Yes, mostly true. The only problem is that the commandments to give everything away are on a personal level. Socialism is clearly a system of government. Jesus was clear on this issue: Leave to Caesar what is Caesar's. Jesus was a secularist, but not a Socialist. Yet your basic point still stands. Right wing Christians are hypocrites, not in their stand against Socialism, but in their own lives. How many of them do we see giving up their possessions to help the poor?
@RijenRijen Just goes to show that systems of belief are just a tool to connect our subjective experiences to some sort of social order mechanism... I like atheism for what it is, not for the company it keeps.
Excellent point. Christianity is a very difficult, rigorous philosphy to live by. It involves selfnessless, altruism, pacifism, and tolerance. Most Christians are to Christianity what Stalin is to Marxism.
And yes, Jesus was a radical. And yes, Christ's teachings and Marx's teachings have much in common.
Fubu-x-jenkoff, must have also missed the more than 100,000,000 citizens liquidated by there own countries in the last century in the name of "a global pacifist workers society".
I wonder if fubu has ever actually talked to anyone who has actually lived in a "pacifist workers society". Collectivism is fundamentally racist. This is elementary common sense.
Fubu-x-jenkoff must have missed the more than 31,000 scientists, including 9,021 PhD's, that signed a petition last year, sponsored by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, rejecting claims of human-caused global warming.
Oh, please. The Oregon petition has been exposed as worthless tract ages ago. Get ahead with it.
Of the 31,000 signatories, when you take out all those who either don't exist, aren't climate scientists, or do believe humans cause global warming, what you're left with is a couple hundreds of names. Which is representative of the 1-2% of climate scientists who don't believe the consensus.
(note though that the Oregon petition, and the bulk of these 1-2%, don't question global warming itself, only the idea that human activity is the main cause of it)
Hey gump, I hate to tell you this, but God was talking to one person and telling that one person to follow the commandments and help the poor. Did God say say "I sayeth unto thee, sell all your earthly possession and render your wealth unto the goverment, the kings, the tyrrants, and the bureaucracies of the world." Hell no! Please think before you make leaps of logic. Damn...
Leave the kids out of obama's indoctrination. barrack urkel needs to shut up and appreciate the fact that acorn and dumb asses elected his sorry ass to the White House. Can you say one-termer like peanut boy?
not sure what the fuck peanut boy means, but i am sure you are a complete fucking moron, obama doesnt want to indoctrineate kids, and i notice how you do not offer a counter arguement to the video, but rather resort to stupidity and hasty insults. typical of your side of the spectrum.
Not knowing who peanut boy is proves your ignorance of American history. Also notice your prowess in spelling, dumb-ass. Voted for the Anointed One, didn't you? Is Dear Leader Chairman Maobama picking up your mortgage and your car payment yet? Too much bong resin on the brain, fububoy?
carter? refing carter would be pretty irrelevant, and nixion, reagan and bush have done far more then obama to sell out the american people to china. and obama never said he was going to pick up my mortgage or car paymenet, but id have less trouble paying both of those if i didnt have to pay 300 dollars to get antibiotics for bronchitis.
Gee, I wonder why that is? Must be those EVIL CORPORATIONS (*shudder*) wanting you to die of brochitis. Couldn't have anything to with how the medical industry has been totally over run with bureaucracy and red tape over the past 40 years, now could it? Ya think the same people that collect data for "Global Warming" have been doing a fine job of grifting finances in the medical industry? Face it comrade, you're screwed.
well considering that i would have to wait 3 hours to be seen either way, id rather have the option not to have to pay. and yes it is very much the insurance company because they choose what they cover, and they have plenty of loopholes to get me to pay more. and the people that collect data for "global warming" are geologists, paleontologists, climateologists, and professionals in various fields, the scientific community has accepted global warming for a long time, idk why you mentioned it.
There it is again, the FREE LUNCH SYNDROME. All y'all need is a PIMP DADDY to ho ya right. There is no "scientific community consensus" for "Global Warming." ClimateGate is just a microcosm of the constant lies the radical socialist lefties come up with over and over again to support an ideology that has dramatically failed over and over again for the last 100 years. I guess "global cooling" and the coming ice age of the 70's was real too.
lol try asking a climateologist if global warming is real. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you release carbon into the atmosphere that wasnt there before in a short time period its going to affect the climate. we have released roughly 100 million+ years (the carboniferous period) worth of carbon in the past 200. and global warming originated out of climate studies in the 60s and 70s, once we had more access to data. (i could explain but you wouldnt care.)
O.k. Helmut. Climate research is difficult do to the large scale, long time periods, and complex processes which govern climate. Climate is governed by physical laws which can be expressed as differential equations. These equations are coupled and nonlinear, so that merely approximate solutions are used to create global climate models. Climate is sometimes modeled as a stochastic process but this is generally accepted as an approximation of processes that are too complicated to analyze.
lol way to resort to a "numb3rs" attempt but not really, basically they examined current trends cross referanced with ancient ones, we know what climates were like as far back as there has been erosion, and ice is even better. you see ice puts on layers every year, the duration of winter alters the thickness of the layer, in addition there are bubbles that hold samples of the ambient atmosphere for that time period. then there are depositional layers of sediment that work in somewhat...
the same way, they are linear as the climate is based on factors like rotation, tilt, ambient gasses, reflectivity, and a few other small factors that play off each other to form the climate. and when you have tens of thousands of researchers in each field all adding data together which is then processed by a governing body (of which there have been several) you can form a very clear idea of what will happen. in this case carbon released into the atmosphere from the carboniferous is causing...
radiant energy from sunlight from reflecting and being insulated, the release has been exponential, more was released in the past few decades then the whole 200 years, and its still increasing. its not as simple as more carbon, but this sets off other things, as the icecaps melt the reflectivity is changed, as ecosystems are changed, so is the atmosphere, (peat bogs for instance) the best example is the opening of the northwest passage to commercial shipping for the first time in human history.
admirable attempt (i think) but thats carl, and carl was responding to the persecution of jews in england and abroad with his ideology. an example of how christianity is socialist is in the video.
I did logic leaper: fubux's Bible reads: "I sayeth unto thee, sell all your earthly possession and render your wealth unto the goverment, the kings, the tyrrants, and the bureaucracies of the world, and in the day Obama shall rise before you, render your soul and possessions unto The One. Hail Obama!"
And y'all need to know, Karl Marx was racist fat slob.
i do recall christ saying to give up ones belongings to good will, so why should the pharisees have all the gold? i mean thats who we are talking about here, im already giving up my money the question is to who. and ya karl marx was really racist with his idea of a global pacifist workers society composed of all races and creeds working to the common betterment of humanity. it wouldnt have worked of course because there are people like you in the world who get greedy.
you can believe whatever you want and personally i don't think obama is evil or anything i just don't think he is fit to run our country... anyway that doesn't matter.... the bible stuff you mentioned, your taking it out of context and not looking at what it means. The meaning of that section is that in order to be perfect you should love spiritual things more than earthly things... NOT that you can't have anything if you wanna go to heaven
But Reagan 16:4 states that if you smack a poor person on one cheek, you must turn their face and slap the other. Gipper 21:10 also teaches the value of catching fish for yourself and the joys of not sharing it.
I don't get most of the religious stuff, but I can agree that the right wings would stop critisizsng Obama for his speech. Bush did it, and it was all hunky dory when he did it, but now that a democrat does it it is suddenly wrong and dangerous? And with all the Socialism blah blah blah, it's in his documentation that no Socialism is being taken. It's all just the republicans trying to make him look bad because a republican didn't become president.
I'm sorry, i could choose my words more respectfully. I'm just so sick of people trying to corelate the teachings of Christ with socialism. There's an obvious difference between giving and taking (stealing). The same logic applies to the "Christian Right". The state should not FORCE anyone to not use drugs, not gamble, not marry someone of the same sex, etc. This is why I personally find libertarianism to be the best political philosophy.
My grandpa used to be one of the most pro-socialistic guys you could find in Eastern Germany and was always extremely opposed to religion, but late in his life had decided to become a Seventh-day Adventist, which is an irony but not really a surprise to me because in my opinion, religion and radical ideologies (may they be left or right) always had so many very blatantly obvious shared characteristics anyway.
The problem is the federal government should not be sticking its nose in education. Unfortunately - like in other areas of our lives - it has intruded in, and politicized, it. As for Christianity being socialist, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Socialism involves STATE CONTROL over the production and distribution of resources and wealth. Socialism involves theft, a person is FORCED to "give". Provide an example where Jesus uses the force of the state to promote an agenda.
said that u can ONLY get into heaven if u give your money to the poor. because if u give your money to the poor that is a good deed but good deeds don't get u into Heaven like the Bible says... ONLY THROUGH CHRIST! it is very Good to give to the poor if u are rich, but all it is, is a good deed~!
So many people out there who wanna call their selves Christian but don't know what It really means to be a Christian. Study the word of God #1. I see ignorance and self-righteousness whenever people wanna bring God into politics especially the republicans, they can go to hell. God isn't on anyone's side but it's up to us to be on his side.
ScrapGoldBass: You should read everything not just a verse. Later they had to take a collection because the church in Jerusalem went broke.Search it out.
opnarth: Men of the Bible were very wealthy, wealth is a blessing from God. Poverty is more of a religious thing, imposed of course by crooks who wanted to make slaves out of the people.
Please if any one of you is going to criticize you have to do your homework, half quoted scriptures will not do.
Yet is it not arguable that the collection for the church differed almost entirely than the personal wealth of individuals in that the collection was the property not of an individual, but of an institution that they believed so sacred that they were willing to give up worldly wealth?
Of course, but they choose to do so. The point is that were not FORCED by God's word to give it all up.
Just because it is written that they gave their possessions up doesn't mean that this is a command. A command would be "You shall share all your possessions and goods with others." Socialism is papa government managing the production and distribution of goods (Webster's).
HERE is another example-- "All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
The kicker is do not steal; take from one part of society and give to another...the government....if you do what's right and christian you voluntarily give!
i liked the video, but on a technical note, your audio levels are way down. I had to turn the volume up to its highest setting and could still barely hear you. Just putting that out there. Peace.
Sadly Jesus was not a hippie...He did nothing to challenge the "ruling class" as a class. In fact christianity is based on establishment and has been used on occasion to control large groups of people. Jesus really did not think of politics very much like we do now. I his time the king was an extention of god and if he fell out of Gods favor he fell out of Gods kingdom. There was no democracy. Nobody could challenge the King because he was God chosen and Jesus himself believed this.
This is 100% true, which is why I am not a Christian. My life belongs to me and the good is to live it, not sacrafice it. Christianity is the cause of poverty in America, not its solution.
What? How do you posit that Christianity is the cause of poverty? That seems so far off the mark to me that I would like to hear how the two are connected, particularly since churches, Christian or not, have traditionally done their utmost to relieve the direst type of poverty, for whatever reason they may say.
It would seem that poverty is either self-induced or afflicted, but stating that Christianity abides it, much less is the cause for it, seems absurd. I am not insulting you. Tell me more
Christianity encourages povery by teaching that it is wrong to live successfully in this world. "Love not the world nor the things of the world." "Woe unto yea who laugh now." "The lillies of the field do not toil...are you not better than they?" In teaching that it is wrong to focus on this world, Christianity makes people feel guilty for making money, but morally virtuous for being poor.
Christians do not "do their utmost" to fight poverty or alleviate suffering. They *say* or imply or want you to belive that they are opposed to poverty, but their alleged opposition to poverty is just a cover up, because in fact they worship it. For example, the image of Jesus washing the feet of the poor; this does the poor no good; it is not an attempt to fight poverty, but to enshrine it. The Christian Dark Ages did not make men wealthier, but poorer, and this was no accident.
wealth does not make a man. Jesus said something like this... experience does. Those poor people of the Dark Ages at least felt accomplished. I mean they met the Penultimate Rockstar (The Ultimate being God) the legendarty healer/son of GOD. You may never eveen know the joy they must have felt.
Deutoronomy 14:22-29:You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year.
According to biblical law, you should only have to give up a tenth of your income. In the passage you quote, the man is good, but wishes to be more, that is, he wishes to be like an apostle. This passage is often the justification that priests should live without a lot of wealth.
So, the bible espouses that good people tithe, and that better people (priests) give up all their stuff.
I love American right wing nutjobs because they are so stupid it hurts.Case in point,a couple of weeks ago a rightwing america newspaper desided to have go at the NHS(the british health service) by say if stephen Hawking was british he would have been left to die.The one problem with this is he is British and the NHS probably saved his life.
Don't be so trite!.....religion, politics, morality, current events!!?....try making a vlog entitled "my cat has cancer of the ass"....that'll rake'em in.
wow..just came back to see what I wrote ( I was pretty drunk and just remembered watching the video)....btw that zz3whatever guy is hilarious!.. You should promise to make him a video only after he makes a video of himself foraging for nuts and berries.
lol that dude is great. i was really bummed when he blocked me a while back after i made reference to the picture of his wang that he sent to encyclopedia dramatica. fortunately he graced me here and pretty much made my whole week.
Hi, Sammi. Many believe our Constitution states that, but it was actually a quote in the early Federalist Papers from Thomas Jefferson, I believe, who said there needs to be a wall between church and state. Our Bill of Rights states that no individual's religious faith or practice shall be restricted by our government; I'm paraphrasing because I'm too tired and too lazy to dig up the exact wording. There is a lot of misconception about the point here in the United States.
Thank you for clarifying that, oh & living in a socialist country isn't all bad either - do Australians appear repressed & miserable to you? We are one of the only first world countries NOT in a recession.
Yes Australia is repressed and miserable. You SAY there is no recession cause they tell you there is no "recession". Please look at the fiscal data. BTW. How's that opal mining going? Please go down to the local guvmint cheese office and admire the Abo's standing in line, it just amazes me how some peeps live in a bubble.
actually that teaching from jesus is all about conquering greed . can *you* give away EVERYTHING and be happy ? besides jesus promised him heaven . a socialist only promises hell ... thankyou ...
But see, the thing about being your brother's keeper and treating others as you would have them treat you is that all this stuff is voluntary. In contrast, socialism is anything but voluntary. I'm all for helping out our fellow man if it's done as charity. Charity doesn't enslave, but socialism does. Having government usurp responsibilities held by charitable organizations takes the morality out of what is being done. It can't be moral if those paying for it have no choice but to pay for it.
Did Jesus tell Caesar that he should have his centurions forcibly take money from some people and give it to others?
That's socialism. And No he didn't.
Telling people that voluntary charitable donations are virtuous is one thing. Telling them that forcibly taking money to give it others is good is very, very, very different.
My problem with him is that he has only talked about his healthcare. He goes on TV shows left and right and he is acting like a celebrity. And so far, he is the ONLY president to appear on a late night talk show. How low can you take the presidency?
Also, why is he taking the troops out in 2012? Bush said the troops will be out by 2011.
While I agree with you on the contradictory nature of being a self righteous Christian and yet hoarding one's money, I have to say that your interpretation of Christianity being "socialistic" in nature doesn't line up with the Bible's record. Jesus was a biblical fundamentalist, did not endorse political revolution but submission to the (oppressive) government, and focused on man's relationship to God, then his relationship to other men. The rich young ruler, which you read, is less about money
and more about self-righteousness. But, I think you hit something on the head, something that bothers me, as a Christian - the fact that there are many who call themselves Evangelical Christians and behave more like Pharisees than like Christ.
According to what was written about him by other people, Jesus was a pretty wild and contradictory guy!
There's a lot of arguing about the difference between forcing people to give up money and voluntarily giving up money. But I see tithing as the same thing as forced taxes! A big group (aka "the church") forces you to give up a tithe (aka "tax") on threat of punishment of hell (aka "jail"). Either I submit to the church's/government's will, or I get punished. Both are examples of force.
Does the New Testament have to reiterate the teachings from the Old Testament? Why repeat everything that's already been instructed? Or have we, as a religion, decided to completely toss out everything in the Old Testament because God didn't know what he was talking about then?
The Old Testament isn't tossed out. The Gospel of Matthew, as other places in the New Testament, however, clears this issue up for us. Christ, according to Christian theology, is the fulfillment of the law. So the legal demands of the Old Testament are met in Christ and those who come to faith in Christ learn Who God is from the Old Testament. They also learn from the examples of other believers (1st Corinthians 10). If one is a Christian, one is not under the law but under grace.
A bible reading from Andy Mcgaffigan? Are you possessed by the devil, man?!? C'mon, that is one of the most contradictory texts, half the book God is vengeful and the other half, God is forgiving. People on both sides of this kind of argument read what they want, the choir hears you and the heretics fight it, thus incurring more partisanship. How about, he is the Prez and can talk to whoever he wants and if people don't want to help out their community, their community will deteriorate
I can't help but wonder what the public-school reaction would be if Ronald "Helicopter Deaf" Reagan were the sitting president, rather than Obama. Either way, if I had any kiddos in school, I wouldn't want them to be captive prisoners to any additional gov't propaganda (it's bad enough already); instead, I would personally tape the president's broadcast and watch it with my kids. I think it's called "child-raising."
If a socialist-minded guy showed up at my school to talk some good talk and inspire some children to be something worthwhile, I'd consider it a good thing even if I didn't agree with his policy. Too many children are being distracted by the world and their overworked or undereducated or under-matured parents are not a sufficiently-effective defense against the destruction of children. Certainly some parents are effective, but I'd say let the guy talk in your school. Then put whatever spin on it.
He's like a motivational speaker. He doesn't actually have to make any point at all, nor attempt to influence anyone in any specific political direction, but simply to inspire kids into not giving up on their country nor on themselves. I see him as a puppet politician to make socialism smell good, but watching soneone exhibit charisma, energy and focus can have a big impact on a child and what they choose to do with their free time. One person can make such a difference in the world.
5*s Obama could walk on water & these people would find fault. I can understand why some Americans dont want The President to "encourage their children to take responsibility of their education & set goals" (yeah, I dont get it either) Flash back 1992, Right winged V.P. Dan Quayle enters a classroom & meets student William Figueroa. 5 years later Figueroa is a high school drop-out with a kid. At 24, 3 kids & works at Wal-Mart. They should have spoken out then, Figueroa might have been a farmer
lol i really am glad you came back to my videos, i haven't seen you since you blocked me. are you still railing on how food should be free, or trying to launch your rap career?
food IS free. food IS free, you fucking idiot. go to the library and you can find books on wild plants, hunting, tracking, butchering, all for free. food IS free.
25,000 people starve to death every day because of something called a "pyramid scheme." this means the people on the bottom support those on the top. don't you know anything? i'm not an idiot, man, i'm an anthropologist, according to the University of Vermont. i've been studying this shit for, like, seven years.
ALL civilizations are INHERENTLY unsustainable. that's just a fact about civilizations, a.k.a. city-based human cultures.
i DON'T want to be a cog. what about you? brainless already.
aw, shit, andy mcgaffigan, tryna make cracks about the tracks that i'm rapping in, shit, why you laughing? if you think i'm mad, you should talk to the starved kids crapping in the sand, man, why you so complacent? why you isn't angry with me at the system that's got us enslaved? man, what's the point of living if you ain't ready to fight for life? what's the point of fighting if your tribesmates commit suicide? why are you still running blind? make a new vid for me, i dare you, mr. funny guy.
even though the words o jesus (to me) lean to extremely to the left, christians have associated them selves to the right because of history. originaly (talking 100s and 100s of years ago) the church was mostly accessable to people with money. read your history books people!
i agree with the points you make, but what does that have to do with our president attempting to address our children to manipulate them? why, at the last moment, has his agenda been changed? please respond.
Do you disagree with the ideals of "working hard" and "staying in school" and "believing in yourself"? That is all he is going to say to the kids. He is not going to subliminally reprogram them. For the first time in this nations recent history the crazy people are not in charge... And they are PISSED!
Jesus would not teach the forceful extraction of wealth from one group of people to give to another. You've completely misinterpreted that bible verse-- Jesus suggests this as a voluntary act, he never would have forcefully taken belongings of a person to give to the poor (Socialism).
I'm sorry but what you said is not true. Jesus didn't care about money. If you read the book of john he ripped apart a temple because it was being used for trade. What andymcgaffigan quoted is 100% right. Go read the bible, Jesus with all his actions was a liberal. He tended to people who needed to know God's love, the people that the so called right have turned their back on. The Book of John is really descriptive in Jesus' actions against the machine.
You're right, Jesus didn't care about money. And he does anger at sacrilege. But I don't think Jesus was really into politics. The few times that he does mention it are forced onto him. If you read Rom 9:1-8 you see that he does not want christians to change the government in his or Gods name. It seems to be a given. What do you make of that?
If a man doesn't pay taxes in America he is sent to jail and his money forcefully confiscated.
Where in the bible does Jesus suggest one group of men can forcefully take money from another group of men, even if that money *might* be used for good?
Do you suppose if you asked Jesus, should I be allowed to forcefully tax men to help the poor and if they refuse to pay they should be jailed at gun point, would he say yes?
You're right, Jesus didn't care about money. And a Christian shouldn't care about money either. So if your a 'real' christian you wouldn't mind sharing. Even if you're forced to do it. If you really love God you want to do things for him. Read Luk 6:34-35 and 38 (and while your at it just read all of Luk 6)
Yeah, this is true. Romans, First Corinthians, Second Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, First Thessalonians, and Philemon were written by St. Paul. This leads to some dispute because he was not a disciple of Christ. So most of his writings were in favor of the Roman Government. If you read Mark, Luke, Mathew and most importantly the book of John you'll see a drastic change of Jesus' political views because he was strongly against government, oppression and prejudice.
Sure, a Christian should work to share with others, this is quite clear in his teaching. Many churches perform charity to this end.
However, Jesus would never use *force* to do good. Is it morally justifiable to forcefully take money from one group to give to another?
Would Jesus break down a door with a gun, demanding money to help the poor? This is a yes or no question--if you answer honestly you will see Jesus would not be a socialist, end of discussion.
both are choices, and both have serious consequences. don't pay taxes - go to hell. don't be charitable, go to hell. where is the disconnect? i'm just playing devil's advocate, i'm not trying to be coy.
The disconnect is quite plain to see. Jesus does not say it is 'ok' for a mob of people to seize wealth from one group to give to another.
This is the difference between charity and Socialism-- one is through personal choice and the other through force.
Again, Would Jesus break down a door with a gun, demanding money to help the poor? Yes or no, answer honestly and you'll know where Jesus stands on Socailism. Keep dodging this question and I'll just keep asking it.
of course jesus wouldn't commit armed robbery. but he would condemn non tithe payers to death by burning according to malachi. that seems pretty forceful to me. thoughts?
I get what you're saying and the question you've raised here is one that Christians have to come to terms with. I think the answer is that God is perfect, so his commands are perfect and the force behind them is also perfect. The same can't be said for government or the laws it creates. However, to clarify... Christians don't think you go to hell for disobeying God, so long as you believe in Christ. Christ's death and resurrection pay for all these sins.
i'll concede that eventually it becomes a question of personal faith, and i'm not saying that anything a government official says should be followed like gospel truth. but everyone has the option to disobey either commandments or federal law, but disobedience to either comes with consequences. (i.e. taxes/jail; tithing/burning). the point of this video is to say that if barack obama were to recite a passage like that from the bible in a public school, he would get run out of the place.
I agree that disobedience comes with consequences in either case (although I slightly disagree about what those consequences are). And on the topic of Obama addressing school kids... I don't think it's shocking/wrong that he's going to give the speech, but I believe the event was planned poorly. There's legitimate cause to worry about what the speech might contain, but that's a totally different subject.
Frankly I doubt he'll say anything too political in his speech to the school kids, especially with every conservative in the country watching, but next time I hope he'll get parents and teachers involved in the planning of any speech to the nation's young. Mainly I think the right has misunderstood it's own outrage. We're upset because the speech was unexpected, not because he wants to talk to the kids. Or at least that's my take on it.
from what ive seen of the speech...he was simply telling kids to be good and do the right thing...fucking morons whine and wihne. they forget bush was reading books to kids when 911 happened. as for jesus...there are some pretty autocratic things in it as well. as for king james...cmon, its not evn a translation, its an rewording, self admittedly
Damn dude how wrong can you be? There is a difference between me deciding to sell my stuff and donating to the poor of my choice AND the liberal notion that my wealth be taken from me by force by government and government deciding where my money goes. Please lefties, get a clue.
well you CAN choose not to give your money away or pay tithing, but if you don't you'll go to hell forever and ever. taxes seem way more easy to get around than that, but what do i know.
I'm inclined to say, "Spoken like a true, selfish, materialistic asshole," but I may be missing your point as clearly as you're missing Andy's point in this video.
Is it such an unattainable stretch for MeTube viewers to dump the overflowing septic tanks of their myopic little minds long enough to take on some fresh water?
If we drop the tired, old, overused knee-jerk political labels for a split second and substitute "common human empathy" for "liberalism," you might get what he's saying.
Ok, take your human empathy and feel free to spend as much of your own money as you desire on it, but you have no right to my money as I have no right to yours. Better?
What about the men forcefully taking the money of others (taxation)? You CANNOT choose to not pay taxes, you'll be sent to jail at gun point. This is theft, something you won't find as morally acceptable in the bible.
Your video is a blatant lie and is void of logic. I understand it's a comedy video but to defend socialism in the name of Jesus is a remarkable misinterpretation of his teachings and hardly funny.
so if you don't pay taxes you go to jail, and if you aren't charitable of your own free will you go to hell. i'd say both are pretty serious consequences. how is that illogical?
I'm just not seeing why anyone has a strong dislike for Obama. I disagree with some of his decisions, but I think he is a huge improvement over Bush/Cheney and he's doing a way better job than McCain/Palin would have done. It's awesome that he plans on addressing school kids. Medvedev did that the other day in Russia, it seems that our leader should at least do as much for our students!
on the subject of him speaking to children..again grey area...i feel like the Bush-Obama era has been doing but putting a tighter grip on the public. Wire-tapping, spending money like their is no tomorrow, pointing fingers at someone else to take the blame off of them. People need to shut off media tv, go read the bills congress is passing and make your decision on if they are doing the right thing. YOU decide dont go off of MSNBC or FOX. they both have there own agenda
The republican christian right are also for state murder, offensive wars, so don't be surprised. They just want to use god as a rallying flag to give them some idealistic purpose to spread hate.
They don't really care what the bible says, which is a book put together by Roman imperialistic theocratic monarchs at any rate. Did you ever see the last few seasons of Stargate sg-1. They're a lot like the priests of the Ori. The book they had and what it said, actually didn't matter. lol
He believes it is OK for same sex marriages. The Bible states that it is wrong. The Bible states life begins in the womb. He overturned alot of policies of abortion.
i would dare say Jesus wouldnt vote Democrat nor Republican
Shawnedaniel do a little homework .. Obama does not agree with same sex marriage in fact he is quoted as saying that Marriage should be between a man and a woman..
However he also will not tell them they can't.
You can not tell me that Jesus agrees with the right wing nutters though.. that's for sure
Obama has skirted around the issue of same-sex marriage (civil unions) which under the law gives them the same right as a married couple...and in my previous statement i said Jesus wouldnt vote republican nor democrat.. They're idiots on both sides of the fence and to believe one party has no fault is dumb..im not saying your that person..some people hold their party next to Christ himself and think they do no wrong when most of washington has been bought not by the people but CEO's
Can't disagree with you on this one.. however my point is Jesus would not back the right wingers even with the way they use his name to try and justify their actions
All you did was take the example that Jesus made out of this man and interperate it on his worldly possessions. The fact is that the young man was more committed to his earthly possessions and unwilling to place God above them. That is the real truth of the story.
exactly - people are too committed to their earthly possessions to do what's right. isn't the second commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself? and wouldn't that mean imparting of riches to your neighbor? i.e. spread the wealth? i.e. socialism?
You're skewing this to say that if people do not share their wealth then it is not right. You are wrong in this aspect. Christianity is not against wealth until it separates one from God.
2TH 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Yes, mostly true. The only problem is that the commandments to give everything away are on a personal level. Socialism is clearly a system of government. Jesus was clear on this issue: Leave to Caesar what is Caesar's. Jesus was a secularist, but not a Socialist. Yet your basic point still stands. Right wing Christians are hypocrites, not in their stand against Socialism, but in their own lives. How many of them do we see giving up their possessions to help the poor?
ptolemyauletesXII 1 year ago
in my country the Left is christians and the right are atheïst
RijenRijen 2 years ago
@RijenRijen Just goes to show that systems of belief are just a tool to connect our subjective experiences to some sort of social order mechanism... I like atheism for what it is, not for the company it keeps.
Xakryn 1 year ago
nah its more like the right dont want more moske and and more churg and all those wierd buildings for ther amaginry friends
RijenRijen 1 year ago
Excellent point. Christianity is a very difficult, rigorous philosphy to live by. It involves selfnessless, altruism, pacifism, and tolerance. Most Christians are to Christianity what Stalin is to Marxism.
And yes, Jesus was a radical. And yes, Christ's teachings and Marx's teachings have much in common.
TreblePop 2 years ago
Fubu-x-jenkoff, must have also missed the more than 100,000,000 citizens liquidated by there own countries in the last century in the name of "a global pacifist workers society".
I wonder if fubu has ever actually talked to anyone who has actually lived in a "pacifist workers society". Collectivism is fundamentally racist. This is elementary common sense.
FastingOnClowns 2 years ago
Fubu-x-jenkoff must have missed the more than 31,000 scientists, including 9,021 PhD's, that signed a petition last year, sponsored by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, rejecting claims of human-caused global warming.
FastingOnClowns 2 years ago
@FastingOnClowns
Oh, please. The Oregon petition has been exposed as worthless tract ages ago. Get ahead with it.
Of the 31,000 signatories, when you take out all those who either don't exist, aren't climate scientists, or do believe humans cause global warming, what you're left with is a couple hundreds of names. Which is representative of the 1-2% of climate scientists who don't believe the consensus.
Dalambam 2 years ago
(note though that the Oregon petition, and the bulk of these 1-2%, don't question global warming itself, only the idea that human activity is the main cause of it)
Dalambam 2 years ago
Hey gump, I hate to tell you this, but God was talking to one person and telling that one person to follow the commandments and help the poor. Did God say say "I sayeth unto thee, sell all your earthly possession and render your wealth unto the goverment, the kings, the tyrrants, and the bureaucracies of the world." Hell no! Please think before you make leaps of logic. Damn...
FastingOnClowns 2 years ago
yes because the catholic church has never had tyrants or bureaucracies. (or any christian church, or any abrahamic religion for that matter)
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
its funny i was looking for vlogs claiming obama was a socialist to make a vlog in this vein, also holy shit havent seen ur shit in awhile man.
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
Leave the kids out of obama's indoctrination. barrack urkel needs to shut up and appreciate the fact that acorn and dumb asses elected his sorry ass to the White House. Can you say one-termer like peanut boy?
dgray72 2 years ago
not sure what the fuck peanut boy means, but i am sure you are a complete fucking moron, obama doesnt want to indoctrineate kids, and i notice how you do not offer a counter arguement to the video, but rather resort to stupidity and hasty insults. typical of your side of the spectrum.
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
Not knowing who peanut boy is proves your ignorance of American history. Also notice your prowess in spelling, dumb-ass. Voted for the Anointed One, didn't you? Is Dear Leader Chairman Maobama picking up your mortgage and your car payment yet? Too much bong resin on the brain, fububoy?
dgray72 2 years ago
carter? refing carter would be pretty irrelevant, and nixion, reagan and bush have done far more then obama to sell out the american people to china. and obama never said he was going to pick up my mortgage or car paymenet, but id have less trouble paying both of those if i didnt have to pay 300 dollars to get antibiotics for bronchitis.
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
Gee, I wonder why that is? Must be those EVIL CORPORATIONS (*shudder*) wanting you to die of brochitis. Couldn't have anything to with how the medical industry has been totally over run with bureaucracy and red tape over the past 40 years, now could it? Ya think the same people that collect data for "Global Warming" have been doing a fine job of grifting finances in the medical industry? Face it comrade, you're screwed.
FastingOnClowns 2 years ago
well considering that i would have to wait 3 hours to be seen either way, id rather have the option not to have to pay. and yes it is very much the insurance company because they choose what they cover, and they have plenty of loopholes to get me to pay more. and the people that collect data for "global warming" are geologists, paleontologists, climateologists, and professionals in various fields, the scientific community has accepted global warming for a long time, idk why you mentioned it.
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
There it is again, the FREE LUNCH SYNDROME. All y'all need is a PIMP DADDY to ho ya right. There is no "scientific community consensus" for "Global Warming." ClimateGate is just a microcosm of the constant lies the radical socialist lefties come up with over and over again to support an ideology that has dramatically failed over and over again for the last 100 years. I guess "global cooling" and the coming ice age of the 70's was real too.
FastingOnClowns 2 years ago
lol try asking a climateologist if global warming is real. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you release carbon into the atmosphere that wasnt there before in a short time period its going to affect the climate. we have released roughly 100 million+ years (the carboniferous period) worth of carbon in the past 200. and global warming originated out of climate studies in the 60s and 70s, once we had more access to data. (i could explain but you wouldnt care.)
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
O.k. Helmut. Climate research is difficult do to the large scale, long time periods, and complex processes which govern climate. Climate is governed by physical laws which can be expressed as differential equations. These equations are coupled and nonlinear, so that merely approximate solutions are used to create global climate models. Climate is sometimes modeled as a stochastic process but this is generally accepted as an approximation of processes that are too complicated to analyze.
FastingOnClowns 2 years ago
lol way to resort to a "numb3rs" attempt but not really, basically they examined current trends cross referanced with ancient ones, we know what climates were like as far back as there has been erosion, and ice is even better. you see ice puts on layers every year, the duration of winter alters the thickness of the layer, in addition there are bubbles that hold samples of the ambient atmosphere for that time period. then there are depositional layers of sediment that work in somewhat...
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
the same way, they are linear as the climate is based on factors like rotation, tilt, ambient gasses, reflectivity, and a few other small factors that play off each other to form the climate. and when you have tens of thousands of researchers in each field all adding data together which is then processed by a governing body (of which there have been several) you can form a very clear idea of what will happen. in this case carbon released into the atmosphere from the carboniferous is causing...
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
radiant energy from sunlight from reflecting and being insulated, the release has been exponential, more was released in the past few decades then the whole 200 years, and its still increasing. its not as simple as more carbon, but this sets off other things, as the icecaps melt the reflectivity is changed, as ecosystems are changed, so is the atmosphere, (peat bogs for instance) the best example is the opening of the northwest passage to commercial shipping for the first time in human history.
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
true christianity is more like communism than capitalism. remember carol marxs was a jew
199tinkerbell 2 years ago
admirable attempt (i think) but thats carl, and carl was responding to the persecution of jews in england and abroad with his ideology. an example of how christianity is socialist is in the video.
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
I did logic leaper: fubux's Bible reads: "I sayeth unto thee, sell all your earthly possession and render your wealth unto the goverment, the kings, the tyrrants, and the bureaucracies of the world, and in the day Obama shall rise before you, render your soul and possessions unto The One. Hail Obama!"
And y'all need to know, Karl Marx was racist fat slob.
FastingOnClowns 2 years ago
i do recall christ saying to give up ones belongings to good will, so why should the pharisees have all the gold? i mean thats who we are talking about here, im already giving up my money the question is to who. and ya karl marx was really racist with his idea of a global pacifist workers society composed of all races and creeds working to the common betterment of humanity. it wouldnt have worked of course because there are people like you in the world who get greedy.
fubuxjenk 2 years ago
you can believe whatever you want and personally i don't think obama is evil or anything i just don't think he is fit to run our country... anyway that doesn't matter.... the bible stuff you mentioned, your taking it out of context and not looking at what it means. The meaning of that section is that in order to be perfect you should love spiritual things more than earthly things... NOT that you can't have anything if you wanna go to heaven
fadedaway245 2 years ago
But Reagan 16:4 states that if you smack a poor person on one cheek, you must turn their face and slap the other. Gipper 21:10 also teaches the value of catching fish for yourself and the joys of not sharing it.
TheClassicalLiberal 2 years ago
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danlras 2 years ago
lol, capitalism.
MBRHIndustries 2 years ago
slurp slurp
mejt223 2 years ago
i was gonna ask why you were all sweaty.. maybe you were watching cops but
hahah 2:20 that made me laugh so hard.
hahatrainwr3ck 2 years ago
I was with you until you said you love Christianity.
209809367 2 years ago
I don't get most of the religious stuff, but I can agree that the right wings would stop critisizsng Obama for his speech. Bush did it, and it was all hunky dory when he did it, but now that a democrat does it it is suddenly wrong and dangerous? And with all the Socialism blah blah blah, it's in his documentation that no Socialism is being taken. It's all just the republicans trying to make him look bad because a republican didn't become president.
MusketeerCaptain 2 years ago
I'm sorry, i could choose my words more respectfully. I'm just so sick of people trying to corelate the teachings of Christ with socialism. There's an obvious difference between giving and taking (stealing). The same logic applies to the "Christian Right". The state should not FORCE anyone to not use drugs, not gamble, not marry someone of the same sex, etc. This is why I personally find libertarianism to be the best political philosophy.
mikeysperspective 2 years ago
My grandpa used to be one of the most pro-socialistic guys you could find in Eastern Germany and was always extremely opposed to religion, but late in his life had decided to become a Seventh-day Adventist, which is an irony but not really a surprise to me because in my opinion, religion and radical ideologies (may they be left or right) always had so many very blatantly obvious shared characteristics anyway.
schnulli79 2 years ago
The problem is the federal government should not be sticking its nose in education. Unfortunately - like in other areas of our lives - it has intruded in, and politicized, it. As for Christianity being socialist, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Socialism involves STATE CONTROL over the production and distribution of resources and wealth. Socialism involves theft, a person is FORCED to "give". Provide an example where Jesus uses the force of the state to promote an agenda.
mikeysperspective 2 years ago
spoken like a true christian.
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
Your all crazy, stay out of my house lol.. :)
jsmythib 2 years ago
said that u can ONLY get into heaven if u give your money to the poor. because if u give your money to the poor that is a good deed but good deeds don't get u into Heaven like the Bible says... ONLY THROUGH CHRIST! it is very Good to give to the poor if u are rich, but all it is, is a good deed~!
skataboy4ever 2 years ago
what u read to everyone is that the bible says that u should give all your riches to the NEEDY and live for GOD
skataboy4ever 2 years ago
So many people out there who wanna call their selves Christian but don't know what It really means to be a Christian. Study the word of God #1. I see ignorance and self-righteousness whenever people wanna bring God into politics especially the republicans, they can go to hell. God isn't on anyone's side but it's up to us to be on his side.
rnw2049 2 years ago
ScrapGoldBass: You should read everything not just a verse. Later they had to take a collection because the church in Jerusalem went broke.Search it out.
opnarth: Men of the Bible were very wealthy, wealth is a blessing from God. Poverty is more of a religious thing, imposed of course by crooks who wanted to make slaves out of the people.
Please if any one of you is going to criticize you have to do your homework, half quoted scriptures will not do.
cd3dnw 2 years ago
Yet is it not arguable that the collection for the church differed almost entirely than the personal wealth of individuals in that the collection was the property not of an individual, but of an institution that they believed so sacred that they were willing to give up worldly wealth?
nonamedshadow 2 years ago
Of course, but they choose to do so. The point is that were not FORCED by God's word to give it all up.
Just because it is written that they gave their possessions up doesn't mean that this is a command. A command would be "You shall share all your possessions and goods with others." Socialism is papa government managing the production and distribution of goods (Webster's).
cd3dnw 2 years ago
Great video!
tam705618 2 years ago
HERE is another example-- "All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
(Acts 2:44-45)
ScrapGoldBass 2 years ago
The kicker is do not steal; take from one part of society and give to another...the government....if you do what's right and christian you voluntarily give!
usualsuspect54 2 years ago
i liked the video, but on a technical note, your audio levels are way down. I had to turn the volume up to its highest setting and could still barely hear you. Just putting that out there. Peace.
DarthMerlin 2 years ago
I love your videos man!
ryanshw 2 years ago
lmao, seriously. Jesus WAS A LIBERAL!!! he introduced NEW PROGRESSIVE ideas!!
deveousdevil 2 years ago
ha ha "Jesus was a liberal" jesus lived in times of manarchy so he must have been pro monarchy.
nanaforiod 2 years ago
no douche, he was anti establishment, that's why he was killed, because he challenged the ideas of that times' "ruling class".
deveousdevil 2 years ago
Sadly Jesus was not a hippie...He did nothing to challenge the "ruling class" as a class. In fact christianity is based on establishment and has been used on occasion to control large groups of people. Jesus really did not think of politics very much like we do now. I his time the king was an extention of god and if he fell out of Gods favor he fell out of Gods kingdom. There was no democracy. Nobody could challenge the King because he was God chosen and Jesus himself believed this.
nanaforiod 2 years ago
This is 100% true, which is why I am not a Christian. My life belongs to me and the good is to live it, not sacrafice it. Christianity is the cause of poverty in America, not its solution.
opnarth 2 years ago
Christianity the cause of poverty? Elaborate on that...plz..
tikafabulous 2 years ago
What? How do you posit that Christianity is the cause of poverty? That seems so far off the mark to me that I would like to hear how the two are connected, particularly since churches, Christian or not, have traditionally done their utmost to relieve the direst type of poverty, for whatever reason they may say.
It would seem that poverty is either self-induced or afflicted, but stating that Christianity abides it, much less is the cause for it, seems absurd. I am not insulting you. Tell me more
NoRemainingCharacter 2 years ago
Christianity encourages povery by teaching that it is wrong to live successfully in this world. "Love not the world nor the things of the world." "Woe unto yea who laugh now." "The lillies of the field do not toil...are you not better than they?" In teaching that it is wrong to focus on this world, Christianity makes people feel guilty for making money, but morally virtuous for being poor.
opnarth 2 years ago
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opnarth 2 years ago
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Christians do not "do their utmost" to fight poverty or alleviate suffering. They *say* or imply or want you to belive that they are opposed to poverty, but their alleged opposition to poverty is just a cover up, because in fact they worship it. For example, the image of Jesus washing the feet of the poor; this does the poor no good; it is not an attempt to fight poverty, but to enshrine it. The Christian Dark Ages did not make men wealthier, but poorer, and this was no accident.
opnarth 2 years ago
wealth does not make a man. Jesus said something like this... experience does. Those poor people of the Dark Ages at least felt accomplished. I mean they met the Penultimate Rockstar (The Ultimate being God) the legendarty healer/son of GOD. You may never eveen know the joy they must have felt.
nanaforiod 2 years ago
Haha, I always thought that was funny, and why I got confused with hardcore christian conservatives when I was a kid.
Also... Thank you for gracing us with your presence!
bell02 2 years ago
It's funny... while you're talking about Obama, you keep looking to your left - at the advertisement for Obama's health care plan... ha ha !!!
trgoblin 2 years ago
Good points. Note also that the Biblical character Jesus said nothing about abortion, guns, homosexuality or who to vote for.
JayPhilosopher 2 years ago
Amen. Neo-Cons = HYPOCRITE.
superc 2 years ago
Deutoronomy 14:22-29:You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year.
According to biblical law, you should only have to give up a tenth of your income. In the passage you quote, the man is good, but wishes to be more, that is, he wishes to be like an apostle. This passage is often the justification that priests should live without a lot of wealth.
So, the bible espouses that good people tithe, and that better people (priests) give up all their stuff.
cypherdtraitor 2 years ago
I love American right wing nutjobs because they are so stupid it hurts.Case in point,a couple of weeks ago a rightwing america newspaper desided to have go at the NHS(the british health service) by say if stephen Hawking was british he would have been left to die.The one problem with this is he is British and the NHS probably saved his life.
SirKnobofCheese 2 years ago 3
you made a great point dude...THANKS
picotodas 2 years ago 3
There is a very big difference in personally chosing to give to the poor versus allowing the government to collect and redistribute your wealth.
I choose not to allow my government to decide whether I give or to whom!
riteENDup 2 years ago 2
ayup!
ChristopherMast 2 years ago
Don't be so trite!.....religion, politics, morality, current events!!?....try making a vlog entitled "my cat has cancer of the ass"....that'll rake'em in.
popeyecaan 2 years ago
wow..just came back to see what I wrote ( I was pretty drunk and just remembered watching the video)....btw that zz3whatever guy is hilarious!.. You should promise to make him a video only after he makes a video of himself foraging for nuts and berries.
popeyecaan 2 years ago
lol that dude is great. i was really bummed when he blocked me a while back after i made reference to the picture of his wang that he sent to encyclopedia dramatica. fortunately he graced me here and pretty much made my whole week.
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
What is so bad about greed anyway?
Wes561 2 years ago
the RIGHT is just retards and nuttjobs... thats all thats left... we can only hope Saeah Palin speaks out about this next....lol
3101010 2 years ago
That was awesome.
Coreman53 2 years ago
I thought your constitution said something about there being a separation from religion & state?
StylidiumLane 2 years ago
Hi, Sammi. Many believe our Constitution states that, but it was actually a quote in the early Federalist Papers from Thomas Jefferson, I believe, who said there needs to be a wall between church and state. Our Bill of Rights states that no individual's religious faith or practice shall be restricted by our government; I'm paraphrasing because I'm too tired and too lazy to dig up the exact wording. There is a lot of misconception about the point here in the United States.
MSWmson 2 years ago
Thank you for clarifying that, oh & living in a socialist country isn't all bad either - do Australians appear repressed & miserable to you? We are one of the only first world countries NOT in a recession.
StylidiumLane 2 years ago
Socialism can turn sour just like capitalism or communism. That's why I don't believe in either of the three "systems", moreso I believe in barter.
KingRadbadical1988 2 years ago
Yes Australia is repressed and miserable. You SAY there is no recession cause they tell you there is no "recession". Please look at the fiscal data. BTW. How's that opal mining going? Please go down to the local guvmint cheese office and admire the Abo's standing in line, it just amazes me how some peeps live in a bubble.
FastingOnClowns 2 years ago
actually that teaching from jesus is all about conquering greed . can *you* give away EVERYTHING and be happy ? besides jesus promised him heaven . a socialist only promises hell ... thankyou ...
stonerj0e 2 years ago
i can *prove* obama is a liar ...
stonerj0e 2 years ago
Hmm, interesting points being made! You are awesome.
LaughingLeaf 2 years ago
YES! EXACTLY!
uvarocker 2 years ago
well... im just glad i can sit in my room, being all stupid, unknowing and happy
SuperMuhko 2 years ago
But see, the thing about being your brother's keeper and treating others as you would have them treat you is that all this stuff is voluntary. In contrast, socialism is anything but voluntary. I'm all for helping out our fellow man if it's done as charity. Charity doesn't enslave, but socialism does. Having government usurp responsibilities held by charitable organizations takes the morality out of what is being done. It can't be moral if those paying for it have no choice but to pay for it.
highlanderfae 2 years ago
Did Jesus tell Caesar that he should have his centurions forcibly take money from some people and give it to others?
That's socialism. And No he didn't.
Telling people that voluntary charitable donations are virtuous is one thing. Telling them that forcibly taking money to give it others is good is very, very, very different.
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ImaginaryFoundation 2 years ago
My problem with him is that he has only talked about his healthcare. He goes on TV shows left and right and he is acting like a celebrity. And so far, he is the ONLY president to appear on a late night talk show. How low can you take the presidency?
Also, why is he taking the troops out in 2012? Bush said the troops will be out by 2011.
Hmmm...
-EH
MagicEH 2 years ago
Yeah, 'cuz Bush is real well-known for telling the truth...
falcon45ca 2 years ago 4
While I agree with you on the contradictory nature of being a self righteous Christian and yet hoarding one's money, I have to say that your interpretation of Christianity being "socialistic" in nature doesn't line up with the Bible's record. Jesus was a biblical fundamentalist, did not endorse political revolution but submission to the (oppressive) government, and focused on man's relationship to God, then his relationship to other men. The rich young ruler, which you read, is less about money
DJAnihilist 2 years ago
and more about self-righteousness. But, I think you hit something on the head, something that bothers me, as a Christian - the fact that there are many who call themselves Evangelical Christians and behave more like Pharisees than like Christ.
DJAnihilist 2 years ago 2
According to what was written about him by other people, Jesus was a pretty wild and contradictory guy!
There's a lot of arguing about the difference between forcing people to give up money and voluntarily giving up money. But I see tithing as the same thing as forced taxes! A big group (aka "the church") forces you to give up a tithe (aka "tax") on threat of punishment of hell (aka "jail"). Either I submit to the church's/government's will, or I get punished. Both are examples of force.
creativewind 2 years ago
Actually, the New Testament doesn't command tithing or teach that those who don't tithe are going to hell.
DJAnihilist 2 years ago
Does the New Testament have to reiterate the teachings from the Old Testament? Why repeat everything that's already been instructed? Or have we, as a religion, decided to completely toss out everything in the Old Testament because God didn't know what he was talking about then?
creativewind 2 years ago 2
The Old Testament isn't tossed out. The Gospel of Matthew, as other places in the New Testament, however, clears this issue up for us. Christ, according to Christian theology, is the fulfillment of the law. So the legal demands of the Old Testament are met in Christ and those who come to faith in Christ learn Who God is from the Old Testament. They also learn from the examples of other believers (1st Corinthians 10). If one is a Christian, one is not under the law but under grace.
DJAnihilist 2 years ago
A bible reading from Andy Mcgaffigan? Are you possessed by the devil, man?!? C'mon, that is one of the most contradictory texts, half the book God is vengeful and the other half, God is forgiving. People on both sides of this kind of argument read what they want, the choir hears you and the heretics fight it, thus incurring more partisanship. How about, he is the Prez and can talk to whoever he wants and if people don't want to help out their community, their community will deteriorate
CasualDaveDotCom 2 years ago
I can't help but wonder what the public-school reaction would be if Ronald "Helicopter Deaf" Reagan were the sitting president, rather than Obama. Either way, if I had any kiddos in school, I wouldn't want them to be captive prisoners to any additional gov't propaganda (it's bad enough already); instead, I would personally tape the president's broadcast and watch it with my kids. I think it's called "child-raising."
Great video, Andy. Good to see you back, buddy.
MSWmson 2 years ago 2
If a socialist-minded guy showed up at my school to talk some good talk and inspire some children to be something worthwhile, I'd consider it a good thing even if I didn't agree with his policy. Too many children are being distracted by the world and their overworked or undereducated or under-matured parents are not a sufficiently-effective defense against the destruction of children. Certainly some parents are effective, but I'd say let the guy talk in your school. Then put whatever spin on it.
P00P0STER0US 2 years ago
He's like a motivational speaker. He doesn't actually have to make any point at all, nor attempt to influence anyone in any specific political direction, but simply to inspire kids into not giving up on their country nor on themselves. I see him as a puppet politician to make socialism smell good, but watching soneone exhibit charisma, energy and focus can have a big impact on a child and what they choose to do with their free time. One person can make such a difference in the world.
P00P0STER0US 2 years ago
wow.
zpotek 2 years ago
One of my favorite ones is calling Obama Hitler while calling him communist. LOL. I think 1941 Russia might have had something to say about that.
My thoughts on religion can be hilariously summed up in the first minute or so of this: watch?v=UIviufQ4APo
-j
ps LOVE that you made a video!
JasonERF 2 years ago
5*s Obama could walk on water & these people would find fault. I can understand why some Americans dont want The President to "encourage their children to take responsibility of their education & set goals" (yeah, I dont get it either) Flash back 1992, Right winged V.P. Dan Quayle enters a classroom & meets student William Figueroa. 5 years later Figueroa is a high school drop-out with a kid. At 24, 3 kids & works at Wal-Mart. They should have spoken out then, Figueroa might have been a farmer
sheri226 2 years ago
A potato..e? farmer that is... lol. Great video by the way.
sheri226 2 years ago
ugh, i can't believe you get paid for your videos!
zzz33333 2 years ago
hey, can you link me to that picture of your wang that got leaked to the internet? also, butthorn.
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
.... hm.
you're cooler than me because i've been taken advantage of and sexually harassed by people on the internet?
no, you're a grown-ass man getting paid for filming himself. you're an ignorant narcissist.
what is "butthorn?" is that something i'd be familiar with if i spent more time on the internet? sorry, busy in the real world!
zzz33333 2 years ago
lol i really am glad you came back to my videos, i haven't seen you since you blocked me. are you still railing on how food should be free, or trying to launch your rap career?
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
food IS free. food IS free, you fucking idiot. go to the library and you can find books on wild plants, hunting, tracking, butchering, all for free. food IS free.
zzz33333 2 years ago
ahhhh, that's what i was missing - thanks dude. now tell me about how civilization is doomed and you don't want to be a cog in the machine.
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
25,000 people starve to death every day because of something called a "pyramid scheme." this means the people on the bottom support those on the top. don't you know anything? i'm not an idiot, man, i'm an anthropologist, according to the University of Vermont. i've been studying this shit for, like, seven years.
ALL civilizations are INHERENTLY unsustainable. that's just a fact about civilizations, a.k.a. city-based human cultures.
i DON'T want to be a cog. what about you? brainless already.
zzz33333 2 years ago
sweet, i got a two-fer - "i'm not a cog" AND "i'm not dumb/am a student."
if you could give your next reply in rhyme form, that would make my week.
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
LOL andy you rock dude
BellaBKNY 2 years ago
zzz33333 2 years ago
Dude.. why are you such a hater.. You are trying to preach about caring about your tribe mates yet within the same breathe your hating on Andy.
BellaBKNY 2 years ago
how am i hating? i am upset with every youtuber with ads on their page.
zzz33333 2 years ago
Your mad at Andy for feeding his kids? really?
BellaBKNY 2 years ago
he has kids? jeez, i feel bad for the therapists they'll have in twenty years.
zzz33333 2 years ago
hater. I rest my case. ;)
BellaBKNY 2 years ago
Jesus also said, "I bring not peace, but the sword". Your video makes a great point .
audionautix 2 years ago
He sure did, and this was to refer to the Apocalypse
jmartecep 2 years ago
Thank you! All of this whining about Why should I have to pay for someone else's healthcare...(Am I my brother's Keeper).
NoSaltyPeanuts 2 years ago 2
even though the words o jesus (to me) lean to extremely to the left, christians have associated them selves to the right because of history. originaly (talking 100s and 100s of years ago) the church was mostly accessable to people with money. read your history books people!
bcw324 2 years ago
5 stars
NetzDriverZ 2 years ago
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Ahhhh bible readings my ears are bleeding.
kidblood1 2 years ago
bravo
carolperez 2 years ago
i agree with the points you make, but what does that have to do with our president attempting to address our children to manipulate them? why, at the last moment, has his agenda been changed? please respond.
regjoe30 2 years ago
Obama is trying to manipulate our children?
Do you disagree with the ideals of "working hard" and "staying in school" and "believing in yourself"? That is all he is going to say to the kids. He is not going to subliminally reprogram them. For the first time in this nations recent history the crazy people are not in charge... And they are PISSED!
tadshackles 2 years ago
you don't have a brain, do you?
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
You're 100% wrong!
Jesus would not teach the forceful extraction of wealth from one group of people to give to another. You've completely misinterpreted that bible verse-- Jesus suggests this as a voluntary act, he never would have forcefully taken belongings of a person to give to the poor (Socialism).
studybox 2 years ago
I'm sorry but what you said is not true. Jesus didn't care about money. If you read the book of john he ripped apart a temple because it was being used for trade. What andymcgaffigan quoted is 100% right. Go read the bible, Jesus with all his actions was a liberal. He tended to people who needed to know God's love, the people that the so called right have turned their back on. The Book of John is really descriptive in Jesus' actions against the machine.
jmartecep 2 years ago 2
You're right, Jesus didn't care about money. And he does anger at sacrilege. But I don't think Jesus was really into politics. The few times that he does mention it are forced onto him. If you read Rom 9:1-8 you see that he does not want christians to change the government in his or Gods name. It seems to be a given. What do you make of that?
Cheers,
Jiwan89 2 years ago 2
If a man doesn't pay taxes in America he is sent to jail and his money forcefully confiscated.
Where in the bible does Jesus suggest one group of men can forcefully take money from another group of men, even if that money *might* be used for good?
Do you suppose if you asked Jesus, should I be allowed to forcefully tax men to help the poor and if they refuse to pay they should be jailed at gun point, would he say yes?
studybox 2 years ago
You're right, Jesus didn't care about money. And a Christian shouldn't care about money either. So if your a 'real' christian you wouldn't mind sharing. Even if you're forced to do it. If you really love God you want to do things for him. Read Luk 6:34-35 and 38 (and while your at it just read all of Luk 6)
Hope to hear from you.
Cheers,
Jiwan89 2 years ago
Yeah, this is true. Romans, First Corinthians, Second Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, First Thessalonians, and Philemon were written by St. Paul. This leads to some dispute because he was not a disciple of Christ. So most of his writings were in favor of the Roman Government. If you read Mark, Luke, Mathew and most importantly the book of John you'll see a drastic change of Jesus' political views because he was strongly against government, oppression and prejudice.
jmartecep 2 years ago
Sure, a Christian should work to share with others, this is quite clear in his teaching. Many churches perform charity to this end.
However, Jesus would never use *force* to do good. Is it morally justifiable to forcefully take money from one group to give to another?
Would Jesus break down a door with a gun, demanding money to help the poor? This is a yes or no question--if you answer honestly you will see Jesus would not be a socialist, end of discussion.
studybox 2 years ago
You also see the fallacy of his comparison.
Maxwedge12000 2 years ago
both are choices, and both have serious consequences. don't pay taxes - go to hell. don't be charitable, go to hell. where is the disconnect? i'm just playing devil's advocate, i'm not trying to be coy.
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
The disconnect is quite plain to see. Jesus does not say it is 'ok' for a mob of people to seize wealth from one group to give to another.
This is the difference between charity and Socialism-- one is through personal choice and the other through force.
Again, Would Jesus break down a door with a gun, demanding money to help the poor? Yes or no, answer honestly and you'll know where Jesus stands on Socailism. Keep dodging this question and I'll just keep asking it.
studybox 2 years ago
of course jesus wouldn't commit armed robbery. but he would condemn non tithe payers to death by burning according to malachi. that seems pretty forceful to me. thoughts?
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
I get what you're saying and the question you've raised here is one that Christians have to come to terms with. I think the answer is that God is perfect, so his commands are perfect and the force behind them is also perfect. The same can't be said for government or the laws it creates. However, to clarify... Christians don't think you go to hell for disobeying God, so long as you believe in Christ. Christ's death and resurrection pay for all these sins.
highlanderfae 2 years ago
i'll concede that eventually it becomes a question of personal faith, and i'm not saying that anything a government official says should be followed like gospel truth. but everyone has the option to disobey either commandments or federal law, but disobedience to either comes with consequences. (i.e. taxes/jail; tithing/burning). the point of this video is to say that if barack obama were to recite a passage like that from the bible in a public school, he would get run out of the place.
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
I agree that disobedience comes with consequences in either case (although I slightly disagree about what those consequences are). And on the topic of Obama addressing school kids... I don't think it's shocking/wrong that he's going to give the speech, but I believe the event was planned poorly. There's legitimate cause to worry about what the speech might contain, but that's a totally different subject.
highlanderfae 2 years ago
Frankly I doubt he'll say anything too political in his speech to the school kids, especially with every conservative in the country watching, but next time I hope he'll get parents and teachers involved in the planning of any speech to the nation's young. Mainly I think the right has misunderstood it's own outrage. We're upset because the speech was unexpected, not because he wants to talk to the kids. Or at least that's my take on it.
highlanderfae 2 years ago
from what ive seen of the speech...he was simply telling kids to be good and do the right thing...fucking morons whine and wihne. they forget bush was reading books to kids when 911 happened. as for jesus...there are some pretty autocratic things in it as well. as for king james...cmon, its not evn a translation, its an rewording, self admittedly
battim 2 years ago
moronic
wizkid2000 2 years ago
please specify as to what. also, lol. and butthorn.
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
Damn dude how wrong can you be? There is a difference between me deciding to sell my stuff and donating to the poor of my choice AND the liberal notion that my wealth be taken from me by force by government and government deciding where my money goes. Please lefties, get a clue.
Maxwedge12000 2 years ago 2
well you CAN choose not to give your money away or pay tithing, but if you don't you'll go to hell forever and ever. taxes seem way more easy to get around than that, but what do i know.
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
You just made a horrible comparison between Christianity and liberalism. Hey, feel free to do whatever you wish with YOUR money but leave MINE alone.
Maxwedge12000 2 years ago
I'm inclined to say, "Spoken like a true, selfish, materialistic asshole," but I may be missing your point as clearly as you're missing Andy's point in this video.
Is it such an unattainable stretch for MeTube viewers to dump the overflowing septic tanks of their myopic little minds long enough to take on some fresh water?
If we drop the tired, old, overused knee-jerk political labels for a split second and substitute "common human empathy" for "liberalism," you might get what he's saying.
NoRemainingCharacter 2 years ago
Ok, take your human empathy and feel free to spend as much of your own money as you desire on it, but you have no right to my money as I have no right to yours. Better?
Maxwedge12000 2 years ago
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MSWmson 2 years ago
What about the men forcefully taking the money of others (taxation)? You CANNOT choose to not pay taxes, you'll be sent to jail at gun point. This is theft, something you won't find as morally acceptable in the bible.
Your video is a blatant lie and is void of logic. I understand it's a comedy video but to defend socialism in the name of Jesus is a remarkable misinterpretation of his teachings and hardly funny.
studybox 2 years ago
so if you don't pay taxes you go to jail, and if you aren't charitable of your own free will you go to hell. i'd say both are pretty serious consequences. how is that illogical?
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
Hey, now, wasn't there something in that book about "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's . . . " ?
MSWmson 2 years ago
I'm just not seeing why anyone has a strong dislike for Obama. I disagree with some of his decisions, but I think he is a huge improvement over Bush/Cheney and he's doing a way better job than McCain/Palin would have done. It's awesome that he plans on addressing school kids. Medvedev did that the other day in Russia, it seems that our leader should at least do as much for our students!
blackturtleshow 2 years ago
I think the ability to sense cognitive dissonance is connected to having any feeling at all between the ears.
Y'know, and stuff. GO FOX NEWS! YEAH!
seanbedlam 2 years ago
on the subject of him speaking to children..again grey area...i feel like the Bush-Obama era has been doing but putting a tighter grip on the public. Wire-tapping, spending money like their is no tomorrow, pointing fingers at someone else to take the blame off of them. People need to shut off media tv, go read the bills congress is passing and make your decision on if they are doing the right thing. YOU decide dont go off of MSNBC or FOX. they both have there own agenda
shaunedaniel 2 years ago
The republican christian right are also for state murder, offensive wars, so don't be surprised. They just want to use god as a rallying flag to give them some idealistic purpose to spread hate.
chimera15 2 years ago
They don't really care what the bible says, which is a book put together by Roman imperialistic theocratic monarchs at any rate. Did you ever see the last few seasons of Stargate sg-1. They're a lot like the priests of the Ori. The book they had and what it said, actually didn't matter. lol
chimera15 2 years ago
I totally agree with you Andy you rock.. Jesus would have voted for Obama no doubt.. So awesome to see a video from you! Make more! :D
BellaBKNY 2 years ago
He believes it is OK for same sex marriages. The Bible states that it is wrong. The Bible states life begins in the womb. He overturned alot of policies of abortion.
i would dare say Jesus wouldnt vote Democrat nor Republican
shaunedaniel 2 years ago
Shawnedaniel do a little homework .. Obama does not agree with same sex marriage in fact he is quoted as saying that Marriage should be between a man and a woman..
However he also will not tell them they can't.
You can not tell me that Jesus agrees with the right wing nutters though.. that's for sure
BellaBKNY 2 years ago 2
Obama has skirted around the issue of same-sex marriage (civil unions) which under the law gives them the same right as a married couple...and in my previous statement i said Jesus wouldnt vote republican nor democrat.. They're idiots on both sides of the fence and to believe one party has no fault is dumb..im not saying your that person..some people hold their party next to Christ himself and think they do no wrong when most of washington has been bought not by the people but CEO's
shaunedaniel 2 years ago
Can't disagree with you on this one.. however my point is Jesus would not back the right wingers even with the way they use his name to try and justify their actions
BellaBKNY 2 years ago
Jesus performed abortions. When I say "performed",
I mean on stage, like a magician.
So fucking cool that guy!
seanbedlam 2 years ago
All you did was take the example that Jesus made out of this man and interperate it on his worldly possessions. The fact is that the young man was more committed to his earthly possessions and unwilling to place God above them. That is the real truth of the story.
albatrossforlife 2 years ago
exactly - people are too committed to their earthly possessions to do what's right. isn't the second commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself? and wouldn't that mean imparting of riches to your neighbor? i.e. spread the wealth? i.e. socialism?
andymcgaffigan 2 years ago
You're skewing this to say that if people do not share their wealth then it is not right. You are wrong in this aspect. Christianity is not against wealth until it separates one from God.
2TH 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
You have to read deeper into it.
albatrossforlife 2 years ago