SALVATION 6 - Fred Williams Minister in the Church of Christ

[RobertBaral365]

Death from the sky, you won't survive. Dark clouds will fill the skies. Vaporizing all your prayers, burning them away. A funeral held for the lies of christanity. All humanity will soon learn, That jesus christ shall never return. Final day of christianity. Leviathan rises from the raging sea. Seize power and glory, Lucifer is calling. I am Satan, master of the Earth. Condemn your souls for all theyre worth. You will bow down and worship me. I am your savior for all eternity.

[PreacherAllen]

Keep up the good work, love your preaching!!!!

[slherron]

Godsperspective, did the minister say that you have to be filled with the Holy Ghost in order to be saved?

[zkueker88]

Yes, but the issue is that they were already saved before ever touching the water. In fact, these people were speaking in tongues and glorifying God before getting wet. This simply isn't an exception. It is a reality.

[godsperspective]

If they were saved already, how come Peter baptized them in water in Jesus name. Jesus commanded His men to baptized, in order to make disciples(Matthew-28:18-19, Mark-16:15-16, Acts-22:16). The apostle Paul had his sins washed away in baptism.

[zkueker88]

Why would he not baptize them? It a covenantal sign of what has already taken place. Here's the logic you're giving me: "Hey, look, they got baptized. Therefore, it's necessary."

[zkueker88]

If you understand that baptism is a covenant sign, then you can see that it is a representation of the reality of Christ circumcising our hearts (Rom. 2:29; Col. 2:11-12). It is our outward proclamation of the inward spiritual blessing of regeneration. It comes after faith which is a gift of God (Rom. 12:3) and the work of God (John 6:28).

[godsperspective]

According to Matthew 28:18-19, is a disciple made apart from baptism? In Mark-16:16, is a person saved before they are baptized? In Galatians- 3:27, is a person in Christ before they are baptized? In Col.-2:11-12, at what point does circumsion take place,before baptism or during baptism. In Col.2:11-12,at what point is a person buried and raised up? Before baptism or during baptism?

[zkueker88]

I haven't addressed Rom. 2:29; Col. 2:11-12; Rom. 12:3; John 6:28. One thing we have to be careful about is setting the inspired word of God against itself. We don't want that, and that's not the way to do it.

[zkueker88]

Correction: *you haven't...

[jclassy]

It's ironic that u mention setting the inspired word of God against itself as not being the way to do it, and then turn around and do exactly just that when trying to make your point in the comment you just made. The scriptures u gave aren't harmonious with one another at all so what you're tryin to do is put the puzzle pieces together in the wrong spots. Make your position clear.

[jclassy]

Very good job. Keep up the good work!

[godsperspective]

In 1Corinthians-15:1-4 a person is saved by the gospel of Christ. That is His death, burial, and ressurrection. In Romans-6:1-4, a person is baptized into Christ's death, burial, and ressurrection. So even though the Spirit came upon them, they still had to be baptized in water in Jeus name. Obeying the gospel.

[zkueker88]

If water baptism is necessary in order to be saved, then what about those in Acts 10:44 (please see my video on baptism)?

[purduekenn]

Acts 10 is the first account of Gentile salvation so the Holy Spirit fell on them to show the Jews that Gentiles could be saved. Acts10:45 all the circumcised believers were amazed and Peter ordered them to be baptized Acts10:48 for salvation. They were baptized for the forgiveness of sins like Acts2:38