Man, they just don't stop these weird feminist screw ups. It would be more accurate to shout to everyone stop the online Misandry, male bashing is alive and well on the internet as it is most ever where else. However, men unlike women are not so caught up in their gender that they forget their humanity. Bottom line, the known world is fed up about hearing this feminist garbage, stop it!
I don't think you can call not thinking about someone's gender and defaulting to the male 'misogyny'. Misogyny requires that one KNOWS you are a woman. Not thinking is just not thinking.
I have noticed this as well. It's particularly bad in certain contexts that generally have majority male populations - for example, video games. The worst is when I (politely) correct someone who used the wrong pronoun only to be _told_ by that person that I am a guy simply because I am either A) playing a video game, or B) talking about one. Fortunately, that doesn't happen too often, and I have noticed more people trying not to assume. It still seems fairly common though.
To be honest, for a start I make no presumption, EVEN about the ones WITH an overtly female name. It could be an overweight guy named Buford living in a trailer behind a council tip somwhere. Number 2, nothing would make me more jolly than for women to start adopting nomenclature that doesn't inherently project their gender. I have this discussion often with women, about some of the things that rub guys wrong, and also hinders women's art. Always making gender an issue.
Being a girl, I tend to assume most people as girls before I actually see them, and I assume this would be the same for guys. NEVER ASSUME, it makes an ass out of u and me
Thanks for sharing. I got online in 1995 and there weren't a lot of other girls online in most chat rooms. So I just never made any assumptions although back then the ratio of female to male was probably 1/20. Now that everything online is so mainstream the ratio is probably close to 50% which makes it even more silly to make assumptions.
Tbh with you, I think you make the same mistake, you seem to assume as "de facto" that only men are behind online misogyny. I will agree that men are mostly behind it, but I would also make abundantly clear that it also includes women.
You know I am tired of making a vaid argument in some debate just to have some ass hole say, "Oh yeah? Well....you're FAT!" I'll have likely males on my side and they never get that kind of personal insult. (I am NOT fat). I've never even considered the fact you of what you're objecting to. I think it's just part of all language - whenever we don't know the sex of something we revert to "he". I'm not saying it's right.
Perhaps you should make your own video about misandry if that is something that genuinely concerns you.
However it certainly doesn't seem like "man-hater" views are very popular. If you met women that treat you that way then you are associating with the wrong people.
If you watched this video and came off thinking that I was being hateful or bigoted then that is a reflection of you, not me.
I have nothing against men, I only have a problem with misogyny.
Okay but I'm not part of that. I am all about equality, not about portraying one gender as better or worse than the other.
Last I checked men have never been denied the right to vote nor legally considered "property" of their wives. You worrying about misandry sounds a lot like a white person complaining about how victimized they are by racism, or a rich kid getting upset that their parents make them go out and get a job.
The only oppression men have that I can come up with is "the draft".
@enigmatically You checked wrong! Not all men were able to vote from the onset in the US. In fact, the right to vote is still conditional for men. If we don't sign up for selective service, we don't get to vote.
Like I said, you don't have to sign-up. Your rights are simply guaranteed by the 19th amendment. Men are STILL given the right to vote on a conditional basis. It doesn't matter whether or not the draft is currently active.
Men have never been denied the right to vote in this country. Selective service being mandatory for men doesn't have anything to do with the right to vote, you can't opt-out of it, doing so is a crime. And criminals are stripped of the right to vote irregardless of gender.
I agree that the draft is BS and could be considered the sole form of misandry in the US, but it has nothing to do with voting rights other than signing up to vote enrolls men in selective service as an administrative thing
I'm not sure where you learned history, but it's a fact that some men could not always vote in this country. When the US was first founded, only land-owners were allowed to vote. Later-on, other men were given the right to vote after being conscripted to fight. In fact, some women were able to vote in local elections BEFORE the 19th amendment was passed. In fact, it was in 1756. See Lydia Chapin for more information.
You're really grasping at straws. The things you mention have nothing to do with gender so trying to act like men have been gender-discriminated throughout American history is not working. The ONLY state-sponsored gender discrimination in American history for men is the draft.
So because your original argument "Men have never been denied the vote" is proven false you resort to claiming I'm grasping at straws? You are pretty much denying reality if you can't grasp the fact that in today's society men can be denied the right to vote if they do not VOLUNTARILY register for Selective Service at age 18; while women simply get a vote when they turn 18. Say I'm grasping at straws all you want, you've been disproven.
There is nothing voluntary about selective service, it is illegal for men not to register. This is the ONLY state-sponsored gender discrimination against men in the history of the U.S.
But you're trying to pretend like men are denied the right to vote by virtue of their gender which is not true. So you're grasping at straws.
Since you are not male, I don't expect you to know how Selective Service works. You are correct that it is illegal to not sign-up, but it is not something that automatically happens, as you're suggesting. Failure to sign-up will result in no voting rights, among other things. I don't know how to make it any clearer to you. You, yourself admit to SS being state-sponsored discrimination. How is it a stretch to see how this affects other areas of a man's life?
The SS is discrimination; the ramifications of violating the law are not. It's not hard for me to understand, the wiki page is quite thorough and I have brothers who have signed up for it, so pretending that I can't know how it works based on gender is rather presumptive and borderline sexist.
There are lots of situations where boys who become naturalized citizens are unaware of their obligation to sign-up, and thus do not do so. Some, out of fear, do not vote because they don't want to end up in jail.
A couple people here on youtube have assumed that I was a man. I have never made assumptions about gender by someone's username. I just don't see what's so hard about saying "they" instead of "he"/"she".
There is no grammatical problem with using one in place of he or she, as "one" can be used as third person singular. However, I do think you are blowing this way out of proportion. I have had women refer to me as "she" before. It goes both ways, but neither are misogynistic or misandric.
there are so many rants about misandry out there on youtube, but nobody speaks out against misogyny, its just taken for granted and everybody tolerates it
but if any woman dares say something bad about men ...
Enigmatically, who's to say that you're a woman? After all, you do submit yourself in a gender-neutral way, so are we to assume you have no gender, or that you have both?
Your outrage is ill-founded and infantile.
The truth is, you're not interested in knowing why men typically behave in this manner. Instead, you assume that this stems from some sort of bigoted and malicious behavior that is inherit in men and only men.
I did look there, and did indeed note that you are a female. In my comment, I was referring to your name directly (basing sex on name alone), you know, keeping my comment in context to your argument.
You are the one guilty of making the assumption in this respect. Furthermore, it shows me that you aren't actually interested in what I have to say on the matter. Let alone what any other man will have to say on the matter, because we are instantly discredited as chauvinists.
well I know a married couple where the guy and girl are both named Jamie. it is strange that they have the same name.
You are being accusatory though. If you have something to say, say it.
If you're just going to call me names and pretend like I'm a man-hater (which I'm not, that is just your faulty perception of me) it isn't going to accomplish much of anything.
So explain to me why people assume the gender of the person they talk to online with no indication one way or the other?
My darling...you know why this happens? Becuase your mind creates patterns! That is it! But it is upsetting that you think that everthing that you see men differing with you is sexiest or bigoted. Disagreeing with women does not make us sexiest! Just that we are in disagreement! Ha...ha! That is it! Anf then we go to dinner! You must learn to differenciate between those two positions: differing or being in disagreement with you...or someone being sexist....
Man, they just don't stop these weird feminist screw ups. It would be more accurate to shout to everyone stop the online Misandry, male bashing is alive and well on the internet as it is most ever where else. However, men unlike women are not so caught up in their gender that they forget their humanity. Bottom line, the known world is fed up about hearing this feminist garbage, stop it!
GTCism 1 year ago
shut up
Abobojo 1 year ago
Oh jeez! People don't recognize you are a female immediantly on the INTERNET? WHERE EVERYTHING IS TEXT, NUMBERS AND PIXELS?
Jesus fucking christ.
Akadra 1 year ago
Misogyny, n. [miss-aww-jinn-knee] Hatred of or contempt for women. From the Greek "miso", meaning "contempt", and "gynos" meaning woman.
I fail to see how this is about misogyny.
loqutor 1 year ago
I don't think you can call not thinking about someone's gender and defaulting to the male 'misogyny'. Misogyny requires that one KNOWS you are a woman. Not thinking is just not thinking.
Telepresent 1 year ago
Mistaking a female for a male online is NOT misogyny. Read a Lexicon, idiots!
Quintapus 1 year ago
I have noticed this as well. It's particularly bad in certain contexts that generally have majority male populations - for example, video games. The worst is when I (politely) correct someone who used the wrong pronoun only to be _told_ by that person that I am a guy simply because I am either A) playing a video game, or B) talking about one. Fortunately, that doesn't happen too often, and I have noticed more people trying not to assume. It still seems fairly common though.
EtherealAura 1 year ago
@EtherealAura there are tons of female gamers, myself included.
enigmatically 1 year ago
@enigmatically
There are tons of successful pro gamers. Females not included.
;p psyche.
Hzqi 1 year ago
@enigmatically
To be honest, for a start I make no presumption, EVEN about the ones WITH an overtly female name. It could be an overweight guy named Buford living in a trailer behind a council tip somwhere. Number 2, nothing would make me more jolly than for women to start adopting nomenclature that doesn't inherently project their gender. I have this discussion often with women, about some of the things that rub guys wrong, and also hinders women's art. Always making gender an issue.
Hzqi 1 year ago
Being a girl, I tend to assume most people as girls before I actually see them, and I assume this would be the same for guys. NEVER ASSUME, it makes an ass out of u and me
Survivingthe8th 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing. I got online in 1995 and there weren't a lot of other girls online in most chat rooms. So I just never made any assumptions although back then the ratio of female to male was probably 1/20. Now that everything online is so mainstream the ratio is probably close to 50% which makes it even more silly to make assumptions.
enigmatically 1 year ago
sigh!....More crying.
TheFeralFury 1 year ago
want a belly rub?
enigmatically 1 year ago
Have feminists ever heard of the term "misandrist" ?
MarsionLove 1 year ago
Probably. I hate misandry as much as misogyny so I may or may not be considered a feminist depending on how the word is defined.
enigmatically 1 year ago
@enigmatically
Wow, get a real problem to whine about.
Hzqi 1 year ago
@Hzqi LMAO
enigmatically 1 year ago
Tbh with you, I think you make the same mistake, you seem to assume as "de facto" that only men are behind online misogyny. I will agree that men are mostly behind it, but I would also make abundantly clear that it also includes women.
magua73 2 years ago
Okay well I have not seen this.
enigmatically 2 years ago
You know I am tired of making a vaid argument in some debate just to have some ass hole say, "Oh yeah? Well....you're FAT!" I'll have likely males on my side and they never get that kind of personal insult. (I am NOT fat). I've never even considered the fact you of what you're objecting to. I think it's just part of all language - whenever we don't know the sex of something we revert to "he". I'm not saying it's right.
vivalaleta 2 years ago 2
Well it is not cool to be presumptive. I'm trying to improve the situation by bringing it to people's attention.
enigmatically 2 years ago
Yes, I thank you for making me think....
vivalaleta 2 years ago
You're welcome :)
enigmatically 2 years ago
unban Steve Pozniak
StevePozniak 2 years ago
If you were actually banned you'd have been unable to comment, LMAO.
enigmatically 2 years ago
I'd like to see an end to feminist inspired misandry, promoting hateful & bigotted lies that everything is always a man's fault.
Feminism - blaming men, even for women's own self made problems.
videodads 2 years ago
Perhaps you should make your own video about misandry if that is something that genuinely concerns you.
However it certainly doesn't seem like "man-hater" views are very popular. If you met women that treat you that way then you are associating with the wrong people.
If you watched this video and came off thinking that I was being hateful or bigoted then that is a reflection of you, not me.
I have nothing against men, I only have a problem with misogyny.
enigmatically 2 years ago
I refer not to people I know, but the feminist movement which systematically portrays men negatively & women as superior, or as victims.
videodads 2 years ago
Okay but I'm not part of that. I am all about equality, not about portraying one gender as better or worse than the other.
Last I checked men have never been denied the right to vote nor legally considered "property" of their wives. You worrying about misandry sounds a lot like a white person complaining about how victimized they are by racism, or a rich kid getting upset that their parents make them go out and get a job.
The only oppression men have that I can come up with is "the draft".
enigmatically 2 years ago
@enigmatically You checked wrong! Not all men were able to vote from the onset in the US. In fact, the right to vote is still conditional for men. If we don't sign up for selective service, we don't get to vote.
Nerotique 2 years ago
@videodads True that!
Nerotique 2 years ago
Selective service = the draft. Which is the point I already made.
enigmatically 2 years ago
Like I said, you don't have to sign-up. Your rights are simply guaranteed by the 19th amendment. Men are STILL given the right to vote on a conditional basis. It doesn't matter whether or not the draft is currently active.
Nerotique 2 years ago
What exactly is your point?
enigmatically 2 years ago
That men can still be denied the right to vote in this country. All a woman has to do is turn 18.
Nerotique 2 years ago
Men have never been denied the right to vote in this country. Selective service being mandatory for men doesn't have anything to do with the right to vote, you can't opt-out of it, doing so is a crime. And criminals are stripped of the right to vote irregardless of gender.
I agree that the draft is BS and could be considered the sole form of misandry in the US, but it has nothing to do with voting rights other than signing up to vote enrolls men in selective service as an administrative thing
enigmatically 2 years ago
I'm not sure where you learned history, but it's a fact that some men could not always vote in this country. When the US was first founded, only land-owners were allowed to vote. Later-on, other men were given the right to vote after being conscripted to fight. In fact, some women were able to vote in local elections BEFORE the 19th amendment was passed. In fact, it was in 1756. See Lydia Chapin for more information.
Nerotique 2 years ago
You're really grasping at straws. The things you mention have nothing to do with gender so trying to act like men have been gender-discriminated throughout American history is not working. The ONLY state-sponsored gender discrimination in American history for men is the draft.
enigmatically 2 years ago
So because your original argument "Men have never been denied the vote" is proven false you resort to claiming I'm grasping at straws? You are pretty much denying reality if you can't grasp the fact that in today's society men can be denied the right to vote if they do not VOLUNTARILY register for Selective Service at age 18; while women simply get a vote when they turn 18. Say I'm grasping at straws all you want, you've been disproven.
Nerotique 2 years ago
There is nothing voluntary about selective service, it is illegal for men not to register. This is the ONLY state-sponsored gender discrimination against men in the history of the U.S.
But you're trying to pretend like men are denied the right to vote by virtue of their gender which is not true. So you're grasping at straws.
enigmatically 2 years ago
Since you are not male, I don't expect you to know how Selective Service works. You are correct that it is illegal to not sign-up, but it is not something that automatically happens, as you're suggesting. Failure to sign-up will result in no voting rights, among other things. I don't know how to make it any clearer to you. You, yourself admit to SS being state-sponsored discrimination. How is it a stretch to see how this affects other areas of a man's life?
Nerotique 2 years ago
The SS is discrimination; the ramifications of violating the law are not. It's not hard for me to understand, the wiki page is quite thorough and I have brothers who have signed up for it, so pretending that I can't know how it works based on gender is rather presumptive and borderline sexist.
enigmatically 2 years ago
There are lots of situations where boys who become naturalized citizens are unaware of their obligation to sign-up, and thus do not do so. Some, out of fear, do not vote because they don't want to end up in jail.
Nerotique 2 years ago
This is an issue of lack of education not gender discrimination against males. Find a better argument than a strawman.
enigmatically 2 years ago
A couple people here on youtube have assumed that I was a man. I have never made assumptions about gender by someone's username. I just don't see what's so hard about saying "they" instead of "he"/"she".
bluepenguins2709 2 years ago 3
I don't either.
enigmatically 2 years ago
@bluepenguins2709 because "they" is plural 3rd person, whereas he or she is singular 3rd person. It's grammatically incorrect is why.
Nerotique 2 years ago
People can just use the word "one" if generic or the username of the individual rather than saying "he" automatically.
enigmatically 2 years ago
There is no grammatical problem with using one in place of he or she, as "one" can be used as third person singular. However, I do think you are blowing this way out of proportion. I have had women refer to me as "she" before. It goes both ways, but neither are misogynistic or misandric.
Nerotique 2 years ago
thank you for this video
there are so many rants about misandry out there on youtube, but nobody speaks out against misogyny, its just taken for granted and everybody tolerates it
but if any woman dares say something bad about men ...
Abashi76 2 years ago 2
glad you liked it :)
enigmatically 2 years ago
Enigmatically, who's to say that you're a woman? After all, you do submit yourself in a gender-neutral way, so are we to assume you have no gender, or that you have both?
Your outrage is ill-founded and infantile.
The truth is, you're not interested in knowing why men typically behave in this manner. Instead, you assume that this stems from some sort of bigoted and malicious behavior that is inherit in men and only men.
Andrewticus04 2 years ago
My profile says female, how hard is it to look there before making any assumptions whatsoever?
LMAO, greenelf12 is male, gogreen18 is female, neither of those nicknames imply a particular gender.
Why do you assume that gender-neutral = male?
Enlighten me, if you don't know someone's gender based on their nickname, why do you assume they are male?
I don't presume that if you don't have a "masculine" nickname that you must be female. But men do this all the time.
enigmatically 2 years ago
I did look there, and did indeed note that you are a female. In my comment, I was referring to your name directly (basing sex on name alone), you know, keeping my comment in context to your argument.
You are the one guilty of making the assumption in this respect. Furthermore, it shows me that you aren't actually interested in what I have to say on the matter. Let alone what any other man will have to say on the matter, because we are instantly discredited as chauvinists.
Projecting much?
Andrewticus04 2 years ago
well I know a married couple where the guy and girl are both named Jamie. it is strange that they have the same name.
You are being accusatory though. If you have something to say, say it.
If you're just going to call me names and pretend like I'm a man-hater (which I'm not, that is just your faulty perception of me) it isn't going to accomplish much of anything.
So explain to me why people assume the gender of the person they talk to online with no indication one way or the other?
enigmatically 2 years ago
My darling...you know why this happens? Becuase your mind creates patterns! That is it! But it is upsetting that you think that everthing that you see men differing with you is sexiest or bigoted. Disagreeing with women does not make us sexiest! Just that we are in disagreement! Ha...ha! That is it! Anf then we go to dinner! You must learn to differenciate between those two positions: differing or being in disagreement with you...or someone being sexist....
cjla1987 2 years ago
I don't have a mental pattern of assuming all people on YT are female unless they have a masculine nickname.
So why do you have the opposite pattern? Out of mental laziness?
enigmatically 2 years ago
neutral ratther
greenelf12 2 years ago
Personaly I see enigmatiaclly as quite a mutual name..
greenelf12 2 years ago
yep, in which case assumptions shouldn't be made.
your nickname is neutral, as is gogreen18, should the assumption be made that both of you are male without anything else to go on but the nickname?
enigmatically 2 years ago