Shoulder pain injury rotator cuff self treatment

[ZblueheartX]

i have a sevearly damaged soulder because of which i stoped useing my arm too mutch and endedup losing a lot of muscle, not im trying to gain some of my muscles back. what I do now is ignore the soulder pain when i lift 1 or 2 kilos and after im done i apply ice on my soulder. this seems to work but sometimes the ice dosnt help and i still endup with a lot of pain. any tips ?

[Yanyos]

ice not good....kill cells and slow the recovery process....

[mgaft1]

@Yanyos actually in acute inflammations within skeletal muscular system it is important to apply ice and in no case hot application. Usually pain sensation reflecting degree of inflammation. Subjective scales of pain intensity can help to decide. For example if on scale from 0 to 10, pain sensation will be five and above ice have to be applied, . Will continue at next post.

[mgaft1]

@Yanyos in case when pains reaching five and below, one can , use hot. Cold/ice application for more than 10 minutes can cause irreversible damages and especially to nerves tissue, otherwise properly applied ice massage promoting healing process. Any non-septic inflammations in the results of diminished blood supply to injured area. Ice application reducing local temperature, and human body restoring normal temperature, by promoting more blood supply to area.

Best wishes.

Boris

[REALITYCHURCH]

I think this debate on how many R.C. muscles there are is really overblown. Seems to me you are both right. I am awaiting dual complete shoulder replacement. From 25+years of hard construction work. Both of my UCSD Orthos tells me there are 4 muscles that make up the cuff but I understand that the shoulder contains many more and these muscles and other soft tissue can be involved at least on a sympathetic level. My Ortho confirms this. Please quit with the petty arguing. So stupid.

[mgaft1]

@REALITYCHURCH absolutely. Many clinical books referring and presenting rotator cuff as a 6 muscles.

Because shoulder region/join has largest range of motion, stability and movement is provided by complex system of ligaments, tendons, bones, muscles and Fascia structures, that supporting each other, and therefore your orthopedic surgeon explained to you this way. From clinical point of view it is correct. Thank you very much for meaningful post.

Best wishes.

Boris

[ratkins72]

@mgaft1 I too am confused by the presentation. 6 rotator cuff muscles, have we evolved since I last studied? Supraspinatus, Teres Minor, Subscapularis and Infraspinatus. Can I ask what other muscles you are including as part of the rotator cuff? I don't mean to be rude or insulting, I'm just curious as to your definition. Many thanks.

[mgaft1]

@ratkins72 you just didn't take time to read my reply to already posted similar questions.at proposed DVD I am presenting protocol for a rotator cuff syndrome, therefore we also must address latissimus dorsi as well teres major and teres minor muscles. necessary to do so because this muscles supporting and moving shoulder joints region, and in cases of rotator cuff syndrome demonstrating all clinical phenomenon exactly like other 4 muscles.otherwise no results will beachieved .

Best .

[yoyoyo24134]

so much anger in the world, and the sad part is that its over if there is anatomically 4 or 6 shoulder muscles -_- no one cares whos watching this video except f290

[mgaft1]

I believe that only way for you not to be so dedicated is to buy my DVDs. Just not to repeat myself I'm offering text from my previous post."On DVD# 4 I do presenting protocol for cases of rotator cuff syndrome. If you would have this you will hear me presenting anatomical definitions of rotator cuff but I also explain why and how, in order to achieve results one must to address all6muscles.the same I do at myselfDVD#2.in my previous posts I did try to explain to you. Best wishesBoris

[f290]

@mgaft1 I now realize you are fully aware that I am correct in what I have said. You would not have removed my original comment (which happened to be the highest rated for a reason). I see now that this is more about selling your videos and less about being scientifically accurate and medically educational. Good luck to you and those whom you teach.

[mgaft1]

@f290 first of all please check all your posts, I never delete no one of them. Secondary I never said that you are wrong in a prospective of classic anatomical definitions of  4 rotator cuff muscles.On my DVD I do explaining that not accidentally I'm presenting six muscles as rotator cuff muscles.please overview all my replies to you, where I am trying to explain to you why it important to address all 6. I believe this is the time for you to produce some clips.

good luck to you as well.

Boris

[tyciol]

Learning more about the rotor cuff and names of muscles and moves that target them has been very interesting. Been doing much bent-over rowing for transverse extension since it seems the external rotators also perform this function. I am envious of people with a gym machine for this as I find it fatiguing for the lower back which seems to limit progress.

[OriginalReason]

my shoulder was dislocated on 9 October 2010, it happen when im in Taekwondo tournament, a contact sports. it was popping out about 4 times in 1 day....and it happen again on 1st January 2011 when im trying to lifting up weight...

but after tat i still lifting up weight to make my shoulder strong until now, i just afraid it may happen again, any advice?

[MegaAubster]

i only feel pain when i do bench press above 90 kgs, just on the right shoulder, do u know wot that myt be?

[TehN00Bpwnator]

Boris,

If you still check on messages I would like to ask you a question.

I hurt my shoulder, how can i tell what kind of injury this is?

[mgaft1]

@TehN00Bpwnator it could be many different conditions such as just inflammation within rotator cuff structure with no tears or with some.the best way is to be examine by Dr..

Best wishes and get well fast.

Boris

[izzy1064]

I strained or sprained my rotator cuff and now i have trouble moving my arm. What treatment can i give to my arm?

[mgaft1]

@f290 theoretically you are correct. On my instructional DVD#4, I explain what you just stated with the only difference that supraspinatus and other mention muscles are attached to greater tubercule of the humerus and not to to the head of the humerus. Because latissimus dorsi as well as teres major perform exactly the same function as 4 other muscles, clinically you should view it as a rotator cuff muscles and address it for results.

Best wishes

Boris

[f290]

@mgaft1 Physiologically (not clinically) the latissimus dorsi and teres major have roles in movement of the shoulder joint. But the anatomical or functional "cuff" that stabilizes the humerus into the glenoid fossa of the scapula, which is made by the convergence of the true rotator cuff muscle tendons I have mentioned. They do not perform exactly the same funtion as the other muscles.

[mgaft1]

@f290 physiology is a science of function. Clinically could mean:' the symptoms, improvements est.

At the time of treating rotator cuff disorders including frozen shoulder, we most view it as a part of the group and address latissimus dorsi and teres muscles as well.many studies supporting my statement and most important clinical outcomes dictating it.

Best wishes.

Boris

[f290]

@mgaft1 I do concede that those muscles can have a pathophysiolocial role in rotator cuff injury. But you misunderstand they are not part of the defintion this video is trying to present. Clinical medicine accepts and supports what I am saying. I am a clinician and have had to point out on two occasions that this information is incorrect. You are trying to make supplementary muscles of the shoulder synonyomous with a wider physiological and anatomical definition that is the rotator cuff.

[mgaft1]

@f290 thank you for comment. I'm glad to learn that you are doing clinical work.in such a case will be much easier to come to agreement. Any clinical work is about results, such as less pain, increase of range of motion as well functional activities improvement.at the time of procedure, If not to address all six muscles that I have mentioning in my video,it is very difficult and/ or impossible to get positive clinical outcome of improvement.

Best wishes.

Boris

[f290]

@mgaft1 You seem to dismiss that the term “cuff” is the anatomical definition referring to the cup/capsule/convergence of tendons of the selected muscles that hold the head of the humerus in place (think of ball that is “cuffed” in a socket). It makes no sense to alter or add to this definition like you have done here. T.major and L. Dorsi are supplementary to the action/stabilization of the shoulder and not part of the anatomical “cuff”. The first few seconds of your video is wrong.

[mgaft1]

@f290 I have produced 12 instructional DVDs where I am presenting more than 55 hands-on protocols and all my teaching is about to deliver results. On DVD# 4 I do presenting protocol for cases of rotator cuff syndrome. If you would have this you will hear me presenting anatomical definitions of rotator cuff but I also explain why and how, in order to achieve results one must to address all6muscles.the same I do at myself

DVD#2.in my previous posts I did try to explain to you. Best wishesBoris

[f290]

@mgaft1 I’m not questioning the clinical management of a rotator cuff injury. You are employing rhetoric to poorly defend your error in anatomical structure in this video here. I advise you learn the terms anatomy, physiology and pathophysiology. By doing so, you may be able to communicate more effectively to your clients and peers. By not acknowledging your mistake, not only is your knowledge and understanding of the topic called into question, but also the veracity of your body of work.

[girbaudGzus]

how do you tighten your shoulder joint ? so its more stable

[MrLonestardodge]

hi i hurt my shoulder two days ago bench pressing my shoulder had been hurting for a few weeks feeling like it was popping out. while i was benching i heard a loud crack or tear in my shoulder when i got up i could not move my arm in any direction two days later i still cant move it and tremendous pain occurs when i try is the rotator cuff torn??

[pippingsam]

it's like asking a plumber to tell you how to fix you toilet.

[gagrenna]

i feel pain when i rise up my hand overhead ( i have a injury in rotator cuff last 2 months )after i rest it and do exercise with elastic band if i do pull ups i improve my shoulders mobility??

[mgaft1]

Dear gagrenna. all that you have described do not sound as a full rehabilitation but inhibition of pain. if during 2 months this pains existing than almost positive that you developed trigger points as well possible muscular energy disbalance. both of this disorders as well neuromuscular re-education techniques must be applied. this techniques I present on my self management DVD

Best wishes.

Boris

[bkdmd]

Boris, if you are still monitoring this message board, have you have much experience with heavy bench pressers using your techniques?

How did the heavy benchers respond?

thanks

BK

[mgaft1]

Dear bkdmd .

I do monitor messages and for some reason only now, come across yours. please forgive me. I have uploaded 71 clips and monitor comments by reviewing general messages page and yours for some technical reason didn't appear. actually no matter in what kind of sports you involved my techniques will help. for at least 40 years this self techniques previously where in utilization with in former Soviet Union Olympic teams. proving to be safe and very effective.

Best wishes.

Boris

[pryncyss]

Can these techniques be used on torn rotator cuff? The video mentioned sprain/strained but I wanted to know specifically on a torn rotator cuff. Drs state surgery is necessary to repair numerous tears. ALSo, there are bone fragments in the joint and need to be removed.

Will this be a safe technique?

thanks!

[mgaft1]

Dear pryncyss.

1st please forgive me for somehow missing your post 2 months ago. there is a different degrees of rotator cuff tears. I mean partial not significant, total tear est. muscles and tendons exactly like skin and other tissues in case of damage( example finger cut) naturally repairing these damages by creating scar tissues. on my self DVDs I teach how to stimulate diffusion process for scar tissue formation. consultant your doctor, maybe you will avoid surgery. Best wishes

[fawda283]

The Rotator cuff is made up of 4 muscles not 6.

[mgaft1]

Dear fawda283. I am sorry. somehow have missed your comment. just will name rotator cuff muscle for you: supraspinatus,infraspinatus, subscapularis,teres major,teres minor. some textbook including latissimus dorsi some not. I believe that it should be included because functionally latissimus dorsi performing the same action. Best wishes.

Boris

[Rosie858]

I also had surgery on my left shoulder, to repair a tendon tear and shave the acromion. The left shoulder is back to normal. The right shoulder is the problem. I had both surgeries done within 6 months of each other.

[mgaft1]

Dear Rosie858,

It doesn't matter how much good did the surgery do. We must still remember that surgery is a significant trauma that must be fully rehabilitated. Otherwise one will suffer from complications similar to yours. Only massage for rehab purposes, is not enough even if it will inhibit pain. I would recommend to purchase my DVD and follow it to the letter including massage and all other proposed procedures for at least 6 weeks 3 times per week.

Best Wishes,

Boris

[Rosie858]

Hi! your videos are so helpful! Thank you!

I had arthroscopic surgery on right shoulder to remove calcium deposits but it turned out I didnt have them, well what they did is shave the acromion. I was not able to have my 6 wk follow up or complete physical therapy due insurance coverage ending. Now I have a pain in my right shoulder blade by my spine, could it be a pinched nerve or a problem from the surgery? when its massaged the pain from my shoulder goes away?

[blacktop069]

i injured my right shoulder and i have not done any work outs on my right shoulder for a month now and it still hurts do u have any info for me that would be usfull? if so right back thnk u

[mgaft1]

Dear blacktop069 .

not to work out only is not enough for a rehabilitation.on this clip I'm talking on a comprehensive treatment that include many modalitys.just not to repeat myself please listen again. this all techniques helping to manage scars tissue , stabilize joint, to eliminate trigger points, increase blood supply ets.all this will eliminate pain but most important will rehabilitate to the point that you will have less chance for renjury like R/C total tear

Best wishes.

Boris

[pam0157]

I am a massage therapist. I would like to know do you have a technique for plantar fasicitis? I am very interested in your video's also. My patients need stretching techniques for their individual needs. Is there step by step handout exercises I can purchase from you also? Thanks Pam

[mgaft1]

Hello Pam.

I appreciate your interest in my DVDs. plantar fasicitis techniques I'm covering in details on DVD#9. additionally this DVD contain techniques for hip disorders.PAD, and much more. as you can see by paying for 1DVD you getting multiple. for details visit my web site or click on link under my picture on your right. step-by-step stretching and other exercise I'm proposing on self treatmentDVD#7. you're welcome to view clip" proper warm-up stretching exercise "

Best wishes.

Boris

[sepulturaspeed]

Boris, excellent work yet again! I was wondering if you have manual therapy techniques for uplifting the Spirit of a client (treatment for depression). Thanks.

[mgaft1]

Dear sepulturaspeed.

Thank you very much for kind comment. the main percentage for reasons of clinical depression is a stress. scientifically and clinically proven that massage therapy is the most powerful method in stress management. for detail information on the subject ,please view my clip" stress management"

Best wishes.

Boris

[Energyium]

good information

in addition to this information chiropractic care will also help

[mgaft1]

Dear Energyium .

Thank you for comment . I am glad that you like presented information. the matter of fact that many chiropractors, physical therapists and even primary-care physicians as we speaking distributing my DVDs as a home program. patients reporting improvement and this is what is most important. thanks again for comment.

Best wishes.

Boris

[Energyium]

Your information is awesome and I intend to use it for my patients as a future Chiropractor.