oh and thanks for this video. It is an excellent example of the crazy. LOL -Nothing like seeing how long a line his wives would make. Unbelievable. thanks again
If everyone would get their heads out of their you know what's, then you could see plainly . Mr. Smith was crazy and people FOLLOWED the crazy. Just another cult. Sorry but no one can debate me and win. I've seen what this kinda mental religion really is. The guy manipulated a lot of people and I personally didn't think brainwashing would work. But it did.
Joseph Smith is a fraud and so are all religions. Who told Joseph Smith to use 34 sex slaves, a talking snake? wonder what language that snake spoke.
I always thought wrong by Joseph Smith mostly polygamous marriages with underage girls. This was a huge mistake of the Mormon church, the Mormon sect. I did not know there was bitching in the Mormon church at this ratio, which even married men had their wives!
I like the video and the idea of this historical reinactment. The participants were too benign if anything. History is important. Those who ignore it or distort it are committing mind crime. Most Mormons are oblivious to the real history of Mormonism's beginings. Religion, in general, sells belief in fairy tales and then improves on them to make them more comfortable to believe in, more plausible, etc. Religion is dangerous and your exposure of it in this way is important and appropriate.
@Truthsleuth5 Would you also say that most Catholics and Protestants are also oblivious to the fact that many of the Biblical Prophets including Abraham, Issac, Jacob etc also lived the law of plural marriage? Biblical Prophets were asked of God to do the same as Joseph Smith. Polygamy although difficult to fully understand should not be confused with the sin of adultery. The Lord’s law of marriage is monogamy unless he commands otherwise to help establish the House of Israel.
@troybank Most definately they are oblivious to those statements in the Bible. That is one more example of how these writings of all religions are interpreted to fit their own desired doctrine. The Koran is the same way--also polygamist. The Bronze Age spawned many ignorant and bad ideas. I don't think ppl confuse polygamy with adultery. Both are justified in certain circumstances with "consenting adult parties;" but both are foolish, too. The institution of marriage is the problem.
Even the Mormon church has had to admit that JS was married to all of these women while he was alive. Most were behind his wife, Emma's back & he was sealed to many of these women even before he was sealed to Emma because she would not accept polygamy. JS married young teenagers & other men's wives. This is all documented & much of it is in William Clayton's own hand writing and records (JS's secretary for many years). The truth is there for active Mormons to find, but they don't want to see it.
Lucinda Morgan Harris was wife 3. She married Joe after Hubby Morgan Harris was ritually murdered by Knights Templars Freemasons ("The Morgan Affair" Research it, also on my page) and then Lucinda married Joe after he was dead. For Eternity! and she married Hubby Harris for time, the same day, while he was alive.Mormonism is funny! But how did Lucinda feel loosing 2 hubby's to Freemason ritual Murders? Joe and everyone in Carthage jail was a Freemason and Everyone outside was a Freemason,yep.
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Disrupting the Mormon pageant was self serving, and isnt how Christ taught Christians to act. This stunt was more about SHOW and your personal gratification in bashing another religion than loving one another as Christ has taught. Go out in the world and show your faith by doing some good, serving your neighbor, and if you must preach, do so in a way that doesn't mock or with a desire to offend or stir up contention.
@troybank - How were they bashing the Mormons or being disruptive by being there? It seems to me they were simply honoring Joseph Smith and his divine revelation of plural marriage. Furthermore, they were illustrating true Mormon history that they try to sweep under the rug. It was after my learning that JS had so many wives, 35 years into my Mormon dedication, that I started to question why I never heard this. It was the begining of my life of questioning and my escape--now a happy atheist.
@Truthsleuth5 If its not obvious to you that they are mocking mormon history/beliefs, then there is hardly anything I can say that can help you see past your resentment of the church. I'm sorry you knew so little about your beliefs and after 35 years questions about polygamy was all it took for you to change your mind.
These bashers forgot to condemn Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc for polygamy as well! I'm not a pro-polygamist, but I am pro-Christ. And if Christ himself referred to His Father as the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" - giving tribute to flagrant polygamists, that is enough for me to reserve judgment or the type of mob mentality that ended up murdering Joseph. All religious belief, when striped down to its core elements, boils down to faith.
@troybank: I was kidding; of course it was mocking, but it was polite mocking. I think it's OK when children at school tease other kids for still believing in Santa Claus at age 12--painful as it is for the one being teased. They will be damn glad it happenned when they realize they had beeen duped. It is time for people to come out of the ether. I also find it funny when people who ridicule Mormons are of some other silly religion. Learning of JS wives was merely my wakeup slap.
@troybank That is a silly metaphor about OBL. Hitler may have been sweet to his lovers, too. As with a child, when learning of the fraud of Santa Claus suffers embarrassment and humiliation, so to do adults when confronted with facts they are resistant to accept. But once they consider the new insights, and realize they are true (if they are) they are grateful to have the truth and to move forward from there. Truth is often hard to accept, but liberating when you learn it and know it.
@Truthsleuth5 The greatest event that has ever occurred in the world, since the resurrection of the Son of God from the tomb and his ascension on high, was the coming of the Father and of the Son to that boy Joseph Smith, to prepare the way for the laying of the foundation of his kingdom to never be overturned.
Having accepted this truth, and a witness of God, I find it easy to accept every other truth that he enunciated and declared during his mission of fourteen years in the world. Miraculous.
@troybank That is a well stated position, and wholly consistent with the beliefs of most Mormons. I spoke very similarly a few years back. " Accepting every other truth" declared by JS is all well and good--he stated many truths. Many other religions take this same approach. The problem is that he, and other religious leaders also speak many untruths, create and spread myth and delusion (sometimes unwittingly). People become duped when they ignore that and don't question or verify origins.
@Truthsleuth5 I have Gods spirit and love as my witness. The proof that God exists and that Joseph was his mouthpiece on earth can be found in the millions of lives that have changed for the better. Looking from your Atheist perspective, what does it matter if I believe in an afterlife? Everyday the Gospel of Jesus Christ lifts and inspires me to love and serve my fellow man. This church helps bad men to become good, and good men to become great. This is not make believe. I am living proof!
@troybank To say that there are many good and great Mormons is a true statement. But those people might be greater without religion. There were many good aspects to my Mormon upbringing. I think I turned out great. But all the morality I learned, can be learned with out the religious backdrop. I teach my kids all of that and more, and they are living proof. Religious practice wastes valuable time, wallowing in guilt, praying, worrying, obligatory callings, reading and discussing myth. cont
@Truthsleuth5 The irony in believing you don't need God or "religion" to teach morals is that those morals and any "good" you are teaching your kids originated from God... they are eternal truths, not man made. So in a way, you are very much still practicing religion :D
@troybank Part 2: The reason many atheists have that "missionary zeal" to expose myth, is because the more vociferous of us, were duped by religion. We have experienced life both in and out, and we want to make sure believers don't stay duped forever and waste their life. It is an act of love and caring to try and show that "life is better out here." It is more full & rich. My soul is liberated and it feels great, the world of science is far more beautiful. Plus religions hurt society.
@Truthsleuth5 Either that, or you were duped when you left your faith... only time will tell ;) Having felt an inkling of God's immense love for us all, I don't think Atheists are doomed to have a crummy life just because they haven't developed a strong faith muscle. But I do know that my prayers have been answered, and I know without any doubt God exists. He has visited me. And I found it interesting that you mentioned your "soul" is liberated, in recognition of a soul that exists within you.
@Truthsleuth5 Your comment talking about Santa Clause that is a invalid statement both sides can say this about each other. But I will say a lot of claims Anti Mormons make against us some of it can be answered just by simply looking it up in their own Bible. Such as there is supposed to be no additional scripture after the Bible. Anti Mormons always site the scripture in Revelations about adding scripture. What you find is that the man who wrote this book added scripture himself John the
@Truthsleuth5 Revelator Revelations was his first writing not 1 John. You also read in Duet 4:2 it says the same thing also verious times in Deut 12. So it does not mean no scripture is supposed to be after this book. So what does it really mean? Deut 32 You read about a king that burned the scriptures the Lord came to the prophet and commanded him to rewrite the scriptures. So who is authorized to add scripture under the direction of God? Prophets. You also have that scripture in John last
@Truthsleuth5 chapter last verse that if you were to write down all the thing Jesus did there is no library that could contain all the books. If people believe so much in the Bible how come they can not accept the idea that their other books other than the Bible? If so if Christ wants us to be close to him why are limited by what we find in the Bible. If God loves us so much why doesn't he share more knowledge of himself rather than just once book so we can become closer to him. Why is this so
@BOON70 You are clearly trying to sell the idea of The Book of Mormon and it being an additional book. Your point is well taken that God should be willing to provide more books and communication. Why the Hell would god limit himself to the Bible and the BOM? Why has he stopped there? Why is there so little continuing revelation as you call it? Why is it all so vague? The inconsistencies and powerlessness of god in pandering to political correctness are endless. It is all very silly.
@Truthsleuth5 If what this woman claims is true why does "DNA Evidence" say otherwise that the children these woman had were not his. Also alot of the claims she makes has no source or what source she is using isn't good also some of her other sources can go either way. From all the books I have read don't expect me to remember right off hand the name of every author and every book. Most of the time I don't spend much time answering the questions of Anti Mormons because most of the time its a
@BOON70 waste of time also reading their junk you always find out what they write in the end is half truths or not even true at all and what it is true is so distorted as to make it sound like something else. Like for example if Joseph had relations with these woman how could of with 2 of them that he was sealed to after he was dead a few years? All these woman wanted to be sealed to a good man. It wasn't till years later after the last sealings of Joseph that the doctrine that woman who tried
@Truthsleuth5 It says in the Bible itself it is life eternal to know God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. John 17:3. God does love us and he wants us to know him so we can return back to him. He wants to gives us more knowledge of him and his love for us. I know there are other books to the Bible that talk of Christ and they all support each other and stand in hand and hand as one testament of God and his Son Jesus Christ that they love us and they want us to know them not just merely in
@BOON70 Actually, the many books of the bible completely contradict each other and reveal a great deal of confusion and inconsistency. Most readers of the bible take it at face value how it came to be, without ever considering its origins and compilation history. Knowldege of such, kills its purported divine nature. It is all much adeiu about nothing. Instead of picking up the Bible, pick up a book about the bible written from an objective historian and learn of its' political motivations.
@troybank Jesus also taught about False prophets in the Bible and in Matthew 7 vs.15. Yes Joseph smith was a false prophet. You need to watch The BOMvs.The Bible and DNAvs.the BOM. It is not anti mormon as mormon archeologists and mormon DNA experts are in these documentaries. You are trying to use this Jesus would never approach because you don't like what you are hearing. Jesus HATES lies. You need to do some serious investigating of the mormon religion.
@ThePeaches01234 My belief and faith has been confirmed and sealed by a witness of the Holy Ghost. I do not need to mix the truth I now KNOW from God, with your suggested philosophies of men. But don't take my word for it or anyone elses. The LDS faith is THE ONLY FAITH on earth that encorages all to seek and ASK GOD for the truth. Jesus may dislike lies as you say, and that is why the only true way to find truth is by going directly to the author of all truth: our Heavenly Father.
@troybank That is a lie! Other christian religion also encourage and teach to ask and seek God for the truth. God also gives us physical evidence of what is true and what isn't. There is a ton of physical evidence supporting the Bible none supporting the BOM. Not one place, person, city,temple, battle is supported with any physical evidence. Which if you educated yourself is archaeologicaly impossible! DNA evidence shows that the American Indians are not from Israel but are from east ASIA.
@ThePeaches01234 I appologize if there truly is another church that instructs investigators to pray to ask God if its the true church. Can you tell me what church will instruct me to do this and where that instruction is written? I'd love to read it!
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the aChrist, the bSon of the cliving God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon aBar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not brevealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
@troybank You have misunderstood me. I am NOT talking about praying solely about a organization. I am talking about praying to God directly to get answers about anything you need direction on in life. You think it is just the idea of a man made organization like mormonism that will get you to heaven but it is not. It is based on faith,belief and following Christ alone. Jesus is my high Priest and Saviour. I am a Bible following Christian now and know and understand the lord much better.
had little or nothing do with their lives while in their mortal body these marriages were only binding till after death. DNA evidence has shown that the progenitors of these woman that many try and claim Joseph had children with are actually not related to him. In Mormon Doctrine we know that a man and woman must be married eternally to reach the highest degree of glory in the after life. These woman were only securing themselves that. Proof of that if you look it up you will find at least 3 of
@BOON70 The idea that you can secure your place in the top tier of heaven by marrying the prophet Joseph shows the absurdity of the doctrine. How should that marriage secure anything? If they are righteous, they should get in anyway, not because they married joseph. If they are wicked and corrupt, they should not be allowed in because they are married to joseph. Either way, the marriage should be irrelevant and shows the doctrine as an instrument of HYPE to sell the specialness of the faith
What I find odd is where people find there source of information for what video you post here. Ant Mormons usually claim the Mormon Church is hiding this. If this were true then why can you find this information on a website owned by Mormon Church? Go to familysearch org. The youngest being 23. We also find that all these woman agreed to this and so did their husbands this was no secret. What you will also find that according to Mormon Doctrine and other historical evidence. That these marriages
@BOON70 - your comment is reflective of the typical Mormon apoligetics that is so common. I used to use the same line when I was a devout Mormon defending my beliefs as a missionary, BYU grad and regular temple goer. There is much evidence to support JS married several young teens and had physical relations. About 35 more women were postumously sealed after the first 35. Fawn Brodie's JS Bio "No Man Knows my History" is a good source to learn of the list of all the wives and their bios.
@Truthsleuth5 To be honest I probably new about the Book No man knows my history before you did. From what I know the from reading the book he makes alot of claims that he can not back up or that are false. For all the claims that are false you will find the author has no source to back up his claim either. For what claims are true he always tends to twist the truth just as this video has. Yeah Joseph Smith had more than one wife but as it shows Anti-Mormons do not understand Mormon doctrine.
@BOON70 You clearly didn't read the book as it was written by a WOMAN by the name of Fawn Brodie. Furthermore, you say "it has no source to back up his claims" The book is quite thick and over 1/3 of the book is nothing but source documentation. It is one of the most well supported and documented books I have ever read, of many hundreds. It was written by the daughter of Mormon church president David O. McKay. There were about 34 marriages--and another 35 or so postumous sealings.
@Truthsleuth5 DNA Evidence shows that all the claims that Joseph Smith had children by these woman that it is a false claim. Record also goes to show on church record that Joseph was only sealed to these woman. Which means the "marriage your looking at" are only effective till after the death of both parties and not until then. It took me along time to respond because I had things come up I went to take care of them then forgot that I had only read your response I had never actually responded.
Why did you become Protestants?...was it because you did not like what was happening & written in the Bible?..or perhaps you were misled by other Protestants out of God's Truth?
If Polygamy a sin?...why didn't God stop Jacob from having more than one wife?...or perhaps God a racist & favors people of His liking? Go figure!..read & understand ISAIAH.55:8-9. Stop questioning God, but listen carefully & obey.
@leSavaii The :"Protestant" movement was just that, a Protest, a direct confrontation against Catholic excesses, faulty teachings and brutality. Please read "Papal Sin: Structures of Deceit" by Garry Wills for more info. The only person/religion who has exceeded the Catholics historically in making a hash of the Gospel is the LDS and it's founder J Smith. If Brigham Young had not dragged the whole thing to isolation in Utah and enforced brutal dicipline the LDS would only be a footnote.
@hammerogod...God does not want Robots but the LDS MUST have them to survive.
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***ROBOTS?...God did have robots during the OT days dude...The Lord said "Come & let us reason together" The Protestants ignored the Lord's call...broke off & started their own for money. I live in a place where almost every family hold their own Church services in their own homes & call themselves as true Christians. They are teaching for doctrines the commandments of men (MATT.15:9)
@leSavaii ALL of the early Christian churches met in the homes of believers .. That whole "Big Fancy Building" thing started with the Catholics (along with other perversions of the concept of Christianity). The Protestants went back to what God originally intended and what Christ taught.. Learn some church history (besides Mormon) before you try to school me. No mainline Christian/Protestant church that I know of is teaching anything that is not in line with basic New Testament concepts.
@hammerogod..."ALL of the early Christian churches met in the homes of believers .."
**LMAO....Early Christians? Dude even today your Protestant Ministers are fighting amongst themselves, pointing fingers & calling themselves names interpreting their Holy book which they stole from the Catholics.
WHAT IS THE "BASIC NEW TESTAMENT" CONCEPT THAT YOU"RE TALKING ABOUT?
Jesus was born, organized His Church, told His followers to learn of Him & His Father, died & resurrected & back to heaven.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men"
Jesus was talkiing to the Pharisees and teachers of the law.
He was warning against Legalism and Ritualistic worship.
Mormons often use this passage but it better describes Mormonism than it does any other Religion.
@hammerogod.."MATT.15:7-9...Mormons often use this passage but it better describes Mormonism than it does any other Religion"
Do these names ring the bell? Benny Hin, Jimmy Shwaggert, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Baker, Billy Graham, G Dollar & the list goes on...these are they Jesus was referring to & you're right in the middle of their lies.
@leSavaii "Benny Hin, Jimmy Shwaggert, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Baker, Billy Graham, G Dollar" (Joseph Smith). None of those men Pastor my church and I would never attend a church that they did Pastor ... Discernment is important. The Holy Spirit is fully capable of warning me about men who are Preaching for Bucks. I trust Him to keep my mind free from the "Philosophies of Men, and Crooks". I think of Oral Roberts, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn and Joseph Smith in the same terms. All Crooks and Con Men.
@hammerogod...None of those men Pastor my church and I would never attend a church that they did Pastor.
**That might be true except but, they are Protestants like you, aren't they?.. Jesus said that they "...teach for doctrines the commandments of men"(MATT.15:9)
**The Holy Spirit?.how did you get the Him? I believe all you have is not the Holy Spirit/Ghost but the "LIGHT OF CHRIST" that is promised to all mankind whether you're a Muslim, Hindu, Christian etc. (JOHN.1:9) Go figure!
@leSavaii You have done what all Mormons do. You have become completely rediculous. You can't defend either Mormonism or the LDS Church without attacking some Strawman called "Protestantism" which you know nothing about. You fall back on curcular arguments and thetoric and never answer a question with a straight answer. So, You take whatever you believe and live with it. I will do the same. We have covered the ground repeatedly and I don't think you are listening so I am gonna walk away.
@hammerogod..."attacking some Strawman called "Protestantism" which you know nothing about"
**As always, when a Protestant like you does not know how to response to what I've posted & listen to what Jesus said...you start to blame me for attacking..but listen & watch the above video..is that not an attack to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
**Protestantism..what is there to know? People in this video are not Christians but Protestants...So, how about the Holy Spirit question?
Right... ok. please carry on poking fun at mormons. Be busy as you can while the muslims are sneaking to your back garden and killing your familes and friends. You haters have no priorities. No wonder you didn't prevent 9/11 because you#re spending time attacking a wrong religion. Well done for allowing 9/11 to happen.
@blockedful1 You are at least partly right. Before the return of Christ Islam WILL be the central dominant world religion. No matter how you read the Prophecies regarding the "End Times" you have to conclude that Islam fits all of the criteria for being Satan's church on Earth. In the meantime the Mormons are still a stain on the Gospel and an affront to God. I don't poke fun at them because I don't find them the least bit funny. I do what I can to put the truth out where they can see it.
talk about deferring your thinking! the born again sheep line up to get fed this B.S. over and over again. You will never find original thinking in here. It is just the same old vomit that has been puked up by the born agains for nearly 200 years. And what has been the result? More than a million converts to the church just since 2005. Can you say pissin in the wind? 04petes.... is just another sheep in the hurd. Baaaaaaaad Mormons, Baaaaaaad Joseph Smith.
Before you get yourself all lathered up in a frenzy of "church growth" you need to realize a few things. 1. Only a third of mormon members are active. 2. The church skews its membership numbers by claiming members who haven't gone to church in years until they're 110 when the average life expectancy is around 75. 3. Other churches like Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovah's Witnesses are growing faster with a smaller missionary force too.
Church growth continues to decline courtesy of the net.
I understand that believing that the net has any real affect on church membership gives you a little chubby, and validates an otherwise meaningless life, but its all fantasy. What the actual numbers are is irrelevant. My point is what you do is old and worn out. It has had no meaningful affect on the church and never will. The crazy people will follow you, the sane ones will ask a church member for the answers. More people are baptized because of your efforts than you ever discourage. keepitup!
You just said a million people have joined then in the next breath say the numbers are irrelevant. You're trying to present the argument that its old and worn out. What's old and worn out is the church's long policy of obscuring, whitewashing, and sanitizing their past. You really think knowing JS had more than 30 wives 11 of whom were already married, that he used a stone and a hat to translate the BOM, the BOA actually being a funerary text would compel someone to join? You're delusional pal.
There's a simple reason people join, they don't know any better and are rused into the whole "milk before meat" mindset. Once they get a taste of that meat however that the church will never give them do they realize that its diseased and rotten. This is why the majority of people who join are out after less than a year and the retention rates are so low. As such, people like you can only parrot "It's all lies" when an objective search on the internet reveals otherwise.
@dfwsunking Mormons on bicycles catch some isolated teen at a Bus Stop and talk to him and call it a "Conversion" ... A few "Elders" may visit but in most cases the person never gets far enough into it to start the process of getting a Temple Recommend or Baptism. They are demographic Mormons but they are only numbers as far as the LDS is concerned. They are barely, at best, only nominal members by any real world definition.
@hammerogod Isn't it convenient for you that you can determine who are nominal members of The LDS church because there is an actual standard that they can be measured against? You and the fishy on the bumper brigade suffer no such scrutiny because there is no standard to measure the born again against. Just say the magic words, "I believe" and no matter how unChristlike you live your life, you can never be called a nominal Christian. "Real world definition" what a joke!
@mulletthater Nominal Christians are easy to recognize, they are the ones who are failing to follow the principles Christ outlined. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" That in and of itself labels all Christians as nominal since we all fail. God Himself said our best works were like filthy rags and that we all fall short. Just read Romans 10:9 again.
@mulletthater Total LDS membership is about 13 Million ... That number is so small compared to just the Catholics that it is rediculous to even mention LDS memberships numbers ... When it is compared to active Protestant church membership it becomes even more rediculously small ... Also, virtually all of the new LDS membership is 3rd world lapsed Catholics (particularly in the Phillipines). Overall LDS membership has dropped and is continuing to drop. You can't fight the demographics.
@hammerogod "Vitually all of the new LDS membership is...". The sad thing is, the born again sheep will take that statement as fact, although you have no statistical facts to substantiate your claim. Your speculations and opinion fall far short of anything that resembles fact or reality. But you're not interested in selling the sheep facts are you? And, you missed the point. Regardless of how LDS membership compares to world religions, you can't marginalize 13 million people.
@mulletthater Substantiation? Speculations and Opinions? It doesn't take much research to see 2 trends. #1 the growth rate is slowing from what was once exponential to something far less than exponential. It is linear but far from dramatic (from Mormon sources) #2- Long-term Mormons are leaving at a rate that is becoming exponential (from both Mormon and non-Mormon sources). This information is avaliable 2 ways: Look at the demographics of Utah first and then the "Church's: own publications.
I think most LDS are afraid to study the first doctrine because then they would realize they are living a lie. If they wanted to be true "Mormons" they would be living the FLDS faith, neither one of these faiths are true. Read the Bible and open your mind and you will see that the so called god and jesus LDS follow is not the GOD and JESUS Christians follow. Just remember if I'm right, then u will be in hell for following false profits, if I'm wrong i will end up at the "Telestial kingdom"
I am assuming you would prefer the telestial kingom over hell, no? Born agains profess there is no salvation after this life. Billions of wonderful children of God, born and died without the opportunity to even hear the name of Christ. All condemned to a fiery burning hell, because the born agains say so. You sure are the lucky one to have been born when and where you were. I guess God's plan for us is some kind of sick lottery. Just random luck huh?
@mulletthater Jesus promised that ALL would hear. How that will be accomplished is God's business. Nobody is going to suffer in Hell unless they make an active, consious, though-out decision to reject God's grace. 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance". Matthew 18:14 "In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost"
@hammerogod Careful hammer, that is blasphemy to even mention the biblical doctrine of repentance to the born agains. The only thing necessary for a born again is saying the magic words, "I believe" Repentance implies that you need to do something for your salvation. Now that's just crazy talk. Now, the fact that you believe something reasonable and Biblical, doesn't mean that you are aligned with the rest of the born agains that leave no such opportunity for those that don't say the magic words
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Romans 10:9
"Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God".
John 3:3
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord"
It's funny how the Mormons say they got out of polygamy, if they would do there own studying of the original doctrine they would find that they are living a new false doctrine that was re written in the 1930 so the LDS would be accepted in society. kind of a quincedence no? And how could they still be following the true word of Joseph Smith when he said himself that u must marry in plural marriage to be righteous. .
It's interesting that people still believe that we members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints are still poligamists, when we stopped before 1890! Another thing I truly love about my church is that we respect other peoples beliefs and do not go and protest at their church meetings etc.
Has the LDS requirement to have multiple wives to reach god status still in the LDS teachings? Has someone has a new revelation that says no more multiple marriages necessary to be a god? Are these now man-gods going to populate their new planets with one wive or will the marry more women later?
@trublufarmgirl It was central to all of Joseph Smith's teachings. If you reject Polygamy you reject the first principle of Mormonism. Mr. Smith spent most of his 'career' addressing the importance of Plural Marriage. If Mr. Smith was expressing the direct will of God how could it change? If the LDS altered thier slant on Plural Marriage then what will they alter next? Who can trust a Religion that changes the unpopular parts? Christians died for faith, Mormons just changed the wording.
Martin Luther: "I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
haha seriously.. i agree with ilovemormonboys5. and just because its before the pageant, doesn't make it any differnt. even before the pageant, everyone has this lively spirit inside. and once they see you guys.. its not there. oh and FYI, the church just bought that road, so protesters can't protest on it anymore.
your protestors are way scarier than anything going on in the pageant. You are so far off base about Mormons it's disgusting. BTW, no one denies we practiced polygamy in the beginning. The Prophet Joseph Smith was obeying Heavenly Father's commands.
totally misquoted dude. You are so far up your own backside with your self righteous attitude that it's pretty humorous. What about the prophets in the Bible that practiced polygamy. Are you gonna pack up and go the middle east with those girls dressed like Jacob's wives. lol you are so off base. God help you.
Totaly? hmmm ok well give me the names of these OT prophets that were polygamist. Solomon did practiced did it but it was not condoned by G-d. Packed up? well I hope to be moving to Tel Aviv soon,life long dream. Curious though, how is it that LDS prophets cannot prophesy,see or reveal? and is the LDS priesthood a continuation of the one after Aaron's Levitical as practiced in the OT?
Heres a interesting fact about polygamy when it was practiced by the church. Most marriages where never consummated. They where set up to make sure wifes without husbends and children without fathers had some one do to the fact that there where more women then men, for verious reasons, such as death by the father. A little thing they don't tell you, Or Joseph would have had a heck of a lot of children now wouldn't he.
11 of Smith's wives were already married to living men... Smith sent off many of their husbands on missions when he conveniently was forced by God to marry them. After Smith, polygamous marriages were consummated- look at Young, etc.
And why do teen girls who aren't of the normal age to marry need to marry a dude who is old enough to be their dad? A few of the teen girls he married weren't even old enough to menstruate- easy to cover up sex if she can't get pregnant. Not to mention abortions...
Way, way back in the day, abortion was considered moral and convenient. The Christian outlook on abortion was totally opposite to today's average belief on abortion (i.e., pro-life). People could not care less until the late 1800s when abortion suddenly became immoral.
nice rebuttal, or lack thereof. abortions weren't "OMGOD babykilling!" until the late 1800s, around the 1870s. see also: sarah pratt. you are welcome to google her name yourself. the wivesofjosephsmith*.*org website may also interest you. good luck on your research journey.
when I start my research journey for fabrications and lies, I will let you know so you can point me to all of the most popular websites. As though when you google someone's name you are going to find only factual sources. I guess you believe everything you read is accurate, and in Unicorns and that Big Foot is real too.
it is accepted by the LDS chruch that Smith has that many wives. People do not need to fabricate the number of wives Smtih had. It does not really even need to be addressed to show the extreme error within the LDS belief.
Holy shit! I mean really! How much drugs and alcohol does your pastor have to give you to buy into this silly crap! The irony is, Mormons are accused of being brainwashed. There is no other reasonable explanation for you buying into this silliness, other than the fact that someone has brainwashed you. I recommend you stay away from those late night Bible study, aka circle jerk sessions. They are apparently not helping your mental health at all.
intereseting but both your language and your personal attack demaeanor sound like many many mormons i have talked to. Do they teach you that in ;LDS missions school. Avoid the truth and attack them personally.
Raging Hypocrite! So Mormons are to take the personal attacks, but not give any! I subscribe to the Old Testament model of an Eye for an Eye. You born agains just hate it when someone doesn't roll over and take your B.S. How nice is it do a get a free pass, to do and act in any way you want with no accountability. You religion requires nothing of you except saying the magic words, "I believe", then you can fornicate, adulterate and still go to heaven. I curse once and you are on the soap box
I will tell you what didn't help my mental health was being around members 4 days a week. They are, on the whole, the most angry, ignorant group I've been a part of, and I mean that in the most definitive kinds of the words. They do not care to learn and are belligerent if you go against the groupthink. Glad I gave up the habit. I left the church and now I have time to do Habitat for Humanity. It's doing wonders for my blood pressure.
NITHB, making assumptions brother, i don't object to every opposing view, I've just been around this block several times already. I'm not the molly-mo that never left Utah, and I've been to the dark side and back. I get what happened dude, you tried your best for 20yrs, ya put the peep in some strange, and then you have three choices, live with the guilt, repent, or run away and spend the rest of your life pretending its all false. that way you have no accountability and no guilt.
Yikes, you've lived through hell... but don't discount my opinion. Just because you left the church because you felt guilty and then went back doesn't mean every story is like yours. I've seen stuff in the church that would make your skin crawl, which made it all easier to follow the path I need to, i.e., admitting that I am an atheist. No accountability and no guilt? And here I thought I was smart,, researching info since I was getting a BS in history and eventually a MS in Library Science.
didn't say I left the church, committing sin and leaving the church are not mutually exclusive. What I do with guilt is just take responsibility for mistakes and move on, rather than run away. What does guilt and accountability have to do with being smart and getting a degree?
Eh, sorry, I wasn't very clear in my post. Getting my degree was the catalyst to actually studying the church in more depth than the church prefers. I realized that I didn't need to belong to a church that tried to hide its past. And since I'm studying to be an archivist/librarian, I thrive on information and facts. The church tries to hide and obscure facts that don't fit with their image. And from there, I studied my way out of Christianity and then religion altogether.
LDS and today's religions have nothing to do with Biblical Christianity. The free gift of God is Jesus Christ by faith and is available to all without self-righteous works.
Don't you think it is a little silly to not call the garbage that gets posted on here about Mormons, personal attacks. Is all this really what you would call a "discussion in errors in theology"? Please. Salvation for every protestant is founded on the undeniable truth, that once saved, you can't be unsaved regardless of what you do. How do you reconcile the fact that you do not believe what your religion believes without compromise?
Semantics chords! What is the mechanism used to accept Christ in the born again world? You proclaim it with words. You can say it is accepted in your heart, it makes no difference. My point is the same. From that day forth, you claim the ability to butcher a hundred chickens, screw a beagle and still go to Heaven. "Sufficiency for payment of our sin debt" is just born again diatribe. the idea that you can't be unsaved is man's justification for living in sin, a convenient cop-out.
Accepting Christ is shown, to man, by our life.. by the works we do and the life we live. That shows our repentance. It is not the works that save you but the works are the fruit of your salvation. it is not simply the words. Words many times are meaningless.
The understanding you have of true Christian salvation is faulty. It is not a word proclaimation it is a life change, a repentance.
Dont know of any one who thinks being saved justifies that kind if sin,
chords, I have seen the born again shuffle a thousand times, and some might buy the incoherent babbling, but not me. "Christ is shown to man by our life"? What? that makes no sense. Nice tap dance around your statement about works. You had to back peddle fast from almost saying you needed to do works. Heresy! What if the fruits of your salvation is a sin filled life? are you still saved? If you say no, I am telling pastor robert tiltion, and he will take your prayer hankie away.
i4m*.*com. Babe, I'm an atheist now. None of that born-again stuff. I was LDS for 20 years and since I'm still on the books, I get to hang out with the missionaries a lot. They're tons of fun, but really stressed out kids. Instead of seeking to be vehemently against any other opinion, perhaps you should seek to find out both sides of the story? Forgive me if I don't tell you the other websites I read as a hundred other close-minded folk have gone over to them and berated us for trying to heal.
Cont.. This is called the road most traveled, and most ex-mo's go as far the other direction as they can, i.e. your an athiest now. You surely traveled some distance to run away from accountability. "I'm an athiest" is a clever little cop out though. lets see, if I can just get rid of God, and all accountability to a God, then I can "butcher a 100 chickens and screw a beagle" (movie, Black Sheep) and be guilt free all the days of my life. I get it man! You can live that life and not pick on Mo's
It's interesting- when I decided to go into history, I found out the churches' policies are incongruent with mine. I like searching out the truth; the truth is not important to leaders- getting followers ($) is. Things like the church would rather you watch a movie like Shrek rather the (R-rated) masterpiece The Painist. I do not like giving others control over my life, although I will admit that religion is nice for some, since it gives them meaning. Some need that controlling aspect. I do not.
I get it man, you're living your life on your terms, which is fine. With that approach to life, it seems really weird to me that you would waste 5 minutes bashing on the Mormons. It seems strange that you don't want to be dictated to on what you should believe, or how you should live, but you are fine telling Mormons what they should believe. Why do you get the privilege of choosing your own path and Mormons don't without your scrutiny. Not a criticism, just a question.
I remember when I was 10, I used to go and debate my religion with these crazies. When I was a teen I used to scare them by riding my horse close to them. When in college I laughed at them. When I finally matured, I ignored them.
well let me know when ya'll yokels can distort the bible to tellin me so!, it seems your pretty good at that. Oh, and I guess god will have to make some exceptions for those old testament prophets for their many wifes, or are you better than them to? p.s.
Jesus loves everybody, even those who fight him and his way! but if you want to show your love to him you can keep his commandments! I think we can all start with "loving thy nieghbor"! wouldn't you agree or have you changed that doct. too?
The reason you don't get direct responses to the questions is because the questions are based in lies. No sane person is going to chase you down that rabbit hole! You can claim that all the anti-Mormon crap on here is true til hell freezes over, it won't make it true. Listen, if you say the sky is purple, then, from your perspective I guess it is, but it doesn't make it true. You can't honestly expect anyone to respond to these nutty accusations.
Which nutty accusations? That smith had that many wives?
Do you can apply the same logic.. the sky purple logic... to the LDS claim that the everlasting God is actually an exalted man,, and it will just never be true. In the truth of scripture God being called a man ... us just about as nutty as it can get. So chase that rabbit hole maybe a serioous look at the questions will find truth not the LDS man god
Please make some sense for me then, since you brought it up of the God described in the Nicean creed. that is the standard for every Christian. The Nicean creed describes the worship a non-descript, incomprehensible glob of floating goo somewhere out in the universe. So make some sense of your own definition and really listen to yourself and tell me how it makes any sense at all. Especially in the context of the Bible.
I discuss the God described in the Bible, the Word of God. I can go through a life time never saying the Nicean creed and it not have any bearing on my beleifs. I described God as not a man, which is biblical and God as a spirit, which too is scriptural, Though both antithetical to LDS. The description of God is there, the LDS simply spin in to fit their doctrine instead of using it to build their doctrine.
God is not a man, perfected or otherwise, the LDS worships a man who sinned.
Do I believe Joseph Smith had 34 wives of which 11 were pre-teens? No, it's all more of the same B.S. I've heard a thousand times. The burden of proof is not on me. I don't give a frogs-fat-one what you believe. Screwing with you nut jobs is just entertainment for me. Your inability to believe in anything that you can't touch feel and see is akin to the worship of idols, or asking God for a sign. The burden is on you brother. You will find exactly what you are looking for. looking for lies?
The sad thing is that the only person who loses in this is you. After all you are paying 10% of your income into this religion. I'm afraid the burden of proof is on you too. You can't say we have discovered a lost civilization and all other churches have no authority without opening yourself up to investigation.
Distort? Read your own scripture Jacob 2:26-28 "Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old. Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife and concubines he shall have none For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts"
What doc have I changed? Again you are avoiding the truth and making false accusations.
It is your prophet that went against Gods word, your prophet that married wives of other men, took approx 10 underage wives and went against Jacob 2, 1 Tim 3, and Titus 1.
How many true prophets go against Gods Word?
Ref Jesus loving everyone and loving thy neighbor.
What did Christ have to say to the Pharisees? and who were the Pharisees?
you poor "Christians". Yeah, I'm sure that Jesus would have approved of tearing down other church's beliefs and disrupting innocent church pagaents. What's wrong with you people?
Nice to see yet another Mormon defending polygamy.
You go, girl!
By the way the Manti pageant is dripping with ANTI Christian mockery and lies. Self-righteous Mormons with superiority complexes feel justified in mocking our beliefs, yet are "offended" by the truth of their Profit's polygamy presented as a living testimony to the truth.
And you fail to mention what your scripture says about polygamy: it is an abomination and The Lord said "For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife"
what does 1 tim 3:2 and Titus 1:6 say about leaders in the church and wives? And why does that not apply to Smith?
Also see in the Book of Mormon Jacob 2:24-27 what is says about more than one wife.
And why would Smith need multiple wives already married to other women or girls as young as 14 years old?
Thank you so much for showing the truth behind the Mormon Church! This information can be easily found, I'm not sure why people are saying it's not true. God Bless you for posting this and being a witness to such a dark place. My heart just breaks for the LDS and it's not because we don't have lives, it's because they are taught something completely contradictory to the Bible. Look it up. What is presented in this video are not lies and the only deceit come from the LDS doctrine.
ok..you need help!!! seriously i would consider therapy! k why are YOU ruining OUR pageant that WE took hours to do, and YOU ruin the spirit for EVERYONE!!! i wouldnt be able to live with myself if i were you. and you guys have no idea how you look like you are desperate for a life!!!
those are not his wives u dont know anything! u assume and attack someone who cannot defend themselves! those woman are not speaking hatred is! i hope those people meet the woman one day and they can give them a piece of their mind, right after God does of course!
this is bananas unbelivable but happening, oh well :)
7wiiskate 1 month ago
The dude had a lot of wives...SO? Haha who cares.
iamthelazerviking 2 months ago
oh and thanks for this video. It is an excellent example of the crazy. LOL -Nothing like seeing how long a line his wives would make. Unbelievable. thanks again
Lefemenikita 3 months ago
If everyone would get their heads out of their you know what's, then you could see plainly . Mr. Smith was crazy and people FOLLOWED the crazy. Just another cult. Sorry but no one can debate me and win. I've seen what this kinda mental religion really is. The guy manipulated a lot of people and I personally didn't think brainwashing would work. But it did.
Lefemenikita 3 months ago
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Joseph Smith is a fraud and so are all religions. Who told Joseph Smith to use 34 sex slaves, a talking snake? wonder what language that snake spoke.
guayacan07 3 months ago
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guayacan07 3 months ago
I always thought wrong by Joseph Smith mostly polygamous marriages with underage girls. This was a huge mistake of the Mormon church, the Mormon sect. I did not know there was bitching in the Mormon church at this ratio, which even married men had their wives!
arabe45 7 months ago
Polygamy was not illegal in the UNITED STATES IN THE 1800'S.
scottwins2 7 months ago
I like the video and the idea of this historical reinactment. The participants were too benign if anything. History is important. Those who ignore it or distort it are committing mind crime. Most Mormons are oblivious to the real history of Mormonism's beginings. Religion, in general, sells belief in fairy tales and then improves on them to make them more comfortable to believe in, more plausible, etc. Religion is dangerous and your exposure of it in this way is important and appropriate.
Truthsleuth5 9 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 Would you also say that most Catholics and Protestants are also oblivious to the fact that many of the Biblical Prophets including Abraham, Issac, Jacob etc also lived the law of plural marriage? Biblical Prophets were asked of God to do the same as Joseph Smith. Polygamy although difficult to fully understand should not be confused with the sin of adultery. The Lord’s law of marriage is monogamy unless he commands otherwise to help establish the House of Israel.
troybank 9 months ago
@troybank Most definately they are oblivious to those statements in the Bible. That is one more example of how these writings of all religions are interpreted to fit their own desired doctrine. The Koran is the same way--also polygamist. The Bronze Age spawned many ignorant and bad ideas. I don't think ppl confuse polygamy with adultery. Both are justified in certain circumstances with "consenting adult parties;" but both are foolish, too. The institution of marriage is the problem.
Truthsleuth5 9 months ago
It's amazing how you just "happened" to be walking by filming at key moments in some of the conversations. AWESOME!!
That was such a great idea "Emma" had.
The girls/women did such an amazing job as well.
The Triune God of Scripture be Praised.
JohnO318 10 months ago
Even the Mormon church has had to admit that JS was married to all of these women while he was alive. Most were behind his wife, Emma's back & he was sealed to many of these women even before he was sealed to Emma because she would not accept polygamy. JS married young teenagers & other men's wives. This is all documented & much of it is in William Clayton's own hand writing and records (JS's secretary for many years). The truth is there for active Mormons to find, but they don't want to see it.
TruFreedm75 10 months ago 2
Lucinda Morgan Harris was wife 3. She married Joe after Hubby Morgan Harris was ritually murdered by Knights Templars Freemasons ("The Morgan Affair" Research it, also on my page) and then Lucinda married Joe after he was dead. For Eternity! and she married Hubby Harris for time, the same day, while he was alive.Mormonism is funny! But how did Lucinda feel loosing 2 hubby's to Freemason ritual Murders? Joe and everyone in Carthage jail was a Freemason and Everyone outside was a Freemason,yep.
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onstageagain 1 year ago
Disrupting the Mormon pageant was self serving, and isnt how Christ taught Christians to act. This stunt was more about SHOW and your personal gratification in bashing another religion than loving one another as Christ has taught. Go out in the world and show your faith by doing some good, serving your neighbor, and if you must preach, do so in a way that doesn't mock or with a desire to offend or stir up contention.
troybank 1 year ago 6
@troybank - How were they bashing the Mormons or being disruptive by being there? It seems to me they were simply honoring Joseph Smith and his divine revelation of plural marriage. Furthermore, they were illustrating true Mormon history that they try to sweep under the rug. It was after my learning that JS had so many wives, 35 years into my Mormon dedication, that I started to question why I never heard this. It was the begining of my life of questioning and my escape--now a happy atheist.
Truthsleuth5 9 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 If its not obvious to you that they are mocking mormon history/beliefs, then there is hardly anything I can say that can help you see past your resentment of the church. I'm sorry you knew so little about your beliefs and after 35 years questions about polygamy was all it took for you to change your mind.
troybank 9 months ago
These bashers forgot to condemn Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc for polygamy as well! I'm not a pro-polygamist, but I am pro-Christ. And if Christ himself referred to His Father as the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" - giving tribute to flagrant polygamists, that is enough for me to reserve judgment or the type of mob mentality that ended up murdering Joseph. All religious belief, when striped down to its core elements, boils down to faith.
troybank 9 months ago 3
@troybank: I was kidding; of course it was mocking, but it was polite mocking. I think it's OK when children at school tease other kids for still believing in Santa Claus at age 12--painful as it is for the one being teased. They will be damn glad it happenned when they realize they had beeen duped. It is time for people to come out of the ether. I also find it funny when people who ridicule Mormons are of some other silly religion. Learning of JS wives was merely my wakeup slap.
Truthsleuth5 9 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 From what I hear, Osama Bin Laden was quite soft spoken and polite as well. Oh, and thanks for ridiculing our ridiculers. :)
troybank 9 months ago
@troybank That is a silly metaphor about OBL. Hitler may have been sweet to his lovers, too. As with a child, when learning of the fraud of Santa Claus suffers embarrassment and humiliation, so to do adults when confronted with facts they are resistant to accept. But once they consider the new insights, and realize they are true (if they are) they are grateful to have the truth and to move forward from there. Truth is often hard to accept, but liberating when you learn it and know it.
Truthsleuth5 9 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 The greatest event that has ever occurred in the world, since the resurrection of the Son of God from the tomb and his ascension on high, was the coming of the Father and of the Son to that boy Joseph Smith, to prepare the way for the laying of the foundation of his kingdom to never be overturned.
Having accepted this truth, and a witness of God, I find it easy to accept every other truth that he enunciated and declared during his mission of fourteen years in the world. Miraculous.
troybank 9 months ago
@troybank That is a well stated position, and wholly consistent with the beliefs of most Mormons. I spoke very similarly a few years back. " Accepting every other truth" declared by JS is all well and good--he stated many truths. Many other religions take this same approach. The problem is that he, and other religious leaders also speak many untruths, create and spread myth and delusion (sometimes unwittingly). People become duped when they ignore that and don't question or verify origins.
Truthsleuth5 9 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 I have Gods spirit and love as my witness. The proof that God exists and that Joseph was his mouthpiece on earth can be found in the millions of lives that have changed for the better. Looking from your Atheist perspective, what does it matter if I believe in an afterlife? Everyday the Gospel of Jesus Christ lifts and inspires me to love and serve my fellow man. This church helps bad men to become good, and good men to become great. This is not make believe. I am living proof!
troybank 9 months ago
@troybank To say that there are many good and great Mormons is a true statement. But those people might be greater without religion. There were many good aspects to my Mormon upbringing. I think I turned out great. But all the morality I learned, can be learned with out the religious backdrop. I teach my kids all of that and more, and they are living proof. Religious practice wastes valuable time, wallowing in guilt, praying, worrying, obligatory callings, reading and discussing myth. cont
Truthsleuth5 9 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 The irony in believing you don't need God or "religion" to teach morals is that those morals and any "good" you are teaching your kids originated from God... they are eternal truths, not man made. So in a way, you are very much still practicing religion :D
troybank 9 months ago
@troybank Part 2: The reason many atheists have that "missionary zeal" to expose myth, is because the more vociferous of us, were duped by religion. We have experienced life both in and out, and we want to make sure believers don't stay duped forever and waste their life. It is an act of love and caring to try and show that "life is better out here." It is more full & rich. My soul is liberated and it feels great, the world of science is far more beautiful. Plus religions hurt society.
Truthsleuth5 9 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 Either that, or you were duped when you left your faith... only time will tell ;) Having felt an inkling of God's immense love for us all, I don't think Atheists are doomed to have a crummy life just because they haven't developed a strong faith muscle. But I do know that my prayers have been answered, and I know without any doubt God exists. He has visited me. And I found it interesting that you mentioned your "soul" is liberated, in recognition of a soul that exists within you.
troybank 9 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 Your comment talking about Santa Clause that is a invalid statement both sides can say this about each other. But I will say a lot of claims Anti Mormons make against us some of it can be answered just by simply looking it up in their own Bible. Such as there is supposed to be no additional scripture after the Bible. Anti Mormons always site the scripture in Revelations about adding scripture. What you find is that the man who wrote this book added scripture himself John the
BOON70 7 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 Revelator Revelations was his first writing not 1 John. You also read in Duet 4:2 it says the same thing also verious times in Deut 12. So it does not mean no scripture is supposed to be after this book. So what does it really mean? Deut 32 You read about a king that burned the scriptures the Lord came to the prophet and commanded him to rewrite the scriptures. So who is authorized to add scripture under the direction of God? Prophets. You also have that scripture in John last
BOON70 7 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 in books but personally.
BOON70 7 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 chapter last verse that if you were to write down all the thing Jesus did there is no library that could contain all the books. If people believe so much in the Bible how come they can not accept the idea that their other books other than the Bible? If so if Christ wants us to be close to him why are limited by what we find in the Bible. If God loves us so much why doesn't he share more knowledge of himself rather than just once book so we can become closer to him. Why is this so
BOON70 7 months ago
@BOON70 You are clearly trying to sell the idea of The Book of Mormon and it being an additional book. Your point is well taken that God should be willing to provide more books and communication. Why the Hell would god limit himself to the Bible and the BOM? Why has he stopped there? Why is there so little continuing revelation as you call it? Why is it all so vague? The inconsistencies and powerlessness of god in pandering to political correctness are endless. It is all very silly.
Truthsleuth5 7 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 If what this woman claims is true why does "DNA Evidence" say otherwise that the children these woman had were not his. Also alot of the claims she makes has no source or what source she is using isn't good also some of her other sources can go either way. From all the books I have read don't expect me to remember right off hand the name of every author and every book. Most of the time I don't spend much time answering the questions of Anti Mormons because most of the time its a
BOON70 6 months ago
@BOON70 waste of time also reading their junk you always find out what they write in the end is half truths or not even true at all and what it is true is so distorted as to make it sound like something else. Like for example if Joseph had relations with these woman how could of with 2 of them that he was sealed to after he was dead a few years? All these woman wanted to be sealed to a good man. It wasn't till years later after the last sealings of Joseph that the doctrine that woman who tried
BOON70 6 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 It says in the Bible itself it is life eternal to know God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. John 17:3. God does love us and he wants us to know him so we can return back to him. He wants to gives us more knowledge of him and his love for us. I know there are other books to the Bible that talk of Christ and they all support each other and stand in hand and hand as one testament of God and his Son Jesus Christ that they love us and they want us to know them not just merely in
BOON70 7 months ago
@BOON70 Actually, the many books of the bible completely contradict each other and reveal a great deal of confusion and inconsistency. Most readers of the bible take it at face value how it came to be, without ever considering its origins and compilation history. Knowldege of such, kills its purported divine nature. It is all much adeiu about nothing. Instead of picking up the Bible, pick up a book about the bible written from an objective historian and learn of its' political motivations.
Truthsleuth5 7 months ago
@troybank Jesus also taught about False prophets in the Bible and in Matthew 7 vs.15. Yes Joseph smith was a false prophet. You need to watch The BOMvs.The Bible and DNAvs.the BOM. It is not anti mormon as mormon archeologists and mormon DNA experts are in these documentaries. You are trying to use this Jesus would never approach because you don't like what you are hearing. Jesus HATES lies. You need to do some serious investigating of the mormon religion.
ThePeaches01234 5 months ago
@ThePeaches01234 My belief and faith has been confirmed and sealed by a witness of the Holy Ghost. I do not need to mix the truth I now KNOW from God, with your suggested philosophies of men. But don't take my word for it or anyone elses. The LDS faith is THE ONLY FAITH on earth that encorages all to seek and ASK GOD for the truth. Jesus may dislike lies as you say, and that is why the only true way to find truth is by going directly to the author of all truth: our Heavenly Father.
troybank 5 months ago
@troybank That is a lie! Other christian religion also encourage and teach to ask and seek God for the truth. God also gives us physical evidence of what is true and what isn't. There is a ton of physical evidence supporting the Bible none supporting the BOM. Not one place, person, city,temple, battle is supported with any physical evidence. Which if you educated yourself is archaeologicaly impossible! DNA evidence shows that the American Indians are not from Israel but are from east ASIA.
ThePeaches01234 5 months ago
@ThePeaches01234 I appologize if there truly is another church that instructs investigators to pray to ask God if its the true church. Can you tell me what church will instruct me to do this and where that instruction is written? I'd love to read it!
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the aChrist, the bSon of the cliving God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon aBar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not brevealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
troybank 5 months ago
@troybank You have misunderstood me. I am NOT talking about praying solely about a organization. I am talking about praying to God directly to get answers about anything you need direction on in life. You think it is just the idea of a man made organization like mormonism that will get you to heaven but it is not. It is based on faith,belief and following Christ alone. Jesus is my high Priest and Saviour. I am a Bible following Christian now and know and understand the lord much better.
ThePeaches01234 5 months ago
these woman were sealed (celestially married or eternally married) after Joseph was dead.
BOON70 1 year ago
had little or nothing do with their lives while in their mortal body these marriages were only binding till after death. DNA evidence has shown that the progenitors of these woman that many try and claim Joseph had children with are actually not related to him. In Mormon Doctrine we know that a man and woman must be married eternally to reach the highest degree of glory in the after life. These woman were only securing themselves that. Proof of that if you look it up you will find at least 3 of
BOON70 1 year ago
@BOON70 The idea that you can secure your place in the top tier of heaven by marrying the prophet Joseph shows the absurdity of the doctrine. How should that marriage secure anything? If they are righteous, they should get in anyway, not because they married joseph. If they are wicked and corrupt, they should not be allowed in because they are married to joseph. Either way, the marriage should be irrelevant and shows the doctrine as an instrument of HYPE to sell the specialness of the faith
Truthsleuth5 7 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 there best to be married to a good man in the life would be sealed to one in the next.
BOON70 6 months ago
What I find odd is where people find there source of information for what video you post here. Ant Mormons usually claim the Mormon Church is hiding this. If this were true then why can you find this information on a website owned by Mormon Church? Go to familysearch org. The youngest being 23. We also find that all these woman agreed to this and so did their husbands this was no secret. What you will also find that according to Mormon Doctrine and other historical evidence. That these marriages
BOON70 1 year ago
@BOON70 - your comment is reflective of the typical Mormon apoligetics that is so common. I used to use the same line when I was a devout Mormon defending my beliefs as a missionary, BYU grad and regular temple goer. There is much evidence to support JS married several young teens and had physical relations. About 35 more women were postumously sealed after the first 35. Fawn Brodie's JS Bio "No Man Knows my History" is a good source to learn of the list of all the wives and their bios.
Truthsleuth5 9 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 To be honest I probably new about the Book No man knows my history before you did. From what I know the from reading the book he makes alot of claims that he can not back up or that are false. For all the claims that are false you will find the author has no source to back up his claim either. For what claims are true he always tends to twist the truth just as this video has. Yeah Joseph Smith had more than one wife but as it shows Anti-Mormons do not understand Mormon doctrine.
BOON70 7 months ago
@BOON70 You clearly didn't read the book as it was written by a WOMAN by the name of Fawn Brodie. Furthermore, you say "it has no source to back up his claims" The book is quite thick and over 1/3 of the book is nothing but source documentation. It is one of the most well supported and documented books I have ever read, of many hundreds. It was written by the daughter of Mormon church president David O. McKay. There were about 34 marriages--and another 35 or so postumous sealings.
Truthsleuth5 7 months ago
@Truthsleuth5 DNA Evidence shows that all the claims that Joseph Smith had children by these woman that it is a false claim. Record also goes to show on church record that Joseph was only sealed to these woman. Which means the "marriage your looking at" are only effective till after the death of both parties and not until then. It took me along time to respond because I had things come up I went to take care of them then forgot that I had only read your response I had never actually responded.
BOON70 7 months ago
great video!! thanks
MALDITTOROKKERO 1 year ago
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Martalk 1 year ago
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Martalk 1 year ago
Why did you become Protestants?...was it because you did not like what was happening & written in the Bible?..or perhaps you were misled by other Protestants out of God's Truth?
If Polygamy a sin?...why didn't God stop Jacob from having more than one wife?...or perhaps God a racist & favors people of His liking? Go figure!..read & understand ISAIAH.55:8-9. Stop questioning God, but listen carefully & obey.
leSavaii 1 year ago
@leSavaii The :"Protestant" movement was just that, a Protest, a direct confrontation against Catholic excesses, faulty teachings and brutality. Please read "Papal Sin: Structures of Deceit" by Garry Wills for more info. The only person/religion who has exceeded the Catholics historically in making a hash of the Gospel is the LDS and it's founder J Smith. If Brigham Young had not dragged the whole thing to isolation in Utah and enforced brutal dicipline the LDS would only be a footnote.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@leSavaii
Mormon Slant = "Stop questioning God, but listen carefully & obey."
Actual Biblical Slant = Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord"
God does not want Robots but the LDS MUST have them to survive.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@hammerogod...God does not want Robots but the LDS MUST have them to survive.
hammerogod 1 day ago
***ROBOTS?...God did have robots during the OT days dude...The Lord said "Come & let us reason together" The Protestants ignored the Lord's call...broke off & started their own for money. I live in a place where almost every family hold their own Church services in their own homes & call themselves as true Christians. They are teaching for doctrines the commandments of men (MATT.15:9)
leSavaii 1 year ago
@leSavaii ALL of the early Christian churches met in the homes of believers .. That whole "Big Fancy Building" thing started with the Catholics (along with other perversions of the concept of Christianity). The Protestants went back to what God originally intended and what Christ taught.. Learn some church history (besides Mormon) before you try to school me. No mainline Christian/Protestant church that I know of is teaching anything that is not in line with basic New Testament concepts.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@hammerogod..."ALL of the early Christian churches met in the homes of believers .."
**LMAO....Early Christians? Dude even today your Protestant Ministers are fighting amongst themselves, pointing fingers & calling themselves names interpreting their Holy book which they stole from the Catholics.
WHAT IS THE "BASIC NEW TESTAMENT" CONCEPT THAT YOU"RE TALKING ABOUT?
Jesus was born, organized His Church, told His followers to learn of Him & His Father, died & resurrected & back to heaven.
leSavaii 1 year ago
@leSavaii Matt. 15: 7-9
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men"
Jesus was talkiing to the Pharisees and teachers of the law.
He was warning against Legalism and Ritualistic worship.
Mormons often use this passage but it better describes Mormonism than it does any other Religion.
Get it in context.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@hammerogod.."MATT.15:7-9...Mormons often use this passage but it better describes Mormonism than it does any other Religion"
Do these names ring the bell? Benny Hin, Jimmy Shwaggert, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Baker, Billy Graham, G Dollar & the list goes on...these are they Jesus was referring to & you're right in the middle of their lies.
leSavaii 1 year ago
@leSavaii "Benny Hin, Jimmy Shwaggert, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Baker, Billy Graham, G Dollar" (Joseph Smith). None of those men Pastor my church and I would never attend a church that they did Pastor ... Discernment is important. The Holy Spirit is fully capable of warning me about men who are Preaching for Bucks. I trust Him to keep my mind free from the "Philosophies of Men, and Crooks". I think of Oral Roberts, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn and Joseph Smith in the same terms. All Crooks and Con Men.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@hammerogod...None of those men Pastor my church and I would never attend a church that they did Pastor.
**That might be true except but, they are Protestants like you, aren't they?.. Jesus said that they "...teach for doctrines the commandments of men"(MATT.15:9)
**The Holy Spirit?.how did you get the Him? I believe all you have is not the Holy Spirit/Ghost but the "LIGHT OF CHRIST" that is promised to all mankind whether you're a Muslim, Hindu, Christian etc. (JOHN.1:9) Go figure!
leSavaii 1 year ago
@leSavaii You have done what all Mormons do. You have become completely rediculous. You can't defend either Mormonism or the LDS Church without attacking some Strawman called "Protestantism" which you know nothing about. You fall back on curcular arguments and thetoric and never answer a question with a straight answer. So, You take whatever you believe and live with it. I will do the same. We have covered the ground repeatedly and I don't think you are listening so I am gonna walk away.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@hammerogod..."attacking some Strawman called "Protestantism" which you know nothing about"
**As always, when a Protestant like you does not know how to response to what I've posted & listen to what Jesus said...you start to blame me for attacking..but listen & watch the above video..is that not an attack to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
**Protestantism..what is there to know? People in this video are not Christians but Protestants...So, how about the Holy Spirit question?
leSavaii 1 year ago
You guys honestly need to get a life.hahahahahahah
I'm a jew and this is FUCKING PATHETIC!!!
lmaozedong99 2 years ago
Right... ok. please carry on poking fun at mormons. Be busy as you can while the muslims are sneaking to your back garden and killing your familes and friends. You haters have no priorities. No wonder you didn't prevent 9/11 because you#re spending time attacking a wrong religion. Well done for allowing 9/11 to happen.
blockedful1 2 years ago
@blockedful1 You are at least partly right. Before the return of Christ Islam WILL be the central dominant world religion. No matter how you read the Prophecies regarding the "End Times" you have to conclude that Islam fits all of the criteria for being Satan's church on Earth. In the meantime the Mormons are still a stain on the Gospel and an affront to God. I don't poke fun at them because I don't find them the least bit funny. I do what I can to put the truth out where they can see it.
hammerogod 1 year ago
This is amazing. Im so glad you guys are doing this.
butterflie2484 2 years ago
I want 34 wives, Ruth is a hottee!
blugularis 2 years ago
talk about deferring your thinking! the born again sheep line up to get fed this B.S. over and over again. You will never find original thinking in here. It is just the same old vomit that has been puked up by the born agains for nearly 200 years. And what has been the result? More than a million converts to the church just since 2005. Can you say pissin in the wind? 04petes.... is just another sheep in the hurd. Baaaaaaaad Mormons, Baaaaaaad Joseph Smith.
mulletthater 2 years ago
Before you get yourself all lathered up in a frenzy of "church growth" you need to realize a few things. 1. Only a third of mormon members are active. 2. The church skews its membership numbers by claiming members who haven't gone to church in years until they're 110 when the average life expectancy is around 75. 3. Other churches like Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovah's Witnesses are growing faster with a smaller missionary force too.
Church growth continues to decline courtesy of the net.
dfwsunking 2 years ago
I understand that believing that the net has any real affect on church membership gives you a little chubby, and validates an otherwise meaningless life, but its all fantasy. What the actual numbers are is irrelevant. My point is what you do is old and worn out. It has had no meaningful affect on the church and never will. The crazy people will follow you, the sane ones will ask a church member for the answers. More people are baptized because of your efforts than you ever discourage. keepitup!
mulletthater 2 years ago
You just said a million people have joined then in the next breath say the numbers are irrelevant. You're trying to present the argument that its old and worn out. What's old and worn out is the church's long policy of obscuring, whitewashing, and sanitizing their past. You really think knowing JS had more than 30 wives 11 of whom were already married, that he used a stone and a hat to translate the BOM, the BOA actually being a funerary text would compel someone to join? You're delusional pal.
dfwsunking 2 years ago
There's a simple reason people join, they don't know any better and are rused into the whole "milk before meat" mindset. Once they get a taste of that meat however that the church will never give them do they realize that its diseased and rotten. This is why the majority of people who join are out after less than a year and the retention rates are so low. As such, people like you can only parrot "It's all lies" when an objective search on the internet reveals otherwise.
dfwsunking 2 years ago
@dfwsunking Mormons on bicycles catch some isolated teen at a Bus Stop and talk to him and call it a "Conversion" ... A few "Elders" may visit but in most cases the person never gets far enough into it to start the process of getting a Temple Recommend or Baptism. They are demographic Mormons but they are only numbers as far as the LDS is concerned. They are barely, at best, only nominal members by any real world definition.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@hammerogod Isn't it convenient for you that you can determine who are nominal members of The LDS church because there is an actual standard that they can be measured against? You and the fishy on the bumper brigade suffer no such scrutiny because there is no standard to measure the born again against. Just say the magic words, "I believe" and no matter how unChristlike you live your life, you can never be called a nominal Christian. "Real world definition" what a joke!
mulletthater 1 year ago
@mulletthater Nominal Christians are easy to recognize, they are the ones who are failing to follow the principles Christ outlined. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" That in and of itself labels all Christians as nominal since we all fail. God Himself said our best works were like filthy rags and that we all fall short. Just read Romans 10:9 again.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@mulletthater Total LDS membership is about 13 Million ... That number is so small compared to just the Catholics that it is rediculous to even mention LDS memberships numbers ... When it is compared to active Protestant church membership it becomes even more rediculously small ... Also, virtually all of the new LDS membership is 3rd world lapsed Catholics (particularly in the Phillipines). Overall LDS membership has dropped and is continuing to drop. You can't fight the demographics.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@hammerogod "Vitually all of the new LDS membership is...". The sad thing is, the born again sheep will take that statement as fact, although you have no statistical facts to substantiate your claim. Your speculations and opinion fall far short of anything that resembles fact or reality. But you're not interested in selling the sheep facts are you? And, you missed the point. Regardless of how LDS membership compares to world religions, you can't marginalize 13 million people.
mulletthater 1 year ago
@mulletthater Substantiation? Speculations and Opinions? It doesn't take much research to see 2 trends. #1 the growth rate is slowing from what was once exponential to something far less than exponential. It is linear but far from dramatic (from Mormon sources) #2- Long-term Mormons are leaving at a rate that is becoming exponential (from both Mormon and non-Mormon sources). This information is avaliable 2 ways: Look at the demographics of Utah first and then the "Church's: own publications.
hammerogod 1 year ago
I think most LDS are afraid to study the first doctrine because then they would realize they are living a lie. If they wanted to be true "Mormons" they would be living the FLDS faith, neither one of these faiths are true. Read the Bible and open your mind and you will see that the so called god and jesus LDS follow is not the GOD and JESUS Christians follow. Just remember if I'm right, then u will be in hell for following false profits, if I'm wrong i will end up at the "Telestial kingdom"
randyddj 2 years ago 8
I am assuming you would prefer the telestial kingom over hell, no? Born agains profess there is no salvation after this life. Billions of wonderful children of God, born and died without the opportunity to even hear the name of Christ. All condemned to a fiery burning hell, because the born agains say so. You sure are the lucky one to have been born when and where you were. I guess God's plan for us is some kind of sick lottery. Just random luck huh?
mulletthater 2 years ago
@mulletthater Jesus promised that ALL would hear. How that will be accomplished is God's business. Nobody is going to suffer in Hell unless they make an active, consious, though-out decision to reject God's grace. 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance". Matthew 18:14 "In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost"
hammerogod 1 year ago
@hammerogod Careful hammer, that is blasphemy to even mention the biblical doctrine of repentance to the born agains. The only thing necessary for a born again is saying the magic words, "I believe" Repentance implies that you need to do something for your salvation. Now that's just crazy talk. Now, the fact that you believe something reasonable and Biblical, doesn't mean that you are aligned with the rest of the born agains that leave no such opportunity for those that don't say the magic words
mulletthater 1 year ago
@mulletthater
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Romans 10:9
"Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God".
John 3:3
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord"
Acts 3:19
hammerogod 1 year ago
It's funny how the Mormons say they got out of polygamy, if they would do there own studying of the original doctrine they would find that they are living a new false doctrine that was re written in the 1930 so the LDS would be accepted in society. kind of a quincedence no? And how could they still be following the true word of Joseph Smith when he said himself that u must marry in plural marriage to be righteous. .
randyddj 2 years ago
oh that's great!!
sldeyo 2 years ago
It's interesting that people still believe that we members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints are still poligamists, when we stopped before 1890! Another thing I truly love about my church is that we respect other peoples beliefs and do not go and protest at their church meetings etc.
trublufarmgirl 2 years ago
thanks i have seen this in real life and i am Mormon, and we did stop
cbtoonfreak10 2 years ago
i was one of those girls and we respect ur temple and MORmONS come to our own HOMES!!! and yet u dont think that is disrespectful?????
renaet3lovesGod 2 years ago
trublu,
Has the LDS requirement to have multiple wives to reach god status still in the LDS teachings? Has someone has a new revelation that says no more multiple marriages necessary to be a god? Are these now man-gods going to populate their new planets with one wive or will the marry more women later?
chords7 2 years ago
@trublufarmgirl It was central to all of Joseph Smith's teachings. If you reject Polygamy you reject the first principle of Mormonism. Mr. Smith spent most of his 'career' addressing the importance of Plural Marriage. If Mr. Smith was expressing the direct will of God how could it change? If the LDS altered thier slant on Plural Marriage then what will they alter next? Who can trust a Religion that changes the unpopular parts? Christians died for faith, Mormons just changed the wording.
hammerogod 1 year ago
Martin Luther: "I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
Baptist887 2 years ago
Did I spot the wondefurl Doris Hanson at the very beginning?
She is such a treasure from heaven in the work that she does to help people escape polygamy.
ElderJoseph 2 years ago
That was Doris. She is a brilliant, brave and true servant.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
haha seriously.. i agree with ilovemormonboys5. and just because its before the pageant, doesn't make it any differnt. even before the pageant, everyone has this lively spirit inside. and once they see you guys.. its not there. oh and FYI, the church just bought that road, so protesters can't protest on it anymore.
BrittanLacey71 3 years ago
can i move to utah and have a coupe hottie wives HOLLLAAAAAAAA Post up in the crib at night with my 4 mommas NICEEE
Lifeisincredible911 3 years ago
your protestors are way scarier than anything going on in the pageant. You are so far off base about Mormons it's disgusting. BTW, no one denies we practiced polygamy in the beginning. The Prophet Joseph Smith was obeying Heavenly Father's commands.
JCrizzle76 3 years ago
lol Ironic that LDS folks get upset when they get quoted Mormon sources to them...and not misqouted btw.
Gideon6640 3 years ago
totally misquoted dude. You are so far up your own backside with your self righteous attitude that it's pretty humorous. What about the prophets in the Bible that practiced polygamy. Are you gonna pack up and go the middle east with those girls dressed like Jacob's wives. lol you are so off base. God help you.
JCrizzle76 3 years ago
Totaly? hmmm ok well give me the names of these OT prophets that were polygamist. Solomon did practiced did it but it was not condoned by G-d. Packed up? well I hope to be moving to Tel Aviv soon,life long dream. Curious though, how is it that LDS prophets cannot prophesy,see or reveal? and is the LDS priesthood a continuation of the one after Aaron's Levitical as practiced in the OT?
Gideon6640 3 years ago
lol....you are too funny and wrong all in one shot.
Gideon6640 3 years ago
how can peopel ignore this TRUTH?alll this is on public marriage records ..hellO?
DETHKLOK94110 3 years ago
I think Paul had 34 wives also. And so did Peter. Oh, wait, maybe not. That would be absurd. Think about it Mormons!
rockinthestandards 3 years ago
Heres a interesting fact about polygamy when it was practiced by the church. Most marriages where never consummated. They where set up to make sure wifes without husbends and children without fathers had some one do to the fact that there where more women then men, for verious reasons, such as death by the father. A little thing they don't tell you, Or Joseph would have had a heck of a lot of children now wouldn't he.
prisbrey63 3 years ago
11 of Smith's wives were already married to living men... Smith sent off many of their husbands on missions when he conveniently was forced by God to marry them. After Smith, polygamous marriages were consummated- look at Young, etc.
And why do teen girls who aren't of the normal age to marry need to marry a dude who is old enough to be their dad? A few of the teen girls he married weren't even old enough to menstruate- easy to cover up sex if she can't get pregnant. Not to mention abortions...
notintheband 3 years ago
..abortions...please
LDS209 3 years ago
Way, way back in the day, abortion was considered moral and convenient. The Christian outlook on abortion was totally opposite to today's average belief on abortion (i.e., pro-life). People could not care less until the late 1800s when abortion suddenly became immoral.
notintheband 3 years ago
lies
mulletthater 2 years ago
nice rebuttal, or lack thereof. abortions weren't "OMGOD babykilling!" until the late 1800s, around the 1870s. see also: sarah pratt. you are welcome to google her name yourself. the wivesofjosephsmith*.*org website may also interest you. good luck on your research journey.
notintheband 2 years ago
when I start my research journey for fabrications and lies, I will let you know so you can point me to all of the most popular websites. As though when you google someone's name you are going to find only factual sources. I guess you believe everything you read is accurate, and in Unicorns and that Big Foot is real too.
mulletthater 2 years ago
mullett,
it is accepted by the LDS chruch that Smith has that many wives. People do not need to fabricate the number of wives Smtih had. It does not really even need to be addressed to show the extreme error within the LDS belief.
chords7 2 years ago
wivesofjosephsmith*.*org
Beautiful website run by an LDS member. Research is not a bad thing! Shouldn't you want to learn more about the history of the church you belong to?
notintheband 2 years ago
Holy shit! I mean really! How much drugs and alcohol does your pastor have to give you to buy into this silly crap! The irony is, Mormons are accused of being brainwashed. There is no other reasonable explanation for you buying into this silliness, other than the fact that someone has brainwashed you. I recommend you stay away from those late night Bible study, aka circle jerk sessions. They are apparently not helping your mental health at all.
mulletthater 2 years ago
intereseting but both your language and your personal attack demaeanor sound like many many mormons i have talked to. Do they teach you that in ;LDS missions school. Avoid the truth and attack them personally.
chords7 2 years ago
Raging Hypocrite! So Mormons are to take the personal attacks, but not give any! I subscribe to the Old Testament model of an Eye for an Eye. You born agains just hate it when someone doesn't roll over and take your B.S. How nice is it do a get a free pass, to do and act in any way you want with no accountability. You religion requires nothing of you except saying the magic words, "I believe", then you can fornicate, adulterate and still go to heaven. I curse once and you are on the soap box
mulletthater 2 years ago
I will tell you what didn't help my mental health was being around members 4 days a week. They are, on the whole, the most angry, ignorant group I've been a part of, and I mean that in the most definitive kinds of the words. They do not care to learn and are belligerent if you go against the groupthink. Glad I gave up the habit. I left the church and now I have time to do Habitat for Humanity. It's doing wonders for my blood pressure.
notintheband 2 years ago
NITHB, making assumptions brother, i don't object to every opposing view, I've just been around this block several times already. I'm not the molly-mo that never left Utah, and I've been to the dark side and back. I get what happened dude, you tried your best for 20yrs, ya put the peep in some strange, and then you have three choices, live with the guilt, repent, or run away and spend the rest of your life pretending its all false. that way you have no accountability and no guilt.
mulletthater 2 years ago
Yikes, you've lived through hell... but don't discount my opinion. Just because you left the church because you felt guilty and then went back doesn't mean every story is like yours. I've seen stuff in the church that would make your skin crawl, which made it all easier to follow the path I need to, i.e., admitting that I am an atheist. No accountability and no guilt? And here I thought I was smart,, researching info since I was getting a BS in history and eventually a MS in Library Science.
notintheband 2 years ago
didn't say I left the church, committing sin and leaving the church are not mutually exclusive. What I do with guilt is just take responsibility for mistakes and move on, rather than run away. What does guilt and accountability have to do with being smart and getting a degree?
mulletthater 2 years ago
Eh, sorry, I wasn't very clear in my post. Getting my degree was the catalyst to actually studying the church in more depth than the church prefers. I realized that I didn't need to belong to a church that tried to hide its past. And since I'm studying to be an archivist/librarian, I thrive on information and facts. The church tries to hide and obscure facts that don't fit with their image. And from there, I studied my way out of Christianity and then religion altogether.
notintheband 2 years ago
LDS and today's religions have nothing to do with Biblical Christianity. The free gift of God is Jesus Christ by faith and is available to all without self-righteous works.
BereanBeacon 2 years ago 4
Absolutely not. Then again it should be a discussion in errrors in theology not personal attacks.
And No I do not beleive I can say a few magic words and that is it. Apparently someone besides "pastors" are feeding drugs and alcohol to people.
chords7 2 years ago
Don't you think it is a little silly to not call the garbage that gets posted on here about Mormons, personal attacks. Is all this really what you would call a "discussion in errors in theology"? Please. Salvation for every protestant is founded on the undeniable truth, that once saved, you can't be unsaved regardless of what you do. How do you reconcile the fact that you do not believe what your religion believes without compromise?
mulletthater 2 years ago
Sure some of it is personal attacks and it is wrong no matter the source. Just as your personal attacks are wrong.
Your statement is not an undeniable truth as it is built on a faulty premise.
Salvation is not in our words it is in our acceptance of Christ as God and His total sufficiency for payment of our sin debt.
chords7 2 years ago
Semantics chords! What is the mechanism used to accept Christ in the born again world? You proclaim it with words. You can say it is accepted in your heart, it makes no difference. My point is the same. From that day forth, you claim the ability to butcher a hundred chickens, screw a beagle and still go to Heaven. "Sufficiency for payment of our sin debt" is just born again diatribe. the idea that you can't be unsaved is man's justification for living in sin, a convenient cop-out.
mulletthater 2 years ago
Accepting Christ is shown, to man, by our life.. by the works we do and the life we live. That shows our repentance. It is not the works that save you but the works are the fruit of your salvation. it is not simply the words. Words many times are meaningless.
The understanding you have of true Christian salvation is faulty. It is not a word proclaimation it is a life change, a repentance.
Dont know of any one who thinks being saved justifies that kind if sin,
chords7 2 years ago
chords, I have seen the born again shuffle a thousand times, and some might buy the incoherent babbling, but not me. "Christ is shown to man by our life"? What? that makes no sense. Nice tap dance around your statement about works. You had to back peddle fast from almost saying you needed to do works. Heresy! What if the fruits of your salvation is a sin filled life? are you still saved? If you say no, I am telling pastor robert tiltion, and he will take your prayer hankie away.
mulletthater 2 years ago
Not sure what tilton has to do with me or with Christianity
What is incoherent about saying we show we have Christ in our lives by the way we live?
Works is not required to be saved by the grace of Christ, the work of salvation is from Christ, it is simply to show your faith.
Our works are not the reason for our salvation but the result of it
Still you misunderstand basic Christianity
Sin is not a fruit of salvation, so your comment is rather obtuse
Are you sinless?
chords7 2 years ago
i4m*.*com. Babe, I'm an atheist now. None of that born-again stuff. I was LDS for 20 years and since I'm still on the books, I get to hang out with the missionaries a lot. They're tons of fun, but really stressed out kids. Instead of seeking to be vehemently against any other opinion, perhaps you should seek to find out both sides of the story? Forgive me if I don't tell you the other websites I read as a hundred other close-minded folk have gone over to them and berated us for trying to heal.
notintheband 2 years ago
Cont.. This is called the road most traveled, and most ex-mo's go as far the other direction as they can, i.e. your an athiest now. You surely traveled some distance to run away from accountability. "I'm an athiest" is a clever little cop out though. lets see, if I can just get rid of God, and all accountability to a God, then I can "butcher a 100 chickens and screw a beagle" (movie, Black Sheep) and be guilt free all the days of my life. I get it man! You can live that life and not pick on Mo's
mulletthater 2 years ago
It's interesting- when I decided to go into history, I found out the churches' policies are incongruent with mine. I like searching out the truth; the truth is not important to leaders- getting followers ($) is. Things like the church would rather you watch a movie like Shrek rather the (R-rated) masterpiece The Painist. I do not like giving others control over my life, although I will admit that religion is nice for some, since it gives them meaning. Some need that controlling aspect. I do not.
notintheband 2 years ago
I get it man, you're living your life on your terms, which is fine. With that approach to life, it seems really weird to me that you would waste 5 minutes bashing on the Mormons. It seems strange that you don't want to be dictated to on what you should believe, or how you should live, but you are fine telling Mormons what they should believe. Why do you get the privilege of choosing your own path and Mormons don't without your scrutiny. Not a criticism, just a question.
mulletthater 2 years ago
One for each day of the month. (Interesting.)
nobssagittarius2 3 years ago
I remember when I was 10, I used to go and debate my religion with these crazies. When I was a teen I used to scare them by riding my horse close to them. When in college I laughed at them. When I finally matured, I ignored them.
ScottsdaleStylee 3 years ago
Wow! ya'll should join the circus your silly!
and Emma, Dang you hot! give you me dat numba! hahaha! To bad your not mormon or I'd take you as my fourty second wife!!
bighead3697 3 years ago
bighead
If you took an extra wife then you and smith could both go against Gods Word and commit adultery.
How many adulterers does the Bible say will be in the Kingdom of Heaven?
chords7 3 years ago
well let me know when ya'll yokels can distort the bible to tellin me so!, it seems your pretty good at that. Oh, and I guess god will have to make some exceptions for those old testament prophets for their many wifes, or are you better than them to? p.s.
Jesus loves everybody, even those who fight him and his way! but if you want to show your love to him you can keep his commandments! I think we can all start with "loving thy nieghbor"! wouldn't you agree or have you changed that doct. too?
bighead3697 3 years ago
Bighead
Why is it mormons always have to attack the presenter of the truth and cannot specifically respond to questions? What are you afraid of?
Before Smith said God told him to marry additional women God had already said NO man shall have more than one wife, in LDS and NT scripture.
This is well after the OT. Address the issue do not avoid it The New covenant of Christ says ONE wife, Smith had 34.
chords7 3 years ago
The reason you don't get direct responses to the questions is because the questions are based in lies. No sane person is going to chase you down that rabbit hole! You can claim that all the anti-Mormon crap on here is true til hell freezes over, it won't make it true. Listen, if you say the sky is purple, then, from your perspective I guess it is, but it doesn't make it true. You can't honestly expect anyone to respond to these nutty accusations.
mulletthater 2 years ago
Which nutty accusations? That smith had that many wives?
Do you can apply the same logic.. the sky purple logic... to the LDS claim that the everlasting God is actually an exalted man,, and it will just never be true. In the truth of scripture God being called a man ... us just about as nutty as it can get. So chase that rabbit hole maybe a serioous look at the questions will find truth not the LDS man god
chords7 2 years ago
Please make some sense for me then, since you brought it up of the God described in the Nicean creed. that is the standard for every Christian. The Nicean creed describes the worship a non-descript, incomprehensible glob of floating goo somewhere out in the universe. So make some sense of your own definition and really listen to yourself and tell me how it makes any sense at all. Especially in the context of the Bible.
mulletthater 2 years ago
I discuss the God described in the Bible, the Word of God. I can go through a life time never saying the Nicean creed and it not have any bearing on my beleifs. I described God as not a man, which is biblical and God as a spirit, which too is scriptural, Though both antithetical to LDS. The description of God is there, the LDS simply spin in to fit their doctrine instead of using it to build their doctrine.
God is not a man, perfected or otherwise, the LDS worships a man who sinned.
chords7 2 years ago
Can you prove then that Smith did not have 34 wives?
bossendenwoodconvict 2 years ago
Do I believe Joseph Smith had 34 wives of which 11 were pre-teens? No, it's all more of the same B.S. I've heard a thousand times. The burden of proof is not on me. I don't give a frogs-fat-one what you believe. Screwing with you nut jobs is just entertainment for me. Your inability to believe in anything that you can't touch feel and see is akin to the worship of idols, or asking God for a sign. The burden is on you brother. You will find exactly what you are looking for. looking for lies?
mulletthater 2 years ago
The sad thing is that the only person who loses in this is you. After all you are paying 10% of your income into this religion. I'm afraid the burden of proof is on you too. You can't say we have discovered a lost civilization and all other churches have no authority without opening yourself up to investigation.
bossendenwoodconvict 2 years ago
Bighead
Distort? Read your own scripture Jacob 2:26-28 "Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old. Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife and concubines he shall have none For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts"
chords7 3 years ago
Bighead
What doc have I changed? Again you are avoiding the truth and making false accusations.
It is your prophet that went against Gods word, your prophet that married wives of other men, took approx 10 underage wives and went against Jacob 2, 1 Tim 3, and Titus 1.
How many true prophets go against Gods Word?
Ref Jesus loving everyone and loving thy neighbor.
What did Christ have to say to the Pharisees? and who were the Pharisees?
chords7 3 years ago
Where's another flood to cleanse the earth when you need one?
ldsaint13 3 years ago
you poor "Christians". Yeah, I'm sure that Jesus would have approved of tearing down other church's beliefs and disrupting innocent church pagaents. What's wrong with you people?
ldsaint13 3 years ago 2
ldsaint
If you don't think Christ pointed out the tremendous error in the false religious systems of the day you should really read Matthew 23
Is it an innocent church pageant if it is not true?
chords7 3 years ago
yes exposing a con man and a false prophet CRIMINAL is tearing down someones beliefs..
DETHKLOK94110 3 years ago
Dude, deathlock is the most retarded superhero ever. A fraud, criminal. lol
JCrizzle76 3 years ago
Nice to see yet another Mormon defending polygamy.
You go, girl!
By the way the Manti pageant is dripping with ANTI Christian mockery and lies. Self-righteous Mormons with superiority complexes feel justified in mocking our beliefs, yet are "offended" by the truth of their Profit's polygamy presented as a living testimony to the truth.
Now that's nasty, but it's the mormon way.
imtheonlycathy 3 years ago
The 'Christians' fail to mention all the prophets and men in the BIBLE who had numerous wives. umm DOUBLE STANDARDS!!
Make sure that beam don't poke your eye out!
a2wildchick 3 years ago
awildchick
And you fail to mention what your scripture says about polygamy: it is an abomination and The Lord said "For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife"
what does 1 tim 3:2 and Titus 1:6 say about leaders in the church and wives? And why does that not apply to Smith?
Also see in the Book of Mormon Jacob 2:24-27 what is says about more than one wife.
And why would Smith need multiple wives already married to other women or girls as young as 14 years old?
chords7 3 years ago
What nasty people,wanting to ruin someone else's pageant.
That is NOT Christian behaviour, no matter, how they try and wrap it up and tie it with a bow.
a2wildchick 3 years ago
Thank you so much for showing the truth behind the Mormon Church! This information can be easily found, I'm not sure why people are saying it's not true. God Bless you for posting this and being a witness to such a dark place. My heart just breaks for the LDS and it's not because we don't have lives, it's because they are taught something completely contradictory to the Bible. Look it up. What is presented in this video are not lies and the only deceit come from the LDS doctrine.
spiriteddancer137 3 years ago
ok..you need help!!! seriously i would consider therapy! k why are YOU ruining OUR pageant that WE took hours to do, and YOU ruin the spirit for EVERYONE!!! i wouldnt be able to live with myself if i were you. and you guys have no idea how you look like you are desperate for a life!!!
ilovemormonboys5 3 years ago
You guys are hilarious. Why not try doing smething positive with all your creative energy?
jcape888 3 years ago
those are not his wives u dont know anything! u assume and attack someone who cannot defend themselves! those woman are not speaking hatred is! i hope those people meet the woman one day and they can give them a piece of their mind, right after God does of course!
ramonswife 3 years ago
ramonswife
How many wives did Joseph Smith Jr have?
Use just LDS sources and tell me how many wives Smith had.
chords7 3 years ago
how sad that u guys did this and wonder why u are not allowed on private property! what do u care? ur not a member so GET OVER IT
ramonswife 3 years ago
Wow, seeing 34 women lined up like that really puts it (Joseph's sexual appetite) into prospective.
What a perv.