Richard Heinberg's Peak Everything - Part 2

[aterseraph]

Learn to hunt, fish, grow your own food, live in smaller tight knit communities boys and girls. Shit is hitting the fan. Just think what will happen in your town when at the local super-market the delivery trucks can only run once a week because of the cost of fuel..that food travels on the average of 2000 miles from where it was grown to make it to your market shelf....we are in trouble. Prepare...interesting times indeed...

[christo930]

I completely disagree that the US peak oil experience is an accurate template for peak oil in other nations. The major difference is market forces in the US, especially before the peak when we had much much freer markets and oil production was market driven. Most oil exporting nations have national oil companies that completely control oil production, exploration and investment. Gov entities don't have the same incentives or behave the same way as free market capitalism.

[christo930]

@christo930 Another problem is that we really haven't experienced peak oil because we have been able to make up shortfalls through imports which helps the exponential oil drilling we have done since the peak. When the world peaks, where is all the energy going to come from to start drilling millions of holes in the ground like we did in the 70's alone? It takes a lot of energy to drill even test rigs and most of them are duds, but we had the excess energy to dot that, they won't.

[beastinblack]

up to $150 a barrel....

[1dschamp]

I always enjoy listening to Richard Heinberg. Very easy to listen to and stays on point. Great upload!!

[linghun]

Apparently Enviromorons will never reach PEAK IMBECILITY. Green idiocy exists in infinite supply. So what oil will end? I wish it had ended already, so we could be more prosperous. Nuclear fission, fusion, solar power, space resources can enrich us 20 million times for several million years.

[simplyjbr]

@linghun Don't you have a drive thru to hit, maybe a nascar event to go to? Yes! let's mine one the most rare resources on this planet (uranium) and create massively poisonous waste products so that you can get your daily ignorance enema! Lord knows I want my children to grow up in the wake of your brilliant resource management techniques.

[linghun]

@simplyjbr OK so your children will grow up in a society akin to Pol Pots Cambodia, which is the wet dream of all environmentalists, even though many deny. No consumerism, no cities, no globalization, no technology, killing fields for "population control", local food, local starvation, etc. Good riddance in your brave new world.

[simplyjbr]

@linghun I can safely say that you haven't the foggiest idea of what I hope to see for my children and their children, and it has certainly never had anything to do with fascist dictatorships and totalitarian control. What I do believe is that sitting on our royal asses pretending that our fabulous linear system of consumption can continue indefinitely is going to result in a panicked population of people just like you, flipping a bitch cause you don't know where your dinner is coming from.

[linghun]

@simplyjbr Well maybe in todays world people don't know where their dinners come from, but in your world there is no dinner. These wiley coyote "local food" schemes only word with massive amounts of driving from "local market" to local market and would require 90% of people to become full-time farmers, ie. a feudalistic world like the 11th century, kiss human rights, women liberation, democracy, good bye if the Heinbergs of the world have their way.

[simplyjbr]

@linghun You definitely missed the boat on my last comment, which proves that my continued communication is just a product of a sick fascination with the zealotry that some people (like you) exhibit around threatening ideas. You pull a bunch of typically scary ideas out of your ass, parading them around as factually sound. Again, you have no idea where your resources come from, so how could you possibly have a grip on the true cost of them?

[linghun]

@simplyjbr I am well educated on the origin of resources. Don't assume about people u dont know. The fatal flaw of Heinbergs ideas is that we cannot run our technilogical-industrial society without oil and coal, and if we could and these resources will run out before we can adjust. Thus DOOM. I possess vast information that denies these assumptions. Oil and coal are wasteful and expensive. Living without them will make humanity far more prosperous, with far more energy per capita.

[simplyjbr]

@linghun Are you referring to your "nukes will save the day" theory when you cite your vast information? If you are so well versed in resources and alternative to fossil fuels, then by all means, get your brilliant ass out there and save the day. But if you truly believe that the answer to resource (all resources) depletion is nuclear power, then you just might want to take a gander at Japan right now. Nuclear is dangerous, and in the end, not sustainable either.

[linghun]

@simplyjbr You mean Japan where not a single civilian has ever been killed by a nuclear powerplant? Not even by the 40-year old Fukushima hit by a 9 point earthquake + huge tsunami? The one that has been generating power without any CO2 or soot or pollution of any kind for 4 decades? And no, of course nuclear fission alone will not save the say, but solar power (= natural nuclear fusion), biofuels, electricity, man-made fusion, thermal power, wind power, fuels from algae, etc just might.

[simplyjbr]

@linghun You are talking about the Fukushima plant that is leaking radiation into the atmosphere as I write this, right? All those things sound great! Why don't you get that party started then, and never mind where the resources come from to produce and maintain this myriad of alternatives that you believe will sustain our ever burgeoning population. 0 pollution!? Since when is toxic waste by-product not pollution? You are aware that nuclear power plants create toxic waste, aren't you?

[linghun]

@simplyjbr Everything is leaking radiation. The oceans contain 4.5 billion tons of uranium, every hospital is filled with radiation that cures many diseases, etc. The resources to produce new energy? Well the earth is reached by 10,000 times more solar power than humanity consumes today, that'd be a start. Hydro, wind, bio, etc. Coal can be burned with carbon-capture technology to reduce 98% pollution. And nuclear waste is not pollution unless it reaches the biosphere, which it never has.

[simplyjbr]

@linghun Ok, I give up. It's been a blast linghun. Good luck to you and all your pillage and rape buddies. I can see that you would cling to anything to maintain your excessively wasteful lifestyle, and that the quality of life for future generations is not of importance. I cannot say I learned anything new from this exchange. I'm sure you are one of those "must have last word" types, so hop to it, round it off nicely, and smugly smile at your computer screen.

[linghun]

@simplyjbr I don't have a wasteful lifestyle. But so I do not have the "last word" can you please explain what then is the solution? Or what do u think will happen?

[Dandaniels1978]

Hmmm screwed is the word im looking for

[WolYou]

A million barrels per day is 0.4% of worlds daily demand (90 billion brls per year)

Just to show how small e million bls per day is in reality.

[bobbygnosis]

I find it quite funny that it happens to fall near 2012. Interesting times indeed. Look into local plants and animals that you can eat with limited cooking options. We're all going to have to live like Native Americans and Mongols in the forseeable future.

Peace.

P.S. Enjoy your Belgian beer while you can.

[moreaudan]

On April 21, 2008, OpEdNews reported that an internal email from Gen. Michael J. Kussman, undersecretary for health at the Veterans Administration, to Ira Katz, head of mental health at the VA, confirms a McClatchy Newspaper report that 126 veterans per week commit suicide. To the extent that the suicides are attributable to the war, more than 500 deaths should be added to the reported combat fatalities each month.

[cds10690]

this country is taste end of this year. get ready

[Storolf]

you mean toast? Well, toast can be tasty....

[elfboi523]

What do you mean by "this country"? The USA? I'm German, and I think that Germany will be toast very soon, too - and that we will see a new type of totalitarian regime in Europe very soon, the new fascists are already on the rise in Germany, Austria, Italy, Switzerland, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark...

[cds10690]

elfboi523.. yes i gues i could have said the whole world... we are all doomed

[elfboi523]

I wouldn't call it "doomed"... I'd rather say we're living in interesting times.

[featherjackMaine]

@elfboi523 in dynastic China, "May you live in interesting times" was a curse

[235RB]

@elfboi523 I would say we are doomed, the future generations especially. Phinite planet, and infinite growth does not work. can't live on a planet and destroy it too, won't last.

[thearmin]

first.....