@Idazmi7 kill all of them with the force as soon as they go on screen to announce "we are the borg resistance is futile" and all that arrogant crap they do
@dedseason He killed a seriously old jedi, and a rebel soldier, total. The Jedi LET VADER KILL HIM. So, as I said: what's Vader gonna do? "Alter the deal?"
The Borg don't make deals. They wipe out billions in moments.
Star Destroyers have 60 turbo-"lasers", which are NOT rapid-fire. (SW:ANH) They carry 72 sublight fighters, and 5000 troops. Star Destroyers are not ray-shielded, only Star Dreadnaughts. They are made of Durasteel, which is only 1/3 neutronium, (SW:ACS) not enough to deflect phasers. They can bombard localized planetary targets, but prefer invasion.
The smallest Star Trek ships are therfore equivalent to Star Dreadnaughts.
@daniellisnermeicker Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
The enterprise has no chance against against the Death Star. The Death Star's defenses were designed around a capital-ship assault. And given the thousands of tie fighters on board, the enterprise would be destroyed quickly.
@nitestryker7 Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
@Idazmi7 but there is no way the Enterprise can move around quickly enough in space, given its mass, to avoid blasts from the superlaser of the death star. If anything, the shields would be taken down.
@nitestryker7 HA! I guess you never saw any of The Original Series! The Enterprise combat speed is warp 4, as per "the Ultimate Computer". That's 507 times the speed of light, as per the Star Trek series bible, which is all of the Original Series Canon in one book. (And the only one that does not contradict it's own show)
@pumpkin545 You can shut the hell up now, if you dont like it no one forces you to watch it, if you are THAT traumatized by it, then by all means go HURL yourself off a bridge for humanity's sake ! Your problem will be solved then !
Total witzig Picard gegen Darth Vader und den Imperator die enterprise verpisst sich einfach bei der super rakete. Denoch witzig Star trek gegen star wars anschauen!!!!!!1
The main blast from the Death Star is not multi-directional. All the Enterprise had to do was move out of the way and keep firing. Quantum Torpedoes would do the job nicely to disable the dish the Death Star's main weapon fires from.
It would be cool if the empire pursued the federation ship to their universe with the entire imperial navy. I don't think kirk could think/talk his was out of that one.
The Eldar would also most likely tell the Empire what they know about what the Necrons can do, and what they used to be capable of, in spite of their secrecy, the Eldar would reveal this knowledge because the Empire are the only ones with enough sense to listen and enough power to put to use, since the Eldar defeated the Necrons before, it stands to reason that the Empire can as well, Even though the Eldar were far more powerful back then.
As good as the firepower and as decent the Armour in 40k is, their shields are notoriously weak, and besides, after a week or month of fighting the Imperium of Man, the Empire would have an analogue for everything the IoM have that they don't have already.
however it's more likely the Empire would make alliances with the Tau or Eldar, get a hold of some of their technology, specifically the Tau, then run it through their industry until they have smaller, more efficient variants of tau weaponry.
Much like how the Allies in world War 2 supplied the Americans with Radar, and the Industrial capacity of America allowed them to miniaturize Radar and put it on ships and even planes, something the Axis powers, especially Japan couldn't do (the Japanese had to rely on scout/spy planes in naval warfare, as they had no Radar on their ships)
@Perion I don't see why either the Tau or the Eldar would align themselves with the Empire. I can't see any common interests, except the Necrons, and that's not enough for either the Tau or the Eldar to overlook the massive, massive differences. The Empire aren't exactly out for the greater good, or to help find ancient Eldar relics...
The Galactic Empire would take quite a few casualties against Necron forces, but compared to a war against the Imperium of Man, they would be few.
The Galactic Empire are most at home in Space combat, (at least until they come out with their own mass produced Titan equivalents at which point they are down and all around)
Also, the Nightmare Shroud won't work either for the same reason the Sepulcher won't work, Ysalamiri and/or lack of Warp Presence.
And also the Dark Troopers can easily stand up to Necron Warriors or Space Marines etc, especially Phase 1s vs Necron boarders.Necrons are weak in Hand to hand, Phase 1s are extremely deadly in close quarters (it's what they were designed for)
That and the internal security systems would continuously be an uphill battle, with the other ISDs in the fleet blowing the Tombships apart, they won't be able to get reinforcements for long.
I wonder what an Ion blaster would do to a Necron, hmm.
Ultimately, boarding the star destroyers would be pretty simple with the lords and VoD, just teleport back and forth with reinforcements. With the 'cron's WBB and gauss weapons, they'd just keep getting back up, even if the storm troopers werelucky enough to take any down, and the storm trooper's armour would just be obliterated, along with the storm trooper inside.
Just to add, Necron ships have faster than light travel, so they'd be able to launch assaults on the Empire's planets. Tombships also have sepluchures, devices that literally drive the enemy crew insane. A single tombship could probably hold its own against an ISD, they can take a lot of punishment, and are nearly always immensely heavily armed.
The Empire and Imperium of Man are actually quite similar overall tech and scale wise, The Stormtrooper corps are essentially an entire army of Kasrkin and have similar numbers to the Imperial Guard.
The Empire has several distinct advantages the Imperium quite simply cannot overcome.
1. Imperium of man cannot leave their galaxy, or get too far away from earth, otherwise they lose contact with the beacon and will be Lost in the Warp.
2. Imperium of Man is on a technological downward spiral, clutching fervently to the technology they can still use and have a great many devices that cannot be replaced if destroyed, Innovations and such is frowned upon by the Inquisition, in their efforts to stamp out all free thought and imagination. the Empire by contrast is constantly improving itself, making more and more sophisticated weapons and vehicles.
3. The Imperium takes decades to construct their ships and war machines, while the speed of Construction the Death Star 2 had gives a terrifying implication of the industrial might of the Galactic Empire.
4. the further away from Terra, the slower and more dangerous Warp travel becomes, Hyperdrive is only limited by the thoroughness of starcharts and long range sensors.
5. Communications between worlds in the Imperium is just as dangerous and only slightly faster than actual travel, the Empire can communicate safely and reliably in real time from across the galaxy.
6. Psykers of the Imperium, while powerful, may very well suffer from the same deleterious effects of being in proximity with Ysalamiri, as a result Ysalamiri would create "Pariah Fields" also, since the Imperials have no Warp presence, they would be much like the Tau, or even Pariahs themselves.
Innovation and Industrial Capacity is the Galactic Empire's largest advantage against the Imperium of Man, anything the Imperium has that the Empire has no analogue to (such as Titans and Space Marines) the Empire can whip up designs and move to mass production within a week, then have them standard issue along the entire Military in about a month.
for Space Marines however, the best counter would be Dark Troopers, or perhaps an elite cyborg DARC Trooper variant.
@Perion Equally, there are far more hurdles for the Empire to overcome. Storm Troopers may be about on par with the IG, but no single unit in SW could stand up to the Adaptes Astartes. The Empire is pretty much limited to explosives and lasers, whereas the Imperium has just about every weapon for every situation. ATAT? Multimelta it. Death Star? Exterminatus. Super Star Destroyer? Emperor Class Battleship. It's not entirely true that...
"Death Star? Exterminatus" you can try, but if this is a completed DS2 we're talking about, than nothing short of Cyclonic Torpedoes are going to even tickle it's shields.
Emperor class Battleship isn't actually as powerful as an SSD, it's considerably less in fact.
the Empire has anoher advantage in that they can go on the offensive whenever they want, only defending world's that they have conquered, they don't have to protect their own galaxy since the Imperium could never reach them there.
... the Imperium doesn't improve itself, and produce equipment. Vehicles such as Land Raiders, Predators, Thunderhawks, etc, are all produced in manufactoriums. They're also adapted and changed, for example, the Baal Predator. Even though the Imperium can produce things quicker and in larger numbers, what they produce is massively inferior to the Imperium, even though they're still clinging on to ancient equipment from the
Golden age of Technology. Ultimately, the Imperium has faced, and defeated, things that also put the Empire to shame. Tyranid Hive Fleets? Chaos Deamons? Necron Tomb Worlds? Ork WAAAAGHs? The Empire was brought to its knees by a rebellion, using ships that were stolen from them in the first place. You also have to remember how tactically useless the Empire is. They were defeated by ewoks... None of them seem to've heard of "aiming", and most of their things either have really obvious...
weak spots, or only take a few hits to put down, anyway.
The Imperium are 100% devoted to the Emperor, with an unshakable religious conviction. They're adaptable and flexible (A tactical squad can perform almost any role on the battlefield.), they've got better equipment, better training and the same fervor for the Empror that Islamic suicide bombers have for Allah (Only they're more practical with it.) sure, they have some flaws, but their advantages far, far outweigh them.
Kasrkin Armour has very obvious weakspots as well, as does Astartes Armour, their vehicles on the other hand do not (closest thing to that are the AT-ATs.)
As for the rest of that, I've played Warhammer 40,000 since 2nd edition, mostly As space marines until the new Cadians came out In 4th edition, which I used to take out a Nid army, something my Nid using friend didn't even think was possible.
Stormtooper armour seems purely for show, though, it doesn't actually seem to stop anything. Yeah, all armour has gaps in it, but power armour's gaps are still moderately enforced. As for tactical dreadnought armour, or termies, well... i don't think the empire even has any small arms that could penetrate it.
More likely the Eldar and Tau would side with the Empire, remember this is 40, filled with black on grey morality, compared to the Imperium of Man the Galactic Empire is a paragon of Morality, Sanity and Reason.
Stormtrooper armour plating is largely immune to bullets, a Jedi can hurl a metal spear with enough force to pick up a stormtrooper and send him hurling back 10 feet into a wall, and only knock him unconscious and barely crack the armour, a similar hit to the head would tear it off though, also the body glove is relatively vulnerable, in 40k rules terms I'd put it at a 4+ save.
A T-21 would get through a Terminator without too much difficulty, and an E-web would have no problem whatsoever.
the reason why the ewok rocks were hurting the Trooper's was because of their necks, like how a football player can suffer serious neck injury from a hard collision with his head.
All Ewok related kills against troopers were from shots to the body glove, and Ewoks are like Ratling/Gretchin with the strength of a Space Marine, (or Wookiee, remember how they were able to take Chewie's weapon away and were going to EAT him.)
Plasma guns, meltaguns, flamers and psycannons aren't bullets, though, and the weapons in the Imperium that do use bullets are explosive. Only a few units use normal bullets, such as vindacare assassins and scouts, but their sniper rifles are designed to be armour penetrating. Vs the Imperium's weapons... 5+.
I'd put both of those weapons just above a lasgun in terms of power, their advantage is rate of fire. They might knock a termie back, but they wouldn't penetrate the armour.
Empire wins hands down, be more of a challenge to take down the Imperium tbh.
the reason for this is that the majority of the Necrons are asleep, and there is no need for conquest, only extermination, so ground combat isn't really all that important. A Base Delta Zero here (tomb worlds are lifeless anyway), a Galaxy
Gun shot there (for the same reason), sweeping across the galaxy and the Necrons are toast.
@Perion There are still loads of tombworlds, though. Necrons are constantly awakening all over the galaxy, ground combat would play a huge part, because that's where the majority of Necron forces are. Even so, a pylon could easily take down a ISD, and a few of them could easily take down an SSD.
Not to mention the C'Tan. Not just the C'Tan in their corporeal, necrodermis, bodies, but as they are outside of them.
"ground combat would play a huge part, because that's where the majority of Necron forces are."
not really, because they aren't trying to take the world from them, they are trying to exterminate them, an ISD can perform the Galactic Empire's equivilent of an Exterminatus, reducing the entire surface of a planet to molten slag under an hour.
Galaxy gun just blows the planet up.
As for the C'Tan outside of their Necrodermis, they aren't capable of doing anything like that again yet,
@Perion A Tombship must be at least a third the size of a ISD. It wouldn't take much for a to board it, even if they had to land on top and cut their way through the hull with their gauss weapons, or warscythes. The Deciever or the Nightbringer could most likely wipe out a ISD by itself, too.
Hard part would be when the other ISDs fire at said Tombship, as well as the rest of the firepower on the thing, if the Stats of a Tombship in Battlefleet Gothic are any indication, a decent sized Imperial fleet wouldn't have much trouble taking down a Necron one, remember Imperial shields are vastly more powerful than Imperium ones.
@Perion One good gauss blast to the shield generators, though, and they're fried. They're not exactly difficult to hit, or difficult to spot. If a gauss flayer can destroy a Land Raider in a few shots, then the Gauss weapons on tombships shouldn't have much difficulty taking the shield generators down.
Not to mention the monoliths coming from the surface and from the tombships, also firing gauss flux arcs and particle whips. Land a couple of them on the ISD, start transporting in warriors...
...destroyers, H.destroyers, immortals, etc, then the ISD would fall pretty quickly. Storm troopers are simply no match for warriors. Scarabs would eat away at the ships' systems from the inside, causing the Empire all kinds of chaos.
That's excluding the C'Tan.The Deceiver could quite easily trick the Empire's ships into shooting at each other.
Not that they'd even need to go that far. A load of Lords with Veil of Darkness could transport enough 'crons into the Imperial ships to destroy it easily enough, without even having to worry about the shields.
"One good gauss blast to the shield generators, though, and they're fried. They're not exactly difficult to hit, or difficult to spot."
Sorry that wouldn't work, because the Shield generators are located deep inside the ISD, you seem to be following the common misconception that those globes on the top of the bridge tower are the Shield Generators, they aren't, they are Sensors, and well protected by the shields.
@Perion Even so, the shield won't protect from the Veil of Darkness.
Three Tombships, each with a Lord, each with VoD can transport themselves and one squad into the ISD. That's potentially 60 warriors in just one go, there'd be nothing stopping the Lords from making shuttle journeys with reinforcements, either. It wouldn't be long until the whole ship is swarming with warriors, the shields wouldn't even need to come down. All the while the crew inside the ISD is going insane...
Sepulchure wouldn't work, all it is is a Pariah field generator that makes an area extremely unsettling to creatures with a Warp Presence, since the humans in the GE don't have a warp presence, they would be unaffected.
even if they had another World Engine, and were awake and active enough to use one, it wouldn't get far before the Galaxy Gun blew it up.
any evidence of the Veil of Darkness used in ship boarding? also it would only be able to bring in 10 Immortals tops, not 60 Warriors.
There's also no way they can kill the crew/destroy the ISD before it can blast the Tombships to pieces, on top of that would be the fact that there's no guarantee that GE shields won't protect them from the Veil of Darkness, and the Veil's range is unknown.
Also, at every engagement, the GE would vastly outnumber the Necrons, the Necrons are waking up very slowly, remember in 40k things happen over periods of centuries, the GE would be able to ensure they don't wake up.
Not only that, but the Necrons cannot reproduce, Period, the warriors and Immortals they have, awake or asleep, are all they got, the only things that can be replaced are the C'Tan necrodermis bodies and the Pariahs, everything else is gone for good if destroyed.
closest thing they can get to reinforcements is more awakened 'crons, and the GE would make damn sure that doesn't happen.
@Perion It's unlikely that it would, it's teleportation, they disappear somewhere and instantly appear somewhere else, wookipedia says nothing about the shields being able to deflect anything like teleportation. Lasers, objects, radiation... they don't have teleportation in SW, so there's nothing to suggest that their shields would block it, or any reason for the Empire to've developed shields that could block teleportation.
They may be waking up slowly, but as more of them wake up, more of their ancient technology is revealed. We may not've even seen a quarter of what they're capable of, and there could potentially be millions of tombworlds. Even the necrons they "kill" will most likely just self repair. Their weapons are extremely effective, their ships are extremely durable, and quite likely also capable of self-repair, they've got the C'tan, the ability to teleport, the list goes on.
If by self repair you are referring to "we'll be back" that has limitations, even on table top, it doesn't always work and if they get hit hard enough they'll be disintegrated or so horribly mangled they don't even get to make such a save (such as if hit by a power weapon or an instant kill weapon, but even kills from a lasgun can potentially take down a Necron permanently)
there is no evidence that there is even potentially millions of Tombworlds
@Perion And what weapons would a storm trooper have that would do that? Even Space Marines need a Strength 8+ weapon, or insta-kill, to do that. Nothing the Empire hasd would translate to S8+. And I'm pretty sure they don't even have close combat weapons, let alone power weapons. Every time a storm trooper kills a warrior, it stands a 50% chance of getting back up.
Just because the shields were never designed to do something doesn't necicarily mean they cannot do it, it all depends on the mechanism behind the teleporter.
it's unlikely the Warp, since the Necrons aren't very fond of it, so it's more likely to be something more akin to subspace, however, since Imperial shields extend into subspace, if it does use Subspace than the shields will block it.
there is no reason to assume the shields would, but there isn't any to suggest they wouldn't.
@Perion Then there's no reason to assume the Galaxy Gun would penetrate the World Engine's shields. One World Engine took out 1/3rd of the imperial Navy, and was only destroyed after wiping out an entire chapter, by ramming a ship into it. NOTHING else apart from that could get through its shields.
"by ramming a ship into it." if ramming a ship like a chapter's battle barge will break through the shields, than the galaxy gun will without a doubt.
Planetary shields don't exist in 40k, but they do in Star Wars, and the Galaxy gun was designed to penetrate them, Ramming a ship full force into the planetary shields of a world won't even dent them, and that's from an Executor class ship, which is a great deal more powerful than any vessel in 40k.
@Perion It's closer to a Nightmare Shroud. The Pariah Field only affects psykers, the Sepulchure affects all living things. That includes the crew on ISDs.
The Galaxy Gun breaks down molecules, not unlike gauss weapons, but the World Engine's shields aren't made of molecules to break down. It'd be pretty ineffective, seeing as how the shield would block any projectiles.
If the ship's in range, there's nothing to suggest that it can't be used for ship boarding. Also, I said 3 tombships, not 1.
Pariahs affect everyone who are connected to the warp, but psykers are affected the most because they are the most connected.
ISD crewmen won't be affected because they aren't connected at all.
Galaxy gun is fully capable of destroying shielded targets, from ships to planets, so it must Have another stage that cracks through the shields first, then deploys the second stage which does the molecular mess ups.
3 Tombships for 1 ISD? have fun while the other ISDs blow the Tombships apart.
@Perion At least, they wouldn't be affected if we were talking about Pariahs. I don't even use Pariahs in my army list. Sepulchures cause the enemy crew to feel uneasy, and it breaks down the chain of command. It mentions nothing about the warp at all.
You seem so certain that the ISD could take a tombship, but you're forgetting that tombships are HEAVILY defended, and can easily take down an Imperial Navy battleship.
If we're talking about a Cairn, then yes, Imperial Navy Battleships have impressive Firepower per salvo, but have a rather low rate of fire, not only that, but their own shields will go down after only a salvo or two from a ship of similar armament.
Star Destroyers on the other hand have much higher rates of fire, and have shields capable of withstanding a full half hour from a ship similarly armed.
combine that with the GE's ability to create thousands of Star Destroyers in a matter of days.
based on what? remember an ISD is easily a match for a Gothic class Cruiser in individual shot firepower, has a faster rate of fire, and has far stronger shields.
Galaxy gun can park itself say, 100,000 lightyears outside the galaxy, and fire it's hyperspacial torpedoes to anywhere in the galaxy, it can dial the firepower to such precision as to destroy anything from a single building, city, orbiting ship, to the entire planet.
Tyranids might be a bit trickier, but the Empire can always stay a step ahead of them and whittle them down to nothing, possibly making heavy use of battle droids (no not the CIS ones, the SD9 and SD10 kind) and such to minimize the risk of the Tyranids using their Biomass. Galactic Empire isn't unacustomed to dealing with bioships and devourer races etc, such as the Yuuzhan Vong and the Ssi-ruuk.
E-11s would be under that category, but the T-21s are very powerful, easily on Par with a Heavy bolter, an E-Web is like an Autocannon with a burst cannon rate of fire.
4+ would be the base save
Plasma Guns and Melta Guns are like Imperial Disruptors, high powered but short range and/or unreliable, also the Empire have the Stouker Concussion Rifle, easily on par with a Plasma gun..
Flame throwers aren't unheardof in the Galactic Empire, and Psycannons are only used by the Grey Knights.
nothing but misconceptions here, Stormtroopers are excelent shots in spite of what many people think, note on the Death Star and they were missing on purpose,
on Endor they were winning until han told them to open their doors.
Most importantly the entire battle of Endor wouldn't have happened at all if Palpatine wasn't so obsessed with turning luke to the Dark Side, THAT is what caused the Empire to be destroyed.
Missing on purpose and getting the shots as close as they did Is insanely hard to do,
Also if you recall they secured a homing beacon on the Falcon, so why would they want the crew dead?
On cloud city they had disabled the hyperdrive and were going to pick them all up at once, rather than risk killing or capturing only a few of them, though R2 being the rather impressive astromech it is, fixed said drive.
"what they produce is massively inferior to the Imperium"
The only Ground vehicles the Galactic Empire has no analogues to (yet) are some of the Baneblade variants and the Titans, even then they do have a counter to the Baneblade itself, the Juggernaut.
Everything else they can counter, Leman Russ? they have the Firehawke or the 2M repulsortank, Vulture and Valkarie? they have the LAAT, Baal Predator? they have the IFT.
Adeptus Astartes are, at best, Special Forces, they strike hard and fast but cannot maintain a war on their own, they only number roughly 1,000,000 in total, spread across chapters of no more than 1,000 strong.
While the Astartes are used to handling enemies with superior numbers, the GE is a completely different beast
another factor is that the Industrial Capacity for troops, the Empire can replenish their forces FAR more easily than the IOM, the IOM would go down putting up a helluva fight.
@Perion They've still got the IG and the Sisters of Battle backing them up, though. The IG are masters of planetary defense, and even they have better equipment. For example, their armour actually works (Although whether or not the standard lasgun is as good as an Empire laser remains open.), titans, baneblades/shadowswords, basilisks, valkyries, leman russes. They may not be able to reproduce and recruit as fast as the empire, but once they're dug in to a planet, they're not moving.
Stormtrooper armour is on par with Karskin armour, just to let you know, while depending on the fluff E-11s are either equal to lasguns or Tau Pulse rifles, so the vary quite wildly.
"they're not moving."
Oh they are but it's gonna take allot of work, and once again the only things on that list that would give the Galactic Empire trouble are the Shadowswords and Titans, and even then, once again Innovation, in about a Month the Empire will be using their own, stronger Titans in vast numbers.
they always say that star trek would lose to star wars but the federation aint the only race in star trek the romulans borg and loads of other extremely powerfull races with ships the size of a planet its not just the federation
@doctorwhodidapoo really... name 1 race that has ships the size of planets. Also in a ST vs SW conflict... there's no indication that the ST races would fight together. The only times they have fought together is in extreme and unusual circumstances. Not to mentiont that SW's incredible industiral capacity makes them more likely to win along with their superior speed advantage.
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I'm just saying that if you have all this tech, why not place CIC deep inside the ship. considering the ranges in space, windows aren't really necessary.
Trek Ranges in pitched battles, even 1 on 1 fights, routinely get to within a ships length of each other, long range engagements in trek are actually quite rare.
I'd hardly call needing the entire Rebel fleet pounding mercilessly on the Executor for like half an hour straight then getting lucky when it doesn't come out of it's dive towards the death Star "easily taken out"
When the Executor smashed into the Death Star, was that because of a temporary loss of control and the gravity of the Death Star or what, because i can´t imagine a single A-wing being the cause of its demise.
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yes it was, it also lost the shields due to the Mon Calamari fleet, not due to the A-wings strafing the tower which occurred as the shields were collapsing and allowed them to destroy one of the long range com/scan globes.
Well the Awing itself didn't destroy it, it only crippled it long enough for it to be consumed by the gravity of the Deathstar, had they been further out Auxiliary control could have taken over in as little as 30 seconds and the SSD could have continued the fight.
The Awing only took out the main control deck, resulting in a temporary, but total loss of control, as that happened, the SSD was sucked into the gravity well of the DeathStar before Auxiliary control could take over. Thus the end of the Executor.
lol u star wars boys have no idea cuz ur so blind on how much more advanced star trek technology is. Fuck i mean laser based weaponry alone is considered obsolete by the 22nd century far before picard or even kirks time and it couldnt even penetrate navigational shields. And lets not forget other 24th century tech and other races. I wud luv to see the empire and rebellion combined try to take on the Borg Collective. And the reman warship scimitar wud single handedly destroy star wars universe
oh look, another one who goes by the whole "no lasers fallacy" like I haven't heard that same argument 50 bajilion times.
now lets see if this is just willful ignorance or an honest mistake.
you see, the Federation are only used to seeing Lasers in the Megajoule and Kilojoule range, anything in the gigajoule or gigawatt range can cause them problems laser or not, hell, worf nearly crapped himself when he found out that they were hit with 400 gw of energy in "The Survivors"
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a 900 megawatt hit shot down a Runabout in DS9's "Battle lines"
a single shot from a TIE fighter carries 8,000 Gigajoules, and it has an on screen firing rate of 240 RPM or so, meaning a TIE fighter carries a wopping 32,000 Gigawatts!
you don't even want to know what a Turbolaser shot is capable of doing, but lets just say that it would take over 8,000 Photon torpedoes to equal a single shot.
best not to focus so blindly on dialogue alone, and look to performance.
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oh and one more thing, when the Federation went to different particle beams they used the term Phaser, the Republic/Empire kept using the word Laser, and the most technical they would likely get terminology wise with a Phaser is call it a "Nadion Laser"
the Empire and the Federation use a completely different naming convention with their weapons systems and armour.
what the Federation call a high density Neutronium alloy the Imperials call Durasteel, which is what their ships are made of.
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The Scimitar wouldn't last a few seconds against a Star Destroyer, cloak or no cloak (and there's always the GCT sensors, which can detect the fluctuations a mass in space has on it's surroundings, thus making cloaks largely useless)
another issue is the Scimitar's own weapons giving itself away, allowing the imperials to triangulate the Scimitar's position and use blind firing to hit it, one hit and the Scimitar is toast.
the borg lost to the enterprise whats your point lol and there's no waaaay the enterprise is fucking with the empire
dedseason 6 days ago
@dedseason The Borg are still better than ewoks. And the Enterprise is better than the borg. This keeps getting better: for Star Trek.
Idazmi7 2 days ago
@Idazmi7 the enterprise has no chance against the empire the borg would not even be able to fuck with the rebel alliance
dedseason 1 day ago
@dedseason
1. You are still wrong.
2. You are trolling.
Idazmi7 1 day ago
@Idazmi7 No sir the empire is too powerful for the borg they dont have the force and they can not counter it
dedseason 1 day ago
@dedseason TROLOLOLO...
The Force is beaten by SEVERAL Star Trek species.
Idazmi7 1 day ago
ok just so people understand the minute the enterprise does that onscreen bull shit vader is going to kill all of them! nuff said OWNED!!!!!
NOW GET THE HELL OFF OUR LAND!!!!
dedseason 2 weeks ago
@dedseason Darth Vader is an astmatic Borg Wannabe. What's he gonna do?
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 kill all of them with the force as soon as they go on screen to announce "we are the borg resistance is futile" and all that arrogant crap they do
dedseason 1 week ago
@dedseason He killed a seriously old jedi, and a rebel soldier, total. The Jedi LET VADER KILL HIM. So, as I said: what's Vader gonna do? "Alter the deal?"
The Borg don't make deals. They wipe out billions in moments.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 then borg will not stand a chance against the empire
dedseason 1 week ago
@dedseason The Ewok fuzzballs destroyed the Emperors "Best Troops" with help from a single Wookie.
The Borg are way better than Ewoks.
Idazmi7 6 days ago
That was pretty cool. :D
chesterblover 2 weeks ago
Actually it was the invisible hand and it would have pulverised the enterprise but this video is wrong
starwarsawsomedude 1 month ago
@starwarsawsomedude The invisible Hand was pulveries by a Venator class, a venator would not survive a Photon Torpedo.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
now keep in mine the enterprise destroyed a super star destroyer!
kyjoe9 1 month ago
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Star Destroyers have 60 turbo-"lasers", which are NOT rapid-fire. (SW:ANH) They carry 72 sublight fighters, and 5000 troops. Star Destroyers are not ray-shielded, only Star Dreadnaughts. They are made of Durasteel, which is only 1/3 neutronium, (SW:ACS) not enough to deflect phasers. They can bombard localized planetary targets, but prefer invasion.
The smallest Star Trek ships are therfore equivalent to Star Dreadnaughts.
Idazmi7 2 months ago
lol not bad vid, well done
wmh1968 4 months ago
no!!!!!star wars is silly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hk775861677 4 months ago
Star wars kicks star treks nerdy ass.
pumpkin545 5 months ago
empire would easy win
daniellisnermeicker 5 months ago
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Idazmi7 5 months ago
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@daniellisnermeicker Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
Idazmi7 5 months ago
ddddddddd
R4043 5 months ago
This was FAIL!
whitemanwii 5 months ago
The enterprise has no chance against against the Death Star. The Death Star's defenses were designed around a capital-ship assault. And given the thousands of tie fighters on board, the enterprise would be destroyed quickly.
nitestryker7 6 months ago
@nitestryker7 Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@Idazmi7 but there is no way the Enterprise can move around quickly enough in space, given its mass, to avoid blasts from the superlaser of the death star. If anything, the shields would be taken down.
nitestryker7 5 months ago
@nitestryker7 HA! I guess you never saw any of The Original Series! The Enterprise combat speed is warp 4, as per "the Ultimate Computer". That's 507 times the speed of light, as per the Star Trek series bible, which is all of the Original Series Canon in one book. (And the only one that does not contradict it's own show)
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@Idazmi7 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA OMFG YOU LOSER
pumpkin545 5 months ago
@pumpkin545 SW ships cannot shoot things moving that fast.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG YOU LOSER!!!! :-P
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@Idazmi7 TOO BAD STAR TREK IS NERDY AND GAY LOL ! LOL ONLY SUMBERINES USE TORPEDOES FUCK HEAD LOLOLOL STAR TREK R SOO FUCKING GAY AND QUEER.
pumpkin545 5 months ago
@pumpkin545 You can shut the hell up now, if you dont like it no one forces you to watch it, if you are THAT traumatized by it, then by all means go HURL yourself off a bridge for humanity's sake ! Your problem will be solved then !
HikaruMido1337 2 months ago
@Idazmi7 strongly agree
hk775861677 4 months ago
@hk775861677 Thank you.
Idazmi7 3 months ago
Star Trek=taking a JOURNEY through the stars.
Star Wars=taking a FIGHT through the stars.
MrWINNSLAW 7 months ago
on 5:03 comes the weapen that i like
Berryverwijk 8 months ago
Damn nice work!
spooker89 8 months ago
Ah the pages upon pages of retard fanboys making up bullshit to prove that their franchise is stronger. "Good times"
LordDarthHarry 9 months ago
@LordDarthHarry U mad?
spooker89 8 months ago
Total witzig Picard gegen Darth Vader und den Imperator die enterprise verpisst sich einfach bei der super rakete. Denoch witzig Star trek gegen star wars anschauen!!!!!!1
NikFel94 9 months ago
400 Gigawatts! Great Scott!
PaperbackWizard 9 months ago
The main blast from the Death Star is not multi-directional. All the Enterprise had to do was move out of the way and keep firing. Quantum Torpedoes would do the job nicely to disable the dish the Death Star's main weapon fires from.
catmanran 10 months ago
what episode of star trek did you take this from
episode and season please thanks dude
whitemanstand72 1 year ago
typical star trek too pussy out at the last second haha good vid tho star wars ow3ned
thisnameisrlytaken 1 year ago
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What about Q?
theshermany 1 year ago
What about Q?
theshermany 1 year ago
they gonna get fucked by star wars
Niner421 1 year ago
I think it would be neat if they had a bunch of other UFP ships in there
zachr121 1 year ago
It would be cool if the empire pursued the federation ship to their universe with the entire imperial navy. I don't think kirk could think/talk his was out of that one.
narutoitachi152 1 year ago
@narutoitachi152 no he'd flirt, jump kick and eat bacon his way out of it.
aerohurtz 1 year ago
Well done. Thanks!
vbywrde 1 year ago
Really nice edited! Good work! I truly love it, faved and + rated!
BigNose144 1 year ago
Obviously Star Wars owns LOLStar Trek. Captain Picard is a pussy waaa waa runaway LOLcry baby.
swis19 1 year ago
The Eldar would also most likely tell the Empire what they know about what the Necrons can do, and what they used to be capable of, in spite of their secrecy, the Eldar would reveal this knowledge because the Empire are the only ones with enough sense to listen and enough power to put to use, since the Eldar defeated the Necrons before, it stands to reason that the Empire can as well, Even though the Eldar were far more powerful back then.
Perion 1 year ago
As good as the firepower and as decent the Armour in 40k is, their shields are notoriously weak, and besides, after a week or month of fighting the Imperium of Man, the Empire would have an analogue for everything the IoM have that they don't have already.
however it's more likely the Empire would make alliances with the Tau or Eldar, get a hold of some of their technology, specifically the Tau, then run it through their industry until they have smaller, more efficient variants of tau weaponry.
Perion 1 year ago
Much like how the Allies in world War 2 supplied the Americans with Radar, and the Industrial capacity of America allowed them to miniaturize Radar and put it on ships and even planes, something the Axis powers, especially Japan couldn't do (the Japanese had to rely on scout/spy planes in naval warfare, as they had no Radar on their ships)
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion I don't see why either the Tau or the Eldar would align themselves with the Empire. I can't see any common interests, except the Necrons, and that's not enough for either the Tau or the Eldar to overlook the massive, massive differences. The Empire aren't exactly out for the greater good, or to help find ancient Eldar relics...
Vehementi 1 year ago
"and that's not enough for either the Tau or the Eldar to overlook the massive, massive differences."
It's enough for them to align with the Imperium of Man, and they are even Less cooperative.
Perion 1 year ago
The Galactic Empire would take quite a few casualties against Necron forces, but compared to a war against the Imperium of Man, they would be few.
The Galactic Empire are most at home in Space combat, (at least until they come out with their own mass produced Titan equivalents at which point they are down and all around)
Also, the Nightmare Shroud won't work either for the same reason the Sepulcher won't work, Ysalamiri and/or lack of Warp Presence.
Perion 1 year ago
And also the Dark Troopers can easily stand up to Necron Warriors or Space Marines etc, especially Phase 1s vs Necron boarders.Necrons are weak in Hand to hand, Phase 1s are extremely deadly in close quarters (it's what they were designed for)
That and the internal security systems would continuously be an uphill battle, with the other ISDs in the fleet blowing the Tombships apart, they won't be able to get reinforcements for long.
I wonder what an Ion blaster would do to a Necron, hmm.
Perion 1 year ago
Ultimately, boarding the star destroyers would be pretty simple with the lords and VoD, just teleport back and forth with reinforcements. With the 'cron's WBB and gauss weapons, they'd just keep getting back up, even if the storm troopers werelucky enough to take any down, and the storm trooper's armour would just be obliterated, along with the storm trooper inside.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Just to add, Necron ships have faster than light travel, so they'd be able to launch assaults on the Empire's planets. Tombships also have sepluchures, devices that literally drive the enemy crew insane. A single tombship could probably hold its own against an ISD, they can take a lot of punishment, and are nearly always immensely heavily armed.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Almost forgot to mention the Necron World Engine. :)
Vehementi 1 year ago
Lol, to Picard "your hate has made you powerful" that would be a first time in Star Trek history.
JamesRadnus 1 year ago
Throw the Imperium from 40k into the mix, and neither Star Wars or Star Trek would stand a chance.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Star Trek no, Star Wars yes,
The Empire and Imperium of Man are actually quite similar overall tech and scale wise, The Stormtrooper corps are essentially an entire army of Kasrkin and have similar numbers to the Imperial Guard.
The Empire has several distinct advantages the Imperium quite simply cannot overcome.
1. Imperium of man cannot leave their galaxy, or get too far away from earth, otherwise they lose contact with the beacon and will be Lost in the Warp.
Perion 1 year ago
2. Imperium of Man is on a technological downward spiral, clutching fervently to the technology they can still use and have a great many devices that cannot be replaced if destroyed, Innovations and such is frowned upon by the Inquisition, in their efforts to stamp out all free thought and imagination. the Empire by contrast is constantly improving itself, making more and more sophisticated weapons and vehicles.
Perion 1 year ago
3. The Imperium takes decades to construct their ships and war machines, while the speed of Construction the Death Star 2 had gives a terrifying implication of the industrial might of the Galactic Empire.
4. the further away from Terra, the slower and more dangerous Warp travel becomes, Hyperdrive is only limited by the thoroughness of starcharts and long range sensors.
Perion 1 year ago
5. Communications between worlds in the Imperium is just as dangerous and only slightly faster than actual travel, the Empire can communicate safely and reliably in real time from across the galaxy.
6. Psykers of the Imperium, while powerful, may very well suffer from the same deleterious effects of being in proximity with Ysalamiri, as a result Ysalamiri would create "Pariah Fields" also, since the Imperials have no Warp presence, they would be much like the Tau, or even Pariahs themselves.
Perion 1 year ago
Innovation and Industrial Capacity is the Galactic Empire's largest advantage against the Imperium of Man, anything the Imperium has that the Empire has no analogue to (such as Titans and Space Marines) the Empire can whip up designs and move to mass production within a week, then have them standard issue along the entire Military in about a month.
for Space Marines however, the best counter would be Dark Troopers, or perhaps an elite cyborg DARC Trooper variant.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Equally, there are far more hurdles for the Empire to overcome. Storm Troopers may be about on par with the IG, but no single unit in SW could stand up to the Adaptes Astartes. The Empire is pretty much limited to explosives and lasers, whereas the Imperium has just about every weapon for every situation. ATAT? Multimelta it. Death Star? Exterminatus. Super Star Destroyer? Emperor Class Battleship. It's not entirely true that...
Vehementi 1 year ago
"Death Star? Exterminatus" you can try, but if this is a completed DS2 we're talking about, than nothing short of Cyclonic Torpedoes are going to even tickle it's shields.
Emperor class Battleship isn't actually as powerful as an SSD, it's considerably less in fact.
the Empire has anoher advantage in that they can go on the offensive whenever they want, only defending world's that they have conquered, they don't have to protect their own galaxy since the Imperium could never reach them there.
Perion 1 year ago
... the Imperium doesn't improve itself, and produce equipment. Vehicles such as Land Raiders, Predators, Thunderhawks, etc, are all produced in manufactoriums. They're also adapted and changed, for example, the Baal Predator. Even though the Imperium can produce things quicker and in larger numbers, what they produce is massively inferior to the Imperium, even though they're still clinging on to ancient equipment from the
Vehementi 1 year ago
Golden age of Technology. Ultimately, the Imperium has faced, and defeated, things that also put the Empire to shame. Tyranid Hive Fleets? Chaos Deamons? Necron Tomb Worlds? Ork WAAAAGHs? The Empire was brought to its knees by a rebellion, using ships that were stolen from them in the first place. You also have to remember how tactically useless the Empire is. They were defeated by ewoks... None of them seem to've heard of "aiming", and most of their things either have really obvious...
Vehementi 1 year ago
weak spots, or only take a few hits to put down, anyway.
The Imperium are 100% devoted to the Emperor, with an unshakable religious conviction. They're adaptable and flexible (A tactical squad can perform almost any role on the battlefield.), they've got better equipment, better training and the same fervor for the Empror that Islamic suicide bombers have for Allah (Only they're more practical with it.) sure, they have some flaws, but their advantages far, far outweigh them.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Kasrkin Armour has very obvious weakspots as well, as does Astartes Armour, their vehicles on the other hand do not (closest thing to that are the AT-ATs.)
As for the rest of that, I've played Warhammer 40,000 since 2nd edition, mostly As space marines until the new Cadians came out In 4th edition, which I used to take out a Nid army, something my Nid using friend didn't even think was possible.
Perion 1 year ago
Stormtooper armour seems purely for show, though, it doesn't actually seem to stop anything. Yeah, all armour has gaps in it, but power armour's gaps are still moderately enforced. As for tactical dreadnought armour, or termies, well... i don't think the empire even has any small arms that could penetrate it.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Not to mention allies. What allies does the Empire have? If it came down to it, there's a chance the Eldar and the Tau would join the fight.
Vehementi 1 year ago
More likely the Eldar and Tau would side with the Empire, remember this is 40, filled with black on grey morality, compared to the Imperium of Man the Galactic Empire is a paragon of Morality, Sanity and Reason.
Perion 1 year ago
Stormtrooper armour plating is largely immune to bullets, a Jedi can hurl a metal spear with enough force to pick up a stormtrooper and send him hurling back 10 feet into a wall, and only knock him unconscious and barely crack the armour, a similar hit to the head would tear it off though, also the body glove is relatively vulnerable, in 40k rules terms I'd put it at a 4+ save.
A T-21 would get through a Terminator without too much difficulty, and an E-web would have no problem whatsoever.
Perion 1 year ago
the reason why the ewok rocks were hurting the Trooper's was because of their necks, like how a football player can suffer serious neck injury from a hard collision with his head.
All Ewok related kills against troopers were from shots to the body glove, and Ewoks are like Ratling/Gretchin with the strength of a Space Marine, (or Wookiee, remember how they were able to take Chewie's weapon away and were going to EAT him.)
Ewoks are very vicious critters.
Perion 1 year ago
Plasma guns, meltaguns, flamers and psycannons aren't bullets, though, and the weapons in the Imperium that do use bullets are explosive. Only a few units use normal bullets, such as vindacare assassins and scouts, but their sniper rifles are designed to be armour penetrating. Vs the Imperium's weapons... 5+.
I'd put both of those weapons just above a lasgun in terms of power, their advantage is rate of fire. They might knock a termie back, but they wouldn't penetrate the armour.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Let's mix it up a bit. The Empire vs the Necrons.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Empire wins hands down, be more of a challenge to take down the Imperium tbh.
the reason for this is that the majority of the Necrons are asleep, and there is no need for conquest, only extermination, so ground combat isn't really all that important. A Base Delta Zero here (tomb worlds are lifeless anyway), a Galaxy
Gun shot there (for the same reason), sweeping across the galaxy and the Necrons are toast.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion There are still loads of tombworlds, though. Necrons are constantly awakening all over the galaxy, ground combat would play a huge part, because that's where the majority of Necron forces are. Even so, a pylon could easily take down a ISD, and a few of them could easily take down an SSD.
Not to mention the C'Tan. Not just the C'Tan in their corporeal, necrodermis, bodies, but as they are outside of them.
Vehementi 1 year ago
"ground combat would play a huge part, because that's where the majority of Necron forces are."
not really, because they aren't trying to take the world from them, they are trying to exterminate them, an ISD can perform the Galactic Empire's equivilent of an Exterminatus, reducing the entire surface of a planet to molten slag under an hour.
Galaxy gun just blows the planet up.
As for the C'Tan outside of their Necrodermis, they aren't capable of doing anything like that again yet,
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion A Tombship must be at least a third the size of a ISD. It wouldn't take much for a to board it, even if they had to land on top and cut their way through the hull with their gauss weapons, or warscythes. The Deciever or the Nightbringer could most likely wipe out a ISD by itself, too.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Hard part would be when the other ISDs fire at said Tombship, as well as the rest of the firepower on the thing, if the Stats of a Tombship in Battlefleet Gothic are any indication, a decent sized Imperial fleet wouldn't have much trouble taking down a Necron one, remember Imperial shields are vastly more powerful than Imperium ones.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion One good gauss blast to the shield generators, though, and they're fried. They're not exactly difficult to hit, or difficult to spot. If a gauss flayer can destroy a Land Raider in a few shots, then the Gauss weapons on tombships shouldn't have much difficulty taking the shield generators down.
Not to mention the monoliths coming from the surface and from the tombships, also firing gauss flux arcs and particle whips. Land a couple of them on the ISD, start transporting in warriors...
Vehementi 1 year ago
...destroyers, H.destroyers, immortals, etc, then the ISD would fall pretty quickly. Storm troopers are simply no match for warriors. Scarabs would eat away at the ships' systems from the inside, causing the Empire all kinds of chaos.
That's excluding the C'Tan.The Deceiver could quite easily trick the Empire's ships into shooting at each other.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Not that they'd even need to go that far. A load of Lords with Veil of Darkness could transport enough 'crons into the Imperial ships to destroy it easily enough, without even having to worry about the shields.
Vehementi 1 year ago
"One good gauss blast to the shield generators, though, and they're fried. They're not exactly difficult to hit, or difficult to spot."
Sorry that wouldn't work, because the Shield generators are located deep inside the ISD, you seem to be following the common misconception that those globes on the top of the bridge tower are the Shield Generators, they aren't, they are Sensors, and well protected by the shields.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Even so, the shield won't protect from the Veil of Darkness.
Three Tombships, each with a Lord, each with VoD can transport themselves and one squad into the ISD. That's potentially 60 warriors in just one go, there'd be nothing stopping the Lords from making shuttle journeys with reinforcements, either. It wouldn't be long until the whole ship is swarming with warriors, the shields wouldn't even need to come down. All the while the crew inside the ISD is going insane...
Vehementi 1 year ago
... from the sepulchures on the Tombships.
Then what happens when the Necrons use their FTL travel to attack Imperial worlds?
Or bring in another Necron World Engine?
A World Engine could easily take on a fleet of ISDs.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Sepulchure wouldn't work, all it is is a Pariah field generator that makes an area extremely unsettling to creatures with a Warp Presence, since the humans in the GE don't have a warp presence, they would be unaffected.
even if they had another World Engine, and were awake and active enough to use one, it wouldn't get far before the Galaxy Gun blew it up.
any evidence of the Veil of Darkness used in ship boarding? also it would only be able to bring in 10 Immortals tops, not 60 Warriors.
Perion 1 year ago
There's also no way they can kill the crew/destroy the ISD before it can blast the Tombships to pieces, on top of that would be the fact that there's no guarantee that GE shields won't protect them from the Veil of Darkness, and the Veil's range is unknown.
Also, at every engagement, the GE would vastly outnumber the Necrons, the Necrons are waking up very slowly, remember in 40k things happen over periods of centuries, the GE would be able to ensure they don't wake up.
Perion 1 year ago
Not only that, but the Necrons cannot reproduce, Period, the warriors and Immortals they have, awake or asleep, are all they got, the only things that can be replaced are the C'Tan necrodermis bodies and the Pariahs, everything else is gone for good if destroyed.
closest thing they can get to reinforcements is more awakened 'crons, and the GE would make damn sure that doesn't happen.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion It's unlikely that it would, it's teleportation, they disappear somewhere and instantly appear somewhere else, wookipedia says nothing about the shields being able to deflect anything like teleportation. Lasers, objects, radiation... they don't have teleportation in SW, so there's nothing to suggest that their shields would block it, or any reason for the Empire to've developed shields that could block teleportation.
Vehementi 1 year ago
They may be waking up slowly, but as more of them wake up, more of their ancient technology is revealed. We may not've even seen a quarter of what they're capable of, and there could potentially be millions of tombworlds. Even the necrons they "kill" will most likely just self repair. Their weapons are extremely effective, their ships are extremely durable, and quite likely also capable of self-repair, they've got the C'tan, the ability to teleport, the list goes on.
Vehementi 1 year ago
If by self repair you are referring to "we'll be back" that has limitations, even on table top, it doesn't always work and if they get hit hard enough they'll be disintegrated or so horribly mangled they don't even get to make such a save (such as if hit by a power weapon or an instant kill weapon, but even kills from a lasgun can potentially take down a Necron permanently)
there is no evidence that there is even potentially millions of Tombworlds
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion And what weapons would a storm trooper have that would do that? Even Space Marines need a Strength 8+ weapon, or insta-kill, to do that. Nothing the Empire hasd would translate to S8+. And I'm pretty sure they don't even have close combat weapons, let alone power weapons. Every time a storm trooper kills a warrior, it stands a 50% chance of getting back up.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Just because the shields were never designed to do something doesn't necicarily mean they cannot do it, it all depends on the mechanism behind the teleporter.
it's unlikely the Warp, since the Necrons aren't very fond of it, so it's more likely to be something more akin to subspace, however, since Imperial shields extend into subspace, if it does use Subspace than the shields will block it.
there is no reason to assume the shields would, but there isn't any to suggest they wouldn't.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Then there's no reason to assume the Galaxy Gun would penetrate the World Engine's shields. One World Engine took out 1/3rd of the imperial Navy, and was only destroyed after wiping out an entire chapter, by ramming a ship into it. NOTHING else apart from that could get through its shields.
Vehementi 1 year ago
"by ramming a ship into it." if ramming a ship like a chapter's battle barge will break through the shields, than the galaxy gun will without a doubt.
Planetary shields don't exist in 40k, but they do in Star Wars, and the Galaxy gun was designed to penetrate them, Ramming a ship full force into the planetary shields of a world won't even dent them, and that's from an Executor class ship, which is a great deal more powerful than any vessel in 40k.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion It's closer to a Nightmare Shroud. The Pariah Field only affects psykers, the Sepulchure affects all living things. That includes the crew on ISDs.
The Galaxy Gun breaks down molecules, not unlike gauss weapons, but the World Engine's shields aren't made of molecules to break down. It'd be pretty ineffective, seeing as how the shield would block any projectiles.
If the ship's in range, there's nothing to suggest that it can't be used for ship boarding. Also, I said 3 tombships, not 1.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Pariahs affect everyone who are connected to the warp, but psykers are affected the most because they are the most connected.
ISD crewmen won't be affected because they aren't connected at all.
Galaxy gun is fully capable of destroying shielded targets, from ships to planets, so it must Have another stage that cracks through the shields first, then deploys the second stage which does the molecular mess ups.
3 Tombships for 1 ISD? have fun while the other ISDs blow the Tombships apart.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion At least, they wouldn't be affected if we were talking about Pariahs. I don't even use Pariahs in my army list. Sepulchures cause the enemy crew to feel uneasy, and it breaks down the chain of command. It mentions nothing about the warp at all.
You seem so certain that the ISD could take a tombship, but you're forgetting that tombships are HEAVILY defended, and can easily take down an Imperial Navy battleship.
Vehementi 1 year ago
If we're talking about a Cairn, then yes, Imperial Navy Battleships have impressive Firepower per salvo, but have a rather low rate of fire, not only that, but their own shields will go down after only a salvo or two from a ship of similar armament.
Star Destroyers on the other hand have much higher rates of fire, and have shields capable of withstanding a full half hour from a ship similarly armed.
combine that with the GE's ability to create thousands of Star Destroyers in a matter of days.
Perion 1 year ago
"a pylon could easily take down an ISD,"
based on what? remember an ISD is easily a match for a Gothic class Cruiser in individual shot firepower, has a faster rate of fire, and has far stronger shields.
Galaxy gun can park itself say, 100,000 lightyears outside the galaxy, and fire it's hyperspacial torpedoes to anywhere in the galaxy, it can dial the firepower to such precision as to destroy anything from a single building, city, orbiting ship, to the entire planet.
Perion 1 year ago
Tyranids might be a bit trickier, but the Empire can always stay a step ahead of them and whittle them down to nothing, possibly making heavy use of battle droids (no not the CIS ones, the SD9 and SD10 kind) and such to minimize the risk of the Tyranids using their Biomass. Galactic Empire isn't unacustomed to dealing with bioships and devourer races etc, such as the Yuuzhan Vong and the Ssi-ruuk.
Perion 1 year ago
E-11s would be under that category, but the T-21s are very powerful, easily on Par with a Heavy bolter, an E-Web is like an Autocannon with a burst cannon rate of fire.
4+ would be the base save
Plasma Guns and Melta Guns are like Imperial Disruptors, high powered but short range and/or unreliable, also the Empire have the Stouker Concussion Rifle, easily on par with a Plasma gun..
Flame throwers aren't unheardof in the Galactic Empire, and Psycannons are only used by the Grey Knights.
Perion 1 year ago
nothing but misconceptions here, Stormtroopers are excelent shots in spite of what many people think, note on the Death Star and they were missing on purpose,
on Endor they were winning until han told them to open their doors.
Most importantly the entire battle of Endor wouldn't have happened at all if Palpatine wasn't so obsessed with turning luke to the Dark Side, THAT is what caused the Empire to be destroyed.
Perion 1 year ago
Why would they miss on purpose, though? That's not exactly a testament to their battle prowess, or their tacticians.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Also, I don't remember anything from Star Wars transversing multiple galaxies. "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away."
Vehementi 1 year ago
They can easily traverse a galactic distance, or very close to it, within hours.
watch?v=9C8biXqOGtg
Perion 1 year ago
Missing on purpose and getting the shots as close as they did Is insanely hard to do,
Also if you recall they secured a homing beacon on the Falcon, so why would they want the crew dead?
On cloud city they had disabled the hyperdrive and were going to pick them all up at once, rather than risk killing or capturing only a few of them, though R2 being the rather impressive astromech it is, fixed said drive.
Perion 1 year ago
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"what they produce is massively inferior to the Imperium"
The only Ground vehicles the Galactic Empire has no analogues to (yet) are some of the Baneblade variants and the Titans, even then they do have a counter to the Baneblade itself, the Juggernaut.
Everything else they can counter, Leman Russ? they have the Firehawke or the 2M repulsortank, Vulture and Valkarie? they have the LAAT, Baal Predator? they have the IFT.
Each one outperforms it's IOM counterpart..
Perion 1 year ago
Adeptus Astartes are, at best, Special Forces, they strike hard and fast but cannot maintain a war on their own, they only number roughly 1,000,000 in total, spread across chapters of no more than 1,000 strong.
While the Astartes are used to handling enemies with superior numbers, the GE is a completely different beast
another factor is that the Industrial Capacity for troops, the Empire can replenish their forces FAR more easily than the IOM, the IOM would go down putting up a helluva fight.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion They've still got the IG and the Sisters of Battle backing them up, though. The IG are masters of planetary defense, and even they have better equipment. For example, their armour actually works (Although whether or not the standard lasgun is as good as an Empire laser remains open.), titans, baneblades/shadowswords, basilisks, valkyries, leman russes. They may not be able to reproduce and recruit as fast as the empire, but once they're dug in to a planet, they're not moving.
Vehementi 1 year ago
Stormtrooper armour is on par with Karskin armour, just to let you know, while depending on the fluff E-11s are either equal to lasguns or Tau Pulse rifles, so the vary quite wildly.
"they're not moving."
Oh they are but it's gonna take allot of work, and once again the only things on that list that would give the Galactic Empire trouble are the Shadowswords and Titans, and even then, once again Innovation, in about a Month the Empire will be using their own, stronger Titans in vast numbers.
Perion 1 year ago
w star wars
lucaccio00 1 year ago
they always say that star trek would lose to star wars but the federation aint the only race in star trek the romulans borg and loads of other extremely powerfull races with ships the size of a planet its not just the federation
doctorwhodidapoo 1 year ago
@doctorwhodidapoo really... name 1 race that has ships the size of planets. Also in a ST vs SW conflict... there's no indication that the ST races would fight together. The only times they have fought together is in extreme and unusual circumstances. Not to mentiont that SW's incredible industiral capacity makes them more likely to win along with their superior speed advantage.
ncruhk 1 year ago
I like how you somehow made this work, even though it's not supposed to. Smoothly done, if you ask me.
wanderersrock268 2 years ago
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I'm just saying that if you have all this tech, why not place CIC deep inside the ship. considering the ranges in space, windows aren't really necessary.
mager56723 2 years ago
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1 word, ECM.
Trek Ranges in pitched battles, even 1 on 1 fights, routinely get to within a ships length of each other, long range engagements in trek are actually quite rare.
Perion 2 years ago
now, if the 'perials would stop building such easily targeted command decks, they wouldn't be so easily taken out.
mager56723 2 years ago
no easier to target than Federation bridges,
I'd hardly call needing the entire Rebel fleet pounding mercilessly on the Executor for like half an hour straight then getting lucky when it doesn't come out of it's dive towards the death Star "easily taken out"
Perion 2 years ago
I'm just saying they HAVE tv's.
Hook em up to external cameras and bury the bridge inside the nice, massive, hull.
mager56723 2 years ago 2
Pretty good. But there is only tiny flaw.
Admiral Piett comes back from the dead :p
Kaiserhawk 2 years ago
When the Executor smashed into the Death Star, was that because of a temporary loss of control and the gravity of the Death Star or what, because i can´t imagine a single A-wing being the cause of its demise.
onlypeaceindeath 2 years ago
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yes it was, it also lost the shields due to the Mon Calamari fleet, not due to the A-wings strafing the tower which occurred as the shields were collapsing and allowed them to destroy one of the long range com/scan globes.
Perion 2 years ago
I thought so. There is no way a mere fighter can destroy a battleship that is 17km long by ramming it.
onlypeaceindeath 2 years ago 5
Well the Awing itself didn't destroy it, it only crippled it long enough for it to be consumed by the gravity of the Deathstar, had they been further out Auxiliary control could have taken over in as little as 30 seconds and the SSD could have continued the fight.
Tibarus 2 years ago 4
@onlypeaceindeath Can you say "explosive decompression?"
MsJmiller14 1 year ago
@MsJmiller14 I can't imagine that explosive decompression would possibly make such amount of damage to take out a warship of that size.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
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@onlypeaceindeath Can you say "explosive decompression?"
MsJmiller14 1 year ago
The Awing only took out the main control deck, resulting in a temporary, but total loss of control, as that happened, the SSD was sucked into the gravity well of the DeathStar before Auxiliary control could take over. Thus the end of the Executor.
Tibarus 2 years ago
i think 3:05 is the best looking scene....altho i really like this whole video.. there is no better star trek vs star wars video on youtube :D
foxprogt 2 years ago
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HORRORTV1 2 years ago
I would think just look it is still too fake looking to work LOL
cigs 2 years ago
realy funny Star wars WON WOOOO
zachdk1 2 years ago
yeah starwars cannon is so over powering.
starknight97 2 years ago 2
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lol u star wars boys have no idea cuz ur so blind on how much more advanced star trek technology is. Fuck i mean laser based weaponry alone is considered obsolete by the 22nd century far before picard or even kirks time and it couldnt even penetrate navigational shields. And lets not forget other 24th century tech and other races. I wud luv to see the empire and rebellion combined try to take on the Borg Collective. And the reman warship scimitar wud single handedly destroy star wars universe
havik206 2 years ago
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oh look, another one who goes by the whole "no lasers fallacy" like I haven't heard that same argument 50 bajilion times.
now lets see if this is just willful ignorance or an honest mistake.
you see, the Federation are only used to seeing Lasers in the Megajoule and Kilojoule range, anything in the gigajoule or gigawatt range can cause them problems laser or not, hell, worf nearly crapped himself when he found out that they were hit with 400 gw of energy in "The Survivors"
Perion 2 years ago
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a 900 megawatt hit shot down a Runabout in DS9's "Battle lines"
a single shot from a TIE fighter carries 8,000 Gigajoules, and it has an on screen firing rate of 240 RPM or so, meaning a TIE fighter carries a wopping 32,000 Gigawatts!
you don't even want to know what a Turbolaser shot is capable of doing, but lets just say that it would take over 8,000 Photon torpedoes to equal a single shot.
best not to focus so blindly on dialogue alone, and look to performance.
Perion 2 years ago
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oh and one more thing, when the Federation went to different particle beams they used the term Phaser, the Republic/Empire kept using the word Laser, and the most technical they would likely get terminology wise with a Phaser is call it a "Nadion Laser"
the Empire and the Federation use a completely different naming convention with their weapons systems and armour.
what the Federation call a high density Neutronium alloy the Imperials call Durasteel, which is what their ships are made of.
Perion 2 years ago
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The Scimitar wouldn't last a few seconds against a Star Destroyer, cloak or no cloak (and there's always the GCT sensors, which can detect the fluctuations a mass in space has on it's surroundings, thus making cloaks largely useless)
another issue is the Scimitar's own weapons giving itself away, allowing the imperials to triangulate the Scimitar's position and use blind firing to hit it, one hit and the Scimitar is toast.
a Borg fleet is even worse off vs an ISD.
Perion 2 years ago
Agreed. Star Wars wins! Woohoo! Long live George Lucas!
HORRORTV1 2 years ago
32,000 Gigawatts! Doc, don't tell me that thing is nuclear!
404masterblaster 2 years ago
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if you are going back to the future they have to be Jigawatts :P
Perion 2 years ago
Picard changed his outfit awful fast
Lanceo90 2 years ago
what a forge one rebellion proton torpedo could destroy the enterprise shields a star destroyer could kill it easily
pelamar121 2 years ago
StarTrek, Less jacking more hacking! xD They talk to fraking much !
Litzen2k 2 years ago
I like Star Trek AND Star Wars. I think they're both wonderful. Wow some people are so hostile. lol
TheMordSith 2 years ago 2
debating *
koomzyboi 2 years ago
very well done. you people eebating on fictional power and who would win etc need to get a fukin life though!
koomzyboi 2 years ago
in the end Darth Vader looks alot like morpheus in Matrix when he walks
Iseeisees 2 years ago
if the star forge was there it would create a massive amount of ships and eventually destroy the enterprise
sith545 2 years ago
Yeah agreed
Iseeisees 2 years ago
star wars would so win. but u ppl are disgusing the laser power in the ships like in real life. relax u fucking nerds!!! and star wars wins
conv3rs3666 2 years ago
yeah, Executor would've kicked Enterprise D pretty hard
Dragosmart 2 years ago 3
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Meh, a single Acclmator or even Slave 1 would do the trick.
Perion 2 years ago
Can't say I disagree... but come on man, we need to give Picard a little credit also. I think that Venator will suffice :D
Dragosmart 2 years ago
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Venator would work, prolly be best to stick with using the point defense weaponry though, don't want to blow him up TOO quickly :P
Perion 2 years ago