Appalachia; A History of Planned Poverty

[VibrationsfromMirror]

long time gf :) Yes the poverty WAS PLANNED to some extent! The famiklies were either kicked off property or given so little compensation for their lands that many died through displacemment.. especially the elderly. President Roosevelt left many legacies still ongoing today. Would it NOT BE A SIN to stand against agenda 21's planned sustainable living.. (see official handbook) letting the history and heritage of these parks go back to nature and all memories erased? God Bless ALL!

[grandkadolz]

well done, well made. Thank you for sharing this!

[myfletcher]

My family is from SE Kentucky. I still visit often. I totally disagree with the intro. The poverity was not "planned" by anyone. It was not "racism" either. Industry started in the north and remained there. Farming is done in the south because of longer growing seasons. The mountains are simply hard to build roads through. Much easier to build on flat land. Those are a few of the actual reasons.

[carogee]

@GeorgeBonez "I hate people that rewrite history just to push their lib-agendas." But who wrote the history? Probably people with money and power, and that's going to effect what's included and what's left out. All history is constructed. It is not pure truth or fact, that cannot be contested. It's a narrative created by people, and their perspective WILL show, liberal or not. Looking at marginalized histories is important. I don't know much about this situation but I wanted to make that point.

[johndoeiamable]

New standards for ALL!! Now....who wants to start???? Any takers???

[johndoeiamable]

Since it worked for you guys in the south for so fucking long the assholes with business degrees decided it would work for the rest of us. Now I think its time we ALL change

[77777zula]

I was poor but we had pride in trying to make do with what we had.I am glad I that I never a lover of money..my mom and dad worked 2 jobs about all my life..but we were happy and that's some thing that money can't buy.I miss the good old days.

We need a Christian president in the white house..not a Muslim.What we all need is turn to the Lord in prayer.

Chron.7:14

[ForgotteMemories101]

@77777zula in a country that has a number of religions, I believe that politicians shouldn't be able to speak out about their religious stance. i'm not truly christian but I do believe that Jesus and all that was real. However, in govt, religion can be deadly. Look at Oliver Cromwell's govt back in England, look at the Middle East. People often use their religion as an excuse or "claim to fame", I would like to avoid that. I do realize a true Christian would do neither but human nature is deadly

[GeorgeBonez]

@77777zula Amen to you. I live in NC and Im sorry but this whole history lesson is a bunch of Liberal vomit! You should go see our mountains today. Rich liberal Yuppies have run most of the real mountain folks down off their mountains so that they can build a mantion and live in a dream world. I hate people that rewrite history just to push their lib-agendas. BTW I loved your comment and I totally agree with you. This nation IS a Christian nation weather people want to admit it or not.

[dandebonaire]

Not to mention, economic control by the Northerners since 1865... All our wealth is stolen by Yankees. The New South was the marriage of Northern capital with old Planter control of the political situation in the CSA. A colony is defined as a place where outsiders control and exploit the people and resources for their own gain;l we have been a colony of Northern capital. Our coal and oil and timber enriches them, our men die for their wars, and they mock and insult us.

[77777zula]

Obey the WORD OF GOD and you will be the riches person on planet earth!! Maybe not money,but every thing you will ever need,desire=Psalm37:4,Matthew6­:33..or Eph 3:20 exceeding,abundantly,above all you can ask or think..Now I call that blessed.Hallelujah to the Lamb of God,Jesus.Jesus is the sweetest name I know!! He is my all and all.I love him with all my heart,soul and mind.Matthew22:37-40

Be blessed to be a blessing.

[dandebonaire]

@77777zula Yes, dont fight for equality or food or medicine here on earth, because if you are a good slave, when you die, it will be worth it!!!!This is the mentality that has kept us from challenging our oppressors for two hundred years... Pull your head out of the sand, and fight for a better life here on earth!!! We are the most religious people in the country, and the poorest. That should tell you something,

[aranelinya]

Looks like the rest of the US is joining us, only we have live with so little for so long it is second nature and we have come to terms and know how to survive. I pity the nouveau poor who are still wrestling with denial and depression instead of coming to terms with their new reality.

[joebuddyable]

Tell It To The Banjo is a good song. Appalachia's' planned poverty is a lot like Obscure, PLANNED PAYROLL that will keep everyone in PLANNED POVERTY.

[lmollot]

this overpopulation deprived child of the needed 6 years of his mothers care

and exhausted abused mothers bodies- many orphans

taken away- as labor- still going on in cities or farms

CAPITALISM CANT EXIST WITHOUT SLAVES

GOVT STILL FORCES OVERPOPULATION

govt still sells her children to foster/adoption child labor or CIA CHILD SOLDIERS

book" iroquois women" gives hope and shows how to prevent ABUSE OF WOMEN AND HER CHILD

[lmollot]

forced sex births- banned birth control plants- slippery elm powder, wild ginger

plus gave child bonus for each child-

but NOT WELFARE

[EUROAMERA]

i agree with You on the injustice these people face to this day...............BTW, ithe banjo/fiddle/guitar music in this vid's background is really touching and soothing:)

[JeszeeLaw]

God bless the South!!

[505197]

We owe much of our freedom to the folks like those pictured here. The miners fought a battle with owners, men died for the right to dig themselves out of poverty. We tend to focus on the military, but much of the fight for freedom happened within our own country, fought by nobodys with no monument over their graves, gone and forgotten. God bless the brothers and sisters who fought the good fight over oppression by coporations. Let's not forget them, they are heros too.

[lucy9359]

@505197 they have never won corporations are still causing poverty all over the world and bank dependency all over the world today!

[DaperDan8]

appalachia; a history of planned prosperity... dolly parton, loretta lynn, etc. two sides to every story.

[huckstered]

@DaperDan8 That is a truly misinformed statement, as if two names change

the statistics of poverty. This- is about that very poverty, you miss the point

entirely that the maker of this video wanted to convey. Hilarious.

[DaperDan8]

@huckstered That is a truly informed statement of mine. People with determination and a desire to better their lives escape poverty. Your suggestion that there is some vast conspiracy to keep those mountain people in destitution might be something to consider except for one little fact you seem to have overlooked: "they" can walk down the mountain and MOVE !!

[huckstered]

@DaperDan8 The name dropping is out of touch with reality. Why should anyone leave home? The reality is unseen by you I guess. As if relocation of a person

cannot be concieved of. There is a conspiracy in the south it is an anti-labor conspiracy. It is well entrenched in arcane state laws as in- poll taxes etc. You must be really young too. It is a conspiracy by the " interests" who want a low tax base for themselves kept in place. Just greed not principle.

[DaperDan8]

@huckstered 1. why should anyone leave home?? ask the women of darfur, sudan who flee to kenya to escape being raped. 2. if by "anti-labor conspiracy" you mean right to work laws, take that up with your state legislature. the coal people of west virginia and kentucky should take a bus tour through detroit and talk with the formerly overpaid employees of the auto industry. is it better to have A job than NO job?? 3. i know dollywood has a replica of the shack she grew up in and fled. see ??

[huckstered]

@DaperDan8 Sudan ? Irrelevant. A shack is irrelevant also unless you still live in one. Better to have a part old age pension from Detroit than nothing in ones' old age. One can always "move" for another job. Better to get something than to work for slave wages.

[DaperDan8]

@huckstered @huckstered I did a little research and am wondering if you find this to be "irrelevent."

Coal Mining

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics stated that the average wage of a miner in the private industry is about $18 an hour.

A USA Today article in 2006 stated the average yearly earnings of a West Virginia miner is $64,000 a year.

usatoday.com/money/economy/emp­loyment/2006-02-14-miners-cove­r-usat_x.htm

Hope this puts an end to your pre-1980's mindset. Cheers !!

[huckstered]

@DaperDan8 This does not address the highly exploitative methods of how working people are treated in the south.. Also- Highest rates of children without health insurance, lowest per child expenditures for education, Lowest rates of per capita income in the country- these are the stories of the south and the wealthiest country on earth. Here , where 1% own 95% of wealth and pay a 30% income tax rate. You need more research yet. Irrelevant? Of course. I don't need to research.

[DaperDan8]

@huckstered not everyone is fixated on certain unfortunate parts of the south and coal people. research was helpful to me as 3 things i know about coal are: 1. in coal miners daughter loretta lynn leaves coal country and becomes a millionaire. 2. coal is a deliciously cheap energy source. 3. the chicago museum of science and industry has a great coal mine exhibition. and fyi.. there are no mannequins standing around that mine dressed up like poor hillbillies.

[huckstered]

@DaperDan8 Fixated ? You don't even know me, I just happen to know.  Hillbilly mannequins ? Coal is cheap. And dirty, so?

Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar, so ? The south is tainted. With oppression

and blood and sweat and tears of generations. This legacy is so entrenched

it progresses socially at a snails pace.

[DaperDan8]

@huckstered the wall street journal periodically runs an ad for the salvation army featuring two dirty little appalachian kids playing in the dirt in front of a filthy shack. (i think the photo is from the 1940's). have you donated to that organization to help the "oppressed??" i have. if you haven't, the people of youtube ask that you stop your generalized defamation of the south and start helping by getting in your car and go pick turnips to feed the hillbilly people. cheers !!

[huckstered]

@DaperDan8 What people ? Now free speech has stopped ? The facts is not defamation anyway, no brag jes' fact. Pick turnips to feed hillbillies- they don't need money they have all struck Texas Tea with their Kentucky rifles and live in Beverly Hills where there are swimming pools and movie stars. Didn't you know this ? There ain't no poverty and poor living conditions

in the south. It is all a myth. There ain't no cotton fields neither. Nor discrimination nor hot weather.

[RockyMissouri]

It's time......we are ALL awake and watching-blankenship--We are all miners today-and we care..I'm so sorry, for the families...our hearts are with you..

[coal60]

This really hits home. The coal families here have controlled employment for decades. If an industry wants to move into our area, there is a concerted, organized, underground effort to keep them out so that the wages won't go up and the coal barons won't have to compete for coal slaves.

[huckstered]

@coal60 Incredible.... I believe it. So it is." Money taken from the knarled hands of the toiling masses to fatten the already swollen purses" of these immoral people- Sam Rayburn.

Right now they may be happy- they will pay someday.

[rocksmeller99]

the problem started in the 19th century when many Appalachians sold their mineral rights to out of state hucksters and crooks for little or nothing. when you lose the minerals, you lose the power.

[1989wahoo]

Post Civil War Appalachians were as poor as their Southern conterparts if not worse.. Many were subsistence farmers.. and likely just saw the selling of mineral rights as a quick means of money.. The entire Appalachian region has been plagued by one group takign advantage of another for more than 100 years. The Coal Barrons, Steel Barrons, Factory owners.. and I could go on.... My people are from middle Applachia for the past 200+ years and I will NEVER be ashamed of my heritage

[huckstered]

@1989wahoo That is the way of the entire south, and it has been for a very long time. It is a way of life that is wrong yet, entrenched within the halls of govt.

Govt. sanctioned exploitation of the people, it is social cancer impossible ro remove

from it. I would not be ashamed either, be proud of the struggle, any honest work is honorable and puts you and yours above those who do harm. Rather, look down on the naked greed of it.

[DaperDan8]

@huckstered your comment "that is the way of the entire south" needs revision. i live in the south. In a 21 story deluxe high-rise. In fact, the next time i use the roof top pool i will see if if i can view the appalachian mountains.

[huckstered]

@DaperDan8 So what if you live in the south ? It is irrelevant, I am from Texas.

So what if you live in a high rise ? This is about the always ruthless and exploitative methodologies of the coal industry and the stupidity of the oppresive attitudes the south has always had toward crackers and blacks. If you don't know anything about this then so be it. So far it appears as if you do not know much

except Dolly Parton.

[guitarplyr2255]

Wow. You are really intelligent. I'm sorry. My mistake.

[guitarplyr2255]

You didn't address the education part. You just starting talking about random stuff.

You can't reply with a real reply because you don't know what your talking about.

[guitarplyr2255]

Preventing education. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Is that why every coal town had a school built in it? There were probably more schools per capita in coal mining regions than anywhere in the world.

[rezistorXG]

@guitarplyr2255 Your one ignorant motherfucker

[guitarplyr2255]

@rezistorXG I'm really not. I've studied this quite a bit. You may disagree but I'm definitely not ignorant.

Now if I had called someone a motherfucker then I would agree that I am ignorant.

[2010bennett]

actutally the gov't doesnt sponsor coal at all. Obama hates coal. If you havent noticed that everyone is venturing out to different ways of making energy: wind, solar, etc. The gov't regulates coal to the point where its hard to get any work done. Coal actually supplies a ton of jobs so stop hatin.

[TheHeidiGame]

@2010bennett but clean coal technology is being pushed. Clean coal technology is currently being widely tested in the US and other countries.

[ourearthhome]

Coal companies pay virtually nothing into the public coffer as compared with Sarah Palin's Alaska where natural resource extraction, oil in that case, pays a royalty into the public coffers that is then used not only to fund public infrastrucure expenditures but also a guaranteed yearly income to each citizen of Alaska. Last year it was over $3200 for man, woman and child. For a family of four that amounted to $12,800. Do you hear the sound of economic justice calling?

[guitarplyr2255]

I don't really think the government forcing companies to pay special taxes or justice.

I do know that coal companies in WV basically fund the state government.

[guitarplyr2255]

is justice*

[myfletcher]

@ourearthhome agree, get after the politicians to change that.

[georgiaswamper]

@ourearthhome the whole fair wages idea is great. but the thing is that people in WV and appalachia dont want to strip their land of resources just to make a living, they have been forced to do it to survive. i think that people in alaska look at it like untouched territory, where as appalachia has been this way for years. generation after generation forced into destroying their own mtns, just to scrape by.. nothing will ever be done to change, bc the government likes it the way it is..

[ourearthhome]

@georgiaswamper really good point. My point is all the value of coal beyond the cost of extracting it is unearned income to the coal companies because that value is not created by them but by all the rest of us by our very existence and demand for coal. It is the entire motivation for private companies destroying WV's mountains. We can no longer afford anywhere to leave community created land and natural resources values in private hands. Failure to ask for this is the cause of earth rape.

[juslookin3]

Matthew 7:13-14

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Amen

[Petrifiedhippy]

oF COURSE THE POVERTY LEVEL WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT WITH SS INCOME...

Government is behind the coal diggers ~ not the workers who live the Appalachia life...

Thank you Spadecaller

[SubliminalApparel]

Is it your theory that Social Security benefits would have lifted these people from poverty?

If so, why are most of the people in this area still in poverty, even though they are getting welfare benefits?

[Sizzletube]

and our banks waste the money, and we with our taxes in Britain and the U S A bail them out , yet our goverments let communitis like Appalachia live in poverty for their gain, i am getting older dont trust bankers and dont trust polatitions, sorry to hear about this plight ,we should make our pollatitions do somthing, trubble is how !!!!!!

love is all

trevor sizzle