I Struggle with school, And my Parents are constantly getting on to me about grades, and trying to work with me, However my teachers are worthless, spend too much time talking about personal life, have no sense of heart, rude, and ignorant. Teachers DO SUCK. It's not my job to have to pay for a tutor for anything, if my parents tax dollars are paying these fuckers, they better be good.
Certainly, parents should play an increased role in their child's education but poverty and standardized testing will always be the main reasons for why education lags in America.
A huge flaw in this argument is that Bill is assuming that every child has two parents in the household and the resources available to have a personal library at home. Because every child is presented with that opportunity, right?
While I completely agree that parents are primarily at fault for children not learning, it's also true that teachers don't teach children either -- and haven't been for many years now. I honestly wish parents COULD be fired from their job of raising children. Sadly we can't control how parents raise kids. We CAN, however, control how teachers teach kids.
As Bill Maher says, "Not all teachers are bad." In this I also agree. We should fire those who are incompetent, and replace them....
The poster below didn't listen to a single word that Maher said... every school, rich, poor or private, all have good & bad teachers. It's not the school, it's the parents! Parents must read books at home in front of their children other than the Bible! And get subscriptions to National Geographic & Ranger Rick!
Parental involvement is important but in order to make it a parental matter, first you have to have a system where the parents are free to choose what school their children go to, right now they cant (neglecting the option of priviate school) no matter how incompetent the school or the teachers. A system without competition inevitably fails, because those who fail inevitably succeed.
you know nothing about this who these kids parents are you base all your information on strereotypes tips& may adknowlege your not a parent but its still realy convenyant to blame people you know nothing about
if your kids are strogling in school or falling be hind or just slacking off do,nt blame the schools do,nt blame media do,nt blame bush blame your self
AS a teacher in the nyc public school system I can tell you that there is ZERO parent accountability!!!! this mayor is a complete disgrace and a shameful "leader". He has successfully turned the boe into the doe - which is now a glorified business/corporation instead of a place where true education takes place! Ask any nyc teacher with 5 years of experience or more and you will see. Maher hits this right on the head!!!!
Hold teachers accountable - but start issuing report cards to the parents and I guarantee you will see a change in attitudes. That aside, IMO Bill nailed it here. It seems usually his critics are angry that he's holding up a mirror to American society instead of stroking their egos and talking about how great we all are (we're not, by the way.) Regime change begins at home, and unless people realize this then our education will remain in shambles.
@msweneedtotalk China had been Communist for a good portion of the mid- to late-twentieth century, but lately, the whole Communist party thing has become more of a facade. China's more ruthlessly capitalist than any other nation in the world nowadays. From what I've gathered about the industries and manufacturing in China, I've gleaned that it's extremely deregulated over there. The working conditions are shitty; economic inequality is probably worse than it is here. China is far from socialist.
Granted it should be easier to fire a bad teacher, talented staff should be paid well.
Also, if both parents weren't forced to work I'm sure there'd be fringe benefits such as kids turning out NORMAL and therefore being drugged less. Too many shitty parents out there blaming ADD instead of themselves.
@mandapandazon thats bs both parents can work and still hold their children accountable and strees the importance of education. look at paris hilton both her parents didnt have to work look at george w bush. u shouldnt have to fire bad teachers because they shouldnt have been hired in the first place. either you know the material or u dont either you can teach or u cant if the latter in either case gently suggest another line of work from the beginning.
That's right, Maher, you don't have kids... and you also don't really have much of an education yourself. I'm guessing that's why you're a comedian... making smug jabs and smart-ass remarks is your only real talent, and even that is questionable.
In all honesty, I think we should fire the teachers, and disband the Department of Education while we're at it. Then the Parents will wake up to their responsibilities again, and only pay the teachers that they trust to get the job done right.
oppressed russian and chinese citizens would tell you to shove your political correctness up your ass. political correctness is not a freedom or a right or privelege, it's an oppression. but then again, americans are ignorant and have no clue about that. just look at maher run with political correctness as if it's some prize he won... LOL
whats so funny is... much as maher makes fun of dumb america.. he himself is ignorant and has no clue that political correctness is the first step towards communism. the uncultured swine doesnt know that communism is socialism. russia and china are not communist republics, they are socialist republics. political correctness is a tool governments use to control the masses. american freedoms are washed away by political correctness.
@jct09100 Very true... and welfare and warfare are also tools that the government uses to control the people. Taxes and redistribution of wealth are another huge part of it. Plus, funding local and state police with government money is another way to make a police-state and oppress the citizens, by making a police force that is loyal to the government and not the citizens. It's all been done before, and we need to wake up to it fast.
I don't think he is, but if he was, so what? communism in theory is good because it is the only way for true equality, but unfortunately it doesn't work, that's why I'm a democratic socialist, but I don't think he is a democratic socialist either.
In my four years of high school I only had two bad teachers. The rest of my teachers were fine. The reasons kids are failing lies flatly on them and their parents(most of the time). My evidence for this is my eleventh grade algebra 2 class. The class was always in order and the teacher taught very well. But guess what, more than half the class was failing. It was their fault, they simply didn't care. He would offer tutoring everyday and only a handful of kids would show up. We would have a
class period where we would do work in class and he was stationed at his desk ready to help. Most of the kids wouldn't even do their work and they would talk about other things (the number of kids asking for help was even smaller). And when progress report time came around these same kids would slander the teacher with "he's a sucky teacher" or "he's an asshole." Simply because he was strict and they were too stupid to pay attention or ask for help. Lazy and entitled kids are the problem.
Fire bad teachers but most importantly change the entire education system. Tests should matter more, in high schools there shouldn't be stupid projects and grades on homework or attitude. Teachers have too much power..they fuck around with student's grade. Ones they like (thumbs up high grade) ones they don't like not so much. They shouldn't be able to do that...
@kaziabir1 I'm 14 and at my school there is a computer literacy teacher who passes a student who never did their work with a B- because he did not like them. To me teachers are just glorified babysitters, but there still are bad parents who make it hard for children to learn. Both sides need fixing in my opinion.
@CliffBurtonRip92786 Same here. For me, I think it's the parents and the students mostly at fualt. I understand there are some bad teachers, but I don't think it's mostly their fualt.
@CliffBurtonRip92786 It's a cycle...If you don't fix the schools...how will you create bright parents..? because think, the students become next generation parents... and what you teach them in school, what you create is what you going to get. Don't talk stupid, you can only fix school/ education system, how are you going to fix parents? BY FIXING TODAY'S SCHOOLS...you see what I am saying..? It's not chicken and eggs..It's simple...
@kaziabir1 Yea you're right but the parent still needs to have some involvement in the child's life because there's still a portion of teaching a parent has to do that no teacher can, we need to reform our educational system and fund it properly of course, but neither side is entirely innocent and yes in essence today's students are tomorrows parents and of course you can't fix parents that goes against our freedom to act and live as we will but try and get parents to be apart of their kids life
@CliffBurtonRip92786 Did I not just explain myself? It seems we are speaking different languages. Let me try this again because I have hope, only way a parent would understand that he/she needs to be involved and on top of their game when it comes to their child is by ensuring they had proper education. Qualification of the teacher is more important than funding. These days, the people they hiring as "teachers" is shameful. It's pathetic that nowadays teachers act like street thugs.
And before anyone cries that my comment was sexist, my feeling is that either the father or mother can work. Both can work, but someone needs to raise the kid. Either one parent works and the other raises the kid or they both work and raise the kid. You can have career goals but if you are going to have kids you need to have a goal in life of being a good parent. However you do it is up to the parents.
Parents could teach their kids more if it wasn't due to high taxes and regulations that forces both parents to work to make a living. Also, if it wasn't for making women think they can have a goal of getting a career. They, along with fathers, can have career goals but both parents need to understand that if you are going to have a kid you also need to have a goal of being a good parent. Men use to work, women raised the kids. Now both parents work and no one raises the kids.
@whyamimrpink78 ... High taxes and regulations have NOTHING to do with both parents having to work to make a living. Over the past thirty years, wages have not kept pace with inflation (unless, of course, you're part of the top 1% earners in the country). Another large part of that is education, or lack thereof. For example, if one parent is an engineer, then he (or she) should make enough to support the whole family. If both parents are college drop-outs, on the other hand...
The education system can improve, but the main problem is that kids are socialized in ways that lead them to have negative attitudes toward education or drones that can not understand the importance of the attainment of knowledge.
The education system be better, but even if you go to a so called "bad school," you can still get an adequate education, at least to America's standards. The problem is that kids are socialized in ways that results in them having negative attitudes towards education and do not grasp the importance of the general idea of obtaining knowledge.
I totally agree, parents need to get their act together. They need to teach children the value of education, and that school isn't the social parade they think it is. parents should take responsibility for the first stages of education, teaching them to count; read; write; drawing basic shapes. Instead they let the television melt the little children's minds. "somebody has to kill the baby sitter!!" -Jim Carey as Chip Douglass, The Cable guy
I would just like to tell you that, I am a 36 year old man, and I love all my teachers that I had growing up. I wouldnt say they were the best , but they loved their job and looking back my god how does one put up with such disgusting little pukes talking back and just being disrespectful and mean. Yet they came back every day with a smile on there face, Which made me smile and think life is good. To blame a teacher for the way your worthless disrespectful child turns out is ridiculous.
That's america, you have the right to sue for any bullshit claims you want to. Did you see the news story were a woman sued a cinema and the publishing company for the movie Drive because it wasn't enough like Fast and the Furious.
@fantasticmoose Are you fucking serious? I thought the guy who sued White Castle because the seats weren't big enough was bad enough. He sued them after they gave him a shitload of free coupons which redeemed too.
I agree. I think one has to be a very patient dedicated person to be able to teach. I personally could not do it. Yet I always had very good dedicated teachers growing up, sometimes we would act like total assholes and brats and yet they came back and treated us so well. I still go back to reunions and brings flowers to those still working at my school.
Superintendant Deborah Gist asked the teachers to stay an extra hour on Fridays to come up with ideas on how to fix the schools in Central Falls. The teachers blew her off, telling her that their contract didn't allow for such an extra hour of work, and that they wanted more money besides. Gist then told them that they weren't employed anymore.
The teachers expected Obama to back them up, despite the disaster they'd made of their bankrupt schools. Obama backed Gist instead.
@DawnOfTheDead991 harsh dude. i mean you're not being completely ignorant because i live in black and hispanic areas ignorance has become a trend, but to say it is because genetics is kinda racist. I agree with Maher, it starts at home. ignorant people raise ignorant children, but its possible to break that cycle and good teachers do a good job at that.
@Abbadon380 it's basically a word that describes someone acting stupid, or that they "should have known" already. So if you say to me "the sky is blue" I might reply "duh!"...
Meh, yes and no. I've met many teachers that DEFINITELY needed to be fired. But I've met some parents that should have their children taken away. It's hard to say but I think they're equally responsible.
Actually it's the parents gens that makes the difference not their engagement. A child with bad gens raised in a home with books still don't get anywhere. Lookup Freakonomics. The only solution is to have license to get children, so stupid people can't get/have them.
I suggest that everyone should read a book called "The Flat World and Education". An additionally piece of advise would be to look into Bush's ""No Child Left Behind Act", which revolves around teaching to take a test instead of teaching to learn. Teachers are forced to teach for national assessments which are never used to improve anything. It says, hey these kids aren't learning what the government thinks they should, lets make a footnote and not address the issue.
the reason why teachers are blamed is usualy bechose the teachers teach something that shuld be teached but bechose the parents ither have some political or religius stance on something they get pissy teaching of something like evolution or what they call "liberal" bias. that is why these parents elect incompited teachers so they can spread the disinformation to schools.
@gethsoftware Really??? Firstly, the past tense of teach is TAUGHT. Secondly, the word is INCOMPETENT (you may want to Google the meaning, because clearly , you've missed the irony) and lastly, teachers aren't elected, they are HIRED!
Small wonder that the United States is rated 33rd in Reading literacy, when we have posters like you.
@bluegsp LOL. He's not a liberal. He's an independent as well as I am you dolt. We are independents. Get that? He speaks the truth. He gives everybody a media that we can trust instead of all the conservative stations like FOX, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN. You are an idiot.
@syzygy502 He is a liberal and because he is a liar, he claims to be "independent". You are just way too stupid for any accurate adjectives. Maher, (like you) wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in the ass. Where do you come up with this bullshit? XD
@bluegsp Na-huh? You sound like a 12 year old. Also, to let you know I have just been e-mailed by the Police Department and Homeland Security, and they both have a warrant for your arrest for your threatening my girlfriend and threatening the President.
@bluegsp was arrested today on charges to attempt to overthrow the United States government. He has had a criminal past in petty crime such as theft on lower-income Americans. He gained notoriety by slandering blacks and minorities. He also has alleged ties to neo-Nazi groups and the KKK. We will inform you when he gather further information.
@brpierce . Education has declined in this country since Jimmy Carter created the Dept of Education. Government doesn't do anything well or efficiently and running school is no different. We are last in the industrialized world in education and 1st in the amount of money spent on it. What's the liberal's solution? Throw more money at it. They are idiots and it is about time that teachers are accountable for the job they do.
So what is the job you think teachers should be accountable for? If a student spends his time playing XBox rather than doing homework, is that the teacher's responsibility? If a student never bothers to show up to school, is it the teacher's responsibility when he doesn't know the material?
Last I checked, "conservative" means holding people accountable for their OWN actions. That includes parents raising their children, and students doing their work.
@brpierce I am sick to death of idiots like you saying that teachers love kids more than their parents do, its bullshit and a lie. They love 3 months off in the summer, every benefit and perk (tenure) that is not available in the private sector. Yes, and when you are a teacher, you should be held accountable. The government should get out of the school business and leave it to the free market where you will get a quality product.
I'm sick to death of supposed "conservatives" who don't want to assign ANY responsibility to the parents or student, so I suppose we're even. I'll ask again: what exactly is the job for which teachers should be held accountable? Is it the quality of their teaching, or are they responsible for little Johnny's homework, too?
Oh, no, little Johnny has done no homework all year and got an "F?" He must have a bad teacher! It CERTAINLY can't be HIS fault!
@brpierce Its liberal shit stains like you who want to take responsibility away from people, make them dependent from cradle to grave. You don't even know what the problem is, most kids do their home work and get good grades in school, but they can't pass the standardized tests because they are learning about Brazilian deforestation and watching an Inconvenient Truth. Teachers neglect to throw in a little reading an writing and arithmetic.
@brpierce Its liberal shit stains like you who want to take responsibility away from people, make them dependent from cradle to grave. You don't even know what the problem is, most kids do their home work and get good grades in school, but they can't pass the standardized tests because they are learning about Brazilian deforestation and watching an Inconvenient Truth. Teachers neglect to throw in a little reading an writing and arithmetic.
@bluegsp ...blah, blah, liberal, blah blah global warming, blah blah blah whine moan...good Lord, are you capable of managing an original thought, or is EVERYTHING you spew out warmed-over political talking points? News flash for you, sparky: disagreeing with you doesn't make someone else "liberal," and parroting the crap you hear from talking heads sure as heck doesn't make you conservative.
Blaming parents for teachers not doing their job is protecting the biggest liberal lobby in the world and helping condemn children to a life of ignorance. You are the one with out an original thought, you are just parroting Mahrs insane, idiotic and factually inaccurate diatribe.
Pull your head out of your ass and let your brain get some oxygen.
@bluegsp Yes, I'm sure you believe many things. That doesn't make them true. The fact that you haven't been able to stop regurgitating pre-chewed talking points and actually make an intelligent point certainly isn't an argument in your favor.
Your belief that you "know what you're talking about" when it comes to education is comical, given your comic-book notion of schools as hotbeds of evil liberal brainwashing. Please, tell us, o expert: when's the last time you actually stepped into a public school classroom to SEE these evil things you assure us are going on there?
Don't tell me, let me guess: "I don't have to spend time there to know what's going on." Right?
@brpierce I have 4 kids in school, and I am in the class room and talking to each of their teachers at least 3 times a year (times 4 kids, makes 12 visits a year to the school). I spend time each night correcting the misinformation and false facts that they come home from school with.
I have destroyed you with my argument and shown that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Again, pull your head out of you ass.
"I have 4 kids in school, and I am in the class room and talking to each of their teachers at least 3 times a year (times 4 kids, makes 12 visits a year to the school). I spend time each night correcting the misinformation and false facts that they come home from school with."
No wonder they struggle on the tests. But, hey, I can see why you don't want any responsibility for student success to be assigned to the parents. Everything's clear now.
Now: you've been so busy playing the good little parrot that you've failed spectacularly to answer some very simple questions. That's okay; I'll give you another chance.
What, exactly, is a teacher's job, for which they should be held accountable? How would you measure teacher performance?
You work on that one for a while, sparky. Let us all know what you come up with. I'm sure it'll be fascinating.
"Teachers jobs are to teach. Teachers performance is measured by the standardized tests."
Ah, of COURSE. Because the standardized tests do such a fine job. Let's see how you'd react to a real-life scenario.
At school X, scores on the state standardized test have been high for several years. This year, though, they dropped significantly. Every single teacher's scores are down from last year by at least ten percent.
Should the teachers be disciplined for this obvious failure?
@brpierce Your "scenario" is childish, stupid and unrealistic. Everyone is judged on their performance and teachers should also. Standardized tests are a universal measure of learning. If certain schools and teachers fail to educate students to pass the tests than there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Blaming the parents is intellectually lazy and a disservice to children. Every profession has its slackers and teaching is no different.
"Your "scenario" is childish, stupid and unrealistic."
Actually, as I pointed out, it's a real-life scenario. It actually happened. Reading clearly isn't your strong suit.
In fact, the teachers WERE reprimanded for the drop...and then it was pointed out that EVERY school's scores had dropped, and the school in question had the third-highest scores in the entire state. In other words: the test was poorly designed.
Well, right now, I'm simply pointing out how only a drooling simpleton would say that standardized tests are a good measure of teacher performance. However, I'm being slightly unfair there: I should say "a drooling simpleton with no knowledge of conservative thought on education." Try reading Charles Murray's book on the subject at some point--you might learn something.
Since I doubt you will, let me summarize for you: Murray points out that one of the serious failings of modern public schools is that so much time is devoted to mastering the skills needed for the standardized tests that critical areas such as cultural capital and moral education have fallen by the wayside.
Let me know if you need me to explain what "cultural capital" is, and why a conservative should be concerned by its lack.
@brpierce Yeah, that is a good example of poor teaching. And if that is not bad enough, look up the teachers in Georgia having "Eraser Parties", where they actually get together and correct the tests before they are turned in.
It is not the job of the schools to teach "cultural capital" and "morals", those are to be learned and achieved individually with the help of a basic education.
"It is not the job of the schools to teach "cultural capital" and "morals", those are to be learned and achieved individually with the help of a basic education."
...thereby demonstrating once again that your claims of being a conservative are so much hot air. Of COURSE it's the job of the schools to teach cultural capital, and the fact that they DON'T is why so many students are so abysmally ignorant of American history and accomplishment.
"It is not the job of the schools to teach "cultural capital" and "morals", those are to be learned and achieved individually with the help of a basic education."
Wow. And you pretend to be a conservative? Not the job of the schools to teach American history and accomplishments? Not the job of schools to make students familiar with the classics? Not the job of schools to teach morals--one of the key components of traditional education until very recently?
@brpierce I'm sorry, you pretended that you knew what "cultural capital" is, but obviously you don't. "History", "the classics" are not "cultural capital". 'morals" defiantly have no place in the class room. You just keep exposing more and more of your ignorance with every post.
You do love your rhetoric, and it's cute the way you assume that anyone who doesn't cheer you on is an evil liberal. As it happens, I'm strongly opposed to teacher tenure, I think classroom observations should be unscheduled, and I consider ANY work related to improving student performance to be part of the basic job, not "extra duties."
I just recognize that dolts who think "Teach to the test!" is a good solution don't know a thing about education.
@brpierce Every study out there shows that most kids graduating from high school are not ready for college. They lack the basic skills required to further their education. My daughter is a high school junior and has a 3.7 gpa and wants to attend Annapolis. I have to send her to the Sylvan learning Center to become more proficient in math despite her good grades, because they are not up to the level required for entrance in the Naval Academy. Failure of the highschool.
Yep--those standardized tests she's been taking since kindergarten have sure done the trick, haven't they? I can see why you think they're such fine evidence of teacher performance!
Now, if you ask me, I'd say not letting students use calculators for basic arithmetic would be a good start, and having them drill on such skills regularly would also be in order, but...lo and behold! Parents complain about high levels of homework.
@brpierce It was the "standardized tests" that revealed her math deficiencies, (not the A's he received in class)
They absolutely identified poor math teachers not doing their jobs.
I agree, when I was in school, if you got caught with a calculator in school, you were cheating, today teachers require them in 1st grade. (most high school kids working at a convenience store can't make change for a dollar if the til doesn't tell them.)
The rest of your post is nothing but Red Herring bullshit.
@brpierce I treat liberal YouTube trolls the way they deserve to be treated. I have already demonstrated that I know far more than you do on this subject. You really haven't said anything but "blame the parents". Talk about a "drooling simpleton", you take the cake. XD
You'll notice that, despite the fact that I think that you're pompous, ill-mannered, and that your ignorance in this area is rivaled only by your arrogance, I haven't resorted to profanity.
This is because my parents WERE conservative, and taught me to conduct myself according to certain standards, and not make excuses when I fail to live up to those standards. One of those standards was using language befitting a Christian.
I'm sorry you apparently didn't have the same upbringing.
Yes, I know that's all you're able to get out of what I've said. Of course, if you were in any way competent, you'd have noticed that I advocated eliminating teacher tenure, increasing teacher responsibility, and emphasizing traditional skills.
You were too busy wailing like a wounded water buffalo over the notion that you might be in some way responsible for your child's success.
@brpierce What a sad and incoherent little ignorant moron you are. K12 is called "primary' education. Their job is to impart a basic education and prepare children for secondary education (college). They are failing miserable. So on top of the $10,000 per student per year the schools receive, you are suggesting that parents hire private schools to reinforce the basics that the school failed to teach in the first place. Typical liberal idiot.
You want to know why America's struggling in comparison to other countries? It's liberals like you (and yes, you are DEFINITELY a liberal) who believe EVERY child can do college-level work if we just really, really WISH hard and tell the teachers to do better. Harsh reality: not every child is college material, and other countries do better because they don't TRY to prepare all children equally.
@brpierce Wow, what a load of bullshit. 3.7 gpa is not "wishing", moron, it is a dedication to success at the subject matter offered. You really aren't making any sense (and you haven't all along) Your arguments are not only weak, but non existent.
"Wow, what a load of bullshit. 3.7 gpa is not "wishing", moron..."
...except, of course, that a few minutes ago you were whining about how those grades were inflated and didn't reflect your daughter's deficiencies in math. Which, of course, are entirely someone else's fault, and have nothing to do with either your daughter or you.
No personal accountability, no morals in schools, every child should go to college--could you sound more liberal if you tried?
Whereas countries like Germany and Japan have multiple tracks of education, and are willing to say "This child will never be a physicist, but might be a fine mechanic," we cling to the politically-correct notion that EVERY child can be a physicist, a neurosurgeon, or a concert pianist. While Germany and Japan focus on educating their best and brightest to the utmost, we shout "No child left behind!"--which also means that no child gets ahead.
@brpierce Of course an Anti American moron like you would suggest that some bureaucrat plan the future of children and discard the American ideal that you can be anything you want. You have made it clear that you are in favor of leaving children behind and anything else to protect the teachers union form any form of accountability. Still waiting for you to actually make a coherent point.
"Of course an Anti American moron like you would suggest that some bureaucrat plan the future of children and discard the American ideal that you can be anything you want."
Actually, the American ideal is that everyone gets to PURSUE happiness. It's not guaranteed. The idea that ANY child can accomplish ANYTHING is pure 1970's liberal feel-good brainwashing. Saying that any child can excel in college is as nonsensical as saying any child can excel in the NBA.
@brpierce Yeah, they used to say that blacks, Chinese, women, etc, and just about anyone who wasn't a white man couldn't play basketball also, so I guess you are telling me that you are a misogynistic racist as well, aren't you. You really are a silly and pathetically intellectually vacuous little moron aren't you.
...and in the meantime, we have dolts like you saying, "My child CAN be an NBA center! His gym teachers just aren't doing their jobs!"
The teacher, in the meantime, is saying "Four foot seven. Your child is eighteen and he's four foot seven."
A four foot seven child's never going to excel as an NBA player. A blind child is never going to excel as a combat pilot. That's true no matter HOW many times you say "Every child can do it!"
"Still waiting for you to actually make a coherent point. "
Still waiting for you to comprehend any of the coherent points I've already made.
I'm not waiting with bated breath, though. In fact, it's pretty obvious you're a lost cause, and your hippy-dippy no-personal-accountability political correctness is wearing a little thin. I don't know about you, but I have things to do. Maybe you should spend a little less time online and a little more time with your kids.
"You haven't made any points that make any sense."
...to a simpleton who apparently reads at a third-grade level.
"I accept your acknowledgement of your own stupidity and nonsensical babbling."
I accept your acknowledgement that you're a little blue three-headed alien from Beta Epsilon--y'know, since we're "accepting" things we made up out of whole cloth.
You know a troll is losing when they declare themselves the winner.
@brpierce The facts and evidence of your stupidity proved me "the winner" long ago.
Straw men, Red herrings and a whole slew of other logical fallacies only show that you have never had a legitimate point to make. On America’s latest exams (the National Assessment of Educational Progress), one-third or fewer of eighth-grade students were proficient in math, science, or reading. Yeah, that's "the parents" fault. XD You are an idiot. XD
But, hey, you have a good time "correcting evil liberal propaganda" while teaching your children that they're special little snowflakes, that the world owes them success, and that if they don't succeed, it's someone else's fault. Be sure you teach them that anyone who disagrees is a liberal and they should swear at them and in general conduct themselves like five-year-olds.
This is assuming that you bother to get offline and show an interest in them.
@brpierce ACT, the respected national organization that administers college-admissions tests, recently found that 76 percent of our high-school graduates “were not adequately prepared academically for first-year college courses.” "That's the parents fault" XD The teachers only get 3 months off in a row and every holiday known to man, how can they be expected to actually teach the children anything. XD You and Maher, what a couple of Bozo's XD
American education system has undergone decline for several years, yet American universities are still the top in the world. GIVE ME A BREAK !!!!!
Of course some parents are dumb, ignorant and should never have had kids, but hey, not everbody is good at everything in life and I do agree with the ones who asserts "can't afford kids, then don't have them!"
So true, sorry but being poor is no excuse to not be invested in your child's education. I see plenty of Hispanic and Asian family's who are financially disadvantaged take the time to be involved and their children are excellent students who love to learn.
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@niggboots I loved this video! ESpecially when he got to books in the house! WHen I was young, I was 235 Pounds! I didn't know my multiplication table at 12 years old! The only reason I Lost the weight is because I got Bacterial Meningitis when I was 12! I lost all memory at the time, and when I was in high school,my teachers did nothing but ridicule me! After transferring, I learned to walk, I learned t read and I began a book collection! I'm 19 now, and I've learned so much now that I
I Struggle with school, And my Parents are constantly getting on to me about grades, and trying to work with me, However my teachers are worthless, spend too much time talking about personal life, have no sense of heart, rude, and ignorant. Teachers DO SUCK. It's not my job to have to pay for a tutor for anything, if my parents tax dollars are paying these fuckers, they better be good.
waitandbleed1464 4 days ago
I'm a straight-A student; Please fire the worthless teachers that waste time during class
iRickder 5 days ago
Certainly, parents should play an increased role in their child's education but poverty and standardized testing will always be the main reasons for why education lags in America.
junaidnoorim 1 week ago
A huge flaw in this argument is that Bill is assuming that every child has two parents in the household and the resources available to have a personal library at home. Because every child is presented with that opportunity, right?
samwilliams973 1 week ago
Utterly great, he makes great points.
tonyrobbins2 1 week ago
While I completely agree that parents are primarily at fault for children not learning, it's also true that teachers don't teach children either -- and haven't been for many years now. I honestly wish parents COULD be fired from their job of raising children. Sadly we can't control how parents raise kids. We CAN, however, control how teachers teach kids.
As Bill Maher says, "Not all teachers are bad." In this I also agree. We should fire those who are incompetent, and replace them....
darkridr25 1 month ago
The poster below didn't listen to a single word that Maher said... every school, rich, poor or private, all have good & bad teachers. It's not the school, it's the parents! Parents must read books at home in front of their children other than the Bible! And get subscriptions to National Geographic & Ranger Rick!
BroadwayJosh 1 month ago
Parental involvement is important but in order to make it a parental matter, first you have to have a system where the parents are free to choose what school their children go to, right now they cant (neglecting the option of priviate school) no matter how incompetent the school or the teachers. A system without competition inevitably fails, because those who fail inevitably succeed.
GenericUsername271 1 month ago
you know nothing about this who these kids parents are you base all your information on strereotypes tips& may adknowlege your not a parent but its still realy convenyant to blame people you know nothing about
smartass250 1 month ago
if your kids are strogling in school or falling be hind or just slacking off do,nt blame the schools do,nt blame media do,nt blame bush blame your self
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smartass250 1 month ago
AS a teacher in the nyc public school system I can tell you that there is ZERO parent accountability!!!! this mayor is a complete disgrace and a shameful "leader". He has successfully turned the boe into the doe - which is now a glorified business/corporation instead of a place where true education takes place! Ask any nyc teacher with 5 years of experience or more and you will see. Maher hits this right on the head!!!!
fattycheeks 1 month ago
Hold teachers accountable - but start issuing report cards to the parents and I guarantee you will see a change in attitudes. That aside, IMO Bill nailed it here. It seems usually his critics are angry that he's holding up a mirror to American society instead of stroking their egos and talking about how great we all are (we're not, by the way.) Regime change begins at home, and unless people realize this then our education will remain in shambles.
CTyankee4277 1 month ago
@msweneedtotalk China had been Communist for a good portion of the mid- to late-twentieth century, but lately, the whole Communist party thing has become more of a facade. China's more ruthlessly capitalist than any other nation in the world nowadays. From what I've gathered about the industries and manufacturing in China, I've gleaned that it's extremely deregulated over there. The working conditions are shitty; economic inequality is probably worse than it is here. China is far from socialist.
DasherFlame9 1 month ago
This is his best monologue by far. Great speech!
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There are really bad teachers who take the place of young ones who have talent.
somalistarproduction 2 months ago
He tells it like it is!!!
BayAreaOrBust 2 months ago 2
Yep, parental involvement. Which is probably why homeschooled kids, on average, do so well in comparison to their peers.
studentofsmith 2 months ago 3
Granted it should be easier to fire a bad teacher, talented staff should be paid well.
Also, if both parents weren't forced to work I'm sure there'd be fringe benefits such as kids turning out NORMAL and therefore being drugged less. Too many shitty parents out there blaming ADD instead of themselves.
mandapandazon 2 months ago
@mandapandazon thats bs both parents can work and still hold their children accountable and strees the importance of education. look at paris hilton both her parents didnt have to work look at george w bush. u shouldnt have to fire bad teachers because they shouldnt have been hired in the first place. either you know the material or u dont either you can teach or u cant if the latter in either case gently suggest another line of work from the beginning.
splashjohnson 2 months ago
Fire all the teachers because of a few bad apples, reward all of wall street with 700 billion because of a few bad apples.
civilian4live 2 months ago 5
@civilian4live Yeah. We really have our priorities straight.
sillygoose544 2 months ago
Maher speaks truth to power.
mcquestion 3 months ago
That's right, Maher, you don't have kids... and you also don't really have much of an education yourself. I'm guessing that's why you're a comedian... making smug jabs and smart-ass remarks is your only real talent, and even that is questionable.
In all honesty, I think we should fire the teachers, and disband the Department of Education while we're at it. Then the Parents will wake up to their responsibilities again, and only pay the teachers that they trust to get the job done right.
melbyRick 3 months ago 3
oppressed russian and chinese citizens would tell you to shove your political correctness up your ass. political correctness is not a freedom or a right or privelege, it's an oppression. but then again, americans are ignorant and have no clue about that. just look at maher run with political correctness as if it's some prize he won... LOL
jct09100 3 months ago
whats so funny is... much as maher makes fun of dumb america.. he himself is ignorant and has no clue that political correctness is the first step towards communism. the uncultured swine doesnt know that communism is socialism. russia and china are not communist republics, they are socialist republics. political correctness is a tool governments use to control the masses. american freedoms are washed away by political correctness.
jct09100 3 months ago
@jct09100 Very true... and welfare and warfare are also tools that the government uses to control the people. Taxes and redistribution of wealth are another huge part of it. Plus, funding local and state police with government money is another way to make a police-state and oppress the citizens, by making a police force that is loyal to the government and not the citizens. It's all been done before, and we need to wake up to it fast.
melbyRick 3 months ago
thought Bush went to Yale
goldengrizz03 3 months ago
maher is a communist pig
jct09100 3 months ago 2
@jct09100
I don't think he is, but if he was, so what? communism in theory is good because it is the only way for true equality, but unfortunately it doesn't work, that's why I'm a democratic socialist, but I don't think he is a democratic socialist either.
Foxybingooo 3 months ago
I just got out of High School.
The teachers are horrible, and when the PTA finally relizes it the teachers unions just give the shit math teacher a promotion to different school
Salvysahagun 3 months ago
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In my four years of high school I only had two bad teachers. The rest of my teachers were fine. The reasons kids are failing lies flatly on them and their parents(most of the time). My evidence for this is my eleventh grade algebra 2 class. The class was always in order and the teacher taught very well. But guess what, more than half the class was failing. It was their fault, they simply didn't care. He would offer tutoring everyday and only a handful of kids would show up. We would have a
xMadReaperx 3 months ago
class period where we would do work in class and he was stationed at his desk ready to help. Most of the kids wouldn't even do their work and they would talk about other things (the number of kids asking for help was even smaller). And when progress report time came around these same kids would slander the teacher with "he's a sucky teacher" or "he's an asshole." Simply because he was strict and they were too stupid to pay attention or ask for help. Lazy and entitled kids are the problem.
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adi87tya 3 months ago
Fire bad teachers but most importantly change the entire education system. Tests should matter more, in high schools there shouldn't be stupid projects and grades on homework or attitude. Teachers have too much power..they fuck around with student's grade. Ones they like (thumbs up high grade) ones they don't like not so much. They shouldn't be able to do that...
kaziabir1 3 months ago
@kaziabir1 I'm 14 and at my school there is a computer literacy teacher who passes a student who never did their work with a B- because he did not like them. To me teachers are just glorified babysitters, but there still are bad parents who make it hard for children to learn. Both sides need fixing in my opinion.
CliffBurtonRip92786 3 months ago
@CliffBurtonRip92786 Same here. For me, I think it's the parents and the students mostly at fualt. I understand there are some bad teachers, but I don't think it's mostly their fualt.
lovesXtoXspoog 3 months ago
@CliffBurtonRip92786 It's a cycle...If you don't fix the schools...how will you create bright parents..? because think, the students become next generation parents... and what you teach them in school, what you create is what you going to get. Don't talk stupid, you can only fix school/ education system, how are you going to fix parents? BY FIXING TODAY'S SCHOOLS...you see what I am saying..? It's not chicken and eggs..It's simple...
kaziabir1 3 months ago
@kaziabir1 Yea you're right but the parent still needs to have some involvement in the child's life because there's still a portion of teaching a parent has to do that no teacher can, we need to reform our educational system and fund it properly of course, but neither side is entirely innocent and yes in essence today's students are tomorrows parents and of course you can't fix parents that goes against our freedom to act and live as we will but try and get parents to be apart of their kids life
CliffBurtonRip92786 3 months ago
@CliffBurtonRip92786 Did I not just explain myself? It seems we are speaking different languages. Let me try this again because I have hope, only way a parent would understand that he/she needs to be involved and on top of their game when it comes to their child is by ensuring they had proper education. Qualification of the teacher is more important than funding. These days, the people they hiring as "teachers" is shameful. It's pathetic that nowadays teachers act like street thugs.
kaziabir1 3 months ago
If the problem isn't the teachers, then let's stop blowing taxpayers money on them
TheMarksmenCat 3 months ago
Harvard gave us Bush? I thought it was Yale?
AdamRainStopper 3 months ago
@AdamRainStopper both
Abbadon380 3 months ago
@Abbadon380 Really? Man, money talks.
AdamRainStopper 3 months ago
maybe if kids watch bill maher instead of jersey shore they might increase their iq by 1 point
thatdutchguy420 3 months ago
And before anyone cries that my comment was sexist, my feeling is that either the father or mother can work. Both can work, but someone needs to raise the kid. Either one parent works and the other raises the kid or they both work and raise the kid. You can have career goals but if you are going to have kids you need to have a goal in life of being a good parent. However you do it is up to the parents.
whyamimrpink78 4 months ago
@whyamimrpink78 yo your right but your also forgetting about single parent homes
thatdutchguy420 3 months ago
Parents could teach their kids more if it wasn't due to high taxes and regulations that forces both parents to work to make a living. Also, if it wasn't for making women think they can have a goal of getting a career. They, along with fathers, can have career goals but both parents need to understand that if you are going to have a kid you also need to have a goal of being a good parent. Men use to work, women raised the kids. Now both parents work and no one raises the kids.
whyamimrpink78 4 months ago
@whyamimrpink78 amen.
TheMarksmenCat 3 months ago
@whyamimrpink78 ... High taxes and regulations have NOTHING to do with both parents having to work to make a living. Over the past thirty years, wages have not kept pace with inflation (unless, of course, you're part of the top 1% earners in the country). Another large part of that is education, or lack thereof. For example, if one parent is an engineer, then he (or she) should make enough to support the whole family. If both parents are college drop-outs, on the other hand...
emantabrizi 3 months ago
The education system can improve, but the main problem is that kids are socialized in ways that lead them to have negative attitudes toward education or drones that can not understand the importance of the attainment of knowledge.
TheQuaker10 4 months ago
The education system be better, but even if you go to a so called "bad school," you can still get an adequate education, at least to America's standards. The problem is that kids are socialized in ways that results in them having negative attitudes towards education and do not grasp the importance of the general idea of obtaining knowledge.
TheQuaker10 4 months ago
I totally agree, parents need to get their act together. They need to teach children the value of education, and that school isn't the social parade they think it is. parents should take responsibility for the first stages of education, teaching them to count; read; write; drawing basic shapes. Instead they let the television melt the little children's minds. "somebody has to kill the baby sitter!!" -Jim Carey as Chip Douglass, The Cable guy
justTOASTjr 4 months ago 3
I would just like to tell you that, I am a 36 year old man, and I love all my teachers that I had growing up. I wouldnt say they were the best , but they loved their job and looking back my god how does one put up with such disgusting little pukes talking back and just being disrespectful and mean. Yet they came back every day with a smile on there face, Which made me smile and think life is good. To blame a teacher for the way your worthless disrespectful child turns out is ridiculous.
mannymmv 4 months ago 86
@mannymmv
That's america, you have the right to sue for any bullshit claims you want to. Did you see the news story were a woman sued a cinema and the publishing company for the movie Drive because it wasn't enough like Fast and the Furious.
fantasticmoose 4 months ago 2
@fantasticmoose Are you fucking serious? I thought the guy who sued White Castle because the seats weren't big enough was bad enough. He sued them after they gave him a shitload of free coupons which redeemed too.
7477238 4 months ago
@7477238
Huh so youtube won't let me post the link but yeah try and find it (if you want to lose faith in all humanity).
I hope she doesn't actualy get what she wants.
fantasticmoose 4 months ago
@fantasticmoose Yeah I'm gonna google it in a bit. What has me scratching my head is if a lawyer would be stupid enough to take the case.
7477238 4 months ago
@mannymmv
I agree. I think one has to be a very patient dedicated person to be able to teach. I personally could not do it. Yet I always had very good dedicated teachers growing up, sometimes we would act like total assholes and brats and yet they came back and treated us so well. I still go back to reunions and brings flowers to those still working at my school.
INatalkaI 3 months ago
@mannymmv I hate all my teachers!
marketanarchist2011 3 months ago
Superintendant Deborah Gist asked the teachers to stay an extra hour on Fridays to come up with ideas on how to fix the schools in Central Falls. The teachers blew her off, telling her that their contract didn't allow for such an extra hour of work, and that they wanted more money besides. Gist then told them that they weren't employed anymore.
The teachers expected Obama to back them up, despite the disaster they'd made of their bankrupt schools. Obama backed Gist instead.
DrCruel 4 months ago
Ha! so true.
Yous0147 5 months ago
Trouble with the us is that too many black & hispanic students; two cultures that treasure ignorance and have genetics that make it possible
DawnOfTheDead991 5 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 i think you need to read a book. Get some education on the matter... you know... be less ignorant.
Jayjon81 5 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 harsh dude. i mean you're not being completely ignorant because i live in black and hispanic areas ignorance has become a trend, but to say it is because genetics is kinda racist. I agree with Maher, it starts at home. ignorant people raise ignorant children, but its possible to break that cycle and good teachers do a good job at that.
justTOASTjr 4 months ago
The gift of 'duh' !!!
dazzjazz 5 months ago 37
@dazzjazz question what is this duh word what does it mean
Abbadon380 4 months ago
@Abbadon380 it's basically a word that describes someone acting stupid, or that they "should have known" already. So if you say to me "the sky is blue" I might reply "duh!"...
dazzjazz 4 months ago
Meh, yes and no. I've met many teachers that DEFINITELY needed to be fired. But I've met some parents that should have their children taken away. It's hard to say but I think they're equally responsible.
SStrongIsNeverWrong 5 months ago
Actually it's the parents gens that makes the difference not their engagement. A child with bad gens raised in a home with books still don't get anywhere. Lookup Freakonomics. The only solution is to have license to get children, so stupid people can't get/have them.
LilFaerl 5 months ago
@LilFaerl WTF are gens? Don't you mean genes?
InsaneJediGirl 5 months ago
I suggest that everyone should read a book called "The Flat World and Education". An additionally piece of advise would be to look into Bush's ""No Child Left Behind Act", which revolves around teaching to take a test instead of teaching to learn. Teachers are forced to teach for national assessments which are never used to improve anything. It says, hey these kids aren't learning what the government thinks they should, lets make a footnote and not address the issue.
snowwhite6681 5 months ago
Watch "Waiting for Superman"
tgt305 5 months ago 2
the reason why teachers are blamed is usualy bechose the teachers teach something that shuld be teached but bechose the parents ither have some political or religius stance on something they get pissy teaching of something like evolution or what they call "liberal" bias. that is why these parents elect incompited teachers so they can spread the disinformation to schools.
gethsoftware 5 months ago
@gethsoftware Looks like that education is serving you well!
KarmaEnforcer 5 months ago
@KarmaEnforcer english is not my first lanuage. if you excuse me.
gethsoftware 5 months ago
@gethsoftware Really??? Firstly, the past tense of teach is TAUGHT. Secondly, the word is INCOMPETENT (you may want to Google the meaning, because clearly , you've missed the irony) and lastly, teachers aren't elected, they are HIRED!
Small wonder that the United States is rated 33rd in Reading literacy, when we have posters like you.
ozzieiniowa 5 months ago
@ozzieiniowa hey take it easy o the guy, im pretty sure he on your side anyway.
justTOASTjr 4 months ago
@gethsoftware I don't know whether you are writing like that for effect or if public education is NOT serving you well.
meateatingvegans 5 months ago
Let's get real maher. Maybe if we were tougher on our teachers they would start to do a better job.
USfutbol 5 months ago
@USfutbol Year! and beat the stupid children... Are you a retard?
LilFaerl 5 months ago
What a vile, stupid and offensive piece of shit.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp Why are you talking about yourself like that?
syzygy502 5 months ago
@syzygy502 I'm talking about people like you and Maher. Of course you already know that and I have demonstrated it on numerous threads.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp Maher is a true American hero for exposing boobs like Palin. Then again, no wonder she has boobs, because she is a boob.
syzygy502 5 months ago
@syzygy502 Maher is a lying liberal propagandists, you are a childish idiot. Not much difference really.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp LOL. He's not a liberal. He's an independent as well as I am you dolt. We are independents. Get that? He speaks the truth. He gives everybody a media that we can trust instead of all the conservative stations like FOX, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN. You are an idiot.
syzygy502 5 months ago
@syzygy502 He is a liberal and because he is a liar, he claims to be "independent". You are just way too stupid for any accurate adjectives. Maher, (like you) wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in the ass. Where do you come up with this bullshit? XD
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp He is not a liar. You are the liar. Also, you're the one spewing bullshit.
syzygy502 5 months ago
@syzygy502 Na-huh, you are. XD
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp Na-huh? You sound like a 12 year old. Also, to let you know I have just been e-mailed by the Police Department and Homeland Security, and they both have a warrant for your arrest for your threatening my girlfriend and threatening the President.
syzygy502 5 months ago
@syzygy502 Na-huh. XD
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp was arrested today on charges to attempt to overthrow the United States government. He has had a criminal past in petty crime such as theft on lower-income Americans. He gained notoriety by slandering blacks and minorities. He also has alleged ties to neo-Nazi groups and the KKK. We will inform you when he gather further information.
syzygy502 5 months ago
@syzygy502 Na-huh. XD
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
Gosh, you're right. The idea that parents should take responsibility for raising their children...how very liberal and offensive!
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce . Education has declined in this country since Jimmy Carter created the Dept of Education. Government doesn't do anything well or efficiently and running school is no different. We are last in the industrialized world in education and 1st in the amount of money spent on it. What's the liberal's solution? Throw more money at it. They are idiots and it is about time that teachers are accountable for the job they do.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
So what is the job you think teachers should be accountable for? If a student spends his time playing XBox rather than doing homework, is that the teacher's responsibility? If a student never bothers to show up to school, is it the teacher's responsibility when he doesn't know the material?
Last I checked, "conservative" means holding people accountable for their OWN actions. That includes parents raising their children, and students doing their work.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce I am sick to death of idiots like you saying that teachers love kids more than their parents do, its bullshit and a lie. They love 3 months off in the summer, every benefit and perk (tenure) that is not available in the private sector. Yes, and when you are a teacher, you should be held accountable. The government should get out of the school business and leave it to the free market where you will get a quality product.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
I'm sick to death of supposed "conservatives" who don't want to assign ANY responsibility to the parents or student, so I suppose we're even. I'll ask again: what exactly is the job for which teachers should be held accountable? Is it the quality of their teaching, or are they responsible for little Johnny's homework, too?
Oh, no, little Johnny has done no homework all year and got an "F?" He must have a bad teacher! It CERTAINLY can't be HIS fault!
Please.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce Its liberal shit stains like you who want to take responsibility away from people, make them dependent from cradle to grave. You don't even know what the problem is, most kids do their home work and get good grades in school, but they can't pass the standardized tests because they are learning about Brazilian deforestation and watching an Inconvenient Truth. Teachers neglect to throw in a little reading an writing and arithmetic.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@brpierce Its liberal shit stains like you who want to take responsibility away from people, make them dependent from cradle to grave. You don't even know what the problem is, most kids do their home work and get good grades in school, but they can't pass the standardized tests because they are learning about Brazilian deforestation and watching an Inconvenient Truth. Teachers neglect to throw in a little reading an writing and arithmetic.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp ...blah, blah, liberal, blah blah global warming, blah blah blah whine moan...good Lord, are you capable of managing an original thought, or is EVERYTHING you spew out warmed-over political talking points? News flash for you, sparky: disagreeing with you doesn't make someone else "liberal," and parroting the crap you hear from talking heads sure as heck doesn't make you conservative.
Come back when you:
a. know what you're talking about, and
b. have an original thought to offer.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce I believe I have proven that I
a. know what I am talking about.
b. You don't know what you are talking about.
Blaming parents for teachers not doing their job is protecting the biggest liberal lobby in the world and helping condemn children to a life of ignorance. You are the one with out an original thought, you are just parroting Mahrs insane, idiotic and factually inaccurate diatribe.
Pull your head out of your ass and let your brain get some oxygen.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp Yes, I'm sure you believe many things. That doesn't make them true. The fact that you haven't been able to stop regurgitating pre-chewed talking points and actually make an intelligent point certainly isn't an argument in your favor.
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brpierce 5 months ago
@bluegsp
Your belief that you "know what you're talking about" when it comes to education is comical, given your comic-book notion of schools as hotbeds of evil liberal brainwashing. Please, tell us, o expert: when's the last time you actually stepped into a public school classroom to SEE these evil things you assure us are going on there?
Don't tell me, let me guess: "I don't have to spend time there to know what's going on." Right?
God save us from faux-conservative know nothings.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce I have 4 kids in school, and I am in the class room and talking to each of their teachers at least 3 times a year (times 4 kids, makes 12 visits a year to the school). I spend time each night correcting the misinformation and false facts that they come home from school with.
I have destroyed you with my argument and shown that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Again, pull your head out of you ass.
bluegsp 5 months ago
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@bluegsp
"I have 4 kids in school, and I am in the class room and talking to each of their teachers at least 3 times a year (times 4 kids, makes 12 visits a year to the school). I spend time each night correcting the misinformation and false facts that they come home from school with."
No wonder they struggle on the tests. But, hey, I can see why you don't want any responsibility for student success to be assigned to the parents. Everything's clear now.
brpierce 5 months ago
@bluegsp
Now: you've been so busy playing the good little parrot that you've failed spectacularly to answer some very simple questions. That's okay; I'll give you another chance.
What, exactly, is a teacher's job, for which they should be held accountable? How would you measure teacher performance?
You work on that one for a while, sparky. Let us all know what you come up with. I'm sure it'll be fascinating.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce Teachers jobs are to teach. Teachers performance is measured by the standardized tests. I have already told you this moron.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
"Teachers jobs are to teach. Teachers performance is measured by the standardized tests."
Ah, of COURSE. Because the standardized tests do such a fine job. Let's see how you'd react to a real-life scenario.
At school X, scores on the state standardized test have been high for several years. This year, though, they dropped significantly. Every single teacher's scores are down from last year by at least ten percent.
Should the teachers be disciplined for this obvious failure?
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce Your "scenario" is childish, stupid and unrealistic. Everyone is judged on their performance and teachers should also. Standardized tests are a universal measure of learning. If certain schools and teachers fail to educate students to pass the tests than there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Blaming the parents is intellectually lazy and a disservice to children. Every profession has its slackers and teaching is no different.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
"Your "scenario" is childish, stupid and unrealistic."
Actually, as I pointed out, it's a real-life scenario. It actually happened. Reading clearly isn't your strong suit.
In fact, the teachers WERE reprimanded for the drop...and then it was pointed out that EVERY school's scores had dropped, and the school in question had the third-highest scores in the entire state. In other words: the test was poorly designed.
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brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce You are talking in circles, were teachers "fired", "reprimanded" or what? What are you talking about? And how is this the parents fault?
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
Well, right now, I'm simply pointing out how only a drooling simpleton would say that standardized tests are a good measure of teacher performance. However, I'm being slightly unfair there: I should say "a drooling simpleton with no knowledge of conservative thought on education." Try reading Charles Murray's book on the subject at some point--you might learn something.
brpierce 5 months ago
@bluegsp
Since I doubt you will, let me summarize for you: Murray points out that one of the serious failings of modern public schools is that so much time is devoted to mastering the skills needed for the standardized tests that critical areas such as cultural capital and moral education have fallen by the wayside.
Let me know if you need me to explain what "cultural capital" is, and why a conservative should be concerned by its lack.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce Yeah, that is a good example of poor teaching. And if that is not bad enough, look up the teachers in Georgia having "Eraser Parties", where they actually get together and correct the tests before they are turned in.
It is not the job of the schools to teach "cultural capital" and "morals", those are to be learned and achieved individually with the help of a basic education.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
"It is not the job of the schools to teach "cultural capital" and "morals", those are to be learned and achieved individually with the help of a basic education."
...thereby demonstrating once again that your claims of being a conservative are so much hot air. Of COURSE it's the job of the schools to teach cultural capital, and the fact that they DON'T is why so many students are so abysmally ignorant of American history and accomplishment.
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brpierce 5 months ago
@bluegsp
"It is not the job of the schools to teach "cultural capital" and "morals", those are to be learned and achieved individually with the help of a basic education."
Wow. And you pretend to be a conservative? Not the job of the schools to teach American history and accomplishments? Not the job of schools to make students familiar with the classics? Not the job of schools to teach morals--one of the key components of traditional education until very recently?
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce I'm sorry, you pretended that you knew what "cultural capital" is, but obviously you don't. "History", "the classics" are not "cultural capital". 'morals" defiantly have no place in the class room. You just keep exposing more and more of your ignorance with every post.
bluegsp 5 months ago
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@bluegsp
You do love your rhetoric, and it's cute the way you assume that anyone who doesn't cheer you on is an evil liberal. As it happens, I'm strongly opposed to teacher tenure, I think classroom observations should be unscheduled, and I consider ANY work related to improving student performance to be part of the basic job, not "extra duties."
I just recognize that dolts who think "Teach to the test!" is a good solution don't know a thing about education.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce Every study out there shows that most kids graduating from high school are not ready for college. They lack the basic skills required to further their education. My daughter is a high school junior and has a 3.7 gpa and wants to attend Annapolis. I have to send her to the Sylvan learning Center to become more proficient in math despite her good grades, because they are not up to the level required for entrance in the Naval Academy. Failure of the highschool.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
"Failure of the highschool."
Yep--those standardized tests she's been taking since kindergarten have sure done the trick, haven't they? I can see why you think they're such fine evidence of teacher performance!
Now, if you ask me, I'd say not letting students use calculators for basic arithmetic would be a good start, and having them drill on such skills regularly would also be in order, but...lo and behold! Parents complain about high levels of homework.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce It was the "standardized tests" that revealed her math deficiencies, (not the A's he received in class)
They absolutely identified poor math teachers not doing their jobs.
I agree, when I was in school, if you got caught with a calculator in school, you were cheating, today teachers require them in 1st grade. (most high school kids working at a convenience store can't make change for a dollar if the til doesn't tell them.)
The rest of your post is nothing but Red Herring bullshit.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
Incidentally, that's a FINE example you're setting for your kids. Do you teach them to call others with whom they disagree "shit stains?"
But, don't tell me, let me guess: when they swear in school and are utterly disrespectful to their elders, that's the teacher's fault, too.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce I treat liberal YouTube trolls the way they deserve to be treated. I have already demonstrated that I know far more than you do on this subject. You really haven't said anything but "blame the parents". Talk about a "drooling simpleton", you take the cake. XD
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp "I treat liberal YouTube trolls the way they deserve to be treated."
Lovely rationale. So when your child calls an adult a "shit stain," will you say, "He had it coming, he was a liberal!"
Of course, it's even more amusing since you seem to think "liberal" means "anyone who doesn't say nice things about you."
"I have already demonstrated that I know far more than you do on this subject."
That would be funnier if your ignorance didn't border on neglect.
brpierce 5 months ago
@bluegsp
You'll notice that, despite the fact that I think that you're pompous, ill-mannered, and that your ignorance in this area is rivaled only by your arrogance, I haven't resorted to profanity.
This is because my parents WERE conservative, and taught me to conduct myself according to certain standards, and not make excuses when I fail to live up to those standards. One of those standards was using language befitting a Christian.
I'm sorry you apparently didn't have the same upbringing.
brpierce 5 months ago
@bluegsp
"You really haven't said anything but "blame the parents"."
Well, nothing that you're bright enough to understand, at any rate. No surprise there.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce "blame the parents" has been your ONLY message. The ignorance and stupidity is yours, jackass. XD
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
""blame the parents" has been your ONLY message."
Yes, I know that's all you're able to get out of what I've said. Of course, if you were in any way competent, you'd have noticed that I advocated eliminating teacher tenure, increasing teacher responsibility, and emphasizing traditional skills.
You were too busy wailing like a wounded water buffalo over the notion that you might be in some way responsible for your child's success.
How utterly predictable.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce What a sad and incoherent little ignorant moron you are. K12 is called "primary' education. Their job is to impart a basic education and prepare children for secondary education (college). They are failing miserable. So on top of the $10,000 per student per year the schools receive, you are suggesting that parents hire private schools to reinforce the basics that the school failed to teach in the first place. Typical liberal idiot.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
"Their job is to impart a basic education and prepare children for secondary education (college)."
Actually, the notion that every child should go to college is recent, feel-good, liberal claptrap.
"They are failing miserable."
That's "miserably."
"...you are suggesting that parents hire private schools to reinforce the basics that the school failed to teach in the first place."
Err...no. You really do suck at reading. You were the one child left behind, weren't you?
brpierce 5 months ago
@bluegsp
You want to know why America's struggling in comparison to other countries? It's liberals like you (and yes, you are DEFINITELY a liberal) who believe EVERY child can do college-level work if we just really, really WISH hard and tell the teachers to do better. Harsh reality: not every child is college material, and other countries do better because they don't TRY to prepare all children equally.
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brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce Wow, what a load of bullshit. 3.7 gpa is not "wishing", moron, it is a dedication to success at the subject matter offered. You really aren't making any sense (and you haven't all along) Your arguments are not only weak, but non existent.
bluegsp 5 months ago
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@bluegsp
"Wow, what a load of bullshit. 3.7 gpa is not "wishing", moron..."
...except, of course, that a few minutes ago you were whining about how those grades were inflated and didn't reflect your daughter's deficiencies in math. Which, of course, are entirely someone else's fault, and have nothing to do with either your daughter or you.
No personal accountability, no morals in schools, every child should go to college--could you sound more liberal if you tried?
brpierce 5 months ago
"You really aren't making any sense (and you haven't all along)"
Your lack of comprehension isn't my problem. I'm not your teacher; blame them. It's all you seem to be good at.
brpierce 5 months ago
@bluegsp
Whereas countries like Germany and Japan have multiple tracks of education, and are willing to say "This child will never be a physicist, but might be a fine mechanic," we cling to the politically-correct notion that EVERY child can be a physicist, a neurosurgeon, or a concert pianist. While Germany and Japan focus on educating their best and brightest to the utmost, we shout "No child left behind!"--which also means that no child gets ahead.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce Of course an Anti American moron like you would suggest that some bureaucrat plan the future of children and discard the American ideal that you can be anything you want. You have made it clear that you are in favor of leaving children behind and anything else to protect the teachers union form any form of accountability. Still waiting for you to actually make a coherent point.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
"Of course an Anti American moron like you would suggest that some bureaucrat plan the future of children and discard the American ideal that you can be anything you want."
Actually, the American ideal is that everyone gets to PURSUE happiness. It's not guaranteed. The idea that ANY child can accomplish ANYTHING is pure 1970's liberal feel-good brainwashing. Saying that any child can excel in college is as nonsensical as saying any child can excel in the NBA.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce Yeah, they used to say that blacks, Chinese, women, etc, and just about anyone who wasn't a white man couldn't play basketball also, so I guess you are telling me that you are a misogynistic racist as well, aren't you. You really are a silly and pathetically intellectually vacuous little moron aren't you.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
...and in the meantime, we have dolts like you saying, "My child CAN be an NBA center! His gym teachers just aren't doing their jobs!"
The teacher, in the meantime, is saying "Four foot seven. Your child is eighteen and he's four foot seven."
A four foot seven child's never going to excel as an NBA player. A blind child is never going to excel as a combat pilot. That's true no matter HOW many times you say "Every child can do it!"
brpierce 5 months ago
@bluegsp
"Still waiting for you to actually make a coherent point. "
Still waiting for you to comprehend any of the coherent points I've already made.
I'm not waiting with bated breath, though. In fact, it's pretty obvious you're a lost cause, and your hippy-dippy no-personal-accountability political correctness is wearing a little thin. I don't know about you, but I have things to do. Maybe you should spend a little less time online and a little more time with your kids.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce You haven't made any points that make any sense. Only excuses for bad teachers who don't do their jobs.
I accept your acknowledgement of your own stupidity and nonsensical babbling.
You have been a shining example of our failing school system.
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
"You haven't made any points that make any sense."
...to a simpleton who apparently reads at a third-grade level.
"I accept your acknowledgement of your own stupidity and nonsensical babbling."
I accept your acknowledgement that you're a little blue three-headed alien from Beta Epsilon--y'know, since we're "accepting" things we made up out of whole cloth.
You know a troll is losing when they declare themselves the winner.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce The facts and evidence of your stupidity proved me "the winner" long ago.
Straw men, Red herrings and a whole slew of other logical fallacies only show that you have never had a legitimate point to make. On America’s latest exams (the National Assessment of Educational Progress), one-third or fewer of eighth-grade students were proficient in math, science, or reading. Yeah, that's "the parents" fault. XD You are an idiot. XD
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
But, hey, you have a good time "correcting evil liberal propaganda" while teaching your children that they're special little snowflakes, that the world owes them success, and that if they don't succeed, it's someone else's fault. Be sure you teach them that anyone who disagrees is a liberal and they should swear at them and in general conduct themselves like five-year-olds.
This is assuming that you bother to get offline and show an interest in them.
You have a nice day, now.
brpierce 5 months ago
@brpierce ACT, the respected national organization that administers college-admissions tests, recently found that 76 percent of our high-school graduates “were not adequately prepared academically for first-year college courses.” "That's the parents fault" XD The teachers only get 3 months off in a row and every holiday known to man, how can they be expected to actually teach the children anything. XD You and Maher, what a couple of Bozo's XD
bluegsp 5 months ago
American education system has undergone decline for several years, yet American universities are still the top in the world. GIVE ME A BREAK !!!!!
Of course some parents are dumb, ignorant and should never have had kids, but hey, not everbody is good at everything in life and I do agree with the ones who asserts "can't afford kids, then don't have them!"
duduvissotto 5 months ago
Yes lets fire the parents and send the kids over to Bill Maher's house! Maybe he would do better?
tkcarr 5 months ago
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Thank you Bill! I have been saying this for years
yodellikeyoumeanit09 6 months ago
Teachers that need to be fired love to blame the students and parents.
MendingMedia 6 months ago
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jtamezf 6 months ago
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@mrcheese645 hey that's rude, and very inconsiderate towards faggots.
SilveradoNL 6 months ago
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SilveradoNL 6 months ago
So true, sorry but being poor is no excuse to not be invested in your child's education. I see plenty of Hispanic and Asian family's who are financially disadvantaged take the time to be involved and their children are excellent students who love to learn.
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Yeaa about time :-)
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