4
@MINIHermanator Everyone knows that cheese is evil though.
TTmaniax 1 year ago
@TTmaniax YES IT GIVES ME NIGHTMARES LOL AHAHAHHAH
MINIHermanator 1 year ago
@TTmaniax Erm, that be the cholesterol within the cheese. Not the cheese itself...
Xogroroth666 1 year ago
@TTmaniax Depends on what kinda cheese... lol... I think Limburger and Dick cheeses are nasty.
dieselheart001 1 year ago
@MINIHermanator agree, following the line of thinking you are objecting, you couldn´t marry because Hitler had wives. well, at least straight people
cogtroper 1 year ago
@cogtroper well the point is that great artists must not be seen as evil when the person who makes them evil came 60 years after the great artists death
MINIHermanator 1 year ago
@MINIHermanator haha 1883 and 1889 is only six years btw
shadowalker00 1 year ago
@shadowalker00 the birth of hitler has nothing to do with it
MINIHermanator 1 year ago
@MINIHermanator either way your sixty year figure was wrong whoops
shadowalker00 1 year ago
@MINIHermanator Cheese is anti-Semitic!
Testocules 11 months ago
@MINIHermanator i think they should 'debate' about hitler on every cheese related video :D... Oh god! Jerry from tom and jerry are nazi! All the mouse in the world are nazi too!!! :D
pakmat55 8 months ago
@MINIHermanator while i agree with your sentiment, the difference is that cheese hasn't been known to hold anti-semitic contentions.
At least, not publicly anyway
Jinda89 5 months ago
@MINIHermanator he died before hitler was born or like the 18 hundreds
woods8870 1 week ago
Truly one of the finest moments in the history of music.
cvb777 1 year ago
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HAHA! Yes! Wagners music will one day ring loud and proud in every Synagogue and every Juden will have to bow in respect or cower in fear at Wagners Genius!! They will finally be forced to see that painful truth they so stupidly deny! They will find that the truest art is borne from the utter denial and avoidance of the weakest, most vile, uncreative race!! That is Der Juden!!!!!!!
Gargantupimp 1 year ago
Wagner was an artist. Artists are fools. That's what makes them artists. I'm an artist, and, believe me, I'll fall for just about anything. But it takes a fool to try to approach God. To think it's possible to bring heaven to earth. Are we the richer for it, or just deceived ? Is the artist a devil or an angel ? Ha ha ha....
johnhofi 1 year ago
@johnhofi you an artist? hmm, perhaps a cock sucking artist, bitch!
stradhex 1 year ago
@hopelesslyderanged hahaha very true!
derteufel669LB 1 year ago
Martin Luther was extremely anti-Semitic too, and that doesn't stop the Presbyterian church from basing their religion on his words. Just enjoy the music!
mazidtheraider 1 year ago
Martín Lutero mazidtheraider @ fundo la Iglesia Luterana .
ezarri1 1 year ago
Emocionante
prusianvalpo 1 year ago
Think of Wagner's antisemitism as a crude and early embodiment of the sort of distain of Bankers (moneymen) and the Islamophobia (religion of a segregated religious society) still prevalent and largely understood in today's western society.
vacuouss1 1 year ago
Great, fantastic...thanks wagner
CALLANDOASOF 1 year ago 3
What ensemble is this? The low brass is pretty tame in this one
Germsrosolino 1 year ago
Incredible music and spellbinding Opera.
Sitting through nearly a six hour performance of Parsifal was an experience i will cherish and remember for many years.
It was not six continuous hours there was an interval or two but still mesmorising stuff.
llandudnoboy 1 year ago 2
the web site gnostic teachings gives a pretty informative course which interprets theDas Rheingold opera
cheesyrichardhead 1 year ago
HE IS DIVINE. PERIOD
klinsha8 1 year ago
I wish people would show a modicum of intelligence and stop going on about anti-semitism whenever they see a Wagner video. It's all been said before, ad nauseam.
lewars1912 1 year ago 3
Yes, a lot of Nazi B.S. in all Wagner posts.
Karajan was Nazi Mitglied as well and so what? How about Appolo's father Werner von Braun?
To all my Nazi 'friends' on this site my friendly advise: Find a job!
llazarov 1 year ago
what happened to listening to the music for gods sake this is like a pathetic kindergarten argument that will get no where
SgtGumb0 1 year ago 4
I agree with "awachtel"... All these circumstances will fade in time... only these scores will give testimony of the best of mankind spirit of our time in a few thousands of years... Regarding hate, wars, destruction and cowardice, they are part of our core nature... Every epoch has enough of them to keep in due disregard those of yore. Only Art is forever!!!!
siegfriedstark 1 year ago
Well said friend... :P
Janaart1992 1 year ago
Every single Wagner video is littered with the same idiotic circular debate. Give it a rest.
awachtel 1 year ago 104
Yeah, kinda fed up with it too...just listen to the music and relaxxx people:P You get it awachtel!
Janaart1992 1 year ago 3
@awachtel I agree. The Wagner, Hitler, Racism debates have been done ad nauseam.
lewars1912 1 year ago 8
@awachtel I completely agree. Chopin was completely anti-semitic but I don't see Jewish pianists boycotting his music. People need to end this ridiculous and tiresome debate and just enjoy this magnificent and supremely influential music.
auerod 1 year ago 12
@auerod .... Chopin at times made disparaging remarking about the Jews in but I think this was probably more a form of snobbery - many Jews in Poland were poorly off. I don't think Chopin was completely anti-Semitic.
gerardbedecarter 1 year ago
@auerod Let the art be perfect, because the artist cannot.
panthercat38 1 month ago
@EugenicsChannel The germans have never liked jews. And Wagner hated them for no reason, the same with Hitler, they both had a lot of jewish friends in the beggining but then it changed and they started to hate them.
Pleparn 1 year ago
sad truth is that with only a small research you would have to conclude everyone across europe hated jews, for some reason or another. Politics aside Wagner's music is awe inspiring.
jmbrosendo 1 year ago 3
They always had. Who was the ones to blame for something? The jews but now the Gods have interfered. And the roles are turned. Israel will prevail. Crush the vermin of the world. The Nazis.
Pleparn 1 year ago
The Israelis have become the new Nazis.
OdinCalls14 1 year ago
Why they dont have any camps or Einsatz truppe. They only kill arabs because they are protecting hamas soldiers. And if they wanted to Israel would crush the whole middle east. The arabs cant put anything against it.
Pleparn 1 year ago
The Israelis have racial laws, such as forbidding marriage between Jews and Arabs, as well as not allowing the Arabs to be in certain areas of the country.
They may not have camps, but they are committing a holocaust against the Muslim world. First they got America to engage in this never ending war against Iraq, now it looks like Iran is going to be next, since the Jews are always slandering Iran in the media.
OdinCalls14 1 year ago
@OdinCalls14 - Many Israelis today are of various or mixed race,including those who are mixed Arab & Euro,considering Arab Jews were booted out of surrounding majority Muslim nations (Iraq, Syria, etc) after Israel formed. If there is a law in Israel,it's about Jewish and Muslim marriage,rather than a question of race. If you are a white caucasian non Muslim for example, try to marry a Pakistani Muslim girl in Britain and see how far you (or the woman) get,before her family hunts you both down.
Munjij 1 year ago
@OdinCalls14 Off course the stupid vermin thinks that Hitler did right. If you ask me I would Destroy Gaza and deport all of the Arabs to somewhere else. And if they dont obey . Shoot first ask later
Pleparn 1 year ago
@Pleparn replace gaza with warsaw and arabs with jews. its terribly ironic how one nation can be oppressed and murdered by the thousands and then turn around and do the same thing to another. after a while you laugh. watch your thinking its dangerous.
milkman1847 1 year ago
For no reason? Are you serious?
OdinCalls14 1 year ago
Give me one then?
Pleparn 1 year ago
Read Wagner's "Das Judenthum in der Musik."
It's funny, some "scholars" are now trying to twist history to make it seem like Wagner had Jewish friends and admired the Jews. Ah well, some of us know better.
OdinCalls14 1 year ago
l'è belisim!
Mongolettus 1 year ago
When Wagner was alive and working, Germany was one of the most humanistic and tolerant countries in the world. It had not become a nation in the modern sense, but it was still significant in Europe.
I don't know if Wagner was himself an Anti-Semite. But I know it would not make sense for him to be such. The early to mid nineteenth-century was a time of limited cultural assimilation for Jews in Europe.
The late nineteenth-century, post 1870 at least, was another matter.
crasmane1 1 year ago
I've fallen in love with Berlioz randomly enough...
1234567bryce 1 year ago 2
i honestly think Wagner might be the best composer ive ever heard. Granted I dont listen to alot of compositions, but this seems so different and I dont find it as hard to relate to for some odd reason.
autopsy87 1 year ago
omg same
wjsado 1 year ago
@EugenicsChannel
When Hitler was a teenager he fell deeply in love with a Jewish girl. The very sensible girl rejected him, thereby condeming millions of innocent Jews to death, but you can't blame her!
As a nation Germany wanted to blame someone for their defeat in WW1. Hitler, vindictively, gave them the Jews.
batmanspaly 1 year ago
My god, are you that stupid?
OdinCalls14 1 year ago
...I just know one thing...Hitler ,when he died, was a poor man, the only thing he own was a picture...
That's it...
WolfRunen 1 year ago
yeah whatever he said
all55s 1 year ago
Wagner the man, Wagner the composer, I don't like the man but by God the music, and the composer
Rattywotin 2 years ago
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Warwickcain 2 years ago 49
@ Warwickcain well said. I believe that Wagner's favorite conductor was Jewish. Let the music have it's say and forget the rest.
iamkwk 1 year ago 2
@Warwickcain According to Bryan Magee in "The Tristan Chord," Wagner hated Jews for cultural reasons. Hitler hated them for racial and biological reasons, and Hitler's antisemitism was not derived from Wagner. The more one studies Wagner, the more one realizes that his art and his beliefs had nothing to do with Nazism. Wagnerites need to be plain about that, and not defensive. Wagner was not a proto-Nazi. Hitler loved his music, but Hitler also loved Goethe and Shakespeare.
ConqueredSun 1 year ago 4
@ConqueredSun Good point. Wagner was a very complex man. He may have hated Jews but his favorite conductor was Jewish. Also, did you know that Wagner had a composition banned by the Nazis? Parsifal was banned because it was pacifistic. Not all Nazis liked Wagner. Goebbels could not stand Wagners music.
iamkwk 1 year ago
@iamkwk All of your points are true and sound. Parsifal was banned, and Hitler had to "interpret" it's meaning to the point of caricature, where the Holy Grail does not symbolize renunciation and compassionate, universal love, but the purity of Aryan blood. Other Nazis were flabbergasted by what he "found" in the Ring, because they saw in the opera the denunciation of powermongering, war and oppression. I think that Hitler liked the Nordic myth aspects of the Ring, but he ignored its meaning.
ConqueredSun 1 year ago
@Warwickcain as a jew, I think this is an EXCELLENT comment. His music is beuatiful and inspired many of today's artists including John Williams.
auerwack 1 year ago 3
@Warwickcain
''I mean, it adds a certain wickedness to the man which gives him depth.''
''Wickness'' being equal to depth is in the realm of 13 year olds who wears all black.
SwedxSimon02 1 year ago
Being jewish is a religion. It is a Ethnoreligion
KillStevenDead115 2 years ago
Hitler loved Wagner so much that his plan was to ban it! For me there are 3 main things that Wagner shows in The Ring is how love, truth & willpower always overcomes corruption. slavery & tyranny whether perpertrated by gods or man. Hitler knew that & of course could not allow such thoughts.
nog55 2 years ago
Judaism is NOT a race, it's simply a set of beliefs. The Jewish religion has a firm grasp on this and the consensus is that Judaism isn't to be looked upon as a race, ethnicity, or religion, but a belief and life style that must be upheld.
Most people don't understand the difference between Hebrew and Jew, Hebrews are one in the same as Israelites, they are a race of people, a group not belonging to a belief, but descendants and residents, much like 'Americans.'
Zielloss 2 years ago
magnifique, splendeur
marc3350 2 years ago
god damn this is beautiful. i literally shed a tear around 1:15 and im still not entirely sure why.
willrgod2k5 2 years ago 5
The walhalla`s leitmotif cause it.
hectorfprez 2 years ago
It means the music touched you :-)
DeLachendeWolf 2 years ago
the same people that persecute people like wagner are the same people that are driving merceds benz and other german vehicles. you dont see the jews complaining about that do you? you go to any parking lot at a jewish synagogue and you will see for your self..wagner was great composer that is all.
kenxxx2000 2 years ago
First of all, this is excellent music.
For many of those people, the difference is that they associate Wagner with Hitler. Hitler was a great fan of his work.
Therefor these people claim that Wagner must have been like Hitler (yes he didn't like Jews either, but Wagner lived in 1883 and anit-jew was the same back then as anti-muslim these days).
DeLachendeWolf 2 years ago 6
let sleeping dogs rest!!! a composer of such great music is relieved of his attitudes and actions by the mear fact that he is deceased. if he were alive i am sure that you would nail him to a cross...
kenxxx2000 2 years ago
Moreover, thanks for the interpretation of jewish conductor Zubin Mehta, with the orchestra of one of the zionist centres of the world...
Leibo07 2 years ago
Thank you, WickedNazi, for posting music from an opera that is a critique of capitalism, by a composer of jewish descent who was known for and persecuted (per warrant for arrest) for his anarchist and revolutionary activities, who was mostly despised as being some sort of an avantgarde eccentric artist and who, by slyly conjuring the Bavarian Kaiser, led the "State" of Bavaria almost into ruin !
Leibo07 2 years ago
It wasn't just Hitler's favorite. It was many people's favorite because it was so damned good.
MrPontiusPilate 2 years ago 5
Yeah, it wasn't like Wagner asked Hitler to like his music. Even better, Wagner was long dead before WWII.
D6a6r6k666 2 years ago
enjoy his music and shut the fuck up! u racists!
nelasmind 2 years ago 3
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Hitler's fav artist
Bynkers83 2 years ago
@Bynkers83 Can you shut up?Stop with Nazism thematic,this is great music from a genius.Hitler:1889-1945
Wagner:1813-1886...So..Shut up and listen this marvelous music.
ArturoAlejandroS 2 years ago
Who man calm down. It just seems like he was making a statement. Nothing racist about it to me. It could have well been Hitlers favorite.
rbitrick 2 years ago
Listen backward person it is possible to have a dead favourite artist.
Bynkers83 2 years ago
Magnificent music. Listening to Wagner is like walking into paradise!!
marklavar 2 years ago 7
Though it must be said that Geyer (who may or not have been Wagner's real father) may have been of Jewish heritage and there is some evidence that Wagner thought so (at least at some point). So Non-Jewish and Jewish may be a component in the scene between Siegfried (Wagner) and Mime (Geyer) I think it is more peripheral rather than the forefront of the scene. If you get my meaning.
HimWotMustBeObeyed 2 years ago
''Bronson, All His Life Wanted To Be Famous''
SPYDER420NLR 2 years ago 2
hey I think this is the Otto Klemperer version
nice and slooooow as always by Otto
wongadonga 2 years ago
wagner had lotta friendships with jews. so please, just listen to the music. there is no proof. just because hitler loved his work? nuh...
Accavarium 2 years ago
u are so right freind - wagner had nothing to do with hitler - was born way before him!
wagneristhebest 2 years ago
He was extremely anti-semitic and you can see in his libretto that he believes in the Aryan race... look at Siegfried and Mime.
claytonperkins14 2 years ago
It depends. I actually think the Siegfried and Mime = Aryan and Semite to be pushing it slightly. I think it is more about Wagner's relationship with his (step-)father. It must be noted that Wagner was not against Jews as a race per se but as a culture as he claimed that German Jews should abandon Jewish culture and be purely German (which is silly as Christianity (the largest faith in Germany) is as German as Judaism...not very!). The Nazis wouldn't like Jews "integrating" Wagner would.
HimWotMustBeObeyed 2 years ago
Amazing it could be, Wagner WAS jew, his biologic father was Geisler, a jew.
hectorfprez 2 years ago
To be Jewish he would have to have a Jewish mother and, in my opinion, accept the Jewish faith himself. I hate that people are born into religion... that doesn't happen with political allegiances. Sorry for the mini rant.
claytonperkins14 2 years ago
to have a Jewish mother means to be Jewish for jewish laws, for biology laws, means be half jewish, the same to have a jewish father !!!!
hectorfprez 2 years ago
You can't be half jewish... it's not the same as being half Irish or something like that! Do you think someone can be half Anglican or Roman Catholic etc?
claytonperkins14 2 years ago
Be jew is belong to a race, not to a religion. You can be half jew, like I am half italian.
hectorfprez 2 years ago
Wow I could have sworn Judaism was a religion but thanks for setting me straight on that one!...
claytonperkins14 2 years ago
You are wellcome.
hectorfprez 2 years ago
I hate ethnic nationalism, whether it's Nazism or Zionism.
starry2006 2 years ago
Me too.
hectorfprez 2 years ago
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wagner copied LISZT style that's why he is Nothing compared to him.
LISZT is the Only New Romantic German Genious.
896423658 2 years ago
You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
AfroPoli 2 years ago
build a correct commentary.
896423658 2 years ago
keep your List for yourself and let us appreciate the only one true music!
josajpnide 2 years ago
where is Liszt's epic opera cycle???
oh and by the way, Hungary called! They want Liszt back
PrinsTan 2 years ago 4
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No i thnk again u idiot ud find that LISZT COPIED WAGNER IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT. LISZT LOOKED TO WAGNER FOR ADVICE AND HELP - AND APPROVAL IDIOT - WAGNER CREATED HIS OWN STYLE. EVER HEARD TRISTAN AND ISOLDE!? AND THAT CAME BEFORE THE LISZT SYMPHONIES
wagneristhebest 2 years ago
Heda, calm down. And don't talk to idiots ;)
xxxRiffRaffxxx 2 years ago
Liszt was Wagner's step-father. I'd say it was more likely that Wagner copied him....
claytonperkins14 2 years ago
I find this is one of the more majestic Wagner pieces, best enjoyed at a high volume...my favourite part is right around 1:44, those background horns tend to induce goosebumps
mrx19772 2 years ago
to me it is the horns at 6:10 that have for for over 30 years given me goose bumps
wongadonga 2 years ago
I believe Wagner's music can bring goose bumps on any human of any age or background.
Anybody denieing it simply refuses to feel, hear and see the greatness (sadness) in it.
Clausewitzz 2 years ago 3
Agreed.
But I don't feel Sadness with this I feel Triumph, Victory and Glory and a world of other things.
SPYDER420NLR 2 years ago 3
I suggest to listen to Wagner's music with text. Otherwise you'll be left with your own stereotypes.
For instance, compare the above with this:
watch?v=Vgvg8LnVPts
EinFremderAusElea 2 years ago
This never fails to amaze me. Blows my mind. My favorite is still Von Karajan at the helm, so GERMAN! .....Wagner lives forever. Too bad about the horrible association with the insane NAZI's :--(
1492oceanblue2 2 years ago 10
It's so off, huh. His opinion of the Jews reflected mostly on their religion and culture. He disliked Christianity as well for the same reason. His racist and egotist ways are damaging but I never thought of this guy as a "Nazi". Not so far off (kind of like H.P. Lovecraft) but the music was still amazing. He made his own vibratos too.
NeverAloneForever 2 years ago 4
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horrible? Haha the spirit of a real national socialist can ONLY be fully be expressed by wagnerian music, digest it anti nazis this is the real spirit of the NAZI.
Napoleontas 2 years ago
Баварци су стварно надарени људи. Велика земља Њемачка, нека буде вечна.
aljoshabre 2 years ago
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im related to him, sweet
jamalam17z7 2 years ago
which album is that? sounds fantastic
Wittmann73 2 years ago
If when the horns play and birds drop from the sky, then you know it's Wagner!
glandes 2 years ago 6
Typical Wagner music. lots of horns.
good stuff
jdoggybizzle 2 years ago 4
Well no shit, Sherlock.
DikkSteini 2 years ago 4