Bill Maher: Hillary Clinton Would Have Been Better

[fateagleaz]

"I'm just an astro physicist."

Totally awesome

[LBTennis]

If i could do my life over i would have been an astrophysicist.

[Reido2828]

@LBTennis

Its never to late

[LBTennis]

If i could do my life over i would have been an astrophysicist.

[cjs2964]

Neil Degrasse Tyson and Bill Maher, now thats a combo I would vote for.

[AidanVaroloWhite7]

Neil Degrasse Tyson 2012

[kevman5]

@AidanVaroloWhite7 He's too smart to be the president. 

[dunslane]

do we forget how Hillary failed to get her healthcare plan through congress? . The Clintons were killed by the beginnings of Murdoch's faux machine in the US.. Murdoch has convinced so many sheep that what they say is right, that it makes 1994 look like the summer of love. Prez Obama has worked to heal this nation and reach those sheep, until we convince them, nothing changes. Instead of getting our help, he gets attacked from us too. We showed him, we empowered the GOTP in 2010, Yay us.

[theotron84]

"he cant...biophysiologically" FTW!

[imcrazy85]

arrongant & annoying 

[mason72518]

How about job destroying spending increases Bill?

[yerk3]

@mason72518 Examples?

[mason72518]

@yerk3 Everything the government spends reduces money that can be spent by the more productive private sector. Money govt spends doesnt come from no where, it's not "free money". The money govt taxes and spends would have been invested by the private sector instead. Not to mention the establishment of countless govt bureaucracy's that produce nothing and cost billions.

[antireagan]

@mason72518

no, because the government can create money. macroeconomics is not the same as balancing the family checkbook. in some cases, like a reession, the government has to move opposite of what the private sector would.

[mason72518]

@antireagan That is Keynesian nonesense. Printing/borrowing money is tax on all taxpayers and currency holders. The government cannot "provide" anything. It has no resources. All it can do is tax, and as you point out, print money. But that results in the inflation tax.

[yerk3]

@mason72518 LOL "The more productive private sector." The private sector that keeps asking for (and with connivance, getting) bailouts from the government because they can't keep their shit together on their own? The private sector that depends on things like roads, police and a moderately educated workforce, all courtesy of the big, evil government? The private sector would be dead without the government.

[mason72518]

@yerk3 1) Capitalism commands that the private sector that requires govt to survive should be allowed to go bankrupt. I am against all bailouts and subsidies to the private sector 2) Who exactly do you expect to "streamline" a bureaucracy? 3) Govt spending + jobs comes from taxation. The money taken from the private sector would have otherwise gone towards job creation. You have creates jobs on one hand, but lost them in the other. Of course, the private sector jobs would have been more (contd).

[mason72518]

@yerk3 productive than hiring more bureaucrats who do nothing but fill out forms all day. Lastly, regarding outsourcing: Jobs are lost in america, but as you admit they are created overseas. Money goes to where it is treated best, so if foreign economies are less regulated and more business friendly they will get the money and the jobs. Purusing similar policies in America would end the outsorucing issue. The main reason for outsourcing is to avoid regulation, not lower wages.

[yerk3]

@mason72518 The jobs that are being "created" overseas are hellish sweatshop jobs where you earn just enough to avoid starvation, with no benefits, to work 24 hour shifts around dangerous, outdated machinery and toxic substances with no safety gear. If that sounds like good working conditions to you, go to Bangladesh and sign up.

[yerk3]

@mason72518 Regulations exist for a reason. Foundry workers in India go blind from working with white-hot molten metals without proper eye protection, factory workers get cancer and other maladies from working around dangerous chemicals without proper ventilation. Overly long shifts result in accidents from people working around dangerous machinery while exhausted.

[mason72518]

@yerk3 Ppl overseas working in the sweatshops have the choice to either starve, prostitute themselves or work in sweatshops. They are happy to work for the multi-nationals, otherwise why would they? It is the best option available. Americans used to do similar work, until productivity gains made such work unattractive. I am all for Indian workers forming groups and negotiating with their employers, no one said anything against that. And if you think that your beloved govt's will come to (cond)

[mason72518]

@yerk3 the rescue, you should review the plight of workers in USSR and Mao's China. Would you rather work in a Chinese business today, or would you rather work in a factory under Mao in the 1960's. Would you rather have lived in Hong Kong in th 60's or in old China? Would you rather have lived in America in the 50's or in the USSR under Stalin. Be careful what you wish for if you want to surrender power to the government elites. Stop this silly anti-business bullshit.

[yerk3]

@mason72518 You're talking about specific regimes that are the product of a specific ideology, not simply of a government having power. Would you rather be a middle-class engineer in late 20th century China or an impoverished peasant living in late Ming dynasty China, where lower-level officials became extremely corrupt and landlords treated their peasants like human garbage.

[mason72518]

@yerk3 I dont see what this has to do with our original discussion. My point, is that the ordinary man is best served under a free capitalist system where he is given the opportunity to pursue his own interests and flourish. Moreover, I cant stand your consistently anti-business rhetoric. If you want to continue this then lets stick to the original subject matter.

[yerk3]

@mason72518 These things are allowed to happen in third world countries because the companies because without regulations, companies sacrifice the wellbeing of their workers for maximum profit, and the governments of these countries are corrupt and in the pocket of the corporations. Conditions used to be like this in America before the regulations you hate so much, and they will only end in those country when they adopt similar regulations.

[yerk3]

@mason72518 I agree that there are beaurocratic entanglements that should be streamlined, but making the government more efficient and completely dismantling it and leaving everything up to the magical sacred "Invisible Hand of the Market" are two completely different things.

[yerk3]

@mason72518 And you still haven't provided any clear examples of spending increases destroying jobs. I can provide plenty of examples of the free market destroying jobs. For instance, the outsourcing mania that corporations have taken to, taking jobs away from Americans and sending them to third-world countries where they know they can work people to death and buy off the governments so that they don't complain.

[yerk3]

@mason72518 The general attitude of the "private sector" towards the American working class is "jobs? What jobs? I've got a ten year old in Bangladesh breathing lead fumes 15 hours a day for pennies on the dollar, now please kindly go die in a ditch so I can drink the rest of this $800 wine in peace!"

[MarvelsofaLifetime]

Lol at Neil's comment at the end on Rush Limbaugh haha.

[47f0]

Stephen Bannon. What a complete and utter waste of oxygen. The stimulus didn't work? What's remarkable is how well such a small stimulus did work in the face of the avalanche of shit Bush left for the Obama administration. Bannon and his idiot followers seem to think you can put out a house fire with three buckets of water, and if you can't, then water must be the wrong thing to use.

[antireagan]

@47f0

very well said! what the average impatient american retard seems incapable of understanding is how big a hole we were in. i have said in the past were lucky we still have electricity. all the major economists agree that whats been done so far was necessary and that a financial crisis takes a lot longer to recover from than an ordinary recession. in other words, were doing as well as can be expected, and in fact the things the republicans are trying to do are bad for the recovery.

[fjoo]

don't think he will be on very often. They didn't get half the things he was saying, and the other half he dumbed down for them and that made it unfunny...

[dudesonman4200]

@fjoo

Whats complicated about what he said? Hillary would have been a better negotiator. Thats all he said.

[fjoo]

@dudesonman4200 I got it, the audience didn't get all points during the show.

[capnbarfy]

I love how Joan Walsh was trying to be all PC at the very beginning, but once Neil started to keep it real, she was all but quick to join in...

[1R1E1D]

that film maker doesnt need to talk he doesnt know anything just hitting his talking point over and over let neil do the talking and take another bong rip

[anymaru]

With the past president and the current people in control of congress anyone would be doomed for failure of any positive change.

[xxxxPaladinxxxx]

I think Joan Walsh is grossly mistaken in her numbers of people who still support Obama. I don't remember exactly what the numbers were, but I recall Obama's recent favorability rating among progressives being MUCH lower than 80 percent! When November 2012 rolls around, progressives will probably vote for the bastard again, purely out of fear, but right now they're pretty pissed.

[ReX342]

Paying teachers and educating the next generation doesn't have a multiplier effect? Yeah, maybe not in six months...

[simbakafiri]

@197cedar Hillary would have started war with IRAN

[gatorbroe]

neil owns the table

[beradification]

is this Neil's first real time, get him on air more often Bill

[MusicJew158]

Obama isn't buddies with Ayers. Obama is waaay more moderate than Ayers.

[FrankWernPennant]

Hilary is tougher.

[ihofaerefa]

@FrankWernPennant based on what? she failed with hilarycare and had no real success in the senate... she voted for the iraq war proving she is just as much of a pragmatist as obama

[7j8i9m]

Although I understand some of Hitchens' points, his political theory is quite flawed. And keep in mind that while Hitchens hates Clinton, he feels the same way about Reagan, who stands just beside Jesus in conservative politics. His more general point is that political extremism on either the Democratic or Republican ticket is immoral, and that part at least we can all agree with.

[uninoculated]

Neil De Grasse Tyson nailed it @ 2:12 !!!

[Thirdgen83]

Spending cuts DO NOT "destroy jobs"....

[morbidchid]

Bill Maher is a fucking idiot.

[jxsilicon9]

LOL! The Republicans hate the Clinton even more than Obama. They spent his whole terms trying to get him impeached. Especially that evil piece of shit Kenneth Star. Who went on to defend banging underage girls and defending Blackwater for shooting civilians.No surprise Ted Bundy was a Republican.

[GoodAvatar]

@jxsilicon9 Clinton WAS a disgustingly evil sack of shit, in the defense of Republicans. Read Christopher Hitchens book "No One Left to Lie to" and see if you can maintain that Clinton was some kind of good guy.

Hillary is, in some ways, actually WORSE.

That family is as creepy and immoral as you can possibly get. Talk about naked lust for and abuse of power for power's sake. Clinton was really a Nixon for Democrats.

[Brdj010]

@GoodAvatar Nevermind that her husband not only balanced the budget for the first time in decades, and also added a surplus. He also did what other Republicans failed to do the last few decades, and that is cut government. That sure isn't Obama. He is a big government liberal x2.

[Brdj010]

@jxsilicon9 I'm a Republican and I like Clinton very much. I used to not like him at all, but after dealing with Obama these last few years, Clinton has become a total saint in my book. BTW, John Wayne Gacy was a DEMOCRAT.

[jxsilicon9]

@Brdj010

I don't know about saint. He was a moderate conservative like Obama. Obama just has a congress that won't compromise on anything unlike Clinton. He passed NAFTA and repeal of Glass-Steagall. The last Democratic with actual democratic policies was probably FDR or JFK.

[Brdj010]

@jxsilicon9 Obama is about as moderate conservative as his pal William Ayers.

[jxsilicon9]

@Brdj010

He is a moderate conservative and he isn't pals with Ayers. The problem is you see how insane far right Republican go and try to use that as comparison. Obama is actually old Republican conservative before they went insane. Take the so called Obamacare bill. Its actually Bob Dole's old plan mixed with Romney Mass plan. Not democratic at all. Neither is most of his policies.

[Motive11331]

@jxsilicon9 Mash Obama into Ron Paul and you've got as close as we'll likely ever get to a true Republican.

[MaethrilEteminye]

The moment when Clinton-supporters get to say the satisfying words, "I told you so..."

[walmartpimp2]

I wanted to vote for Hillary in the Florida primaries, but I am not a democrat, and Florida has closed primaries.

[ScinLaeca358]

But, you know, it's true. If you're one of the sane people, and you sit 2012 out because Obama's a huge disappointment, you're basically voting for president Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry or Mitt Romney or whatever other abomination they put up, and if you don't think it could get any worse, you're wrong.

[lamrof]

Saw Obama on tv today. He gave a speech how the tax scheme favored the rich. People applauded him. That is when I turned him off. Oh my fucking God, I can stick it to people and turn around and say how bad it is to stick it to people and I get applauded for it? What is wrong with Americans?

[riethc]

Political correctness at work: only the black guy at the discussion can say Hillary would have been a better president than Obama. Duh

[kindofbluenyc]

President Obama is phenomenal.

[halcyon0830]

GOP Hillary= Spends Trillions Corporate Bailouts, Bypass Congress, Starts New Wars, Indefinite Detentions, Renews Patriot Act, Emergency Powers Act, Guantanamo, Secret Renditions, Tortures & Imprisons Whistleblowers, Uses WMD's, Kills Muslim Families w/ Drones, AIPAC & Israel's Slave, Takes Lobbyist Cash, Police State, Warrentless Wiretaps, Internet Kill-Switch, Kept All Bush Tax Cuts, No Financial Reform, No Public Option, No Transparency, Wars in Iraq Afghanistan Pakistan Libya Somalia & Yemen

[halcyon0830]

No Habeas Corpus, No Economy, No Jobs, Expanded Failed Drug War, Mercenaries, Funding Terrorism, Private Prisons, Increased War & Pentagon's Budget more than Bush, CIA killing Americans, Lobbyists Own Washington, Deregulations, Oil Spill CoverUp, No Poverty Reduction, No Federal Reserve Investigation, No Bush Investigations, Oil Speculation, Oil Drilling Everywhere, Endless Corporate Subsidies, No Care about the Environment, Complete Lawlessness, No Electoral Reform, No Reform of the Sick System

[halcyon0830]

Dems & GOP's Support : Endless Spending, Endless Wars, Trillions for Pentagon & Wars, Endless Corporate Bailouts, Patriot Act, Corporate Lobbyists Owning Politicians, Federal Reserve Criminal Cartel, Wall-Street, CFR, PNAC, AIPAC, Doing Whatever Israel Wants, War with Iran, Blockade of Gaza, Illegal Settlements taking over West Bank, Wars in Muslim Nations for Oil & Resources, 1500 USA Military Bases Worldwide, Printing & Borrowing Money from China, Ruining USA & Working Class.

RON PAUL DOES NOT

[halcyon0830]

If you are Loyal to America, loyal to the truth and the US Constitution, you vote Dr. Ron Paul.

If you are Loyal to Israel, loyal to the war-profiting based on lies, and the US Patriot Act, you vote for other candidates (Neocons / Zionists / FedReserveSlave / Corporate-Owned GOP and Dems).

[darwinkilledgod]

The idea that spending cuts will cost jobs is a little ripe. Taking money from people and giving it to other people doesn't generate work. You want to create jobs? Make it easier for people to create jobs! How about not making them pay for their employees children until age 26? How about not making them hire tax attorneys to read 3000 pages of the tax code every year? How about letting them fire anyone for any reason they choose without being sued? That would have worked.

[RightWingHunter666]

I definitely have buyer's remorse with the President and maybe will stay home next election but I certainly not going to say Hillary would have been any better. Would Hillary not cow tie Aipac. The Crappy health care bill is actually Hilliary's medical plan. In the end it doesn't matter how characteristic you are if you don't have the votes you don't have the votes. When a nut bag Tea Party candidate wins the presidency what will we be saying then?

[Dan74NYC]

I too have my disappointments with Obama, but for every step forward there are also steps back... But at least there is progress and attempts and foundations being laid for attempts rather than not. I think he needs to stop respecting his constituents, they're fine with America failing for political maneuvering.

[ThePatriotMuckraker]

hillary, and the rest of the warmongers, are killing Libyans for the finest sweet crude, and those amazing aquifers Gaddafi built for his people.

[ThePatriotMuckraker]

"80% with the African Americans."

A typical elite liberal that "speaks for the black folk." lol.

I happen to know from word on the street that my black brother's and sisters know "benito obama" is an uncle tom puppet of the banks and Israel. Btw, I'm not a neo-con-artist, don't even go there.

[ThePatriotMuckraker]

A party lover is a country hater, and Americans will soon realize that the banks fiat-paper-ponzi scheme, of a debt & compound interest based economy, is a scam. By then, they will probably have to revolt in order to kill the beast that the fascist federal government.

Movies to watch:

"The secrets of Oz."

"Money as debt."

And please visit my channel and leave constructive criticism if you like.

[MyTarsus]

Buyers remorse does not begin to describe the bitter disappointment many of us feel toward Obama. He is a liar and a coward. Ease the drug war? Not. Fair tax system? Not. Transition out of Afghanistan? Not. Prosecute Wall Street for titanic fraud? Not. Cave in to outrageous and destructive Republican demands? Check. We need a new candidate for 2012. Perhaps a Democratic loss in 2012 will wake the party up to nominating a candidate that will keep his/her word and have courage.

[merceratus36]

@MyTarsus=FUCK YOU HILLARY BITCH

[lamrof]

Obama lost me for good. Now I cannot stand the sight of that dead pig. He is sooooooooooooooo Godaaaaaaaaaaamn weak I can't even tell where to begin. After this deal I am not going to vote unless some challenger to his comes up from the democratic party. Let the republican Hayinas take power.

[merceratus36]

@lamrof=YOU ARE A PIG JUST LIKE YOUR MOM WHO SUCKS HILLARY'S BALLS