I was born into the Mormon church as well, PIKAJES96....and half of my family are sadly still members. hopefully one day you will find the strength to do your own research on the truth about the Mormon church....joseph smith and bringham young were not holy men...the church is hiding the truth from you and fooling you into following false prophets....i hope you find your way...
I have been with the LDS church all 15 years of my life and will continue being a member forever. The book of Mormon and the holy bible are indeed words of god and this video is not what we believe, at the judgement seat you will be held accountable for spreading lies and mocking the true church of god so I suggest you repent.
Being a Mormon I know what I believe and that is in the savior Jesus Christ. Do not tell me what I believe or who I am, because you do not know me and you have not been to my church, or ever been a Mormon. And if you have please speak up, because maybe then we can actually have a discussion.
@44thatonekid A few simple questsions. Do you worship a God who was once a sinner or a God who was the always same from Eternity to Eternity? SAME?. Do you believe in the exsistence of only ONE GOD? Is Father God? is Jesus God? is Holy Spirit God? Three Gods? Who is this. "Hear O israel the lord our God the lord is One Lord"..The Truth is that the Father, Son and Spirit are the One God. "In the beginning GOD created", "let us make man in our image." These are very simple questions about God.
I still have no idea how this dude ties Freemasonry in with Satanism. Seeing as how Freemasons don't hold God and Jesus divine they aren't really leaning towards the Christian faith. Satan is a deity of the Christian faith. You can't believe in Satan unless you believe in God.
@aqouby Christians do not believe that Satan is a deity. That's merely a fact about Christian beliefs. The fact that you watched this video and read my comments is a great waste of time for someone like yourself and is obviously a waste of time. Am I going to change my beliefs because a total stranger tells me that I'm wrong. Errr.. No. Don't waste any more of my time.
@aqouby It's a fact that you don't believe - that is a FACT, right? Just as it is a fact that Christians don't believe that Satan is a deity. Clear enough for you?
I go through the temple ordinances almost every week. This video is so misleading, is all I will say. This is so sad to hear that people actually believe these things. All the best guys in your search for truth about religion and about deity.
@loptarotuma You must be a milk Mormon. These realities are well known and easy to research. There have been changes in the Endowment Ceremony in last 20 years but the oaths, ritual, etc were well established from c1840 onward. There are no real errors in this video.
@RazrsEdge427 Bible cannot be trusted? Yet we read it and study it. We hold both scriptures in the HIGHEST regards. We have never said it cannot be trusted because it was written by a man. If that was true then we wouldn't carry one around with us all the time, but guess what? We do.
@qwertyuiopasdfghj924 Have you ever read a Joseph Smith translated Bible? The things a farce and blasphemy. JS had no authority to alter/translate Bible text. But then he couldn't translate real Egyptian nor "Reformed Egyptian".
After the 40days in the desert, Jesus Christ went out of his way to find 12 that would be his Apostels! But, in the mormon church, it is alleged he settled for one dude. Jesus Christ promised the 12 that satan would not prevail against his Church which includes Heaven and Earth, so, apostacy never happened. If the Church was apostate when you say it was, then the Holy Bible is an apostacy and you must reject it because only bad fruit can come from a bad tree. The mormon church is suspect.
So is the book of mormon...and btw having your own "testimony" does not constitute something to be true...if you believe this fine by me...i have family in this church and it hurts me because they refuse to open thier minds. God doesnt need money but you continue to pay it...
@robox... look i'm not sticking up for anyone here...What i wrote could have been misinterpreted but I dont care.... in regards to the mormon church, how could anyone carry on believing what they do about the church when it is proven fact that the book of abraham translated by joseph smith was a farce...supposedly written in reformed egyptian like the book of mormon when it was proven to be ancient egyptuan burial rights and prayers associated with osiris. So if the book of abrahm is fabricated.
I happen to be a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and half of what you just said never really happened. And how the heck is it Satanism! I mean we actually have jesus's name in our church title! To be christian is to believe in Christ, and we certaintly do. So go learn your facts right then we'll talk
Lol cindybin you are brainwashed...30 years ago online you read about anti mormon stuff...unless you were ahead of everyone else in the world in tech...
@cindybin2001 It's OK, I'm indicting all humanity. Mormonism's falsehoods are so easy to repudiate it helps point out the sheeple in people. For instance, the Book of Abraham was not translated by JS. It's 100% error. It's not Abe's, not 1700BC, all the glyphs were misinterpreted. By extension the BofM, "translated from reformed Egyptian" is false. Zero evidence for it exists and 4000 redactions made w/o any reference being made to the original text. And Morgs criticize the Bible!
@IExposeMormonism As I've said a million times, I read all this anti-Mormon stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the Church! I took the time to learn the truth. I wish others would as well. The LDS church will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church.
@cindybin2001 Well, you didn't do your homework. Which helps make my point about how easy it is to be tricked. And Joseph Smith is one tricky guy. The Book of Abraham is a provable fraud. The BofM is thus implicated because JS said he could translate both Egyptian and "reformed" Egyptian. I assume you've seen the letters provided to Anthon of which JS himself says Anthon confirmed as "Syrriac, Chaldaic, Arabic & Egyptian" And English. JS said "Mor-Mon" was English and Egyptian.
@IExposeMormonism Yes I did do my homework. As I said, I read all about this anti-Mormon stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the church. People online think they're telling us Mormons all these new things we haven't ever heard before. Sheesh.
@cindybin2001 Well, maybe you can help me. What's the most convincing evidence you have FOR the book of Abraham. I don't mean "Don't have for" as in " I have no evidence For the BofM", I mean what evidence, solid, 3D, palpable, visible tangible evidence do you know of that I could examine? Champollion was a poor country boy like JS> He translated real Egyptian. Why do experts agree with Champollion and not JS? Anything you could show as Real evidence would be appreciated.
@IExposeMormonism And no one in the world has ever and will ever confirm any species of Egyptian consisting of "Arabic, Syrriac, Chaldaic, Egyptian". Reformed or not. Much less English:: Which linguistics and history show existing in c325AD. Further, there was no cultural contact between 325AD England and Egypt of 1700 or 400BC. Nor between 325AD England and 325ADEgypt. JS=Zero with calender, linguistics, history, archeology, and truth.
@IExposeMormonism If you had a testimony that the Mormon church is true, you wouldn't need to ask me these questions. It's up to you to develop that testimony. But you have to want to know.
@cindybin2001 watch?v=7FtSUPAM-uA here is a true story on the history of English. according to Joseph Smith English is part of reformed Egyptian. This documentary disagrees. And so does reality.
@cindybin2001 watch?v=9YkhqPJT24A&feature=related shows the history of Champollion and hieroglyphs. Champollion was a poor country boy who learned many languages and was assisted by some wealthy people and translated hieroglyphs. It's an excellent documentary with documentaries links in side bar. The history of English doc' should be watched in sequence, it gives the origins of English, how it changed over time
@IExposeMormonism What makes you think I haven't seen these documentaries? And as I said, I read all kinds of anti-Mormon stuff over 30 years ago when I was investigating the church. People always think that Mormons are clueless and that we need to be enlightened, etc.
@cindybin2001 They're aren't anti Mormon they're documentaries on Egypt and hieroglyphs. They have nothing to do with Mormonism. And I doubt if you have seen any of the documentaries. there are many hours of them. They might raise some questions in your mind and they should.
@IExposeMormonism Okay, but why do you want to raise questions in my mind? Why do you want me to drop out of the Mormon church, after all I did to gain a testimony? There is no church I could ever be a member of, knowing what I know.
@AbandonedPanda Yes, and it doesn't mean the church isn't true. I've read all this "freemason stuff" before, you really don't need to bother bringing it up.
@cindybin2001 That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him Yes, Lucifer is God.."
@cindybin2001 If that is true then why do Mormons hold the BOM in higher regard than the Bible going so far as to say the Bible cannot be trusted because it was written by man? Who wrote the BOM?? An alien? No..A man that has been proven a million times over to be a fake and a charlatan and I sincerely pray that you will one day see that Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven. Through Him all things are possible. Through Joseph Smith...I hear it's hot where he is.
@RazrsEdge427 There are things in the Bible that are hard to understand and overlooked by mainstream Christian churches. We are lucky to have the Book of Mormon and other latter-day revelation that helps shed light on the Bible, and helps make sense of it all. I've been LDS for 30 years and we really do use the Bible as much as we do the Book of Mormon. And yes, Jesus Christ IS the only way to Heaven--that's what the church teaches. We don't worship Joseph Smith.
Dear Simpletons....Mormonism is NOT "satanic". The symbols are from Freemasonry. Much more "satanic" was the Catholic church who murdered tens of thousands as "heretics". Satanists did not use the 5-pointed star until Anton LeVey used it thinking it was cool in 1965. The star was used to ward away evil spirits in the Middle-Ages.
@ZelphKinderhook How can you say the Mormons are even false when you're an athiest? Atheism is by far the most creditless ideal there is out there!. At least the Mormons have based their belief system on someone who did actually exist, and is proven to have existed, it is not based on nothing!!
Mormonism is 100% satanic, the core of this cult teaches people that they can become gods in the afterlife...the same lie satan deceived the world with in the begining of this world. The unworthy and those who dont care about GOD follow this cult, you can not become GOD,...you humans are sinners and have demons working in your due to your sins and the sins of your parents.Many mormoms cant see the truth and wont se the truth as only Christians have access to GODs truth.
If Joseph Smith had really had a vision, why would he have become Mayor, and wanting to run for President?. Why did he retaliate towards the Nauvoo Expositor for them exposing his belief in Polygamy? I mean seriously, how can you guys believe in the BOM when it is from someone like this?. They even killed their own! Would Jesus really be a head of this kind of 'church'! Get out of it, before the end of the system, else you'll be sorry you ever heard Smith's name or 'story'.
2 PETER 1:20 "No prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation." one of the reasons people apostatize from this Church is that they have failed to heed the warning of the scriptures against listening to false teachers who raise their voices in our midst. People place a meaning upon the words that was not intended by the Lord who gave the scriptures.
We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God
We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory
We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
@akafreightking got evidence to back that conclusion up? because there is a load of historical and documented evidence for the facts presented in the video.
@akafreightking thats nice, but the history of joseph smith, his occultic dabblings and masonic membership are historical fact. and you say your church isnt satanic, but the doctrines preached by your scriptures and church leaders past preaches disgustic heretic lies about the Christian God and his only Son Jesus, and any system that preaches lies about our God is working for satan, its the logical truth
@akafreightking wanna reply to the birgham young quote? the lies are many, some include: there are many Gods (the bible teaches clearly theres one and only); satan and jesus are brothers (the bible teaches satan is a fallen angel, and Jesus is the only begotten son of God); we become Gods one day (the bible teaches we are Gods adopted children only); that God the father had sexual intercourse with Mary (really? how disgusting , heretic and satanic) ...many more
@alfiejames8 i am a mormon and there is nothing in our gospel that says there are many Gods, where do you get this information. there is only God our Heavenly Father his son Jesus Christ our saviour and the Holy Ghost. there is no more than that.... we also teach that satan was a fallen angel who rebelled against god. we do not become Gods one day we can become like God by being all righteous and worthy enough to walk with him one day. God did not have intercourse with mary..
@alfiejames8 "to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves" that is taken right out out of Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p.346 that does no way say that we have potential to become a God
@akafreightking Doctrine and Covenants 132: 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
@alfiejames8 well my conclusion is that we can be Gods but there still is only one God above us and he can permit us to be a God but no powerfull than he is. But honestly i dont know, im still learning
@akafreightking " because all things are subject unto them. " if all things are subject unto them, how can one God be above them? but your honesty is appreciated :)
@akafreightking The truth of it all is its all about Jesus : Revelation 22:12 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." My Jesus is alive, I know Him, and you can too. you can ask Him to come to you, reveal Himself to you, and ask Him into your life, He'll show you the truth and change your life forever. Its the best decision anyone can ever make. :)
@alfiejames8 this makes some sense "I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and THREE GODS. If this is in accordance with the New Testament, lo and behold! we have THREE GODS anyhow, and they are plural; and who can contradict it?"
@alfiejames8 what do you make of this 1 Corinthians 8:5 "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)"
@akafreightking the whole passage is: 1 Corinthians 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. " the world has many religions and gods, but there is only one true God. :)
@akafreightking the God. i believe the trinity of the bible, the concept of 3 being as 1 is not something our mind can easily grasp, but this is no different to the countless factors of our God we have no hope to fathom, we trust Him
@alfiejames8 LUKE 20:35-36 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
@akafreightking Abraham and the Pearl of Great Price 4:1 And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.
one of many sources for the multiple gods of mormonism
@alfiejames8 Moses 2: 1. 1 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I reveal unto you concerning this heaven, and this earth; write the words which I speak. I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things; yea, in the beginning I created the heaven, and the earth upon which thou standest.
@akafreightking heres where the problem for you is, the sacrifice of the mormon Jesus isn't sufficient for the forgiveness of all sins, ref: D & C 42:18;The Journal of Discourses 3:247; 4:53-4; 4:219-220; My Jesus, the Christian Jesus did it all, paid the full price, its the only way, no work of ours can do it (ref: Eph 1:8 ,Rom. 3:24; 4:5; 5:1-2; 1 Cor. 6:9-11; 15:3; 2 Cor. 5:14-21)
@akafreightking indeed there is, but we cant both be right now can we. your Jesus is the spirit brother of satan and isnt sufficient for the forgiveness of all sin. Mine has no spirit brothers and paid the ultimate price for all sin, praise God. We cant both be right. so who is? I know my Jesus personally, He's alive. Do you know yours?
@alfiejames8 aren't we all brothers and sisters from God. Satan was one of us but he chose not to follow Gods plan and so he was kicked out of heaven and was never able to come to earth like we have been able to and have mortal bodies like our God. I know our Jesus as well and i am always grateful that our savior sacrificed himself for us
@akafreightking "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the Children of men, that they may not call scripture!" Bringham Young, Journal of Discourses, Volume 13, page 95. "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." Journal of Discourses, Volume 10, page 110.
@akafreightking so its alright then? the point is the Christian doctrines and writings told us to love our neighbour, regardless of any difference. meanwhile the mormon doctinres labelled them cursed and lesser, racism is never of God but satan.
@alfiejames8 you dont understand why they are black in the first place do you. do you ever wonder why some people are white and some are black? There was a curse placed upon them because of their iniquities and their skin darkened (this was before Christs' birth) some were later absolved of the curse and were turned white and others were not. All generations of them have the curse of their ancestors. that is why they were denied the priesthood. but there was revelation given and now they can
@akafreightking So you are agreeing with Brigham Young and saying they are cursed? I say once more, racism is never ever of God but of Satan. There are people of all different colours of skin, just like hair and eyes. It is usually due to the climate of where they live, skin cancer and sun damage is far less common in the darker skinned people. they are equally Gods children
@alfiejames8 no they have a curse that they have inherited from their ancestors because of their iniquities, they might be good people now but they live with the curse of their ancestors, God takes no mercy to those who sin unless they repent. i agree we are ALL Gods children but that does not mean we are all free of sin.
@akafreightking Im wasting my time debating the skin colour issue with you, as the living Jesus doesnt have your heart I can't expect you to understand the disgust I feel for people claiming such racist disgusting doctrines are of God.
@akafreightking "turned white"? so you are stating that those of white skin are of higher vitrue and worth than those of black then. Does this kind of doctrine sound like something Jesus would have said? If you think so, please read your bible again
@alfiejames8 cont. there was revelation given in these latter days and now they can hold the priesthood. This Church is the Truth you can accept it or not.
@akafreightking again, many ways mormon doctrine differs from the Bible. Satan was never one of us, he was around before, an angel. we were made at genesis. And Satan is on earth right now, and has been since he rebelled. And for knowning Jesus, I dont mean knowing who He is, but knowing Him personally, as well and real as any friend or person I know, and as He promised the Holy Spirit lives in me, I feeel his fire all the time,and the gifts He grants, prophecy tongues healing
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Its easy to say there is no God because no one can give you tangible proof, but everyone that has a relationship with Jesus know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he lives. People that dont believe, just choose not to. On the basis of what athiests believe, i turn it around to you to PROVE that there is no God.
Mormons are taught to give their TESTIMONY it goes something like this: I HAVE A BURNING IN MY BOSSOM. This is a PAT ANSWER something they are taught to say in a response that is a way they can defend their beliefs and is suspose to make everything valid no matter what. When I have a Burning in my Bossom I take ROLAIDS and it GOES AWAY! THE BIBLE is the answer; the Book of Mormon is FALSE. When you modify/change the Word of God to suit YOUR BELIEF STRUCTURE YOU ARE A CULT! There not Christians
@ZelphKinderhook You can spend a lifetime thinkin you understand the Bible like you've read it cover to cover. But with a traditionalized understanding of it, which christendom gives, you won't get the overall picture, and it's clear you don't. you probably taught these kid's that you go heaven, or hell didn't you?. and where does that come from?. The RCC, Constantine, the emperor or Rome. Did you know this stuff/ have you really examined the origins of these things?. i doubt it.
@ZelphKinderhook So i've seen enough of your EvilBible. It is the Evil biblicly ignorant webpage constructor who doesn't understand it, and this to me shows your level of understanding also. i'd hate to have been in a class with you teaching me. I'm not jumping on ya, but jeez, get a proper study! then you'll get the bigger picture!. we do not live like they did, but do far worse in today's world because 'we know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in power of the wicked one'.
@ZelphKinderhook Do you not see the Abraham story? God blessed Abraham well, he was the forefather of the Jews. He knew what he was doing. It is not for you to decide what Gods standards are, or me, here is an example from Deut 32 4. The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness with whom there is no injustice'.'For my thoughts of you people are not my thoughts, nor are my ways your ways'. 1st John 4.8 'God is love'.
Again, these are all stories that have no evidence to back them up. While the bible does have some historical correlations, there's no proof that any of the supernatural or god-related things ever happened. ALL religions of the earth are man-made.
@ZelphKinderhook Take a look at the Dead Sea Scrolls. These back up alot of things from the Hebrew Bible. Take a look at the banned books, take a look at the ancient cultures stone depictions of things that went on, that coinside with biblical events. you have missed the overall picture, you're taking a shallow, simplictic view of it, probably cos you don't wanna change yourself. ;you want to do what you want. yes? even right a little bit? be honest!
What a silly response. Didn't you pay attention? In my last comment, I said the bible has historical correlations. No intellient person would dispute that. But there's NO evidence of the supernatural. You're the one with the shallow, simplistic view if you don't understand the difference
Don't want to change myself? Huh? There's nothing that needs changing. What a non-sequitor!
@ZelphKinderhook Oh egotistical too huh? Historical correlations to what?. Dont' try to act like i'm thick neither madam, you're the one who's missing out not me. i'm learning, i'm bothering you are just nit picking. You don't need evidence for everything you can't see, that's a fact. That is shallow thinking. I don't have a shallow view, i'm not going to stupid sites like evil bible and believing everything some webpage person's "opinion only' and misinterpretation. i debunked a few all ready
@ZelphKinderhook And you are so wrong about evidence. they know the flood happened old news! get with the programme!!. they have found the fourth river to Eden, old news!! they have found the city of David, they have found pottery chards with Goliath's name on it, (yes a giant), i can go on and on. Find 'The Exodus Decoded' from the history channel, that might help you understand proof. serious. And DNA is way too complex to be an accident, they know that too! Stop bucking God!
Actually, I'm not wrong, you fool. There's no evidence of a global flood. You're wrong.
Finding the city of David is a historical correlation, not a spiritual one. Pottery chards that refer to a fable? Not evidence. Obviously, you don't know the difference between speculation and cold hard proof. You're damn thick if you think that's evidence!
I'm not about to be fooled by mythology, as you are. Poor thing.
@ZelphKinderhook Ha Ha, i heard that NZ is behind the rest of the english speakin world, so i guess that's why you havn't heard of the latest news of the deluge. sorry hon, what youre left with is this, you can decide whether you want to believe it was 'divine manipulation of the elements', or just a natural occurance, no there is no proof, but they do know now, that it did take place. There is evidence of it and even a time frame, but older than we date the time of Genesis. OK
@ZelphKinderhook I challenge you to watch 'The Exodus Decoded' for starters. you don't understand the bible that is clear, you want to judge it on your own understanding, which is always gonna be wrong, & you're telling me you taught sunday school? for how many, 4 kids in some tiny village somewhere! You have shown the typical atheistic view of the Bible by jumpin on the OT, and taken an opinion on that! Please, get a proper study!! then come back to me as an atheist!. & read whats out there!
Sorry hon, but you're absolutely wrong about a world flood. I guess you don't read much, right? Apparently.
Yes, i taught sunday school. You obviously don't understand the bible... if you did, you would no longer believe. You're a typical myopic theist... The problem with you theists is that you never read anything that challenges your beliefs. You like to remain safe within your system. And that's just pathetic.
@ZelphKinderhook are you for real!. i told you you have based your statements on 'no flood' with nothing. i have given you something to look at, and there is a new theory on it i watched the other day, science has now understood 'set down' wind. they didn't before, but had a hole bunch of EXPERTS in the field explaining about it. i told you, it's up to you how you wanna take it, but get real, SCIENCE CAN'T DEBUNK THE DELUGE. been going on for years. NZ must be really behind
@ZelphKinderhook Maybe you'd like to try strengthening your case with some evidence that YOU HAVE READ!. NEW STUFF, not old. like i have. at least as a believer i do the 'typical' backing up of why i believe something, whether it be biblically or scientifically!! I understand that bible a whole lot better than you, i debunked you're stupid evil bible crap. i notice you didn't argue scripturally with me, hmm, why? cos you don't get the whole picture. get a study one day, open your eyes.
I happen to be an American living in New Zealand. See what happens when you ASSume? You fool.
You're the one claiming there's a god, so the burden of proof is on you. So far, you haven't provided any verifiable evidence. You haven't debunked anything. You haven't given any cites. You lose.
@ZelphKinderhook UH excuse me! But are you not convinced there is NO GOD?. why does the burden fall on to me?. Because i can come up with stuff to prove it and you can't!. What kind of evidence is it that you want oh poor lost soul?. God is a spirit, he cannot manifest himself to shake your hand, it's impossible. i gave you locations. the river to eden, david's city found, i'm not in a competition with you. you just havn't gotten many up to date facts on this subject. EXODUS DECODED.
The reason why the burden falls on you is that you are the one making the extraordinary claim. When you make a claim that's unbelievable, then you better have good evidence to back it up. And you don't... all you have is speculation. Don't you know the difference between evidence and speculation? Apparently, you don't.
@ZelphKinderhook you cop out!! you have nothing to back up your claims for no God. how stupid, like all atheists. How could you go from allegedly teaching sunday school (what a jokethat must've been), to being as empty headed as you are now!. There is life on other planets, they had to have been created too! Get your ass up to speed, and shutup tryin to debate something you know little of! You base it on nothing, you havn't brought anything to the table. Great presentation of atheism.
It's no cop out, because I'm not the one making the unbelievable claim.... YOU are.
Get your ass up to speed, kid... you have no evidence of a god. I never promised you a presentation... if you want one, go get "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. I don't have time to help an obnoxious fool like you.
@ZelphKinderhook See. you just reinforced everything i said earlier about your huge lack of knowledge. if you did have any, you'd say it but you havn't once, except to make a statement that you don't believe in God. Not why, or what you do believe, if anything, or any knowledge of biblical texts to debate. you're a loser. go to the losers page with the atheists, you'll be welcomed there. duh.
@ZelphKinderhook you're the pathetic one, i'm not in any competition with a divvy like yourself. i know the truth. you don't. what i wrote before was the truth, you havn't brought any evidence of athiesm to the table. so get lost.
Truth? You wouldn't know truth if it smacked you in the head with a baseball bat! You're the one who believes in unproven fairy tales. I only believe that which I can see with my own eyes. Since you're the one who's claiming to have truth, the burden of proof falls on you. And you fail at that.
Well, there is room for faith, belief and hope... but it should NOT be more important than cold hard facts. So, if you look at the evidence, not only is Mormonism man-made, but so is every other religion out there, including all forms of christianity. Nobody has any actual proof that what they believe in, is true.
@ZelphKinderhook I think i told you to get lost. This is a discussion on Mormonnism, so you need to go to the atheists page with the dummies who cannot debate. You are unable to debate even your own reasoning, only single words like 'fairystories, how original. You have nothig to say! You are also pretty boiring to speak to, i'm moving on.
Do you really think I give a fcuk about what you told me to do? Seriously, are you really that stupid? Apparently, you are.
You are unable to debate even your own reasoning... and that's because your cult makes no sense. You have nothig to say that's true! You only think I'm boiring because you can't understand the concepts I'm talking about. Poor thing.
@ZelphKinderhook name one thing you have said so far, name it. i said plenty. here's another for your small mindedness. 2007 was when the fourth river to Eden was found. FACT. Thanks to satellite imagery. There are four rivers connecting Eden in the Bible. The FLOOD, would have wiped out that entire region. There. There's something else you simpleton. You haven't mentioned one concept, you want me to pull your previous meaningless comments? do i have to to prove my point? get lost!
@ZelphKinderhook Oh i love the way you copy my words too. 'You are unable to debate even your own reasoning'. now you're really losing cred. oh no wait, you don't have any!!
You know, you're a waste of time. You make no points, you have no evidence to support the stupid things you say.... why don't you go off and read something that isn't from your cult, for once?
@ZelphKinderhook gosh i thought you'd gone. look honey, ask me anything you want. i don't have stupid things to say when it comes to the existance of God. you know someone said 'you will spend more time trying to convince yourself of no God than you will in believing in one.'
@ZelphKinderhook i already told you they found the fourth river to Eden. I already told you what to watch in regards the flood. Have you looked? read anything since you last sent me a comment? i mean you really want to know there is no God don't you? Well, go and look!!
I was born into the Mormon church as well, PIKAJES96....and half of my family are sadly still members. hopefully one day you will find the strength to do your own research on the truth about the Mormon church....joseph smith and bringham young were not holy men...the church is hiding the truth from you and fooling you into following false prophets....i hope you find your way...
PrettyInInkSiren 19 hours ago
I have been with the LDS church all 15 years of my life and will continue being a member forever. The book of Mormon and the holy bible are indeed words of god and this video is not what we believe, at the judgement seat you will be held accountable for spreading lies and mocking the true church of god so I suggest you repent.
pikajes96 23 hours ago
This video touts a load of rubbish.
hawkdah 1 day ago
FIGHT AMONG YOUR SELVES, YOU RELIGIOUS FREEKS! SOMEDAY YOU WILL MURDER ALL OF MANKIND, THEN LOOK ATCHA YOU STUPID FUCK!!!
indowntime1966 1 day ago
Being a Mormon I know what I believe and that is in the savior Jesus Christ. Do not tell me what I believe or who I am, because you do not know me and you have not been to my church, or ever been a Mormon. And if you have please speak up, because maybe then we can actually have a discussion.
44thatonekid 5 days ago
@44thatonekid A few simple questsions. Do you worship a God who was once a sinner or a God who was the always same from Eternity to Eternity? SAME?. Do you believe in the exsistence of only ONE GOD? Is Father God? is Jesus God? is Holy Spirit God? Three Gods? Who is this. "Hear O israel the lord our God the lord is One Lord"..The Truth is that the Father, Son and Spirit are the One God. "In the beginning GOD created", "let us make man in our image." These are very simple questions about God.
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 1 day ago
I still have no idea how this dude ties Freemasonry in with Satanism. Seeing as how Freemasons don't hold God and Jesus divine they aren't really leaning towards the Christian faith. Satan is a deity of the Christian faith. You can't believe in Satan unless you believe in God.
Doristheinfuriating 1 week ago
@Doristheinfuriating Satan is not a Deity in Christian belief, he was created by God, he is a creature, like you and me.
Estaban333 1 week ago
@Estaban333 Satan isn't real. Grow up.
aqouby 6 days ago
@aqouby Christians do not believe that Satan is a deity. That's merely a fact about Christian beliefs. The fact that you watched this video and read my comments is a great waste of time for someone like yourself and is obviously a waste of time. Am I going to change my beliefs because a total stranger tells me that I'm wrong. Errr.. No. Don't waste any more of my time.
Estaban333 6 days ago
@Estaban333 You can't say fact when talking religion.
aqouby 6 days ago
@aqouby It's a fact that you don't believe - that is a FACT, right? Just as it is a fact that Christians don't believe that Satan is a deity. Clear enough for you?
Estaban333 2 days ago
@Estaban333 No :D
aqouby 1 day ago
I go through the temple ordinances almost every week. This video is so misleading, is all I will say. This is so sad to hear that people actually believe these things. All the best guys in your search for truth about religion and about deity.
loptarotuma 1 week ago
@loptarotuma You must be a milk Mormon. These realities are well known and easy to research. There have been changes in the Endowment Ceremony in last 20 years but the oaths, ritual, etc were well established from c1840 onward. There are no real errors in this video.
IExposeMormonism 6 days ago
@RazrsEdge427 Bible cannot be trusted? Yet we read it and study it. We hold both scriptures in the HIGHEST regards. We have never said it cannot be trusted because it was written by a man. If that was true then we wouldn't carry one around with us all the time, but guess what? We do.
qwertyuiopasdfghj924 1 week ago
@qwertyuiopasdfghj924 Have you ever read a Joseph Smith translated Bible? The things a farce and blasphemy. JS had no authority to alter/translate Bible text. But then he couldn't translate real Egyptian nor "Reformed Egyptian".
IExposeMormonism 6 days ago
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After the 40days in the desert, Jesus Christ went out of his way to find 12 that would be his Apostels! But, in the mormon church, it is alleged he settled for one dude. Jesus Christ promised the 12 that satan would not prevail against his Church which includes Heaven and Earth, so, apostacy never happened. If the Church was apostate when you say it was, then the Holy Bible is an apostacy and you must reject it because only bad fruit can come from a bad tree. The mormon church is suspect.
fljrox 1 week ago
So is the book of mormon...and btw having your own "testimony" does not constitute something to be true...if you believe this fine by me...i have family in this church and it hurts me because they refuse to open thier minds. God doesnt need money but you continue to pay it...
RenegadeMstrXboXLive 2 weeks ago
@robox... look i'm not sticking up for anyone here...What i wrote could have been misinterpreted but I dont care.... in regards to the mormon church, how could anyone carry on believing what they do about the church when it is proven fact that the book of abraham translated by joseph smith was a farce...supposedly written in reformed egyptian like the book of mormon when it was proven to be ancient egyptuan burial rights and prayers associated with osiris. So if the book of abrahm is fabricated.
RenegadeMstrXboXLive 2 weeks ago
@IExposeMormonism If you find that the LDS church being true disturbing then you are not going to da celestial kingdom
jesseOmessyO 1 month ago
I happen to be a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and half of what you just said never really happened. And how the heck is it Satanism! I mean we actually have jesus's name in our church title! To be christian is to believe in Christ, and we certaintly do. So go learn your facts right then we'll talk
jesseOmessyO 1 month ago
Lol cindybin you are brainwashed...30 years ago online you read about anti mormon stuff...unless you were ahead of everyone else in the world in tech...
RenegadeMstrXboXLive 1 month ago
@RenegadeMstrXboXLive Sir, not everything is learned on the fucking computer.
robloxoldageflims 2 weeks ago
Mormonism proves how easy it is to deceive human beings. They are just plain dumb sheeple
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
@IExposeMormonism I'm a convert to the Mormon church and take offense to that. How rude.
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 It's OK, I'm indicting all humanity. Mormonism's falsehoods are so easy to repudiate it helps point out the sheeple in people. For instance, the Book of Abraham was not translated by JS. It's 100% error. It's not Abe's, not 1700BC, all the glyphs were misinterpreted. By extension the BofM, "translated from reformed Egyptian" is false. Zero evidence for it exists and 4000 redactions made w/o any reference being made to the original text. And Morgs criticize the Bible!
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
@IExposeMormonism As I've said a million times, I read all this anti-Mormon stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the Church! I took the time to learn the truth. I wish others would as well. The LDS church will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church.
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 Well, you didn't do your homework. Which helps make my point about how easy it is to be tricked. And Joseph Smith is one tricky guy. The Book of Abraham is a provable fraud. The BofM is thus implicated because JS said he could translate both Egyptian and "reformed" Egyptian. I assume you've seen the letters provided to Anthon of which JS himself says Anthon confirmed as "Syrriac, Chaldaic, Arabic & Egyptian" And English. JS said "Mor-Mon" was English and Egyptian.
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
@IExposeMormonism Yes I did do my homework. As I said, I read all about this anti-Mormon stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the church. People online think they're telling us Mormons all these new things we haven't ever heard before. Sheesh.
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 Well, maybe you can help me. What's the most convincing evidence you have FOR the book of Abraham. I don't mean "Don't have for" as in " I have no evidence For the BofM", I mean what evidence, solid, 3D, palpable, visible tangible evidence do you know of that I could examine? Champollion was a poor country boy like JS> He translated real Egyptian. Why do experts agree with Champollion and not JS? Anything you could show as Real evidence would be appreciated.
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
@IExposeMormonism And no one in the world has ever and will ever confirm any species of Egyptian consisting of "Arabic, Syrriac, Chaldaic, Egyptian". Reformed or not. Much less English:: Which linguistics and history show existing in c325AD. Further, there was no cultural contact between 325AD England and Egypt of 1700 or 400BC. Nor between 325AD England and 325ADEgypt. JS=Zero with calender, linguistics, history, archeology, and truth.
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
@IExposeMormonism If you had a testimony that the Mormon church is true, you wouldn't need to ask me these questions. It's up to you to develop that testimony. But you have to want to know.
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 watch?v=7FtSUPAM-uA here is a true story on the history of English. according to Joseph Smith English is part of reformed Egyptian. This documentary disagrees. And so does reality.
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 watch?v=9YkhqPJT24A&feature=related shows the history of Champollion and hieroglyphs. Champollion was a poor country boy who learned many languages and was assisted by some wealthy people and translated hieroglyphs. It's an excellent documentary with documentaries links in side bar. The history of English doc' should be watched in sequence, it gives the origins of English, how it changed over time
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
@IExposeMormonism What makes you think I haven't seen these documentaries? And as I said, I read all kinds of anti-Mormon stuff over 30 years ago when I was investigating the church. People always think that Mormons are clueless and that we need to be enlightened, etc.
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 They're aren't anti Mormon they're documentaries on Egypt and hieroglyphs. They have nothing to do with Mormonism. And I doubt if you have seen any of the documentaries. there are many hours of them. They might raise some questions in your mind and they should.
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
@IExposeMormonism Okay, but why do you want to raise questions in my mind? Why do you want me to drop out of the Mormon church, after all I did to gain a testimony? There is no church I could ever be a member of, knowing what I know.
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 So you are aware that Joseph Smith was a 33rd degree Freemason?
AbandonedPanda 2 weeks ago
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@AbandonedPanda Yes, and it doesn't mean the church isn't true. I've read all this "freemason stuff" before, you really don't need to bother bringing it up.
cindybin2001 2 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him Yes, Lucifer is God.."
AbandonedPanda 2 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 That's a direct quote from Albert Pike, 33rd degree Freemason from his work "The Morals and Dogma of Freemasonry"
AbandonedPanda 2 weeks ago
@cindybin2001 If that is true then why do Mormons hold the BOM in higher regard than the Bible going so far as to say the Bible cannot be trusted because it was written by man? Who wrote the BOM?? An alien? No..A man that has been proven a million times over to be a fake and a charlatan and I sincerely pray that you will one day see that Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven. Through Him all things are possible. Through Joseph Smith...I hear it's hot where he is.
RazrsEdge427 2 weeks ago
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@RazrsEdge427 There are things in the Bible that are hard to understand and overlooked by mainstream Christian churches. We are lucky to have the Book of Mormon and other latter-day revelation that helps shed light on the Bible, and helps make sense of it all. I've been LDS for 30 years and we really do use the Bible as much as we do the Book of Mormon. And yes, Jesus Christ IS the only way to Heaven--that's what the church teaches. We don't worship Joseph Smith.
cindybin2001 2 weeks ago
"A cult by any other name".........
fab42 1 month ago
This is a stupid video.
magnus56j 1 month ago
Apparently Satanic people like to give help to others and spread a message of love and family strength. :)
DaSticksanStonesClub 1 month ago
Dear Simpletons....Mormonism is NOT "satanic". The symbols are from Freemasonry. Much more "satanic" was the Catholic church who murdered tens of thousands as "heretics". Satanists did not use the 5-pointed star until Anton LeVey used it thinking it was cool in 1965. The star was used to ward away evil spirits in the Middle-Ages.
mrdarrickevenson 2 months ago
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You're right.... Mormonism is not satanic. It's just false.
ZelphKinderhook 1 month ago
@ZelphKinderhook How can you say the Mormons are even false when you're an athiest? Atheism is by far the most creditless ideal there is out there!. At least the Mormons have based their belief system on someone who did actually exist, and is proven to have existed, it is not based on nothing!!
queue555 1 month ago
Mormonism is 100% satanic, the core of this cult teaches people that they can become gods in the afterlife...the same lie satan deceived the world with in the begining of this world. The unworthy and those who dont care about GOD follow this cult, you can not become GOD,...you humans are sinners and have demons working in your due to your sins and the sins of your parents.Many mormoms cant see the truth and wont se the truth as only Christians have access to GODs truth.
YaOkRight 2 months ago
If Joseph Smith had really had a vision, why would he have become Mayor, and wanting to run for President?. Why did he retaliate towards the Nauvoo Expositor for them exposing his belief in Polygamy? I mean seriously, how can you guys believe in the BOM when it is from someone like this?. They even killed their own! Would Jesus really be a head of this kind of 'church'! Get out of it, before the end of the system, else you'll be sorry you ever heard Smith's name or 'story'.
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alfiejames8 2 months ago
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2 PETER 1:20 "No prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation." one of the reasons people apostatize from this Church is that they have failed to heed the warning of the scriptures against listening to false teachers who raise their voices in our midst. People place a meaning upon the words that was not intended by the Lord who gave the scriptures.
akafreightking 2 months ago
254 mormons have watched this video!
fatalist6o9 2 months ago
We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
Nothing more nothing less
akafreightking 2 months ago
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
akafreightking 2 months ago
We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God
We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory
akafreightking 2 months ago
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
akafreightking 2 months ago
We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
akafreightking 2 months ago
This is the Belief of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
akafreightking 2 months ago
This video is complete rubbish
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking got evidence to back that conclusion up? because there is a load of historical and documented evidence for the facts presented in the video.
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 i am a mormon, and there is nothing in this church that teaches anything satanic
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking thats nice, but the history of joseph smith, his occultic dabblings and masonic membership are historical fact. and you say your church isnt satanic, but the doctrines preached by your scriptures and church leaders past preaches disgustic heretic lies about the Christian God and his only Son Jesus, and any system that preaches lies about our God is working for satan, its the logical truth
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 please tell me the lies you speak of? not everything on you tube is a fact..
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking wanna reply to the birgham young quote? the lies are many, some include: there are many Gods (the bible teaches clearly theres one and only); satan and jesus are brothers (the bible teaches satan is a fallen angel, and Jesus is the only begotten son of God); we become Gods one day (the bible teaches we are Gods adopted children only); that God the father had sexual intercourse with Mary (really? how disgusting , heretic and satanic) ...many more
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 i am a mormon and there is nothing in our gospel that says there are many Gods, where do you get this information. there is only God our Heavenly Father his son Jesus Christ our saviour and the Holy Ghost. there is no more than that.... we also teach that satan was a fallen angel who rebelled against god. we do not become Gods one day we can become like God by being all righteous and worthy enough to walk with him one day. God did not have intercourse with mary..
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218; vol. 8, p. 115).
After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354.)
There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 Mormon Doctrine is a book somebody wrote, it is not official
akafreightking 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 "to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves" that is taken right out out of Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p.346 that does no way say that we have potential to become a God
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking keep reading, pg 354
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 there is nothing on 354 that says we can become Gods, please quote the words on 354 that suggest so
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking another source: Doctrine and Covenants: 76: 58 Wherefore, as it is written, they are gods, even the sons of God—
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 even the sons of God... which means they are almost like Him. not actual Gods
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking "they are gods" its pretty clear
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@akafreightking Doctrine and Covenants 132: 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 well my conclusion is that we can be Gods but there still is only one God above us and he can permit us to be a God but no powerfull than he is. But honestly i dont know, im still learning
akafreightking 2 months ago
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@akafreightking " because all things are subject unto them. " if all things are subject unto them, how can one God be above them? but your honesty is appreciated :)
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@akafreightking The truth of it all is its all about Jesus : Revelation 22:12 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." My Jesus is alive, I know Him, and you can too. you can ask Him to come to you, reveal Himself to you, and ask Him into your life, He'll show you the truth and change your life forever. Its the best decision anyone can ever make. :)
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 this makes some sense "I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and THREE GODS. If this is in accordance with the New Testament, lo and behold! we have THREE GODS anyhow, and they are plural; and who can contradict it?"
akafreightking 2 months ago
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alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 The Godhead consists of three Gods, but we only pray to and worship our Heavenly Father.
akafreightking 2 months ago
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@akafreightking who can contradict it? God can :)
1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee
Psalm 86:10 —thou art God alone.
Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.
James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 what do you make of this 1 Corinthians 8:5 "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)"
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking the whole passage is: 1 Corinthians 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. " the world has many religions and gods, but there is only one true God. :)
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 do you believe Jesus Christ is a God
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking the God. i believe the trinity of the bible, the concept of 3 being as 1 is not something our mind can easily grasp, but this is no different to the countless factors of our God we have no hope to fathom, we trust Him
alfiejames8 2 months ago
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akafreightking 2 months ago
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@alfiejames8 LUKE 20:35-36 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
akafreightking 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 no, they are like God. the church believes their is only one God
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking Abraham and the Pearl of Great Price 4:1 And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.
one of many sources for the multiple gods of mormonism
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 Moses 2: 1. 1 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I reveal unto you concerning this heaven, and this earth; write the words which I speak. I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things; yea, in the beginning I created the heaven, and the earth upon which thou standest.
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking heres where the problem for you is, the sacrifice of the mormon Jesus isn't sufficient for the forgiveness of all sins, ref: D & C 42:18;The Journal of Discourses 3:247; 4:53-4; 4:219-220; My Jesus, the Christian Jesus did it all, paid the full price, its the only way, no work of ours can do it (ref: Eph 1:8 ,Rom. 3:24; 4:5; 5:1-2; 1 Cor. 6:9-11; 15:3; 2 Cor. 5:14-21)
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 the mormon Jesus? there is only one Jesus; Jesus Christ.. he sacrificed himself for humanity.. for you and for me
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking indeed there is, but we cant both be right now can we. your Jesus is the spirit brother of satan and isnt sufficient for the forgiveness of all sin. Mine has no spirit brothers and paid the ultimate price for all sin, praise God. We cant both be right. so who is? I know my Jesus personally, He's alive. Do you know yours?
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 aren't we all brothers and sisters from God. Satan was one of us but he chose not to follow Gods plan and so he was kicked out of heaven and was never able to come to earth like we have been able to and have mortal bodies like our God. I know our Jesus as well and i am always grateful that our savior sacrificed himself for us
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alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 the Holy Ghost visited mary and made her pregnant, there was no intercourse... i suggest you get your information from a better source
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking my source is Brigham Young. maybe you should research your religion
alfiejames8 2 months ago
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@akafreightking "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the Children of men, that they may not call scripture!" Bringham Young, Journal of Discourses, Volume 13, page 95. "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." Journal of Discourses, Volume 10, page 110.
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@akafreightking i just pasted word from Bringham Young about the curse of black people. Disgusting racist filth and satanic.
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 Back in those days blacks were considered a lesser sort. blacks were slaves back in those days, most white people did not care for black
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking so its alright then? the point is the Christian doctrines and writings told us to love our neighbour, regardless of any difference. meanwhile the mormon doctinres labelled them cursed and lesser, racism is never of God but satan.
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 you dont understand why they are black in the first place do you. do you ever wonder why some people are white and some are black? There was a curse placed upon them because of their iniquities and their skin darkened (this was before Christs' birth) some were later absolved of the curse and were turned white and others were not. All generations of them have the curse of their ancestors. that is why they were denied the priesthood. but there was revelation given and now they can
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking So you are agreeing with Brigham Young and saying they are cursed? I say once more, racism is never ever of God but of Satan. There are people of all different colours of skin, just like hair and eyes. It is usually due to the climate of where they live, skin cancer and sun damage is far less common in the darker skinned people. they are equally Gods children
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 no they have a curse that they have inherited from their ancestors because of their iniquities, they might be good people now but they live with the curse of their ancestors, God takes no mercy to those who sin unless they repent. i agree we are ALL Gods children but that does not mean we are all free of sin.
akafreightking 2 months ago
@akafreightking Im wasting my time debating the skin colour issue with you, as the living Jesus doesnt have your heart I can't expect you to understand the disgust I feel for people claiming such racist disgusting doctrines are of God.
alfiejames8 2 months ago
@alfiejames8 Your correct. It says in Acts that we are "all of one blood".....
trancemajestic 2 months ago
@akafreightking "turned white"? so you are stating that those of white skin are of higher vitrue and worth than those of black then. Does this kind of doctrine sound like something Jesus would have said? If you think so, please read your bible again
alfiejames8 2 months ago
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akafreightking 2 months ago
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@alfiejames8 cont. there was revelation given in these latter days and now they can hold the priesthood. This Church is the Truth you can accept it or not.
akafreightking 2 months ago
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@akafreightking again, many ways mormon doctrine differs from the Bible. Satan was never one of us, he was around before, an angel. we were made at genesis. And Satan is on earth right now, and has been since he rebelled. And for knowning Jesus, I dont mean knowing who He is, but knowing Him personally, as well and real as any friend or person I know, and as He promised the Holy Spirit lives in me, I feeel his fire all the time,and the gifts He grants, prophecy tongues healing
alfiejames8 2 months ago
84000 views good job its right at the top of my channel faves where it stays for all the world to see in these times of Romney.
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Xiaolian7 2 months ago
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Its easy to say there is no God because no one can give you tangible proof, but everyone that has a relationship with Jesus know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he lives. People that dont believe, just choose not to. On the basis of what athiests believe, i turn it around to you to PROVE that there is no God.
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Mormons are taught to give their TESTIMONY it goes something like this: I HAVE A BURNING IN MY BOSSOM. This is a PAT ANSWER something they are taught to say in a response that is a way they can defend their beliefs and is suspose to make everything valid no matter what. When I have a Burning in my Bossom I take ROLAIDS and it GOES AWAY! THE BIBLE is the answer; the Book of Mormon is FALSE. When you modify/change the Word of God to suit YOUR BELIEF STRUCTURE YOU ARE A CULT! There not Christians
FormerMPSGT 3 months ago
thumbs up if you're angry on this video
thumbs up again if you believe that wistoker is the true cult and satanic!
akomlkz 3 months ago 2
is this dude an idiot, satanic really, that is the complete opposite of what we are, if you want to know what were about than read the book of mormon
manuboy214 3 months ago
I am a Latter-Day Saint. We believe Satan is a fallen angel. We don't worship him in anyway. I wonder if you would go to Nazis to learn about Jews.
savezelda 3 months ago
@savezelda
I wonder if you would ask a cult about itself and expect to get the real story?
ZelphKinderhook 3 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook
they wouldnt but you should know we are not a cult
manuboy214 3 months ago
@manuboy214
people who are in cults never think that they are in cults. you've been fooled, kid.
ZelphKinderhook 3 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook
you sound like the cultist
manuboy214 3 months ago
@manuboy214
Oh gee, what a smaaaaaaart comeback! Really, is that all you got? That and.... beatboxing? Bwahahahahaha!
ZelphKinderhook 3 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook
what does beat boxing have anything to do with this
manuboy214 3 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook You can spend a lifetime thinkin you understand the Bible like you've read it cover to cover. But with a traditionalized understanding of it, which christendom gives, you won't get the overall picture, and it's clear you don't. you probably taught these kid's that you go heaven, or hell didn't you?. and where does that come from?. The RCC, Constantine, the emperor or Rome. Did you know this stuff/ have you really examined the origins of these things?. i doubt it.
queue555 3 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook So i've seen enough of your EvilBible. It is the Evil biblicly ignorant webpage constructor who doesn't understand it, and this to me shows your level of understanding also. i'd hate to have been in a class with you teaching me. I'm not jumping on ya, but jeez, get a proper study! then you'll get the bigger picture!. we do not live like they did, but do far worse in today's world because 'we know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in power of the wicked one'.
queue555 3 months ago
@queue555
I'm the first to admit that not everything on the site is correct, but most of it is, in my experience as a 30-year former christian.
The whole sacrifice thing with Abraham, for example. Needless cruelty from a cruel god.
God himself telling Moses how to buy and sell slaves... a god should know better, regardless of what the culture was at that time.
BTW, I have no interest in getting married in ANY church. All religions are man-made.
ZelphKinderhook 3 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Do you not see the Abraham story? God blessed Abraham well, he was the forefather of the Jews. He knew what he was doing. It is not for you to decide what Gods standards are, or me, here is an example from Deut 32 4. The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness with whom there is no injustice'.'For my thoughts of you people are not my thoughts, nor are my ways your ways'. 1st John 4.8 'God is love'.
queue555 3 months ago
@queue555
Again, these are all stories that have no evidence to back them up. While the bible does have some historical correlations, there's no proof that any of the supernatural or god-related things ever happened. ALL religions of the earth are man-made.
ZelphKinderhook 3 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Take a look at the Dead Sea Scrolls. These back up alot of things from the Hebrew Bible. Take a look at the banned books, take a look at the ancient cultures stone depictions of things that went on, that coinside with biblical events. you have missed the overall picture, you're taking a shallow, simplictic view of it, probably cos you don't wanna change yourself. ;you want to do what you want. yes? even right a little bit? be honest!
queue555 2 months ago
@queue555
What a silly response. Didn't you pay attention? In my last comment, I said the bible has historical correlations. No intellient person would dispute that. But there's NO evidence of the supernatural. You're the one with the shallow, simplistic view if you don't understand the difference
Don't want to change myself? Huh? There's nothing that needs changing. What a non-sequitor!
ZelphKinderhook 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Oh egotistical too huh? Historical correlations to what?. Dont' try to act like i'm thick neither madam, you're the one who's missing out not me. i'm learning, i'm bothering you are just nit picking. You don't need evidence for everything you can't see, that's a fact. That is shallow thinking. I don't have a shallow view, i'm not going to stupid sites like evil bible and believing everything some webpage person's "opinion only' and misinterpretation. i debunked a few all ready
queue555 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook And you are so wrong about evidence. they know the flood happened old news! get with the programme!!. they have found the fourth river to Eden, old news!! they have found the city of David, they have found pottery chards with Goliath's name on it, (yes a giant), i can go on and on. Find 'The Exodus Decoded' from the history channel, that might help you understand proof. serious. And DNA is way too complex to be an accident, they know that too! Stop bucking God!
queue555 2 months ago
@queue555
Actually, I'm not wrong, you fool. There's no evidence of a global flood. You're wrong.
Finding the city of David is a historical correlation, not a spiritual one. Pottery chards that refer to a fable? Not evidence. Obviously, you don't know the difference between speculation and cold hard proof. You're damn thick if you think that's evidence!
I'm not about to be fooled by mythology, as you are. Poor thing.
ZelphKinderhook 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Ha Ha, i heard that NZ is behind the rest of the english speakin world, so i guess that's why you havn't heard of the latest news of the deluge. sorry hon, what youre left with is this, you can decide whether you want to believe it was 'divine manipulation of the elements', or just a natural occurance, no there is no proof, but they do know now, that it did take place. There is evidence of it and even a time frame, but older than we date the time of Genesis. OK
queue555 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook I challenge you to watch 'The Exodus Decoded' for starters. you don't understand the bible that is clear, you want to judge it on your own understanding, which is always gonna be wrong, & you're telling me you taught sunday school? for how many, 4 kids in some tiny village somewhere! You have shown the typical atheistic view of the Bible by jumpin on the OT, and taken an opinion on that! Please, get a proper study!! then come back to me as an atheist!. & read whats out there!
queue555 2 months ago
@queue555
Sorry hon, but you're absolutely wrong about a world flood. I guess you don't read much, right? Apparently.
Yes, i taught sunday school. You obviously don't understand the bible... if you did, you would no longer believe. You're a typical myopic theist... The problem with you theists is that you never read anything that challenges your beliefs. You like to remain safe within your system. And that's just pathetic.
You poor lost soul...
ZelphKinderhook 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook are you for real!. i told you you have based your statements on 'no flood' with nothing. i have given you something to look at, and there is a new theory on it i watched the other day, science has now understood 'set down' wind. they didn't before, but had a hole bunch of EXPERTS in the field explaining about it. i told you, it's up to you how you wanna take it, but get real, SCIENCE CAN'T DEBUNK THE DELUGE. been going on for years. NZ must be really behind
queue555 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Maybe you'd like to try strengthening your case with some evidence that YOU HAVE READ!. NEW STUFF, not old. like i have. at least as a believer i do the 'typical' backing up of why i believe something, whether it be biblically or scientifically!! I understand that bible a whole lot better than you, i debunked you're stupid evil bible crap. i notice you didn't argue scripturally with me, hmm, why? cos you don't get the whole picture. get a study one day, open your eyes.
queue555 2 months ago
@queue555
I happen to be an American living in New Zealand. See what happens when you ASSume? You fool.
You're the one claiming there's a god, so the burden of proof is on you. So far, you haven't provided any verifiable evidence. You haven't debunked anything. You haven't given any cites. You lose.
ZelphKinderhook 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook UH excuse me! But are you not convinced there is NO GOD?. why does the burden fall on to me?. Because i can come up with stuff to prove it and you can't!. What kind of evidence is it that you want oh poor lost soul?. God is a spirit, he cannot manifest himself to shake your hand, it's impossible. i gave you locations. the river to eden, david's city found, i'm not in a competition with you. you just havn't gotten many up to date facts on this subject. EXODUS DECODED.
queue555 2 months ago
@queue555
The reason why the burden falls on you is that you are the one making the extraordinary claim. When you make a claim that's unbelievable, then you better have good evidence to back it up. And you don't... all you have is speculation. Don't you know the difference between evidence and speculation? Apparently, you don't.
The only lost soul here... is you.
ZelphKinderhook 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook you cop out!! you have nothing to back up your claims for no God. how stupid, like all atheists. How could you go from allegedly teaching sunday school (what a jokethat must've been), to being as empty headed as you are now!. There is life on other planets, they had to have been created too! Get your ass up to speed, and shutup tryin to debate something you know little of! You base it on nothing, you havn't brought anything to the table. Great presentation of atheism.
queue555 2 months ago
@queue555
Are you really that dumb? Guess so.
It's no cop out, because I'm not the one making the unbelievable claim.... YOU are.
Get your ass up to speed, kid... you have no evidence of a god. I never promised you a presentation... if you want one, go get "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. I don't have time to help an obnoxious fool like you.
Now stop wasting my time with your foolishness.
ZelphKinderhook 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook See. you just reinforced everything i said earlier about your huge lack of knowledge. if you did have any, you'd say it but you havn't once, except to make a statement that you don't believe in God. Not why, or what you do believe, if anything, or any knowledge of biblical texts to debate. you're a loser. go to the losers page with the atheists, you'll be welcomed there. duh.
queue555 2 months ago
@queue555
What a pathetic response. You only wrote that because you know you can't win. That's because you confuse belief with facts. Poor thing.
ZelphKinderhook 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook you're the pathetic one, i'm not in any competition with a divvy like yourself. i know the truth. you don't. what i wrote before was the truth, you havn't brought any evidence of athiesm to the table. so get lost.
queue555 2 months ago
@queue555
Truth? You wouldn't know truth if it smacked you in the head with a baseball bat! You're the one who believes in unproven fairy tales. I only believe that which I can see with my own eyes. Since you're the one who's claiming to have truth, the burden of proof falls on you. And you fail at that.
ZelphKinderhook 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook with doubt, there is no room for faith, belief, hope
akafreightking 2 months ago
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@akafreightking
Well, there is room for faith, belief and hope... but it should NOT be more important than cold hard facts. So, if you look at the evidence, not only is Mormonism man-made, but so is every other religion out there, including all forms of christianity. Nobody has any actual proof that what they believe in, is true.
ZelphKinderhook 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook I think i told you to get lost. This is a discussion on Mormonnism, so you need to go to the atheists page with the dummies who cannot debate. You are unable to debate even your own reasoning, only single words like 'fairystories, how original. You have nothig to say! You are also pretty boiring to speak to, i'm moving on.
queue555 2 months ago
@queue555
Do you really think I give a fcuk about what you told me to do? Seriously, are you really that stupid? Apparently, you are.
You are unable to debate even your own reasoning... and that's because your cult makes no sense. You have nothig to say that's true! You only think I'm boiring because you can't understand the concepts I'm talking about. Poor thing.
ZelphKinderhook 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook name one thing you have said so far, name it. i said plenty. here's another for your small mindedness. 2007 was when the fourth river to Eden was found. FACT. Thanks to satellite imagery. There are four rivers connecting Eden in the Bible. The FLOOD, would have wiped out that entire region. There. There's something else you simpleton. You haven't mentioned one concept, you want me to pull your previous meaningless comments? do i have to to prove my point? get lost!
queue555 2 months ago
@ZelphKinderhook Oh i love the way you copy my words too. 'You are unable to debate even your own reasoning'. now you're really losing cred. oh no wait, you don't have any!!
queue555 2 months ago
@queue555
You know, you're a waste of time. You make no points, you have no evidence to support the stupid things you say.... why don't you go off and read something that isn't from your cult, for once?
ZelphKinderhook 1 month ago
@ZelphKinderhook gosh i thought you'd gone. look honey, ask me anything you want. i don't have stupid things to say when it comes to the existance of God. you know someone said 'you will spend more time trying to convince yourself of no God than you will in believing in one.'
queue555 1 month ago
@ZelphKinderhook i already told you they found the fourth river to Eden. I already told you what to watch in regards the flood. Have you looked? read anything since you last sent me a comment? i mean you really want to know there is no God don't you? Well, go and look!!
queue555 1 month ago