@Snooperking, no, that is the old school VHS video recording quality. Grainy and spotty. Video recording technology has come a long way since this was taken.
Sad about the crew. That is the nature of the beast though when you do a dangerous maneuver like that though. Looks like he came in too hot from too high an altitude and couldn't overcome the inertia pushing down. Gravity is a real b**** sometimes.
@27thlegion Oh wow, a reply by a kangaroo, thats really funny right there. Hey, here's an idea 27thdoucher, how about living in a country that can actually make there own aircraft instead of buying them from so other country.
@boot358 mate American soldiers deserve no respect... in Iraq they were responsible for the deaths of 500,000 plus Iraqis as well as the countless victims of their "War for Oil" in Afghanistan (that was the war in Iraq too)
@27thlegion LOL man oh man you must be in trapped in your little world have ever heard of the phrase "aint war hell" yeah war isn't suppose to be pretty PEOPLE die and if you go look at the history of any war and you would find all of them to have civilian deaths and plus we didnt kill all those people you damn lunatic terrorist make have blown up buildings full of civilians but yet you say were the bad guys LMAO did we save your country in WW2?
@boot358 well america invaded iraq for oil their official reason was no better. plus Iraqis are worse off now than they were before america illegally invaded. Not to mention iraq did not support terrorists. America did not save Australia in ww2 you douche... we beat the Japanese on the Kokoda (Australia was outnumbered 10-1 and we only had militia) but we still won and Japan was not going to invade without New-Guinea Americans were supposed to help there but the marines that did land ran away.
@27thlegion okay umm dude never in my life have i heard of marines running away you have your info wrong unless you can show me proof that marines did supposedly "run away" and mot mention we have been in a fights wayyyyy wost then that we been through the British back then when we were goin to become our own country we have been through the alamo even tho it was a loss they stood for nearly two weeks against the mexicans who clearly out numbered the texians we have fought in iwo
@27thlegion yes it was the germans out gunned the americans and the allies and the fact that when the boats came and opened there doors there was a high possibility that there would be a wall of lead waiting for them alot of men died that day to end germanys reign of terror and you just throw numbers at me? numbers dont determine courage blood sweat and determination does
@27thlegion Not even coming from an american, i'm just defending them because your logic is flawed, has it ever occured to you that had the americans not attacked the japanese they would've been able to commit alot more forces and equipement to attack and invade australia?
@DisturbedForever92 you do realise that when we fought the japanese a majority of our troops were around australia in defence or in the middle east... not to mention US soldiers were the worst trained in the entire war.... we may not have been the best (Aus) but our determination pushes us up the list to be near the top... Australia was the first country to beat the Japanese on land, the Germans on land, the Italians on land and the Vichy French on land. anway we actually had several plans
@27thlegion I just find it stupid when people are all trying to claim who won the war, no one won the war by itself, it was a combined effort by all the allies and Russia, Sure you had plans, bu the IJN was far superior so the Australian Navy as the time, without the help from the USN, they could've blockaded Australia
@DisturbedForever92 going to blockade thousands upon thousands of kilometres of coastline? i think not, not to mention australia was fairly self sufficient... i didn't say we won the war alone i was saying that the australian army was one of the best... Russia is down the bottom due to them just using human waves... Germany and Japan take the top for many reasons mainly training
I was also there at the end where the staff seargent was in the hummer . it was pilot error .. The drone chute deployed too soon making the pilot have to compensate .. when he pointed the nose down the sherman tank shifted back to the front and he was unable to overcome the weight shift making him hit the ground hard which in turn broke the rear of the plane .. i saw his face he knew he did'nt have enough room to stop.. sad day . the 2 who survived were found in the wood's . thrown from the tail
I was one of the soldiers guarding the equipment at the far right end of the bleachers. It was like everything happened in slow motion, and then the plane hit the woodline and exploded. The heat was unreal. I was about 200 meters closer to the explosion than the cameraman, and as we all turned and started running away from the flames, I heard a woman scream out that her husband was on the plane. I'll never forget that day.
I am not convinced this was pilot error, although the military is the first to blame the pilot in order to protect equipment vendors from lawsuits. What I see here is that the pilot was compensating for the shift in center of mass that occurs as the tank is sliding out from the rear (by pointing the nose down). There could have been an unusual delay from the expected timing of the slide-and-release and the actual timing, which caused the pilot to lower the nose at the wrong time and crash
@DontBelieveJewsNews Retired USAF C-130 guy here, and this was pilot error. The crew was behind on their checklist and should have gone around. But this was a demo and they didn't want to screw up. With the runway threshold fast approaching the pilot elected to go for it but too late for a normal descent. and he shoved the nose over wanting to get his LAPES drop in front of the crowd. He was to blame, and there's not a C-130 pilot out there who ever disagreed.
My dad brought me to see this 3 days before my 6th birthday. I remember this event like it happened yesterday. Since this day I have not gone to another air show...even when I myself was active duty in the Air Force...I just can't bring myself to go to one.
I was the S-3 driver and parked in the woodline at the end of the FLS, dude was asleep in the vehicle at the end of the FLS, doubt he knew what hit him.
I was on the ground as this happened. I still have a picture of me and my best friend from the News paper, running our asses off because we thought everyone in the stands were about to become toast. It was a sad friggin day!
@COWCLAN1000 A shit pilot wouldn't be piloting a military plane during a public display of new military air-dropping techniques. Humans make mistakes and this fella made a fatal mistake, it looks like he started going down too late and was apparently trying to compensate it by doing a "steep" or whatever you call it landing, which screwed up in the end. Everyone makes mistakes, mister pro pilot.
@EV1DEN5E . The airplane skidded some 1000 yards down a dirt runway and struck a military vehicle, killing an Army soldier. Six on board and four were killed.
@mollyisagooddog The pilot, co pilot and navigator all died as the plane broke up and became a fireball. The loadmasters and jumpmasters ran out the back as it was skidding and got burnt pretty bad but survived. It was a gruesome day on the dz.
Looks like that first drag chute deployed too soon. I suspect that caused the CG ( Center of Cravity ) to shift at the worst possible time, I'd bet my left nut that both Pilot and Co-pilot just about damn near pulled thier shoulders out of thier sockets pulling so hard before impact. In the first vid, it takes at least 9 seconds for that load to clear the aircraft, and that was when it was with the nose at or nearly above the horizon.
In the second vid, that sucker has the the drag chute out, nose down and dropping altitude, and only about 6 seconds before leveling out. It took 3 more seconds for that load to clear the plane instraight and level flight alone. Now youre nosediving, hell I bet they even did a -g or two for a moment trying to get down once that chute came out early.I think that chute went out too soon, they tried to save the drop but physics took over and they were on the wrong side of all the curves.
I was a test pilot at the TAC Airlift Center at Pope AFB, NC in the 60's and helped develop the LAPES system. The pilots rate of descent was too steep and failed to round out at the 3 to 5 ft wheel height. I had made couple of approaches and the wheels would touch the ground. If you round out to high, ( above 5 ft) the load would tumble after it left the aircraft. 3 to 5 ft give you room to control for the rapid change to CG when the load departed.
This is a horrible tragedy and to think it happened during a peaceful show. The crowd was probably very distracting unlike the open field drops the pilot is trained for.Not just the precision flying but the sudden decrease in aircraft weight makes this extremely dangerous for even the most experienced pilots.
I am no pilot but I sure wonder about the details of this accident. Do they make these drops "by the seat of their pants"? It sure seems to me they wouldn't and would rely on instruments for their approach. Not to say they wouldn't be looking out the window but I got to wonder if there was an instrument out of wack here. Like I said I don't know about millitary aircraft or procedure but my father used the instruments for his approach all the time in light aircraft.
there was a c-130 Crash on the dirt strip on Sicily* DZ that was repaired and flown the short distance to Pope AFB. It was attepmting a LAPES and crashed. I wonder if this was the same plane?
there was a c-130 Crash on the dirt strip on Syily DZ that was repaired and flown the short distance to Pope AFB. It was attepmting a LAPES and crashed. I wonder if this was the same plane?
I'd say the drogue deployed while the tank was still secured in the hold, slowing it (the aircraft) down rapidly and causing the sudden nose-down. In the first drop the drogue deploys very close to the ground - and probably after the cargo clamps have been released.
It sounds morbid, but if I had been filming this, I would have been focusing on the aircraft after the tank dropped - not on the tank! Mind you, I can see you had some other guys in front of you - plus the trees.
@deino117 The drogue chute IS supposed to deploy first, its attached to the towplate thats attached to the floor in the rear of the aircraft. There's a cable that runs from the towplate all the way up to the front of the aircraft and is plugged into a receptacle in the forward bulkhead. The drogue line is attached to a thing called an H block. The H block has 2 cylinders, one cylinder the drogue line goes around it and the other cylinder the line that deploys the 2 main chutes(cont.)
@deino117 (cont.) so basically the H block connects the drogue chutes and the main chutes, once the Nav hits the button the towplate ejects the H Block and the extraction phase goes into effect. The platform inside the plane it secured by a rail system that has locks that come in from the side and fit into detents in the rails of the platform, the locks are set to when a specific force is put on them they unlock and retract back into the aircrafts rail system as when the mains open and ...(cont)
@deino117 (cont)...apply they necessary force to overcome the locks. The total rigged weight of the sheridan that was dropped that day was 34,640 lbs, the day before when they did the practice runs all the LAPES were training loads supplied by my unit, 3rd MAPS, they weigh 10,999 lbs, the pilot did the same approach you see here in the video the day before, he did not compensate for the additional 23,641 lbs the day of the crash. The plane hit with so much force the platform ...(cont)
@deino117 (cont)...cut through the planes fuselage straight down to the ground, the mains were already doing they're job and the LAPES did what it was supposed to do but as for the aircraft as you can see there was just too much damage to it to recover and get back up in the air. There was an army humvee at the end of the LAPES zone with 2 guys filming the drop, they were run over. The aircraft went into a small ravine with small pine trees in it. I have been in the airdrop community.....(cont)
@deino117 ...(cont) since 1981, I grew up between Ft.Bragg and Pope AFB and have been watching airdrop my whole life, I was stationed at Pope after I graduated high school. There's alot more to this video that I am privy to but would rather not comment on, but on that day I lost two friends, they were loadmasters. I am still in the Airdrop business as a Senior Rigger in the Air Force.
@FrontsideGrinder1 You're obviously expert in this. I knew the drogue was supposed to deploy first - all I meant to say was that to me it just looked like it deployed while the aircraft was still too high.
Anyway thanks for the explanation - it's interesting stuff. And sorry about your friends.
@deino117 yeah the drogue came out at the right distance mark from the LAPES zone, thats on the Nav, altitude belongs to the pilot. We were all told to keep it hush hush until they released they're findings, I knew the instant I saw his approach that he was too high. One of the army troops with humvee survived and last I heard the co-pilot is still flying. Take care man.
man .... hmmm ... it is such a nice aircraft .... by 1987 they should know everything there is to know about flying C-130s ... it looks though as if he was flying real fast, what was the wind conditions around that airfield that day? There is some other factor involved here I can feel it ....
I think im going to agree with the guy that said the shoot was pulled too early and that caused the accident.. you can see the angle of attack is flawless until the shoot is deployed then it takes a steep dive, slams into the ground.. ouch
@talon - it was 23 years ago so my memory is a little hazy as to the fatalities. I remember though seeing it approach and the drone chute coming out with the plane being pretty high up and thinking that something was wrong.
I was there that day with C Co. 3/505 PIR. I was filming the CAPEX near LZ/DZ...will never forget that day. You could see cracks develop at the wing roots before the wings came off, and see the rear fuselage crack and split off as the plane skidded and spun down the strip
the extraction shoot was released to early pulling the plane down faster it wasnt the angle of attack. also both of the loadmasters died on the plane because they are not in seats during the drop
I was in the crowd that day watching. A few of us AMMO Troops that were stationed at the old base in Myrtle Beach....drove up that day for a fire power demonstration at the Bragg range...our A-10's were making Swiss Cheese of some old military equipment with the 30mm cannon. We went over to watch the rest of this show and saw this crash first hand!
I was part of this unit. I have a photo I took the day before when this whole show was done for military and civilian VIPs.(We did another the day after the crash too, they just moved the LAPES strip farther out from the crowd. It was aborted) In my photo, he was high and when the tank exited, it hit hard and dug in, but survived. It is possible he was "counseled" and advised to make the next one, the one for the public that ended up crashing, more "appealing". Brass has a way of doing that.
I was there as a cadet in advanced camp, I did not see the crash, but went later to the sight, good Americans doing what a higher power order us to do.guard our country rest in peace
I was in the stands when this happened. I was in infrantryman in the 82nd and had friends visiting so we went to Sicily DZ where the CAPEX was taking place.
The crew of the c-130 was killed as were 2 soldiers that were sleeping in the wood-line in their Humvee when the plane hit them. Perhaps the worst luck in the world.
@prgrnll sorry wrong / dead were the pilot, navigator, two loadmasters and an 82nd AB soldier on the ground / survivors were the co-pilot and flight engineer but they were pretty well screwed up
The U.S. military didn't cut THIS footage in honor of the deceased NOW DID THEY?!?!?
macsdestroypcs 5 days ago
rest in peace
exerminator2000 5 days ago
@Snooperking, no, that is the old school VHS video recording quality. Grainy and spotty. Video recording technology has come a long way since this was taken.
Sad about the crew. That is the nature of the beast though when you do a dangerous maneuver like that though. Looks like he came in too hot from too high an altitude and couldn't overcome the inertia pushing down. Gravity is a real b**** sometimes.
May these brave Men rest in peace.
AflacMan13 1 week ago
at 0:15 is it being shot at when its coming down???
Snooperking 1 month ago
rip
generalchip 2 months ago
rip
oldfart387 3 months ago
Only British have the skills LLD's (check redflag games)
06dempc 3 months ago
At least, the tank was ok.
ienes2 4 months ago
American flying at its best!!
27thlegion 4 months ago
@27thlegion STFU THAT SHIT AINT FUNNY PEOPLE DIED AND YOU TRY TO MAKE A JOKE OF IT?? YOU GOT FUCKING MENTAL ISSUES
boot358 2 months ago
@boot358 they are american so they deserved you wanker
27thlegion 2 months ago
@27thlegion Oh wow, a reply by a kangaroo, thats really funny right there. Hey, here's an idea 27thdoucher, how about living in a country that can actually make there own aircraft instead of buying them from so other country.
jimgreene68 2 months ago
@27thlegion so just cuz there american??? i hope you burn you damn pig
boot358 2 months ago
@boot358 mate American soldiers deserve no respect... in Iraq they were responsible for the deaths of 500,000 plus Iraqis as well as the countless victims of their "War for Oil" in Afghanistan (that was the war in Iraq too)
27thlegion 2 months ago
@27thlegion LOL man oh man you must be in trapped in your little world have ever heard of the phrase "aint war hell" yeah war isn't suppose to be pretty PEOPLE die and if you go look at the history of any war and you would find all of them to have civilian deaths and plus we didnt kill all those people you damn lunatic terrorist make have blown up buildings full of civilians but yet you say were the bad guys LMAO did we save your country in WW2?
boot358 2 months ago
@boot358 well america invaded iraq for oil their official reason was no better. plus Iraqis are worse off now than they were before america illegally invaded. Not to mention iraq did not support terrorists. America did not save Australia in ww2 you douche... we beat the Japanese on the Kokoda (Australia was outnumbered 10-1 and we only had militia) but we still won and Japan was not going to invade without New-Guinea Americans were supposed to help there but the marines that did land ran away.
27thlegion 2 months ago
@27thlegion okay umm dude never in my life have i heard of marines running away you have your info wrong unless you can show me proof that marines did supposedly "run away" and mot mention we have been in a fights wayyyyy wost then that we been through the British back then when we were goin to become our own country we have been through the alamo even tho it was a loss they stood for nearly two weeks against the mexicans who clearly out numbered the texians we have fought in iwo
boot358 2 months ago
@27thlegion and normandy
boot358 2 months ago
@boot358 oh normandy was heroic... by the end of June Germany had only 300,000 men there and the allies had 1.3million...
27thlegion 2 months ago
@27thlegion yes it was the germans out gunned the americans and the allies and the fact that when the boats came and opened there doors there was a high possibility that there would be a wall of lead waiting for them alot of men died that day to end germanys reign of terror and you just throw numbers at me? numbers dont determine courage blood sweat and determination does
boot358 2 months ago
@27thlegion Not even coming from an american, i'm just defending them because your logic is flawed, has it ever occured to you that had the americans not attacked the japanese they would've been able to commit alot more forces and equipement to attack and invade australia?
DisturbedForever92 2 months ago
@DisturbedForever92 you do realise that when we fought the japanese a majority of our troops were around australia in defence or in the middle east... not to mention US soldiers were the worst trained in the entire war.... we may not have been the best (Aus) but our determination pushes us up the list to be near the top... Australia was the first country to beat the Japanese on land, the Germans on land, the Italians on land and the Vichy French on land. anway we actually had several plans
27thlegion 2 months ago
@DisturbedForever92 for the defence of australia,
27thlegion 2 months ago
@27thlegion I just find it stupid when people are all trying to claim who won the war, no one won the war by itself, it was a combined effort by all the allies and Russia, Sure you had plans, bu the IJN was far superior so the Australian Navy as the time, without the help from the USN, they could've blockaded Australia
DisturbedForever92 2 months ago
@DisturbedForever92 going to blockade thousands upon thousands of kilometres of coastline? i think not, not to mention australia was fairly self sufficient... i didn't say we won the war alone i was saying that the australian army was one of the best... Russia is down the bottom due to them just using human waves... Germany and Japan take the top for many reasons mainly training
27thlegion 2 months ago
@boot358 and would those 500,00 iraqis have died if america had no illegally invaded their country
27thlegion 2 months ago
I was also there at the end where the staff seargent was in the hummer . it was pilot error .. The drone chute deployed too soon making the pilot have to compensate .. when he pointed the nose down the sherman tank shifted back to the front and he was unable to overcome the weight shift making him hit the ground hard which in turn broke the rear of the plane .. i saw his face he knew he did'nt have enough room to stop.. sad day . the 2 who survived were found in the wood's . thrown from the tail
Dartshuter 4 months ago
the rigth wing broke off first, just popped off.
nolifemerc 4 months ago
Anyone know what happened to the video from the other camera at 0:37?
f00barbob 4 months ago
I was one of the soldiers guarding the equipment at the far right end of the bleachers. It was like everything happened in slow motion, and then the plane hit the woodline and exploded. The heat was unreal. I was about 200 meters closer to the explosion than the cameraman, and as we all turned and started running away from the flames, I heard a woman scream out that her husband was on the plane. I'll never forget that day.
ksfoster7968 4 months ago
You can see right from the start of it's descent, that it isn't going to pull up in time.
theantiantichrist 4 months ago
the C-130 is a tragedy .........
DEVASTATOR478 4 months ago
I am not convinced this was pilot error, although the military is the first to blame the pilot in order to protect equipment vendors from lawsuits. What I see here is that the pilot was compensating for the shift in center of mass that occurs as the tank is sliding out from the rear (by pointing the nose down). There could have been an unusual delay from the expected timing of the slide-and-release and the actual timing, which caused the pilot to lower the nose at the wrong time and crash
DontBelieveJewsNews 5 months ago
@DontBelieveJewsNews Retired USAF C-130 guy here, and this was pilot error. The crew was behind on their checklist and should have gone around. But this was a demo and they didn't want to screw up. With the runway threshold fast approaching the pilot elected to go for it but too late for a normal descent. and he shoved the nose over wanting to get his LAPES drop in front of the crowd. He was to blame, and there's not a C-130 pilot out there who ever disagreed.
steindaddie 3 months ago
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DontBelieveJewsNews 5 months ago
I was there when this happened. I was in the 82nd Airborne and parachuted out of C-130's and C-141's
1caloco11 5 months ago
The plane made touch-and-stay instead of touch-and-go. But then again, that happens if you try to do dangerous maneuvers when you don't have to.
GundamDR 5 months ago
My dad brought me to see this 3 days before my 6th birthday. I remember this event like it happened yesterday. Since this day I have not gone to another air show...even when I myself was active duty in the Air Force...I just can't bring myself to go to one.
servinggodandfamily 5 months ago
It pooped
1kelseysmith 5 months ago
Guys don't be mean boys the plane exploded
eatmyballs 5 months ago
@ least they got the armor outa the plane.....Mission accomplished, to bad they wont be able to repeat it.
chiefBarbose 5 months ago
I was the S-3 driver and parked in the woodline at the end of the FLS, dude was asleep in the vehicle at the end of the FLS, doubt he knew what hit him.
dan28301 6 months ago
my wife and i was at the top of the stands at the end where the plane explodeded
WMFD3 6 months ago
Well, the tanks ok anyway
dave2kgti 7 months ago
I was on the ground as this happened. I still have a picture of me and my best friend from the News paper, running our asses off because we thought everyone in the stands were about to become toast. It was a sad friggin day!
KZIGGYZIG 7 months ago
@COWCLAN1000 A shit pilot wouldn't be piloting a military plane during a public display of new military air-dropping techniques. Humans make mistakes and this fella made a fatal mistake, it looks like he started going down too late and was apparently trying to compensate it by doing a "steep" or whatever you call it landing, which screwed up in the end. Everyone makes mistakes, mister pro pilot.
Ricokz 7 months ago
@SzwarcuPL nay, thou.
KethamBodds 8 months ago
@SzwarcuPL nope.avi. It's the saddest story I ever heard.
KethamBodds 8 months ago
@SzwarcuPL it's not a game, and I'm not a tree. I know my sense of reality, thank you. Lighten up, good sir.
KethamBodds 8 months ago
Looks like me piloting a plane in BF2.
KethamBodds 8 months ago
the pilot looked like he fell asleep... and woke up right before it smashed into the ground.
leredsock 8 months ago
Well, at least the supply drop went successfully!
tornadomad 11 months ago
what happened to everyone on the plane after it disentegrated
EV1DEN5E 11 months ago 4
@EV1DEN5E . The airplane skidded some 1000 yards down a dirt runway and struck a military vehicle, killing an Army soldier. Six on board and four were killed.
mollyisagooddog 11 months ago 10
@mollyisagooddog The pilot, co pilot and navigator all died as the plane broke up and became a fireball. The loadmasters and jumpmasters ran out the back as it was skidding and got burnt pretty bad but survived. It was a gruesome day on the dz.
sharkb8er 8 months ago
Looks like that first drag chute deployed too soon. I suspect that caused the CG ( Center of Cravity ) to shift at the worst possible time, I'd bet my left nut that both Pilot and Co-pilot just about damn near pulled thier shoulders out of thier sockets pulling so hard before impact. In the first vid, it takes at least 9 seconds for that load to clear the aircraft, and that was when it was with the nose at or nearly above the horizon.
Phartzandbelch 1 week ago
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Phartzandbelch 1 week ago
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In the second vid, that sucker has the the drag chute out, nose down and dropping altitude, and only about 6 seconds before leveling out. It took 3 more seconds for that load to clear the plane instraight and level flight alone. Now youre nosediving, hell I bet they even did a -g or two for a moment trying to get down once that chute came out early.I think that chute went out too soon, they tried to save the drop but physics took over and they were on the wrong side of all the curves.
Phartzandbelch 1 week ago
I was a test pilot at the TAC Airlift Center at Pope AFB, NC in the 60's and helped develop the LAPES system. The pilots rate of descent was too steep and failed to round out at the 3 to 5 ft wheel height. I had made couple of approaches and the wheels would touch the ground. If you round out to high, ( above 5 ft) the load would tumble after it left the aircraft. 3 to 5 ft give you room to control for the rapid change to CG when the load departed.
Oldwhit5703 11 months ago
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This is a horrible tragedy and to think it happened during a peaceful show. The crowd was probably very distracting unlike the open field drops the pilot is trained for.Not just the precision flying but the sudden decrease in aircraft weight makes this extremely dangerous for even the most experienced pilots.
eldiablo68 11 months ago
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eldiablo68 11 months ago
u can c the wings bounce
MrDontpissmeoff777 11 months ago
At least the tank got out.
9DrX9 11 months ago 3
And I hear people ask "I wonder why they don't do LAPES drops anymore?"
adef187 11 months ago
like a big fat guy falling of the sky
522164935 11 months ago
This happened on the day I was born =O
CyReNiUsX 11 months ago
Its harder to do when people are watching
BubbleGumNipples 1 year ago
I am no pilot but I sure wonder about the details of this accident. Do they make these drops "by the seat of their pants"? It sure seems to me they wouldn't and would rely on instruments for their approach. Not to say they wouldn't be looking out the window but I got to wonder if there was an instrument out of wack here. Like I said I don't know about millitary aircraft or procedure but my father used the instruments for his approach all the time in light aircraft.
shizzle5150 1 year ago
@shizzle5150 99% of accidents are pilot error and he just waited to long to level off
piloty5 1 year ago
Did it become down for both Tank and plane?
myo007 1 year ago
He was getting road head and came right as he landed thus he hit the stick out of excitment and crashed
xBABYxKICKERx 1 year ago
might be part of the reason they don't do this technique anymore and retired the sheridan.
biukucanoe 1 year ago
there was a c-130 Crash on the dirt strip on Sicily* DZ that was repaired and flown the short distance to Pope AFB. It was attepmting a LAPES and crashed. I wonder if this was the same plane?
MOJONIXION 1 year ago
there was a c-130 Crash on the dirt strip on Syily DZ that was repaired and flown the short distance to Pope AFB. It was attepmting a LAPES and crashed. I wonder if this was the same plane?
MOJONIXION 1 year ago
lol i just played world in conflict
and in that game they drop of tanks from in the air not low on the ground.
TheDarklord0211 1 year ago
I'd say the drogue deployed while the tank was still secured in the hold, slowing it (the aircraft) down rapidly and causing the sudden nose-down. In the first drop the drogue deploys very close to the ground - and probably after the cargo clamps have been released.
It sounds morbid, but if I had been filming this, I would have been focusing on the aircraft after the tank dropped - not on the tank! Mind you, I can see you had some other guys in front of you - plus the trees.
deino117 1 year ago
@deino117 The drogue chute IS supposed to deploy first, its attached to the towplate thats attached to the floor in the rear of the aircraft. There's a cable that runs from the towplate all the way up to the front of the aircraft and is plugged into a receptacle in the forward bulkhead. The drogue line is attached to a thing called an H block. The H block has 2 cylinders, one cylinder the drogue line goes around it and the other cylinder the line that deploys the 2 main chutes(cont.)
FrontsideGrinder1 1 year ago
@deino117 (cont.) so basically the H block connects the drogue chutes and the main chutes, once the Nav hits the button the towplate ejects the H Block and the extraction phase goes into effect. The platform inside the plane it secured by a rail system that has locks that come in from the side and fit into detents in the rails of the platform, the locks are set to when a specific force is put on them they unlock and retract back into the aircrafts rail system as when the mains open and ...(cont)
FrontsideGrinder1 1 year ago
@deino117 (cont)...apply they necessary force to overcome the locks. The total rigged weight of the sheridan that was dropped that day was 34,640 lbs, the day before when they did the practice runs all the LAPES were training loads supplied by my unit, 3rd MAPS, they weigh 10,999 lbs, the pilot did the same approach you see here in the video the day before, he did not compensate for the additional 23,641 lbs the day of the crash. The plane hit with so much force the platform ...(cont)
FrontsideGrinder1 1 year ago
@deino117 (cont)...cut through the planes fuselage straight down to the ground, the mains were already doing they're job and the LAPES did what it was supposed to do but as for the aircraft as you can see there was just too much damage to it to recover and get back up in the air. There was an army humvee at the end of the LAPES zone with 2 guys filming the drop, they were run over. The aircraft went into a small ravine with small pine trees in it. I have been in the airdrop community.....(cont)
FrontsideGrinder1 1 year ago
@deino117 ...(cont) since 1981, I grew up between Ft.Bragg and Pope AFB and have been watching airdrop my whole life, I was stationed at Pope after I graduated high school. There's alot more to this video that I am privy to but would rather not comment on, but on that day I lost two friends, they were loadmasters. I am still in the Airdrop business as a Senior Rigger in the Air Force.
FrontsideGrinder1 1 year ago
@FrontsideGrinder1 You're obviously expert in this. I knew the drogue was supposed to deploy first - all I meant to say was that to me it just looked like it deployed while the aircraft was still too high.
Anyway thanks for the explanation - it's interesting stuff. And sorry about your friends.
deino117 1 year ago
@deino117 yeah the drogue came out at the right distance mark from the LAPES zone, thats on the Nav, altitude belongs to the pilot. We were all told to keep it hush hush until they released they're findings, I knew the instant I saw his approach that he was too high. One of the army troops with humvee survived and last I heard the co-pilot is still flying. Take care man.
FrontsideGrinder1 1 year ago
damn... that must have hurt......
Zombiesnax 1 year ago
the chute was deployed to soon......
yankee22167 1 year ago
at least he delivered the tank :D
killerofporn 1 year ago
.at 30 secs.. that, and the slightly rising ground. How bout that wing flex on the bounce? sheeeet they can handle a bit eh??
ellzyss 1 year ago
sorry bastard
mochabear88 1 year ago
man .... hmmm ... it is such a nice aircraft .... by 1987 they should know everything there is to know about flying C-130s ... it looks though as if he was flying real fast, what was the wind conditions around that airfield that day? There is some other factor involved here I can feel it ....
MajSolo 1 year ago
fucking cameraman was in the way
ninjasquirrelsrock 1 year ago
I think im going to agree with the guy that said the shoot was pulled too early and that caused the accident.. you can see the angle of attack is flawless until the shoot is deployed then it takes a steep dive, slams into the ground.. ouch
robnox 1 year ago
Bullshit diddnt pull up in time! The fusalage snapped in half, you can see it if you pause at 0:32
GageAndrist13 1 year ago
holy shit, those wings were flapping like a god damn Bird!
kookaburrakookaburra 1 year ago
That was more terrific in: LIVE. I was there. It looked like so BAD.
MrTheCSfan 1 year ago
@MrTheCSfan What the fuck do you mean "more terrific"? Asshole.
EETech 1 year ago
@talon - it was 23 years ago so my memory is a little hazy as to the fatalities. I remember though seeing it approach and the drone chute coming out with the plane being pretty high up and thinking that something was wrong.
prgrnll 1 year ago
I was there that day with C Co. 3/505 PIR. I was filming the CAPEX near LZ/DZ...will never forget that day. You could see cracks develop at the wing roots before the wings came off, and see the rear fuselage crack and split off as the plane skidded and spun down the strip
crabbyj 1 year ago
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crabbyj 1 year ago
at least the cargo was delivered safley...
slippp40 1 year ago
@slippp40 get bent moron 5 men died
talon55130 1 year ago
LMFAO!!!!!!!
TheRingChick69 1 year ago
the extraction shoot was released to early pulling the plane down faster it wasnt the angle of attack. also both of the loadmasters died on the plane because they are not in seats during the drop
jiro707 1 year ago
@TheRingChick69 You're a fucking asshole. Nothing funny about this at all.
EETech 1 year ago
I was in the crowd that day watching. A few of us AMMO Troops that were stationed at the old base in Myrtle Beach....drove up that day for a fire power demonstration at the Bragg range...our A-10's were making Swiss Cheese of some old military equipment with the 30mm cannon. We went over to watch the rest of this show and saw this crash first hand!
LorenPGMR 1 year ago 17
I was part of this unit. I have a photo I took the day before when this whole show was done for military and civilian VIPs.(We did another the day after the crash too, they just moved the LAPES strip farther out from the crowd. It was aborted) In my photo, he was high and when the tank exited, it hit hard and dug in, but survived. It is possible he was "counseled" and advised to make the next one, the one for the public that ended up crashing, more "appealing". Brass has a way of doing that.
palehorse25 1 year ago
@LorenPGMR ha you say it like its a good thing
rocklobster665 1 year ago
poor guys
gadduste 1 year ago
how can someone survive that, especially when youre in the plane?
105Raptor 1 year ago
holly shit ifeel so bad
chrie1000 1 year ago
Holly Crap...
YiannisThiakos 2 years ago
dont worry the object was to get the tank out of the plain well did we sucseed?
yup
ok then well put this down as a succsess
jacob1189 2 years ago
the pilot came down at to steep an angle, so therefore could not pull up in time. It was pilot error rather than anything else.
Hitman2K7Shadow 2 years ago 40
@Hitman2K7Shadow as it usually is
ellzyss 1 year ago
@Hitman2K7Shadow no he just waited to long to pull back
piloty5 1 year ago
@Hitman2K7Shadow No sh$t cpt obvious
Sevival 11 months ago
@Hitman2K7Shadow I actually thought that parachute deployed and the tank got stuck inside so the chute kind of slowed the plane down, or not?
thecompactt 5 months ago
someone got fired
iShot4fun 2 years ago
I was there as a cadet in advanced camp, I did not see the crash, but went later to the sight, good Americans doing what a higher power order us to do.guard our country rest in peace
quirimonkey 2 years ago
The Co-pilot and Flt. Engineer survived.
mwales2112 2 years ago
I was in the stands when this happened. I was in infrantryman in the 82nd and had friends visiting so we went to Sicily DZ where the CAPEX was taking place.
The crew of the c-130 was killed as were 2 soldiers that were sleeping in the wood-line in their Humvee when the plane hit them. Perhaps the worst luck in the world.
prgrnll 2 years ago
@prgrnll sorry wrong / dead were the pilot, navigator, two loadmasters and an 82nd AB soldier on the ground / survivors were the co-pilot and flight engineer but they were pretty well screwed up
talon55130 1 year ago