To label the Baha'i as capitalist or socialist is an intellectual game, hard to do. It is simply different. To me , yes somewhat socialist but has little complaint about capitalism. I have been a Baha'i some 50 years and never have I been in a discussion with Baha'is as to this question.
Your comments are ok, but with half-truths. Not quite correct. It is a continuation of the development of religious scripture. If you were more familiar with the Baha'i literature, I think you would see this.
@Beulah502 the fact that religious scripture has to develop over time screams "man made myth". That process would be unnecessary if the god of said religion was real.
@kalin666 GThe best explaination is that the reveations are like a school with progressive reveation, procedingly more advanced , a fresh articuation of the Will of God, each time in a different age,.
@kalin666 Human acts ruin originally perfect concepts and religions, I'm sorry to have an answer to every piece of stupidity you own, but I cant help it :)
@shaztekk Ignorant? Humans suffer, the world is an imperfect and flawed place, so either your God is inept or evil. It's far more reasonable that he's NOT REAL.
Now, I was going to say something offensive to you Kallin, but, instead I will dare you to find a notable Baha'i in your area and ask all your questions/doubts about the religion and see what you come up with then respond to me, though really you should read a little more about the Baha'i faith before deeming it's views as wrong. There's your challenge,
Btw there's no point in arguing with people over YouTube as you can never be beaten there is no emotion in the discussion and thus no winner.
@shaztekk Did they go back and fix Judaism's problems? That's called "retcon" and it's due to CLUMSY WRITING, something that would never happen if god was real.
@kalin666 I'm sorry but that was a truly horrible reply, that didn't answer what I suggested you do, Baha'is do not "go back" and "fix" man made problems within religions, they bring an entire new religion with new concepts added to old ones. Goodluck
@Beulah502 and yet you add no further insights . . . . My main problem with bahai? It's a continuation of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Judaism is the root, the foundation. Yahweh, the god of the hebrews, is supposed to be THE GOD, the one and only. I was born and raised as a Jew and after much investigation and "soul searching" I have concluded that Yahweh isn't real, he's a myth. If the hebrew god isn't real, where does that leave bahai?
Atheism, as it is presented to me by most atheists, seems as dogmatic a religion as any theistic religion in the sense that it believes that if a God existed things would certainly be "this way" and since things aren't "this way" then God must not exist.
As an agnostic, I don't necessarily think "this way" is how it would be if there were a God. So the atheistic disproofs seem like a simple backlash to the more misguided concepts of God rather than a thoughtful pondering of possibilities.
@Norge0000 What kind of a god could you imagine existing with the world existing as it is? Are there any religions that approach this kind of god? What role would this god play in the workings of the universe?
@kalin666 I think when we start thinking in terms like "kind of a god" and "role" we're already confining ourselves to the sillier notions of gods (lowercase g) where they have basically human attributes. Those types of concepts don't seem very believable to me.
The uppercase G "God" (which is the only concept I consider) is a very different approach to the idea than the lowercase. While i wouldn't say that God = the universe, i think "kinds" is a term that doesn't apply to either concept.
Your statement that reality is without design and without creator and that religion clashes with science is not really true. I would suggest you study sacred geometry....it pretty much proves scientifically that everything is in existence because of design. Because it is based on an established point...that point is considered the "one" point from which all else is created from. Hence One God and religious implications. Check out Charles Gilchrist Sacred Geometry 101-A thru E
And among the teachings of Baha'u'll'ah is that religion must be in conformity with science and reason, so that it may influence the hearts of men. The foundation must be solid and must not consist of imitations. 'Abdu'l-Baha'a Whats your opinion on this statement?
This -------> {][} is the seal of truth so what BesACB wrote between those braccolades is TRUE in saecula saeculorum. Does the Quran have those brackets or the Bible? No! God said i could use those brackets if i promised him to think before i wrote i dont always do that but when i use those brackets i always count to ten and then think to ten and then deo volente i'm right. {][}Everything is as it should be or it wouldn't be{][}
So why should we believe a yiddish person Ive nothing against jews at least my neighbour was a jewess _) that's the female jew in case you didn't know that I helped her find her cat but you guys killed JesuS and horst Wessel that can't be right well you are better than mohammedans they kill holy cows and school buses I always say let god decide if he exists or not we have no say in the matter GOD BLESS YOU KALIN even though i said you were a yiddish person but then i have nothing against Jews :)
@BesACB the only account of jesus death is in the bible, hardly a reliable source. Still the state of Israel was a puppet government of the Romans at the time, blame them for judicial matters.
@kalin666 If you promise not to respond I will promise not to humiliate you in debate a flick here a jab there quick thrust and repartee hey presto another scalp scalpeled God loves the monotheist the gods love polytheists the warm pulsating universe loves the pantheist the cold blind universe loves the atheist :)
@BesACB i think she is still a jewess i meant she WAS my neighbour her cat ran away for good i think that's very sad even for a monotheist they have feelings too Kalin666 i dont know she was religious but she still has feelings so PLEASE DONT DISRESPECT HER remember you are jewish too ONE DAY YOU MAY LOSE A CAT TOO i dont wish that upon my enemy and your not even my enemy and cats are created by God only maybe the jungle tiger by the devil burling bright in the forests of the night like a endles
@BesACB ....as I was saying before I got cut off like a endless ring of scorching light although that is poetry so i dont know exactly what i'm saying WHICH does not mean that i'm wrong in everything else lol in matters of religion and the Vienna Opening I'm usually invariably right subhanallah {][}There's a colonel of truth in every religion but it's mostly rubbish*Everything is totally incomprehensible*Science in da final analysis is only describing not Xplaning*I smell of fish lol{][}
@wattsite "I say that you would not respect somebody who thinks everything can be explain(ed)" religious person who thinks the bible and the existence of a god is an adequate explanation for everything falls into this category as well. "or everything has come from nothing" this is physical question and given the instability of empty space seems an adequate if counter-intuitive explanation. As a scientific idea however, it is open to modification based on evidence.
@kalin666 I don't respect religion but I certainly don't disrespect and that is clearly what you are do here disrespecting people's beilefs
I was a baha'i for 15 years and then became a humanist and trust me if you want flaws I know lots of them in the baha'i faith yet I can comment on them because 15 years of studying is a lot of knowledge however you flick though it in probably less than 5 hours and are clearly biased for the word "GO"
@wattsite Bahai is an extension of Abrahamic monotheism. I am from a Jewish family. Judaism is the root of Abrahamic monotheism. If the root, the religion I am most familiar with, is flawed, then all other branches are also flawed. Bahai is a flawed religion based on a flawed religion that made stupid claims about the real world because it was made by bronze age nomads who didn't know any better. Now we know better, clinging to bronze age myth, however refreshed, is asinine.
OH and forgot....your video on your channel "How to get beer with a cat on your lap" that was really great material...so great to see you making video's helping people get beer with a cat on their lap.....hahahahhaa
You probably weren't asked about your opinion, because according to the way you speak with ignorance and arrogance against a religion which you know nothing about. You have no religion because you are simply insecure..well when you die I'm sure you will realize the truth. Goodluck with your prejudice and bias views.
After reading through some of the comments, I know that you got a general vibe from others, but I will add in my two cents. The vibe I got from your video is that you just researched the Baha'i Faith on wikipedia or something similar in just a few minutes. Labeling it as a load of crap so soon seems a bit unfair, seeing as about 6 million people adhere to it.
u shud have respect buddy if u dont believe in it or believe in something else thats fine, but when u talk about other things that u dont know shit about, u shud have some respect, cuz i am not dissing your athiest beliefs
@kalin666 u no wat nobody even wants ur respect. your a pathetic ignorant retard who needs a life rather than posting videos like this. ew and omg ur so ugly go do a nose job n ur going bald.ugh u cross eyed loser. lool omg ur lame
kalin666, You should actually form an educated opinion before you attempt to publicly express yourself. It is obvious that you know nothing about the subject you are discussing.
I was interested to come across your post. You can obviously read a web page, is that your best research? Are you holding yourself out as educated experts on things or just a dude who thinks most things he can't understand or research thoroughly is "crap"? Sorry just dont know who you think you are to have opinions to publish, as you say you read a book don't know the author & havent finished it yet. However you have an opinion on its merit, F- in my score book, go back to grade school.
We believe God created free will so that man could find God of their own volition and recognize him without him forcing the belief on us. Like say he lit the sky on fire and sent a huge dragon to tell us to believe. We'd believe. But there'd be no choice.
I'm just pointing out that our beliefs are consistent with reality. You can say if God existed he would not be like this, but that's your opinion, and it assumes God has a different purpose than what we believe.
Science admittedly cannot prove or disprove the existence of God.
Therefore the assertion that a belief in God and a belief in science are mutually exclusive is baseless.
Admittedly, if your particular vein of belief in God causes you to make falsifiable statements, then those statements can come under fire from the scientific community, and the validity or your beliefs might be cast in doubt. But, first you need one of those statements to work on!
find a religion that does not make falsifiable claims about a creator god. And if you make up your own unfalsifiable god just so you can protect him from critique . . . . first off, what kind of a god is that? second, it's bs you made up. A real god would be real, present, detectable, communicative, verifiable. Anything short of that is imaginary, period.
I think of it as analogous to an author of a book.
A story should be internally consistent. It needs to flow, it needs to appear to have no author. Poor authors utilize the deus ex machina when they come up against a wall in their plot. This is like a creationist trying to recreate the story of creation. Going back in time everything's normal until magically there was nothing but God.
But in a way, if God is a perfect "author", then we should see no direct evidence of his hand in his work.
What I mean by the book/author comment is that the universe shouldn't appear to be designed. It should not have sudden inexplicable alterations with no natural cause (deus ex machina). We believe natural law to be essentially an expression of God's will. If he "designed" it correctly there would be no need to change or correct anything later.
Your book's argument is suitable against the doctrine of Intelligent Design. Which is not what we believe and is inherently logically flawed and false.
I think you do a pretty good job. You're a bit rude maybe ;) but honest, and not distorting anything.
About the science, Baha'is do not believe in Intelligent Design as it is proposed by.. I guess young Earth creationists. We believe in evolution, an ancient universe, etc.
I definitely think there is a unity to it all though, that is undeniably objective. You can learn something in one field and apply it to a range of other fields. The universe has beautiful order and consistency to it.
Changing the way in which people think isn't trivial. Removing excuses like "God must be punishing them" and "The lord works in mysterious ways" will force people to realize that the world will not change without action. The sooner we all realize that it's just us humans down here and we have to do EVERYTHING ourselves, the better.
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are you just dumb (-Questioning Islam publicly is an arrestable offense ) this is wrong.The Bahai is sattanic pegan religion and its NEW WORLD ORDER so fuck you all
by quoting the book of a different religion . . . . . would quoting from a hindu book be just as valid, or are you assuming that YOUR religion is the right one?
I'm seeing so much anger. I don't think you understand this person does not believe in your scripture because he does not believe in god.. your efforts are wasted. Try another approach like intelligent design. you will have to prove it to him through science.. and there is a way... Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. They have to coexist. And I can explain it.
Get over it people :D. Religion is fuckin' done. ITS OVER. We're finding more and more religious slime under every unturned stone. Take your imaginary friends and FUCK OFF so we can be humans for once. Then maybe we can talk about connecting ourselves with the true nature of the universe with reason. Then maybe we can talk about peace and truth. Until then. I'll just be telling all you religious people to fuck off. Enjoy.
whoa whoa, don't spread lies about archeology. There is NO archeological evidence to support the Exodus story, NONE. (don't even mention genesis) All 3 abrahamic religions are false, the pillars upon which they are constructed crumble away under fair skepticism.
Wow, sounds like a huge waste of time to try and understand some man-made religious BS that's not helpful, not true, and requires complete dissociation from the objectively verifiable workings of the real world. Good luck wasting your time, I hope you don't have to make any decisions that effect the lives of other people.
Attributing intellect and intuition to male and female aspects is both sexist AND total bullshit. You also admitted (by calling it intuition) to believing in something without sufficient evidence. You can believe in fairy tales if you want to, but I'm gonna build my understanding of the world solely on objectively verified facts. Superstition and faith are NOT virtues.
wow, then you just don't understand what the evidence is telling you, or more likely you're choosing to ignore the obvious conclusion to conform to a belief you hold dear.
God His one, His Messengers reveal His plan and teachings... progressively (unity of religions) to humanity.
Relativity of religious teachings :
The fundamental teachings (about morality, spirituality, acquisition of virtues,etc.) of any given Revelation remains the same but EXPANDS with each new one, relatively to the new capacities and needs of the peoples for which they are revealed.
Although we don't have to "prove" what is self-evident, may I suggest that nothing happens without an environment, that it is inconceivable any event transpires by itself as if the context appeared simultaneously. It is really a matter of QUALITY of debate, and I fail to see the quality in denying pre-existing phenomena over the known since no one could know intellectually anyway. Further, every moment leads to a new discovery. Is there an end to that? Shall we close the door on potential?
elimination of poverty and wealth may be brought about when people williningly give to the poor. This willingness may come from the feeling that it's unjust for one person to live in such riches while another lives without the basic needs of shelter, food and water. I don't think it will come about by forcing the rich to give to the poor
hahahahahah ur such a dumb cunt first if u were smart u would cut that damn goaty off...
i listen to all of this and i can say that reading ten lines about a religen and then dissing it isnt fair...dont make videos anymore wen u dont no everything about the religen
Jesus Christ is COMING SOON and Baha'is must REPENT of their blasphemy and false teachings.
The reason we can be very sure that Jesus hasn't come yet is that biblical prophecies are unfolding before our eyes. The things that Jesus predicted would happen are happening now, but there are still more things to come. So Jesus couldn't be here yet, according to the Bible. Plus it says when He comes every eye will see Him returning to the Earth the way He left it - Acts 1:9-12
Leaving aside the issue of comparative between the Bahai faith and the various forms of Christianity (richbee, get over it), let us call this video what it is:
a know-it-all atheist's knee-jerk reaction to a summary of the Bahai faith he read off of wikipedia. *yawn*
I was specifically asked to give my opinions about Bahai, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered. It seems a fairly harmless religion (if a bit silly) and I'd much rather spend my time smacking down young earth creationists who think the US should be a theocracy. The website I consulted was the official Bahai page, not wikipedia.
Fair enough; I agree your time would be much better spent putting the creationism/intelligent design crowd in their place. I spend a certain amount of my time doing the same; though I do follow a particular religion (which one is unimportant), I certainly do not share their views. I agree that the BF is "harmless", and certainly less menacing than some other, more aggressive faiths out there. Luckily, both of our opinions are also pretty harmless. No big deal.
"Assurance to women of full equality of opportunity with men" Except, of course, when it comes to the Bahai leadership - then only those who are able to sprout a beard may apply. Which is only fitting, because what would a prophet be with out his beard?
In the Kitáb-i-Aqdas "the Most Holy Book™ Pat. Pend.", (holier than all other holy books) Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the religion states: "both the Head and the members of the House of Justice are men."
The Bible is the word of God and, therefore, my Holy Book too. The Bible does not contain the word incarnation. It is using the Bible that one can tell a real Prophet from a false Prophet. Jesus said despise not prophesying but test all things. He also gave the test by which you can tell whether Baha'u'llah is a false Prophet or not. He said you will know them by their fruits.
Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. 2 Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
Jesus' name was not in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Baha'u'llah's, however, is in the old and new testament 40 times. One instance is Isaiah 35:1, which also talks about where He will go. Another instance is when Jesus said He would return in the "Glory of the Father." But don't forget that when Jesus comes he is to have a new name (Isa 62:2) (Rev 2:17) (Rev 3:12).
Jesus claimed to be the only access to God, His Father (John 14:6--7). He claimed to be able to forgive sins (Matt. 9:2--7). He claimed to be the judge of all mankind and to dishonor Him was to dishonor God His Father (John 5:22--23). He claimed to have had glory with His Father before the world began (John 17:5).
A light of revelation to the Gentiles, And the GLORY of Thy people Israel" - Luke 2:32 - quoting Isaiah 42:6
See John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His GLORY, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Unlike the god - the allah of Islam, the God of the Bible reached out to us by sending his Son Jesus to earth to die for our sins. Muhammad like Baha'u'llah offered no sure hope for salvation, only guidelines for working oneself into Allah's favor. Christ provided all that is needed to get us to heaven in his death, 'For Christ also died once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that he might bring us to God' ( 1 Peter 3:18 ).
that whole "send his only son" thing is totally absurd. The only way that it's a large sacrifice for god is if he's tiny and powerless, as deities go anyway. That's not the all powerful Yahwei the Jew's were worshiping, that's more like tiny Yahwei in a bottle.
I'll only be aware of the living part, after that my system shuts off and my body turns back into its basic components thru natural processes, but thanks anyway! At least the dust to dust part is right . . . .
In Deuteronomy 18:15--19 , Moses predicted that God would raise up a Jewish Prophet with a special message. Anyone who did not believe this prophet would be judged by God. This passage has been traditionally interpreted as referring to Messiah. Genesis 3:15 is also understood by many to refer to Jesus as the seed of the woman who would crush the head of the serpent.
It sounds like you didn't find much wrong with this religion. It even sounded like you agreed on some level that "true" religion should never contradict "true" science. Your final comment didn't seem to flow with the rest of what you were saying. Would I be right in saying that of all the theistic religions you've heard of, this one sounds among the most reasonable?
Muhammed was a false prophet from allah the god, and he did not know Jesus and in fact he owned no Bible in Arabic, because none existed. Muhammed never knew of God's saving grace, mercy and message of salvation through Jesus and this is a simple fact illustrating that he was not a "progressive revelation" as Baha'i teaches. Christian view of salvation is very different from Islam (See Romans 3:20) Christ pays the price that all deserve, dying as an innocent sacrifice for a guilty humanity.
All the Messengers of God promise salvation and all have sacrifice themselves for a guilty humanity. While He was imprisoned, Baha'u'llah wrote:
"The Ancient Beauty hath consented to be bound with chains that mankind may be released from its bondage, and hath accepted to be made a prisoner within this most mighty Stronghold that the whole world may attain unto true liberty.
No, I find the fundamentalist Jews the most reasonable. They have their old book and they're sticking to it, no changes, god got it right the first time!
Bahai seems like a desperate attempt to make the abrahamic god more reasonable when He's clearly not. He's a mighty and frightful bronze age deity and he should stay that way, don't change him over time, that only makes him angry and you know what he does when he's angry!
Budhists regard Christ as another Buddha. They are not incorporating anything, but recognizing truth as they understand it and respecting the source they found it in. In this case, Christianity.
We translate words from one language to another everyday by computer. Are you saying truth cannot be translated from one time to another? From one culture to another? From one mind to another?
Actually, it is not clear at all, but rather a hint for further study. Jesus also said those who can see and hear will hear and see. Those who can't will not see or hear.
oh boy, do me a favor and lookup sarcasm, it should be under types of humor or comedy. I'm going to guess you score pretty high on an autism test. that's ok, nobody's perfect, we all excel at some things and find ourselves lacking in others.
it's pretty easy and quite liberating to be totally honest. I'd feel a lot worse if I was dishonestly nice. No smoke and mirrors here, this is how I really feel.
Everyone is free to learn and read Acts 17 by which the living Christ crucified under Pontius Pilate and risen from the dead three days later can be known. The tomb is empty, and to this day, in Athens Greece, there is a street named: Dionysius in honor of his faith in Jesus the Christ, literally raised in the body from the dead.
Anyone and everyone is invited to learn the truth in Acts 17:32 When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some of them sneered, but others said, "We want to hear you again on this subject." 33At that, Paul left the Council. 34 A few men became followers of Paul and believed. Among them was Dionysius, a member of the Areopagus, also a woman named Damaris, and a number of others.
This intuition about scientific discovery leaning toward the lack of a creator is very speculative. Unless we adopt literal interpretations of Holy scripture (not the Bahai way), there is no reason to assume that God operates like a human builder. It also seems habit to ignore the social sciences. Of course the physical sciences don't see any God evidence. He (it) is a spiritual being. Assuming his existence, only interaction with consciousness would be noticeable.
everytime i see a person who is challenged so much like this to see the truth i thank god that i wasn't that way and was able to recognize the manifestation for today; Baha'u'llah.
As a Baha'i, I'm not the least bit offended by "Baha'i This." Kalin666 seems to be clever, intelligent and funny. People of faith cannot prove that God exists, we only have faith that God exists. Atheists always raise very good points and let's face it, what's the worst thing an atheist will do to a Baha'i- disagree with them.
man that's . . . way off. I think most atheists are concerned with the actions of people that claim to believe, and use their religion to justify their nasty behavior.
well going back on what you said that relgion and science cant exist, at times during human history science was a big part of religion. Especially during the times of Mohammad, Muslims came up with so many scientific discoveries. Yes, some scientific theories, contradict religion, but that doesn't mean they cannot coexist.
any inconsistency or contradiction shows they cannot. If any religion were true, it would be perfect. any religion with a single claim that turns out to be false is totally false. there is not a single religion on the planet that can claim that, not a one. and a religion shouldn't be developed over time, it should be divinely brought about, perfect from creation, totally true. there has been and will not be a religion that is totally true, because there is nothing to be religious about.
see the way you see religion, you think that religion from the start should be perfect, but that is if the religion is created by a divine being, but all religions are created by humans, their laws, their traditions all different, depending on one's interpretation, all humans are inclined to mistakes.
See thats not true you shouldnt have to be convinced into believeing in God, thats why you have free will, religion is a man made entity, that was created in order to warship God. See God isnt some person, or a designer who watches people everyday from his thrown in heaven, you cant see him or hear him. God is like the sun in which you know its there but if you look at him your eyes cannot handle him.
You are obviously an intelligent guy and have taken the time to create this..so how is it...you cover some of the main points of the faith, agree with the majority of the principles and then conclude that its crap?
Universal education, elimination of prejudice, equality of sexes, etc...
Youre either bored and looking to rebel or just looking for attention.
Either way bro...at least dislike something for an educated reason. Not because "Its Crap" is the easy way out.
Yes, I can clearly agree with some points of the faith, but if I disagree with one point then I disagree with the whole religion as being false. A religion can't be "mostly true". A true religion would have everything down 100%, no errors, whatever supernatural being inspired the faith would be powerful enough to insist they get it right.
You are so ignorant.. May allah have mercy on your soul. What you speak is hurting your spirit in the afterlife. May Baha`u`allahs tears for your spirit be a blessing to your eternal blindness and deafness I am a believer in ALL RELGIONS. I AM A BAHAI.
So Kalin, why do you need to be so obnoxious about other people's religion? Do you really need to say "I think it's a bunch of crap", especially if you're obviously just reading the first thing about it on-screen? I am not a particularly religious person myself, but I generally refrain from attacking others' religion. It's probably a good thing to point out when a religion is intolerant and tramples on human rights, but this kind of fortuitous "sounds like a buch of crap", what good does it do?
Quite frankly I don't care what good it does. I'm only interested in if it's true or not. If it's not true, then it does not deserve any respect, period.
Bahai is based on a line of abrahamic religions, the oldest of which being judaism, the religion of my family. The claims in the Torah, the text supposedly dictated by GOD himself, is so blatantly absurd as to be considered just another man-made mythological account that seemed sensical during the bronze age. Hopefully now at least some of us know better than to take an ancient text like that at face value and hold to it's truthfulness.
So Kalin, you should really bone up a bit on the facts as well. Bahai - and I am not a Bahai, nor do I seek to defend Bahai'ism - is NOT BASED ON or descended from "a line of Abrahamic religions." Bahai recognizes the Buddha, Zoroaster and Krishna alongside Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and, yes, Abraham as prophets who basically said similar things. (cont)
"Bahai recognizes the Buddha, Zoroaster and Krishna alongside Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and, yes, Abraham as prophets who basically said similar things" This is the problem, they did not say similar things. Even if they have a few things in common, many of the practices of the religions based on these people are profoundly different. If Bahai's faith is true, they should be nearly identical, Yahwei being perfect and all should get it right the first time.
BTW, I really don't see why you need to bring the Torah into this - if you have a rebellion problem with your family's religion why do you need to post all kinds of insulting comments on other religions as well? Interesting by the way that you should capitalize the word "GOD", ever thought about why you did this? Godspeed to you.
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OneWorldBore 18 hours ago
so this is about a guy that reads wikipedia -.- , wasted minutes i'll never get back.
BANITAE 7 months ago
How is it that you're still single?
BLame54 8 months ago
@BLame54 I'm not, I married my high school sweet-heart, we've been together since '96
kalin666 8 months ago
@kalin666 How about you read bahai scribstures instead of wikipedia than make a video?
icecrandor 4 months ago
@icecrandor that was from the official Bahai website, not wiki
kalin666 2 months ago
To label the Baha'i as capitalist or socialist is an intellectual game, hard to do. It is simply different. To me , yes somewhat socialist but has little complaint about capitalism. I have been a Baha'i some 50 years and never have I been in a discussion with Baha'is as to this question.
Beulah502 11 months ago
Your comments are ok, but with half-truths. Not quite correct. It is a continuation of the development of religious scripture. If you were more familiar with the Baha'i literature, I think you would see this.
Beulah502 11 months ago
@Beulah502 the fact that religious scripture has to develop over time screams "man made myth". That process would be unnecessary if the god of said religion was real.
kalin666 11 months ago
@kalin666 GThe best explaination is that the reveations are like a school with progressive reveation, procedingly more advanced , a fresh articuation of the Will of God, each time in a different age,.
Beulah502 11 months ago
@Beulah502 A god couldn't get it right the first time? PREPOSTEROUS!!!
kalin666 10 months ago
@kalin666 Human acts ruin originally perfect concepts and religions, I'm sorry to have an answer to every piece of stupidity you own, but I cant help it :)
shaztekk 9 months ago
@shaztekk a perfect god made imperfect humans to languish and suffer under his watchful eye . . . . how nice. BULL SHIT
kalin666 9 months ago
@kalin666 The ignorance held buy you is at a standard I've never seen!
shaztekk 9 months ago
@shaztekk Ignorant? Humans suffer, the world is an imperfect and flawed place, so either your God is inept or evil. It's far more reasonable that he's NOT REAL.
kalin666 9 months ago
@kalin666 I apologize, next time I'll remember not to argue with someone who has a low IQ
shaztekk 9 months ago
@shaztekk Ad Hominem attacks will get you nowhere. If you have to rely on logical fallacies to make your point, then you have none.
kalin666 9 months ago
@kalin666 I'm so not going to argue on youtube, if you ever come to Australia, inbox me.
shaztekk 9 months ago
Now, I was going to say something offensive to you Kallin, but, instead I will dare you to find a notable Baha'i in your area and ask all your questions/doubts about the religion and see what you come up with then respond to me, though really you should read a little more about the Baha'i faith before deeming it's views as wrong. There's your challenge,
Btw there's no point in arguing with people over YouTube as you can never be beaten there is no emotion in the discussion and thus no winner.
shaztekk 11 months ago 2
@shaztekk Did they go back and fix Judaism's problems? That's called "retcon" and it's due to CLUMSY WRITING, something that would never happen if god was real.
kalin666 11 months ago
@kalin666 I'm sorry but that was a truly horrible reply, that didn't answer what I suggested you do, Baha'is do not "go back" and "fix" man made problems within religions, they bring an entire new religion with new concepts added to old ones. Goodluck
shaztekk 9 months ago
You need to investiage more. A lot of misunderstanding
Beulah502 11 months ago
@Beulah502 and yet you add no further insights . . . . My main problem with bahai? It's a continuation of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Judaism is the root, the foundation. Yahweh, the god of the hebrews, is supposed to be THE GOD, the one and only. I was born and raised as a Jew and after much investigation and "soul searching" I have concluded that Yahweh isn't real, he's a myth. If the hebrew god isn't real, where does that leave bahai?
kalin666 11 months ago
Atheism, as it is presented to me by most atheists, seems as dogmatic a religion as any theistic religion in the sense that it believes that if a God existed things would certainly be "this way" and since things aren't "this way" then God must not exist.
As an agnostic, I don't necessarily think "this way" is how it would be if there were a God. So the atheistic disproofs seem like a simple backlash to the more misguided concepts of God rather than a thoughtful pondering of possibilities.
Norge0000 1 year ago
@Norge0000 What kind of a god could you imagine existing with the world existing as it is? Are there any religions that approach this kind of god? What role would this god play in the workings of the universe?
kalin666 1 year ago
@kalin666 I think when we start thinking in terms like "kind of a god" and "role" we're already confining ourselves to the sillier notions of gods (lowercase g) where they have basically human attributes. Those types of concepts don't seem very believable to me.
The uppercase G "God" (which is the only concept I consider) is a very different approach to the idea than the lowercase. While i wouldn't say that God = the universe, i think "kinds" is a term that doesn't apply to either concept.
Norge0000 1 year ago
@Norge0000 you're not making any sense
kalin666 1 year ago
Kalin I am YOUR FATHER come over to the Light Side LOL jrandall1968(I am a STAR WARS Fan)
jrandall1968 1 year ago
Your statement that reality is without design and without creator and that religion clashes with science is not really true. I would suggest you study sacred geometry....it pretty much proves scientifically that everything is in existence because of design. Because it is based on an established point...that point is considered the "one" point from which all else is created from. Hence One God and religious implications. Check out Charles Gilchrist Sacred Geometry 101-A thru E
tnworks 1 year ago
And among the teachings of Baha'u'll'ah is that religion must be in conformity with science and reason, so that it may influence the hearts of men. The foundation must be solid and must not consist of imitations. 'Abdu'l-Baha'a Whats your opinion on this statement?
jrandall1968 1 year ago
This -------> {][} is the seal of truth so what BesACB wrote between those braccolades is TRUE in saecula saeculorum. Does the Quran have those brackets or the Bible? No! God said i could use those brackets if i promised him to think before i wrote i dont always do that but when i use those brackets i always count to ten and then think to ten and then deo volente i'm right. {][}Everything is as it should be or it wouldn't be{][}
BesACB 1 year ago 2
So why should we believe a yiddish person Ive nothing against jews at least my neighbour was a jewess _) that's the female jew in case you didn't know that I helped her find her cat but you guys killed JesuS and horst Wessel that can't be right well you are better than mohammedans they kill holy cows and school buses I always say let god decide if he exists or not we have no say in the matter GOD BLESS YOU KALIN even though i said you were a yiddish person but then i have nothing against Jews :)
BesACB 1 year ago 2
@BesACB the only account of jesus death is in the bible, hardly a reliable source. Still the state of Israel was a puppet government of the Romans at the time, blame them for judicial matters.
kalin666 1 year ago 3
@kalin666 If you promise not to respond I will promise not to humiliate you in debate a flick here a jab there quick thrust and repartee hey presto another scalp scalpeled God loves the monotheist the gods love polytheists the warm pulsating universe loves the pantheist the cold blind universe loves the atheist :)
BesACB 1 year ago 3
@BesACB i think she is still a jewess i meant she WAS my neighbour her cat ran away for good i think that's very sad even for a monotheist they have feelings too Kalin666 i dont know she was religious but she still has feelings so PLEASE DONT DISRESPECT HER remember you are jewish too ONE DAY YOU MAY LOSE A CAT TOO i dont wish that upon my enemy and your not even my enemy and cats are created by God only maybe the jungle tiger by the devil burling bright in the forests of the night like a endles
BesACB 1 year ago 2
@BesACB ....as I was saying before I got cut off like a endless ring of scorching light although that is poetry so i dont know exactly what i'm saying WHICH does not mean that i'm wrong in everything else lol in matters of religion and the Vienna Opening I'm usually invariably right subhanallah {][}There's a colonel of truth in every religion but it's mostly rubbish*Everything is totally incomprehensible*Science in da final analysis is only describing not Xplaning*I smell of fish lol{][}
BesACB 1 year ago 2
lol
WhiteElvenDragon 1 year ago
I don't think you know enough to be a good commentator on it. Even though I am a humanist this is disgusting
You say "respect is earned, you wouldn't respect a 30 year old who believed fairies lived in his garden "
I say that you would not respect somebody who thinks everyhing can be explain or everything has come from nothing.
Verily Respect is granted to those who Respect.
wattsite 1 year ago
@wattsite "I say that you would not respect somebody who thinks everything can be explain(ed)" religious person who thinks the bible and the existence of a god is an adequate explanation for everything falls into this category as well. "or everything has come from nothing" this is physical question and given the instability of empty space seems an adequate if counter-intuitive explanation. As a scientific idea however, it is open to modification based on evidence.
kalin666 1 year ago
@kalin666 I don't respect religion but I certainly don't disrespect and that is clearly what you are do here disrespecting people's beilefs
I was a baha'i for 15 years and then became a humanist and trust me if you want flaws I know lots of them in the baha'i faith yet I can comment on them because 15 years of studying is a lot of knowledge however you flick though it in probably less than 5 hours and are clearly biased for the word "GO"
wattsite 1 year ago
@wattsite Bahai is an extension of Abrahamic monotheism. I am from a Jewish family. Judaism is the root of Abrahamic monotheism. If the root, the religion I am most familiar with, is flawed, then all other branches are also flawed. Bahai is a flawed religion based on a flawed religion that made stupid claims about the real world because it was made by bronze age nomads who didn't know any better. Now we know better, clinging to bronze age myth, however refreshed, is asinine.
kalin666 1 year ago
awesome video. well done :)
badem 1 year ago
very poor, biased analysis. think you know this already.
finnique 1 year ago
A deeper analysis would have been more appropriate.
thepathlesspath 1 year ago
OH and forgot....your video on your channel "How to get beer with a cat on your lap" that was really great material...so great to see you making video's helping people get beer with a cat on their lap.....hahahahhaa
MASH2222 1 year ago
You probably weren't asked about your opinion, because according to the way you speak with ignorance and arrogance against a religion which you know nothing about. You have no religion because you are simply insecure..well when you die I'm sure you will realize the truth. Goodluck with your prejudice and bias views.
MASH2222 1 year ago
After reading through some of the comments, I know that you got a general vibe from others, but I will add in my two cents. The vibe I got from your video is that you just researched the Baha'i Faith on wikipedia or something similar in just a few minutes. Labeling it as a load of crap so soon seems a bit unfair, seeing as about 6 million people adhere to it.
So, food for thought.
samjosrob 2 years ago
Wow what a dumb video so far you have made a fool of yourself to at least 7,000 people.
MistahDjAj 2 years ago
thanks for the constructive criticism, I'll use your helpful suggestions to make better videos in the future
kalin666 2 years ago
sounds like you are researching this at the same time you are creating a video. I can look it up in wikipedia too.
upgrade01a 2 years ago
u shud have respect buddy if u dont believe in it or believe in something else thats fine, but when u talk about other things that u dont know shit about, u shud have some respect, cuz i am not dissing your athiest beliefs
persiangodfather 2 years ago
respect is earned, you wouldn't respect a 30 year old who believed fairies lived in his garden
kalin666 2 years ago 2
@kalin666 u no wat nobody even wants ur respect. your a pathetic ignorant retard who needs a life rather than posting videos like this. ew and omg ur so ugly go do a nose job n ur going bald.ugh u cross eyed loser. lool omg ur lame
amazingandcool 2 years ago
troll, crawl back under your bridge
kalin666 2 years ago
i just re-read my comment and ouch.,,thats gotta hurt. U definitely need a life though...for real lmao
amazingandcool 2 years ago
kalin666, You should actually form an educated opinion before you attempt to publicly express yourself. It is obvious that you know nothing about the subject you are discussing.
aWorldCitizen9 2 years ago
I was interested to come across your post. You can obviously read a web page, is that your best research? Are you holding yourself out as educated experts on things or just a dude who thinks most things he can't understand or research thoroughly is "crap"? Sorry just dont know who you think you are to have opinions to publish, as you say you read a book don't know the author & havent finished it yet. However you have an opinion on its merit, F- in my score book, go back to grade school.
elfynwilliams 2 years ago
We believe God created free will so that man could find God of their own volition and recognize him without him forcing the belief on us. Like say he lit the sky on fire and sent a huge dragon to tell us to believe. We'd believe. But there'd be no choice.
I'm just pointing out that our beliefs are consistent with reality. You can say if God existed he would not be like this, but that's your opinion, and it assumes God has a different purpose than what we believe.
Abnormalized 2 years ago
Science admittedly cannot prove or disprove the existence of God.
Therefore the assertion that a belief in God and a belief in science are mutually exclusive is baseless.
Admittedly, if your particular vein of belief in God causes you to make falsifiable statements, then those statements can come under fire from the scientific community, and the validity or your beliefs might be cast in doubt. But, first you need one of those statements to work on!
Abnormalized 2 years ago
find a religion that does not make falsifiable claims about a creator god. And if you make up your own unfalsifiable god just so you can protect him from critique . . . . first off, what kind of a god is that? second, it's bs you made up. A real god would be real, present, detectable, communicative, verifiable. Anything short of that is imaginary, period.
kalin666 2 years ago
I think the deus ex machina in our Baha'i philosophy is the idea that at some point in time... our species acquired souls.
We believe animals don't have them. But we do. At some point in the evolution of our species we went from animal to human.
Again, though, this magic wand is invisible. It cannot be proven or disproven scientifically.
Abnormalized 2 years ago
I think of it as analogous to an author of a book.
A story should be internally consistent. It needs to flow, it needs to appear to have no author. Poor authors utilize the deus ex machina when they come up against a wall in their plot. This is like a creationist trying to recreate the story of creation. Going back in time everything's normal until magically there was nothing but God.
But in a way, if God is a perfect "author", then we should see no direct evidence of his hand in his work.
Abnormalized 2 years ago
What I mean by the book/author comment is that the universe shouldn't appear to be designed. It should not have sudden inexplicable alterations with no natural cause (deus ex machina). We believe natural law to be essentially an expression of God's will. If he "designed" it correctly there would be no need to change or correct anything later.
Your book's argument is suitable against the doctrine of Intelligent Design. Which is not what we believe and is inherently logically flawed and false.
Abnormalized 2 years ago
I think you do a pretty good job. You're a bit rude maybe ;) but honest, and not distorting anything.
About the science, Baha'is do not believe in Intelligent Design as it is proposed by.. I guess young Earth creationists. We believe in evolution, an ancient universe, etc.
I definitely think there is a unity to it all though, that is undeniably objective. You can learn something in one field and apply it to a range of other fields. The universe has beautiful order and consistency to it.
Abnormalized 2 years ago
Could anyone think of stopping this arguments about religion and start thingking of the famine in africa and the force labor in Burma?
Move on u guys.
Think of a nice recipe for dinner tonight and the world is a better place.
lindle8 2 years ago
Changing the way in which people think isn't trivial. Removing excuses like "God must be punishing them" and "The lord works in mysterious ways" will force people to realize that the world will not change without action. The sooner we all realize that it's just us humans down here and we have to do EVERYTHING ourselves, the better.
kalin666 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
are you just dumb (-Questioning Islam publicly is an arrestable offense ) this is wrong.The Bahai is sattanic pegan religion and its NEW WORLD ORDER so fuck you all
AMIRsarkari 2 years ago
by quoting the book of a different religion . . . . . would quoting from a hindu book be just as valid, or are you assuming that YOUR religion is the right one?
kalin666 2 years ago
I'm seeing so much anger. I don't think you understand this person does not believe in your scripture because he does not believe in god.. your efforts are wasted. Try another approach like intelligent design. you will have to prove it to him through science.. and there is a way... Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. They have to coexist. And I can explain it.
x10shalist 2 years ago
Get over it people :D. Religion is fuckin' done. ITS OVER. We're finding more and more religious slime under every unturned stone. Take your imaginary friends and FUCK OFF so we can be humans for once. Then maybe we can talk about connecting ourselves with the true nature of the universe with reason. Then maybe we can talk about peace and truth. Until then. I'll just be telling all you religious people to fuck off. Enjoy.
joob44 2 years ago
whoa whoa, don't spread lies about archeology. There is NO archeological evidence to support the Exodus story, NONE. (don't even mention genesis) All 3 abrahamic religions are false, the pillars upon which they are constructed crumble away under fair skepticism.
kalin666 2 years ago
well it didn't destroy either religion, there are still practitioners of both christianity and judaism.
kalin666 2 years ago
In claiming that Muhammad had demonic cravings are you assuming that demons are real?
kalin666 2 years ago
Jesus is Dead! I hope you are mature enough to understand that. And the Jesus you worship is Just a Combination of Myth.
javedmahmood 2 years ago
Wow, sounds like a huge waste of time to try and understand some man-made religious BS that's not helpful, not true, and requires complete dissociation from the objectively verifiable workings of the real world. Good luck wasting your time, I hope you don't have to make any decisions that effect the lives of other people.
kalin666 2 years ago
Attributing intellect and intuition to male and female aspects is both sexist AND total bullshit. You also admitted (by calling it intuition) to believing in something without sufficient evidence. You can believe in fairy tales if you want to, but I'm gonna build my understanding of the world solely on objectively verified facts. Superstition and faith are NOT virtues.
kalin666 2 years ago
wow, then you just don't understand what the evidence is telling you, or more likely you're choosing to ignore the obvious conclusion to conform to a belief you hold dear.
kalin666 2 years ago
you sound like a bunch of crap .... read about the faith before u comment ..
mateenpiano123 2 years ago
"Unity of religion" :
God His one, His Messengers reveal His plan and teachings... progressively (unity of religions) to humanity.
Relativity of religious teachings :
The fundamental teachings (about morality, spirituality, acquisition of virtues,etc.) of any given Revelation remains the same but EXPANDS with each new one, relatively to the new capacities and needs of the peoples for which they are revealed.
Unity between Science and Religion :
Watch "The Collapse of Atheism"
CandlesOfUnity 2 years ago
Not a "conglomeration".
An INDEPENDANT - NEW - Revelation with its OWN BOOKS, its OWN PROPHET, its OWN TEACHINGS and PRINCIPLES... !!!
Get informed before spreading untruths over the web the way you do.
CandlesOfUnity 2 years ago
At least you finally used your own words to describe your thoughts. Good Job :)
UDRF 3 years ago
Although we don't have to "prove" what is self-evident, may I suggest that nothing happens without an environment, that it is inconceivable any event transpires by itself as if the context appeared simultaneously. It is really a matter of QUALITY of debate, and I fail to see the quality in denying pre-existing phenomena over the known since no one could know intellectually anyway. Further, every moment leads to a new discovery. Is there an end to that? Shall we close the door on potential?
savingbeauty 3 years ago
"Is there an end to that? Shall we close the door on potential?"
no
kalin666 3 years ago
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deagsslook 3 years ago
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deagsslook 3 years ago
Your comments might be more interesting if you researched the religion before trying to analyze it. Good try though.
UDRF 3 years ago
elimination of poverty and wealth may be brought about when people williningly give to the poor. This willingness may come from the feeling that it's unjust for one person to live in such riches while another lives without the basic needs of shelter, food and water. I don't think it will come about by forcing the rich to give to the poor
kadi5345 3 years ago
I am a bahai:)
kusztar 3 years ago
Jesus was called "Rabbai" and it means teacher. What else do you think a messanger of God would be? Whatever other profession he might have?
Asiablue 3 years ago
you pronounced Baha'u'llah just fine. very well actually.
Keallei 3 years ago
Science can not prove their is no design. What on earth are you talking about?
Mrgyn 3 years ago 2
"Science can not prove their is no design. What on earth are you talking about? "
i will quote you on that. well said.
Keallei 3 years ago
hahahahahah ur such a dumb cunt first if u were smart u would cut that damn goaty off...
i listen to all of this and i can say that reading ten lines about a religen and then dissing it isnt fair...dont make videos anymore wen u dont no everything about the religen
OMFGWTFCUNT 3 years ago
OMGWTFCUNT:
You have no right to assert your opinion of intelligence. Look at your method of typing.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
Jesus Christ is COMING SOON and Baha'is must REPENT of their blasphemy and false teachings.
The reason we can be very sure that Jesus hasn't come yet is that biblical prophecies are unfolding before our eyes. The things that Jesus predicted would happen are happening now, but there are still more things to come. So Jesus couldn't be here yet, according to the Bible. Plus it says when He comes every eye will see Him returning to the Earth the way He left it - Acts 1:9-12
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Meaculpa9r:
Your religion is disgusting. It all it does is scare and make threats towards others.
Mrgyn 3 years ago
Leaving aside the issue of comparative between the Bahai faith and the various forms of Christianity (richbee, get over it), let us call this video what it is:
a know-it-all atheist's knee-jerk reaction to a summary of the Bahai faith he read off of wikipedia. *yawn*
BigBadBucky 3 years ago
I was specifically asked to give my opinions about Bahai, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered. It seems a fairly harmless religion (if a bit silly) and I'd much rather spend my time smacking down young earth creationists who think the US should be a theocracy. The website I consulted was the official Bahai page, not wikipedia.
kalin666 3 years ago
Fair enough; I agree your time would be much better spent putting the creationism/intelligent design crowd in their place. I spend a certain amount of my time doing the same; though I do follow a particular religion (which one is unimportant), I certainly do not share their views. I agree that the BF is "harmless", and certainly less menacing than some other, more aggressive faiths out there. Luckily, both of our opinions are also pretty harmless. No big deal.
BigBadBucky 3 years ago
"Assurance to women of full equality of opportunity with men" Except, of course, when it comes to the Bahai leadership - then only those who are able to sprout a beard may apply. Which is only fitting, because what would a prophet be with out his beard?
In the Kitáb-i-Aqdas "the Most Holy Book™ Pat. Pend.", (holier than all other holy books) Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the religion states: "both the Head and the members of the House of Justice are men."
So much for "full equality".
fctchk 3 years ago
does not surprise me . . .
kalin666 3 years ago
The Bible is the word of God and, therefore, my Holy Book too. The Bible does not contain the word incarnation. It is using the Bible that one can tell a real Prophet from a false Prophet. Jesus said despise not prophesying but test all things. He also gave the test by which you can tell whether Baha'u'llah is a false Prophet or not. He said you will know them by their fruits.
grooooovy173 3 years ago
Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. 2 Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
copacetic5 3 years ago
Jesus is God's GLORY!
Jesus is "The Christ" (Greek) and "the Messiah" (Hebrew) both mean "the Anointed One" - Luke 2:11 see "Christ the LORD".
A light of revelation to the Gentiles, And the GLORY of Thy people Israel" - Luke 2:32 - quoting Isaiah 42:6
copacetic5 3 years ago
Matthew 24:30
"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
Jesus is God's GLORY!
copacetic5 3 years ago
Jesus is "The Christ" (Greek) and "the Messiah" (Hebrew) both mean "the Anointed One" - Luke 2:11 see "Christ the LORD".
Glory to Jesus in the highest! HOSANNA!
copacetic5 3 years ago
Jesus' name was not in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Baha'u'llah's, however, is in the old and new testament 40 times. One instance is Isaiah 35:1, which also talks about where He will go. Another instance is when Jesus said He would return in the "Glory of the Father." But don't forget that when Jesus comes he is to have a new name (Isa 62:2) (Rev 2:17) (Rev 3:12).
grooooovy173 3 years ago
False!
Jesus is the GLORY of God the FATHER!
Jesus claimed to be the only access to God, His Father (John 14:6--7). He claimed to be able to forgive sins (Matt. 9:2--7). He claimed to be the judge of all mankind and to dishonor Him was to dishonor God His Father (John 5:22--23). He claimed to have had glory with His Father before the world began (John 17:5).
A light of revelation to the Gentiles, And the GLORY of Thy people Israel" - Luke 2:32 - quoting Isaiah 42:6
copacetic5 3 years ago
See John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His GLORY, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
copacetic5 3 years ago
I found Baha'u'llah in the Bible!
Jesus warned us about false prophets like Baha'u'llah and you who claimed private visions and dreams that no one witnessed!?
See Matthew 24
copacetic5 3 years ago
Unlike the god - the allah of Islam, the God of the Bible reached out to us by sending his Son Jesus to earth to die for our sins. Muhammad like Baha'u'llah offered no sure hope for salvation, only guidelines for working oneself into Allah's favor. Christ provided all that is needed to get us to heaven in his death, 'For Christ also died once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that he might bring us to God' ( 1 Peter 3:18 ).
copacetic5 3 years ago
that whole "send his only son" thing is totally absurd. The only way that it's a large sacrifice for god is if he's tiny and powerless, as deities go anyway. That's not the all powerful Yahwei the Jew's were worshiping, that's more like tiny Yahwei in a bottle.
kalin666 3 years ago
Who are to question God's plan for salvation?
copacetic5 3 years ago
Hell I will! If it makes any sense it'll stand up to questioning. If it can't, more than likely it's a load of BS.
kalin666 3 years ago
So, LOL
Have a nice eternity?
copacetic5 3 years ago
I'll only be aware of the living part, after that my system shuts off and my body turns back into its basic components thru natural processes, but thanks anyway! At least the dust to dust part is right . . . .
kalin666 3 years ago
Christ is a superior prophet to Moses.
In Deuteronomy 18:15--19 , Moses predicted that God would raise up a Jewish Prophet with a special message. Anyone who did not believe this prophet would be judged by God. This passage has been traditionally interpreted as referring to Messiah. Genesis 3:15 is also understood by many to refer to Jesus as the seed of the woman who would crush the head of the serpent.
;-)
copacetic5 3 years ago
It sounds like you didn't find much wrong with this religion. It even sounded like you agreed on some level that "true" religion should never contradict "true" science. Your final comment didn't seem to flow with the rest of what you were saying. Would I be right in saying that of all the theistic religions you've heard of, this one sounds among the most reasonable?
grooooovy173 3 years ago
Muhammed was a false prophet from allah the god, and he did not know Jesus and in fact he owned no Bible in Arabic, because none existed. Muhammed never knew of God's saving grace, mercy and message of salvation through Jesus and this is a simple fact illustrating that he was not a "progressive revelation" as Baha'i teaches. Christian view of salvation is very different from Islam (See Romans 3:20) Christ pays the price that all deserve, dying as an innocent sacrifice for a guilty humanity.
copacetic5 3 years ago
All the Messengers of God promise salvation and all have sacrifice themselves for a guilty humanity. While He was imprisoned, Baha'u'llah wrote:
"The Ancient Beauty hath consented to be bound with chains that mankind may be released from its bondage, and hath accepted to be made a prisoner within this most mighty Stronghold that the whole world may attain unto true liberty.
grooooovy173 3 years ago
False!
Muhammad had no clue about his salvation or anyone else.
Baha'u'llah saved no one, inclusing himself.
LOL
copacetic5 3 years ago
No, I find the fundamentalist Jews the most reasonable. They have their old book and they're sticking to it, no changes, god got it right the first time!
Bahai seems like a desperate attempt to make the abrahamic god more reasonable when He's clearly not. He's a mighty and frightful bronze age deity and he should stay that way, don't change him over time, that only makes him angry and you know what he does when he's angry!
kalin666 3 years ago
Uh, wow can you repeat that. I was so distracted by your obsessive hair rubbing I didn't hear a word you said. Blah, blah, blah. LLLOL
AdriannOpal 3 years ago
Budhists regard Christ as another Buddha. They are not incorporating anything, but recognizing truth as they understand it and respecting the source they found it in. In this case, Christianity.
We translate words from one language to another everyday by computer. Are you saying truth cannot be translated from one time to another? From one culture to another? From one mind to another?
Asiablue 3 years ago
you are BRILLIANT!!!!! props to you. if you will, i hope to use your example to explain some points to people.
thanks. :)
keallei
Keallei 3 years ago
John 14:2
"...In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."
Asiablue 3 years ago
yeah, that's real clear . . . . none of the abrahamic religions make any sense, but Bahai is like a joke of a joke
kalin666 3 years ago
Actually, it is not clear at all, but rather a hint for further study. Jesus also said those who can see and hear will hear and see. Those who can't will not see or hear.
Asiablue 3 years ago
oh boy, do me a favor and lookup sarcasm, it should be under types of humor or comedy. I'm going to guess you score pretty high on an autism test. that's ok, nobody's perfect, we all excel at some things and find ourselves lacking in others.
kalin666 3 years ago
wow that was pretty rude, how do you live with yourself?
brilliant1990 3 years ago
it's pretty easy and quite liberating to be totally honest. I'd feel a lot worse if I was dishonestly nice. No smoke and mirrors here, this is how I really feel.
kalin666 3 years ago
Everyone is free to learn and read Acts 17 by which the living Christ crucified under Pontius Pilate and risen from the dead three days later can be known. The tomb is empty, and to this day, in Athens Greece, there is a street named: Dionysius in honor of his faith in Jesus the Christ, literally raised in the body from the dead.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
Anyone and everyone is invited to learn the truth in Acts 17:32 When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some of them sneered, but others said, "We want to hear you again on this subject." 33At that, Paul left the Council. 34 A few men became followers of Paul and believed. Among them was Dionysius, a member of the Areopagus, also a woman named Damaris, and a number of others.
meaculpa9r 3 years ago
This intuition about scientific discovery leaning toward the lack of a creator is very speculative. Unless we adopt literal interpretations of Holy scripture (not the Bahai way), there is no reason to assume that God operates like a human builder. It also seems habit to ignore the social sciences. Of course the physical sciences don't see any God evidence. He (it) is a spiritual being. Assuming his existence, only interaction with consciousness would be noticeable.
eniuquine 3 years ago
everytime i see a person who is challenged so much like this to see the truth i thank god that i wasn't that way and was able to recognize the manifestation for today; Baha'u'llah.
vladimiraa 3 years ago
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My thought on Bahaism is this: It's all kinda a waste of time, there already is a Christian religion! lol....
KaneCyber 3 years ago
yea. that's what people of the Jewish faith think of Christianity. see how the cycle goes? the former denies the latter and so on...
*sigh*
astrabella 3 years ago
wow .. u are so retarded man.
adeltoribio 3 years ago 2
fantastic argument, flawless logic, the epitome of critical thing, well done, you're the bright light of reason in an otherwise dim world
kalin666 3 years ago
As a Baha'i, I'm not the least bit offended by "Baha'i This." Kalin666 seems to be clever, intelligent and funny. People of faith cannot prove that God exists, we only have faith that God exists. Atheists always raise very good points and let's face it, what's the worst thing an atheist will do to a Baha'i- disagree with them.
BethMEC 3 years ago
I don't know, I'm thinking burning at the stake is sounding pretty good right about now . . . .
kalin666 3 years ago
ouch!
BethMEC 3 years ago
"No one is more concerned with God than the atheist" - Salman Rushdi
tread1955 3 years ago
man that's . . . way off. I think most atheists are concerned with the actions of people that claim to believe, and use their religion to justify their nasty behavior.
kalin666 3 years ago
Salman Rushdi IS an atheist
tread1955 3 years ago
Oh well then, I'll change my mind . . . That's ridiculous, I can't disagree with him?! He could be my brother, I'll still disagree him!
kalin666 3 years ago
abanden all forms of prejudice.....
except against gays and all LGBTQ peoples.
no so progressive if you ask me
lalacurious 3 years ago
dude.
You put more energy into finding differences than making similarities.
Science,the physical reality that we exist in can co-exist with religion. It has to. If it doesnt we're left with superstitious beleif.
No ones saying become religous!lol..hell no!
But if you investigate with a true open mind, I PROMISE you'll see what Im on about.
eg, The Koran told th world the world wasnt flat,that it rotated around the sun when everyone KNEW otherwise.
There are some gems out there mate!
kamyad 3 years ago
find that passage in the Koran. There is no reason why religion has to coexist with science if science trumps religion.
kalin666 3 years ago
What they are trying to say is that science and religion should coexist
bigaeaglesfan 3 years ago
that's like saying astronomers and astrologers should coexist, or medical doctors and witch doctors etc. They're mutually exclusive by definition.
kalin666 3 years ago
well going back on what you said that relgion and science cant exist, at times during human history science was a big part of religion. Especially during the times of Mohammad, Muslims came up with so many scientific discoveries. Yes, some scientific theories, contradict religion, but that doesn't mean they cannot coexist.
bigaeaglesfan 3 years ago
any inconsistency or contradiction shows they cannot. If any religion were true, it would be perfect. any religion with a single claim that turns out to be false is totally false. there is not a single religion on the planet that can claim that, not a one. and a religion shouldn't be developed over time, it should be divinely brought about, perfect from creation, totally true. there has been and will not be a religion that is totally true, because there is nothing to be religious about.
kalin666 3 years ago
see the way you see religion, you think that religion from the start should be perfect, but that is if the religion is created by a divine being, but all religions are created by humans, their laws, their traditions all different, depending on one's interpretation, all humans are inclined to mistakes.
bigaeaglesfan 3 years ago
then we agree, religion is man-made
kalin666 3 years ago
in a sense yes, but it is man-made, in order to warship god, but just because it is man made doesnt disprove God
bigaeaglesfan 3 years ago
Well that's the point, no one should have to disprove anything. It's up to those with the positive claim to convince the rest of us with their data.
kalin666 3 years ago
See thats not true you shouldnt have to be convinced into believeing in God, thats why you have free will, religion is a man made entity, that was created in order to warship God. See God isnt some person, or a designer who watches people everyday from his thrown in heaven, you cant see him or hear him. God is like the sun in which you know its there but if you look at him your eyes cannot handle him.
bigaeaglesfan 3 years ago
I am referring to God as some sort of being, because hes not, God is time, there is nothing that can describe him.
bigaeaglesfan 3 years ago
You are obviously an intelligent guy and have taken the time to create this..so how is it...you cover some of the main points of the faith, agree with the majority of the principles and then conclude that its crap?
Universal education, elimination of prejudice, equality of sexes, etc...
Youre either bored and looking to rebel or just looking for attention.
Either way bro...at least dislike something for an educated reason. Not because "Its Crap" is the easy way out.
kamyad 3 years ago
Yes, I can clearly agree with some points of the faith, but if I disagree with one point then I disagree with the whole religion as being false. A religion can't be "mostly true". A true religion would have everything down 100%, no errors, whatever supernatural being inspired the faith would be powerful enough to insist they get it right.
kalin666 3 years ago
You are so ignorant.. May allah have mercy on your soul. What you speak is hurting your spirit in the afterlife. May Baha`u`allahs tears for your spirit be a blessing to your eternal blindness and deafness I am a believer in ALL RELGIONS. I AM A BAHAI.
AcidoNZ 3 years ago
So Kalin, why do you need to be so obnoxious about other people's religion? Do you really need to say "I think it's a bunch of crap", especially if you're obviously just reading the first thing about it on-screen? I am not a particularly religious person myself, but I generally refrain from attacking others' religion. It's probably a good thing to point out when a religion is intolerant and tramples on human rights, but this kind of fortuitous "sounds like a buch of crap", what good does it do?
rapsactinsel 3 years ago 3
Quite frankly I don't care what good it does. I'm only interested in if it's true or not. If it's not true, then it does not deserve any respect, period.
kalin666 3 years ago
And how do you know if it's true or not? You get that from reading a couple of lines off a screen? Are you omniscient yourself?
rapsactinsel 3 years ago 3
Bahai is based on a line of abrahamic religions, the oldest of which being judaism, the religion of my family. The claims in the Torah, the text supposedly dictated by GOD himself, is so blatantly absurd as to be considered just another man-made mythological account that seemed sensical during the bronze age. Hopefully now at least some of us know better than to take an ancient text like that at face value and hold to it's truthfulness.
kalin666 3 years ago
So Kalin, you should really bone up a bit on the facts as well. Bahai - and I am not a Bahai, nor do I seek to defend Bahai'ism - is NOT BASED ON or descended from "a line of Abrahamic religions." Bahai recognizes the Buddha, Zoroaster and Krishna alongside Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and, yes, Abraham as prophets who basically said similar things. (cont)
rapsactinsel 3 years ago
"Bahai recognizes the Buddha, Zoroaster and Krishna alongside Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and, yes, Abraham as prophets who basically said similar things" This is the problem, they did not say similar things. Even if they have a few things in common, many of the practices of the religions based on these people are profoundly different. If Bahai's faith is true, they should be nearly identical, Yahwei being perfect and all should get it right the first time.
kalin666 3 years ago
BTW, I really don't see why you need to bring the Torah into this - if you have a rebellion problem with your family's religion why do you need to post all kinds of insulting comments on other religions as well? Interesting by the way that you should capitalize the word "GOD", ever thought about why you did this? Godspeed to you.
rapsactinsel 3 years ago
I did that to be clear about which god i was talking about, there have been many. I should've said yahwei, that would've cleared up any confusion.
kalin666 3 years ago
And who do you think you are to be the judge on that? I mean not just the Baha'i Faith but any other religion.
JahnayLuvsYa 3 years ago
just your everyday idiot, you know, a human being with a brain that works well enough for me to get by
kalin666 3 years ago
LOL,you know what, I agree on that. An idiot who can only judge on what they can only see.
JahnayLuvsYa 3 years ago