#27 First Attempt at Cheap HHO On Demand Water Heater

[douglundy]

you clearly need lots more gas, a bigger generator or a holding system..Producer gas goes back to the prewar days. time to reinvent the wheel..

[1981dasimpson]

if you pumped the water in the bucket heated to 72 back thru the pipe to be heated again you should get more heat

[fuelban]

Nice video, I too always start at the free, cheap end of a project, you learn so much more, Fluid dynamics, !, "Heat exchange" Flow rate, Your flow will in straight linier Pipe, move faster in the centre, and slower at the walls, Giving poor heat exchange from flame to fluid, what to consider is: to put a coil “In to” the pipe Like a helix coil, it forces wall clinging fluid into the central flow, & so carrying the heat too, it’s a cheap heat exchanger.( Fluid Mixer).

Thom in Scotland.

[hydrogastech]

Should say kiln liner, not lion.

[hydrogastech]

Some pretty crazy comments on here. Take a solid core steel rod about 10 in long, place ur torches on each end of rod. Spiral ur copper around the rod keeping closes, but not touching. Make tight twist so u get as many revolutions as possible. Use thick bailing wire to secure and keep copper from touching rod. Now wrap with a lion liner wool and watch the difference. You will be surprised. Good luck.

[heycolslaw]

Check out Denny Kline's conductivityTest and you will find the hho flame adjusts itself to the task . I suggest you try ceramic. Kudos!

[eloid777]

have you tryed this burning salt water to make more hho

youtube.com/watch?v=e8utkoK2Dh­A&feature=related

[eloid777]

why dont you make a double wall contain ie buck with a bucket, fill the inner

[eloid777]

double wall will contain your water, the inner bucket will hold you all your hho torch equipment. make or buy a cheep sprinkle that rotates 360 degree, have the sprinkle retro fitted with hho torch heads, feed hho into it

size the buckets size the for the sprinkler, note the double wall of water should be thin and insulated....your double wall container will have in and out port make, add 2-3 sprinkler to the container asneed for noe heet output. eloid was the fist to invent this concept!!!

[DutchUnited71]

Nice one man. Check this one

HHO Epoch Oxy Hydrogen Generator Cooking 1

[hydroxmobile]

Try to use ceramic to wrap around the copper tube. You will get better results!

[MrBlue609]

wow good job man. My only suggestion would be to try a rocket stove mass heater design type. This may help hold heat. But I think thats what you were going for with your crimped copper tubing. How did that work? Did it increase your heat?

[overunitydotcom]

What came out of the last experiment, where you wrapped the copper

wire around the copper tube ?

Did it heat more ?

Well done and good luck with your experiments.

Regards, Stefan.

[hhoball]

@overunitydotcom It was only fractionally better than the others. I have been working on tons of stuff and one of them is the next version of a water heater. When i finish that and make a video, i will include the results of that last one you saw.

Lots to come!

[dominicboisvert]

can we convert a propane or a natural gas appliance and water heater to hho

p.s very good videos thank. step by step for a polution free energy

[hhoball]

@dominicboisvert - There are some usefull parts on both but the problem is, the amount of holes which the gas comes out of. Too many holes causes flashbacks. Propaine holes are much smaller and better suited for HHO.

Stay Safe.

[mphandel]

Do you have a vid on the holding tank version,,,,,I'd like to make one of those myself.

And can that unit be idled somehow to heat the surounding home air on gravity basis?

[hhoball]

@mphandel The holding tank version will be ready for video in about a month.

I have other better ideas for ondemand water heaters which i am working on now. Over the summer i will have lots of usefull videos that combine solar and hydroxy.

Stay Safe!

[IST814]

that is the coolest hho heater on demand i have ever seen !

well done .. i did wonder if the stainless would work aswell

IST

[MrHerrera30]

oil holds heat better .... or you can use very salted water

[MrHerrera30]

you need to put the like in oil

an heat the oil

[jeannacav]

It's funny. You can get the heat to boil water and cook noodles but not get the water in the pipe hotter than 72.

Perhaps you need a 'pot' of water to heat hot enough to cook noodles, then if you run the water filled copper pipe through the 'pot' of noodle-hot-water, the water in the pipe will get very hot?

(Like the old oil fired furnace tankless hot water heater.)

I enjoy following your research...thanks for sharing it.

[dermotwhelan100]

Great job. Denny Kline shows in his video that the gas in his water welder seems to adapt its temperature to the material being welded.Have you tried heating a piece of water pipe while keeping the copper pipe within the water pipe to raise the temp by heat transfer?

[jdmforyou]

thay dont use copper

[X2YeZCAMCNC]

if you heat the copper pipe it is a good heat conductor and will immediately dissipate the heat back into the room

[PYROYORKDRAGON]

Very nice experimentation, Have you tried using a 120mm copper radiator which you can use on a PC water cooling system....As the flames hits the fins the heat will spread through the radiator.

[hhoball]

@PYROYORKDRAGON

I agree copper radiator would be perfect. I don't want ot buy one so i am waiting til i come across a used one. Right now i only have aluminum rads to play with but when i get a copper one i will try it and post a video right away.

Stay Safe.

[PYROYORKDRAGON]

You could try bending the copper pipe in a "s" shape and fix a sheet of copper to the pipe and heat the sheet of copper.

[jjenson2006]

The best way to accomplish this is to have a valve that recirculates the water back through the heating elements until the water reaches the target temperature; if you do this right, it should take 10 - 20 seconds before you have hot water coming out. Also note that the amount of hot water delivered at one time will be limited by the length of your hose.

I think you'd do better wrapping a nichrome wire around the pipe instead and running a high current through it.

[thinkofwhy]

Must put flame at very tip of water output, just before it comes out. That way no waste of heat.

And use a parallel three flame setup, around water pipe, so the long sides of the flames act on the water pipe, inside an insulated jacket.

[hhoball]

@thinkofwhy

I like your second idea.

Thanks!

[water2gashawaii]

use the torch to boil oil, put coil in the oil for better heat transfer

[hhoball]

@water2gashawaii

Thats where i think this will end up, but, its still interesting to see how much transfer i can get with a crude setup without oil.

[dreamyear]

mix air with hho...hho can melt down metal

[hhoball]

@dreamyear i have found with my cooking experiments that as long as there is a liquid (water), within the metal you are heating, it is impossible to melt the metal. The water will just absorbe the heat. I have a bubbler which i made to add ambiant air to hho if i need it. I have found it lowers the flame temp too much for some applicaitons.

[NOBOX7]

@hhoball hey jeff i have an idea for u , it will iliminate alot of heat soarce losses

, remember that unlike most gases hho can burn in confined spaces that would not allow combustion of other gases. u can take advantage of this by using a convection type tower, i would like to send u a drawing,

[llewgnal]

Maybe if you couyld find a piece of tungstun wire to replace the copper wire with, I've read that the hho flame idles at aprox. 400 deg F, until it touches a surface then goes to the melting temp of that metal ??? Tungston should raise the out put temp... Gary

[hhoball]

@llewgnal

I like your idea. I agree. Its not the idle flame that gives lots of heat, it is the interaction with metals which raises the temp. I have evaporated a tungsten rod with my torch and that takes huge amounts of heat. I will use your idea in the next version. Thanks.

[jdcmusicman]

Nice experimentation man ...I have played with similar ways to heat water ,and I love hho but I have found I get way better results with just using the sun..Parabolic dishes are extremely good for heating water to around 120- 180 easily the only problem with those is sun tracking....I am working on a project right now that is going to be a Solar HHO assist Oven/ water heater/ air heater..All in one combo box I guess you could say.

[jdcmusicman]

I been wanting to get my hands on one of those washer motors like that to for some electrical experiments to .....SOme good stuff man keep it coming

[hhoball]

@jdcmusicman

I've been doing lots of solar stuff in the last 6 months too. The sun is amazing. Even in the coldest winter temperatures up here, we can bring water to a boil. Solar ovens go to 300degrese. Solar collectors with glycol work well for heating homes.

I also want to backup solar with HHO. Thats why i wanted an on demand type system, so i can see how much boost i can add to the water at a reasonable cost.

I'll be watchen for your project.

Stay Safe.

[hhoforvolts]

Use a standard water heater as a container and add a recirulator pump back to your heater. Since you don't use hot water at night, you should have a lot of warm-hot water by morning.