So let me get this straight. There is a textile factory, it can no longer afford to pay its bills because it is not competative on the open market. It is not competative because its labor and pension costs are skyhigh. The workers are not productive so they have to hire more and more people just to produce the product. They close down. Now the workers of that plant, who drove it into the ground are protesting? Protesting what?If a plant can't survive it can't survive.Nobody owes anybody a living
Greece is in this mess BECAUSE OF SOCIALISM. Why isn't Switzerland in the same mess? Why isn't Australia? Why isn't Japan?
Greece would DIE under Communism. How many millions would be killed this time? Turkey would pick up whatever's left and Greece would disappear forever.
@AntiFascist2011 hey my country died becouse of capitalism it was sometiesm known as Yugoslavia,it was a socialist state and everything was way better than it is now
@gosenica44 Well to be honest, there is a difference between Socialism and Communism. I've read the Communist Manifesto. It says that all nations and religions must be destroyed and that everything must be Communist. There are however various forms of Socialism including the one in former Yugoslavia. From what I've read, almost every Greek government since WW2 was Socialist and corrupt. Maybe Yugoslavia had a better form of Socialism.
@gosenica44 Here in the UK we have the Labour party which was founded as a Christian Socialist party opposed to Marxism/Communism. Christian Labour governments gave us the NHS (National Health Service) which is free healthcare, free education and improved worker conditions. There are many different political and economic ideologies. Socialissm, Social Democracy, Christian Democracy, Liberal Democracy, Social Market, etc. Communism is too similar to Fascism.
@gosenica44 CApitalism and socialism ( i am an avowed capitalist and always will be0 can only work if the people who run them are honest moral people. I do not know you I do not claim to pass moral judgment on you. I am saying that if you get people who are honest and who do care abot their neighbors, with capitalism you will get a nation that has some of the hardest working people on the planet. I dont know your religious beliefs but take a lok at the jews leaving egypt in Exodus.
@gosenica44 All i am saying is that although your country was better under socialism, there are greater heights that you can reach while with capitalism.
@AntiFascist2011 Greece never had socialism!Once had social democracy and then all capitalism.Under communism,all our production resources would be OURS not the investors' or bankers'.If you read the Communist Manifesto truly,you would know that communism is stateless so it can't be similar to fascism and North Korea isn't communistic in fact(army and king rules that country,there are no kings and armies in a communistic society)Marx didn't say that nations and religions...
@AntiFascist2011 ...must be destroyed.He said that people should put proletarian consience and class struggle before national and religious consience. It's true that every government in Greece was corrupt since 19th century(except Kapodistrias but he was murdered)and the country has been exploited under the "protection" of GB and USA.We need independance to save ourselves but this is not possible until we get productive.
It's obvious they choose Communism. The workers and the people are growing insanely tired of the corrupt Papa Andreou alliance with the rich bankers. The country is in a economical crisis and the bankers want the people and the workers to pay off the debt while their filling their pockets with all the money.
Hey workergirls, notice how america lasted over two hundred years and th soviet union less than 100 and noticehow america is one of if not the richest country on the planet. So I ask, define failure?
@agnostikistria only because we now believe that we have to provide, through the government (which I dont understand when we could do it ourselves alot better) their whole wellbeing of heatlhcare money etc
Actually it surprises me that a communist admits that Stalin was a monster. Many reds here (in Greece) believe that Stalin was good. You know why?? Because he was a communist (or said he is). You are fascists, blinded by your irrational faith in a failed, brutal system. You will always defend it, and ignore every sign of its failure.
In Capitalism i am free to use my abilities to aquire wealth. Under Communism, only the Partie's loved ones get to eat.
@EpicFilip Yep, that's right. If you're a communist, pledge unwavering devotion to Stalin, ignore the fact that he was a totalitarian who sent millions of Russians to their deaths. There's no reformed collectivist ideologies, every commie just wants to absolutely controlled so they don't have to risk ever being hungry. /sarcasm
Most communists believe in anarcho communism, a system with no hierarchical authority. Fuck Marx and Engels.
@EmilioCasavegas Stop trying to use humor. Its not Stalin. Its (place party leader here) that they will worship [banned religion but placed HUGE Lenin, Marx and (party leader) portraits to worship instead-i wonder why]. Prove me wrong and stop using -isms and theories anymore. Look at a thing called REALITY.
Oh and i;m pretty sure your local Commie recruiter says they "wont repeat the mistakes", you can refrain from telling me that.
@EpicFilip Fucking Christ, can't we agree already that Marxism is a failed system who's constituents are lost morons, and get to debating the actual principals of free market vs collectivism? Or does your argument depend entirely on pointing out the failures of the authoritarian version of collectivism?
@EmilioCasavegas Why the need to debate a historically failed policy or concept?? I'm sure that your Commie leader said he won't repeate the same "mistakes"-- the whole concept of communism was the mistake. You just keep repeating "but but but Marx said it would work!!". The world will move on.
Communism will always leed to authoritarian corrupted regimes. That is because it claims that its the ultimate destination of humanity, and demands every citizen to accept it. Dissidents are always killed off. There must be a reason why EVERY commuist regime ended or mutated to Manchester Capitalism or plain old dictatorship, Korea style.
@arp455 Trotsky was responsible for thousands of deaths too. What about Mao? What about Khrushchev who nearly started the Third World War? Just look at Cuba, it's so poor that crime rate is ridiculous, and they arent allowed to advance in technology because they still worship Castro as some kind of Communist God
Ask a German if they like capitalism or communism better. Most economies today are a mixture of both as seen in welfare programs throughout the western world. fuck the iron curtain of repression
99% would be better off under communism, but capitalism and free market is better for the COUNTRY and the 1%. The question the take over movement has to ask is whether you are willing to sacrifice for your country.
"Communism goes against the majority of the people human nature of greed" So love, solidarity, creativity, and companionship is not in human nature, or could it just be, that once children enter the capitalist society it forces change from creative and merry kids to what you call greedy personalities? When the profitmaximizing capital system extorts 3 Billion workers that earn less than $2aday live in poverty, it is not a utopia to protest active inequality, but is a duty to every pure human.☭
Communism deserves another chance... Start with Socialism then move on to Communism when we are ready and prepared. I think this is the main reason most previous communist states fell... they had a lack of planning and tried to dive head first into communism.
@thatkindofguy234 - Should we give Nazism another chance too? Why not bubonic plague? How much do people have to suffer and die before you are happy?
The reason communism failed is that no group of experts, no matter how clever, can ever plan an economy as well as the people can plan it for themselves. Central planning always fails. It's not an accident. It is about force, and those who disagree are usually killed. By design.
The free market leads to prosperity for all. Communism never does.
@thatkindofguy234 Mhm I agree completely. Plus, Lenin and Stalin got most of their ideas from various socialists from Russia, and not much from Marx. The communism that the world knows is not communism.
when all else fails, when you've taken everything from the producers you can squeeze, cry, communist revolution, and take the gleanings. remember the price though; your personal freedom. hope you acquire a taste for human flesh because thats what communist calories burn,schmucks!
It is kind of stupid that money should direct a person's action and will but not the person's own will. I hope Greece can succeed in a new system that guarantees that.
Jeah greeks, get Communism but be ready to live without cars, computers and Internet, medical drugs, as u are not able to produce anything except ouzo and oliveoil.
Greece with its corrupted country by neo liberalism is already capable producing all those goods,and providing all those services,a initial step would be to stop importing any crap from Germany,only then Greece can have what EU has denied it,a sizable heavy industry.
All southern europe should do the same=60% of the german exports over.
@StellandBlood well greece is not importing crap from germany the import mainly high tech investment products like machines for farming, and production and weapons like all europe and world does, u will see greece will go down, a century old industry like the german one cannot be copied especially not by a bunch of greeks, they just can make olive oil and tourism, but that is possible to get in better quality and cheaper everywhere else, nobodz wants to invest in greece, better leave euro
"a century old industry like the german one cannot be copied "typical german speech,the inerent superiority crap,the reason,why half world wouldn´t mind your people to be fully exterminated,gosh what a aberration,with the right type of government,that does not allow massive corruption,the great plus of Germany since its very beginning,not only can be copied,it can be surpassed,comparing to southern europeans,germans have no comparable genius or imagination,you are inferior at that.
Capitalism... Communism..blablabla Were can i vote for ..ehmm.. Logic-ism!? were the justice means what it meant for ancient Hellenes and punishment didnt recognised classes? Were economy would be based on resources or no money at all(Venus project)?
Communism is an extreme. A better solution is simply for Greece to go back to using the drachma and put the ownership of the central bank back into the hands of the governement. Simple solution. Works every time. The U.S. was made powerful by a public central bank and made weak every time it adopted a private central bank. The Euro is the problem.
LMAO at all these gullible communist and anti-capitalist on here! Its so funny how they have successfully tricked themselves into believing that "the capitalist gods" decided to take out Greece, Portugual, Spain, etc. When in realty those are there the most socialist countries in the EU.
Aging population + Third world immigration + Fuck ton of free money from the government = collapse.
I hope that Greece really does turn eyes towards Communism, preferably Titoism, or something like East Germany, only without the wall, and the massive spying despite it's efficiency on keeping out crime.
@proatmetazine30906 You could argue that Capitalism has existed forever because Capitalism is not a philosophy that requires adoption, it merely IS, but a true form of Capitalism has never existed. It's always been government control of business, which is VERY different than Capitalism.
@workergirls It's not a failure. Their aren't alot of genuine capitalists. The "business" people who are called capitalists are more accurately profiteers. They just want to do anything to make money-destroy people, destroy the environment, anything. If we had gov that was not a prostitute to the business class and actually regulated these profiteers we would have a more capitalist system and far less externalities. Having business staffing much of gov is the failure. Take the FDA as an example.
@mpc91 3 Billion humans earn less than $2 a day, good to see you only care about the mainly white countries. Capitalism=social darwinism. You really should get out of your fucking country and see how great the imposed "free trade" deals of the west are for the workers of this world. mpc91 Communism is not a planned economy my friend, read some left literature before spouting your euphemistic bullshit. Workers produce material wealth, Workers' democratic control over production is communism.
@noprofitmaximierung - That's funny, there I cite that poverty statistics for the ENTIRE world, and you think it's about "white countries". If I was as racist as you say, if I wanted mass suffering, then I would, like you, support communism. That's proven to cause suffering, poverty, and genocide
Workers produce wealth, but who plans what wealth? Is it bureaucrats spending someone else's money, or entrepreneurs risking their own?
You should read some actual economics before scoffing at reality
Bullshit! Greece is a failure because it's ran by anti-capitalist morons, communists and obsessive socialists. The government needs a bullet through the head, individual freedom is being corroded by you revolting communists.
On the contrary the US has done very well, it maintains a massive GDP, has a higher Human development index and dominates the world despite its mistakes in many measured outcomes.
@AtheistTower The USA has managed to keep its high GDP, but its growth has been steadily declining over the years... It is already past 15 Trillion dollars in DEBT. It has a negative economy, they owe so much to the rest of the world. I don't know what the USA is doing in Iraq or any of those middle-eastern countries. Wars are what is putting YOUR country into debt. Your government needs a change dude.
What a load of crap: the US has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world. It's socialism that's killing the country - we had to pay for the losses of big companies: that's SOCIALISM not capitalism you complete fucktard.
What is wrong with large corporations? You're using technology maintained by a large corporation. It's corporatism that you should be opposing - and yes, capitalists oppose that too, look at Ron Paul for a notable example.
I am sorry about my highest rated comment; I did not mean that capitalism as an ideology has existed, but rather that its' core principle have been dominant since the dawn of "civilization".
@PesiCool Ok thank you for explaining, I thought is this guy serious? But that's a different story, As for our conversation. You do provide a good point but we live in a world where we want to surround ourselves with the people and things we want. And that will never end, as for Paris and the Native Americans, what have they done for the world. France hasn't won a war in the history of the world and the Native Americans didn't make steel over in Pittsburgh when they had the chance.
@PesiCool Communism may work in Africa where the most successful people there are tribal. The pages of the old teach that the treasures of Heaven are filth of the Earth, the only thing communism needed was capitalism and need I mention how many civilians died in World War 2 that were under Communist rule? Or how many Ukrainians died for that matter? Communism does not value human life. Every form of civilization with Communist principles have had it's own citizens die because of their Government
@Gaelheretic4 Honestly... are you that stupid?! Were you aware that the words "stat"e and "communism" are contradictory in every sense? Were you aware that the red army successfully fought back over 80% of the Nazi German armed forces and saved the world from Nazism? Do you even know the definition of communism?
You are comparing oranges to apples, for fuck sakes you fucking idiot! I cannot be bothered to reply to you anymore. You are so hopelessly stupid that I have lost faith in mankind.
@PesiCool Yes I was aware that children were involved in the defending of Berlin while the Red Army invaded, that's hardly the Red Army's fault but some casualties were made as with every war there is. You can justify communism at the price of the death of Nazism. A true Marxist would, but you can't deny the fact that in order for the Red Army to have food, the state needed to rob Ukraine of their farms and made the Ukrainians refer to cannibalism. That's why you called me a fucking idiot.
Look throughout history in America....Capitalism stopped in the 1970s, 1980s. Communists are very good at sneaking their philosophies and ideologies into a nation - look what happened in Cuba and Yugoslavia! The same thing is happening in Britain, Canada, France, and the United States; be wary as to what laws your government passes. As for China, they are still Communist.
They pretend to be Capitalist to appease those who oppose Communism in the West.
@PesiCool There is no perfect system in the world because man is an imperfect creation, there will always be someone who will be against every form of government, but the trick is for that person to be able to fit a government as he sees fit. Does communism do that? I don't think so, Communism has failed and you refuse to see that, but you know what, your using You tube as a way to prove your point when it was AMERICAN capitalism that made it. You can believe the way you want ,
Actually, you're both wrong about a few things! It is not well known, but the Soviet Union was preparing to invade the Nazis and conquer Europe all the way to Spain. Yes, the Nazis were murderers and criminals, but so are Communists. Capitalism has only tried to end Communism and Nazism; sometimes death is present/necessary. The United States has had Communist ideologies since the mid 1970s.....take a look back through your history books. It's not capitalist anymore.
@1Venom859 You may be right but there is a bigger threat right now than Communism and that is Islam. You want to talk infiltration, the word Assassin came from the Arabic language.
If you are referring to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, you're gravely mistaken. Both have been trained by the CIA and both are tools to be used by the United States to keep countries in line; look at the CIA commander arrested in Pakistan who has been found to be training "terrorists". I don't like Islam, for a lot of reasons (most obvious). But these terrorist groups are used by America, and they helped stage 9/11.
You're last post is quite accurate; I wonder why its part of English..
@1Venom859 Yeah when was this CIA commander arrested in the 90's when Iraq invaded Kuwait? Something is rarely what it seems to be especially with the CIA, Mossad probably has some people in Al Qaeda right now. The CIA and Mossad are the most undercover organizations of the world, there isn't anything that happens under the sun that either doesn't know about. I'm sure the CIA had their reasons to do anything they have already done, your naive to think that terrorists are our puppet.
Look back to what they did to Kennedy when he threatened to disband their organization: they assassinated him. I have done my research concerning the CIA and their link to Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. I am far from naive; I recommend you do your own research & stop listening to anything the government says anymore.
Also, these "terrorists" are CIA trained. The CIA are the terrorists you seek; a CNN news crew found Bin Laden in Saudi Arabia right after 9/11, and he claimed he did not initiate the attacks. Not only that, why are our governments in Afghanistan when Bin Laden was last seen in Saudi Arabia? Why haven't they been able to find Osama Bin Laden when a news crew found him right after 9/11? I used to think the same way you do, but I have opened my eyes to viewing the world differently.
@1Venom859 "The CIA are the terrorists you seek," I have no idea what you've been reading but there is no legitimate proof of what your saying that's credible enough to make a point. I'm not into your theories but I respect it non the less. For you can form that opinion out of facts that you find credible in this great country of ours. There are some things I would rather not know because of how horrible human beings can be, so it was nice debating with you, I'll give you the last word.
What I mean is that the CIA trained Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Look up the history of Osama Bin Laden; he was trained to train guerrillas against the USSR. He turned on the American government, and soon committed acts of terror on his own, but he was always under CIA orders. A CNN news crew found Bin Laden AFTER 9/11 and interviewed him in Saudi Arabia - the CIA has been looking for someone who is now dead for at least 10-15 years. They could've easily had him.
Do some research; I'm not typing my comments without research. I've read on numerous websites and added up facts of 9/11 to determine it was staged. Bin Laden told the CNN news crew he didn't attack the American people - that the government had done it.
3 years ago, I would be making the argument, "We're over there to fight for our freedom.". I was wrong.
You have officially gained my respect! I totally agree...human beings can be horrible. Hitler is a good example.
@PesiCool Because I live in a country where you can criticize it all you want but in the end you love it because every time you type on your computer, a little reminder on Evil Capitalism. So you have a nice day and God Bless America
@Gaelheretic4 I can assure you that there are computers in communism too. God screw America. Probably the most hated country in this world, your fucking capitalist system is responsible for the crisis, for poverty in AFrica and several wars.
@1stAma You want to try and lead Africa with the same tactic that bankrupted North Korea, or Capitalism for that matter? Be my guest, those people couldn't fall underneath one system even if their life depended on it. Has communist North Korea helped Japan at all with their such generous nature? How about Iran with their Islamic Regime? Or how about Qadhafi? Who helped save millions of people in the Philippines in 1991, April 30th? I have nothing to prove, have a nice day.
Greece is already very socialist, and it failed because greeks are immature and they want their government to give give give, then when the bill came and they had to start living their life of luxury they cried. Fuck you greeks other countries had to bail you ungrateful lazy fucks out. I hope you all vote for communism and then follow the paths of every communist society STARVATION.
@Maxsarkar Marx's model of capitalistic crisis has been thoroughly disproven on multiple levels but has that stopped individuals from blindly stating that it is "fundamental truth"....no.
Greeks - your communist members of parliament have betrayed you, worker-class by voting for economic measure policy whose ideas was made by recent government. to go ahead. You cannot trust politicians from both sides of your Parliament.
Many cuts will be made in 2011 just as my government in the UK will do the same starting with a 20% increase in VAT on Saturday.
No country has ever achieved communism. Totalitarian states branding themselves as 'communist' have been oppressive, but the term communism is so poorly misunderstood and misused
fuck communism, anyone that likes communism should read The Black Book of Communism written by FORMER communist. Read Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who was a Soviet solider. Communist have killed more than 100 million people starting in the 1870's Paris communes ending until the 1990's
FUCK COMMUNISM, every country that has taken communism has become a massive shithole filled with massacres and bloodshed. EVERY COUNTRY
@Nothiean those books are the truth, FACTS even the Russians after the fall of communism released documents from the KGB showing how MILLIONS of people were killed like animals in gulags
@tHeWasTeDYouTh No man, the writers of that book just PICKED RANDOM numbers. Its stupid. Anyway, Capitalism has killed like FIVE times as much as anything. WW1, WW2, Millions who die of poverty each year. So fuck Capitalism, and fuck you.
@tHeWasTeDYouTh so...you can enjoy your capitlistic system....Greece, Ireland have already collapsed...and there are other countries in the queue like Portugal, Spain,Italy and UK....I think that Capitalism has succeed....
@Harry13ification are you crazy, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM is what those countries are
socialism is the problem, the government comes and give you all these benefits but that creates insane debt, when the programs are scaled back because of the debt people think they are entitled the social programs and go crazy
@PesiCool Whoever thumbed this comment up is an idiot. Capitalism has existed since the dawn of man? This is why even Marx said that capitalism formed out of a feudal set of relationships. By your very definition, communal living, a system which was in use in primitive times, is equivalent to communism which is ridiculous.
@axe863 Perhaps not the definition of capitalism, but all the values it has have existed since the beginning and have been fucking things over since the first civilizations.
@PesiCool Do you seriously believe that people specialized and exchanged based on relative efficiency before individuals existed in a setting communal w/ significantly homogeneous skill sets and collective labor? A primitive form of communism had to have existed before a primitive form of capitalism.
@PesiCool I, as a bloodthirsty capitalist, was being nice. Your statement that primitive capitalism existed since the very beginning is retarded because it assumes that a higher structure of interactions and a higher degree of specialization(trade would occur due to relative efficiencies etc) existed before a simpler structure and a homogeneous skill sets were present. Now do you understand what I was saying, Mr. Derp?
@axe863 Yes, I have learned a lot over 2 months, including what Marx had to say about this. In fact I had forgotten the comment, but I said DERP because it is defined as "A situation that has been completely mismanaged or mishandled"
@PesiCool Marx talked about how capitalism, the modern form, emerged out of feudal technologies. So even Marx disagrees with you. Maybe you should read some Marx before you even talk about this kind of stuff. Primitive form doesn't = Modern form. After you read Marx, read some advanced books on endogenous growth theory and portfolio theory which completely debunks Marxian construct of capitalistic crisis via the law of the falling rate of profit.
@PesiCool Lets go into the history of Thanksgiving, everyone received the equal amount of food and they all starved equally, the worst of it was starvation. But when the leaders changed course, a certain portion of land was given to the colonists then they had too much food earned by the sweat of their brow. And I just have two question for you, how much do you give to charity and name the communist country that worked?
@Gaelheretic4 That's just pathetic... we already have an overabundance in food production (most of it is wasted on useless stuff, such as throwing perfectly fine fish back to the sea, food not meeting factory standards (most commonly in appearance) and food rotting on the store shelves), although hundreds of billions of tons of it are wasted every year, yet 36.000 people die everyday due to a lack of basic necessities (primarily food).
I cannot name a communist state by your standards because
@Gaelheretic4 Communism by definition is a stateless ideology that promotes direct democracy in all stages of society and egalitarianism. It is very hard for such a society to exist because of the influences of this vast insanely corrupt world we have today. I can mention communes that have had over 50 thousand people ini China in the 20th century (which blossomed with success), the whole structure of the societies that millions of native Americans belonged to, the Paris commune and more.
@Gaelheretic4 Societies that implement communist principles do not have to be "countries" (communism =/= state) and they have existed throughout history in different shapes and sizes, most of them with huge successes if you disregard exterior influences, such as imperialism, corporations, foreign ownership claims etc. etc. etc.
@PesiCool LOL. Capitalism HAS NOT existed since the dawn of man kind you stupid fuck. Dawn of mankind... Do you even know when that was? Achieved proper communism? That's because it requires people to submit their natural urges to the whims of the mob. You're fucking stupid. Morality is independent of government, and Capitalism does NOT include a set of morals. If you think we've ever been Capitalist you're dumb. Read "The Errors of Socialism".
You gave your economic sovereignty to your greatest enemy (Germany),your budget deficit is the highest in Europe, you spent bucket loads on a train system that pulls empty carriages, you want to retire at 55, your public servants all take bribes (fakilaki) then egged on by hooded anarchists you burn 3 innocent people alive in a bank during a riot. You all chain-smoke, are fat and seem to all talk at once. You now want to turn this shambles over to the Marxists. What's wrong with you people?
@SuperAcab666 I'm telling you the truth about the animals, check for yourself. Neo liberalgovernment? In Denmark? You still have your generous pension system don't you? Just let me know, how much is a cheap bottle of scotch. Last time I checked it was 70 Euros. Doesn't sound like the neo libs have overun Denmark just yet!
@chimetrooper Perverts fucks animals all over the world even in Australia.
I´ll recomment you to read about Denmark, then you´ll find out we have a fucked up gov, and luckily we dont have fucking euro yet. A cheap bottle of Scotch is a round 90 DKK. Cheers and peace:-)
russia today is a communist network
kit2ng219 4 days ago
yadayadayada... Ask a greek socialist a simple question. Where the fuck is your GDP, what is growth and how does a bank work.
they are oblivious...
HellstromGR 4 days ago
So let me get this straight. There is a textile factory, it can no longer afford to pay its bills because it is not competative on the open market. It is not competative because its labor and pension costs are skyhigh. The workers are not productive so they have to hire more and more people just to produce the product. They close down. Now the workers of that plant, who drove it into the ground are protesting? Protesting what?If a plant can't survive it can't survive.Nobody owes anybody a living
yeniceri1015 1 week ago
Greece is in this mess BECAUSE OF SOCIALISM. Why isn't Switzerland in the same mess? Why isn't Australia? Why isn't Japan?
Greece would DIE under Communism. How many millions would be killed this time? Turkey would pick up whatever's left and Greece would disappear forever.
AntiFascist2011 3 weeks ago
@AntiFascist2011 hey my country died becouse of capitalism it was sometiesm known as Yugoslavia,it was a socialist state and everything was way better than it is now
gosenica44 2 weeks ago
@gosenica44 Well to be honest, there is a difference between Socialism and Communism. I've read the Communist Manifesto. It says that all nations and religions must be destroyed and that everything must be Communist. There are however various forms of Socialism including the one in former Yugoslavia. From what I've read, almost every Greek government since WW2 was Socialist and corrupt. Maybe Yugoslavia had a better form of Socialism.
AntiFascist2011 2 weeks ago
@gosenica44 Here in the UK we have the Labour party which was founded as a Christian Socialist party opposed to Marxism/Communism. Christian Labour governments gave us the NHS (National Health Service) which is free healthcare, free education and improved worker conditions. There are many different political and economic ideologies. Socialissm, Social Democracy, Christian Democracy, Liberal Democracy, Social Market, etc. Communism is too similar to Fascism.
AntiFascist2011 2 weeks ago
@gosenica44 CApitalism and socialism ( i am an avowed capitalist and always will be0 can only work if the people who run them are honest moral people. I do not know you I do not claim to pass moral judgment on you. I am saying that if you get people who are honest and who do care abot their neighbors, with capitalism you will get a nation that has some of the hardest working people on the planet. I dont know your religious beliefs but take a lok at the jews leaving egypt in Exodus.
TheHistory1776 2 weeks ago
@gosenica44 All i am saying is that although your country was better under socialism, there are greater heights that you can reach while with capitalism.
TheHistory1776 2 weeks ago
@AntiFascist2011 Greece never had socialism!Once had social democracy and then all capitalism.Under communism,all our production resources would be OURS not the investors' or bankers'.If you read the Communist Manifesto truly,you would know that communism is stateless so it can't be similar to fascism and North Korea isn't communistic in fact(army and king rules that country,there are no kings and armies in a communistic society)Marx didn't say that nations and religions...
agnostikistria 2 weeks ago
@AntiFascist2011 ...must be destroyed.He said that people should put proletarian consience and class struggle before national and religious consience. It's true that every government in Greece was corrupt since 19th century(except Kapodistrias but he was murdered)and the country has been exploited under the "protection" of GB and USA.We need independance to save ourselves but this is not possible until we get productive.
agnostikistria 2 weeks ago
They should move to North Korea to see how Communism really works. If you have the flu, amputating your legs doesn't help.
AntiFascist2011 3 weeks ago
C'MON GREECE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xtremelygoodlookin 1 month ago
It's obvious they choose Communism. The workers and the people are growing insanely tired of the corrupt Papa Andreou alliance with the rich bankers. The country is in a economical crisis and the bankers want the people and the workers to pay off the debt while their filling their pockets with all the money.
Jkmaitre08 1 month ago
@Jkmaitre08 They should go to jail, their wealth be confiscated and Greece should declare the debt as "odious debt" and refuse to pay it.
radurambo 1 month ago
@radurambo Yes why not.
Jkmaitre08 4 weeks ago
@Jkmaitre08 THat will be the right solution
radurambo 4 weeks ago
@radurambo Ofcourse. If they gain money on peoples pain and misery then why not confisacting their false wealth and power.
Jkmaitre08 4 weeks ago
Hey workergirls, notice how america lasted over two hundred years and th soviet union less than 100 and noticehow america is one of if not the richest country on the planet. So I ask, define failure?
TheHistory1776 1 month ago
@TheHistory1776 You miss the fact that US is Number one in debt list but destroys other countries to survive(Afghanistan,Iraq etc)
agnostikistria 2 weeks ago
@agnostikistria only because we now believe that we have to provide, through the government (which I dont understand when we could do it ourselves alot better) their whole wellbeing of heatlhcare money etc
TheHistory1776 2 weeks ago
@agnostikistria and because there are evil men runnning this country. Infront of and behind the scenes
TheHistory1776 2 weeks ago
Long live socialism! Long live communism!
radurambo 1 month ago
@radurambo Is your wife also communal?
ryansongalia 1 month ago
@ryansongalia Is your wife a commodity?
LyriXqT 1 month ago
@ryansongalia Wouldn't know, not married. You fail
ryansongalia 1 month ago
This channel should change it's name to Communism Today
ryansongalia 2 months ago
@ryansongalia So help you God.
radurambo 1 month ago
@radurambo Thank you, he's blessed me well.
ryansongalia 1 month ago
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Moments from the class struggle in Greece 2009-2011 and the role of the KKE (Communist Party of Greece).
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Solidarity with the struggle of the Greek people and the Greek Communists!
katithaginei 2 months ago
Actually it surprises me that a communist admits that Stalin was a monster. Many reds here (in Greece) believe that Stalin was good. You know why?? Because he was a communist (or said he is). You are fascists, blinded by your irrational faith in a failed, brutal system. You will always defend it, and ignore every sign of its failure.
In Capitalism i am free to use my abilities to aquire wealth. Under Communism, only the Partie's loved ones get to eat.
EpicFilip 2 months ago
@EpicFilip Yep, that's right. If you're a communist, pledge unwavering devotion to Stalin, ignore the fact that he was a totalitarian who sent millions of Russians to their deaths. There's no reformed collectivist ideologies, every commie just wants to absolutely controlled so they don't have to risk ever being hungry. /sarcasm
Most communists believe in anarcho communism, a system with no hierarchical authority. Fuck Marx and Engels.
EmilioCasavegas 2 months ago
@EmilioCasavegas Stop trying to use humor. Its not Stalin. Its (place party leader here) that they will worship [banned religion but placed HUGE Lenin, Marx and (party leader) portraits to worship instead-i wonder why]. Prove me wrong and stop using -isms and theories anymore. Look at a thing called REALITY.
Oh and i;m pretty sure your local Commie recruiter says they "wont repeat the mistakes", you can refrain from telling me that.
EpicFilip 2 months ago
@EpicFilip Fucking Christ, can't we agree already that Marxism is a failed system who's constituents are lost morons, and get to debating the actual principals of free market vs collectivism? Or does your argument depend entirely on pointing out the failures of the authoritarian version of collectivism?
EmilioCasavegas 2 months ago
@EmilioCasavegas Why the need to debate a historically failed policy or concept?? I'm sure that your Commie leader said he won't repeate the same "mistakes"-- the whole concept of communism was the mistake. You just keep repeating "but but but Marx said it would work!!". The world will move on.
EpicFilip 2 months ago
@EpicFilip Well, I'll just rest my defense until you quit repeating yourself and actually respond to my arguments instead of ignoring them.
EmilioCasavegas 1 month ago
@EmilioCasavegas I am a communist because communism is the only ideology worth fighting. Why are you NOT a communist? Are you a satanist?
radurambo 1 month ago
@radurambo I never took a stance against communism. I was just debated a fellow who was ANTI-communist. I actually endorse communist principles.
EmilioCasavegas 1 month ago
@EmilioCasavegas Sorry, bro. It happens not to understand each other. Greetings from Romania!
radurambo 1 month ago
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Communism will always leed to authoritarian corrupted regimes. That is because it claims that its the ultimate destination of humanity, and demands every citizen to accept it. Dissidents are always killed off. There must be a reason why EVERY commuist regime ended or mutated to Manchester Capitalism or plain old dictatorship, Korea style.
EpicFilip 2 months ago
@arp455 So what about China, Korea, the whole East Europe, Africa?? Those don't count?? Or do you believe they were fine??
EpicFilip 2 months ago
@arp455 Trotsky was responsible for thousands of deaths too. What about Mao? What about Khrushchev who nearly started the Third World War? Just look at Cuba, it's so poor that crime rate is ridiculous, and they arent allowed to advance in technology because they still worship Castro as some kind of Communist God
spongebo13 2 months ago
@arp455
Leftwing authoritarianism has never done any country any good.
AtheistTower 2 months ago
Ask a German if they like capitalism or communism better. Most economies today are a mixture of both as seen in welfare programs throughout the western world. fuck the iron curtain of repression
toymachine2021 3 months ago
99% would be better off under communism, but capitalism and free market is better for the COUNTRY and the 1%. The question the take over movement has to ask is whether you are willing to sacrifice for your country.
candakz 3 months ago
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A.C.A.B.=All Commies Are Bastards
FreeRoosterGR 3 months ago
Greece never turned eyes to communism..............Fuck Communism........
MultiGavros7 3 months ago
Fuck the reds, they destroyed Greece
TakisAthensGr 4 months ago
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"Communism goes against the majority of the people human nature of greed" So love, solidarity, creativity, and companionship is not in human nature, or could it just be, that once children enter the capitalist society it forces change from creative and merry kids to what you call greedy personalities? When the profitmaximizing capital system extorts 3 Billion workers that earn less than $2aday live in poverty, it is not a utopia to protest active inequality, but is a duty to every pure human.☭
noprofitmaximierung 4 months ago
Communism deserves another chance... Start with Socialism then move on to Communism when we are ready and prepared. I think this is the main reason most previous communist states fell... they had a lack of planning and tried to dive head first into communism.
thatkindofguy234 4 months ago
@thatkindofguy234 I agree.
onewhopwns 4 months ago
@thatkindofguy234 - Should we give Nazism another chance too? Why not bubonic plague? How much do people have to suffer and die before you are happy?
The reason communism failed is that no group of experts, no matter how clever, can ever plan an economy as well as the people can plan it for themselves. Central planning always fails. It's not an accident. It is about force, and those who disagree are usually killed. By design.
The free market leads to prosperity for all. Communism never does.
mpc91 4 months ago
@thatkindofguy234 Mhm I agree completely. Plus, Lenin and Stalin got most of their ideas from various socialists from Russia, and not much from Marx. The communism that the world knows is not communism.
PaintballRush222 4 months ago
Thank god that I hate both capitalism and communism :D
FreeRoosterGR 5 months ago
@FreeRoosterGR Just out of curiosity. What does that make you?
gulbirk 5 months ago
@gulbirk just a dumbass lol
tichergeorge 4 months ago
when all else fails, when you've taken everything from the producers you can squeeze, cry, communist revolution, and take the gleanings. remember the price though; your personal freedom. hope you acquire a taste for human flesh because thats what communist calories burn,schmucks!
chickenwretch 5 months ago
It is kind of stupid that money should direct a person's action and will but not the person's own will. I hope Greece can succeed in a new system that guarantees that.
gewangew 5 months ago
Fuck everyone with more than 5000 euros month(no human deserves that) fuck the EU and fuck Nato,capitalism is a totally bankrupt system.
Communist South is the only way.
StellandBlood 5 months ago
Jeah greeks, get Communism but be ready to live without cars, computers and Internet, medical drugs, as u are not able to produce anything except ouzo and oliveoil.
n8junge 6 months ago
@n8junge
Greece with its corrupted country by neo liberalism is already capable producing all those goods,and providing all those services,a initial step would be to stop importing any crap from Germany,only then Greece can have what EU has denied it,a sizable heavy industry.
All southern europe should do the same=60% of the german exports over.
HAHAHA
StellandBlood 5 months ago
@StellandBlood well greece is not importing crap from germany the import mainly high tech investment products like machines for farming, and production and weapons like all europe and world does, u will see greece will go down, a century old industry like the german one cannot be copied especially not by a bunch of greeks, they just can make olive oil and tourism, but that is possible to get in better quality and cheaper everywhere else, nobodz wants to invest in greece, better leave euro
n8junge 5 months ago
@n8junge
"a century old industry like the german one cannot be copied "typical german speech,the inerent superiority crap,the reason,why half world wouldn´t mind your people to be fully exterminated,gosh what a aberration,with the right type of government,that does not allow massive corruption,the great plus of Germany since its very beginning,not only can be copied,it can be surpassed,comparing to southern europeans,germans have no comparable genius or imagination,you are inferior at that.
StellandBlood 5 months ago
@n8junge
The reality is that we don´t need your land of swines for nothing.
StellandBlood 5 months ago
Capitalism... Communism..blablabla Were can i vote for ..ehmm.. Logic-ism!? were the justice means what it meant for ancient Hellenes and punishment didnt recognised classes? Were economy would be based on resources or no money at all(Venus project)?
twicon 6 months ago
Every nation gets what they deserve.
By that I mean, "No one forced you to vote for a right winged party."
gulbirk 6 months ago
Communism is an extreme. A better solution is simply for Greece to go back to using the drachma and put the ownership of the central bank back into the hands of the governement. Simple solution. Works every time. The U.S. was made powerful by a public central bank and made weak every time it adopted a private central bank. The Euro is the problem.
webfulfill 6 months ago
LMAO at all these gullible communist and anti-capitalist on here! Its so funny how they have successfully tricked themselves into believing that "the capitalist gods" decided to take out Greece, Portugual, Spain, etc. When in realty those are there the most socialist countries in the EU.
Aging population + Third world immigration + Fuck ton of free money from the government = collapse.
fargonbastedge 6 months ago
I hope that Greece really does turn eyes towards Communism, preferably Titoism, or something like East Germany, only without the wall, and the massive spying despite it's efficiency on keeping out crime.
slimv29 7 months ago
America, Japan, Germany, Brazil Switzerland = Capitalist
USSR, Cuba (on way to capitalism), half the countries in Africa=Communism
Really? Capitalism existed since the beginning of humans because trade existed! Capitalist= people with capital!
proatmetazine30906 8 months ago
@proatmetazine30906 You could argue that Capitalism has existed forever because Capitalism is not a philosophy that requires adoption, it merely IS, but a true form of Capitalism has never existed. It's always been government control of business, which is VERY different than Capitalism.
hotfudgemoney 7 months ago
@TBow009 I think it would be in your best interest to be sent to a firing squad.
RedMusicSinging 8 months ago
Today, Greeks felt they were being betrayed by their own ruling communist party by allowing capitalist system to happen!
DavBlc7 9 months ago
@DavBlc7 There never was a ruling communist party in Greece.
BLCEK 9 months ago
@DavBlc7 dude, i'm greek. greece has NEVER being socialist state and the communist party has NEVER ruled.
and the video is bullshit.
greece is far away from communism, but i'll keep fighting for socialism and communism for the rest of my life
Kkoperfild 7 months ago
wake up people!
capitalism is absolutely failure!
workergirls 10 months ago 37
@workergirls They won't. They're to stupid and are brainwashed by their media.
Czanga1996 9 months ago 2
@Czanga1996 hey, i'm greek. and you are right!!!
almost all the media here are owned by capitalists.
But the greek communist party will keep fighting, i'll keep fighting.
Kkoperfild 7 months ago
@Kkoperfild That's good. People all over the world should fight against this horrible system.
Czanga1996 7 months ago
@Czanga1996
"too" is what you use in this context, not "to." It pays to be careful with one's spelling, particularly when one is calling others stupid.
ClearOutSamskaras 7 months ago
@workergirls It's not a failure. Their aren't alot of genuine capitalists. The "business" people who are called capitalists are more accurately profiteers. They just want to do anything to make money-destroy people, destroy the environment, anything. If we had gov that was not a prostitute to the business class and actually regulated these profiteers we would have a more capitalist system and far less externalities. Having business staffing much of gov is the failure. Take the FDA as an example.
ClearOutSamskaras 7 months ago
i dont doubt that capitalism is an absulute failure communism is ten times an absolute failure..........
MultiGavros7 6 months ago
@workergirls - Is that why countries that have capitalism have economies that grow, and a greater level of freedom than those that do not?
Is that why in our mostly capitalist world life spans and wealth have increased greatly over the past 200 years?
Is that why world poverty numbers are dropping quickly?
Is that why people in communist states risk their lives to get to capitalist states?
mpc91 4 months ago
@mpc91 3 Billion humans earn less than $2 a day, good to see you only care about the mainly white countries. Capitalism=social darwinism. You really should get out of your fucking country and see how great the imposed "free trade" deals of the west are for the workers of this world. mpc91 Communism is not a planned economy my friend, read some left literature before spouting your euphemistic bullshit. Workers produce material wealth, Workers' democratic control over production is communism.
noprofitmaximierung 4 months ago
@noprofitmaximierung - That's funny, there I cite that poverty statistics for the ENTIRE world, and you think it's about "white countries". If I was as racist as you say, if I wanted mass suffering, then I would, like you, support communism. That's proven to cause suffering, poverty, and genocide
Workers produce wealth, but who plans what wealth? Is it bureaucrats spending someone else's money, or entrepreneurs risking their own?
You should read some actual economics before scoffing at reality
mpc91 4 months ago
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@mpc91 "Democracy is the way to Communism" Karl Marx
"...It should not be removed (the state), it should die!" State and Revolution, Lenin
Americans really need to invest more into literate education... -_-
noprofitmaximierung 4 months ago
@workergirls
Bullshit! Greece is a failure because it's ran by anti-capitalist morons, communists and obsessive socialists. The government needs a bullet through the head, individual freedom is being corroded by you revolting communists.
AtheistTower 3 months ago
@AtheistTower Fool, you want an example of one of the largest Capitalist fails in history? THE USA!
Xinyuan12345 3 months ago
@Xinyuan12345
On the contrary the US has done very well, it maintains a massive GDP, has a higher Human development index and dominates the world despite its mistakes in many measured outcomes.
AtheistTower 2 months ago
@AtheistTower The USA has managed to keep its high GDP, but its growth has been steadily declining over the years... It is already past 15 Trillion dollars in DEBT. It has a negative economy, they owe so much to the rest of the world. I don't know what the USA is doing in Iraq or any of those middle-eastern countries. Wars are what is putting YOUR country into debt. Your government needs a change dude.
Xinyuan12345 2 months ago
@Xinyuan12345
You can thank your friend Obama for most of that debt. We need a libertarian to cut this spending.
AtheistTower 2 months ago
@AtheistTower
What a load of crap: the US has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world. It's socialism that's killing the country - we had to pay for the losses of big companies: that's SOCIALISM not capitalism you complete fucktard.
AtheistTower 3 months ago
@AtheistTower socialism is against large corporations a big privately owned banks, capitalism is not
Senorize 2 months ago
@Senorize
What is wrong with large corporations? You're using technology maintained by a large corporation. It's corporatism that you should be opposing - and yes, capitalists oppose that too, look at Ron Paul for a notable example.
AtheistTower 2 months ago
@workergirls You wake up, Communism has killed more people than ANY other regime in human history.
spongebo13 2 months ago
@workergirls And what is communism then ??
EpicFilip 2 months ago
@imjustagoodsamaritan Study the actual ideology of communism and see how fucking idiotic that comment was.
PesiCool 1 year ago
I am sorry about my highest rated comment; I did not mean that capitalism as an ideology has existed, but rather that its' core principle have been dominant since the dawn of "civilization".
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool Ok thank you for explaining, I thought is this guy serious? But that's a different story, As for our conversation. You do provide a good point but we live in a world where we want to surround ourselves with the people and things we want. And that will never end, as for Paris and the Native Americans, what have they done for the world. France hasn't won a war in the history of the world and the Native Americans didn't make steel over in Pittsburgh when they had the chance.
Gaelheretic4 1 year ago
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@Gaelheretic4 I can't be bothered to reply to your comment, it's just too.... silly! lol
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool Communism may work in Africa where the most successful people there are tribal. The pages of the old teach that the treasures of Heaven are filth of the Earth, the only thing communism needed was capitalism and need I mention how many civilians died in World War 2 that were under Communist rule? Or how many Ukrainians died for that matter? Communism does not value human life. Every form of civilization with Communist principles have had it's own citizens die because of their Government
Gaelheretic4 1 year ago
@Gaelheretic4 Honestly... are you that stupid?! Were you aware that the words "stat"e and "communism" are contradictory in every sense? Were you aware that the red army successfully fought back over 80% of the Nazi German armed forces and saved the world from Nazism? Do you even know the definition of communism?
You are comparing oranges to apples, for fuck sakes you fucking idiot! I cannot be bothered to reply to you anymore. You are so hopelessly stupid that I have lost faith in mankind.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool Yes I was aware that children were involved in the defending of Berlin while the Red Army invaded, that's hardly the Red Army's fault but some casualties were made as with every war there is. You can justify communism at the price of the death of Nazism. A true Marxist would, but you can't deny the fact that in order for the Red Army to have food, the state needed to rob Ukraine of their farms and made the Ukrainians refer to cannibalism. That's why you called me a fucking idiot.
Gaelheretic4 1 year ago
@Gaelheretic4
@PesiCool
Look throughout history in America....Capitalism stopped in the 1970s, 1980s. Communists are very good at sneaking their philosophies and ideologies into a nation - look what happened in Cuba and Yugoslavia! The same thing is happening in Britain, Canada, France, and the United States; be wary as to what laws your government passes. As for China, they are still Communist.
They pretend to be Capitalist to appease those who oppose Communism in the West.
1Venom859 11 months ago
@PesiCool There is no perfect system in the world because man is an imperfect creation, there will always be someone who will be against every form of government, but the trick is for that person to be able to fit a government as he sees fit. Does communism do that? I don't think so, Communism has failed and you refuse to see that, but you know what, your using You tube as a way to prove your point when it was AMERICAN capitalism that made it. You can believe the way you want ,
Gaelheretic4 1 year ago
@Gaelheretic4
@PesiCool
Actually, you're both wrong about a few things! It is not well known, but the Soviet Union was preparing to invade the Nazis and conquer Europe all the way to Spain. Yes, the Nazis were murderers and criminals, but so are Communists. Capitalism has only tried to end Communism and Nazism; sometimes death is present/necessary. The United States has had Communist ideologies since the mid 1970s.....take a look back through your history books. It's not capitalist anymore.
1Venom859 11 months ago
@1Venom859 You may be right but there is a bigger threat right now than Communism and that is Islam. You want to talk infiltration, the word Assassin came from the Arabic language.
Gaelheretic4 11 months ago
@Gaelheretic4
If you are referring to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, you're gravely mistaken. Both have been trained by the CIA and both are tools to be used by the United States to keep countries in line; look at the CIA commander arrested in Pakistan who has been found to be training "terrorists". I don't like Islam, for a lot of reasons (most obvious). But these terrorist groups are used by America, and they helped stage 9/11.
You're last post is quite accurate; I wonder why its part of English..
1Venom859 11 months ago
@1Venom859 Yeah when was this CIA commander arrested in the 90's when Iraq invaded Kuwait? Something is rarely what it seems to be especially with the CIA, Mossad probably has some people in Al Qaeda right now. The CIA and Mossad are the most undercover organizations of the world, there isn't anything that happens under the sun that either doesn't know about. I'm sure the CIA had their reasons to do anything they have already done, your naive to think that terrorists are our puppet.
Gaelheretic4 11 months ago
@Gaelheretic4
Actually, this was a few months ago. Go to this link and read about it. Then, look it up on Google.
abeldanger. net/2011/02/132-drone-attacks-on-pakistan-cia-agent.html
Look back to what they did to Kennedy when he threatened to disband their organization: they assassinated him. I have done my research concerning the CIA and their link to Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. I am far from naive; I recommend you do your own research & stop listening to anything the government says anymore.
1Venom859 11 months ago
@Gaelheretic4
Also, these "terrorists" are CIA trained. The CIA are the terrorists you seek; a CNN news crew found Bin Laden in Saudi Arabia right after 9/11, and he claimed he did not initiate the attacks. Not only that, why are our governments in Afghanistan when Bin Laden was last seen in Saudi Arabia? Why haven't they been able to find Osama Bin Laden when a news crew found him right after 9/11? I used to think the same way you do, but I have opened my eyes to viewing the world differently.
1Venom859 11 months ago
@1Venom859 "The CIA are the terrorists you seek," I have no idea what you've been reading but there is no legitimate proof of what your saying that's credible enough to make a point. I'm not into your theories but I respect it non the less. For you can form that opinion out of facts that you find credible in this great country of ours. There are some things I would rather not know because of how horrible human beings can be, so it was nice debating with you, I'll give you the last word.
Gaelheretic4 11 months ago
@Gaelheretic4
What I mean is that the CIA trained Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Look up the history of Osama Bin Laden; he was trained to train guerrillas against the USSR. He turned on the American government, and soon committed acts of terror on his own, but he was always under CIA orders. A CNN news crew found Bin Laden AFTER 9/11 and interviewed him in Saudi Arabia - the CIA has been looking for someone who is now dead for at least 10-15 years. They could've easily had him.
1Venom859 11 months ago
@Gaelheretic4
Do some research; I'm not typing my comments without research. I've read on numerous websites and added up facts of 9/11 to determine it was staged. Bin Laden told the CNN news crew he didn't attack the American people - that the government had done it.
3 years ago, I would be making the argument, "We're over there to fight for our freedom.". I was wrong.
You have officially gained my respect! I totally agree...human beings can be horrible. Hitler is a good example.
1Venom859 11 months ago
@PesiCool Because I live in a country where you can criticize it all you want but in the end you love it because every time you type on your computer, a little reminder on Evil Capitalism. So you have a nice day and God Bless America
Gaelheretic4 1 year ago
@Gaelheretic4 I can assure you that there are computers in communism too. God screw America. Probably the most hated country in this world, your fucking capitalist system is responsible for the crisis, for poverty in AFrica and several wars.
1stAma 11 months ago
@1stAma You want to try and lead Africa with the same tactic that bankrupted North Korea, or Capitalism for that matter? Be my guest, those people couldn't fall underneath one system even if their life depended on it. Has communist North Korea helped Japan at all with their such generous nature? How about Iran with their Islamic Regime? Or how about Qadhafi? Who helped save millions of people in the Philippines in 1991, April 30th? I have nothing to prove, have a nice day.
Gaelheretic4 11 months ago
@Gaelheretic4 North Korea isn't communist. Just calling yourself a communist doesn't make you one.
So, think again and shut up.
By the way, look at how great capitalism work in Congo, Darfur and other countries.
1stAma 11 months ago
@1stAma Oh jackpot, God gave us eyes to see this world for what it is. This conversation's over, have a nice day.
Gaelheretic4 11 months ago
State Socialism is scary.
SolomonKull 1 year ago
if greece goes to communism then they will be truly fucked...
badsign1980 1 year ago
Greece is already very socialist, and it failed because greeks are immature and they want their government to give give give, then when the bill came and they had to start living their life of luxury they cried. Fuck you greeks other countries had to bail you ungrateful lazy fucks out. I hope you all vote for communism and then follow the paths of every communist society STARVATION.
theoldways11 1 year ago
Capitalism has destruction of its own seeds...Marx
Maxsarkar 1 year ago
@Maxsarkar Marx's model of capitalistic crisis has been thoroughly disproven on multiple levels but has that stopped individuals from blindly stating that it is "fundamental truth"....no.
axe863 1 year ago
Greeks - your communist members of parliament have betrayed you, worker-class by voting for economic measure policy whose ideas was made by recent government. to go ahead. You cannot trust politicians from both sides of your Parliament.
Many cuts will be made in 2011 just as my government in the UK will do the same starting with a 20% increase in VAT on Saturday.
DavBlc7 1 year ago
communism = lol rofl gg
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
No country has ever achieved communism. Totalitarian states branding themselves as 'communist' have been oppressive, but the term communism is so poorly misunderstood and misused
acphenom 1 year ago
fuck communism, anyone that likes communism should read The Black Book of Communism written by FORMER communist. Read Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who was a Soviet solider. Communist have killed more than 100 million people starting in the 1870's Paris communes ending until the 1990's
FUCK COMMUNISM, every country that has taken communism has become a massive shithole filled with massacres and bloodshed. EVERY COUNTRY
tHeWasTeDYouTh 1 year ago
@tHeWasTeDYouTh Those books are shit.
Nothiean 1 year ago
@Nothiean those books are the truth, FACTS even the Russians after the fall of communism released documents from the KGB showing how MILLIONS of people were killed like animals in gulags
fuck communism and fuck you
tHeWasTeDYouTh 1 year ago
@tHeWasTeDYouTh No man, the writers of that book just PICKED RANDOM numbers. Its stupid. Anyway, Capitalism has killed like FIVE times as much as anything. WW1, WW2, Millions who die of poverty each year. So fuck Capitalism, and fuck you.
Nothiean 1 year ago
@tHeWasTeDYouTh so...you can enjoy your capitlistic system....Greece, Ireland have already collapsed...and there are other countries in the queue like Portugal, Spain,Italy and UK....I think that Capitalism has succeed....
Harry13ification 1 year ago 10
@Harry13ification are you crazy, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM is what those countries are
socialism is the problem, the government comes and give you all these benefits but that creates insane debt, when the programs are scaled back because of the debt people think they are entitled the social programs and go crazy
fuck socialism
tHeWasTeDYouTh 1 year ago
@Harry13ification
Good one comrade
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@Harry13ification
Im portuguese and when the debt of my country appeared my country almost got bankruptcy.
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PesiCool 1 year ago 15
@PesiCool Whoever thumbed this comment up is an idiot. Capitalism has existed since the dawn of man? This is why even Marx said that capitalism formed out of a feudal set of relationships. By your very definition, communal living, a system which was in use in primitive times, is equivalent to communism which is ridiculous.
axe863 1 year ago
@axe863 Perhaps not the definition of capitalism, but all the values it has have existed since the beginning and have been fucking things over since the first civilizations.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool Do you seriously believe that people specialized and exchanged based on relative efficiency before individuals existed in a setting communal w/ significantly homogeneous skill sets and collective labor? A primitive form of communism had to have existed before a primitive form of capitalism.
axe863 1 year ago
@axe863 Derp.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool I, as a bloodthirsty capitalist, was being nice. Your statement that primitive capitalism existed since the very beginning is retarded because it assumes that a higher structure of interactions and a higher degree of specialization(trade would occur due to relative efficiencies etc) existed before a simpler structure and a homogeneous skill sets were present. Now do you understand what I was saying, Mr. Derp?
axe863 1 year ago
@axe863 Yes, I have learned a lot over 2 months, including what Marx had to say about this. In fact I had forgotten the comment, but I said DERP because it is defined as "A situation that has been completely mismanaged or mishandled"
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool Marx talked about how capitalism, the modern form, emerged out of feudal technologies. So even Marx disagrees with you. Maybe you should read some Marx before you even talk about this kind of stuff. Primitive form doesn't = Modern form. After you read Marx, read some advanced books on endogenous growth theory and portfolio theory which completely debunks Marxian construct of capitalistic crisis via the law of the falling rate of profit.
axe863 1 year ago
@PesiCool Lets go into the history of Thanksgiving, everyone received the equal amount of food and they all starved equally, the worst of it was starvation. But when the leaders changed course, a certain portion of land was given to the colonists then they had too much food earned by the sweat of their brow. And I just have two question for you, how much do you give to charity and name the communist country that worked?
Gaelheretic4 1 year ago
@Gaelheretic4 That's just pathetic... we already have an overabundance in food production (most of it is wasted on useless stuff, such as throwing perfectly fine fish back to the sea, food not meeting factory standards (most commonly in appearance) and food rotting on the store shelves), although hundreds of billions of tons of it are wasted every year, yet 36.000 people die everyday due to a lack of basic necessities (primarily food).
I cannot name a communist state by your standards because
PesiCool 1 year ago
@Gaelheretic4 Communism by definition is a stateless ideology that promotes direct democracy in all stages of society and egalitarianism. It is very hard for such a society to exist because of the influences of this vast insanely corrupt world we have today. I can mention communes that have had over 50 thousand people ini China in the 20th century (which blossomed with success), the whole structure of the societies that millions of native Americans belonged to, the Paris commune and more.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@Gaelheretic4 Societies that implement communist principles do not have to be "countries" (communism =/= state) and they have existed throughout history in different shapes and sizes, most of them with huge successes if you disregard exterior influences, such as imperialism, corporations, foreign ownership claims etc. etc. etc.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@PesiCool not since the dawn of mankind. modern capitalism is a relatively recent realization.
icygood101 1 year ago
@PesiCool LOL. Capitalism HAS NOT existed since the dawn of man kind you stupid fuck. Dawn of mankind... Do you even know when that was? Achieved proper communism? That's because it requires people to submit their natural urges to the whims of the mob. You're fucking stupid. Morality is independent of government, and Capitalism does NOT include a set of morals. If you think we've ever been Capitalist you're dumb. Read "The Errors of Socialism".
hotfudgemoney 7 months ago
Communism sounds like fun times.I hate owning my house.
foodstamp29 1 year ago
greedy welfare babies greeks have been on retirement since 200BC
ajgolfer1 1 year ago
Epanastasi TWRA
Turin1987 1 year ago
I blame Nikos Zachariadis for capitulating back in the 40's.
jumpnjza2 1 year ago
working class of greece, we r with u !!!! (A)
STOPG20 1 year ago
Yes turn to communism, because your not dependent enough on the state.
blitzkrieg234 1 year ago
@blitzkrieg234
originally communism is about abolishing the state, not strengthen him.
hanspanzer 1 year ago
Greece is such a loser state. Completely un-self sufficient just becoming more coercive and childish.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
they need an FDR type character to save them from poverty AND from the evils of communist revolution and the resulting police state of such a system
chrispollock 1 year ago
You gave your economic sovereignty to your greatest enemy (Germany),your budget deficit is the highest in Europe, you spent bucket loads on a train system that pulls empty carriages, you want to retire at 55, your public servants all take bribes (fakilaki) then egged on by hooded anarchists you burn 3 innocent people alive in a bank during a riot. You all chain-smoke, are fat and seem to all talk at once. You now want to turn this shambles over to the Marxists. What's wrong with you people?
chimetrooper 1 year ago
This was really awesome:-)
Fuck greek gov
(A) and respect from Denmark:-)
SuperAcab666 1 year ago
@SuperAcab666 Ah Denmark! Where it has been legal to fuck animals since 1931 as long as you don't hurt the animal! See what socialism can lead to?
chimetrooper 1 year ago
@chimetrooper We have not socialism in Denmark, we have a fucking neo-liberal gov:-(
And for that animal thing, I dont fucking support shit like that
SuperAcab666 1 year ago
@SuperAcab666 I'm telling you the truth about the animals, check for yourself. Neo liberalgovernment? In Denmark? You still have your generous pension system don't you? Just let me know, how much is a cheap bottle of scotch. Last time I checked it was 70 Euros. Doesn't sound like the neo libs have overun Denmark just yet!
chimetrooper 1 year ago
@chimetrooper Perverts fucks animals all over the world even in Australia.
I´ll recomment you to read about Denmark, then you´ll find out we have a fucked up gov, and luckily we dont have fucking euro yet. A cheap bottle of Scotch is a round 90 DKK. Cheers and peace:-)
SuperAcab666 1 year ago
@SuperAcab666 great that you missed the euro. A close call! Peace and the best of luck to you and beautiful Denmark.
chimetrooper 1 year ago