Debating a creationist is degrading to reasonable people. They lack the standing to debate one such as myself. I would no more argue with someone who thought the Moon was made of Cheese. It's like an annoying dog trying to hump your leg. The more you try to shake it off, the harder it humps. In the end, the dog runs off and licks it's own ass and you got the dog's Jizz on your leg.
I believe in the Constitution and I believe in Christianity.
I believe in Christianity very much but I don't believe it should be shoved down other people's throats as Mr.Paul said. My moral beliefs and fibers are mine and yours are yours. If you are truly against pushing religion or things of that nature onto other people then you should support Ron Paul.
@TheMcgreary I don't condone or support all religions so please stop trying to whitewash it as "religion" since religion is a very general term used by people who don't understand the difference between different religions. Btw my religion doesn't condone homosexuality and just because some of the priests bishops and archbishops are pedophiles that has nothing to do with the religion itself in the same way some darwinists are homosexuals or pedophiles.
@Helge129 There is no such thing as a born homosexual. That is depopulation propaganda aimed at making people think that homosexuality is cool, good or something that should be encouraged. Homosexuality is purely by choice. Hormones etc can lead a person down a path of homosexuality though and the government has been caught countless times putting hormones in food drinking water etc and in their drugs. Today's society has so much homosexuality because of that and society encourages it.
@JamesRideout123 For one, it happens in ALL animals that aren't hemaphrodites, secondly, I know several homosexuals, not one of them "chose" to be homosexual.
@Helge129 "Homosexuality is perfectly natural" Erm no is is'nt. There is a reason why there are two genders and as JamesRideout explained, Homosexuality is solely by choice, A man was natrually designed to have sex with a Women not with another man. Now explain to me, what would happen if the entire Human race was gay?. Yes there would ne no future generations.
@TheMcgreary I don't condone or support all religions so please stop trying to whitewash it as "religion" since religion is a very general term used by people who don't understand the difference between different religions. Btw my religion doesn't condone homosexuality and just because some of the priests bishops and archbishops are pedophiles that has nothing to do with the religion itself in the same way some darwinists are homosexuals or pedophiles.
The beauty about debating a creationist is if you know evolution pretty well it is an argument you can never lose. Creationists are outlandishly hubris to think they can dispell the most factual theory in science -- along side gravity -- without any testing or objective studying on the matter.
@Patience1138 yeah, that's sort of what we talk about when we discuss evolution. I don't want to have to type anything in addition when I adress the subject. Why is it crap?
@MrNicMachiavelli Evolution is the observed phenomenon of change over time. It's about as verifiable as it gets! However, Darwinian Evolution involves more fanciful extrapolation than actual grounded fact.
@Patience1138 I hope you realize that darwininian evolution was proposed by darwin and only was proposed because of the lack of evidenve he had back then
@KyuubiNaruto1337XD Yes! Exactly! So why are we still trying to push it today? There's no point! No one with any kind of scientific background could even think to reject evolution, but what's the point in continuing to push Darwinian evolution? Honestly, I think THAT is what creationists hate so much. Evolution is fine; Darwinian Evolution is just too much for any rational person to swallow.
People....... do not bother arguing with sentry221 as he is beyond us in terms of being a brainwashed, indoctrinated fool. I would recommend not ti waste your time trying to talk sense and logic to this small minded fool aka a christian.
You egotistical fuckin' dickhead, what the hell makes you think this guy would spend anytime at all reading the boring ass comments on your profile page. In fact what makes you think anyone, your lame fucking groupies aside, could give a shit less about what you write?
Not to stay totally off topic, let me say that the bible is a nice book, it is however nothing more than fiction.
Extreme self-absorption is a mental disorder, it's called Sociopathy .
"The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense."
Uuhh. I think the Bible has a much better explanation…
Please listen closely to what the Bible says regarding this very thing:
“For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” Rom 1:20
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” John 3:36
Please accept Jesus today as your Lord and Savior if you want salvation.
all of you people have serious issues with spelling....if you are going to broadcast your thoughts to the world.. I mean, come on, spell-check is relatively common on most internet interfaces....
@MrCobra811 As a boy, I was very religious. I even wanted to be a priest. I listened to my priest. One day, I decided to read the bible from front to cover. The old testament was so contrary to the loving God that I was made to believe in that within thirty seconds of reading the old testament, I was an atheist. I was biased. I was biased in favor of religion. I just didn't think religion made any sense. So I left it. My life has never been better.
If the universe developed from a single atom, or particle, where did that particle come from in the first place? Should we assume that particle has been in existence from eternity? If not, and that particle appeared from nothing, doesn't that defy the laws of science?
Hey, kiddos, want to see a fairy tale that adults really believe? Google whale evolution and go watch a 7 minutes video on the PBS web site that shows how an ancient 200 pound wolf searched for food along the beach, wander out into the surf, and morphed (evolved) into a 100 ton whale. There is nothing scientific about it, but nonetheless, this is the fairy tale that some adults really believe! Especially comical are the nostrils migrating to the top of the head to become a blow hole!
You guys are idiots. How else would of the world been created? There is only one explanation....GOD! The all and mighty god Created the world and the people who live upon it. But i bet your religion is to stupid to realize it. oh wait...
@MacRief How can the duped atheists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh How can the duped christians delute themselves and believe it was just told to exist by an extreme complex creature that apparently came to exit by an necessarily even more unlikely event.
@MacRief How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
@MacRief Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere ***nature—nature*** which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
@MacRief Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
@1tabligh So what would you say to Father George Coyne a very highly respected member of the vadican when he told you that he un-doubtedly believes in evolution? I havn't followed all your post so i have been able to acess weather you believe in evolution or not or weather you believe in evolution but hold a creator responsible.
@theELUSIV Many new questions in regard to almost every principle mentioned by Darwin have arisen. For example, it is asked whether the appearance of a new organ or for that matter any other organic change, always results from the use of that organ and the attempt to adapt it to one's environment or it may be due to mutation or any other cause?
The acquired qualities are hereditable as a principle or genetic investigations have rejected this theory?
The organic changes, whatever may be their cause, are always aimed at survival and evolution or sometimes they may be due to the inconsistency with the environmental conditions and may culminate in death and extinction?
Natural selection is or is not like artificial selection which leads the existing generation to evolution?
also can u please fill me in on a "Deluded Athiest"?
To say athiest look at the world with both eyes closed is plain arogance. They just look at the world from a different perspective that religious folk & creationst.
But you said "Deluded athiest" in your statement. what is the difference please??
@1tabligh Another religious that cannot stand the ignorance. One the of the main difference between you and atheists, is that we are able to say ''We don't know'' while you using your god to fill the gasp in your world. How the fuck do you expect ANYBODY to have the answers to ALL the questions?? And such terms as ''all the questions'' is a stupid thing for the simple reason that there are no limits to the amount of questions the human can ask.
@MacRief Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
@1tabligh They (the atheists) have a perfect explanation, they will show you a 6 page equation, starting with numbers arbitrarily chosen by . . you guessed it . . atheists. Then when you can't make heads or tails out of their math they'll tell you, "just trust me, this mathematical model explains everything." Yea...right.
@tripleJ1955 Why, then, are the mathematical propositions distinguished from other propositions by absolute necessary certainty?
Further, we do not admit that all mathematical propositions are analytic and an extension of the principle 'Four is four'. How could the truth stating 'The diameter is always shorter than the circumference' be an analytic proposition?
Are 'shortness' and 'circumference' included in the notion of 'diameter'? And is 'diameter' another expression for the statement, 'The diameter is a diameter'?
Still, it remains for us to study one point concerning the rational doctrine namely, that if the primary information is rational and necessary, then how is it possible to explain its absence in human beings at the beginning [of their existence], and their acquisition of it at a later date?
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped and brainwashed atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh Matter is not you're creator, it is what you are composed of. A lego house was not created by legos. It is made out of them.
Calling us atheists brainwashed is frankly ridiculous. I do not wish to offend you, but isn't the phrase "A mystical man who has just always been here created the universe" a little more ridiculous than scientific theory.
@micahjava We can raise precisely the same objection against the atheists and ask them, "If we follow the chain of causality back, we will ultimately reach the primary cause. Let us say that cause is not God, but matter. Tell us who created primary matter. You who believe in the law of causality, answer us Ws: if matter is the ultimate cause of all things, what is the cause of matter?
You say that the source of all phenomena is matter-energy; what is the cause and origin of matter-energy?"
@1tabligh I say that I do not know. We do not cite matter as the maker of matter. Matter and energy do cause most phenomena.
You (most likely) say that your God created matter and energy. I must ask you the following questions. Who created your God? If your God exists, then he is made of matter. Therefor, for matter to be created by your God, matter must have already existed. That is a paradox of all paradoxes.
His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
If in the course of developing the argument of the orderliness of the universe we attempt to prove the existence of a maker similar to the human maker, the divine maker will, in reality, also be a created being on the level of man; proving the existence of such a maker is an entirely different matter from proving the existence of the Maker and Creator of all being.
The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him; and that god, if he is preceded by non-existence, would need another god and so on. Thus, we would have an endless chain of gods without reaching a **causeless cause** to be the source of the existence of the universe.
Then we have to deny the existence of the universe. We would also have to deny ourselves because we are a part of the universe.
@mic...In just the same way that atheist regards matter as eternal, believers in God attribute eternity to God. Belief in an eternal being is then common to materialist and religious philosophers: both groups agree that there is a primary cause, but believers in God regard the primary cause as wise, all-knowing, and possessing the power of decision and will, whereas in the view of the materialists, the primary cause has neither consciousness, intelligence, perception, nor the power of decision.
Thus, the removal of God in no way solves the problem posed by eternal being.
Moreover, matter is the locus for motion and change, and its motion is dynamic and situated within its own essence. Now, essential motion is incompatible with eternity, and matter and essential stability are two mutually exclusive categories that cannot be fused in a single locus.
But you say to yourself: I cannot do that because I am here. Then you have to say: God is there.
From a scientific point of view, the self-origination of matter is impossible; the theory that the material world is constantly evolving and advancing toward higher states is clearly contradictory to scientific data and the realities of nature. All development and motion in the mineral realm is due either to the intervention of a will external to matter or to attraction, interchange,
"Do they imagine that they've been created without any cause, or do they suppose that they are their own creators?" The Quran (52:36) "Have they created the heavens and the earth ? They have no certain belief in what they say" (52:37) Do they have a Lord other than God? No, it is not so; God is exalted above the partners they ascribe to him." (52:43) "Glorified be He in Whose hand is all sovereignty and Who has power over all things." (67:1)
Since the chain of causality cannot recede into infinity, they can answer only that matter is an eternal and timeless entity for which no beginning can be posited: matter is non-created, has no beginning or end, and its being arises from within its own nature.
This means that the materialists accept the principle of eternity and non-origination; they believe that all things arose out of eternal matter and that being arises from within the very nature of matter, without any need for a creator.
@tripleJ1955 "arbitrarily chosen" you just proved how inept you are in math, they're not some random numbers picked by the person writing the equation. Example: E=mc2 (E=energy; m=mass c=speed of light; 2=squared) or V=D/T (velocity is egual to distance over time) sub in any number do the math it will work out. Einstein did not just make up numbers neither does anyone respected scientist. You do not just write an equation and poof its accepted, it has to be tried and tested.
@lordrazr Determining someones ineptitude in any discipline, based on a 2 word phrase shows off you're own ineptitude in judging others. Now, I don't buy creationism in any form, but like I said to taiwanoob, I can't trust that any equation can determine with certainty, what took place over 13 billion yrs ago. How can you "try and test" events that took place so many eons ago? Certainly not empirically.
Sorry you didn't recognize the melodramatic nature of my earlier hypothetical post..
@tripleJ1955 Obviously empirical evidence is absolutely necessary to validate the truth of a claim. However the validity of a theory can not be considered as invalid due to a person not being able to comprehend the mathematical concepts.
@taiwanoob "the validity of a theory can not be considered as invalid due to a person not being able to comprehend the mathematical concepts"
I understand the basic constructs and principles of scientific theory via mathematics, at the end of the day however, the result is still theoretical, which has been my point all along. Scientific theories are often presented as factual and that's what bugs me. I don't have all the answers, hell I don't even know all the questions, but I'm cool with it.
@tripleJ1955 scientific theories are often presented as factual because of the difference in the scientific meaning of the word theory and the colloquial meaning. an idea which is supported by a preponderance of evidence, which has been observed and can be observed and for which no evidence exists to refute it is what science calls a theory and what most people call a fact.
@tripleJ1955 The level of theory does in fact require an idea to be demonstrably factual, based in numerous tests, each of which could have refuted the idea, if the idea were non-factual. In fact, theory is the highest level of knowledge in science. Gravitational theory is a fact. Electromagnetic theory is a fact. Evolutionary theory is a fact. All have been observed and corroborated. Usually theories are more than one fact, in fact. Don't confuse colloquial theory with scientific theory.
@Enginmaster I get that , I really do. In fact I'm a supporter of evolutionary theory, at least when relegated to microevolution. However, it is my belief that there exists certain phenomena that are simply beyond the realm of theoretical explication, especially in ontology.
@tripleJ1955 "I get that , I really do. " Really, you do? Then why are you under the misapprehension that there is a difference between microevolution and macroevolution. Only scientific illiterates could think of that. It's fine that you believe that there's stuff beyond what the evidence shows, but to say you know what it is is ,by definition, baseless. Scientific theories being presented as fact would not bug you if you knew what scientific theory meant.
@tripleJ1955 The two people above me have tried to explain it with to you with rational explanations. However, I'm going to be frank with you. In science, MATH > Everything, except empirical observation. MATH > Your bible. MATH > Formal logic in philosophy. MATH > Informal logic in philosophy. If you want any grounds in a scientific debate, you need to learn math. If you can't make heads or tails out of their math, then you need a friggen education. Appealing to ignorance is useless.
@taiwanoob I don't own or believe in the christian storybook & just because I don't hold a degree in mathematics, doesn't mean I'm uneducated or unaware of the relationship between mathematics & science. My contention is that everything has limitations and when I'm told how the universe got here based on an equation, I have to question its accuracy, there are simply too many variables.
Thought for the day:
Calling someone you know nothing about ignorant, serves to point out your own.
@tripleJ1955 Perhaps I was wrong about you being christian, that is my mistake. It is okay to point be skeptical when it comes to science, however might I remind you that it is ignorant to disregard a theory because you do not understand the math behind it. I was not calling you, as a person, ignorant. I was accusing your argument of being fallacious. .
@odinata Oraganisms do evolve but they are linited to the inherited genetc structures passed form the parent species. There is absolutley NO evidence whatsoever that one species or sub-species can soemhow "evolve" into a species of another type. No ne needs to be an expert to see this simple truth. Modern scientists are smart but that doesn't mean they don't have agendas. They may claim something
and have no proof but hides behind "research" he or she isn't a scientist but an apologist.
You make a good point that those who are in the public limelight that get published even when what they say is incomprehensible. Due to lip-sink (rather lack thereof) in the video you add a visual dimension to your verbal quagmire, a polyglop of beautifully presented nonsense.
@OldUgly the only reason I get annoyed at religion is because of the suffering and misery it can cause and by the level of corrupt in it... science i believe is at least is trying to teach us more about understanding whats around us... doesnt make it any less beautiful or special just because someone didnt make it :P
P.s comment below for you too forgot to put your name thing before... :P
@SerenaVampireBitch1 I get annoyed 2! I've learned however its less about religion and more about relationship. No arguement could ever prove religion isnt corrupt. It most certainly is. Satan prowls like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, he seeks to steal kill destroy. His biggest target is the church. He's not concentrating his efforts where people are already willing to accept deception. Why would he? He has them where he wamts them, not that he deserves any credit 4 it.
@OldUgly and no "He" doesnt because "He" doesnt exist....
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
@SerenaVampireBitch1 U wanted Him to create u in the likeness of a robot? I realize u will need to assume this but assume 4 a moment u believe in God. Ask yourself, "Haven't I been given a choice between good and evil?" That will lead to many other questions like "who what where when?" Consider ur childhood. Until u reached a certain age, u were in a state of innocence. Ur survival depended on choices ur parents made 4 u. During that time u learned 2 make choices on ur own, so when u reached..
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...the age of accountability, u were fully responsible 4 ur own actions, be they good or evil. Satan, the adversary, most beautiful creation in all of God's handiwork b4 the creation of man, exalted himself to believe he was better or more perfect than the One who created him, going so far as to say he would put himself above God but his pride caused him to fall from God's grace. Evil is not a counterpart, it is the opposite force of good, never b4 embraced by God's...
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...until Lucifer. I suspect I am not telling u anything u haven't already heard or studied so please don't think I would try 2 insult or undermine ur intelligence! Ok so why the creation of man? Why am I here? Why are u here? God created man after His own likeness. Furious with lucifer for embracing what did not create him, God was jealous. He wanted His creations to truly love Him back and not betray Him so He created Adam, placed him in a beautiful garden & gave him a...
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...choice. God warned Adam that there was an opposite force of good, and that his loyalty would be determined by his choices. Having placed trees in the garden, God warned that 1 of those trees would lead to the end of Adams immortality, the tree of knowledge of good & evil. A lot of people like to blame Eve 4 eating of the tree & causing mankinds fall, but the bible is clear about the instructions that were given to Adam & he was right there with her when it took place...
@OldUgly its funny you mention parents because psychology believes that the reason "God" is created is by humans originally to obviously explain things due to lack of facts (that are know known about the world) but in todays society is seemed to exist more for comfort reasons... i.e your parents look after you when you are dependant and you long for a similiar relationship when they are gone and when you are going through hard times. A reason any people "convert" during difficult circumstances
@SerenaVampireBitch1 The best testimony in the world is that of a child that takes what his parents teach on faith basis & never had to convert. You've heard it said, faith, hope, love but the greatest of these is love. Serena I tell u the truth, if God commanded me to take a bullet for u, or to step in harms way to save ur life for the cause of Christ, so that u would believe, I could do it. My faith has grown, and I realize more than ever the urgency & importance of ur souls salvation. :)
yes i can obviously see it from a christian perspective btw... my best friend is a christian and we have many arguements/debates on the matter... however your use of the bible story as evidence of why we are here is wrong... it in itself is just a theory... (one which science through years of study has shown to be less and less likely) in my opinion LIFE IS NOT ABOUT WHY WE ARE HERE OR HOW WE GOT HERE, IT IS ABOUT WHAT WE DO WHILE WE ARE!
@SerenaVampireBitch1 It is about what we do while we are here! I agree. I disagree about stories in the bible being theories however. I believe the bible sort of like a "love letter" 2 us. I know I know what about all the suffering right? Well, if there wasn't a cap or an end to that which is physical, so that depending on the choices we make could determine the spiritual outcome, we would have to endure things as they are for eternity. I don't want that! Do u?
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...suppose u created something made of wood, an inanimate object that has no choice but to be placed where u put it and serve only the purpose of what u intended it 4, ur beautiful creation. After time, unless u keep protecting it from harm, it will eventually become corrupt and return to the earth from which it came. The dilemma begins with an attempt to create something that came from that which was already dying, the tree it originated from. Throw the pieces into fire...
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...into fire because no matter how much u try 2 protect what u created from harm, it will still disintegrate. Right? It's science. Ok, now consider this, what if what u created could be given the breath of life that contained a soul, a brain, bones, blood, a heart to go with it's lungs so that it could function with all of it's parts working in harmony with 1 another, just like u, it's prototype, so it would love u as much as u loved it? It could not love u unless it had...
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...ur blessing, the free gift of life and the free gift of choice. Now I ask u, what would happen 2 ur beautiful creation if it were encountered by a force that was ur opposite, that had nothing 2 do with it's origin, but was somehow decieved into believing it should be better or improved if it willed itself to become something more than wood? If it turned it's back on ur love 4 it, so it could become more superior than what it is, say metal, or plastic, or even a better...
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...grade of wood. Blinded by deception to believe itself more highly than it ought, it attempts to morph itself into steel, poly-resin, or mahogony, instead of oak as it was intended, turning it's back on ur love, ur hopes for it, & the faith u had in it. Would u not be inclined to destroy it if there was a way it could be redeemed, by yet another free gift of choice, it's savior, but still chose not to believe, because it still willfully chooses 2 be decieved? U wood! :)
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ..Now consider we are the offspring of Adam. We werent intended to come from something that was already dying. But now we are. Do not all of us in some way search 4 the keys to the universe, our existence, our futures, only to be disheartened by what we find, death & corruption? Where can we find a promise? A hope? An answer to all of our questions about life & death? I believe, the bible. Although it's pages come from wood, which dies, it's promises come from God, who lives
@SerenaVampireBitch1 God doesn't want us to make our choices based on fear of the consequences of sin. He wants us 2 open our hearts and minds to Him out of reverence for Him because He created us. I can't count the times it has been said I base my faith in God out of fear of hell or death. It's ridiculous to assume that. Would I want to go to hell? No! But it's not what drives me. To die in Christ is to gain eternal life so that I may be united with God in spirit. Now, I have more reason 2..
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ..than when I 1st believed. His love 4 me has been made manifest in my life in ways I could have never imagined! Am I perfect? Not yet! Am I good? Not yet! Am I strong? Not always, but we're working on things. My hope 4 u Serena is that u have been encouraged today, that God is speaking 2 ur heart and beginning 2 reveal himself 2 u. I can never convince u or any other atheist, 2 trust God 4 answers, but I will do everything I can 2 remind u of His love 4 u, in the hope..
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ..one day believe. I know it seems difficult! We live in an age where death is around every corner, children can no longer play outside without disappearing, a lot of children can't even be raised by parents who won't abuse or molest them, much less a stranger. People turn 2 drugs instead of prayer, preachers with prostitutes, teachers with students, and students plotting to kill like terrorists! But there is still hope! He's knocking @ ur hearts door! Can u hear it?
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...U see, it's not whether God is able or willing, God is capable! He wants to know if we are! The bible is very clear about this. Mankind has continually searched for something else to believe, due 2 temptation. Satan, since the beginning has decieved people with false doctrines, false gods, false religions & so on. God destroyed the inhabitants of the world in the days of Noah because even the thoughts of man were wicked all the time! Suppose u could create something...
Now I'm not trying 2 say anyone here is dumb. I find math equally as important as science concerning this issue. Folks, I am not a smart guy ( I know I can say that again right!) But if a simpleton like me can figure this out, why is it taking the "thinking" minds of our time so long 2 embrace "common" sense? I'm not looking down my nose @ anyone here! I'm just saying, why is every1 trying to "figure it out" instead of "figuring God in"? If evolution's true, doesn't He deserve the credit?
Using the entire circumference of the earth, including all bodies of water, of which we don't occupy because we arent fish, the calculations of the formula will prove there isn't enough space to contain us all! Even if we could survive in the water, we would all be standing shoulder 2 shoulder, several stacked layers of people on each other's shoulders! Given the amount of dry land we were "intended" 2 inhabit, it's absolutely impossible! This proves the bible is more accurate. Take ur time!
Now compare the numbers with the chronology of the bible starting with Adam, to Noah, to Jesus, until today. Look @ each number. Why are they so different? This experiment hopefully SHOW that this debate should be calculated, not speculated. Science requires a hypothesis to devise a theory. Math is much more verifiable due to the power of an absolute. I ask every1 here, isn't math as deserving as science to rest our "theories" on facts? Let me know when u get it figured out, but be honest!
Ok seems we have a non-believing so called scientists in here. Do we have any mathemeticians? Don't take my word for this, do the math or find someone who can. What is the amount of years it has taken for man to evolve? Factor the birthrate based on lowest #. Most parents give birth to 2-3 offspring. Assume it's only 1! Use also the circumference of the earth to create a formula. Factor in the dimensions of above avg. size of man & death rate etc. How many people should exist today? Try it!
@OldUgly when you made this formula did you factor in major wars plagues famines and other natural disasters etc.... also the changes in age of death for each centuary etc.... nah didnt think so.... but hey believe your edited/translated/ancient book with its "wisdom" and all knowing bullshit....
@SerenaVampireBitch1 Yes those things are factored in. Tell u what, give any # within reason for each of those calamities. I didn't mention them on purpose because while solving the problem, if anyone is doing the math and truly calculating it, those sort of things will come 2 mind. A "test" if u will. I would suggest a team, unless someone very intelligent can carry the burden of all aspects of the formula. Scientist, mathemetician, historian(not necessarily biblical) When comparing the bible..
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...remember to calculate the change of the # of inhabitants due to the account of the flood. #'s do not lie. Hypothesis is in and of itself a guess, u know, possibility, probability, certainty. Now, I'm not saying science is a lie or that it does lie, rather, math is equally as important, if not moreso, when establishing evidence for the "truth seeker". U will find that by crunching these #'s there is no way evolution is possible, lending more credibility to the bible. :)
@OldUgly when you made this formula did you factor in major wars plagues famines and other natural disasters etc.... also the changes in age of death for each centuary etc.... nah didnt think so.... but hey believe your edited/translated/ancient book with its "wisdom" and all knowing bullshit....
@sentry221 but* And by definition, a cause comes before an event, if the big bang had a cause it does not even apply to it and is logically impossible to say there even was one if all that is had a beginning. And if the designer doesn't need to be designed, by the same reasoning one could say the universe needs no designer.
@sentry221 Abiogenesis is anything by random processes, biochemistry is inevitable and will sooner or later produce complex molecules. Given the circumstances of the Early Earth some billions of years ago shows that it is not unreasonable that very simple life could have indeed formed from ever complex chemical reactions.
The bible doesnt contradict itself, rather satan contradicts the bible, inventing ways to decieve. Don't be misled. Accept Christ b4 its 2 late. It is written that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Christ was crucified, raised from the dead, and ascended into heaven with a promise 2 return, fulfilling prophecy in order 2 establish redemption 4 those sins. Don't lean on ur own understanding, rather understand thru the Holy Spirit. Truth 4 the brain. Atheism is fruitless.
@DanJCunningham B4 u comment u need 2 make sure u have done ur research. Christians & muslims DO NOT believe the same things. Compare the differences concerning Jesus. U will find theyre nowhere near the same. They don't believe Jesus was even the messiah! So many running here & there trying to increase their knowledge but denying God and His power! With much wisdom will come much sorrow. I tell u the truth atheists will regret doing that when all their so called wisdom burns with them in hell.
@OldUgly you blathering idiot. i was saying that if you were born in saudi arabia you've be muslim; saying the same type stuff but with a different main character in your stories
and remind yourself, you dithering, indoctrinated moron, that the subscribers to other faiths will be burning in hell too. So basically everybody who doesn't believe as you do are doomed. and the only reason you are a christian and not a seikh, muslim or a buddist is luck and geography.
@DanJCunningham There are Christians in every country since the gospel is being preached in every land. So geography has nothing to do with it. Christianity is growing faster in places like China and other countries where people have been suppressed for decades.
@DanJCunningham God would have spoken 2 my heart no matter where I was born so I realize it as a blessing. I've been doubly blessed. Luck had nothing 2 do with it. God spoke 2 my heart thru the power of the Holy Spirit, I listened, asked Him 2 forgive me, and I have never been the same since. Yes every1 who doesn't believe as I do is doomed. Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, & the Life." Although born in America and grateful 4 that, I could've been a follower of any religion, I chose Christ.
@OldUgly nonsense. if you were born to muslim parents in Iran you'd be a dyed in the wool muslim. Instead you were born to christian parents in a predominantly christian country so you are a dyed in the wool christian. And if you happened to suddenly change your beliefs (and belief, in the real sense doesn't work that way) in Iran. you'd be considered an apostate and you'd be executed.
I've got the answer every1 is looking for..Jesus. Atheists r going 2 hate me 4 this but it's ok. I have hope in something beyond this world. Just as He stated I will state also that I have not come 2 judge but God the Father will judge. There is a burning hell that waits 4 those who do not accept Christ. Atheists call it "scare tactics" and ask how a God so loving, so just, could put people there? He doesn't. He gave all of us a choice, but He will only know HIS children.
Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a women with lust you have committed adultery with here in your heart?
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Does this concern you? The Bible says despise the value of your eye compared to the value of your soul. would u sell your i for a million dollars? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. needgod.com
@sentry221 1. Pre resurrection prophecy: After 3 days it was prophesied that he would rise from his grave, however post resurrection writings always say on the third day, not after. 2. Jesus said to his disciples several times in different gospels that his second coming would happen before the next generation. 3. A variety of marginal disagreements, 250 overseers of Solomon to 550, it's riddled with those of that kind.
@pat5168 In the Jewish mind of the 1st century a part of a day was considered a full day. RE: the "next generation" alleged contradiction, The Greek word genea, translated “generation” here, does also mean the offspring of a common human ancestor. The generation of the Jews, who were called God's people rejected Jesus, but in the end times many Jews will accept Jesus as the Messiah. On a Macro Level, the generation of all of Mankind is another interpretation, but there is not enough room here
@pat5168 Because the designer (God) always has been. He is not limited to the time-space continuum. God is spirit. Man & the animal kingdom are physical, material. The super-natural world of God super-cedes the natural world. God created all the Laws of Physics that we give names to describe every physical process.
@sentry221 Man made objects are known to require creators because of interpretation of past experience and we know that they cannot have formed naturally. Organic life can't be compared because we have no basis on which to assume it must have been created by an outside force. Natural selection in a way do produce designed outcomes, but they are dictated through natural and observable means. And if you want to do something with your life, it has a purpose, nothing else is relevant.
@pat5168 Natural selection assumes that Organic Life which has structure & order happened by random processes. It does not prove nor answer what is the Catalyst why organic life turned out the way it did with all its varieties, colors, forms, etc other than just survival. To suggest such a concept goes beyond lunacy. That makes natural selection the most irrelevant concept man has ever come up with.
100% of the evidence proves the Biblical account. People who continue to believe in the fairy tale of evolution are the most ignorant and illogical people on earth. It's amazing how mindless they are.They act like zombies.
NOT RELIGION........... .....SPIRITUAL SALVATION is the gift of God. You cannot earn it. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves,it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."Ephesians 2:8,9. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, & shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,thou shall be saved". Romans 10:9. Godbless
@alyosha24601 You know what I love? Assholes like you who think that just because you personally dislike something so many other people do, your dislike makes you feel obligated to tell people what to do.
Not only is that pathetic, but it's also incredibly fucking selfish.
@sentry221 That is using circular reasoning. Saying that our planet is proof of a creator is like saying a hand knit doll is proof for my grandmother. Your argument for creation could be used for any religion. So if there's something that you think makes yours so different please explain. Those 'random processes' are fully explained if you have any interest in biology or physics.
@pat5168 The explanation in biology or physics is ludicrous at best. Look, if you have a watch you wear on your arm you realize that someone had to design the watch. Organic life is no different. There had to be a designer, a power that caused life to come from non-life. It's no accident that Earth is the only Planet in the Universe with complex life. It is no accident that man is the only reasoning creature on the planet. We all have a spirit. You cannot see it, but it's easy to observe.
@sentry221 You can't use a man-made object as evidence that there must be a creator for everything else. You can see a person making a watch. So yes, if I see a watch then with my past knowledge I know a person or machine had to have created it. However, since that is experimental and you can't experiment on the possibility of living beings being created at the beginning, it is falsified. Humans have human emotions, you can't compare it to other animals because we don't understand each other.
@pat5168 Sure I can. Man-made objects are no different than organic life. Everything that is made has a purpose. To believe that we live in some world that just "happened" without any direction, thought, design or purpose is sadly on the level of high school daydreaming.
@pat5168 Even a child can observe other humans and grasp the concept that humans are higher than animals because we have imagination, creativity, construct complex forms of society order we call government, monetary exchanges for trading, etc. In addition only man also has evil tendencies that animals don't. Animals kill to survive, just instincts. Man kills, connives, distorts, lies, deceives, manipulates, dictates, cheats, slanders and so on to get his own way.
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Debating a creationist is degrading to reasonable people. They lack the standing to debate one such as myself. I would no more argue with someone who thought the Moon was made of Cheese. It's like an annoying dog trying to hump your leg. The more you try to shake it off, the harder it humps. In the end, the dog runs off and licks it's own ass and you got the dog's Jizz on your leg.
paramattic70 1 week ago
lolz
NorthWestSouthEasify 3 weeks ago
I believe in the Constitution and I believe in Christianity.
I believe in Christianity very much but I don't believe it should be shoved down other people's throats as Mr.Paul said. My moral beliefs and fibers are mine and yours are yours. If you are truly against pushing religion or things of that nature onto other people then you should support Ron Paul.
JamesRideout123 3 weeks ago
@JamesRideout123 You know you just reminded me about a nice joke
Religion is like a penis, please don't shove it down my children's throat.
TheMcgreary 2 weeks ago 2
@TheMcgreary I don't condone or support all religions so please stop trying to whitewash it as "religion" since religion is a very general term used by people who don't understand the difference between different religions. Btw my religion doesn't condone homosexuality and just because some of the priests bishops and archbishops are pedophiles that has nothing to do with the religion itself in the same way some darwinists are homosexuals or pedophiles.
JamesRideout123 2 weeks ago
@JamesRideout123 yeah it's a joke
TheMcgreary 2 weeks ago
@TheMcgreary You're referring to Darwinism? Of course!
JamesRideout123 2 weeks ago
@JamesRideout123 what?
TheMcgreary 2 weeks ago
@JamesRideout123 Homosexuality is perfectly natural. Condemning it makes you, and your religion, and everyone else who follows it, look bad.
Helge129 1 week ago
@Helge129 There is no such thing as a born homosexual. That is depopulation propaganda aimed at making people think that homosexuality is cool, good or something that should be encouraged. Homosexuality is purely by choice. Hormones etc can lead a person down a path of homosexuality though and the government has been caught countless times putting hormones in food drinking water etc and in their drugs. Today's society has so much homosexuality because of that and society encourages it.
JamesRideout123 1 week ago
@JamesRideout123 ...and thus proving how illiterate you are. Homosexuality is NOT a choice.
Helge129 1 week ago
@Helge129 How do you know it isn't?
JamesRideout123 1 week ago
@JamesRideout123 For one, it happens in ALL animals that aren't hemaphrodites, secondly, I know several homosexuals, not one of them "chose" to be homosexual.
Helge129 1 week ago
@JamesRideout123 So much ignorance.... is... INFECTIOUS!!!
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 week ago
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@Helge129 "Homosexuality is perfectly natural" Erm no is is'nt. There is a reason why there are two genders and as JamesRideout explained, Homosexuality is solely by choice, A man was natrually designed to have sex with a Women not with another man. Now explain to me, what would happen if the entire Human race was gay?. Yes there would ne no future generations.
NANOFORGE 1 week ago
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@TheMcgreary I don't condone or support all religions so please stop trying to whitewash it as "religion" since religion is a very general term used by people who don't understand the difference between different religions. Btw my religion doesn't condone homosexuality and just because some of the priests bishops and archbishops are pedophiles that has nothing to do with the religion itself in the same way some darwinists are homosexuals or pedophiles.
JamesRideout123 2 weeks ago
You are not thunderf00t. What is this shit? Why are you doing this?
EinSofQuester 1 month ago
Hey you sound like Sean Connery. Is that really your voice?
EinSofQuester 1 month ago
sanctimonious period, your voice gives you up.
wjsprsn 1 month ago
Wow, Atheists Against Militant Atheists was right. YouTube is full of douchebaggery.
stevej71393 1 month ago
you should be getting paid for this!
MrGOTAMA420 1 month ago
The beauty about debating a creationist is if you know evolution pretty well it is an argument you can never lose. Creationists are outlandishly hubris to think they can dispell the most factual theory in science -- along side gravity -- without any testing or objective studying on the matter.
MrNicMachiavelli 2 months ago
@MrNicMachiavelli Who's trying to disprove evolution? It's "Darwinian Evolution" that's full of crap. Evolution itself is fine.
Patience1138 1 month ago
@Patience1138 yeah, that's sort of what we talk about when we discuss evolution. I don't want to have to type anything in addition when I adress the subject. Why is it crap?
MrNicMachiavelli 1 month ago
@MrNicMachiavelli Evolution is the observed phenomenon of change over time. It's about as verifiable as it gets! However, Darwinian Evolution involves more fanciful extrapolation than actual grounded fact.
Patience1138 1 month ago
@Patience1138 I hope you realize that darwininian evolution was proposed by darwin and only was proposed because of the lack of evidenve he had back then
KyuubiNaruto1337XD 1 month ago
@KyuubiNaruto1337XD Yes! Exactly! So why are we still trying to push it today? There's no point! No one with any kind of scientific background could even think to reject evolution, but what's the point in continuing to push Darwinian evolution? Honestly, I think THAT is what creationists hate so much. Evolution is fine; Darwinian Evolution is just too much for any rational person to swallow.
Patience1138 1 month ago
People....... do not bother arguing with sentry221 as he is beyond us in terms of being a brainwashed, indoctrinated fool. I would recommend not ti waste your time trying to talk sense and logic to this small minded fool aka a christian.
Adzer2k10 2 months ago
You egotistical fuckin' dickhead, what the hell makes you think this guy would spend anytime at all reading the boring ass comments on your profile page. In fact what makes you think anyone, your lame fucking groupies aside, could give a shit less about what you write?
Not to stay totally off topic, let me say that the bible is a nice book, it is however nothing more than fiction.
Extreme self-absorption is a mental disorder, it's called Sociopathy .
Have a nice day : )
tripleJ1955 2 months ago
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Evolution vs Creation:
First Evolution:
"The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense."
Uuhh. I think the Bible has a much better explanation…
7777Ralph 3 months ago
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Please listen closely to what the Bible says regarding this very thing:
“For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” Rom 1:20
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” John 3:36
Please accept Jesus today as your Lord and Savior if you want salvation.
7777Ralph 3 months ago
all of you people have serious issues with spelling....if you are going to broadcast your thoughts to the world.. I mean, come on, spell-check is relatively common on most internet interfaces....
lamecwedsi 3 months ago
unbelievers have looked at god and have found the way of science.
bubbah671 3 months ago
If atheist weren't biased they would learn religion but they never listen , so why should a religious person should listen to an atheist ?
MrCobra811 3 months ago
@MrCobra811 You're a Poe, right?
mortensjoegren 3 months ago
@MrCobra811 One should always remain reasonable, even if others do not. Anyways, this atheist, for one, is perfectly prepared to keep an open mind.
SenMysrana 3 months ago
@MrCobra811 As a boy, I was very religious. I even wanted to be a priest. I listened to my priest. One day, I decided to read the bible from front to cover. The old testament was so contrary to the loving God that I was made to believe in that within thirty seconds of reading the old testament, I was an atheist. I was biased. I was biased in favor of religion. I just didn't think religion made any sense. So I left it. My life has never been better.
You should listen to us 'cus we listen to you.
micahjava 2 months ago
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Someone answer this please...
If the universe developed from a single atom, or particle, where did that particle come from in the first place? Should we assume that particle has been in existence from eternity? If not, and that particle appeared from nothing, doesn't that defy the laws of science?
ssgurgs9 3 months ago
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Hey, kiddos, want to see a fairy tale that adults really believe? Google whale evolution and go watch a 7 minutes video on the PBS web site that shows how an ancient 200 pound wolf searched for food along the beach, wander out into the surf, and morphed (evolved) into a 100 ton whale. There is nothing scientific about it, but nonetheless, this is the fairy tale that some adults really believe! Especially comical are the nostrils migrating to the top of the head to become a blow hole!
achilles197474 3 months ago
lol, burn
Moppy1988 4 months ago
You guys are idiots. How else would of the world been created? There is only one explanation....GOD! The all and mighty god Created the world and the people who live upon it. But i bet your religion is to stupid to realize it. oh wait...
z3pex 4 months ago
Debating a nitwit creationists is a waste of time....like talking to your wall and expecting a response
NaturalSelection101 4 months ago
/watch?v=L5PQRV_9dY0
CristiGiambasu11 4 months ago
I wish Thunderf00t was here by my side. I would hug him and pet him all day.
MacRief 4 months ago
The atheist Delusion!
Creation without Creator presumes a single pattern, why should there occur two different movements on a definite pattern and quantum?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh
Why are you waging a Jihad against science?
odinata 4 months ago
@odinata Answer the question below!
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh
Is it because your religion commands that you must make Islam dominate the entire world?
odinata 4 months ago
@odinata Answer the question!
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh 42!
MacRief 4 months ago
@MacRief How can the duped atheists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh How can the duped christians delute themselves and believe it was just told to exist by an extreme complex creature that apparently came to exit by an necessarily even more unlikely event.
MacRief 4 months ago
@MacRief How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh I believe in 'matter'. You believe in 'matter' PLUS an unnatural over powerful extreme beeing.
MacRief 4 months ago
@MacRief Is it at all feasible to regard all the geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh It's not all outcome of matter. Have you forgotten about all the laws of nature?
MacRief 4 months ago
@MacRief Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
1tabligh 4 months ago
laws of nature?
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What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere ***nature—nature*** which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh Gravity, electromagnetism, the weak nuclear force, and the strong nuclear force.
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To sum it up I could answer all of your comments with "evolution".
If you just knew enough about the principles of evolution, how it works and what it has done, you wouldn't be so puzzled about it.
MacRief 4 months ago
@MacRief Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh Dude, you're just trolling now.
MacRief 4 months ago
@MacRief Answer the questions!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh So what would you say to Father George Coyne a very highly respected member of the vadican when he told you that he un-doubtedly believes in evolution? I havn't followed all your post so i have been able to acess weather you believe in evolution or not or weather you believe in evolution but hold a creator responsible.
theELUSIV 3 months ago
@theELUSIV Many new questions in regard to almost every principle mentioned by Darwin have arisen. For example, it is asked whether the appearance of a new organ or for that matter any other organic change, always results from the use of that organ and the attempt to adapt it to one's environment or it may be due to mutation or any other cause?
The acquired qualities are hereditable as a principle or genetic investigations have rejected this theory?
1tabligh 3 months ago
The organic changes, whatever may be their cause, are always aimed at survival and evolution or sometimes they may be due to the inconsistency with the environmental conditions and may culminate in death and extinction?
Natural selection is or is not like artificial selection which leads the existing generation to evolution?
1tabligh 3 months ago 2
also can u please fill me in on a "Deluded Athiest"?
To say athiest look at the world with both eyes closed is plain arogance. They just look at the world from a different perspective that religious folk & creationst.
But you said "Deluded athiest" in your statement. what is the difference please??
theELUSIV 3 months ago
@1tabligh Another religious that cannot stand the ignorance. One the of the main difference between you and atheists, is that we are able to say ''We don't know'' while you using your god to fill the gasp in your world. How the fuck do you expect ANYBODY to have the answers to ALL the questions?? And such terms as ''all the questions'' is a stupid thing for the simple reason that there are no limits to the amount of questions the human can ask.
Delusional indoctrinated religious slave
Doum92 3 months ago 2
@MacRief Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh They (the atheists) have a perfect explanation, they will show you a 6 page equation, starting with numbers arbitrarily chosen by . . you guessed it . . atheists. Then when you can't make heads or tails out of their math they'll tell you, "just trust me, this mathematical model explains everything." Yea...right.
tripleJ1955 2 months ago
@tripleJ1955 Why, then, are the mathematical propositions distinguished from other propositions by absolute necessary certainty?
Further, we do not admit that all mathematical propositions are analytic and an extension of the principle 'Four is four'. How could the truth stating 'The diameter is always shorter than the circumference' be an analytic proposition?
1tabligh 2 months ago
Are 'shortness' and 'circumference' included in the notion of 'diameter'? And is 'diameter' another expression for the statement, 'The diameter is a diameter'?
Still, it remains for us to study one point concerning the rational doctrine namely, that if the primary information is rational and necessary, then how is it possible to explain its absence in human beings at the beginning [of their existence], and their acquisition of it at a later date?
1tabligh 2 months ago
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped and brainwashed atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 2 months ago
@1tabligh Matter is not you're creator, it is what you are composed of. A lego house was not created by legos. It is made out of them.
Calling us atheists brainwashed is frankly ridiculous. I do not wish to offend you, but isn't the phrase "A mystical man who has just always been here created the universe" a little more ridiculous than scientific theory.
micahjava 2 months ago
@micahjava We can raise precisely the same objection against the atheists and ask them, "If we follow the chain of causality back, we will ultimately reach the primary cause. Let us say that cause is not God, but matter. Tell us who created primary matter. You who believe in the law of causality, answer us Ws: if matter is the ultimate cause of all things, what is the cause of matter?
You say that the source of all phenomena is matter-energy; what is the cause and origin of matter-energy?"
1tabligh 2 months ago
@1tabligh I say that I do not know. We do not cite matter as the maker of matter. Matter and energy do cause most phenomena.
You (most likely) say that your God created matter and energy. I must ask you the following questions. Who created your God? If your God exists, then he is made of matter. Therefor, for matter to be created by your God, matter must have already existed. That is a paradox of all paradoxes.
micahjava 2 months ago
@micahjava Who created your God?
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His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
If in the course of developing the argument of the orderliness of the universe we attempt to prove the existence of a maker similar to the human maker, the divine maker will, in reality, also be a created being on the level of man; proving the existence of such a maker is an entirely different matter from proving the existence of the Maker and Creator of all being.
1tabligh 2 months ago
The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him; and that god, if he is preceded by non-existence, would need another god and so on. Thus, we would have an endless chain of gods without reaching a **causeless cause** to be the source of the existence of the universe.
Then we have to deny the existence of the universe. We would also have to deny ourselves because we are a part of the universe.
1tabligh 2 months ago
@1tabligh I was not saying that said paradox is true. I was using it as a way to show you that the idea of a God makes no sense.
micahjava 2 months ago
@mic...In just the same way that atheist regards matter as eternal, believers in God attribute eternity to God. Belief in an eternal being is then common to materialist and religious philosophers: both groups agree that there is a primary cause, but believers in God regard the primary cause as wise, all-knowing, and possessing the power of decision and will, whereas in the view of the materialists, the primary cause has neither consciousness, intelligence, perception, nor the power of decision.
1tabligh 2 months ago
Thus, the removal of God in no way solves the problem posed by eternal being.
Moreover, matter is the locus for motion and change, and its motion is dynamic and situated within its own essence. Now, essential motion is incompatible with eternity, and matter and essential stability are two mutually exclusive categories that cannot be fused in a single locus.
1tabligh 2 months ago
But you say to yourself: I cannot do that because I am here. Then you have to say: God is there.
From a scientific point of view, the self-origination of matter is impossible; the theory that the material world is constantly evolving and advancing toward higher states is clearly contradictory to scientific data and the realities of nature. All development and motion in the mineral realm is due either to the intervention of a will external to matter or to attraction, interchange,
1tabligh 2 months ago
and compounding with other bodies.
"Do they imagine that they've been created without any cause, or do they suppose that they are their own creators?" The Quran (52:36) "Have they created the heavens and the earth ? They have no certain belief in what they say" (52:37) Do they have a Lord other than God? No, it is not so; God is exalted above the partners they ascribe to him." (52:43) "Glorified be He in Whose hand is all sovereignty and Who has power over all things." (67:1)
1tabligh 2 months ago
Since the chain of causality cannot recede into infinity, they can answer only that matter is an eternal and timeless entity for which no beginning can be posited: matter is non-created, has no beginning or end, and its being arises from within its own nature.
This means that the materialists accept the principle of eternity and non-origination; they believe that all things arose out of eternal matter and that being arises from within the very nature of matter, without any need for a creator.
1tabligh 2 months ago
@tripleJ1955 "arbitrarily chosen" you just proved how inept you are in math, they're not some random numbers picked by the person writing the equation. Example: E=mc2 (E=energy; m=mass c=speed of light; 2=squared) or V=D/T (velocity is egual to distance over time) sub in any number do the math it will work out. Einstein did not just make up numbers neither does anyone respected scientist. You do not just write an equation and poof its accepted, it has to be tried and tested.
lordrazr 2 months ago
@lordrazr Determining someones ineptitude in any discipline, based on a 2 word phrase shows off you're own ineptitude in judging others. Now, I don't buy creationism in any form, but like I said to taiwanoob, I can't trust that any equation can determine with certainty, what took place over 13 billion yrs ago. How can you "try and test" events that took place so many eons ago? Certainly not empirically.
Sorry you didn't recognize the melodramatic nature of my earlier hypothetical post..
tripleJ1955 2 months ago
@tripleJ1955 Obviously empirical evidence is absolutely necessary to validate the truth of a claim. However the validity of a theory can not be considered as invalid due to a person not being able to comprehend the mathematical concepts.
taiwanoob 2 months ago
@taiwanoob "the validity of a theory can not be considered as invalid due to a person not being able to comprehend the mathematical concepts"
I understand the basic constructs and principles of scientific theory via mathematics, at the end of the day however, the result is still theoretical, which has been my point all along. Scientific theories are often presented as factual and that's what bugs me. I don't have all the answers, hell I don't even know all the questions, but I'm cool with it.
tripleJ1955 2 months ago
@tripleJ1955 scientific theories are often presented as factual because of the difference in the scientific meaning of the word theory and the colloquial meaning. an idea which is supported by a preponderance of evidence, which has been observed and can be observed and for which no evidence exists to refute it is what science calls a theory and what most people call a fact.
tuseroni 2 months ago
@tripleJ1955 The level of theory does in fact require an idea to be demonstrably factual, based in numerous tests, each of which could have refuted the idea, if the idea were non-factual. In fact, theory is the highest level of knowledge in science. Gravitational theory is a fact. Electromagnetic theory is a fact. Evolutionary theory is a fact. All have been observed and corroborated. Usually theories are more than one fact, in fact. Don't confuse colloquial theory with scientific theory.
Enginmaster 2 months ago
@Enginmaster I get that , I really do. In fact I'm a supporter of evolutionary theory, at least when relegated to microevolution. However, it is my belief that there exists certain phenomena that are simply beyond the realm of theoretical explication, especially in ontology.
tripleJ1955 2 months ago
@tripleJ1955 "I get that , I really do. " Really, you do? Then why are you under the misapprehension that there is a difference between microevolution and macroevolution. Only scientific illiterates could think of that. It's fine that you believe that there's stuff beyond what the evidence shows, but to say you know what it is is ,by definition, baseless. Scientific theories being presented as fact would not bug you if you knew what scientific theory meant.
Enginmaster 2 months ago
@tripleJ1955 The two people above me have tried to explain it with to you with rational explanations. However, I'm going to be frank with you. In science, MATH > Everything, except empirical observation. MATH > Your bible. MATH > Formal logic in philosophy. MATH > Informal logic in philosophy. If you want any grounds in a scientific debate, you need to learn math. If you can't make heads or tails out of their math, then you need a friggen education. Appealing to ignorance is useless.
taiwanoob 2 months ago
@taiwanoob I don't own or believe in the christian storybook & just because I don't hold a degree in mathematics, doesn't mean I'm uneducated or unaware of the relationship between mathematics & science. My contention is that everything has limitations and when I'm told how the universe got here based on an equation, I have to question its accuracy, there are simply too many variables.
Thought for the day:
Calling someone you know nothing about ignorant, serves to point out your own.
tripleJ1955 2 months ago
@tripleJ1955 Perhaps I was wrong about you being christian, that is my mistake. It is okay to point be skeptical when it comes to science, however might I remind you that it is ignorant to disregard a theory because you do not understand the math behind it. I was not calling you, as a person, ignorant. I was accusing your argument of being fallacious. .
taiwanoob 2 months ago
It doesn't matter how "educated" someone is the truth is still the truth.
tmmy773 4 months ago
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Truth is organisms evolve.
odinata 4 months ago
@odinata Oraganisms do evolve but they are linited to the inherited genetc structures passed form the parent species. There is absolutley NO evidence whatsoever that one species or sub-species can soemhow "evolve" into a species of another type. No ne needs to be an expert to see this simple truth. Modern scientists are smart but that doesn't mean they don't have agendas. They may claim something
and have no proof but hides behind "research" he or she isn't a scientist but an apologist.
tmmy773 4 months ago
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@tmmy773
"There is absolutley NO evidence whatsoever that one species or sub-species can soemhow "evolve" into a species of another type"
Wrohng Tammy.
But you would have had to have dragged your toothless hillbilly face into a SCHOOL CLASSROOM to have witnessed the proof that speciation occurs.
Its the same thing that you find on your Jerry Springer show.
Its called DNA.
odinata 4 months ago
You make a good point that those who are in the public limelight that get published even when what they say is incomprehensible. Due to lip-sink (rather lack thereof) in the video you add a visual dimension to your verbal quagmire, a polyglop of beautifully presented nonsense.
22davidnew 4 months ago
@OldUgly the only reason I get annoyed at religion is because of the suffering and misery it can cause and by the level of corrupt in it... science i believe is at least is trying to teach us more about understanding whats around us... doesnt make it any less beautiful or special just because someone didnt make it :P
P.s comment below for you too forgot to put your name thing before... :P
SerenaVampireBitch1 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 I get annoyed 2! I've learned however its less about religion and more about relationship. No arguement could ever prove religion isnt corrupt. It most certainly is. Satan prowls like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, he seeks to steal kill destroy. His biggest target is the church. He's not concentrating his efforts where people are already willing to accept deception. Why would he? He has them where he wamts them, not that he deserves any credit 4 it.
OldUgly 4 months ago
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Creationist is as creationist does or is it stupid is as stupid does
Xatasha6611 4 months ago
@OldUgly and no "He" doesnt because "He" doesnt exist....
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
- Epicurus [341–270 B.C.]
ATHEISTS..... WINNING SINCE 341BC!!!
SerenaVampireBitch1 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 U wanted Him to create u in the likeness of a robot? I realize u will need to assume this but assume 4 a moment u believe in God. Ask yourself, "Haven't I been given a choice between good and evil?" That will lead to many other questions like "who what where when?" Consider ur childhood. Until u reached a certain age, u were in a state of innocence. Ur survival depended on choices ur parents made 4 u. During that time u learned 2 make choices on ur own, so when u reached..
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...the age of accountability, u were fully responsible 4 ur own actions, be they good or evil. Satan, the adversary, most beautiful creation in all of God's handiwork b4 the creation of man, exalted himself to believe he was better or more perfect than the One who created him, going so far as to say he would put himself above God but his pride caused him to fall from God's grace. Evil is not a counterpart, it is the opposite force of good, never b4 embraced by God's...
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...until Lucifer. I suspect I am not telling u anything u haven't already heard or studied so please don't think I would try 2 insult or undermine ur intelligence! Ok so why the creation of man? Why am I here? Why are u here? God created man after His own likeness. Furious with lucifer for embracing what did not create him, God was jealous. He wanted His creations to truly love Him back and not betray Him so He created Adam, placed him in a beautiful garden & gave him a...
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...choice. God warned Adam that there was an opposite force of good, and that his loyalty would be determined by his choices. Having placed trees in the garden, God warned that 1 of those trees would lead to the end of Adams immortality, the tree of knowledge of good & evil. A lot of people like to blame Eve 4 eating of the tree & causing mankinds fall, but the bible is clear about the instructions that were given to Adam & he was right there with her when it took place...
OldUgly 4 months ago
@OldUgly its funny you mention parents because psychology believes that the reason "God" is created is by humans originally to obviously explain things due to lack of facts (that are know known about the world) but in todays society is seemed to exist more for comfort reasons... i.e your parents look after you when you are dependant and you long for a similiar relationship when they are gone and when you are going through hard times. A reason any people "convert" during difficult circumstances
SerenaVampireBitch1 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 The best testimony in the world is that of a child that takes what his parents teach on faith basis & never had to convert. You've heard it said, faith, hope, love but the greatest of these is love. Serena I tell u the truth, if God commanded me to take a bullet for u, or to step in harms way to save ur life for the cause of Christ, so that u would believe, I could do it. My faith has grown, and I realize more than ever the urgency & importance of ur souls salvation. :)
OldUgly 4 months ago
yes i can obviously see it from a christian perspective btw... my best friend is a christian and we have many arguements/debates on the matter... however your use of the bible story as evidence of why we are here is wrong... it in itself is just a theory... (one which science through years of study has shown to be less and less likely) in my opinion LIFE IS NOT ABOUT WHY WE ARE HERE OR HOW WE GOT HERE, IT IS ABOUT WHAT WE DO WHILE WE ARE!
SerenaVampireBitch1 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 It is about what we do while we are here! I agree. I disagree about stories in the bible being theories however. I believe the bible sort of like a "love letter" 2 us. I know I know what about all the suffering right? Well, if there wasn't a cap or an end to that which is physical, so that depending on the choices we make could determine the spiritual outcome, we would have to endure things as they are for eternity. I don't want that! Do u?
OldUgly 4 months ago
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OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...suppose u created something made of wood, an inanimate object that has no choice but to be placed where u put it and serve only the purpose of what u intended it 4, ur beautiful creation. After time, unless u keep protecting it from harm, it will eventually become corrupt and return to the earth from which it came. The dilemma begins with an attempt to create something that came from that which was already dying, the tree it originated from. Throw the pieces into fire...
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...into fire because no matter how much u try 2 protect what u created from harm, it will still disintegrate. Right? It's science. Ok, now consider this, what if what u created could be given the breath of life that contained a soul, a brain, bones, blood, a heart to go with it's lungs so that it could function with all of it's parts working in harmony with 1 another, just like u, it's prototype, so it would love u as much as u loved it? It could not love u unless it had...
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...ur blessing, the free gift of life and the free gift of choice. Now I ask u, what would happen 2 ur beautiful creation if it were encountered by a force that was ur opposite, that had nothing 2 do with it's origin, but was somehow decieved into believing it should be better or improved if it willed itself to become something more than wood? If it turned it's back on ur love 4 it, so it could become more superior than what it is, say metal, or plastic, or even a better...
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...grade of wood. Blinded by deception to believe itself more highly than it ought, it attempts to morph itself into steel, poly-resin, or mahogony, instead of oak as it was intended, turning it's back on ur love, ur hopes for it, & the faith u had in it. Would u not be inclined to destroy it if there was a way it could be redeemed, by yet another free gift of choice, it's savior, but still chose not to believe, because it still willfully chooses 2 be decieved? U wood! :)
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ..Now consider we are the offspring of Adam. We werent intended to come from something that was already dying. But now we are. Do not all of us in some way search 4 the keys to the universe, our existence, our futures, only to be disheartened by what we find, death & corruption? Where can we find a promise? A hope? An answer to all of our questions about life & death? I believe, the bible. Although it's pages come from wood, which dies, it's promises come from God, who lives
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 God doesn't want us to make our choices based on fear of the consequences of sin. He wants us 2 open our hearts and minds to Him out of reverence for Him because He created us. I can't count the times it has been said I base my faith in God out of fear of hell or death. It's ridiculous to assume that. Would I want to go to hell? No! But it's not what drives me. To die in Christ is to gain eternal life so that I may be united with God in spirit. Now, I have more reason 2..
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ..than when I 1st believed. His love 4 me has been made manifest in my life in ways I could have never imagined! Am I perfect? Not yet! Am I good? Not yet! Am I strong? Not always, but we're working on things. My hope 4 u Serena is that u have been encouraged today, that God is speaking 2 ur heart and beginning 2 reveal himself 2 u. I can never convince u or any other atheist, 2 trust God 4 answers, but I will do everything I can 2 remind u of His love 4 u, in the hope..
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ..one day believe. I know it seems difficult! We live in an age where death is around every corner, children can no longer play outside without disappearing, a lot of children can't even be raised by parents who won't abuse or molest them, much less a stranger. People turn 2 drugs instead of prayer, preachers with prostitutes, teachers with students, and students plotting to kill like terrorists! But there is still hope! He's knocking @ ur hearts door! Can u hear it?
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...U see, it's not whether God is able or willing, God is capable! He wants to know if we are! The bible is very clear about this. Mankind has continually searched for something else to believe, due 2 temptation. Satan, since the beginning has decieved people with false doctrines, false gods, false religions & so on. God destroyed the inhabitants of the world in the days of Noah because even the thoughts of man were wicked all the time! Suppose u could create something...
OldUgly 4 months ago
Now I'm not trying 2 say anyone here is dumb. I find math equally as important as science concerning this issue. Folks, I am not a smart guy ( I know I can say that again right!) But if a simpleton like me can figure this out, why is it taking the "thinking" minds of our time so long 2 embrace "common" sense? I'm not looking down my nose @ anyone here! I'm just saying, why is every1 trying to "figure it out" instead of "figuring God in"? If evolution's true, doesn't He deserve the credit?
OldUgly 4 months ago
Using the entire circumference of the earth, including all bodies of water, of which we don't occupy because we arent fish, the calculations of the formula will prove there isn't enough space to contain us all! Even if we could survive in the water, we would all be standing shoulder 2 shoulder, several stacked layers of people on each other's shoulders! Given the amount of dry land we were "intended" 2 inhabit, it's absolutely impossible! This proves the bible is more accurate. Take ur time!
OldUgly 4 months ago
Now compare the numbers with the chronology of the bible starting with Adam, to Noah, to Jesus, until today. Look @ each number. Why are they so different? This experiment hopefully SHOW that this debate should be calculated, not speculated. Science requires a hypothesis to devise a theory. Math is much more verifiable due to the power of an absolute. I ask every1 here, isn't math as deserving as science to rest our "theories" on facts? Let me know when u get it figured out, but be honest!
OldUgly 4 months ago
Ok seems we have a non-believing so called scientists in here. Do we have any mathemeticians? Don't take my word for this, do the math or find someone who can. What is the amount of years it has taken for man to evolve? Factor the birthrate based on lowest #. Most parents give birth to 2-3 offspring. Assume it's only 1! Use also the circumference of the earth to create a formula. Factor in the dimensions of above avg. size of man & death rate etc. How many people should exist today? Try it!
OldUgly 4 months ago
@OldUgly when you made this formula did you factor in major wars plagues famines and other natural disasters etc.... also the changes in age of death for each centuary etc.... nah didnt think so.... but hey believe your edited/translated/ancient book with its "wisdom" and all knowing bullshit....
SerenaVampireBitch1 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 Yes those things are factored in. Tell u what, give any # within reason for each of those calamities. I didn't mention them on purpose because while solving the problem, if anyone is doing the math and truly calculating it, those sort of things will come 2 mind. A "test" if u will. I would suggest a team, unless someone very intelligent can carry the burden of all aspects of the formula. Scientist, mathemetician, historian(not necessarily biblical) When comparing the bible..
OldUgly 4 months ago
@SerenaVampireBitch1 ...remember to calculate the change of the # of inhabitants due to the account of the flood. #'s do not lie. Hypothesis is in and of itself a guess, u know, possibility, probability, certainty. Now, I'm not saying science is a lie or that it does lie, rather, math is equally as important, if not moreso, when establishing evidence for the "truth seeker". U will find that by crunching these #'s there is no way evolution is possible, lending more credibility to the bible. :)
OldUgly 4 months ago
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@OldUgly when you made this formula did you factor in major wars plagues famines and other natural disasters etc.... also the changes in age of death for each centuary etc.... nah didnt think so.... but hey believe your edited/translated/ancient book with its "wisdom" and all knowing bullshit....
SerenaVampireBitch1 4 months ago
@sentry221 but* And by definition, a cause comes before an event, if the big bang had a cause it does not even apply to it and is logically impossible to say there even was one if all that is had a beginning. And if the designer doesn't need to be designed, by the same reasoning one could say the universe needs no designer.
pat5168 4 months ago
@sentry221 Abiogenesis is anything by random processes, biochemistry is inevitable and will sooner or later produce complex molecules. Given the circumstances of the Early Earth some billions of years ago shows that it is not unreasonable that very simple life could have indeed formed from ever complex chemical reactions.
pat5168 4 months ago
The bible doesnt contradict itself, rather satan contradicts the bible, inventing ways to decieve. Don't be misled. Accept Christ b4 its 2 late. It is written that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Christ was crucified, raised from the dead, and ascended into heaven with a promise 2 return, fulfilling prophecy in order 2 establish redemption 4 those sins. Don't lean on ur own understanding, rather understand thru the Holy Spirit. Truth 4 the brain. Atheism is fruitless.
OldUgly 4 months ago
@OldUgly next time you pray, thank god for not allowing you to be born in saudi arabia.
because if you were, you'd be a muslim. saying the same stuff right now, only with a different book.
DanJCunningham 4 months ago
@DanJCunningham B4 u comment u need 2 make sure u have done ur research. Christians & muslims DO NOT believe the same things. Compare the differences concerning Jesus. U will find theyre nowhere near the same. They don't believe Jesus was even the messiah! So many running here & there trying to increase their knowledge but denying God and His power! With much wisdom will come much sorrow. I tell u the truth atheists will regret doing that when all their so called wisdom burns with them in hell.
OldUgly 4 months ago
@OldUgly you blathering idiot. i was saying that if you were born in saudi arabia you've be muslim; saying the same type stuff but with a different main character in your stories
and remind yourself, you dithering, indoctrinated moron, that the subscribers to other faiths will be burning in hell too. So basically everybody who doesn't believe as you do are doomed. and the only reason you are a christian and not a seikh, muslim or a buddist is luck and geography.
DanJCunningham 4 months ago
@DanJCunningham There are Christians in every country since the gospel is being preached in every land. So geography has nothing to do with it. Christianity is growing faster in places like China and other countries where people have been suppressed for decades.
sentry221 4 months ago
@DanJCunningham God would have spoken 2 my heart no matter where I was born so I realize it as a blessing. I've been doubly blessed. Luck had nothing 2 do with it. God spoke 2 my heart thru the power of the Holy Spirit, I listened, asked Him 2 forgive me, and I have never been the same since. Yes every1 who doesn't believe as I do is doomed. Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, & the Life." Although born in America and grateful 4 that, I could've been a follower of any religion, I chose Christ.
OldUgly 4 months ago
@OldUgly nonsense. if you were born to muslim parents in Iran you'd be a dyed in the wool muslim. Instead you were born to christian parents in a predominantly christian country so you are a dyed in the wool christian. And if you happened to suddenly change your beliefs (and belief, in the real sense doesn't work that way) in Iran. you'd be considered an apostate and you'd be executed.
your last post was basically just white noise.
DanJCunningham 4 months ago
@OldUgly Great responses to those on here who are so deceived and blinded.
sentry221 4 months ago
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I've got the answer every1 is looking for..Jesus. Atheists r going 2 hate me 4 this but it's ok. I have hope in something beyond this world. Just as He stated I will state also that I have not come 2 judge but God the Father will judge. There is a burning hell that waits 4 those who do not accept Christ. Atheists call it "scare tactics" and ask how a God so loving, so just, could put people there? He doesn't. He gave all of us a choice, but He will only know HIS children.
OldUgly 4 months ago
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Are you ready?
Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a women with lust you have committed adultery with here in your heart?
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Does this concern you? The Bible says despise the value of your eye compared to the value of your soul. would u sell your i for a million dollars? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. needgod.com
standingontruth1 4 months ago
@sentry221 1. Pre resurrection prophecy: After 3 days it was prophesied that he would rise from his grave, however post resurrection writings always say on the third day, not after. 2. Jesus said to his disciples several times in different gospels that his second coming would happen before the next generation. 3. A variety of marginal disagreements, 250 overseers of Solomon to 550, it's riddled with those of that kind.
pat5168 4 months ago
@pat5168 In the Jewish mind of the 1st century a part of a day was considered a full day. RE: the "next generation" alleged contradiction, The Greek word genea, translated “generation” here, does also mean the offspring of a common human ancestor. The generation of the Jews, who were called God's people rejected Jesus, but in the end times many Jews will accept Jesus as the Messiah. On a Macro Level, the generation of all of Mankind is another interpretation, but there is not enough room here
sentry221 4 months ago
@sentry221 If the designer itself that you have proposed needs no designer, why should other things?
pat5168 4 months ago
@pat5168 Because the designer (God) always has been. He is not limited to the time-space continuum. God is spirit. Man & the animal kingdom are physical, material. The super-natural world of God super-cedes the natural world. God created all the Laws of Physics that we give names to describe every physical process.
sentry221 4 months ago
@sentry221 Man made objects are known to require creators because of interpretation of past experience and we know that they cannot have formed naturally. Organic life can't be compared because we have no basis on which to assume it must have been created by an outside force. Natural selection in a way do produce designed outcomes, but they are dictated through natural and observable means. And if you want to do something with your life, it has a purpose, nothing else is relevant.
pat5168 4 months ago
@pat5168 Natural selection assumes that Organic Life which has structure & order happened by random processes. It does not prove nor answer what is the Catalyst why organic life turned out the way it did with all its varieties, colors, forms, etc other than just survival. To suggest such a concept goes beyond lunacy. That makes natural selection the most irrelevant concept man has ever come up with.
sentry221 4 months ago
100% of the evidence proves the Biblical account. People who continue to believe in the fairy tale of evolution are the most ignorant and illogical people on earth. It's amazing how mindless they are.They act like zombies.
AtheistSpanker 4 months ago
to me the girl wins the debate
suckmyazzz 4 months ago
Respond to this video... Well yes VFX does suffer from delusions of grandeur he also has a extreme case of Head Up Ass Syndrome !
420gma 4 months ago
Most of VFX's videos are mindbogglingly cringe worthy, but many are still hilarious to watch!! XD ...Search for:
VenomFangXsite by VenomFangArchive
Old Venom FangX by VenomFangArchive
Udderly Robed by VenomFangArchive
Seriously! He self pwns himself sooo much, he doesn't really need anyone to do it for him!! XD
But I'm glad there are people out there like Thunderf00t to point it out nonetheless! Thanks Thunderf00t!! =)
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NOT RELIGION........... .....SPIRITUAL SALVATION is the gift of God. You cannot earn it. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves,it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."Ephesians 2:8,9. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, & shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,thou shall be saved". Romans 10:9. Godbless
LordJesusChristtruth 4 months ago
better drink my own piss!
ITSNOSHER 4 months ago
Completel agree, debating the likes of him would give him an air of undeserved legitimacy.
pat5168 4 months ago 12
This is just a "rant" against some enemy. Boring. Take it down.
alyosha24601 4 months ago
@alyosha24601 You know what I love? Assholes like you who think that just because you personally dislike something so many other people do, your dislike makes you feel obligated to tell people what to do.
Not only is that pathetic, but it's also incredibly fucking selfish.
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@alyosha24601 why take it down? hes defending himself against bigotry.
theUKatheist 4 months ago
i do not understand ? i think any of this is above my understanding ? whats this about ?
deathdragonsoul 4 months ago
as a rationalist, laughing at creationist can not be helped
NaturalSelection101 5 months ago
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@NaturalSelection101 The fool has said in his heart there is no God.
sentry221 4 months ago
@sentry221 That is using circular reasoning. Saying that our planet is proof of a creator is like saying a hand knit doll is proof for my grandmother. Your argument for creation could be used for any religion. So if there's something that you think makes yours so different please explain. Those 'random processes' are fully explained if you have any interest in biology or physics.
pat5168 5 months ago
@pat5168 The explanation in biology or physics is ludicrous at best. Look, if you have a watch you wear on your arm you realize that someone had to design the watch. Organic life is no different. There had to be a designer, a power that caused life to come from non-life. It's no accident that Earth is the only Planet in the Universe with complex life. It is no accident that man is the only reasoning creature on the planet. We all have a spirit. You cannot see it, but it's easy to observe.
sentry221 4 months ago
@sentry221 You can't use a man-made object as evidence that there must be a creator for everything else. You can see a person making a watch. So yes, if I see a watch then with my past knowledge I know a person or machine had to have created it. However, since that is experimental and you can't experiment on the possibility of living beings being created at the beginning, it is falsified. Humans have human emotions, you can't compare it to other animals because we don't understand each other.
pat5168 4 months ago
@pat5168 Sure I can. Man-made objects are no different than organic life. Everything that is made has a purpose. To believe that we live in some world that just "happened" without any direction, thought, design or purpose is sadly on the level of high school daydreaming.
sentry221 4 months ago
@pat5168 Even a child can observe other humans and grasp the concept that humans are higher than animals because we have imagination, creativity, construct complex forms of society order we call government, monetary exchanges for trading, etc. In addition only man also has evil tendencies that animals don't. Animals kill to survive, just instincts. Man kills, connives, distorts, lies, deceives, manipulates, dictates, cheats, slanders and so on to get his own way.
sentry221 4 months ago
Simply put -- that was pure gold.
314Aurelius 5 months ago